Who’s going to “On with the Faux?”

[secondhandchain]

A yes
B no
C not sure

[louielouie2000]

My initial reaction was to boycott this charade... however, an intriguing set list and reasonable ticket prices could sway me.

[TrueFaith77]

I said yes but should have cited not sure. It depends on ticket price. I am strongly team Lindsey but I’ve signed on for the soap opera and this is a new installment.

That said I will see as many Linsey shows as I can get front row tix.

[rhiannondontgo]

I’ll be at every show in the tri-state area like I’ve done for all the other recent tours. I’ll definitely miss LB. Interacting with him every night was the highlight of OWTS for me. But with that being said, i’m only in my 20’s so I definitely recognize how incredibly lucky I am just to have the opportunity to go see my favorite band in concert all the time when I was born so long after their prime. So many performers from that era are retired, sick, or dead and their young fans will never have the chance to see their heroes. It’s a blessing that my band is still here at all and i’d never allow myself to become so spoiled and jaded that I’d pass up on seeing any one of them as many times as I can. They won’t be here forever so i’ll keep seeing them, in any incarnation, whenever possible.

[KenshiMaster16]

Nah, I'm calling it a day on this band, for now. I'll appreciate the music, the times I've seen them live and all the joy they've given me and will keep giving me through the music and the memories but as far as the future (if there even is one) with this new incarnation? Yeah, pass. It's either the five fireflies or nothing for me I'm afraid. To quote Landslide, "I'm getting older too" and old enough to know I'm tired of the 'we're so dysfunctional' shtick. As far as I'm concerned, "On With the Show Tour" was the Farewell Tour.

[SteveMacD]

John McVie, Christine McVie, Mike Campbell, and Neil Finn would be worth it, regardless of what the band is called.

[button-lip]

It's not worth doing a trip to the US just for a bunch of traitors. :mad:

I'll be there for Lindsey's tour though. :woohoo:

[HomerMcvie]

It's not worth doing a trip to the US just for a bunch of traitors. :mad:

I'll be there for Lindsey's tour though. :woohoo:

Did I ever tell you that you're one of my very favorite Ledgies?:xoxo:

[button-lip]

Did I ever tell you that you're one of my very favorite Ledgies?:xoxo:

And you're mine too! :xoxo::xoxo: Awww, look at us! :D:D

Sure, count me in. I'll be there for Lindsey. He's awesome with fans. He has a good heart and he deserves so much better than this bunch of traitors.

I hope his heart heals and he goes back on stage for all of us. ;)

[HomerMcvie]

And you're mine too! :xoxo::xoxo: Awww, look at us! :D:D

Sure, count me in. I'll be there for Lindsey. He's awesome with fans. He has a good heart and he deserves so much better than this bunch of traitors.

I hope his heart heals and he goes back on stage for all of us. ;)
While I've always been more of a FM/Christine fan, Lindsey is the ONLY one who will be getting any money and support from me, from here on out.

A bunch of traitors, indeed. F*ck em.

[Buster]

HELL NO.

I don’t reward shameful behavior.

[Neal]

My initial reaction was to boycott this charade... however, an intriguing set list and reasonable ticket prices could sway me.

Ditto; It's going to come down to $$$ for me.

Mick & Stevie should understand. ;)

[secondhandchain]

Why is anyone even considering rewarding this childish cash grabbing behavior????

[iamnotafraid]

Why is anyone even considering rewarding this childish cash grabbing behavior????

Because they're so old that people think
they're going to croak.

_________________________________

I'm not going to anymore of their shows.
But that I'd decided long ago.

If I were to go it would be to see Lindsey
solo. They won't be able to replace his
talent or energy.

[button-lip]

Why is anyone even considering rewarding this childish cash grabbing behavior????

Because Stevie didn't do it!!!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

She's powerful but not powerful enough to fire Lindsey. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

Ditto; It's going to come down to $$$ for me.

Mick & Stevie should understand. ;)

HAHAHAHA!!! That was brilliant. and it's spelled $tevie.

[lilyfee]

I'll probably go but I won't spend as much on tickets as I was planning to, and I probably won't encourage other people to go with me. I had a few friends that I was excited to bring, but I don't want their first experience of Fleetwood Mac live to be without its frontman.:shrug:

[Dr.Brown]

HAHAHAHA!!! That was brilliant. and it's spelled $tevie.

It's also spelled Mi¢k and neither one can expect any more $ and ¢ from me.:distress:

[elle]

HELL NO.

I don’t reward shameful behavior.

that's the crux of it. thank you!

[WelshWitchPMD]

I will never support anything to do with Mick. A big NO from me. The chain has been broken and can't be repaired at this point.
Bring on the Lindsey dates! #IstandwithLindsey

[jcfree]

Been a fan since 1975, have followed the band through all the ups and downs of their saga. I will follow them to the end of the road. Looking forward to hearing the new incarnation with the two new members. I also look forward to Lindsey's new solo music as well. Loved the Buck/Vie album and hope there is more to come from those two. I only wish the best for all of them, that they are still performing at this stage in their life is a rare fete. My two sons were raised on FM and they love their music and when we are together you can bet FM is playing!

[BombaySapphire3]

No ..but I will see Lindsey again if I have the chance. I still can't get my head around that not only was he fired but that he also apparently agreed to waive his solo dates and they still would not rescind his termination.Treacherous bunch of geezers and hags.

[button-lip]

No ..but I will see Lindsey again if I have the chance. I still can't get my head around that not only was he fired but that he also apparently agreed to waive his solo dates and they still would not rescind his termination.Treacherous bunch of geezers and hags.

Decision was already made and it has nothing to do with his solo tour. If not he’d have been given another chance.

[TrueFaith77]

Decision was already made and it has nothing to do with his solo tour. If not he’d have been given another chance.

What is it about then? Confused 🤷*♂️ 🤷*♀️

And still stressed

[button-lip]

What is it about then? Confused 🤷*♂️ 🤷*♀️

And still stressed

I wish I knew! Someone asked on another thread the same question. I think it was Nancy. If he was already giving up on his solo tour (one more time) for FM, why fire him?
I think that that “something else happened here” everybody is taking about is just Stevie wanting to get rid of Lindsey. But she needed Mick. So she has been sweet talking him into it probably since The Classics last year.

