This Is An Outrage-Buckingham Departure

[WatchChain]

For approximately 5 minutes after hearing the news of Lindsey's departure, I was in shock. This is certainly a curve ball from left field that I NEVER expected. Shock has turned to anger. Quite frankly, this is an outrage! I waited YEARS for the return of Christine McVie to have the Rumours lineup together again, and now THIS! I'm sorry, but these folks are spoiled brats! I've grown so tired and weary of this saga that I don't care to spend another dime on these pampered, indulgent divas! GROW UP! I would LOVE to boycott this tour! The thought of seeing the Mac live without Buckingham's energy (think Burnett/Vito) is abominable.

I've had enough. Rant over!

[Macfan4life]

I feel your pain.
A miracle happens and Christine returns and now this? Its frustrating that a band member who tours with the band but refuses to record with them is not fired. This band member keeps extending their solo tour thus delaying Fleetwood Mac but they don't get fired. The creative genius of Fleetwood Mac who put the band ahead of his solo career time after time gets fired.
Its sad
Its pathetic
Its an outrage

[BLY]

I feel your pain.
A miracle happens and Christine returns and now this? Its frustrating that a band member who tours with the band but refuses to record with them is not fired. This band member keeps extending their solo tour thus delaying Fleetwood Mac but they don't get fired. The creative genius of Fleetwood Mac who put the band ahead of his solo career time after time gets fired.
Its sad
Its pathetic
Its an outrage


I agree. It's a real shame this is how the Fleetwood Mac story may end.

[elle]

Quite frankly, this is an outrage!

you are not the only one. apparently 99% of the world agrees that Fleetwood Mac just ceased to exist, with their decision to fire Lindsey.

[WatchChain]

You are right on! It's ridiculous. I'm so tired of Lindsey and Stevie playing games. Stevie was wrong not to record new music with The Mac. A small part of me now feels that Lindsey was going to teach them a lesson by holding out on a tour. Then, the remaining 4 turn around and move forward without him! I'm disgusted! This is what happens when spoiled "rock stars" are stuck in Peter Pan syndrome and refuse to grow up.

[jbrownsjr]

$he told Mick, it's him or MEEEEEE.

$he got the guy that got her in... FIRED! AND.... got her friends to join the band. Surprised $he didn't get Sheryl, too.

[HomerMcvie]

you are not the only one. apparently 99% of the world agrees that Fleetwood Mac just ceased to exist, with their decision to fire Lindsey.

I hope that NOBODY attends this next tour. F*ck this bunch of children!

[WatchChain]

I hope that NOBODY attends this next tour. F*ck this bunch of children!

I'm calling for a complete and total BOYCOTT of this tour! No money to these brats!

[elle]

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Lindsey Buckingham parts ways with Fleetwood Mac before tou
The longstanding member will be replaced by the Tom Petty guitarist Mike Campbell and Crowded House’s Neil Finn

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Lindsey Buckingham has parted ways with Fleetwood Mac months before they are scheduled to embark on a live tour.

In a statement, the band announced: “Lindsey Buckingham will not be performing with the band on this tour. The band wishes Lindsey all the best.”


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It’s been revealed that Buckingham will be replaced on tour by the Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers guitarist Mike Campbell and Crowded House’s Neil Finn. “Fleetwood Mac has always been about an amazing collection of songs that are performed with a unique blend of talents,” Mick Fleetwood said. “We jammed with Mike and Neil and the chemistry really worked and let the band realize that this is the right combination to go forward with in Fleetwood Mac style. We know we have something new, yet it’s got the unmistakable Mac sound.”

Finn said in a statement: “Two weeks ago I received a wonderful invitation to be a part of a truly great band. A few days later I was standing in a room playing music with Fleetwood Mac. It felt fresh and exciting, so many great songs, a spectacular rhythm section and two of the greatest voices ever. Best of all, we sounded good together. It was a natural fit. I can’t wait to play.”

The band’s Facebook page has since changed its profile image from one of the band to an illustrated picture.

Fleetwood Mac in 1975: John McVie, Christine McVie, Stevie Nicks, Mick Fleetwood, and Lindsey Buckingham.
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Fleetwood Mac in 1975: John McVie, Christine McVie, Stevie Nicks, Mick Fleetwood and Lindsey Buckingham. Photograph: Michael Ochs Archives/Getty Images
Buckingham originally joined the band in 1975 and played with them until 1987. In this incarnation, featuring Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christine McVie and Stevie Nicks, they released 1977’s Rumors. The album sold over 40mcopies. Buckingham rejoined the band in 1997 and last year released a duet album with McVie.

His most recent performance with the band was during a concert in January honoring Fleetwood Mac as MusiCares Person of the Year. The Fleetwood Mac tour is to start in June. Last week, the band re-entered the US charts with Dreams after it was used in a meme.

[elle]

interesting - "Co-founder Mick Fleetwood also released his own statement, clearly in an attempt to calm fans' complaints about the departure of one of Fleetwood Mac's three main songwriters."


http://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/news/a854350/fleetwood-mac-fire-lindsey-buckingham/

Fleetwood Mac have parted ways with long-time band member Lindsey Buckingham

Lindsey will go his own way.

Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVie, Stevie Nicks, Lindsey Buckingham, and John McVie of Fleetwood Mac

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By Justin Harp
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Fleetwood Mac have announced that they will be parting ways with singer-guitarist Lindsey Buckingham.

A joint statement from the band released on Monday (April 9) confirmed that Buckingham will be replaced on their upcoming tour by Mike Campbell of the Heartbreakers and Neil Finn of Crowded House.

"We are thrilled to welcome the musical talents of the caliber of Mike Campbell and Neil Finn into the Mac family," the band told Rolling Stone.
Fleetwood Mac

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"With Mike and Neil, we'll be performing all the hits that the fans love, plus we'll be surprising our audiences with some tracks from our historic catalogue of songs. Fleetwood Mac has always been a creative evolution. We look forward to honouring that spirit on this upcoming tour."

Co-founder Mick Fleetwood also released his own statement, clearly in an attempt to calm fans' complaints about the departure of one of Fleetwood Mac's three main songwriters.

"Fleetwood Mac has always been about an amazing collection of songs that are performed with a unique blend of talents," Mick said today.

"We jammed with Mike and Neil and the chemistry really worked and let the band realise that this is the right combination to go forward with in Fleetwood Mac style. We know we have something new, yet it's got the unmistakable Mac sound."
John McVie, Christine McVie, Stevie Nicks, Lindsey Buckingham, and Mick Fleetwood of Fleetwood Mac pose onstage during NBC's 'Today'

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This disappointing turn-of-events comes several months after Christine McVie announced on The One Show last year that the classic line-up of Fleetwood Mac would be touring in 2018.

At that time, McVie was promoting a collaborative album with Buckingham, which the duo toured on their own. McVie only reunited with Fleetwood Mac in 2014, after a decade away.

Buckingham and Stevie Nicks first became members of Fleetwood Mac together in 1974, and would usher in the band's most successful period as the classic Rumours-era line-up.

There has yet to be any comment from Buckingham on news of his sacking.

[Frankenstein]

So the new guys have already been playing with the 4 remaining FM members. And Christine of all people is seemingly okay with it. Sad.

[NotonRodeo]

I am so damn furious at this band that I haven't slept since last night (other side of the world) despite having taken enough sedatives to take down an elephant.

Mick's statement about how the new lineup will still have the "unmistakeable Mac sound" is a further insult to our intelligence. Does he think he could bamboozle us into believing the Heartbreakers or Crowded House actually sound like Lindsey Buckingham?

[iamnotafraid]

I'm calling for a complete and total BOYCOTT of this tour! No money to these brats!

More effective to go to the show with
goat shirts and boo the whole time.

Wonder what she'd think if she saw the
front row filled with goat shirts? Would
she get it?

[WatchChain]

[QUOTE=iamnotafraid;1222042]More effective to go to the show with
goat shirts and boo the whole time.

Wonder what she'd think if she saw the
front row filled with goat shirts? Would
she get it?[/QUOTE

No, that would be cruel and uncalled for. It's a much stonger statement to just refuse to buy a ticket and sit this one out.

[iamnotafraid]

No, that would be cruel and uncalled for. It's a much stonger statement to just refuse to buy a ticket and sit this one out.

That was Alec's idea.

They weren't going to get my money anyway.
Though if I were forced to pick, I'd pick team
Buckingham.

[bombaysaffires]

[QUOTE=iamnotafraid;1222042]More effective to go to the show with
goat shirts and boo the whole time.

Wonder what she'd think if she saw the
front row filled with goat shirts? Would
she get it?[/QUOTE

No, that would be cruel and uncalled for. It's a much stonger statement to just refuse to buy a ticket and sit this one out.

Hit them where it really hurts--- the wallet. Keep your money in your wallet.

They could give two hoots what your shirt is, they'd still be laughing all the way to the bank to deposit your money in their accounts.

[FuzzyPlum]

[/QUOTE]

No, that would be cruel and uncalled for. It's a much stonger statement to just refuse to buy a ticket and sit this one out.[/QUOTE]


A nasty message targeting Stevie might be uncalled for but an 'I STAND WITH LINDSEY' placard or banner would be good.

[Lola]

I've seen "Justice For Lindsey" on the internet too. That Anoro commercial just came on while i'm typing...

[WatchChain]

As a Fleetwood Mac fan of 40 years, I am just HEARTSICK. No one has died here, so I cannot compare this to the death of John Lennon, but it certainly comes close.

I have a deep sense in the pit of my stomach that this is the END. I think whatever brought about this conflict was the final straw for all involved. I DO NOT see the Rumours lineup EVER recording or touring together again. It's a sorrowful day. This band was given an opportunity to record a final album and give its fans a proper Farewell Tour, but they chose to take the low road.

As Don McLean proclaimed, "the day the music died" is upon us. I'm just heartsick.

[aleuzzi]

I won't be seeing them perform live, though if new Christine material gets recorded, I'd buy it. That's really all I care about from the current lineup.

As for Lindsey, I'll continue to buy his solo material BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENTLY VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT.

So sad: Lindsey and Christine have this incredible partnership and now, so hard on the heels of that, he is ousted and rightfully claims he will have no connection to further Mac activity.

[BLY]

As a Fleetwood Mac fan of 40 years, I am just HEARTSICK. No one has died here, so I cannot compare this to the death of John Lennon, but it certainly comes close.

I have a deep sense in the pit of my stomach that this is the END. I think whatever brought about this conflict was the final straw for all involved. I DO NOT see the Rumours lineup EVER recording or touring together again. It's a sorrowful day. This band was given an opportunity to record a final album and give its fans a proper Farewell Tour, but they chose to take the low road.

As Don McLean proclaimed, "the day the music died" is upon us. I'm just heartsick.


Well said. 😂😫

[FuzzyPlum]

Billboard:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8300503/fleetwood-mac-lindsey-buckingham-split-questions


5 Lingering Questions From Fleetwood Mac's Split With Lindsey Buckingham
4/9/2018 by Melinda Newman


When Fleetwood Mac announced Monday (April 9) that the legendary band had replaced guitarist Lindsey Buckingham with Crowded House’s Neil Finn and Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers’ Mike Campbell for its upcoming tour, its statement brought up more questions than it answered.

Here are a few of those lingering questions:


What went south?
Prophetically, the last song that Fleetwood Mac performed together was “Go Your Own Way,” when the band was honored Jan. 26 as MusiCares Person of the Year. But at that gala, held at New York’s Radio City Music Hall, all seemed well with the band. While receiving their award, Buckingham acknowledged the dysfunction that fueled so many of the band’s hits, but added, “Not very far below the level of dysfunction, what we are feeling more than ever in our career is love.” After artists, including Lorde, Keith Urban, Juanes and Little Big Town, saluted the band, the quintet took the stage to close the evening with energetic performances of “The Chain,” “Little Lies,” "Tusk,” “Gold Dust Woman” and “Go Your Own Way.”