[HomerMcvie]

I wish I knew! Someone asked on another thread the same question. I think it was Nancy. If he was already giving up on his solo tour (one more time) for FM, why fire him?
I think that that “something else happened here” everybody is taking about is just Stevie wanting to get rid of Lindsey. But she needed Mick. So she has been sweet talking him into it probably since The Classics last year.

That "package deal" in 1975 turned out to be cancerous.

[SorcererJP]

Yes, I'll go .. if/when they will perform in Europe ... I became a fan thru the Tango-concertvideo, so for a long time FM to me was Billy/Rick/Stevie/Chris/John & Mick. Lindsey was someone from the past ... the Time-lineup, was something completely different. But hey ... it was FM. The Dance didn't brought them to Europe and I saw 3 tours without Christine ... so what's the difference now when Lindsey is not around (anymore) this time ... it's part of their 'being Fleetwood Mac'. So I will attend ...

Look at the bright side: If all of you who are angry and blame Stevie for it now stay it home ... the chances that they'll play smaller, intimate venues will grow ... no younger girls that all be put upfront before Lindsey's spot (I was there 5 times as a somewhat grey, lightly overweight 40-somehing dude) etc etc

[StreetAngel86]

no thanks
p!ss off.
this band is disgusting and it ain't getting any more of my money until they fix this.

[TrueFaith77]

Lindsey was the only one of them to have retained any semblance of his live singing voice. I don’t really want to go see Crowded House dominate Little Lies and Don’t Stop. Sad 😢 just endlessly heartbreaking.

[jbrownsjr]

no thanks
p!ss off.
this band is disgusting and it ain't getting any more of my money until they fix this.

Disgusting is really a good description of how I think of Mick And $tevie as people. They are both disgusting, disloyal and self centered human beings.

[sue]

Disgusting is really a good description of how I think of Mick And $tevie as people. They are both disgusting, disloyal and self centered human beings.


Revenge is a dish best served cold...........comes to mind.

[button-lip]

Revenge is a dish best served cold...........comes to mind.

Revenge is nice but it doesn't make what they did to him and his family go away. :distress:

[jbrownsjr]

Revenge is a dish best served cold...........comes to mind.

You know Sue... It sure does..

But some day $he'll regret that $he did this. Of course not now.. but the day will come when $he realizes that her actions were out of jealousy and her contempt for LB. To take a major role in getting rid of him because you don't agree with his avenue for art, that's so pathetic and disgraceful. Can you imagine doing that to anybody?

$he laid in bed with Mick many times, one more time just might hurt her.

As I said, she'll wake up one day and realize she did a horrible thing to a man that is by no means perfect. But, he sure did put his heart and soul into Fleetwood Mac and $tevie NIck$'s raw material. And stage wise, he really made their live set unreal. The guilt $he will feel later on is going to be heavy. If $he even feels anymore.

[jools]

I have been reading the forums with great interest.

This post will probably not go down well.

I am sick to death with Stevie & Lindsey.

At the end of the day he has been fired.Whatever the reasons, the right or wrongs of this decision.

You may agree with it or not.

FM were alive before SN & LB

They will remain active with another line up
How many will that be- They have had numerous members

It would be interesting to see what forum members thought when LB & SN joined.

Was it the end of the world then ?

As far as i am concerned, The chain has been broken many times and have always been re-chained together

Long live Fleetwood Mac

[MaryLiz2]

I have been reading the forums with great interest.

This post will probably not go down well.

I am sick to death with Stevie & Lindsey.

At the end of the day he has been fired.Whatever the reasons, the right or wrongs of this decision.

You may agree with it or not.


Long live Fleetwood Mac

For what it's worth, I think I agree with you? I was at least sick to death of the fake interactions between Stevie and Lindsey. Reading interviews and looking at body language, I thought it was pretty obvious that they really did not care to be around each other, so I got eye strain from all the eye-rolling when they'd do the hug-y stuff during performances. It was just kind of...uncomfortable. So part of me was almost relieved with the recent development, because I didn't really care to watch them go through the motions again on another tour. I'm curious about what the new guys will bring to the tour, presumably without the underlying feeling of tension that would likely underscore the whole show if the Rumours 5 were all touring together.

[jwd]

For what it's worth, I think I agree with you? I was at least sick to death of the fake interactions between Stevie and Lindsey. Reading interviews and looking at body language, I thought it was pretty obvious that they really did not care to be around each other, so I got eye strain from all the eye-rolling when they'd do the hug-y stuff during performances. It was just kind of...uncomfortable. So part of me was almost relieved with the recent development, because I didn't really care to watch them go through the motions again on another tour. I'm curious about what the new guys will bring to the tour, presumably without the underlying feeling of tension that would likely underscore the whole show if the Rumours 5 were all touring together.

For what it's worth, I think I agree with both of you. :laugh: I was actually going to agree with the original poster, but you beat me to the punch. Anyway, well said...maybe that's what I was waiting for....someone to type it out for me. :laugh:

[button-lip]

For what it's worth, I think I agree with you? I was at least sick to death of the fake interactions between Stevie and Lindsey. Reading interviews and looking at body language, I thought it was pretty obvious that they really did not care to be around each other, so I got eye strain from all the eye-rolling when they'd do the hug-y stuff during performances. It was just kind of...uncomfortable. So part of me was almost relieved with the recent development, because I didn't really care to watch them go through the motions again on another tour. I'm curious about what the new guys will bring to the tour, presumably without the underlying feeling of tension that would likely underscore the whole show if the Rumours 5 were all touring together.

Yeah, but the thing is he was fired, not her. And he was fired because of her. They should have both been fired, but that's never gonna happen. So as it is now, it's unfair.

[jwd]

Yeah, but the thing is he was fired, not her. And he was fired because of her. They should have both been fired, but that's never gonna happen. So as it is now, it's unfair.

Mick would never allow that. Otherwise he'd be playing in a pseudo blues band somewhere, most likely Fleetwood's on Front St.

[iamnotafraid]

They will remain active with another line up
How many will that be- They have had numerous members




Just like The Platters.