Why Mike Campbell and Neil Finn?
Longtime friends Campbell and Stevie Nicks go back nearly 40 years. Campbell played on Nicks and Tom Petty’s 1981 duet “Stop Dragging My Heart Around.” More recently, “I Don’t Care,” a song the guitarist co-wrote with Nicks, appeared on Nicks’ 2014 album, 24 Karat Gold: Songs From the Vault, a collection of newly recorded versions of demos that Nicks initially recorded between 1969 and 1987. Less obvious is the Finn connection, but drummer Mick Fleetwood and Finn have a history, if not one as deep as that of Campbell and Nicks. Fleetwood told an Australian newspaper in 2016 that he was playing on Finn’s next album, referring to Finn as “a new music friend…I invited myself to play in Auckland so I am going down there first to work on his next album, as a friend.”

When did this all go down?
Regardless of the circumstances -- whether Buckingham jumped or was shoved -- his departure seems to be a very recent development. On April 4, guitarist Billy Burnette, who replaced Buckingham when he left Fleetwood Mac in 1987, tweeted, “Breaking news: Lindsey Buckingham is out, but I’m not in.” Burnette quickly deleted that tweet, but it’s possible that he already knew that Finn would be coming in, as Finn was already woodshedding with the band. After the news broke on Monday, Finn said in a statement that he was invited to join Fleetwood Mac two weeks ago -- that would be March 26 -- and that “a few days later, I was standing in a room playing music with Fleetwood Mac.”

What does this mean for the setlist?
When Christine McVie stopped touring with the band -- from 1998 to 2014 -- Fleetwood Mac largely dropped her songs from its live repertoire, with the exception of “Don’t Stop,” on which Nicks sang McVie’s part. While it’s easy to imagine Finn singing Buckingham’s co-lead on “Don’t Stop,” it’s much harder to envision his taking over Buckingham-fronted “Go Your Own Way,” “Big Love” or “Tusk.” According to the statement, Fleetwood Mac, who is co-managed by Suretone’s Carl Stubner and CSM’s Sheryl Louis and booked by CAA, will announce tour dates soon, presumably for fall of this year. Fleetwood told Rolling Stone last August that he and Nicks had discussed delving deeper into the band’s catalog beyond the hits.

What’s next?
The question remains whether Buckingham is out for good -- and what that even means for a band that has not put out an album with all five primary members (Nicks, Buckingham, McVie, John McVie and Mick Fleetwood) since 1987’s Tango in the Night -- or if this is a temporary split. Given that he, Nicks and Christine McVie have left and come back before, the final chapter is far from written. With Fleetwood Mac, the words from another band known for its dysfunction seem applicable: “You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.”

[jkmaletic]

As disappointing as this is that it happened, are any of you Lindsay fans excited about the possibility that he is now free? He'll be able to record as many solo albums and tour them at least for the foreseeable future.
:shrug:

[kenzo]

Well, yes, because for me LB is still an artist, and the rest of FM are mostly just well-paid performers now... but I still mourn the special magic that the Rumours Five can make.

As disappointing as this is that it happened, are any of you Lindsay fans excited about the possibility that he is now free? He'll be able to record as many solo albums and tour them at least for the foreseeable future.
:shrug:

[JohnL]

More effective to go to the show with
goat shirts and boo the whole time.

Wonder what she'd think if she saw the
front row filled with goat shirts? Would
she get it?

So you are crucifying the rest of the band for being immature and peter pan like...and you want to do this? Come on....it is pretty obvious who is at fault here since the rest of the band is standing together.

And the immediate assumption that this is all because of Stevie is getting a little old. My bet is that the big mouth egotistic asshole that is Lindsey Buckingham opened his big, holier than thou mouth one too many times to one too many people. Put the blame where it belongs. At that point, if he said something nasty to her, I would not blame her if she said it is him or me. Crucify me if you like...I dont care as you know.

[HomerMcvie]

So you are crucifying the rest of the band for being immature and peter pan like...and you want to do this? Come on....it is pretty obvious who is at fault here since the rest of the band is standing together.

And the immediate assumption that this is all because of Stevie is getting a little old. My bet is that the big mouth egotistic asshole that is Lindsey Buckingham opened his big, holier than thou mouth one too many times to one too many people. Put the blame where it belongs. At that point, if he said something nasty to her, I would not blame her if she said it is him or me. Crucify me if you like...I dont care as you know.

Stevie Nicks could drop a Hot Carl on you, and you'd still praise her up and down.

[SorcererJP]

Why crucify the band? FM is not a bunch of friends/musicians anymore. It's a company, a business. I bet laywers and managers negotiated for weeks (thats why we are waiting for tourdames for ages) ... Lindsey wants to record and tour with new material, while the rest (blame them, they are all 70+) want to tour while they can with material they can play with their eyes shut ... grab the money and have fun.

The media used the word ' fired', I guess they just separated and both went their own way. Agreed to disagree ... LB doesn't own the band or the rights to exploit the band. So the rest of them just continued. I guess they fell as sad as he does.

Think of the song ' Come' : 🎶 ... and the band ... played ... on ... 🎶

[The Chain]

I was hoping it wasn't true, but it became more and more obvious with each day.. Can't believe I'm saying it, but f*ck them. This is wrong and they should be ashamed of themselves. They just lost the only true artist left in the band. May he continue his incredible late-career solo prolificness. They have turned themselves into what 99% of dinosaur rock bands are at this point in their careers- an oldies cash-grab act that has abandoned integrity. I realize they have been on that path for quite sometime, hell, mostly already there.. but with Linds on board, there was at least a constant push for new material, to be artists.. Now they've gone full shill on us. And after Chris returned, against all odds, for what should have been the graceful closing out of their legacy, with the classic lineup intact. You couldn't pay me to go see them now. And I've paid thru the nose to see them, 5 times. Hopefully this means I'll get to see my 4th Lindsey Buckingham solo show soon, though!I will be at every performance I can make, monetarily/schedule permitting.
I will always love the 5 fireflies, what they did at their peak, who they used to be.. Lindsey’s just the only one who cares about creating anymore. He’s the backbone & the brain behind this era, and this is coming from someone who loves all three songwriters equally. He brought out the best in all of them, musically speaking of course:lol:. His arrangements & playing are the template of this lineup, the Fleetwood Mac sound. They’re a cover band without him.
I may or may not have had some Team Lindsey : Never Break The Chain shirts custom printed for my Mac fan friends and I :laugh:

[DreamIsOver]

The media used the word ' fired', I guess they just separated and both went their own way. Agreed to disagree ... LB doesn't own the band or the rights to exploit the band. So the rest of them just continued. I guess they fell as sad as he does.

I've read somewhere speculation that they band signed contracts a couple years ago for this tour so presumably they would not have been able to just agree to go their separate ways. All reports are that he did not quit and CNN says a rep for Lindsey referred all questions to the band - which obviously gives the impression that Lindsey wants it known that it was not his decision to leave without saying himself yet. His contract would have to be terminated which also may explain why the statement by the band only speaks to this upcoming tour.

[JohnL]

Stevie Nicks could drop a Hot Carl on you, and you'd still praise her up and down.

There was absolutely nothing in that post that praised her.

[gldstwmn]

That was Alec's idea.



It looks like Alec and Rusty's chickens finally came home to roost.

[GavinBrown]

What I wonder is this...

1. Do we get a Buckingham/Mcvie 2?
2. Does the band record an EP/album with this new lineup?

Either way, AWKWARDDDDDD.

[gldstwmn]

What I wonder is this...

1. Do we get a Buckingham/Mcvie 2?
2. Does the band record an EP/album with this new lineup?

Either way, AWKWARDDDDDD.

I think anything is possible at this point. It's a good thing no one's made
Fleetwood Mac - The Movie yet. :o

[iamnotafraid]

So you are crucifying the rest of the band for being immature and peter pan like...and you want to do this? Come on....it is pretty obvious who is at fault here since the rest of the band is standing together.


I've done no such thing.

And it's pretty obvious who is at fault.
It's the one who's wrapped up in at
least twenty layers of chiffon.

The band is only standing together for
$$$.

After one successful tour they'll be back
to what they were before without Lindsey.
Just another sad ole dinosaur band.

[iamnotafraid]

It looks like Alec and Rusty's chickens finally came home to roost.

Alec's maybe. But not good ole Rusty.

[gldstwmn]

Alec's maybe. But not good ole Rusty.

Hmm... I’m suspicious of that Barry.
Jesus I feel like I’m at a funeral. :distress:

[dontlookdown]

Not sure it’s an outrage, but it certainly is shocking and hugely
disappointing.
I have mixed feelings.
I was looking for a legitimate farewell tour; but I’m also not a big fan of the tired rote greatest hits sets.
The news feels like a weird deja vu from 1987.
But Mike Campbell will bring a lot of energy and personality to the sound - in a way that Rick Vito and Billy Burnette weren’t capable of.
I honestly can’t think of a better replacement for Lindsey Buckingham ‘s sound - especially in the context of big arenas.
Mike is an amazing player and a superb songwriter. He will bring a lot to the tour in ways that people aren’t expecting. Neil Finn is a great singer; but I’m not as enthusiastic about him because it feels like it was a choice made out of convenience. I guess they needed someone with pipes given how shaky Chris’s vocals have become.
In any event, I guess it just feels like a knee jerk band aid fix rather then a considered
thoughtful crafted project.

I wish it was presented as a different band / project instead of a salvage Fleetwood Mac tour.

At the same time, I’m not sure this whole story came out of a scenario that was dramatic in the way that the press is presenting it.
It could have been that they just couldn’t agree on a schedule.
People in their 70’s should be able to make decisions at will.
They don’t work for us and they don’t owe us anything.
I would have hated to know that a tour was put together and Lindsey didn’t want to be there.

I’m sorry that the end result of all of this is that we have a nostalgia act cobbling together what they can to prop up a tour - - instead of a group of five artists who really wanted to commit to making this a final goodbye to the 5 decades worth of fans.
I’m sorry for all of us. But I also respect people for asking for what they want and need rather than going through the motions because they think they’re supposed to.
Much respect to the whole band for giving everyone the freedom to come and go as they please.

It’s shocking and it’s unexpected and it hurts.
But I think if people can put aside the drama machine and make an effort to not write the narrative for this band that probably never happened; we might find that we can allow ourselves to enjoy Mike Campbell’s jaw-dropping guitar playing.
He’s no Buckingham, but he is quite possibly the most gifted player I’ve ever heard in an arena setting.

[SisterNightroad]

Not sure it’s an outrage, but it certainly is shocking and hugely
disappointing.
I have mixed feelings.
I was looking for a legitimate farewell tour; but I’m also not a big fan of the tired rote greatest hits sets.
The news feels like a weird deja vu from 1987.
But Mike Campbell will bring a lot of energy and personality to the sound - in a way that Rick Vito and Billy Burnette weren’t capable of.
I honestly can’t think of a better replacement for Lindsey Buckingham ‘s sound - especially in the context of big arenas.
Mike is an amazing player and a superb songwriter. He will bring a lot to the tour in ways that people aren’t expecting. Neil Finn is a great singer; but I’m not as enthusiastic about him because it feels like it was a choice made out of convenience. I guess they needed someone with pipes given how shaky Chris’s vocals have become.
In any event, I guess it just feels like a knee jerk band aid fix rather then a considered
thoughtful crafted project.

I wish it was presented as a different band / project instead of a salvage Fleetwood Mac tour.