[sodascouts]

If I did go, I would be ashamed to admit it and feel guilty if I enjoyed it.

They have sucked all the joy out of it.

[MaryLiz2]

Mick would never allow that. Otherwise he'd be playing in a pseudo blues band somewhere, most likely Fleetwood's on Front St.

Exactly. While I still believe it's speculation that Lindsey was fired because of Stevie's wishes. There are four people still left in the band, and after putting up with the awkward dynamic between themselves for the better part of four decades to think that three of the four remaining members bowed to the whims of just one is a stretch for me. Regadless, I don't know why firing both would be necessary or that when it comes to the business decisions of five aging millionaires the reasoning needs to be "fair."

Even it it was all Stevie being "it's him or me," why would the rest of the band be "Forget it, it's both of you"? Regardless of anyone on this board's personal feelings on the matter, Stevie has been and remains the biggest draw for the band among the general concert-going public. If it all comes down to money, the band isn't going to toss the biggest contributor to the bottom line. Beyond the financial aspect, there's no denying that Mick gets along with Stevie better on a personal level. Whatever posters here may think of Stevie and her diva-ness, evidence suggests that within the context of the band Lindsey has historically been the outsider. I mean, she and Mick are always showing up at things together and John has said any number of things over the years suggesting he gets along well and easily with her. Even allowing for Christine's opinion to be neutral on who she prefers to spend her remaining years on the road with, Stevie is edging Lindsey in an intra-band popularity contest.

Honestly, I'm only surprised it took this long for someone to get fired from this petty, mixed-up band. And while I'm inclined to think the problem may have started with a touring disagreement that escalated into a clash of personalities that couldn't stand to be together any longer...I really am not at all surprised that if one person is out, that person is Lindsey.

From both a financial and a personal aspect, if one was going to be out...it seems like Lindsey was always going to be that one.

[NotonRodeo]

Easy decision for me, since they're coming nowhere near where I now live I won't be able to go anyway :laugh: I did get to see the Vito/Burnette version of FMac in Houston, and let's just say it wasn't the most memorable moment in my life and put me off watching any more concerts :D All I remember is Chris doing Brown Eyes. Then again, during the Unleashed (?) tour the Mac were in Vancouver and I could have attended but didn't. For me it's the Rumours 5, otherwise I won't bother to pay up even if they did come.

[BLY]

My brother and I are huge Crowded House/ Finn fans. That's what makes this even more strange to me. My bro tells me we will see this show together when they come to the Philly/ DC area. If I go I'm sure i will enjoy but .......... I'm so glad I saw the Buck/McVie show and got that "Fleetwood Mac" album last year.😎

[FuzzyPlum]

Exactly. While I still believe it's speculation that Lindsey was fired because of Stevie's wishes. There are four people still left in the band, and after putting up with the awkward dynamic between themselves for the better part of four decades to think that three of the four remaining members bowed to the whims of just one is a stretch for me. Regadless, I don't know why firing both would be necessary or that when it comes to the business decisions of five aging millionaires the reasoning needs to be "fair."

Even it it was all Stevie being "it's him or me," why would the rest of the band be "Forget it, it's both of you"? Regardless of anyone on this board's personal feelings on the matter, Stevie has been and remains the biggest draw for the band among the general concert-going public. If it all comes down to money, the band isn't going to toss the biggest contributor to the bottom line. Beyond the financial aspect, there's no denying that Mick gets along with Stevie better on a personal level. Whatever posters here may think of Stevie and her diva-ness, evidence suggests that within the context of the band Lindsey has historically been the outsider. I mean, she and Mick are always showing up at things together and John has said any number of things over the years suggesting he gets along well and easily with her. Even allowing for Christine's opinion to be neutral on who she prefers to spend her remaining years on the road with, Stevie is edging Lindsey in an intra-band popularity contest.

Honestly, I'm only surprised it took this long for someone to get fired from this petty, mixed-up band. And while I'm inclined to think the problem may have started with a touring disagreement that escalated into a clash of personalities that couldn't stand to be together any longer...I really am not at all surprised that if one person is out, that person is Lindsey.

From both a financial and a personal aspect, if one was going to be out...it seems like Lindsey was always going to be that one.



The thing is, if they'd given Stevie the boot several years ago they could have been a proper band now. They could have created and released a couple of albums and could have been a proper album/tour/album/tour band. They could have even replaced Stevie with a notable female vocalist. Instead, we get no new 'official' Fleetwood Mac music and we are likely to get a lame tour which seems destined to be the last. Stevie does her couple of years on, three years off thing so after this tour its likely she'll have no further interest in FM for another few years which in all likelihood will be the end anyway. I bet if they'd given Stevie the boot a couple of years ago Lindsey would have been fully committed to the band now. Overall Mick would have probably been better off as he'd be more assured of a steady job/income.

[mitzo]

I predict a new FM album with the new lineup after the tour.

[TrueFaith77]

I predict a new FM album with the new lineup after the tour.

I agree. The temptation to rub THAT in Lindsey’s face will be just too great.

[NotonRodeo]

I agree. The temptation to rub THAT in Lindsey’s face will be just too great.

Then Lindsey will have the last laugh when he realizes he is listening to Time II :D They can put that penguin on FB on the cover.

[elle]

Yeah, but the thing is he was fired, not her. And he was fired because of her. They should have both been fired, but that's never gonna happen. So as it is now, it's unfair.

so true. :nod:

[elle]

Even it it was all Stevie being "it's him or me," why would the rest of the band be "Forget it, it's both of you"? .

we are just following your argument. that's the logical conclusion - if their dynamic, airing of which brought them all that huge success in the first place, has become too disruptive for any semblance of a work dynamic in the band, then firing both would make sense.

that's what you are arguing for, but then you somehow conclude that firing Lindsey is good enough. :shrug:

[BLY]

I predict a new FM album with the new lineup after the tour.


Not going to happen.

[elle]

Not going to happen.I agree. The temptation to rub THAT in Lindsey’s face will be just too great.

i think TrueFaith is so right! if they can they'll try to make it happen.

[Ench]

I predict a new FM album with the new lineup after the tour.

Unlike others (not mitzo), I don't think that FM is behaving like a two year old and doing things just out of spite.