At the same time, I’m not sure this whole story came out of a scenario that was dramatic in the way that the press is presenting it.
It could have been that they just couldn’t agree on a schedule.
People in their 70’s should be able to make decisions at will.
They don’t work for us and they don’t owe us anything.
I would have hated to know that a tour was put together and Lindsey didn’t want to be there.

I’m sorry that the end result of all of this is that we have a nostalgia act cobbling together what they can to prop up a tour - - instead of a group of five artists who really wanted to commit to making this a final goodbye to the 5 decades worth of fans.
I’m sorry for all of us. But I also respect people for asking for what they want and need rather than going through the motions because they think they’re supposed to.
Much respect to the whole band for giving everyone the freedom to come and go as they please.

It’s shocking and it’s unexpected and it hurts.
But I think if people can put aside the drama machine and make an effort to not write the narrative for this band that probably never happened; we might find that we can allow ourselves to enjoy Mike Campbell’s jaw-dropping guitar playing.
He’s no Buckingham, but he is quite possibly the most gifted player I’ve ever heard in an arena setting.
Thanks dontlookdown for your mature and thoughtful reflection with whom I agree wholeheartedly

[Tango]

I'm sorry, but these folks are spoiled brats! I've grown so tired and weary of this saga that I don't care to spend another dime on these pampered, indulgent divas!

"You know I think all of us have some inner demons that we struggle with. We all have them, and there's been times when we let them get the best of us probably as well. I think its just important to remember that no one falls into a simple set of labels, and its even more important, I think, to learn from your mistakes and to fight for the positive choice."-Lindsey Buckingham

[aleuzzi]

A friend on FB earlier was wondering if the band will do a "Don't dream it's over"-"Dreams" medley. He was enthusiastic. As irrational as it sounds, his enthusiasm upset/offended me. When I pointed out that firing Lindsey was quite possibly the result of a Stevie "him or me" ultimatum, he responded: "I think it’s pretty clear now that FM isn’t a going concern when Stevie is not involved." Again, this, however true and obvious this was, it upset me. I always knew Stevie wielded her celebrity power like a weapon against him and the band, but I never thought the band--ie: Fleetwood and the McVies--would let him slip through their fingers a second time. He is simply too valuable. Period. They've made a colossal mistake. An embarrassing mistake. All for the sake of money. I can't get over this. Yet. But I will be the first person to gladly eat my words if the band actually sounds good in this new configuration. I am, putting it mildly, doubtful.

[bwboy]

Although I'm bummed LB is gone (for now, anyway, who knows what'll happen 5 years from now), I have to admit I am ok with LB being replaced in a way I never would be if SN were replaced, and here's why- Stevie is a singer only. Lindsey, being a guitarist, HAS to be replaced. The band NEEDS a guitarist. Bringing Mike Campbell in to play guitar is pretty damn genius- he's incredible, well-liked and has a following. And bringing Neil Finn is also clever- while we're all speculating he'll be singing LB songs live, the band will probably surprise us by having him sing Danny Kirwin or Bob Welch songs instead.

[Macfan4life]

Although I'm bummed LB is gone (for now, anyway, who knows what'll happen 5 years from now), I have to admit I am ok with LB being replaced in a way I never would be if SN were replaced, and here's why- Stevie is a singer only. Lindsey, being a guitarist, HAS to be replaced. The band NEEDS a guitarist. Bringing Mike Campbell in to play guitar is pretty damn genius- he's incredible, well-liked and has a following. And bringing Neil Finn is also clever- while we're all speculating he'll be singing LB songs live, the band will probably surprise us by having him sing Danny Kirwin or Bob Welch songs instead.
In your dreams ;)
The Bob Welch era has been white washed. They don't talk about it, would not allow him in the Rock N Roll hall of fame, and even removed any mention of him on Behind the Music. They even cut him off the album Heroes are Hard to Find.
There is no way any Bob Welch will be played. Even Lindsey songs wont be played (I don't consider The Chain a Lindsey song). They don't want to sound like a cover band. I am shocked at what people think they are going to play. Someone mentioned on another thread that I'm So Afraid will be played LOL
The worst mistake you can make is trying to imitate the person you are replacing.

[bombaysaffires]

In your dreams ;)
The Bob Welch era has been white washed. They don't talk about it, would not allow him in the Rock N Roll hall of fame, and even removed any mention of him on Behind the Music. They even cut him off the album Heroes are Hard to Find.
There is no way any Bob Welch will be played. Even Lindsey songs wont be played (I don't consider The Chain a Lindsey song). They don't want to sound like a cover band. I am shocked at what people think they are going to play. Someone mentioned on another thread that I'm So Afraid will be played LOL

You know I can't help but look at your avatar, the pic of LB and CM in their BuckVie photo shoot, and the clips of them making that album, and all the lovey dovey going on throughout... there were Mick and Lindsey hugging and Lindsey saying to Mick "I love you, man" and the back slapping, and all the hugging and kissing with Chris........ Not to even mention the whole BuckVie tour.

And now this.

It just doesn't compute.

[FuzzyPlum]

Although I'm bummed LB is gone (for now, anyway, who knows what'll happen 5 years from now), I have to admit I am ok with LB being replaced in a way I never would be if SN were replaced, and here's why- Stevie is a singer only. Lindsey, being a guitarist, HAS to be replaced. The band NEEDS a guitarist. Bringing Mike Campbell in to play guitar is pretty damn genius- he's incredible, well-liked and has a following. And bringing Neil Finn is also clever- while we're all speculating he'll be singing LB songs live, the band will probably surprise us by having him sing Danny Kirwin or Bob Welch songs instead.


Who is speculating this? I think most people probably feel as if they'll avoid Lindsey songs as much as possible. Said it before but the only Lindsey song I can see them playing would be Go Your Own Way (as well as World Turning and The Chain). They'll do what they did in 87/88 and play several PG songs. I can also imagine them writing a couple of new tunes and playing those as well. I can definitely envisage Neil writing and performing a duet with Christine.

Oh Well- highly likely bordering on a dead cert
Black Magic Woman- highly likely
Green Manalishi- very good shout
Sentimental Lady- possibility

[SpyNote]

Who is speculating this? I think most people probably feel as if they'll avoid Lindsey songs as much as possible. Said it before but the only Lindsey song I can see them playing would be Go Your Own Way (as well as World Turning and The Chain). They'll do what they did in 87/88 and play several PG songs. I can also imagine them writing a couple of new tunes and playing those as well.

I agree. Neil Finn and Michael Campbell are both highly established already, so I'm sure the focus will be on their individual strengths, not duplicating Lindsey (which, of course, is impossible).

I can definitely envisage Neil writing and performing a duet with Christine.

I love that idea.

[FuzzyPlum]

I love that idea.


I can envisage Neil writing and performing a duet with Christine...but I still don't want to like that idea. My glass is still half empty.

[TrueFaith77]

You know I can't help but look at your avatar, the pic of LB and CM in their BuckVie photo shoot, and the clips of them making that album, and all the lovey dovey going on throughout... there were Mick and Lindsey hugging and Lindsey saying to Mick "I love you, man" and the back slapping, and all the hugging and kissing with Chris........ Not to even mention the whole BuckVie tour.

And now this.

It just doesn't compute.

You have captured the cognitive dissonance perfectly.

[secondhandchain]

I am done they are officially dead to me. And we all know who’s fault it is don’t we? Boycott!!!

[Nick]

I am done they are officially dead to me. And we all know who’s fault it is don’t we? Boycott!!!

No, please tell us as you seem to have the answers.

[APerfectLie]

Are we sure Lindsey is out of Fleetwood Mac or is he just not touring this time around? Per their official statement,

"Lindsey Buckingham will not be performing with the band on this tour. The band wishes Lindsey all the best."

Seems to read as if he might still be a member of FM.

[elle]

Are we sure Lindsey is out of Fleetwood Mac or is he just not touring this time around? Per their official statement,

"Lindsey Buckingham will not be performing with the band on this tour. The band wishes Lindsey all the best."

Seems to read as if he might still be a member of FM.

they'll see. Mick issues icy cold statement but still leaves the door cracked just in case tour without him bombs. :p :p

seriously though they said to one of the outlets that their decision is firm and final.

[elle]

I think anything is possible at this point. It's a good thing no one's made
Fleetwood Mac - The Movie yet. :o

you know i was thinking that - THIS what they did now in their 70s is ensuring that FM the movie will be made. because it's crazier than all their drugged out crazy. they don't have the excuse of being young or high now. just greedy but i'm sure the movie will turn it in a tragic exploding relationship between the exes.

like Azoff said on his SiriusXM station about the non-identified band -
it's a special kind of art to watch some of the bands and what people in them do just to torture each other unnecessarily.

or something to that effect. rings true, doesn't it?

[elle]

But I also respect people for asking for what they want and need rather than going through the motions because they think they’re supposed to.
Much respect to the whole band for giving everyone the freedom to come and go as they please.

It’s shocking and it’s unexpected and it hurts.
But I think if people can put aside the drama machine and make an effort to not write the narrative for this band that probably never happened; we might find that we can allow ourselves to enjoy Mike Campbell’s jaw-dropping guitar playing.
He’s no Buckingham, but he is quite possibly the most gifted player I’ve ever heard in an arena setting.

everyone the freedom to come and go? what are you talking about???? you did read all these reports that Lindsey was FIRED, right? how is that coming and going as you please?

the drama is real. did you see Lindsey's daughter's IG post last night? "Fleetwood Mac isn’t Fleetwood Mac without you #prouddaughter"

she was responding to and liking people's outpours of love and support. she confirmed he was fired. Lindsey's brother also commented on her post.

many fans have heard this boiling (and didn't wanna believe it!) for the last 2 months.

[bombaysaffires]

if they were just not touring with him why would you say "we wish him all the best". You might say, "we wish him all the best and look forward to seeing where we go after the tour" or "we look forward to what the future brings" or something

I mean they aren't going to go out and bond with two new guys and then kick them out after the tour.....

I was thinking of the sh&t ton of money Lindsey loses out on by not doing this tour. And think of how much more some other people will get, because they are surely not going to cut Mike or the Finn guy in on a percentage, they'll get a salary of some kind.

So Stevie gets to do whatever solo music she wants (guarantee they'll do Stop Draggin with Mike there... and she'll get to tell a long story about Tom) and she'll get more money. She can't take it with her......

I can't help wishing the McVies weren't so damned British and would have more bollocks

[Morgana]

This is an interesting tidbit.....Lindsey has his house up for sale: This was posted here in Jan. Just something to think on.

http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/hot-property/la-fi-hotprop-lindsey-buckingham-20180115-story.html

[bombaysaffires]

This is an interesting tidbit.....Lindsey has his house up for sale: This was posted here in Jan. Just something to think on.

http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/hot-property/la-fi-hotprop-lindsey-buckingham-20180115-story.html

that's not his personal house. that's a house he and his wife bought specifically for her to renovate and decorate and then sell, i.e. as part of her business. they've never lived in it and are still living where they've been living for years.

that said, she spent 4 years tearing down and rebuilding and then decorating it. that's a mega load of carrying costs for 4 years..... and they recoup nothing till they sell it.

[HomerMcvie]

I am done they are officially dead to me. And we all know who’s fault it is don’t we? Boycott!!!

Yep. Same here. At this point, when they're all so close to death, it's absolutely RIDICULOUS to do this to their brand. They could have ridden into the sunset shining like gold. But instead, they ride out looking like cheap whores.

F*ck the lot of them. Christine included. I'm done with their stupid asses.

[secondhandchain]

Yep. Same here. At this point, when they're all so close to death, it's absolutely RIDICULOUS to do this to their brand. They could have ridden into the sunset shining like gold. But instead, they ride out looking like cheap whores.

F*ck the lot of them. Christine included. I'm done with their stupid asses.

It seems like they just make sh#t up to sell tickets. "He told me I can never leave the band again". This is a disgrace and I hope this tour flops VERY badly. I am going to be writing on social media when they advertise warning people about this fake band. The only person I might consider seeing is Lindsey solo, IF i hear he was wrongly thrown out. THIS SUCKS I have zero interest in seeing this cover band. ZERO!! And I literally can't stand the Chiffonhead anymore. You could see this building with her nasty comments the last few years. DONE!

[GypsySorcerer]

In your dreams ;)
The Bob Welch era has been white washed. They don't talk about it, would not allow him in the Rock N Roll hall of fame, and even removed any mention of him on Behind the Music. They even cut him off the album Heroes are Hard to Find.
There is no way any Bob Welch will be played. Even Lindsey songs wont be played (I don't consider The Chain a Lindsey song). They don't want to sound like a cover band. I am shocked at what people think they are going to play. Someone mentioned on another thread that I'm So Afraid will be played LOL
The worst mistake you can make is trying to imitate the person you are replacing.

Yeah, I'd agree there is little chance of them doing Bob Welch. And even if they did, it would feel quite disingenuous to me, since they (meaning Christine, Mick, and John) kept him out of the Hall and refused to acquisce one iota on that entire issue.

[HomerMcvie]

It seems like they just make sh#t up to sell tickets. "He told me I can never leave the band again". This is a disgrace and I hope this tour flops VERY badly. I am going to be writing on social media when they advertise warning people about this fake band. The only person I might consider seeing is Lindsey solo, IF i hear he was wrongly thrown out. THIS SUCKS I have zero interest in seeing this cover band. ZERO!! And I literally can't stand the Chiffonhead anymore. You could see this building with her nasty comments the last few years. DONE!
Same. I'll be leaving bad reviews left and right.

And even though I firmly believe it's Stevie's fault, I'm MOSTLY pissed at Christine, for allowing this to happen. After all the love I saw last year, I'm ASHAMED of her for not walking away with him. Zero class. Just a bunch of whores, they are.

The band of MY LIFE died yesterday. I'm mourning, and angry as f*ck.

[GypsySorcerer]

How do they f*ck this up, at this point in their careers? Some will always see them as milquetoast soft rock, but their legacy has been building over the past several years and now they undermine that with this ridiculous move. Good lord, being a fan of this band is absolutely maddening.

[fleetwoodguy79]

Same. I'll be leaving bad reviews left and right.

And even though I firmly believe it's Stevie's fault, I'm MOSTLY pissed at Christine, for allowing this to happen. After all the love I saw last year, I'm ASHAMED of her for not walking away with him. Zero class. Just a bunch of whores, they are.

The band of MY LIFE died yesterday. I'm mourning, and angry as f*ck.

I’m with you and feel what you feel. Many have no idea what this band did for my life (I don’t believe I’d still be here without them) and that’s substantially due to Lindsey.

It’s all still too surreal for me to process...

[Street_Dreamer]

Fleetwood Mac has had more changes in personnel than any band in history. I understand that. What gets me is the timing of this. Fleetwood Mac's time as a band is limited. There are probably a handful of years that the band can keep going.

Lindsey mentioned in one of the documentaries on Fleetwood Mac about there being a thread between the start with Peter Green, to Bob Welch to he and Stevie. Post 1987 and the additions of Billy, Rick and later Bekka and Dave, Fleetwood Mac had potential to go to new territories like the band's previous incarnations. Regardless of how you feel about Behind The Mask or Time, Fleetwood Mac still had so much to give musically. Adding two new members to the band at this stage is so insulting to me. It feels soulless and wrong. I would have zero problem if Billy, Rick, Bekka, Dave or another previous member were in on the point of this band's life.

I get sad when I think how Bob Welch never got a proper farewell with the band. Without him, Fleetwood Mac never enjoys the success they had after Bob stepped away. I feel the same way about this situation. In the grand scheme of things, my opinion and feelings on this matter mean absolutely nothing. I just feel so sad and so disappointed. This band will always be a huge part of my life. I guess that's why this hurts so much.

[iamnotafraid]

How do they f*ck this up, at this point in their careers?

At This Point In Their Careers
That's the key point I think. They'd finally
got past the fake band from BTM and Time.
Even to the point they were being respected
again. No small feat for a mostly pop band.
Now this?

I almost started a ways to make them pay
thread. With the power of the internet, it
could be done. It would almost be fun.

[HomerMcvie]

I also agree that if Billy, Rick, Bekka or Dave(yuk) came back, it would ALMOST be palatable. Well, more than Fleetwood's Crowded House. Insert vomit emoticon.

[secondhandchain]

Let's be honest, they picked those two in hoping that the both of them could carry their fan base with them to sell tickets. Thinking they would fill the void left by people upset with Lindsey being FIRED and not buying tickets. It's ALL about the CASH with those two and nothing more. That's one of the reasons Billy B wasn't asked. It's sickening, and NO art is involved. I don't think Mickhuster had any idea of how angry fans would be this time.

[HomerMcvie]

Let's be honest, they picked those two in hoping that the both of them could carry their fan base with them to sell tickets. Thinking they would fill the void left by people upset with Lindsey being FIRED and not buying tickets. It's ALL about the CASH with those two and nothing more. That's one of the reasons Billy B wasn't asked. It's sickening, and NO art is involved. I don't think Mickhuster had any idea of how angry fans would be this time.
That's because Mick Fleetwood is a complete, blooming, f*cking IDIOT. He has a musical sense, but is completely lacking anything in the common sense department. I'm amazed that he remembers to breathe.

[secondhandchain]

That's because Mick Fleetwood is a complete, blooming, f*cking IDIOT. He has a musical sense, but is completely lacking anything in the common sense department. I'm amazed that he remembers to breathe.

Just found out about this today and my anger grows. How could they go out like freaking THIS?????? They should have just let if go. Embarrassing cash grab tour?

[HomerMcvie]

Just found out about this today and my anger grows. How could they go out like freaking THIS?????? They should have just let if go. Embarrassing cash grab tour?

It's a HORRIBLE, EMBARRASSING ending to what was one of the biggest bands in the world.

I hope that Stevie and Mick are happy. Dumb f*cks...

[LB Freakazoid]

Guessing by my screen name, ya might guess just how disappointing the latest news is...

So - excuse me for my ramblings.

In the dream of dreams - the FM of Rumours and Tusk will never be again. Carly Simon once said of insane success, "it's a one time experience, in a bubble, never to repeat, it's that special" - or something like that.

This whole thing feels driven by a deep mourning - of Tom Petty - by Stevie.
She's done this before, i.e. her marriage to her best friend's husband. She's admitted to talking him into marriage and then realizing what a huge mistake it was. Now, we have Tom P's friend and music collaborator, Mike Campbell. Both of them grieving. Somehow, I think, she said the right word at the wrong time to him. Then we have the fact that TP'S death announced on Lindsey's birthday!?!!
I sense a bit of realing and trying to "connect the dots" moments in SN reasoning, setting what we heard yesterday into motion.

It's just crappy - I'm being nice there - what they did to Lindsey. Stevie, in outright gunning for him for whatever her reasons, Mick in his leech-like tendencies towards money, John on his complacenties, and... Christine.... I'm more disappointed in her. I gotta feelin, she ain't going to enjoy this tour. Her conscience might get to her.

On the plus side :) I get to see Lindsey center stage, minimum 4th row! I get to hear only the songs I REALLY like! And I won't go broke! PLUS, the new songs!
Total heaven ....

Bring it on Lindsey! I'm soooo ready!

So sorry the 'five fireflies' couldn't survive and do it right. I really am.

[johnnystorms]

Yep. Same here. At this point, when they're all so close to death, it's absolutely RIDICULOUS to do this to their brand. They could have ridden into the sunset shining like gold. But instead, they ride out looking like cheap whores.

F*ck the lot of them. Christine included. I'm done with their stupid asses.

Does that mean we no longer have to read your misogynistic tag degrading Stevie?

[Macfan4life]

Another thing that irks me is the pressure from concert promoters for a summer tour. They could have given Lindsey May and June and part of July to solo tour. The band could have rehearsed and been ready for a Labor Day tour opener. All this drama and making the last Mac tour a mix of Crowded House and Heartbreakers? You sacrifice your brand so a tour can start 2 months earlier? It amazes me. This is how you end your legacy? No one cared Stevie was off touring Australia and kept extending her tour. Then Stevie wanted 3 months off (deservingly so). But somehow Lindsey is the bad guy here.
This is NOT like 1987. No comparison. Lindsey left then because of the substance abuser's dysfunction. Lindsey was fired because of wanting to make and play new music.

[rhiannondontgo]

They could have given Lindsey May and June and part of July to solo tour. The band could have rehearsed and been ready for a Labor Day tour opener.

While this is a good point, I doubt it was that simple. This was a really drastic move to take and I can’t imagine them following through with it after all this time unless sh*t really, really hit the fan at an irreparable level. I assume the schedule issue was just the initial spark that started this and that it just kept spreading and getting bigger until the whole damn place was burnt to the ground.
While things are always pretty tense with them, it’s definitely seemed especially bad over the past few years. I mean she endlessly delayed things and then when they finally went out she made it very clear that she wasn’t into the back to back tour situation and didn’t really want to be there. Throw in the fact that it’s now been almost a solid decade of the guys trying to push a new album and being shut down by Stevie every single time. Which then meant Lindsey had to release all his songs on Buckingham McVie and some solo records. Which affects his livelihood considering the vast difference Stevie’s presence causes when it comes to pay scales, visibility, and touring revenue. Meanwhile she’s probably equally bitter and resentful of them for going out and making a duo record without her. Not to mention in the middle of the fm tour (that she didn’t want to do in the first place), she releases her own solo record, attracts a ton of attention for being part of the AHS storyline, and somehow winds up - alone - on the cover of Rolling Stone, which evidently pissed the others off so much that they refused to have any part of it and wouldn’t even acknowledge the interviewer.
With all of that resentment and pettiness towards each other already lingering, I bet the tourdates were just the straw that broke the camel’s back. I’m sure it blossomed into a much bigger fight and everything came to a head and just spiraled downward from there and by the end, the schedule was the least of their problems because they weren’t going to be able to coexist regardless of what month the tour starts. I think their statements since then make this extra clear by flat out saying lindsey is no longer a member and that it’s “final” and “firm”. If this was all over tourdates, they would announce that Lindsey will be sitting out for this tour due to scheduling conflicts. The fact that he’s actually been completely fired from the band tells me that the rift went a whole lot deeper and is much more personal.