However, in both Mike Campbell and Neil Finn, they have taken on people who could play a major songwriting role in a new album. Campbell has written quite a number of songs with Stevie, and Finn has a very good reputation as a songwriter. Then there's Christine of course.

Dave Stewart might be a good fit in the producer's chair.

If they did want to record another album, then they're much better set for that, in my opinion, than they were in 1987-1990.

[elle]

Unlike others (not mitzo), I don't think that FM is behaving like a two year old and doing things just out of spite.

However, in both Mike Campbell and Neil Finn, they have taken on people who could play a major songwriting role in a new album. Campbell has written quite a number of songs with Stevie, and Finn has a very good reputation as a songwriter. Then there's Christine of course.

Dave Stewart might be a good fit in the producer's chair.

If they did want to record another album, then they're much better set for that, in my opinion, than they were in 1987-1990.

:lol: that's exactly all correct what you are saying. it all fits. and it also fits nicely in sticking it to LB while having all long-time SN collaborators run the show.

they are behaving like 2 year olds. they always did. that's been the allure of this band.

[TrueFaith77]

Ok, if they play Woman of a 1000 Years, I’ll go.

[sodascouts]

Unlike others (not mitzo), I don't think that FM is behaving like a two year old and doing things just out of spite.

However, in both Mike Campbell and Neil Finn, they have taken on people who could play a major songwriting role in a new album. Campbell has written quite a number of songs with Stevie, and Finn has a very good reputation as a songwriter. Then there's Christine of course.

Dave Stewart might be a good fit in the producer's chair.

If they did want to record another album, then they're much better set for that, in my opinion, than they were in 1987-1990.

Telling Mike Campbell he'd have an opportunity to write songs for a Fleetwood Mac album and that he wasn't just being asked to be a glorified touring musician would have made the gig far more enticing to him.

If all the music was written for her by Campbell and she could just overlay her poems about her mother's death and her feelings about Tom etc., plus some old demos to fill it out, I could see Stevie wanting to do it, knowing how it would hurt Lindsey.

[button-lip]

Exactly. While I still believe it's speculation that Lindsey was fired because of Stevie's wishes. There are four people still left in the band, and after putting up with the awkward dynamic between themselves for the better part of four decades to think that three of the four remaining members bowed to the whims of just one is a stretch for me. Regadless, I don't know why firing both would be necessary or that when it comes to the business decisions of five aging millionaires the reasoning needs to be "fair."

Even it it was all Stevie being "it's him or me," why would the rest of the band be "Forget it, it's both of you"? Regardless of anyone on this board's personal feelings on the matter, Stevie has been and remains the biggest draw for the band among the general concert-going public. If it all comes down to money, the band isn't going to toss the biggest contributor to the bottom line. Beyond the financial aspect, there's no denying that Mick gets along with Stevie better on a personal level. Whatever posters here may think of Stevie and her diva-ness, evidence suggests that within the context of the band Lindsey has historically been the outsider. I mean, she and Mick are always showing up at things together and John has said any number of things over the years suggesting he gets along well and easily with her. Even allowing for Christine's opinion to be neutral on who she prefers to spend her remaining years on the road with, Stevie is edging Lindsey in an intra-band popularity contest.

Honestly, I'm only surprised it took this long for someone to get fired from this petty, mixed-up band. And while I'm inclined to think the problem may have started with a touring disagreement that escalated into a clash of personalities that couldn't stand to be together any longer...I really am not at all surprised that if one person is out, that person is Lindsey.

From both a financial and a personal aspect, if one was going to be out...it seems like Lindsey was always going to be that one.

Hmmm, I guess you need a valid reason to fire someone. A fair reason. If not, then yes, they're all bowing to the whims of one band member.

So, Lindsey was fired because he's an outsider and Stevie is more popular? After 43 years that's a valid reason to fire someone? :laugh:

Yes, please, Lindey, go away. You're socially awkward and financially useless.

[StevieandChris]

I’m there. I was sad/disappointed the day I heard the news but now dealing with real life issues like my mother passing away, and it has put things in perspective. I really think all 5 of the members act like babies and have for years, but life goes on. Karma is a bitch and I have little sympathy for Lindsey. Though I am amused / confused because weren’t so many people here already going to boycott the next tour anyway because it was going to be another cash grab?:rolleyes:

[elle]

Though I am amused / confused because weren’t so many people here already going to boycott the next tour anyway because it was going to be another cash grab?:rolleyes:

yup. i for one said that. (i also said it before the On With the Show tour, and i ended up seeing 7 shows :lol:)

but, from the first moment i heard of the possibility of the concurrent LB solo tour, i had no reason to go see FM anymore (unless he would do like all his Tusk songs with FM or something fantastic like that!). i was just gonna go see DC show and then follow his solo tour.

now of course, i have no reason whatsoever to go see the Mac tour. i love Chris, but not that much. she should have walked when Lindsey was fired.

[StevieandChris]

yup. i for one said that. (i also said it before the On With the Show tour, and i ended up seeing 7 shows :lol:)

but, from the first moment i heard of the possibility of the concurrent LB solo tour, i had no reason to go see FM anymore (unless he would do like all his Tusk songs with FM or something fantastic like that!). i was just gonna go see DC show and then follow his solo tour.

now of course, i have no reason whatsoever to go see the Mac tour. i love Chris, but not that much. she should have walked when Lindsey was fired.

Christine must believe it was the right decision, like the other remaining members. Only they truly know what went down. We just know the end result.

[FuzzyPlum]

Telling Mike Campbell he'd have an opportunity to write songs for a Fleetwood Mac album and that he wasn't just being asked to be a glorified touring musician would have made the gig far more enticing to him.

If all the music was written for her by Campbell and she could just overlay her poems about her mother's death and her feelings about Tom etc., plus some old demos to fill it out, I could see Stevie wanting to do it, knowing how it would hurt Lindsey.


On reflection I can see an album coming out at some point. The big plus for this lineup is the songwriting. There are now 4 renowned songwriters in the band. It has generally been Lindsey who has elongated the recording process so knowing Stevie did a quick rush-job on her last album I wonder if they'll be tempted to rush-through some sort of release?
btw, I believe the producer for Crowded House is....Mitchell Froom.