[Macfan4life]

While this is a good point, I doubt it was that simple. This was a really drastic move to take and I can’t imagine them following through with it after all this time unless sh*t really, really hit the fan at an irreparable level. I assume the schedule issue was just the initial spark that started this and that it just kept spreading and getting bigger until the whole damn place was burnt to the ground.
While things are always pretty tense with them, it’s definitely seemed especially bad over the past few years. I mean she endlessly delayed things and then when they finally went out she made it very clear that she wasn’t into the back to back tour situation and didn’t really want to be there. Throw in the fact that it’s now been almost a solid decade of the guys trying to push a new album and being shut down by Stevie every single time. Which then meant Lindsey had to release all his songs on Buckingham McVie and some solo records. Which affects his livelihood considering the vast difference Stevie’s presence causes when it comes to pay scales, visibility, and touring revenue. Meanwhile she’s probably equally bitter and resentful of them for going out and making a duo record without her. Not to mention in the middle of the fm tour (that she didn’t want to do in the first place), she releases her own solo record, attracts a ton of attention for being part of the AHS storyline, and somehow winds up - alone - on the cover of Rolling Stone, which evidently pissed the others off so much that they refused to have any part of it and wouldn’t even acknowledge the interviewer.
With all of that resentment and pettiness towards each other already lingering, I bet the tourdates were just the straw that broke the camel’s back. I’m sure it blossomed into a much bigger fight and everything came to a head and just spiraled downward from there and by the end, the schedule was the least of their problems because they weren’t going to be able to coexist regardless of what month the tour starts. I think their statements since then make this extra clear by flat out saying lindsey is no longer a member and that it’s “final” and “firm”. If this was all over tourdates, they would announce that Lindsey will be sitting out for this tour due to scheduling conflicts. The fact that he’s actually been completely fired from the band tells me that the rift went a whole lot deeper and is much more personal.
You know what... I agree. I bet this had nothing to do with new music really. It was the fight about it that just opened up the flood gate of all the drama. Maybe Lindsey was proud of his and Christine's album and wanted to a song. Stevie got pissed and went to Mick wanting to do Stand Back in retaliation. Then Lindsey said no way. Eventually Stevie created Stevie's choice (Sophie's choice). You pick Mick. I will not tour with Lindsey so pick him or me. Mick knew they need Stevie so he picked her.
Lets be real

[lennonfan]

Like so many here I grieve with you all.
I try not to get too passionate about it, but I'll be honest...when I read about this I got sick to my stomach. I felt like this was the end of Fleetwood Mac, a band I've loved for about 45 years now, a band that, in spite of the drama, I've always felt top tier.

Now this.

How they could mess with the legacy in this way, when they're still considered hip by the kiddies, is just beyond my comprehension. Why not just call it a day and everyone 'Go Your Own Way'?

This is even worse than post '87. I consider the classic studio Mac to end then. I pretend non-fab 5 albums not to exist. Still leaves me over a dozen classics.

Short term cash grab at the expense of long term reputation. Pathetic.

[NotonRodeo]

If they really broke up this messily merely over a song or two on the setlist then they are even more hopelessly pathetic than I thought they already were. They don't deserve anyone's loyalty.

[HomerMcvie]

Does that mean we no longer have to read your misogynistic tag degrading Stevie?

I'll post whatever I want, whenever I want, just for you. :]

[Tango]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/04/11/lindsey-buckingham-formerly-of-fleetwood-mac-rocks-biggest-jerk-or-misunderstood-genius/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b6b3b9fd6aeb

The news media is churning all sorts of the drama now: the Davis book, the Harris book, probably Mick's book as well.

[NotonRodeo]

I wonder if and when the late night talk shows or SNL takes this up. If the band's reputation isn't shattered already it soon will be.

[dontlookdown]

everyone the freedom to come and go? what are you talking about???? you did read all these reports that Lindsey was FIRED, right? how is that coming and going as you please?

the drama is real. did you see Lindsey's daughter's IG post last night? "Fleetwood Mac isn’t Fleetwood Mac without you #prouddaughter"

she was responding to and liking people's outpours of love and support. she confirmed he was fired. Lindsey's brother also commented on her post.

many fans have heard this boiling (and didn't wanna believe it!) for the last 2 months.

I didn't say the drama wasn't real. I just see a lot of fans and a lot of the media manufacturing a lot of the drama, and filling in a narrative that none of us were present for. Yes Lindsey chose to not tour, and yes the rest of the band chose to book the tour without him. I'm sure it was really hard and unpleasant, but possibly more amicable than we think. He didn't want to tour, they did. They've always had an open door policy.
Unfortunately the end result has often been cheesy and a little "off-brand" for Fleetwood Mac.
This time is a little different with Mike Campbell on board, but that doesn't make it any less painful.

[elle]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/04/11/lindsey-buckingham-formerly-of-fleetwood-mac-rocks-biggest-jerk-or-misunderstood-genius/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b6b3b9fd6aeb

The news media is churning all sorts of the drama now: the Davis book, the Harris book, probably Mick's book as well.

Yes. And if Mick and Stevie get too pi**ed off about the backlash they are getting, and if it turns out their tour dates aren’t selling, do we think they will play this card and finish Lindsey off? Even though these are at this point allegations, Stevie was always the one holding firmly that there’s no truth to that in their relationship. In the #metoo era they would need much less to bury him and make sure he can never ever work again. Maybe that’s what they were counting on in the first place, at least as a leverage, but gun control issues became more prominent in the meantime.

Mord - sorry to have had to mention political buzz words, but I think they fit in this context and I’m not stating anything pro or against either movement.

[HomerMcvie]

I wonder if and when the late night talk shows or SNL takes this up. If the band's reputation isn't shattered already it soon will be.

I'd bet anything that they'll spoof them this week.

I HOPE THEY DO!

[elle]

lol that was supposed to be mods not autocorrected mord.

[gldstwmn]

you know i was thinking that - THIS what they did now in their 70s is ensuring that FM the movie will be made. because it's crazier than all their drugged out crazy. they don't have the excuse of being young or high now. just greedy but i'm sure the movie will turn it in a tragic exploding relationship between the exes.

like Azoff said on his SiriusXM station about the non-identified band -
it's a special kind of art to watch some of the bands and what people in them do just to torture each other unnecessarily.

or something to that effect. rings true, doesn't it?

The thing is I just don't feel like this is even the ending. Although Stevie did say "the story has a strange ending" and her writing can be eerily prescient about these things. They are all really just mere mortals though and the time is going to run out. I guess I'm still shocked that this happened at this late stage. I really just thought the five of them were going to sail off into the proverbial sunset.
I didn't know Irving Azoff had his own Sirius channel. I really must check it out. That guy has seen it all. I think to be creative people have to experience suffering. I guess it's just a matter of who's suffering. Are you making someone else suffer? And some of them just channel it better than others.

[gldstwmn]

This is an interesting tidbit.....Lindsey has his house up for sale: This was posted here in Jan. Just something to think on.

http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/hot-property/la-fi-hotprop-lindsey-buckingham-20180115-story.html

I don't think so. I think the timing was coincidental and that was a side project for Kristen where he could park some of his enormous wealth and turn a profit. That house was never meant for them to live in. It was a spec house.

[Morgana]

I don't think so. I think the timing was coincidental and that was a side project for Kristen where he could park some of his enormous wealth and turn a profit. That house was never meant for them to live in. It was a spec house.

I remember that now......it was Kristen's project house. Too many cob webs in my mind.

[gldstwmn]

Same. I'll be leaving bad reviews left and right.


More like a psychological profile at this point... the remaining four might want to seek a restraining order on you at this point. :sorry:

[gldstwmn]

Christine.... I'm more disappointed in her. I gotta feelin, she ain't going to enjoy this tour. Her conscience might get to her.



I was thinking along similar lines. So it seems that the band has been a tense, negative place to be as of late. That can't be fun for anybody. And in your late 60's/early 70's who has the energy for that? It can't be good for John's health or for Chris either to come back to that after living in the solitude of the English countryside for so long.

[HomerMcvie]

More like a psychological profile at this point... the remaining four might want to seek a restraining order on you at this point. :sorry:

Ah, how I miss the days of your moderation. We always figured you were drunk, with your late night ramblings... Were you? :woohoo:

You've even been the subject of facebook posts lately, from people who left the ledge years ago, remembering why they left.

[gldstwmn]

Does that mean we no longer have to read your misogynistic tag degrading Stevie?

Oh no! After the decade long Stevie Haterade campaign he almost accomplished his mission. It must be devastating to be so close and then something like this happens and snatches your meme right out from under you and your candidate is suddenly out when he was the odds on favorite. I've sat back and watched this for way too long. Let's start a meme about Stevie and how awful she is and see if we can get some her long time, loyal fans to turn on her. Heck we might even get the Stevie form shut down! I see you Homer. I've seen you this whole time. I must say I'm feeling a bit of Schadenfreude at how this has all turned out for YOU. That's what really has you pissed off isn't it?
Sorry Johnnystorms none of this is directed at you. I just couldn't old it any more. :sorry:

[gldstwmn]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/04/11/lindsey-buckingham-formerly-of-fleetwood-mac-rocks-biggest-jerk-or-misunderstood-genius/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b6b3b9fd6aeb

The news media is churning all sorts of the drama now: the Davis book, the Harris book, probably Mick's book as well.

Well The Post is owned by Amazon which is in the business of selling books. There's no bad publicity as they say.

[HomerMcvie]

While much isn't done about personal attacks on the ledge these days, this is indeed that.

Why don't you just crawl back under your rock?

[gldstwmn]

I remember that now......it was Kristen's project house. Too many cob webs in my mind.

Well he probably needs the money from the house selling a little bit more now. :cool:

[gldstwmn]

Ah, how I miss the days of your moderation. We always figured you were drunk, with your late night ramblings... Were you? :woohoo:
Nope. But I have been battling my old nemesis depression again which is why I haven't put you on blast yet. Hell, this might even help me fight my way back out. :]

You've even been the subject of facebook posts lately, from people who left the ledge years ago, remembering why they left.

I consider it an honour. "With honour be it spoken to understand this light that we carry..."

[gldstwmn]

Why don't you just crawl back under your rock?

I could ask the same of you and your Indiana troll/bot farm. What are their screen names again?
And when you show up in the front row in your goat t shirts exactly how many seats will you require?

[HomerMcvie]

I could ask the same of you and your Indiana troll/bot farm. What are their screen names again?
And when you show up in the front row in your goat t shirts exactly how many seats will you require?

What in the world are you talking about?

Check your meds, honey.

[jbrownsjr]

Will you both chill out... I can't take anymore this week.

Bash each other next week.

You're both vets... Don't make me replace you with the vets over at pettycambell.com

:laugh::laugh:

[Lola]

http://blog.siriusxm.com/irving-azoff-music-industry-power-player-launches-new-show-on-siriusxm-volume/

Here's an article about Irving Azoff's new show on sat radio. The show started on April 4th so we haven't missed too much I don't think

[elle]

http://blog.siriusxm.com/irving-azoff-music-industry-power-player-launches-new-show-on-siriusxm-volume/

Here's an article about Irving Azoff's new show on sat radio. The show started on April 4th so we haven't missed too much I don't think

Talking about Azoff, I would expect him to drop linds like a hot potato now that linds doesn’t carry the commercial value of FM anymore. He probably already did in these last 2 months while all this was unfolding. He might even regret it now with all the backlash. I never understood why LB would be paying big bucks for IA when from the looks of it Azoff did absolutely nothing to advance LB’s career.

[gldstwmn]

What in the world are you talking about?

Check your meds, honey.

Hmm... I'm hungry. I think I'll go get some Chinese food.

[gldstwmn]

Will you both chill out... I can't take anymore this week.

Bash each other next week.

You're both vets... Don't make me replace you with the vets over at pettycambell.com

:laugh::laugh:

As you wish (bows deeply)...

[sodascouts]

Talking about Azoff, I would expect him to drop linds like a hot potato now that linds doesn’t carry the commercial value of FM anymore. He probably already did in these last 2 months while all this was unfolding. He might even regret it now with all the backlash. I never understood why LB would be paying big bucks for IA when from the looks of it Azoff did absolutely nothing to advance LB’s career.

I was wondering about that, too. How does one find out such things?

[bombaysaffires]

I didn't say the drama wasn't real. I just see a lot of fans and a lot of the media manufacturing a lot of the drama, and filling in a narrative that none of us were present for. Yes Lindsey chose to not tour, and yes the rest of the band chose to book the tour without him. I'm sure it was really hard and unpleasant, but possibly more amicable than we think. He didn't want to tour, they did. They've always had an open door policy.
Unfortunately the end result has often been cheesy and a little "off-brand" for Fleetwood Mac.
This time is a little different with Mike Campbell on board, but that doesn't make it any less painful.

Not the story that's been told. He was planning to tour with them, but was possibly planning to work solo gigs in between band gigs. He may also have had some disagreements about the material for the band gigs.

The story we're hearing is that it was Stevie who said, I can't work with him anymore. You guys decide-- do you want me, or him? And the band did the math and picked her, and told him he was out.

[AliP]

Honestly, I don't know why Lindsey would use the same excuse of working on solo material and wants to postpone the tour. I remember he said that in 1987 and how many years was it that he released Out of the Cradle? Like 3-4? They are not spring chickens. I guess I just don't see why he couldn't have put that on hold. Also, regarding playing new songs - so they did that on the SYW tour, it wasn't bad, in fact, many fans enjoyed it. I don't see the harm in adding one or two "new" songs to the mix.

Maybe it's true Stevie said she couldn't work with him anymore. Lindsey always seems like a drama king in everything he says. He's been recycling the same speech for 20 years now and it gets old.

[elle]

Honestly, I don't know why Lindsey would use the same excuse of working on solo material and wants to postpone the tour. I remember he said that in 1987 and how many years was it that he released Out of the Cradle? Like 3-4? They are not spring chickens. I guess I just don't see why he couldn't have put that on hold. Also, regarding playing new songs - so they did that on the SYW tour, it wasn't bad, in fact, many fans enjoyed it. I don't see the harm in adding one or two "new" songs to the mix.

Maybe it's true Stevie said she couldn't work with him anymore. Lindsey always seems like a drama king in everything he says. He's been recycling the same speech for 20 years now and it gets old.
None of what you wrote is probably the case - all of it is a story promulgated by a majority of SN only fans on their boards, though. It’s how they’d like the story to be portrayed, not what actually happened.

[secondhandchain]

All I know is the rumors were correct about his departure. Stevie is finally getting her fantasy in a roundabout way. She has a heartbreaker in HER band. Man how did I go from love to hate in a couple of short years? Oh yeah I know...She’s become insufferable.

[jbrownsjr]

All I know is the rumors were correct about his departure. Stevie is finally getting her fantasy in a roundabout way. She has a heartbreaker in HER band. Man how did I go from love to hate in a couple of short years? Oh yeah I know...She’s become insufferable.

I have the same experience with her. I was actually coming around again... but, the things I've heard.... $he played thi$ very well. Mick is a pimp, it'$ Stevie pulling the strings. People can't and won't see it.

[sue]

I have the same experience with her. I was actually coming around again... but, the things I've heard.... $he played thi$ very well. Mick is a pimp, it'$ Stevie pulling the strings. People can't and won't see it.

This just gets worse, I’m not a lover or hater of Stevie, she’s an integral part of the BAND I love.
But how is Stevie pulling the strings there’s five of them in this band.
You obviously hear a lot more in US than we do in the U.K........

[dontlookdown]

everyone the freedom to come and go? what are you talking about???? you did read all these reports that Lindsey was FIRED, right? how is that coming and going as you please?

the drama is real. did you see Lindsey's daughter's IG post last night? "Fleetwood Mac isn’t Fleetwood Mac without you #prouddaughter"

she was responding to and liking people's outpours of love and support. she confirmed he was fired. Lindsey's brother also commented on her post.

many fans have heard this boiling (and didn't wanna believe it!) for the last 2 months.



Just saw the IG posts.
Guess I was being too fair.

Very sad.

[bwboy]

This just gets worse, I’m not a lover or hater of Stevie, she’s an integral part of the BAND I love.
But how is Stevie pulling the strings there’s five of them in this band.
You obviously hear a lot more in US than we do in the U.K........

Not really... people just hear and say things very freely, and usually they share the story they believe to be true based on who their favorite member is. Stevie fans say one thing, Lindsey fans say another. It appears Lindsey fans are giving Christine and John a pass and are focusing on Stevie, saying pretty much she has manipulated Mick and Mike Campbell.

But really, we know nothing other than FM fired Lindsey. We don't know why, and every 'explanation' on this board is speculation. Hopefully, a more forthcoming explanation from the five people involved will answer our questions, but until then just know that no one here knows why Lindsey was fired.

[gldstwmn]

None of what you wrote is probably the case - all of it is a story promulgated by a majority of SN only fans on their boards, though. It’s how they’d like the story to be portrayed, not what actually happened.
The only official statement is that Lindsey didn't want to tour at this time. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

All I know is the rumors were correct about his departure. Stevie is finally getting her fantasy in a roundabout way. She has a heartbreaker in HER band. Man how did I go from love to hate in a couple of short years? Oh yeah I know...She’s become insufferable.

Propaganda? :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

Stevie fans say one thing, Lindsey fans say another. It appears Lindsey fans are giving Christine and John a pass and are focusing on Stevie, saying pretty much she has manipulated Mick and Mike Campbell.



Christine is being raked over the coals on a few threads and people are referring to John as complacent. Again the official statement only says Lindsey didn't want to tour.

[TrueFaith77]

Christine is being raked over the coals on a few threads and people are referring to John as complacent. Again the official statement only says Lindsey didn't want to tour.



What official statement says this?

[MaryLiz2]

The only official statement is that Lindsey didn't want to tour at this time. :shrug:

Yes. But why let the facts get in the way of a good story? :D

[gldstwmn]

Yes. But why let the facts get in the way of a good story? :D

But, but but... Stevie Nicks is a shrew! :laugh:

[bombaysaffires]

But, but but... Stevie Nicks is a shrew! :laugh:

but, but, Lindsey Buckingham is an a-hole~~ :eek:

[gldstwmn]

What official statement says this?

It didn't take the band long to replace Lindsey ... in a statement provided to TMZ, the group has announced that Mike Campbell (Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers) and Neil Finn (Crowded House) will join the group for the upcoming tour.

As for the Lindsey situation, the statement simply reads, "Lindsey Buckingham will not be performing with the band on this tour. The band wishes Lindsey all the best."

https://www.tmz.com/2018/04/09/fleetwood-mac-guitarist-lindsey-buckingham-leaves-band-farewell-tour/

To clarify it didn't say he didn't want to tour it said he wasn't going to. I'm having a hard time keeping up at this point. :lol:

[gldstwmn]

but, but, Lindsey Buckingham is an a-hole~~ :eek:
He is? I do know that women he has been involved with have said he is abusive. Ken Cailllat says he witnessed that in his book. I don't think he is the same man any more. For a brief shining, moment in the 90's I do think there was an improvement in his relationship with Stevie. Something went horribly wrong with them around Say You Will and I believe whatever relationship they do have as been on the decline ever since. He may be a great guy or he may be a jerk but there's no question in my mind that the relationship between he and Stevie is extremely toxic.

[sodascouts]

As for the Lindsey situation, the statement simply reads, "Lindsey Buckingham will not be performing with the band on this tour. The band wishes Lindsey all the best."

https://www.tmz.com/2018/04/09/fleetwood-mac-guitarist-lindsey-buckingham-leaves-band-farewell-tour/

To clarify it didn't say he didn't want to tour it said he wasn't going to. I'm having a hard time keeping up at this point. :lol:

Understandable... but there's a big difference!

So, does that mean that we actually have no reason to believe that Lindsey didn't want to tour?

[bombaysaffires]

He is? I do know that women he has been involved with have said he is abusive. Ken Cailllat says he witnessed that in his book. I don't think he is the same man any more. For a brief shining, moment in the 90's I do think there was an improvement in his relationship with Stevie. Something went horribly wrong with them around Say You Will and I believe whatever relationship they do have as been on the decline ever since. He may be a great guy or he may be a jerk but there's no question in my mind that the relationship between he and Stevie is extremely toxic.

sorry, I was being sarcastic and showing the other poster how you can take any statement and make it apply to either party.

[ryan4136]

For a brief shining, moment in the 90's I do think there was an improvement in his relationship with Stevie. Something went horribly wrong with them around Say You Will and I believe whatever relationship they do have as been on the decline ever since.

You mean...getting another woman pregnant and marrying her?


I know he loves me
Everyday he calls me
He says he adores me
What can I say?
You can't love him
You can't have him
I do have him
Most of the time
Anywhere we can
Anytime we can
Get away
Get away

[gldstwmn]

Understandable... but there's a big difference!

So, does that mean that we actually have no reason to believe that Lindsey didn't want to tour?
I don't know what to think at this point.

[gldstwmn]

You mean...getting another woman pregnant and marrying her?


No. I don't think they have had an intimate relationship for decades. I think it was professional.

[KenshiMaster16]

She might have been in love with the idea of him wanting her, or the fantasy of it. Cut to him getting married, then cut to the SYW recording process, then cut to the cash grab tours and his need to create and her refusal, then cut to him pairing with Christine (which I dont care what anyone says, I bet it pissed her off at least at first) to now wanting to yet again push the tour back and whatever may have happened in between......

No wonder it went south. There isnt enough room for both their egos. Lindseys has gotten worse with age and Stevie has, at least in my opinion, not been the same since her mother died. I think she grounded her in reality and now that rope is gone.

[elle]

No wonder it went south. There isnt enough room for both their egos. Lindseys has gotten worse with age and Stevie has, at least in my opinion, not been the same since her mother died. I think she grounded her in reality and now that rope is gone.

i wonder what is this based on?

from everything we've seen he's become way more down to earth, grounded person with age.

but when he's in stevie's company, it seems they both can't resist pushing each others' buttons till one of them explodes. she even said that in that 2014 RS interview. and the fact that interview even existed in the middle of the mac tour was her pushing buttons to the max - his and everyone's else's in the band. how did that happen that her publicist was somehow inexplicably publicist for the whole band too? got a call for band interview and turned it to Stevie-only interview? who was hugely egocentric self-serving diva in that case?

[elle]

The only official statement is that Lindsey didn't want to tour at this time. :shrug:

nope. the only official statement is that he will not be touring with them.

not that he didn't want to. he will not be touring with them, because they will not allow it.

[elle]

Christine is being raked over the coals on a few threads and people are referring to John as complacent. Again the official statement only says Lindsey didn't want to tour.

again - your bias is showing.

the official statement only says he will not be touring. very different.

not that he didn't want to.

[elle]

It didn't take the band long to replace Lindsey ... in a statement provided to TMZ, the group has announced that Mike Campbell (Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers) and Neil Finn (Crowded House) will join the group for the upcoming tour.

As for the Lindsey situation, the statement simply reads, "Lindsey Buckingham will not be performing with the band on this tour. The band wishes Lindsey all the best."

https://www.tmz.com/2018/04/09/fleetwood-mac-guitarist-lindsey-buckingham-leaves-band-farewell-tour/

To clarify it didn't say he didn't want to tour it said he wasn't going to. I'm having a hard time keeping up at this point. :lol:

how do you read that as he didn't want to??????????

[TrueFaith77]

nope. the only official statement is that he will not be touring with them.

not that he didn't want to. he will not be touring with them, because they will not allow it.

Thank you for continuing to make this clear!
Lindsey was fired. RIP Fleetwood Mac

[elle]

Understandable... but there's a big difference!

So, does that mean that we actually have no reason to believe that Lindsey didn't want to tour?

exactly.

funny how that works, with people repeating over and over what they want to see, instead of what the fact actually are.

[elle]

Thank you for continuing to make this clear!
Lindsey was fired. RIP Fleetwood Mac

i'm just extremely annoyed with the people insisting on facts in the same breath making up the non-existent statements and selling them as facts.

and didn't mean to jump on you specifically gldstwmn, it's just i've been seeing this crap for like 2 weeks now:

statement: Lindsey is out.
fans: Lindsey that jerk left the band again. we all always knew he's an a**hole.

[HomerMcvie]

exactly.

funny how that works, with people repeating over and over what they want to see, instead of what the fact actually are.

Some people are blind to their fandom. They refuse to call a spade a spade, no matter how damning the evidence.