[Storms123]

Not going to happen.

I agree--- I don't see anything new coming out of them. I am however, very much looking forward to Lindsey's new stuff.

[StevieandChris]

I agree with those who think there will be a new album. Lindsey was the reason she did not want to record, no matter what she said publicly, and now that the problem has been eliminated, from the band’s perspective, why not record?

[elle]

I agree with those who think there will be a new album. Lindsey was the reason she did not want to record, no matter what she said publicly, and now that the problem has been eliminated, from the band’s perspective, why not record?

exactly. and while she didn't want to co-write with Lindsey, her writer's block is not a problem when Mike Campbell is around because he wrote music for her songs all the way from the kickoff of her solo career through her latest solo output.

[elle]

Christine must believe it was the right decision, like the other remaining members. Only they truly know what went down. We just know the end result.

or there is a huge corporate pressure behind all of this, if that theory is true, and she just took the easiest path.

[button-lip]

Christine must believe it was the right decision, like the other remaining members. Only they truly know what went down. We just know the end result.

In Chris and John’s cases there’s loyalty involved. To Mick, of course, not to Stevie. Christine just came back after 16 years (I remember the number of years because Stevie couldn’t pass the opportunity of saying it at every concert). She just can’t go away again so soon.

[MaryLiz2]

we are just following your argument. that's the logical conclusion - if their dynamic, airing of which brought them all that huge success in the first place, has become too disruptive for any semblance of a work dynamic in the band, then firing both would make sense.

that's what you are arguing for, but then you somehow conclude that firing Lindsey is good enough. :shrug:

That's not following my argument to its logical conclusion though. If the problem was that Stevie and Lindsey can't get along and no longer wish to try and that their lack of getting along makes touring miserable for all five of them, you don't need to get rid of both to solve the problem.

Remove one and harmony returns. My natural conclusion is that if you're going to remove one...it's not going to be Stevie Nicks.

[MaryLiz2]

I’m there. I was sad/disappointed the day I heard the news but now dealing with real life issues like my mother passing away, and it has put things in perspective. I really think all 5 of the members act like babies and have for years, but life goes on. Karma is a bitch and I have little sympathy for Lindsey. Though I am amused / confused because weren’t so many people here already going to boycott the next tour anyway because it was going to be another cash grab?:rolleyes:

First, I'm sorry about your mom.

As for the rest of your post, I agree.

As for the last line, not I! I have no shame about planning to stand out front, wads of cash in hand begging them to TAKE MY MONEY! The passings of Glen Frey and Tom Petty have brought home how time is short, and I'm ready to appreciate seeing my favorites in person at least one more time if I can.

[sue]

That's not following my argument to its logical conclusion though. If the problem was that Stevie and Lindsey can't get along and no longer wish to try and that their lack of getting along makes touring miserable for all five of them, you don't need to get rid of both to solve the problem.

Remove one and harmony returns. My natural conclusion is that if you're going to remove one...it's not going to be Stevie Nicks.

Liking your logic, here.....

[StevieandChris]

In Chris and John’s cases there’s loyalty involved. To Mick, of course, not to Stevie. Christine just came back after 16 years (I remember the number of years because Stevie couldn’t pass the opportunity of saying it at every concert). She just can’t go away again so soon.

Loyalty to Mick, true, but she may also have agreed that L. deserved to get the boot. We don’t know for sure what went down until we hear directly from one of these five.

[mylittledemon]

Ever since the death of my mom in 2016 I have felt like I wandered into an alternate reality/timeline that was never meant to happen. This turn of events furthers that belief for me.

Sigh. And if I can help it (and I can)... then I choose not to throw any more of my money at this band.

[Hawkeye]

Telling Mike Campbell he'd have an opportunity to write songs for a Fleetwood Mac album and that he wasn't just being asked to be a glorified touring musician would have made the gig far more enticing to him.

If all the music was written for her by Campbell and she could just overlay her poems about her mother's death and her feelings about Tom etc., plus some old demos to fill it out, I could see Stevie wanting to do it, knowing how it would hurt Lindsey.



Your post right there sums up the very best outcome of this whole situation. This is the purest form of the saying “the Ends Justify the Means” to me. Lindsey released his music solo which makes Sense, since he likes total control over every aspect of his songs. Stevie and the rest of the band love the band atmosphere. Stevie already cowrites frequently with MC. Hell, MC may have more Gleetwood Mac writing credits on Fleetwood Mac albums then multiple past members! IF she were to record with Fleetwood Mac again it would be in this line up. And it would happen quickly.

IF that happened that would be such an unbelievable blessing of New Fleetwood Mac music while most members are in their 70s despite the false narrative around here that “we just never get new music from this band, way way way woah is us!” “But the BuckVie album doesn’t count since it doesnt say Fleetwood Mac on the cover :laugh: That is the craziest logic I’ve ever heard of!

2011, new stevie album and New Lindsey album

2014, new stevie album

2014/15 the impossible as we were previously told happened and the whole world was given another chance to see the rumors 5 tour in pretty danmed great performances. *

2017, new Fleetwood Mac**

2018 new Lindsey album

2019 new line up of Fleetwood Mac album***

* I know that’s not new music or wasn’t even a great set, but for that tour I’d forgive them since again I’m shocked how quickly we all just take for granted and act so ungrateful that Christine mcvie overcame her phobias and came back to the band as the oldest member of an already old band. THIS was the farewell tour for the rumors 5. It wasn’t called that, but they covered enough ground to basically give anyone who ever wanted to see “that” Fleetwood Mac a chance and if they didn’t then , oh well, there’s plenty of great quality old footage of them for the few thousand new fans they’ve gotten since then. For the much larger majority whom have seen this version of the band MANY times before and show that much to please most of the people on this bird . so now they are forced to change things drastically right down to how they stand. Maybe it was for all the wrong reasons and maybe the most “moral” decision wasn’t made as to who left the band but honestly I think Lindsey is the one I’d rather see on his own. He’s more focused. He WILL release a solo album. Stevie would say how she wants to make an album and write a Rhiannon movie and small theatre tour but get distracted wiTh an offer to join a Tom Petty tribute tour with Dave grohl or something similar. (And I would be at that show and love the **** out of it, and also going to see a Lindsey/Christine Fleetwood Mac) but I prefer it the way we got it. Either way we get Double Product as opposed to just Fleetwood Mac! And anyone who thinks that there’s some kind of “magic” still between those exact 5 people your crazy. All parties have been proven over and over again to perform better away from the fireflies especially this century!

**i don’t care what it was called, we’ve already gotten this last great Fleetwood Mac album with that classic Fleetwood Mac sound, the follow up to tango or say you will depending on your barometer of what’s Fleetwood Mac. This 10 song album was a cohevise masterpiece, and while I may not agree with her logic to not participate her involvement couldn’t have made this album any better. So my point is A) the stevie/mick anger is a bit overblown, if the title is your big ham up then you’ve got serious problems. And B) any “anger” directed at Christine is to me outright blasphemous, considering we have carnival begin, too far gone,feel about you, and red sun to listen to forever when we previously thought she wasn’t going to leave her garden again. But Fu** her for not defending Lindsey blindly in a situation we know nothing about yet.

***this last star wouldn’t need explaining as a positive just a few years ago when the board had more adult minded fans who understood and appreciated the whole history of the band and didn’t live in this social media fantasy land world where everyone is so emotional and on this “poor Lindsey, Lindsey WAS Fleetwood Mac! With no one speaking up against that crazy talk! Lindsey was great but this notion that if the band records an album without Lindsey then it would automatically be less “real” or even sorry to say “potentially” better then the album would be with Lindsey. I know people like SteveMacD see that potential. Some are comparing it to when Lindsey left before as a repeat of something terrible. Well the album made tight Billy in my opinion is better then the previous 2 albums with him. In addition if a repeat of behind the mask means neil will write a song as good as In the Back of My Mind, mixed with Stevie Turing our better material then The Second Time were guaranteed an amazing album.

I realize some might find that offensive to all that Lindsey and Lindsey alone has done for Fleetwood Mac which is Churn out great albums from the bands raw rubbish. When in reality the list of great Fleetwood Mac albums and how responsible I’d say Lindsey is for them is all over the board. While I think his vision on Tusk led to the greatest album of all time by not just this band but all bands. He constructed the greatest album of all time. But after that most of the best albums by this a band were before 1975 with the 2 absolute worse were Lindsey albums (mirage and tango) and then even on upper tier albums he was involved in he made some really questionable decisions as they pertain to song choices or even what directions songs should go in. Best example of that is literally every decision made in every Christine song from the first album was terrible and butchered Chris’s songs. They still ended up nice but after hearing what the started out as, in my opinion he took them all in the wrong direction.

And let me wrap up this long winded post that i can’t even remember which of the 7 Bitching Theme threads I’m even posting this on:


Every other danmed band from their era is either dead or partially dead or retired from being too injured (Brian Johnson and his hearing. And of those still active, they’re all putting out less new material then the forms of this band. With few exceptions one being the inhuman Neil Young. The Rolling Stones don’t have the new material output of the last 10 years as Fleetwood Mac and yet their fans act more reasonable.

And what about Led Zeppelin. How the hell fo they maintain their legendary status with their many fans with no blemishes on them since they just threw it in, in 1980. With Robert Plant being FAR more rigid on Ever reuniting them, yet never being crucified like Stevie Nicks. Yes I know they were just such an honorable group not wanting to replace their drummer. I’ll take the dishonest sneaky, money grubbing band over the honorable band l if th dishonorable bad is giving us product At this advanced age.

Nothing against LZ. I just like to explain things in anologies and that always boggled my mind that so many on this board constantly gives a **** about Fleetwood Mac’s legacy being tarnished? Who Cares. It’s like some of you are so delusional you’d like an alternative universe where the band politely quits to reduce confusion or suffer a tragedy but instead we’ve had an abundance given to us since 2011 with way more on the horizon. How ungreatful, all out of feeling bad for Lindsey. Well I sort of start to too, but then I remember he’s actually better off then almost all of us on The Ledge. and it’s such an odd reason to give up on the band. I’m just blown away the vibe isn’t excitement as it should be in anticipation to what comes next, but mourning like we just experienced a
Natural disaster or terrible death.

[button-lip]

That's not following my argument to its logical conclusion though. If the problem was that Stevie and Lindsey can't get along and no longer wish to try and that their lack of getting along makes touring miserable for all five of them, you don't need to get rid of both to solve the problem.

Remove one and harmony returns. My natural conclusion is that if you're going to remove one...it's not going to be Stevie Nicks.

So you’re basically rewarding Stevie and punishing Lindsey when those fights are not always his fault?

[button-lip]

Loyalty to Mick, true, but she may also have agreed that L. deserved to get the boot. We don’t know for sure what went down until we hear directly from one of these five.

She happily toured with him and all of a sudden she wants him out?

[StevieandChris]

She happily toured with him and all of a sudden she wants him out?

Didn’t the tour end in December? If the decision was made in February, March, or April, how do we know what happened in the interim? My speculation is just as valid as fans who are throwing tantrums about Stevie and Mick, and saying Chris sold out and John must be a spineless wimp or that they all only care about money.

[button-lip]

Didn’t the tour end in December? If the decision was made in February, March, or April, how do we know what happened in the interim? My speculation is just as valid as fans who are throwing tantrums about Stevie and Mick, and saying Chris sold out and John must be a spineless wimp or that they all only care about money.

The tour ended in November. He was fired in February. In two months Christine changed her mind about Lindsey? What did he do? Killed her cat?

Stevie and Mick wanted to fire Lindsey is no speculation.

[elle]

Didn’t the tour end in December? If the decision was made in February, March, or April, how do we know what happened in the interim? My speculation is just as valid as fans who are throwing tantrums about Stevie and Mick, and saying Chris sold out and John must be a spineless wimp or that they all only care about money.

january. but that was just when it was executed.

[elle]

The tour ended in November. He was fired in February. In two months Christine changed her mind about Lindsey? What did he do? Killed her cat?

Stevie and Mick wanted to fire Lindsey is no speculation.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

i love you! but you know that already.

people here are so stuck in their stevie ve lindsey rut, and happily keep wallowing in it. kinda sad. but i guess if that makes the world turn for these fans...