I lay a huge portion of the blame at the feet of my heroine. Not that I know all the facts, but if she's guilty, she's guilty.

[elle]

Some people are blind to their fandom. They refuse to call a spade a spade, no matter how damning the evidence.

I lay a huge portion of the blame at the feet of my heroine. Not that I know all the facts, but if she's guilty, she's guilty.

i think your heroine is the least guilty in this whole mess. after Lindsey, i feel the worst for her. this is not what she was hoping to get back to. possibly even worse mess than when she left, but now with sober petty old people acting like little children and holding nothing back anymore.

[HomerMcvie]

i think your heroine is the least guilty in this whole mess. after Lindsey, i feel the worst for her. this is not what she was hoping to get back to. possibly even worse mess than when she left, but now with sober petty old people acting like little children and holding nothing back anymore.
I think she should have left with him. I'm angry with her for not doing so. If she said, "kick him out, and I'm gone too". There's NO WAY they could have let that scenario happen!

I was so touched by BV(I cried at both shows I saw), that her not saving the day by standing up for him, makes me think the whole thing was a farce, now.

[KenshiMaster16]

i wonder what is this based on?

from everything we've seen he's become way more down to earth, grounded person with age.

but when he's in stevie's company, it seems they both can't resist pushing each others' buttons till one of them explodes. she even said that in that 2014 RS interview. and the fact that interview even existed in the middle of the mac tour was her pushing buttons to the max - his and everyone's else's in the band. how did that happen that her publicist was somehow inexplicably publicist for the whole band too? got a call for band interview and turned it to Stevie-only interview? who was hugely egocentric self-serving diva in that case?

That. :laugh:

[SteveMacD]

Some people are blind to their fandom. They refuse to call a spade a spade, no matter how damning the evidence.

I lay a huge portion of the blame at the feet of my heroine. Not that I know all the facts, but if she's guilty, she's guilty.
For me, I don’t know enough details about what happened. I doubt any of them would pick splitting up the classic lineup as a first choice. All I do know is Lindsey was visibly unhappy in FM and that there was a bad fight. I wasn’t especially surprised by any of it based solely on what Lindsey has said and from what I’ve seen from the Classic shows. Given a choice, he’d probably just do LB/CM.

I wrote off Stevie years ago and think they made a huge mistake siding with her over Lindsey. I also thought LB/CM should have been credited to Fleetwood Mac.

That said, Neil Finn and Mike Campbell are freaking amazing. They didn’t embarrass themselves this time. I’m intrigued, to say the least.

[HomerMcvie]

For me, I don’t know enough details about what happened. I doubt any of them would pick splitting up the classic lineup as a first choice. All I do know is Lindsey was visibly unhappy in FM and that there was a bad fight. I wasn’t especially surprised by any of it based solely on what Lindsey has said and from what I’ve seen from the Classic shows. Given a choice, he’d probably just do LB/CM.

I wrote off Stevie years ago and think they made a huge mistake siding with her over Lindsey. I also thought LB/CM should have been credited to Fleetwood Mac.

That said, Neil Finn and Mike Campbell are freaking amazing. They didn’t embarrass themselves this time. I’m intrigued, to say the least.
WHY was he unhappy? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

She ruined a once very creative band. And Buck Vie WAS Fleetwood Mac, and should have been labeled as such.

On your last point, we disagree. They're past the point of reinvention. They're old, with their image cemented forever. I think ANY new lineup is a f*cking embarrassment to their legacy. I'm certain that Stevie's EGO would disagree with me.

[dreamsunwind]

WHY was he unhappy? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

She ruined a once very creative band. And Buck Vie WAS Fleetwood Mac, and should have been labeled as such.

On your last point, we disagree. They're past the point of reinvention. They're old, with their image cemented forever. I think ANY new lineup is a f*cking embarrassment to their legacy. I'm certain that Stevie's EGO would disagree with me.

I totally agree with this. People trying to make this better by saying how Fleetwood Mac always was evolving are forgetting the fact that the band is on its very last days. They're in their 70s. It's not like they're going to be making any new albums or going on much tours after this.
The 'image' of the band in the heads of 99% of the general public in 2018 is the Rumours 5 and now they've ruined it.

[Macfan4life]

I totally agree with this. People trying to make this better by saying how Fleetwood Mac always was evolving are forgetting the fact that the band is on its very last days. They're in their 70s. It's not like they're going to be making any new albums or going on much tours after this.
The 'image' of the band in the heads of 99% of the general public in 2018 is the Rumours 5 and now they've ruined it.
Exactly
These new members are only stand ins so their farewell world tour can go on as planned. Not much thought was put into these members. Really anyone could have worked.

[The Catdancer]

Exactly
These new members are only stand ins so their farewell world tour can go on as planned. Not much thought was put into these members. Really anyone could have worked.

Not really. If they would have hired a bunch of nobodies they wouldn't make any money. Now they have Mike Campbell who's very well known in the USA and Neil Finn who's very well known in Australia and New Zealand. They killed 2 birds with one stone.

[Macfan4life]

Not really. If they would have hired a bunch of nobodies they wouldn't make any money. Now they have Mike Campbell who's very well known in the USA and Neil Finn who's very well known in Australia and New Zealand. They killed 2 birds with one stone.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I never knew Crowded House to have a large and loyal following in the states. I cant imagine increased ticket sales because of him. I think most hardcore Heartbreakers fans are dead set against Mike joining Fleetwood Mac. I get it because they are 2 completely different music styles. But you never know.

[button-lip]

You know I can't help but look at your avatar, the pic of LB and CM in their BuckVie photo shoot, and the clips of them making that album, and all the lovey dovey going on throughout... there were Mick and Lindsey hugging and Lindsey saying to Mick "I love you, man" and the back slapping, and all the hugging and kissing with Chris........ Not to even mention the whole BuckVie tour.

And now this.

It just doesn't compute.

Those were sincere words from Lindsey's mouth. Mick and Christine, not at all.

I can only imagine Lindsey's initial shock when they told him he was fired. So much that he tried to get back in. :distress:

[button-lip]

they'll see. Mick issues icy cold statement but still leaves the door cracked just in case tour without him bombs. :p :p

seriously though they said to one of the outlets that their decision is firm and final.

They said that? Well, then, he should make them beg when they come back asking for him. :laugh:

[button-lip]

That's because Mick Fleetwood is a complete, blooming, f*cking IDIOT. He has a musical sense, but is completely lacking anything in the common sense department. I'm amazed that he remembers to breathe.

He's more idiot for pleasing Stevie's wishes. A front woman with a tambourine. The decisions on one of the most important American rock bands in history will now be made by a woman and her tambourine.

How stupid is that? I wonder what she's gonna do when she turns to her left on the stage and find no traces of her musical director for the past 43 years. :mad:

[sodascouts]

I wonder what she's gonna do when she turns to her left on the stage and find no traces of her musical director for the past 43 years. :mad:

I think she might miss him. I hope she does. I hope they all realize this was a horrible mistake and ask him back.

[button-lip]

Does that mean we no longer have to read your misogynistic tag degrading Stevie?

I'm a woman and it's embarrassing for me to share gender with her.

And the abuse/victim card are also getting old....

[HomerMcvie]

I would seriously hope that he would refuse to ever go back.

[button-lip]

I think she might miss him. I hope she does. I hope they all realize this was a horrible mistake and ask him back.

I can only hear to Lindsey's songs on FM right now. I was listening to GYOW this morning. How are they gonna match that energy on stage, I don't know. How are they gonna raise the audience from the seats, I also don't know. It's gonna be worst than a funeral.

[sue]

Those were sincere words from Lindsey's mouth. Mick and Christine, not at all.

I can only imagine Lindsey's initial shock when they told him he was fired. So much that he tried to get back in. :distress:

What if Lindsey kind of angled to get himself fired...
Maybe he didn’t want one huge tour with no new Fleetwood Mac music.
Like he said “close your eyes and take the money” maybe didn’t appeal anymore

He has a new LP waiting for release and he is still the artistic one.
No one knows what exactly went down between FIVE of them (yet)

[Buster]

WHY was he unhappy? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

She ruined a once very creative band. And Buck Vie WAS Fleetwood Mac, and should have been labeled as such.

On your last point, we disagree. They're past the point of reinvention. They're old, with their image cemented forever. I think ANY new lineup is a f*cking embarrassment to their legacy. I'm certain that Stevie's EGO would disagree with me.

Completely agree with you

[button-lip]

I have the same experience with her. I was actually coming around again... but, the things I've heard.... $he played thi$ very well. Mick is a pimp, it'$ Stevie pulling the strings. People can't and won't see it.

Accurate description of what actually happened, whether the chiffonheads want to believe it or not. It's ok though, they'll die worshipping her and thinking that in every thing she does there's a valid reason for it. And a bit of golden dust. And of course, everything she does is because she loves them.

Awwww, how sweet is that? :laugh::laugh:

[gldstwmn]

i wonder what is this based on?

from everything we've seen he's become way more down to earth, grounded person with age.

but when he's in stevie's company, it seems they both can't resist pushing each others' buttons till one of them explodes. she even said that in that 2014 RS interview. and the fact that interview even existed in the middle of the mac tour was her pushing buttons to the max - his and everyone's else's in the band. how did that happen that her publicist was somehow inexplicably publicist for the whole band too? got a call for band interview and turned it to Stevie-only interview? who was hugely egocentric self-serving diva in that case?

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[button-lip]

What if Lindsey kind of angled to get himself fired...
Maybe he didn’t want one huge tour with no new Fleetwood Mac music.
Like he said “close your eyes and take the money” maybe didn’t appeal anymore

He has a new LP waiting for release and he is still the artistic one.
No one knows what exactly went down between FIVE of them (yet)

If he tried to get back in the band once he was fired, he clearly wasn't trying to get fired...

If you're waiting to know what went down between the FIVE of them, that will never happen, but we know that only TWO of them (not Christine and John) forced tour promoters to choose between Lindsey and Stevie. That's a fact. And you don't get to that point without a previous fight.

[button-lip]

nope. the only official statement is that he will not be touring with them.

not that he didn't want to. he will not be touring with them, because they will not allow it.

It's nicer to say he didn't want to. :lol:

Everybody knows Lindsey was the driving force behing FM. To even suggest he didn't want to tour is ridiculous, even for Stevie's fans. They know it but they still go on with their "we don't know anything for sure/he wanted to go" theory. It's useless. You, me and many others here know what happened.

And his family confirmed it. :thumbsup:

[button-lip]

I think she should have left with him. I'm angry with her for not doing so. If she said, "kick him out, and I'm gone too". There's NO WAY they could have let that scenario happen!

I was so touched by BV(I cried at both shows I saw), that her not saving the day by standing up for him, makes me think the whole thing was a farce, now.

Agree. No matter what loyalty you may have to Mick. If he was wrong firing Lindsey just because Stevie gave him an ultimatum, he was wrong, and she should have stepped up and speak. And yet... :shocked:

[sue]

If he tried to get back in the band once he was fired, he clearly wasn't trying to get fired...

If you're waiting to know what went down between the FIVE of them, that will never happen, but we know that only TWO of them (not Christine and John) forced tour promoters to choose between Lindsey and Stevie. That's a fact. And you don't get to that point without a previous fight.


Right, hadn’t heard that he tried to get back..
That throws a different light, naturally.

[Feather Blade]

Right, hadn’t heard that he tried to get back..
That throws a different light, naturally.

Is this based on anything other than an passing comment someone made that there MAY be a lawsuit of some sort going on presently?

[sue]

Is this based on anything other than an passing comment someone made that there MAY be a lawsuit of some sort going on presently?

You’d have to ask ButtonLip....I was just replying to their statement.

[button-lip]

Is this based on anything other than an passing comment someone made that there MAY be a lawsuit of some sort going on presently?