[HomerMcvie]

So you’re basically rewarding Stevie and punishing Lindsey when those fights are not always his fault?

No, no, NO. Every Stevie fan knows that EVERYTHING is Lindsey's fault. ALWAYS.

Did I ever tell you that you're my FAVORITE Ledgie?:xoxo::xoxo::xoxo:

[button-lip]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

i love you! but you know that already.



Did I ever tell you that you're my FAVORITE Ledgie?:xoxo::xoxo::xoxo:

Ok, too much love for me. What’s going on here? :lol::lol:

Love you too, guys. :xoxo: :xoxo:

[StevieandChris]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

i love you! but you know that already.

people here are so stuck in their stevie ve lindsey rut, and happily keep wallowing in it. kinda sad. but i guess if that makes the world turn for these fans...

LOL. That is rich coming from a board that is fueled by Stevie vs. Lindsey, or Stevie & Mick vs. Lindsey negativity, with Stevie and Mick getting the villain roles. I guess the difference is when the target is Lindsey rather than Stevie or Mick.

I think there is plenty of blame to go around. LB is not blameless.

[button-lip]

LOL. That is rich coming from a board that is fueled by Stevie vs. Lindsey, or Stevie & Mick vs. Lindsey negativity, with Stevie and Mick getting the villain roles. I guess the difference is when the target is Lindsey rather than Stevie or Mick.

I think there is plenty of blame to go around. LB is not blameless.

No, he is not. And you have said it countless times. Yet, you still haven't said Stevie and Mick aren't also blameless.

[StevieandChris]

No, he is not. And you have said it countless times. Yet, you still haven't said Stevie and Mick aren't also blameless.

I think I have said that somewhere. In case I have not in this thread I will say it again. Stevie, Mick, Christine, John, and Lindsey are ALL to blame for this mess and only they know what really went down.

[FuzzyPlum]

I think I have said that somewhere. In case I have not in this thread I will say it again. Stevie, Mick, Christine, John, and Lindsey are ALL to blame for this mess and only they know what really went down.


Except that isn't strictly true. There are others in the inner circle who intimately know what went down too. And then everyone one of them chats to other people about it and word spreads. The rumours that are out there all heavily point in one direction.
Of course they all have some sort of culpability, but some are significantly more culpable than others.

[secondhandchain]

30 people are rewarding awful behavior. It makes sense these days, if you know what I mean.

[MaryLiz2]

30 people are rewarding awful behavior. It makes sense these days, if you know what I mean.

It's up to 31. And I don't consider myself rewarding awful behavior. I'm rewarding decades of enjoyment brought to me and the fact that at their advanced ages my favorite band is still planning to haul themselves around the country/world playing music (and grabbing cash, but whatever).

And all the "this is what happened" business at this point is just rumors passed around from people who supposedly know someone who knows something. Until I see something reported by actual entertainment media or spoken by one of the five themselves, I don't know how we even know what "awful behavior" went down.

Besides, "rewarding awful behavior" reminds me of dealing with children. This band may behave like spoiled, angst and drama-ridden tweens...but they're a bunch of grown a** adults (senior citizens, actually) who can do whatever they want with their lives and careers.

I'm probably the wrong person to comment on this as I really don't give a rat's behind why Lindsey is out...and I'm even a little bit relieved that I won't have to suffer through any more phony Stevie-Lindsey huggy/hand-holdy nonsense this go-round; but, much like my favorite band, I'm drawn to the drama.

[BlanketMan]

I'd call myself a definite maybe, depending on how outrageous the prices are. Neil Finn is one of my Top Ten favorite male artists of the 1980s, so if they are going to try to replace Lindsey's brilliance, Finn is IMO the most exciting/intriguing choice they could've made. I realize I'm in the minority among Mac fans in that regard, but I'm very curious to see what Finn does with this group.

[Feather Blade]

Do we know when dates will be announced? I seem to recall seeing someone say 4/23 but am unsure if it was something official or just an educated guess.

[TheWildHeart67]

It cracks me up how personal some are taking this news. I'm not going to the tour, simply because at this late stage of the band, if all 5 fireflies aren't there, it isn't FM to me.

[elle]

It cracks me up how personal some are taking this news. I'm not going to the tour, simply because at this late stage of the band, if all 5 fireflies aren't there, it isn't FM to me.

well, unlike you who i assume lives in the US and can see any of them solo or in different combos whenever you want, there are people living at the other side of the world whose only chance to ever see LB is when he tours with FM. that chance has now been taken away from them. it may crack you up, but may not be as fun for them. :shrug:

[TheWildHeart67]

[QUOTE][well, unlike you who i assume lives in the US and can see any of them solo or in different combos whenever you want, there are people living at the other side of the world whose only chance to ever see LB is when he tours with FM. that chance has now been taken away from them. it may crack you up, but may not be as fun for them. :shrug:QUOTE]
That is understandable. I was speaking of blaming Stevie, Mick, boycotts, Christine being called a traitor, etc

[Kubrick2788]

Did anyone stop to think that they were supporting shameful/awful behavior when they were paying to see them during the Rumours and Tusk tours as they shoveled cocaine up their noses? I mean, they've all had issues in the past. Now they just seem to be overdosing on pettiness. I'll be there, somewhere in the building, because I want to hear them sing the songs they recorded in whatever key they manage to pull it off in now. I'll miss what Lindsey brings to some of these songs, but I won't be too sad to not sit through BL's grunt-filled ending or creepy whisper NGBA. Maybe I'll have to see a solo show to hear WMYTYTO. I wish they had pulled that out on one of the last couple tours :/ It's a garbage situation and they seem to be making a pretty bad choice with this, but all we can do is watch. If they ever listened to the people on here we'd have had some amazing tour setlists...but we haven't. So now I just have to decide how awkward hearing someone else sing GYOW will be alongside parts of Don't Stop.

[TheWildHeart67]

[QUOTE][Did anyone stop to think that they were supporting shameful/awful behavior when they were paying to see them during the Rumours and Tusk tours as they shoveled cocaine up their noses? I mean, they've all had issues in the past. Now they just seem to be overdosing on pettiness. I'll be there, somewhere in the building, because I want to hear them sing the songs they recorded in whatever key they manage to pull it off in now. I'll miss what Lindsey brings to some of these songs, but I won't be too sad to not sit through BL's grunt-filled ending or creepy whisper NGBA. Maybe I'll have to see a solo show to hear WMYTYTO. I wish they had pulled that out on one of the last couple tours :/ It's a garbage situation and they seem to be making a pretty bad choice with this, but all we can do is watch. If they ever listened to the people on here we'd have had some amazing tour setlists...but we haven't. So now I just have to decide how awkward hearing someone else sing GYOW will be alongside parts of Don't Stop.QUOTE]
Bravo!
This board stirs more drama than the actual band. Lol.
Fleetwood Mac are part of Pop Culture.
Nothing will ruin that legacy.

[button-lip]

That is understandable. I was speaking of blaming Stevie, Mick, boycotts, Christine being called a traitor, etc

Then who are we supposed to blame? Lindsey? He didn't choose to leave, he was fired. And by some band members' actions. Or all of them, because two are responsable for this mess and the other two remained silent. :(

[elle]

Then who are we supposed to blame? Lindsey? He didn't choose to leave, he was fired. And by some band members' actions. Or all of them, because two are responsable for this mess and the other two remained silent. :(

but of course! don't you know that he's a jerk and an a**hole?? get with the program! :rolleyes::D can you imagine what would happen if Stevie was fired? oh the outrage we would have to endure! :lol:

i'm sure board would be full of people jumping up and down accusing everyone under the sun and above of things like misogyny and similar that they keep pulling out every time anyone says anything against her.

[sasja]

Little late to this news but!

:lol: I am just looking forward to the tour reviews.:blob1::blob1::woohoo:
My dollar's on the "band" (and I say that in the loosest sense of the word, really I do) getting nailed to several crosses repeatedly.

Way to shoot yourself in the gouty ol' foot there, "FM" , firing your best musician!

[elle]

Little late to this news but!

:lol: I am just looking forward to the tour reviews.:blob1::blob1::woohoo:
My dollar's on the "band" (and I say that in the loosest sense of the word, really I do) getting nailed to several crosses repeatedly.

Way to shoot yourself in the gouty ol' foot there, "FM" , firing your best musician!

you know, i saw once a tweet from someone claiming they saw FM live and that they "suck". somebody asked them "really?" all surprised. then the first guy said - wait actually it was Stevie Nicks not exactly FM..... and the other guy was like - duh!

[Dr.Brown]

...can you imagine what would happen if Stevie was fired? oh the outrage we would have to endure! :lol:

i'm sure board would be full of people jumping up and down accusing everyone under the sun and above of things like misogyny and similar that they keep pulling out every time anyone says anything against her.

They wouldn't dare do that to Bob Dylan!!! :D

[TheWildHeart67]

[QUOTE]Then who are we supposed to blame? Lindsey? He didn't choose to leave, he was fired. And by some band members' actions. Or all of them, because two are responsable for this mess and the other two remained silent. :(/QUOTE]
Life goes on.

[button-lip]

Life goes on.

Wow! Thank you for that moment of enlightenment!

[button-lip]

They wouldn't dare do that to Bob Dylan!!! :D

Yeah, well, no matter what she thinks, she's not Bob Dylan. Not even close.

[HomerMcvie]

but of course! don't you know that he's a jerk and an a**hole?? get with the program! :rolleyes::D can you imagine what would happen if Stevie was fired? oh the outrage we would have to endure! :lol:

i'm sure board would be full of people jumping up and down accusing everyone under the sun and above of things like misogyny and similar that they keep pulling out every time anyone says anything against her.

Dear lort, can you imagine the Hell we'd witness if they'd fire the witless?

Of course misogyny would be the reason...because it couldn't be anything else!

[TheWildHeart67]

[QUOTE]Dear lort, can you imagine the Hell we'd witness if they'd fire the witless?

Of course misogyny would be the reason...because it couldn't be anything else!/QUOTE]
I am simply going to skip this tour.

[secondhandchain]

[QUOTE][Did anyone stop to think that they were supporting shameful/awful behavior when they were paying to see them during the Rumours and Tusk tours as they shoveled cocaine up their noses? I mean, they've all had issues in the past. Now they just seem to be overdosing on pettiness. I'll be there, somewhere in the building, because I want to hear them sing the songs they recorded in whatever key they manage to pull it off in now. I'll miss what Lindsey brings to some of these songs, but I won't be too sad to not sit through BL's grunt-filled ending or creepy whisper NGBA. Maybe I'll have to see a solo show to hear WMYTYTO. I wish they had pulled that out on one of the last couple tours :/ It's a garbage situation and they seem to be making a pretty bad choice with this, but all we can do is watch. If they ever listened to the people on here we'd have had some amazing tour setlists...but we haven't. So now I just have to decide how awkward hearing someone else sing GYOW will be alongside parts of Don't Stop.QUOTE]
Bravo!
This board stirs more drama than the actual band. Lol.
Fleetwood Mac are part of Pop Culture.
Nothing will ruin that legacy.

I dont think most of us knew if they were doing coke back then. I certainly didn't. It wasn't really adveritised. No social media etc... Plus I was little, but even if I wasn't....

[sands of time]

I won't be going anywhere near this tour, but I honestly can't wait to see if Mick has the balls to repeat his "be kind to one another" nonsense at the end of every show.

[button-lip]

I won't be going anywhere near this tour, but I honestly can't wait to see if Mick has the balls to repeat his "be kind to one another" nonsense at the end of every show.

He and Stevie have no shame in preaching here and there. :rolleyes:

I'm sure this tour won't be an exception. Because Lindsey's fans have already voiced their intention of not attending it, and Stevie's fans are dying to hear her endless stories. :rolleyes:

[elle]

I won't be going anywhere near this tour, but I honestly can't wait to see if Mick has the balls to repeat his "be kind to one another" nonsense at the end of every show.

i know. for some reason i keep thinking about that. :distress: :nod:

[Dr.Brown]

As the lights come up and people are exiting, the following instrumental cover of a certain Nick Lowe song will blare out over the sound system. :wavey:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfPt4Hk6fhg