Why does it has to be a passing comment? Many people have known for two months this was coming. Were they wrong? No. So do they have to be wrong with the rest of the story? I don't think so.

[jeets2000]

On your last point, we disagree. They're past the point of reinvention. They're old, with their image cemented forever. I think ANY new lineup is a f*cking embarrassment to their legacy. I'm certain that Stevie's EGO would disagree with me.

Right, and the thing that's so frustrating about this "reinvention" narrative is that it implies they're still a band that creates music. They are not and haven't been for some time now, and that (I have no doubt) was at the root of this "disagreement" that led to Lindsey's firing.

[NotonRodeo]

Why does it has to be a passing comment? Many people have known for two months this was coming. Were they wrong? No. So do they have to be wrong with the rest of the story? I don't think so.

I personally was rather shocked to find out on Twitter that this news has been circulating in the FM community for that long. If it's two months that means the blow up must then have happened at MusiCares or soon after.

[Feather Blade]

Why does it has to be a passing comment? Many people have known for two months this was coming. Were they wrong? No. So do they have to be wrong with the rest of the story? I don't think so.

So an official source has stated that Lindsey is/was trying to get back into the band somehow? Can you clarify your earlier comment? I'm confused. Thanks...

[gldstwmn]

So an official source has stated that Lindsey is/was trying to get back into the band somehow? Can you clarify your earlier comment? I'm confused. Thanks...

It's complete bulls&&it.

[gldstwmn]

how do you read that as he didn't want to??????????
I wasn't being disingenuous. I literally can't keep up. This isn't the only thing I have going on in my life. :laugh: Call me when it's over. :cool:

[richardmac]

I'm so glad I saw them on the two occasions I did, 1980 Tusk tour and 2015. Why would anyone be interested in seeing a line up with 2 new members at this stage in their career. I wish they'd have just retired with dignity and kept their legacy intact. Personally, for me Fleetwood Mac ended with that great 2015 tour. That would have been a fitting end. The new album we all hoped for should have happened too (thanks Stevie!), but now this news seems very sad for the fans who have followed them for 40 years or so. I wish they'd all see sense and bow out gracefully!

[secondhandchain]

I personally was rather shocked to find out on Twitter that this news has been circulating in the FM community for that long. If it's two months that means the blow up must then have happened at MusiCares or soon after.

His daughter who WAS there was posting glowing things on Instagram about Stevie the day after Musicares. I doubt it happened there.

[Lola]

I wish I knew more about the Musicares "fight" or whatever. When I watched a live stream of the event I thought it was great and I liked what LB said about love under the dysfunction. Stevie mostly talked about Tom Petty but ok, I figured she's say something about him. What the hell could have been so bad?!

[NotonRodeo]

I must say I'm confused. After reading all these threads, then FB, Twitter, and IG I haven't a clue about what actually happened, and the more I read the less I understand. :sorry: So if y'all don't mind I'd just like to ask some questions?

a. If the fight wasn't at Musicares then when did it happen? What was it about? Is it true it was about Lindsey's solo album, or is that just a face-saving tale to cover up the rather unpalatable truth, which must be really petty?

b. Did Mick actually conduct a poll of producers to see who they would prefer? If so, did he really expect them to side with Lindsey, when they know Stevie can fill more seats? Was this a tactic to slough off responsibility to someone else besides him?

c. Is there a lawsuit pending? Did Lindsey try to force the band to retain him? In other words, did he try to fight back?

I know given this band's tenuous relationship with the truth the facts will never be known, but a general summary would be nice :)

[gldstwmn]

His daughter who WAS there was posting glowing things on Instagram about Stevie the day after Musicares. I doubt it happened there.

I doubt they would fight in front of Lindsey's children.

[bwboy]

I must say I'm confused. After reading all these threads, then FB, Twitter, and IG I haven't a clue about what actually happened, and the more I read the less I understand. :sorry: So if y'all don't mind I'd just like to ask some questions?

a. If the fight wasn't at Musicares then when did it happen? What was it about? Is it true it was about Lindsey's solo album, or is that just a face-saving tale to cover up the rather unpalatable truth, which must be really petty?

b. Did Mick actually conduct a poll of producers to see who they would prefer? If so, did he really expect them to side with Lindsey, when they know Stevie can fill more seats? Was this a tactic to slough off responsibility to someone else besides him?

c. Is there a lawsuit pending? Did Lindsey try to force the band to retain him? In other words, did he try to fight back?

I know given this band's tenuous relationship with the truth the facts will never be known, but a general summary would be nice :)

NotonRodeo, those are all great questions that we would all love to know the answers to, and I'm certain we'll hear at least two different versions soon. But if anyone on this message board tries to answer your questions, just remember that they have no way of knowing and are engaging in pure speculation. I really want to hear what Lindsey has to say, not what posters here say they think happened.

[lilyfee]

I must say I'm confused. After reading all these threads, then FB, Twitter, and IG I haven't a clue about what actually happened, and the more I read the less I understand. :sorry: So if y'all don't mind I'd just like to ask some questions?

a. If the fight wasn't at Musicares then when did it happen? What was it about? Is it true it was about Lindsey's solo album, or is that just a face-saving tale to cover up the rather unpalatable truth, which must be really petty?

b. Did Mick actually conduct a poll of producers to see who they would prefer? If so, did he really expect them to side with Lindsey, when they know Stevie can fill more seats? Was this a tactic to slough off responsibility to someone else besides him?

c. Is there a lawsuit pending? Did Lindsey try to force the band to retain him? In other words, did he try to fight back?

I know given this band's tenuous relationship with the truth the facts will never be known, but a general summary would be nice :)

I agree with you 100%... All of these questions NEED ANSWERS!:laugh:

As I understand it, there have been rumors about ongoing conflicts delaying the upcoming tour for the past few months. We don't know the circumstances of Lindsey's dismissal/firing, however several news outlets are reporting that he either left or was fired by Mick after he wanted to push the FM world tour for his solo album and/or tour.

Lindsey's daughter, Leelee, posted an instagram message when the news broke, saying something to the effect of "There's no Fleetwood Mac without you [Lindsey]. #prouddaughter." Fans have interpreted this to mean that Lindsey was, in fact, fired from the band, especially since Leelee has publicly liked fan messages of support for Lindsey that also criticize Stevie and/or Mick.

Regarding Lindsey fighting back, I read a previous poster's comment to mean that since Lindsey rejoined the band after leaving before, he was in for good this time and would not leave again of his own volition. Not that he was actively trying to get back in the band right now. As far as I can tell, the Lindsey lawsuit and Mick and/or Stevie and/or Stevie's management forcing tour promotors to choose between Stevie and Lindsey are just fan speculation at this time.

--
As I've said in numerous other posts, I don't see any incentive - financially or otherwise - for Stevie to have Lindsey thrown out of the band. Her entire narrative on tour, from the scripted interactions with Lindsey during certain songs, to her long Gypsy speech, to turning her microphone towards him during Silver Springs, revolves around their "love affair" onstage relationship.

And even if Stevie just wanted the spotlight (meaning she wants to change the going through the motions/"cash cow" script mentioned above), surely even she would know that Fleetwood Mac would sell more, and higher priced, tickets, with the classic lineup. So if she's just plain financially greedy that doesn't make sense to me either. Maybe someone can flesh out the anti-Stevie conspiracies.

For now, all I can guess is that tempers flared over something petty, as you suggested, NotonRodeo, and some kind of ultimatum was issued by either Mick or Lindsey.

[button-lip]

I personally was rather shocked to find out on Twitter that this news has been circulating in the FM community for that long. If it's two months that means the blow up must then have happened at MusiCares or soon after.

;)

So an official source has stated that Lindsey is/was trying to get back into the band somehow? Can you clarify your earlier comment? I'm confused. Thanks...

Same source/s that confirmed the blow up and the disagreement on the FM tour dates vs. solo tour dates. Was trying. I don't know if he is now.

[Lola]

;)



Same source/s that confirmed the blow up and the disagreement on the FM tour dates vs. solo tour dates. Was trying. I don't know if he is now.

Do you mean Joe Compton on the Mike Campbell Facebook fan page? What a travesty this is. I never thought Chris would come back and we'd get a BuckVie album. This is so drastic--if anyone had told me that LB would be fired in 2018 I would have said no way in hell.

[Angel75]

And his family confirmed it. :thumbsup:

I follow LeeLee on Instagram, but I'm just being nosey where did she/ the family confirm it exactly?

[button-lip]

I follow LeeLee on Instagram, but I'm just being nosey where did she/ the family confirm it exactly?

Lindsey's brother, Jeff, posted a comment on Leelee's post, saying that what happened was ridiculous, and that they were moving on to better things.

[justcrazylove]

Is anyone else sick at the thought of listening to Fleetwood Mac atm? I've had solo Linds on repeat, i just cant bring myself to listen to the band. I can't even listen to Buckingham/McVie or any GOS tracks with Mick and John. Still just so angry.

[sodascouts]

Is anyone else sick at the thought of listening to Fleetwood Mac atm? I've had solo Linds on repeat, i just cant bring myself to listen to the band. I can't even listen to Buckingham/McVie or any GOS tracks with Mick and John. Still just so angry.

I've been doing the opposite - playing his music with the Mac and grieving that I won't ever hear it live again. I've got my iPod playlist set to Lindsey solo and Fleetwood Mac / BN songs where Lindsey sings lead, and that's what I've been playing constantly.

[Lola]

Is anyone else sick at the thought of listening to Fleetwood Mac atm? I've had solo Linds on repeat, i just cant bring myself to listen to the band. I can't even listen to Buckingham/McVie or any GOS tracks with Mick and John. Still just so angry.

I had a day off from work yesterday. It was 60 degrees here in Illinois where winter never ends. I spent the entire day watching youtube videos: Destiny Rules, some BuckVie clips and full OWTS shows--one from Cologne, Germany I watched twice. Video after video. I can't believe I'll never see the 5 play live together ever again.

[Storms123]

The more I think about it, this just wreaks of Mick. He's been sitting idle too long and needs to get out on the road. After the rest of the band got out of town after Music Cares, he hung around to attend the Grammys. Bit of a hanger on. Too much of Stevie's history (and gothic trunk of lost songs) is wrapped in Lindsey. She has severe mentionitis where he is concerned. She may bite her tongue off before the first show on this tour because she can't mention him. It could be fun to watch, but I won't be paying for it.
I am a huge fan of this band and everyone in it, but not gonna lie, can't listen to their stuff right now. Hurts too much.
If this is how they "go out" legacy beyond tainted.

[GypsySorcerer]

I've been doing the opposite - playing his music with the Mac and grieving that I won't ever hear it live again. I've got my iPod playlist set to Lindsey solo and Fleetwood Mac / BN songs where Lindsey sings lead, and that's what I've been playing constantly.

Seeing your avatar with Lindsey solo is certainly different. I'm so used to the BN one. :(

I've been listening to Lindsey solo only. It's depressing to think it's really over for my favorite band, ever. :(

[sodascouts]

Seeing your avatar with Lindsey solo is certainly different. I'm so used to the BN one. :(



Yeah - I've had that same BN avatar for over a decade, but right now... it didn't seem appropriate. :(

[button-lip]

Is anyone else sick at the thought of listening to Fleetwood Mac atm? I've had solo Linds on repeat, i just cant bring myself to listen to the band. I can't even listen to Buckingham/McVie or any GOS tracks with Mick and John. Still just so angry.

Solo Linds and Lindsey's songs on FM only. No BM for me, no SN for me and no FM for me.

Yeah - I've had that same BN avatar for over a decade, but right now... it didn't seem appropriate. :(

I still have to change my avatar here, but I changed my profile and pics on Twitter and FB. :mad: