The Death of the Ledge? Open letter to Admins and Owner

[AnthonyMI]

What is happening? I am putting this here so more people see it.

Ive been coming hereon and off since I was 17, back in 1997 when The Mac came BACK from the dead. NOW things are not so good here and I can't find a Contact on the main site anymore for the owner of this site.

The Ads or Popups are out of control. it is Literally killing this board. Is it malicious spam from Asia trying to install back doors and worms on peoples computers? I am on a MAC so I am unaffected by such things, but is that really how to run a website?

For over a month I could not even get on to check this site until I installed several Popup and Ad blockers. Other people have said the same thing. Some people are willing to wait the EONS it takes to SOMETIMES get onto the site and read and post.

The traffic drop is obvious. Few new posts. Fewer people browsing.

This site is DYING. the writing is on the wall. People will go elsewhere for their NicksFix and MacAttacks. Facebook... wherever.

I have posted about the problem a couple times in other threads on Chit Chat and so far nobody seems to have addressed the problem.

Please Address this problem and save this website, the historical information and messages for FUTURE ledgies.

[vivfox]

My best advice is to just hang in there. The new owner seems to be an anonymous source. Traffic will pick up again when Lindsey starts his tour and when FM begin the rehearsals for their upcoming world tour.

[sue]

My best advice is to just hang in there. The new owner seems to be an anonymous source. Traffic will pick up again when Lindsey starts his tour and when FM begin the rehearsals for their upcoming world tour.



I’d like to think this will be so....but I’m not sure.
I don’t long on as often...it takes too long.
Eventually I’ll cut right down till log-on speed is back to normal...
It’s too much hassle....😢😢😢😢
As you say we will look elsewhere...

[HomerMcvie]

And, it IS what it is.

Free sites like FB have taken a big toll on band sites.

So, if the new owner bought it only to sell ad space, there's absolutely nothing we can do about it(unless you want to make him an offer for the site - it might be far less than it would've been a decade ago[well, that's guaranteed]). But again, if the OWNER doesn't give AF, crying isn't going to get us anywhere....

[Macfan4life]

I thought about posting something like this several weeks ago. Traffic and posts are way down on the site. Do the moderators have any contact with the owner? The site is slowly dying.

[FuzzyPlum]

My best advice is to just hang in there. The new owner seems to be an anonymous source. Traffic will pick up again when Lindsey starts his tour and when FM begin the rehearsals for their upcoming world tour.


I fear any pick-up in traffic will be short-lived. Realistically this will be the last FM tour. I'm sure there'll be some Ledge discussion then but after that's done....:eek:

I wonder how much it costs to maintain such a site (not for profit)????

[button-lip]

I thought about posting something like this several weeks ago. Traffic and posts are way down on the site. Do the moderators have any contact with the owner? The site is slowly dying.

Like vivfox said, posts will become more frequent once Lindsey's and FM's tours start.

I'd hate for this site to die. I know many will be more than happy. :rolleyes:

[button-lip]

I wonder how much it costs to maintain such a site (not for profit)????

I was wondering the same thing, but it seems like nobody cares, so what's the point?

I'm wondering too if suscriptions will still be automatically renewed, given than nobody seems to be in charge. :shrug:

[Macfan4life]

Like vivfox said, posts will become more frequent once Lindsey's and FM's tours start.

I'd hate for this site to die. I know many will be more than happy. :rolleyes:
I think you are missing the point I was making. Lack of interest has nothing to do with the number of posts going down. Its the access to the site. When I just logged in it took 1:22 for the site to load. Many don't have such patience to read and post on a site that seems to be bogged down or offline when you try to access it. It seems to be getting worse IMHO.

[FuzzyPlum]

I think you are missing the point I was making. Lack of interest has nothing to do with the number of posts going down. Its the access to the site. When I just logged in it took 1:22 for the site to load. Many don't have such patience to read and post on a site that seems to be bogged down or offline when you try to access it. It seems to be getting worse IMHO.


Surely it's a bit of both though. The Ledge is never going to have the sort of active membership it may have once had due to other social media options. Interest picked up a bit at various times over the past year with various releases and tours etc. However, even then participation hasn't been great. It will pick up again over the next year when aforementioned activities take place. Traffic has, and will continue to be affected due to the load times, but even if there were no advertising at all there still wouldn't be huge numbers coming here.

(I've only been a member for a couple of years- long after its heyday). But in my opinion The Ledge has lost contributors due to;

1) Proliferation of other social media forums
2) It's not always a nice place to discuss things
3) Long load times

In that order of relevence

[button-lip]

I think you are missing the point I was making. Lack of interest has nothing to do with the number of posts going down. Its the access to the site. When I just logged in it took 1:22 for the site to load. Many don't have such patience to read and post on a site that seems to be bogged down or offline when you try to access it. It seems to be getting worse IMHO.

I'm not missing the point. If you have lost interest, you don't wait 1:22 for the site to load and you don't post. I can wait forever because I haven't lost interest and because I xan do other things while waiting.

But like FuzzyPlum said, many have also lost interest because they feel attacked or they feel their beloved band member is being attacked. :rolleyes:

[iamnotafraid]

...But in my opinion The Ledge has lost contributors due to;

1) Proliferation of other social media forums
2) It's not always a nice place to discuss things
3) Long load times

In that order of relevence

1. Lack of Rusty.

(slight correction)

I know Michele misses him.

[Macfan4life]

Let me be (even more) clear. I log into this site EVERY DAY even with the ridiculous long waits. However there are times I do give up especially on my phone. It just will not load on my phone. I have noticed that since these problems there have been a decline in posts. Many posted this months ago and they left. As someone that comes here every day I see this. There are days now with no one posting a thing. That never happened before. Usually there is at least a new thread or someone commenting on an old thread. I just don't buy the coincidence that this decline just happened the same time the site was sold and went under attack. I still come here EVERY DAY, multiple times a day. The fans here are very seasoned and better than any other site. There is not a lack of interest. There is more Mac material lately than ever. We just came off one of the biggest years eve. I have given up coming here a few times because of the wait and that is coming from someone who probably spends WAY too much time here. I don't get defensive in needing to defend the site. I also don't believe for a second there is a better Mac site out there who has better followers.

[secondhandchain]

I put a free ad blocker on my computer...no problems now.

[AnthonyMI]

Let me be (even more) clear. I log into this site EVERY DAY even with the ridiculous long waits. However there are times I do give up especially on my phone. It just will not load on my phone. I have noticed that since these problems there have been a decline in posts. Many posted this months ago and they left. As someone that comes here every day I see this. There are days now with no one posting a thing. That never happened before. Usually there is at least a new thread or someone commenting on an old thread. I just don't buy the coincidence that this decline just happened the same time the site was sold and went under attack. I still come here EVERY DAY, multiple times a day. The fans here are very seasoned and better than any other site. There is not a lack of interest. There is more Mac material lately than ever. We just came off one of the biggest years eve. I have given up coming here a few times because of the wait and that is coming from someone who probably spends WAY too much time here. I don't get defensive in needing to defend the site. I also don't believe for a second there is a better Mac site out there who has better followers.


I visit often On my iPhone as well. There were times I could not get the site to load at all. Time out errors. I finally broke down and installed a ad block and pop up blocker App and like on the desktop it solved the problem. People who are smart enough to have such Programs on their computers and iPhones will still be able to use this site but many people won’t bother coming here at all.

[elle]

My best advice is to just hang in there. The new owner seems to be an anonymous source. Traffic will pick up again when Lindsey starts his tour and when FM begin the rehearsals for their upcoming world tour.

no.

no band activity will make it come back. because however much people might be interested, unless they install pop-up blockers on their mac devices and phones, they cannot even access the site. and on other devices, loading is incredibly slow and then it times out.

there's band activity right now. tons of performers plus Bill Clinton added to MusiCares as a presenter of the award. yet the site is dead. because we cannot even see it.

[elle]

I think you are missing the point I was making. Lack of interest has nothing to do with the number of posts going down. Its the access to the site. When I just logged in it took 1:22 for the site to load. Many don't have such patience to read and post on a site that seems to be bogged down or offline when you try to access it. It seems to be getting worse IMHO.

exactly. and it's not even patience in my case, i just can't see any of the posts but the top one in each forum when on my phone.

[Aussie W/Heart]

Thanks just installed ADBlocker all good now... after months of frustration, thanks for the heads up..

[ricohv]

Well everyone sure makes me glad I don't try to access this site on my phone! With my 5 y.o. laptop, Windows 10, Google Chrome browser I've been able to access the site without any problems, just like I have for years, without any noticeable difference.
As a long time member I will say: the traffic here DOES ebb & flow. Just when you think it's gonna tank another wave of posts and conversations come along. And I'm sure other social media has taken some people away.
I will be REAL SAD if the day comes along when we see the end to the Ledge!:distress::distress::distress:
Ricoh

[becca]

I found a way in through an old link on my old computer but I was unable to load the Ledge properly all this time since whenever I was last on. (Just checked: 01-25-2017, so almost a year ago). Something titled lapi.ebay.com... is where things stop and load no more. Even now I can only load the newest thread listed per each section.

Anyway, I guess I've not been the only one. :shocked:

[Aussie W/Heart]

I found a way in through an old link on my old computer but I was unable to load the Ledge properly all this time since whenever I was last on. (Just checked: 01-25-2017, so almost a year ago). Something titled lapi.ebay.com... is where things stop and load no more. Even now I can only load the newest thread listed per each section.

Anyway, I guess I've not been the only one. :shocked:

Yes i noticed the lapi.ebay.com, i thought it was a bit suss as well.. did you try installing a new add blocker on your PC, or it didn't work? It fixed mine straight away :D

[AnthonyMI]

I found a way in through an old link on my old computer but I was unable to load the Ledge properly all this time since whenever I was last on. (Just checked: 01-25-2017, so almost a year ago). Something titled lapi.ebay.com... is where things stop and load no more. Even now I can only load the newest thread listed per each section.

Anyway, I guess I've not been the only one. :shocked:

This makes sense. What I think is happening is that the Ads are asking for access to secure data and cookies and other personal files on the computers to research your browsing history and refine the content of the specific ads we each see. Something it broken. The other thing that could be wrong is that the portal created by the ads are looking for security vulnerabilities on the system and tryin to get root access. I have worked in IT for 20 years. You can get infected with ad bots and spyware and malicious programs, password recorders and ALL that JUST by loading a JPG ad on a website that is allowing Ads to be posted. The other thing that could be wrong is the code is bad, with redirects upon redirects. Whatever is happening needs an expert in HTML, php

[JohnL]

Surely it's a bit of both though. The Ledge is never going to have the sort of active membership it may have once had due to other social media options. Interest picked up a bit at various times over the past year with various releases and tours etc. However, even then participation hasn't been great. It will pick up again over the next year when aforementioned activities take place. Traffic has, and will continue to be affected due to the load times, but even if there were no advertising at all there still wouldn't be huge numbers coming here.

(I've only been a member for a couple of years- long after its heyday). But in my opinion The Ledge has lost contributors due to;

1) Proliferation of other social media forums
2) It's not always a nice place to discuss things
3) Long load times

In that order of relevence

I agree with this however I would put reason #2 as reason #1. I know of 15-20 folks that used to come here on a daily basis that refuse to come back because of the nastiness that has become The Ledge. It is truly sad...this board was quite the deal when I first joined.

[StreetAngel95]

Surely it's a bit of both though. The Ledge is never going to have the sort of active membership it may have once had due to other social media options. Interest picked up a bit at various times over the past year with various releases and tours etc. However, even then participation hasn't been great. It will pick up again over the next year when aforementioned activities take place. Traffic has, and will continue to be affected due to the load times, but even if there were no advertising at all there still wouldn't be huge numbers coming here.

(I've only been a member for a couple of years- long after its heyday). But in my opinion The Ledge has lost contributors due to;

1) Proliferation of other social media forums
2) It's not always a nice place to discuss things
3) Long load times

In that order of relevence

I have to agree with a lot of this. I took a break from The Ledge while I was in college, but I was on here almost every day back in 2010/11 at the ripe old age of 15. I couldn't see myself doing that now - a lot of bitterness (which is fine, everyone's entitled to their own opinions of course, I just don't think I would have wanted to be around those vibes).

I spend the most of my time now on Twitter. It's much easier to have a conversation because it's all instantaneous. News can spread faster, media is easier to share, and the user interface is better.

That being said, I hope The Ledge continues on. It was how I made some of my first FM friends and found a space for me online where I could actually connect with people. Whether I was ranting about fights I was getting in with my mom or getting into silly discussions about which Lindsey era I loved more, The Ledge was always there for me and I really miss it.

[jbrownsjr]

I have to agree with a lot of this. I took a break from The Ledge while I was in college, but I was on here almost every day back in 2010/11 at the ripe old age of 15. I couldn't see myself doing that now - a lot of bitterness (which is fine, everyone's entitled to their own opinions of course, I just don't think I would have wanted to be around those vibes).

I spend the most of my time now on Twitter. It's much easier to have a conversation because it's all instantaneous. News can spread faster, media is easier to share, and the user interface is better.

That being said, I hope The Ledge continues on. It was how I made some of my first FM friends and found a space for me online where I could actually connect with people. Whether I was ranting about fights I was getting in with my mom or getting into silly discussions about which Lindsey era I loved more, The Ledge was always there for me and I really miss it.

I like your photo!! :nod:

[StreetAngel95]

I like your photo!! :nod:

Why thanks! GoS is probably my most prized piece of my vinyl collection!:thumbsup:

[jbrownsjr]

Why thanks! GoS is probably my most prized piece of my vinyl collection!:thumbsup:

Great album! I love how you worked that other face in there. :lol:

[nicepace]

I use Firefox with an ad blocker and I never see an ad on the Ledge.

I also have a direct link to the forums bookmarked. I never go to the homepage of the site. (Is there a homepage on the site?) I never have to wait to get into the forums page. It's pretty much, click the link, I'm in.

As for Facebook and Twitter, the problem is the superficiality of the "discussion." Here's a typical FB post: "I saw Lindsey & Christine last night and they were awesome." Here on the Ledge you get longer posts, more in depth commentary, MUCH more interesting dialogue.

It is very literally true that the existence of the Ledge (and, before that, the message board on the old Christine site around the time of the release of 'In the Meantime') has sustained my interest in this band. Without having the in depth and thoughtful discussion here, I honestly think my interest in Fleetwood Mac altogether would have waned long ago.

As for the fact that some folks here are a little rude sometimes, are fans really that thin skinned that they can't take a little silly insulting of their musical heroes? If that's the case, that's really kinda sad. I'd much rather have that than sycophantic hero worshipping.

[jbrownsjr]

I use Firefox with an ad blocker and I never see an ad on the Ledge.

I also have a direct link to the forums bookmarked. I never go to the homepage of the site. (Is there a homepage on the site?) I never have to wait to get into the forums page. It's pretty much, click the link, I'm in.

As for Facebook and Twitter, the problem is the superficiality of the "discussion." Here's a typical FB post: "I saw Lindsey & Christine last night and they were awesome." Here on the Ledge you get longer posts, more in depth commentary, MUCH more interesting dialogue.

It is very literally true that the existence of the Ledge (and, before that, the message board on the old Christine site around the time of the release of 'In the Meantime') has sustained my interest in this band. Without having the in depth and thoughtful discussion here, I honestly think my interest in Fleetwood Mac altogether would have waned long ago.

As for the fact that some folks here are a little rude sometimes, are fans really that thin skinned that they can't take a little silly insulting of their musical heroes? If that's the case, that's really kinda sad. I'd much rather have that than sycophantic hero worshipping.

I often find that the folks that complain about rudeness or nastiness are the same ones that aren't really cordial unless you agree with them. Not all, but most cases. I have made some stellar friends here and hope I continue to do so.

I am using Chrome and don't have many problems like being reported.
Also, I find that the ads are usually my google searches.

[gldstwmn]

I put a free ad blocker on my computer...no problems now.

Same here. :nod:

[button-lip]

I often find that the folks that complain about rudeness or nastiness are the same ones that aren't really cordial unless you agree with them. Not all, but most cases. I have made some stellar friends here and hope I continue to do so.

I am using Chrome and don't have many problems like being reported.
Also, I find that the ads are usually my google searches.

Agree, agree and agree. :nod:

In my case, Twitter isn't better than TL when it comes to fights. I have been blocked by some nice ladies, just because they didn't like what I said on my timeline. You can find them everywhere, not just here. And don't let me start on IK! :D

I've made some great friends here too. And I didn't even speak with some of them on any thread, but instead we share other things in common, which is great! :thumbsup:

I'm using IE and also my ads are my google searches, which made me sad for a while (you know, Ticketmaster and Stubhub, and travel ads). :distress::D

[jbrownsjr]

Agree, agree and agree. :nod:

In my case, Twitter isn't better than TL when it comes to fights. I have been blocked by some nice ladies, just because they didn't like what I said on my timeline. You can find them everywhere, not just here. And don't let me start on IK! :D

I've made some great friends here too. And I didn't even speak with some of them on any thread, but instead we share other things in common, which is great! :thumbsup:

I'm using IE and also my ads are my google searches, which make me sad for a while (you know, Ticketmaster and Stubhub, and travel ads). :distress::D

Yes, some people are so ultra sensitive. And you're right the Twitter fights I've seen make this place look like Disney.

On IG someone posted Clinton because he is hosting. I saw the word rapist pop up. oy.... People are crazy.

[aleuzzi]

It's taken me two days to get connected to the Ledge. Ironically, I can only do this at work. So, for anyone saying the slowed system is what's preventing more posts, I entirely agree.

[Street_Dreamer]

I use Google Chrome and adblock and NEVER have issues getting on here.

[aleuzzi]

I use Google Chrome and adblock and NEVER have issues getting on here.

thanks for the tip.

[AncientQueen]

I think you are missing the point I was making. Lack of interest has nothing to do with the number of posts going down. Its the access to the site. When I just logged in it took 1:22 for the site to load. Many don't have such patience to read and post on a site that seems to be bogged down or offline when you try to access it. It seems to be getting worse IMHO.That is my problem, only it takes up to 10 minutes to get to the Rumours Thread after reading a post. I don't have the time or patience for that, so I visit much less.

[becca]

I'll definitely make some time to update my browser, see if i need newer ad blocking stuff.

Fleetwood Mac is many groups with one rhythm section and almost endlessly fascinating to me. So many unique and high quality artists throughout the whole history. Even someone I might get along with least if they ever cared enough to post here about any aspect of any of the line-ups we have in common that we appreciate some of the same things, we're all sort of related no matter what. You only see that with a few long-running groups, like The Grateful Dead. It's woven into your life and you cannot really leave the chain? :laugh:

[iamnotafraid]

How much does it cost to date one of
these Russian ladies that advertise
on this site?

And does the owner of this site have
something against Asian ladies?

[HomerMcvie]

It's taken me two days to get connected to the Ledge. Ironically, I can only do this at work. So, for anyone saying the slowed system is what's preventing more posts, I entirely agree.

95% of the time, I have NO problem getting on here. No lag or anything. On phone or computer.

This isn't the online world that it was 15 years ago, and(unfortunately) the ledge(or any other band site) will ever return to the glory that it once was.

That said, I hope it's still around for a long time to come.

[AnthonyMI]

How much does it cost to date one of
these Russian ladies that advertise
on this site?

And does the owner of this site have
something against Asian ladies?


You know that your ads are targeted based on your browsing history? ;)

If you haven’t been searching for Russian Wives or P0rn then maybe you’ve been. Reading too many stories about Russian Collution theories. ;)

[gldstwmn]

How much does it cost to date one of
these Russian ladies that advertise
on this site?



Why don't you hit 'em up and find out? You only live once. :p:lol:

[FuzzyPlum]

You know that your ads are targeted based on your browsing history? ;)

If you haven’t been searching for Russian Wives or P0rn then maybe you’ve been. Reading too many stories about Russian Collution theories. ;)


All I'm getting at the moment is School of Rock tickets, Lake District holiday cottages and XBox paraphernalia- I'm guessing my step-son has been on my computer recently. If Russian ladies pop-up he's in trouble.

[button-lip]

All I'm getting at the moment is School of Rock tickets, Lake District holiday cottages and XBox paraphernalia- I'm guessing my step-son has been on my computer recently. If Russian ladies pop-up he's in trouble.

Haha! I'm getting travel ads, FM eBay articles, and concerts ads. Never ever an obscene ad pop up on my computer when I log in. Yep, I'm a saint. :rolleyes:

[HomerMcvie]

Haha! I'm getting travel ads, FM eBay articles, and concerts ads. Never ever an obscene ad pop up on my computer when I log in. Yep, I'm a saint. :rolleyes:

I watch porn ALL THE TIME, and I don't get sex ads on here.

What am I doing wrong? :lol::lol::lol:

[SisterNightroad]

I watch porn ALL THE TIME, and I don't get sex ads on here.

What am I doing wrong? :lol::lol::lol:
You use the Incognito mode or clean your cookies and browser history often?

[HomerMcvie]

You use the Incognito mode or clean your cookies and browser history often?

Nah, I don't have to clean any of.... that stuff! :lol::lol::lol:

[iamnotafraid]

You use the Incognito mode..

Bingo.....

[iamnotafraid]

You know that your ads are targeted based on your browsing history? ;)

If you haven’t been searching for Russian Wives or P0rn then maybe you’ve been. Reading too many stories about Russian Collution theories. ;)

As SisterNightroad said go Incognito mode.

Who needs a porn site when we've got the Ledge?
I remember that one night...

And I have no interest in what old Hillary has been doing.

[iamnotafraid]

Why don't you hit 'em up and find out? You only live once. :p:lol:

If I can get FuzzyPlum and David (Homer) to spot me,
I'll follow through and report back.

[button-lip]

I watch porn ALL THE TIME, and I don't get sex ads on here.

What am I doing wrong? :lol::lol::lol:

So, wait, under your logic, I should get porn ads.... :xoxo:

Damn, why don't I get porn ads, so I can see what the world has to offer me? :]:]:]

And they say this site is dead.... :rolleyes:

[gldstwmn]

If I can get FuzzyPlum and David (Homer) to spot me,
I'll follow through and report back.

Please do. I've been living like a virtual nun these days. :lol: Also please spill the beans about your post above this one. Why does Hillary sound familiar but I can't place her?

[iamnotafraid]

Please do. I've been living like a virtual nun these days. :lol: Also please spill the beans about your post above this one. Why does Hillary sound familiar but I can't place her?

I can't say this about all Russian ladies but...
One of my friends works with a guy who met
and then married one of Russia's best. And I'd
bet you could guess what eventually happened.

I'd be glad to comment on old Hillary, but I'm sure
that the comment would be moved to the netherworld
of the Ledge. Which is without a doubt the "Chit-Chat"
section. Where all post and threads go to die.

[BombaySapphire3]

I'd be glad to comment on old Hillary, but I'm sure
that the comment would be moved to the netherworld
of the Ledge. Which is without a doubt the "Chit-Chat"
section. Where all post and threads go to die.

Or any section:shrug: Even the once bustling Stevie forum is now virtually a ghost town strewn with tattered chiffon and rusting tambourines and where nothing is heard but the mournful coo of a lone white winged dove.:(

[tango87]

Suddenly things have cleared up for me, and I was able to load the Main Forums page and log in almost instantly for the first time in months.

Maybe something has been done?

Anyway, hurrah!

[sue]

Yippeeeeee..!!!
On in 5 seconds.

Normal service has resumed.

[elle]

Suddenly things have cleared up for me, and I was able to load the Main Forums page and log in almost instantly for the first time in months.

Maybe something has been done?

Anyway, hurrah!

Yippeeeeee..!!!
On in 5 seconds.

Normal service has resumed.

yes!! it's even loading on my phone now! :thumbsup::blob2:

[AnthonyMI]

You’re all welcome. ;)

[button-lip]

Yes!!!

I can be my usual snarky self again! :p:p

[Buster]

Hi - I don’t think popups are the reason this board is dead and sucks. I think the main reason is that nearly every thread turns into obnoxious misogynistic backslapping posts between a couple of guys about Stevie. I came to the board last year interested in intelligent discussion about my favorite band but quickly saw no need to waste time on such a pathetic board. Meaningful criticism and debate about the band and its members would be fine but that’s not what exists here.

Buster

[AnthonyMI]

Hi - I don’t think popups are the reason this board is dead and sucks. I think the main reason is that nearly every thread turns into obnoxious misogynistic backslapping posts between a couple of guys about Stevie. I came to the board last year interested in intelligent discussion about my favorite band but quickly saw no need to waste time on such a pathetic board. Meaningful criticism and debate about the band and its members would be fine but that’s not what exists here.

Buster

That’s a nice opinion. That’s how the Ledge has been since I started in 1997. Let’s not forget the Black Ledge incident of 1998.

But that is not why people can’t get on and had not been able to get on for three or four months. Traffic dropped considerably.

[iamnotafraid]

I came to the board last year interested in intelligent discussion...

Buster


I guess that counts me out.

[HomerMcvie]

That’s a nice opinion. That’s how the Ledge has been since I started in 1997. Let’s not forget the Black Ledge incident of 1998.

But that is not why people can’t get on and had not been able to get on for three or four months. Traffic dropped considerably.

Black Ledge was before my time(2003) here, but around 2007 was when there was also a mass exodus, with several other boards started, by disgruntled members who left. Yes, I was one of them, but came back after a couple? years.

[AnthonyMI]

Black Ledge was before my time(2003) here, but around 2007 was when there was also a mass exodus, with several other boards started, by disgruntled members who left. Yes, I was one of them, but came back after a couple? years.



My point is the board goes in cycles. There are lifers, and people like me who were obsessed and here daily for hours all night. Yes. The Black
Ledge scared a bunch of people away from the cyber bullying including someone I was good friends with and a very pretty girl that I went to the first show of Enchanted tour with. (Front row) I was 17-20 years old. I got a “life” finally and became more an lurker. I’ve seen ups and down years here. This was an UP year with the Stevie and BM tours. Both Ledge forums were much deeper until the Ads got out of hand. You can already see that traffic is WAY up from the number of guests that show up as currently browsing and people logged in. It was DEAD before. Just the people smart enough to install Ad Blocker

[HomerMcvie]

I agree with your points, but really, imo, when facebook and the like took the world by storm, that was THE major hit to all sites like this. We'll never see the heyday(for me, like 2004/2005) like we had back then. And that has nothing to do with ads, or a dinosaur band, or as*holes here. The times have changed, and technology with it.

I'm a lifer too. When they're dead and gone, I might stop talking about them then. :lol:

Except Stevie, because she's my favorite!

[jbrownsjr]

I agree with your points, but really, imo, when facebook and the like took the world by storm, that was THE major hit to all sites like this. We'll never see the heyday(for me, like 2004/2005) like we had back then. And that has nothing to do with ads, or a dinosaur band, or as*holes here. The times have changed, and technology with it.

I'm a lifer too. When they're dead and gone, I might stop talking about them then. :lol:

Except Stevie, because she's my favorite!

I have a feeling you'll still be talking about her. :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

My point is the board goes in cycles. There are lifers, and people like me who were obsessed and here daily for hours all night. Yes. The Black
Ledge scared a bunch of people away from the cyber bullying including someone I was good friends with and a very pretty girl that I went to the first show of Enchanted tour with. (Front row) I was 17-20 years old. I got a “life” finally and became more an lurker. I’ve seen ups and down years here. This was an UP year with the Stevie and BM tours. Both Ledge forums were much deeper until the Ads got out of hand. You can already see that traffic is WAY up from the number of guests that show up as currently browsing and people logged in. It was DEAD before. Just the people smart enough to install Ad Blocker

What's a lifer, Anthony? :lol:

[HomerMcvie]

I have a feeling you'll still be talking about her. :laugh:

Imma passionate dart player at home. :woohoo:

[jbrownsjr]

Imma passionate dart player at home. :woohoo:

Wake me up when your papers are in order..

[gldstwmn]

I'm a lifer too. When they're dead and gone, I might stop talking about them then. :lol:

Except Stevie, because she's my favorite!

Your favorite what?

[jbrownsjr]

Your favorite what?

Is goat breath a noun? :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Your favorite what?

:xoxo::xoxo::xoxo::xoxo::xoxo:


:p:p:p:p:p

[HomerMcvie]

Is goat breath a noun? :laugh:

I'm glad I didn't say that.:woohoo:

[SisterNightroad]

That’s a nice opinion. That’s how the Ledge has been since I started in 1997. Let’s not forget the Black Ledge incident of 1998.

But that is not why people can’t get on and had not been able to get on for three or four months. Traffic dropped considerably.
I already know I'll regret it, but what't the "Black Ledge"?

[Josh2003]

I already know I'll regret it, but what't the "Black Ledge"?

From what I remember, it was sort of an "underground" Ledge started by people who had either been banned by the original Penguin/Ledge owner/moderator, or left on their own accord when others were banned. Lots of the content was geared toward knocking/bashing the "real" Ledge. The incident I think eventually lead to the Ledge being shut down for a few months as a sort of cooling off period, then re-launching around '99 or '00 in the format we have today.

[SisterNightroad]

From what I remember, it was sort of an "underground" Ledge started by people who had either been banned by the original Penguin/Ledge owner/moderator, or left on their own accord when others were banned. Lots of the content was geared toward knocking/bashing the "real" Ledge. The incident I think eventually lead to the Ledge being shut down for a few months as a sort of cooling off period, then re-launching around '99 or '00 in the format we have today.
https://i.giphy.com/media/4SDCzhdWOwtwI/giphy.webp

[HomerMcvie]

From what I remember, it was sort of an "underground" Ledge started by people who had either been banned by the original Penguin/Ledge owner/moderator, or left on their own accord when others were banned. Lots of the content was geared toward knocking/bashing the "real" Ledge. The incident I think eventually lead to the Ledge being shut down for a few months as a sort of cooling off period, then re-launching around '99 or '00 in the format we have today.

That was pretty much the way 3 other boards were started. Sort of...
"Seven Wonders" began as a result of a Ledge crash. It was down for a couple days?, and we had so much traffic then, people were freaking out, so it(SW) began as a "free message board". But it rapidly turned into a Stevie worship site. If you dared say ANYTHING bad about her, you were banned from the board.

There were two other "underground" boards like Black Ledge. The first? was Horsemanity(one of the things that caused the 2007 exodus was that the mods[one in particular] were out of control. One night, one person asked a bunch of us to put a pic of the backside of a horse as our sig pic. I think 17 of us did, and 13 got temporarily banned[no explanation why 4 people didn't] The bans were lifted after only a day or so, but people were PISSED, so we left). That group went on for a while, until we figured out that there was a spy in the group. So that group was abandoned, and a new group was started, called Homanity, obviously excluding the spy.

That said, ^, in retrospect, those two groups were MEAN. I mean, I know I can dish it out, but the groups were too mean for me. Hate and snark, 24/7. A few of us left the group after a while, because it was a very negative place to be. I used to have it bookmarked, but can't find it now. Hopefully it died. There was one instigator who was behind both groups, the horse's ass pic we all posted,...all of it! It took YEARS until they finally banned her from The Ledge. Her name starts with a C...

[HomerMcvie]

I don't remember all the deets of who hated who, but searching just now, I found a blog from a former Ledge member, who apparently wasn't liked by the "in crowd".

https://irishgrl.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/hello-to-the-horsemanity-crowd/#comments

[gldstwmn]

The first? was Horsemanity(one of the things that caused the 2007 exodus was that the mods[one in particular] were out of control.

(insert witchy cackle here) :laugh::laugh::laugh::] Still here bitches! "I see myself remaining when all of you are gone." That said, I have neither the time nor the energy to go down that particular trolling rabbit hole again. It sure could pass an afternoon though.

[HomerMcvie]

(insert witchy cackle here) :laugh::laugh::laugh::] Still here bitches! "I see myself remaining when all of you are gone." That said, I have neither the time nr energy to go down that particular trolling rabbit hole again. It sure could pass an afternoon though.

You were a mod? Because it wasn't you, to whom I was referring.

[gldstwmn]

You were a mod? Because it wasn't you, to whom I was referring.

Yuuup. :cool:

[HomerMcvie]

Yuuup. :cool:

I was talking about the "supermod", who gave carte blanche to that kid who posted constantly, annoying pretty much the entire board.

[AnthonyMI]

I already know I'll regret it, but what't the "Black Ledge"?

Lets see.. I think it was around 1998. Summer-ish? It was before I left Connecticut and that was June 1998, So before that.

Anyhow, the way I remember it was that there were two "Factions" The Stevie Poopin', Pro-PeterGreen crowd, and the Stevie lovers. It was not that the ANti Stevie were all that Anti or the Pro were all that Pro. It was like it is now. One would and could say mean things like Discuss her alleged Abortions and how Street Angel sucked and the other would have none of it. Same story as now. Same musical, different cast.

The Anti-Stevies got to the point they were being nasty to some of the Stevie people. There were Clicks for sure. This was at the same time we were mailing Dubbed cassettes (remember those!?) between members for access to Bootlegs before MP3. Im not sure who started it, but the meanness and nastiness resulted in some Bans and some people getting upset. So one of the the members created another BBS (Ebullition Board System) identical to the Ledge at the time. Their Mascot was a Troll doll, and the name was Black Ledge. (Back in those days each Ledge had its own color scheme)


Someone who was a "spy" in the Black Ledge group gave the secret link to someone on the regular Ledge and posted it on the Main Ledge So everyone could read all the mean things being said. The Black Ledge was less an "alternate" ledge for discussion about Fleetwood Mac and was more a place to dig and poo on people on the Regular Ledge. I took screen shots of some of it before it was suddenly taken down when the Black Ledge owner realized people had found it. The things being said were making fun of people Body, Weight, Face, Spelling, there were "impersonations" with names similar to the Ledge user names and lots of meanness. It was BAD. I was 18 at the time, the Internet was "New" to a lot of us, and this was before CyberBullying was a "Thing" in the news. But it was cyberbullying. What was said really hurt a few people.

Back on the Main Ledge the owner Shut it down a while, I think a couple weeks, and the Black Ledge was taken down, moved or whatever when they realized they had a Spy playing both sides.

It was a different time for me for sure. I was a loner in High School and moved a lot, The Ledge and the Talk to Me Chat Room was a hangout and past time for me. It was really ALL I had for a while. That incident changed me and my outlook on life. I took it WAY too seriously, and learned that the Internet is NOT real life, and that the Anonymous nature of it all is dangerous. People say things they would not say in real life. Same holds true today, and perhaps even more so. Thing is there was NO excuse for what went down and the way the Black Ledge people behaved. ZERO excuse.

Happily, I the person who I think was more "hurt" found happiness and love and got a real life, meeting someone from the Ledge, sharing their common love for Stevie and Fleetwood Mac, and got married. Last I heard they had kids and farm and dont come here much, if at all. The other girl, who I had a crush on, left around 1998-99 and I lost track of completely.

A few years later, around 2002? I think. There was another big Blow up, some of the same people were involved. I think that after that I just stopped posting for many years, unless it was a big year. But I also went to College, found Sports, and friends, and didn't need to use The Internet as a crutch for not having a life.

Anyhow. This place does go in Cycles. It has for 20 years. Keeping it up and running is important though. There is a community here, and the historical aspect of searching for threads and Info help new fans discover things. We didnt have MP3s back then, and now if you want to know about the 2001 "My Heart", for example", you can find it here on the Ledge and learn about it, or "Call on me For Magic". If not for the Ledge we wouldnt know about those songs existence at all.

[Street_Dreamer]

I miss the old chat room on here. It was packed on a nightly basis in 2001 and 2002.

[AnthonyMI]

I miss the old chat room on here. It was packed on a nightly basis in 2001 and 2002.

That was the second interation of the chat. The original was very archaic by internet standards. It crashed ALL the time. It was slow. And the odd thing about it was you could create any name you wanted when you connected. This meant that people would sometimes spoof names. Someone, I forget her name, would log in as Stevie and someone would log in as Stevie’s old assistant. And they would have conversations as those “characters”. Someone also pretended to be Barbara Nicks (Stevie’s Mom). I totally bought it. I was so dumb. As most 17 year olds are... I mean... kids that age are eating Tide Pods now.

[BombaySapphire3]

I think that part of the reason that the exodus of 2007 happened is that people were getting permanently banned for having one strike even if they had gotten the strike years before then. The strikes were put in place after the Arizona Ranger wars of 2001/2002 then you needed 3 to be permanently banned .When that rule was suddenly changed and people were retroactively banned others also left in sympathy with them.

[GypsySorcerer]

Wow, I had forgotten about a lot of that history. I didn't start posting here until around 2003-ish, so I missed the "Black Ledge" and the Arizona Ranger saga. I did briefly post on Seven Wonders, but I found the atmosphere childish and not worth my time (people trying to get karma points or some sh*t). As far as the other mass exodus from the Ledge, I was only vaguely aware of what was going on. A bunch of people left, I was busy doing other things, etc. I will never post as much as I did around 2004-2006, but I can't bring myself to leave totally. Old habits and all that.

[AnthonyMI]

Mass exodus aside, none of them were are detrimental as the MONTH along inability to even access the pages themselves. This has gone on months. The casual browser of the site won’t wait around the minutes it takes just to check out a daily blurb or news story. Ain’t gonna happen. Look at how there are 100+ “guests” on the site NOW. That means people use this site and don’t post. They are likely downloading MP3s or learning about concerts or looking at the pictures fans share. That’s not gonna happen if The Ledge is inaccessible. I too missed the drama in 2007 because I had become a lurker after I “grew up” and stopping giving a Poop about what people say about me. I post my opinions and the. Do t reply to attacks on that opinion. If people don’t like what I think then Who cares. What annoys me is when people automatically HATE everything Stevie does after 1983 because she’s not young and fit and sounds like she did in 1983. That’s just dumb. If you don’t like her why call yourself a fan! LOL.

[sodascouts]

(insert witchy cackle here) :laugh::laugh::laugh::] Still here bitches! "I see myself remaining when all of you are gone." That said, I have neither the time nor the energy to go down that particular trolling rabbit hole again. It sure could pass an afternoon though.

I remember back in 2005 you threatened me with a strike. It was the only time that had ever happened here, and I got so upset! I was sure I was on the road to being banned! LOL! I now realize how I overreacted at the time. Overall, you were a good mod.

I lurked during the time of The Black Ledge. I was scared to join a forum/message board back then. Everyone seemed to know so much more than I did. All the drama made me even more frightened of joining. I only joined the Ledge to ask a question about Stevie's TISL tour... but then I kept posting.

I had a forum for a few years myself at my site. It was mostly for people who liked both Stevie and Lindsey, liked talking about their interactions as as couple, and got excoriated for that on the Ledge. We did branch out, though, talking about their solo careers and the Mac. It was pretty active for a couple years, from about 2002-2004. However, after the SYW tour ended, things died down. I closed it about ten years ago after I stopped updating regularly.

Seven Wonders.... yeah. I remember that.... the whole debacle with hiring Stevie really hurt that site, too, if I recall correctly.

I don't post regularly on here anymore simply because I'm older now and I have less time. Back in 1998, I was still in college, and I had just discovered the Mac. Now, I'm a full-time college professor teaching an overload. Things change. ****Holy crap, typing that made me feel old.****

[jbrownsjr]

I was still so mad Christine left that I didn't know any of this! :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

I think that part of the reason that the exodus of 2007 happened is that people were getting permanently banned for having one strike even if they had gotten the strike years before then. The strikes were put in place after the Arizona Ranger wars of 2001/2002 then you needed 3 to be permanently banned .When that rule was suddenly changed and people were retroactively banned others also left in sympathy with them.

That Arizona Ranger guy, while I've heard tons of crazy things about him, he used to be on Bob Welch's message board, and seemed relatively sane...there, at least. (unless maybe he was a huge Bob fan, OR possibly somebody else calling themselves AR).

[HomerMcvie]

Dear Ledgie(TAG) who sent me a PM, I just threw one away(of 40 allowed - what is this, 1995?)(all that I have are cherished? memories here, and I hate to delete them).

Please send it again.

[gldstwmn]

I remember back in 2005 you threatened me with a strike. It was the only time that had ever happened here, and I got so upset! I was sure I was on the road to being banned! LOL! I now realize how I overreacted at the time. Overall, you were a good mod.



Well thank you Nancy. :xoxo: I have forgotten about so much of this stuff. It's funny to revisit. I was okay unless I was talking about politics, playing devil's advocate or straight up trolling. :laugh: And then there were times where I was just stupid so there's that. :shrug: :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

Wow, I had forgotten about a lot of that history. I didn't start posting here until around 2003-ish, so I missed the "Black Ledge" and the Arizona Ranger saga. I did briefly post on Seven Wonders, but I found the atmosphere childish and not worth my time (people trying to get karma points or some sh*t). As far as the other mass exodus from the Ledge, I was only vaguely aware of what was going on. A bunch of people left, I was busy doing other things, etc. I will never post as much as I did around 2004-2006, but I can't bring myself to leave totally. Old habits and all that.

I think Arizona Ranger did show back up here when you were a regular under another name. I think he might have been the same guy that was trying to sell "Stevie's underwear" on ebay for a while. :shocked::shocked:

[SpyNote]

Black Ledge was before my time(2003) here, but around 2007 was when there was also a mass exodus, with several other boards started, by disgruntled members who left. Yes, I was one of them, but came back after a couple? years.

The Ledge is actually a perfect reflection of Fleetwood Mac itself. We fight, we complain, members leave and start their own thing, but it's ultimately the music (The Chain, if you will) that keeps us all together and coming back for more. :D

[BombaySapphire3]

I think Arizona Ranger did show back up here when you were a regular under another name. I think he might have been the same guy that was trying to sell "Stevie's underwear" on ebay for a while. :shocked::shocked:

Arizona put in another appearance after having been banned under the old 3 strike rule using the silly name "eaglesmac". until he was discovered and booted again. He has to be one of the top 3 worst Fleetwood Mac trolls in the history of the internet .

[BombaySapphire3]

What annoys me is when people automatically HATE everything Stevie does after 1983 because she’s not young and fit and sounds like she did in 1983. That’s just dumb. If you don’t like her why call yourself a fan! LOL.

Something that I came to understand a long time ago is that in her prime Stevie Nicks was the most charismatic American rock star since Jim Morrison ..IMO there is no way that she could have sustained that level of performance into middle age and beyond and neither could Morrison had he survived. Once I accepted that I was able to still get a lot of enjoyment out of her later work ad performances.

[HomerMcvie]

The Ledge is actually a perfect reflection of Fleetwood Mac itself. We fight, we complain, members leave and start their own thing, but it's ultimately the music (The Chain, if you will) that keeps us all together and coming back for more. :D

Excellent analogy of us!!

[GypsySorcerer]

I think Arizona Ranger did show back up here when you were a regular under another name. I think he might have been the same guy that was trying to sell "Stevie's underwear" on ebay for a while. :shocked::shocked:

I've only ever posted here under this name. I did have another handle on Nancy's board.

The one major troll I remember was Gypsy Rose or something like that. That was wild. :laugh: Oh, and the one who went by 1/2 insane.

[ricohv]

Something that I came to understand a long time ago is that in her prime Stevie Nicks was the most charismatic American rock star since Jim Morrison ..IMO there is no way that she could have sustained that level of performance into middle age and beyond and neither could Morrison had he survived. Once I accepted that I was able to still get a lot of enjoyment out of her later work ad performances.
That's very insightful, I had never really considered this but I agree with you!
Ricoh V

[HomerMcvie]

I've only ever posted here under this name. I did have another handle on Nancy's board.

The one major troll I remember was Gypsy Rose or something like that. That was wild. :laugh: Oh, and the one who went by 1/2 insane.

Dear lort... When we left in 2007, someone said(about someone else), "why does she have to be such a sandy c**t?" And I thought that was about the funniest name I'd ever heard(paints quite the visual in your mind, too). Soooo, my name on one of those replacement boards was Sandy C**t(with actual letters, not *s, because ANYTHING went on those boards).:wavey:

[jbrownsjr]

I love this group and this board.

I don't mind when people disagree with me. I love everyone's passion for Fleetwood Mac. Even the posters that get bent about certain subjects. It's what makes the board so great.

[gldstwmn]

I've only ever posted here under this name. I did have another handle on Nancy's board.

The one major troll I remember was Gypsy Rose or something like that. That was wild. :laugh: Oh, and the one who went by 1/2 insane.
No, no. I butchered that sentence. What I meant to say was Arizona Ranger was posting under another name while you were a regular here. :sorry: And as BombaySapphire3 said above he was discovered and booted once again. And yes I remember RoseGypsy who I think was actually dissention and 1/2 insane. Oh my that was some heady stuff. :lol::lol::lol:

[gldstwmn]

Dear lort... When we left in 2007, someone said(about someone else), "why does she have to be such a sandy c**t?" And I thought that was about the funniest name I'd ever heard(paints quite the visual in your mind, too). Soooo, my name on one of those replacement boards was Sandy C**t(with actual letters, not *s, because ANYTHING went on those boards).:wavey:
That's funny. :lol:

[HomerMcvie]

That's funny. :lol:

I have the sense of humor of a 12 year old boy.:o

[David]

So one of the the members created another BBS (Ebullition Board System) identical to the Ledge at the time. Their Mascot was a Troll doll, and the name was Black Ledge. Ahhh, yes . . . I think I do remember the Black Ledge.

Someone who was a "spy" in the Black Ledge group gave the secret link to someone on the regular Ledge and posted it on the Main Ledge So everyone could read all the mean things being said.
Ahhhh, yes . . . I think it's coming back to me.

[David]

There was one instigator who was behind both groups, the horse's ass pic we all posted,...all of it! It took YEARS until they finally banned her from The Ledge. Her name starts with a C...The statute of limitations is up. It was Carrie, right?

She was a pistol — I liked her.

Until I found out that she and her cohorts were making fun of me in private. :mad::lol:

I would imagine that we're seriously off topic by now.

[iamnotafraid]

It was Carrie, right?

She was a pistol — I liked her.

Until I found out that she and her cohorts were making fun of me in private. :mad::lol:



I liked her too. A pistol she was.
Wish she was still here. She got
the jokes.

[HomerMcvie]

The statute of limitations is up. It was Carrie, right?

She was a pistol — I liked her.

Until I found out that she and her cohorts were making fun of me in private. :mad::lol:

I would imagine that we're seriously off topic by now.
She.... might..... have been behind most of the Ledge implosions. Directing. Producing. Puppeteering.

I have one good friend that is still good friends with her, so I'm trying to not outright call her what she is... Okay, I will. An evil genius. A complete instigator. A master manipulator.

And it was all fun and games until it felt like we were Nazis terrorizing the world. And then it was overload. It was a HUGE relief when she was finally banned from the Ledge.

[iamnotafraid]

I'm trying to not outright call her what she is... Okay, I will. An evil genius. A complete instigator. A master manipulator.

It was a HUGE relief when she was finally banned from the Ledge.

I must have missed something. From what I
remember, we joked back and forth. And more
than once she had my back - so to speak.

I must have been taking a break when she was
banned. As I don't remember it happening.

[jbrownsjr]

She.... might..... have been behind most of the Ledge implosions. Directing. Producing. Puppeteering.

I have one good friend that is still good friends with her, so I'm trying to not outright call her what she is... Okay, I will. An evil genius. A complete instigator. A master manipulator.

And it was all fun and games until it felt like we were Nazis terrorizing the world. And then it was overload. It was a HUGE relief when she was finally banned from the Ledge.

What was she banned for?

[HomerMcvie]

I must have missed something. From what I
remember, we joked back and forth. And more
than once she had my back - so to speak.

I must have been taking a break when she was
banned. As I don't remember it happening.

She was funny, and very witty, BUT, she was also the one PMing us, getting us to put horse's asses as our signature pics, etc... She loved to stir the pot, and stir the pot from a hidden place. She also started the "other boards".

To John, I don't really remember WHY she was banned, other than it was pretty common knowledge that she was an instigator, and always toed the line of not getting banned. I think things got really stressful here one too many times, and Michele got her banned??? I'm not certain on that, but I THINK that's how it went down. Don't quote me. I don't think she ever got all three strikes, but I think her cover as master manipulator was blown, and it was time to just show her the door.

All that said, I LOVED what the Ledge used to be. circa 2006/7. It was kind of like FB, in that we were here all the time. But to me, the death of THAT Ledge all lies on the "supermod" of the time, Johnny Stew. That kid that posted here all day long, starting thread after thread on the same topic....everyone bitching about it.....no one could stand him.....and Johnny Stew told us all, "he can do whatever he wants. Complain about him, and you'll be given strikes". The situation would have taken care of itself eventually, but giving that kid carte blanche to annoy the F out of us for months on end, caused the other boards to start, and ended was what was(to me) the glory days of The Ledge.

[jbrownsjr]

I remember Carrie.. she was nice from what I remember.

Don't remember much about the fights and such.

[HomerMcvie]

I remember Carrie.. she was nice from what I remember.

Don't remember much about the fights and such.

I'm not known for my fantastic memory, so I'm sure somebody knows the deets of what actually happened(not saying my story is inaccurate, it's just how ~I~ remember it).

[AnthonyMI]

I remember Carrie.. she was nice from what I remember.

Don't remember much about the fights and such.



One of the second lessons I learned about The Internet was that people could be false and crafty and say one thing to you in a Chat,say something completely different to someone else and watch and get satisfaction from seeing drama and chaos unfold. They also can create multiple screen names and log in from two machines at once in their home and carry on conversations posing as two different people. No learned all this the hard way. That’s why I only come here for news, links, discussion and NEVER for friends or to get to know anyone beyond a casual reply to a thread about FM. I’ve been coming here LITERALLY half my life. Actually... MORE!? Holy crap.

[jbrownsjr]

One of the second lessons I learned about The Internet was that people could be false and crafty and say one thing to you in a Chat,say something completely different to someone else and watch and get satisfaction from seeing drama and chaos unfold. They also can create multiple screen names and log in from two machines at once in their home and carry on conversations posing as two different people. No learned all this the hard way. That’s why I only come here for news, links, discussion and NEVER for friends or to get to know anyone beyond a casual reply to a thread about FM. I’ve been coming here LITERALLY half my life. Actually... MORE!? Holy crap.

It's good to see you back for a bit. And I appreciate your effort in improving the board. You did good!!

Im only one person. (one personality from me is enough!!).

I get yelled at mostly for having strong opinions about Stevie's opinions. But, at least I get to voice them here. I've been angry w/ Lindsey, too. But, he really seems to have grown a lot over the last decade.

[sodascouts]

But to me, the death of THAT Ledge all lies on the "supermod" of the time, Johnny Stew. That kid that posted here all day long, starting thread after thread on the same topic....everyone bitching about it.....no one could stand him.....and Johnny Stew told us all, "he can do whatever he wants. Complain about him, and you'll be given strikes". The situation would have taken care of itself eventually, but giving that kid carte blanche to annoy the F out of us for months on end, caused the other boards to start, and ended was what was(to me) the glory days of The Ledge.

That's complete BS - I certainly could "stand" him. I think Johnny Stew is a great guy. It's impossible to be a moderator without pissing people off (I know that from experience), but he did his best, and he wasn't the completely unfair egomaniac you're portraying him to be. I miss him around here.

Please, let's not turn this thread into a bash fest.

[jbrownsjr]

That's complete BS - I certainly could "stand" him. I think Johnny Stew is a great guy. It's impossible to be a moderator without pissing people off (I know that from experience), but he did his best, and he wasn't the completely unfair egomaniac you're portraying him to be. I miss him around here.

Please, let's not turn this thread into a bash fest.

I forgot about Johnny Stew. That's a blast from the past.

I miss ChiliD, SteveMac... I think Shakin'up is coming back... let's hope..

[elle]

I forgot about Johnny Stew. That's a blast from the past.

I miss ChiliD, SteveMac... I think Shakin'up is coming back... let's hope..

i don't miss Johnny Stew. from what i've heard i was lucky he was not super-powerful by the time i joined TL, but he was still a mod and definitely not a a very nice guy towards me.

and yeah, hope ChiliD, SteveMac and Shakin'up come back!

[sodascouts]

It's shackin'up, guys - like the line from GYOW. Man, he has been away too long if you can't remember that!

ETA: Unless you're talking about some other guy I'm not familiar with. If so, my apologies to Shakin'up, whoever you may be.

[elle]

It's shackin'up, guys - like the line from GYOW. Man, he has been away too long if you can't remember that!

ETA: Unless you're talking about some other guy I'm not familiar with. If so, my apologies to Shakin'up, whoever you may be.

you're right - and we are a bit dyslexic! :laugh: ;)

[gldstwmn]

It's shackin'up, guys - like the line from GYOW. Man, he has been away too long if you can't remember that!

ETA: Unless you're talking about some other guy I'm not familiar with. If so, my apologies to Shakin'up, whoever you may be.
Gerald (shackin'up) is a very nice guy. I remember in Dallas on the SYW tour we were trying to get him down in front so he could get closer to Lindsey. I have met some fantastic people through this board. We've had so much fun at the shows and beyond through our mutual love of Fleetwood Mac.

[jbrownsjr]

Gerald (shackin'up) is a very nice guy. I remember in Dallas on the SYW tour we were trying to get him down in front so he could get closer to Lindsey. I have met some fantastic people through this board. We've had so much fun at the shows and beyond through our mutual love of Fleetwood Mac.

He and I are FB friends. We have mutual respect and disagree on about half of the subjects we talk about. But, I like that.

[SteveMacD]

That's complete BS - I certainly could "stand" him. I think Johnny Stew is a great guy. It's impossible to be a moderator without pissing people off (I know that from experience), but he did his best, and he wasn't the completely unfair egomaniac you're portraying him to be. I miss him around here.
He wasn’t saying people couldn’t stand Johnny Stew, it was this kid who annoyed EVERYBODY, and never really posted much about the band, IIRC. I’d successfully repressed all memory of that kid, but he was one of the few people I ever blocked. Johnny Stew, for whatever reason, wouldn’t ban the kid.

I forgot about Johnny Stew. That's a blast from the past.

I miss ChiliD, SteveMac... I think Shakin'up is coming back... let's hope..
I couldn’t log on. I’ve been lurking since the technical issue was resolved. I’ve been busy the past few months moving and am now in renovating mode.

They also can create multiple screen names and log in from two machines at once in their home and carry on conversations posing as two different people.
Not around here …

[SpyNote]

Wasn't there another splinter group called "Threadjackers" at some point in The Ledge history?

[HomerMcvie]

That's complete BS - I certainly could "stand" him. I think Johnny Stew is a great guy. It's impossible to be a moderator without pissing people off (I know that from experience), but he did his best, and he wasn't the completely unfair egomaniac you're portraying him to be. I miss him around here.

Please, let's not turn this thread into a bash fest.

If you could comprehend my post, I SAID that JS allowed the KID to post endlessly, with no restraint. The kid should have been blocked, but JS had a thing for him. The problem was actually a combination of both of them, put together. But whatevs...

I've always known you didn't like me, Nancy. At least the feeling is mutual. :wavey::laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

He wasn’t saying people couldn’t stand Johnny Stew, it was this kid who annoyed EVERYBODY, and never really posted much about the band, IIRC. I’d successfully repressed all memory of that kid, but he was one of the few people I ever blocked. Johnny Stew, for whatever reason, wouldn’t ban the kid.


Thank you, Stephen. I appreciate your help in explaining the problem.

[sodascouts]

If you could comprehend my post, I SAID that JS allowed the KID to post endlessly, with no restraint. The kid should have been blocked, but JS had a thing for him. The problem was actually a combination of both of them, put together. But whatevs...

I've always known you didn't like me, Nancy. At least the feeling is mutual. :wavey::laugh:

I apologize for not reading your post more carefully, and realizing that while you were criticizing both, your uglier statements were directed towards someone else.

As far as whether or not I "like" you - it's true I find your posts rather unpleasant to read when they contain such insults, even when they are directed at band members rather than fellow posters. (I do not have a problem with your posts that are not ugly, I should add.) Your statement about me was yet another unpleasant read.

Still, I don't keep an "enemies list" like some here. If I think I have something to add to a conversation, I reply. If I think a post is BS, I say so. I don't check who wrote it first.

Thus, I certainly do not intentionally misread your posts, or anyone else's.

ETA: I seriously don't remember you from the "old days" - did you have a different name back then? Or did you not post as much? I don't remember us interacting back then, and that's the God's honest truth. My evaluations of your posts are all from recent years, not some ancient grudge.

[jbrownsjr]

He wasn’t saying people couldn’t stand Johnny Stew, it was this kid who annoyed EVERYBODY, and never really posted much about the band, IIRC. I’d successfully repressed all memory of that kid, but he was one of the few people I ever blocked. Johnny Stew, for whatever reason, wouldn’t ban the kid.


I couldn’t log on. I’ve been lurking since the technical issue was resolved. I’ve been busy the past few months moving and am now in renovating mode.


Not around here …

Good to see you're back here... Familiar is good. :thumbsup:

[Josh2003]

Wow, what a fun trip down memory lane this has been! I've wondered for a while if anyone else around here remembers that Arizona Ranger character. I was in high school at the time, and remember him severely weirding me out.

[jbrownsjr]

Wow, what a fun trip down memory lane this has been! I've wondered for a while if anyone else around here remembers that Arizona Ranger character. I was in high school at the time, and remember him severely weirding me out.

I wish I did. There were so many peeps here...

[HomerMcvie]

I apologize for not reading your post more carefully, and realizing that while you were criticizing both, your uglier statements were directed towards someone else.

As far as whether or not I "like" you - it's true I find your posts rather unpleasant to read when they contain such insults, even when they are directed at band members rather than fellow posters. (I do not have a problem with your posts that are not ugly, I should add.) Your statement about me was yet another unpleasant read.

Still, I don't keep an "enemies list" like some here. If I think I have something to add to a conversation, I reply. If I think a post is BS, I say so. I don't check who wrote it first.

Thus, I certainly do not intentionally misread your posts, or anyone else's.

ETA: I seriously don't remember you from the "old days" - did you have a different name back then? Or did you not post as much? I don't remember us interacting back then, and that's the God's honest truth. My evaluations of your posts are all from recent years, not some ancient grudge.

I've been here for 15 years, and lurked a couple of years before that. I just remember that you're from (West?)Lafayette, and remember talking about Indiana schools and the like. And that you ran the BN board.

But I've just always felt some animosity towards me from you. But whatever. It really doesn't matter. Until I have to respond to something you write, concerning my posts. Have a good day.

[jbrownsjr]

I've been here for 15 years, and lurked a couple of years before that. I just remember that you're from (West?)Lafayette, and remember talking about Indiana schools and the like. And that you ran the BN board.

But I've just always felt some animosity towards me from you. But whatever. It really doesn't matter. Until I have to respond to something you write, concerning my posts. Have a good day.

I like your honesty. What you feel about certain band members doesn't change my opinion of them. And if I disagree with you, I'll debate.

I don't get the whole worship and do no wrong of people's favorites.

Now, repeat after me:

Christine McVie is the best musician in the world.

I will never say anything bad about Christine McVie.

Christine McVie has saved many peoples' lives and continues to make the world a better place.

Carnvial Begin is a song I don't understand; but, I love it nonetheless.

[HomerMcvie]

I like your honesty. What you feel about certain band members doesn't change my opinion of them. And if I disagree with you, I'll debate.

I don't get the whole worship and do no wrong of people's favorites.

Now, repeat after me:

Christine McVie is the best musician in the world.

I will never say anything bad about Christine McVie.

Christine McVie has saved many peoples' lives and continues to make the world a better place.

Carnvial Begin is a song I don't understand; but, I love it nonetheless.
I can be brutally honest.

CM isn't the best musician in the world, but she's my favorite.

IF IF IF CM did in fact keep Bob Welch out of the HOF, it made me lose a decent amount of respect for her. But she's still my favorite. But I guess I've always known that you don't F*CK with CM. You'll lose. Ask Bob.:(

I like Carnival Begin, but it was never a favorite, like it was for many of you. I'll have to toss it in the Mystified/Only Over Ewe category....songs that I'll get in a few years...

[jbrownsjr]

I can be brutally honest.

CM isn't the best musician in the world, but she's my favorite.

IF IF IF CM did in fact keep Bob Welch out of the HOF, it made me lose a decent amount of respect for her. But she's still my favorite. But I guess I've always known that you don't F*CK with CM. You'll lose. Ask Bob.:(

I like Carnival Begin, but it was never a favorite, like it was for many of you. I'll have to toss it in the Mystified/Only Over Ewe category....songs that I'll get in a few years...

Sigh.. I need to fix your humor chip. :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Sigh.. I need to fix your humor chip. :laugh:

Bring it. I'm waiting...

[FuzzyPlum]

Christine McVie has saved many peoples' lives and continues to make the world a better place.



What forms do I need to fill in to begin the cannonization process?

[jbrownsjr]

Bring it. I'm waiting...

I'll change your wires so you smell goat breath throughout the day.. :wavey:

[jbrownsjr]

What forms do I need to fill in to begin the cannonization process?

Form Sire/Horizon 8536015. :p

[HomerMcvie]

I'll change your wires so you smell goat breath throughout the day.. :wavey:

Now that's extremely rude!

[jbrownsjr]

Now that's extremely rude!

You do know I'm kidding around with you, no?

[button-lip]

I like your honesty. Now, repeat after me:

Christine McVie is the best musician in the world.

I will never say anything bad about Christine McVie.

Christine McVie has saved many peoples' lives and continues to make the world a better place.

Carnvial Begin is a song I don't understand; but, I love it nonetheless.

We could add to the Ten CM Commandments:

- You will never say another woman is more beautiful than Christine McVie

- You will honor Christine McVie's legacy for all eternity

- You will choose Christine McVie as your favorite singer in every FM quiz, and you'll like every post about her

- You will sing with Christine McVie at every FM/BM concert to show your support and to make her proud

We need two more to complete the Ten CM Commandments. As usual, you don't need to follow them by heart. :rolleyes::lol:

[HomerMcvie]

You do know I'm kidding around with you, no?

Yo, bra. I got you!

[jbrownsjr]

We could add to the Ten CM Commandments:

- You will never say another woman is more beautiful than Christine McVie

- You will honor Christine McVie's legacy for all eternity

- You will choose Christine McVie as your favorite singer in every FM quiz, and you'll like every post about her

- You will sing with Christine McVie at every FM/BM concert to show your support and to make her proud

We need two more to complete the Ten CM Commandments. As usual, you don't need to follow them by heart. :rolleyes::lol:

LOL... THIS!!! Somebody gets me.

[iamnotafraid]

No, bra. I got you!


One little letter changes things.

[HomerMcvie]

One little letter changes things.

I stand behind my post.

Now THERE'S a double entendre! :lol::lol::lol:

[HomerMcvie]

LOL... THIS!!! Somebody gets me.

I think you, me and Ana would make good roommates.

All Christine all the time!

[iamnotafraid]

I stand behind my post.

Now THERE'S a double entendre! :lol::lol::lol:

Hey, keep you and your post out of this.

I thought maybe you were supporting the ladies
at #no-bra-club or #freethenipple.

[button-lip]

I think you, me and Ana would make good roommates.

All Christine all the time!

Oh, oh, I can cook! :]:]:xoxo:

You two are in charge of the music, the drinks and all the fun! :]:]:angel:

[jbrownsjr]

I think you, me and Ana would make good roommates.

All Christine all the time!

In My World, Everybody Stays...

[estranged4life]

occassionally but only just to see if any of the 'new' re-issues are worth purchasing or to post links to 'bootlegs' for those who still collect 'em.

[GypsySorcerer]

No, no. I butchered that sentence. What I meant to say was Arizona Ranger was posting under another name while you were a regular here. :sorry: And as BombaySapphire3 said above he was discovered and booted once again. And yes I remember RoseGypsy who I think was actually dissention and 1/2 insane. Oh my that was some heady stuff. :lol::lol::lol:

Got it. :) The amazing thing is dissention hasn't posted on here in 13 years or something, yet still has more posts than anyone else. :laugh:

[GypsySorcerer]

I like your honesty. What you feel about certain band members doesn't change my opinion of them. And if I disagree with you, I'll debate.

I don't get the whole worship and do no wrong of people's favorites.

Now, repeat after me:

Christine McVie is the best musician in the world.

I will never say anything bad about Christine McVie.

Christine McVie has saved many peoples' lives and continues to make the world a better place.

Carnvial Begin is a song I don't understand; but, I love it nonetheless.

There's you, there's David, and who was the other Christine fanatic? Brandon? Seems like there was also a female poster who adored Christine, but she hasn't been around in ages. I forgot her name.

[HomerMcvie]

There's you, there's David, and who was the other Christine fanatic? Brandon? Seems like there was also a female poster who adored Christine, but she hasn't been around in ages. I forgot her name.

There used to be a young girl named Hillary(ledge name Gate and Garden, I believe), and a woman from PA, whose ledge name I can't remember(I know her real name, because we exchanged FM items, but she was very private).

[GypsySorcerer]

There used to be a young girl named Hillary(ledge name Gate and Garden, I believe), and a woman from PA, whose ledge name I can't remember(I know her real name, because we exchanged FM items, but she was very private).

Yep, I remember Hillary (I actually met her once). I think I remember the other poster you're talking about....she was from PA, now that you mention it.

[vivfox]

Just my 2 cents; I am thrilled Carrie got booted from TL and still remember why. It had nothing to do with me but what I remember most about her is how from the day I joined until the day she was banned she was always rude to me. In private messages she was brutal.
Also it is obvious the new owner of TL is not interested in revealing him/herself nor is Michele ever going to tell us who it is.
We should all consider ourselves lucky that whomever the mystery person is, we are not being individually judged for our past transgressions.
It has been real nice seeing several people in this thread posting new thoughts. Shows me that even though they are not around on a regular basis, an interesting topic or thread makes it worth their time to check in once in a while.
And as I have stated before, a new album or new tour always brings people back to TL.

[jbrownsjr]

There's you, there's David, and who was the other Christine fanatic? Brandon? Seems like there was also a female poster who adored Christine, but she hasn't been around in ages. I forgot her name.

Mary Anne?

[HomerMcvie]

Mary Anne?

Yes. I know her full name, but can't remember her Ledge name.

I know she bought one of Christine's dresses on eBay! Super Chris fan!

[HomerMcvie]

Just my 2 cents; I am thrilled Carrie got booted from TL and still remember why. It had nothing to do with me but what I remember most about her is how from the day I joined until the day she was banned she was always rude to me. In private messages she was brutal.

You and I haven't always agreed on much, but on this, I agree completely! She was funny, so she got by with some stuff. But in the end, she was truly a cancer on this site. Not everyone that got to see the evil that we did. She manipulated everybody.

[sodascouts]

And yes I remember RoseGypsy who I think was actually dissention and 1/2 insane.
Got it. :) The amazing thing is dissention hasn't posted on here in 13 years or something, yet still has more posts than anyone else. :laugh:

Wait.... what?? I missed this post earlier! I always suspected dissention had multiple user names on here, though! He was something else! I really liked that Stevie-Hold-Me-flinging-hair avatar he had. So appropriate.

Speaking of multiple user names, I remember when one guy, Carne Vaca, had two user names and accidentally posted as himself under the fake one, outing himself and getting banned as a result. Oops!

Also it is obvious the new owner of TL is not interested in revealing him/herself nor is Michele ever going to tell us who it is.
We should all consider ourselves lucky that whomever the mystery person is, we are not being individually judged for our past transgressions.


Interesting! Being a bit out of the loop, I assumed the new owner was simply running The Ledge as a for-profit enterprise (hence the ads) and did not frequent the board.

Shows me that even though they are not around on a regular basis, an interesting topic or thread makes it worth their time to check in once in a while.
And as I have stated before, a new album or new tour always brings people back to TL.
That certainly is the case for me.

[jwd]

Wait.... what?? I missed this post earlier! I always suspected dissention had multiple user names on here, though! He was something else! I really liked that Stevie-Hold-Me-flinging-hair avatar he had. So appropriate.

Speaking of multiple user names, I remember when one guy, Carne Vaca, had two user names and accidentally posted as himself under the fake one, outing himself and getting banned as a result.


Dulcimer. He liked to converse with himself too. Weird.

[iamnotafraid]

... But in the end, she was truly a cancer on this site. Not everyone that got to see the evil that we did. She manipulated everybody.

I never thought of her as Snoke. I really must
have missed something.

While I'd never claim that she thought of me as
a friend, we did get along. What little we pm'd
each other was pleasant if I remember correctly.

I'll have to start paying attention.

[gldstwmn]

Yep, I remember Hillary (I actually met her once). I think I remember the other poster you're talking about....she was from PA, now that you mention it.
Was it Mary Anne?

[gldstwmn]

You and I haven't always agreed on much, but on this, I agree completely! She was funny, so she got by with some stuff. But in the end, she was truly a cancer on this site. Not everyone that got to see the evil that we did. She manipulated everybody.
Oh my... we actually agree. She was awful. Folks like that are usually very, very unhappy. I hope she finds something to be happy about.

[gldstwmn]

Speaking of multiple user names, I remember when one guy, Carne Vaca, had two user names and accidentally posted as himself under the fake one, outing himself and getting banned as a result. Oops!


He was a hoot. If he's banned they should let him come back for the entertainment value alone. :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Was it Mary Anne?

Yes. I even have her address. I just can't recall her Ledge name. Lovely lady.

[gldstwmn]

Dulcimer. He liked to converse with himself too. Weird.
Dulcimer! Oh my. I swear FM fans are the most interesting and creative people. I laughed so hard I started coughing at the memory of that particular absurdity. I might have to go back into the archives and reread those posts just for old times sake.

[gldstwmn]

Yes. I even have her address. I just can't recall her Ledge name. Lovely lady.
I wonder if she's still with us? I always wonder when people don't post any more.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh my... we actually agree. She was awful. Folks like that are usually very, very unhappy. I hope she finds something to be happy about.

Most people don't know, because the manipulation was all done in the dark, through private messages and the like.

The horse's ass pic... that was 100% her.

At first, her shtick was funny, until it became cruel. She was Hitler, taking over the ledge, through hate.

I danced in the street, the day she FINALLY got banned. I thought it would never happen.

[HomerMcvie]

I wonder if she's still with us? I always wonder when people don't post any more.

Well, the glory days of any sites like this are over. I used to LIVE in the chit chat forum, until Facebook came along. I get all my chits chatted there now. Haven't been to that forum in years now.

Do you recall her Ledge name?

[gldstwmn]

Well, the glory days of any sites like this are over. I used to LIVE in the chit chat forum, until Facebook came along. I get all my chits chatted there now. Haven't been to that forum in years now.

Do you recall her Ledge name?
Was it M Anne or Manne?

[HomerMcvie]

Was it M Anne or Manne?

Maybe the first one? :shrug:

[jbrownsjr]

Yes. I know her full name, but can't remember her Ledge name.

I know she bought one of Christine's dresses on eBay! Super Chris fan!


Can't remember the full ledge name, too. I'll think of it some day. :lol:

[Hawkeye]

Yes. I even have her address. I just can't recall her Ledge name. Lovely lady.

I’m pretty sure Mary Anne’s name was just simply cmcviefan or something along those lines

[jbrownsjr]

I’m pretty sure Mary Anne’s name was just simply cmcviefan or something along those lines

That sounds right.

[aleuzzi]

I wonder if she's still with us? I always wonder when people don't post any more.

Her name is indeed MaryAnne and I adore her.

She was always so generous and patient--and, like me, a die-hard Christine fan.

The last time I saw her post was around the time when Christine won the Ivor Morello award. I hope she is doing great wherever she is.

[aleuzzi]

I’m pretty sure Mary Anne’s name was just simply cmcviefan or something along those lines

I believe there was a "57" included in her name, too.

[jbrownsjr]

Her name is indeed MaryAnne and I adore her.

She was always so generous and patient--and, like me, a die-hard Christine fan.

The last time I saw her post was around the time when Christine won the Ivor Morello award. I hope she is doing great wherever she is.

I sent her a Christine poster many years ago. She was a sweetie.

[aleuzzi]

I sent her a Christine poster many years ago. She was a sweetie.

Where's my Christine poster, eh?

[gldstwmn]

I believe there was a "57" included in her name, too.
Yes! That sounds about right.

[aleuzzi]

Yes! That sounds about right.

Macfan57!!!!!!

[HomerMcvie]

Macfan57!!!!!!

Hooray!! You get the anti Alzheimer's award!

[aleuzzi]

Hooray!! You get the anti Alzheimer's award!

lolol

Now let's totally stalk her and bring her back into the fold.

[GypsySorcerer]

Dulcimer! Oh my. I swear FM fans are the most interesting and creative people. I laughed so hard I started coughing at the memory of that particular absurdity. I might have to go back into the archives and reread those posts just for old times sake.

I think there was actually a third name he posted under, too....:eek: That was during all of the "Survivor" games on the board.

[jbrownsjr]

I think there was actually a third name he posted under, too....:eek: That was during all of the "Survivor" games on the board.

Hejira was always peppy, too. :laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

Hejira was always peppy, too. :laugh:

Wasn't it HejiraNYC?

I feel like I'm having Ledge flashbacks from 15 years ago!

[jbrownsjr]

Wasn't it HejiraNYC?

I feel like I'm having Ledge flashbacks from 15 years ago!

Yes, you are correct. :D

[jwd]

Dulcimer! Oh my. I swear FM fans are the most interesting and creative people. I laughed so hard I started coughing at the memory of that particular absurdity. I might have to go back into the archives and reread those posts just for old times sake.

Have you found them yet? I'd be interested in reading them too. I'd say from absurd to ridiculous. Then again, some of those archives were lost because of a server switch or something. But those were crazy times on The Ledge.

[gldstwmn]

Have you found them yet? I'd be interested in reading them too. I'd say from absurd to ridiculous. Then again, some of those archives were lost because of a server switch or something. But those were crazy times on The Ledge.

I did a search for Dulcimer and came up with a 15 page thread where everyone is fighting over the use of post it notes at the top of the Rumours forum. :laugh: I haven't gone any further than that for fear of getting lost and not being able to find my way out. :o

[jbrownsjr]

I did a search for Dulcimer and came up with a 15 page thread where everyone is fighting over the use of post it notes at the top of the Rumours forum. :laugh: I haven't gone any further than that for fear of getting lost and not being able to find my way out. :o

Good times.. :p

[jwd]

I did a search for Dulcimer and came up with a 15 page thread where everyone is fighting over the use of post it notes at the top of the Rumours forum. :laugh: I haven't gone any further than that for fear of getting lost and not being able to find my way out. :o

You'd think the world was coming to an end with sticky notes at the top of the page. I'd bet my bottom dollar that if "Dulcimer and CarneVaca" were in that same thread, they'd be agreeing with each other. :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

You'd think the world was coming to an end with sticky notes at the top of the page. I'd bet my bottom dollar that if "Dulcimer and CarneVaca" were in that same thread, they'd be agreeing with each other. :laugh:

OMG.. I forgot all about CarneVaca.

[BombaySapphire3]

OMG.. I forgot all about CarneVaca.

Who could forget RESCIND THE STRIKES!!!

[jbrownsjr]

Who could forget RESCIND THE STRIKES!!!

:lol::lol::lol:

[vivfox]

Why is it impossible to embed videos in the Present Band section? It works in all the other sections of The Ledge. Are we being punished and forced to wear ash on our foreheads for the sake of Lindsey Buckingham?

[Jondalar]

Why is it impossible to embed videos in the Present Band section? It works in all the other sections of The Ledge. Are we being punished and forced to wear ash on our foreheads for the sake of Lindsey Buckingham?

It doesn’t work in the Christine McVie section either. Wonder if it takes up memory of something like that.

[David]

Also it is obvious the new owner of TL is not interested in revealing him/herself nor is Michele ever going to tell us who it is. I've been pondering the mysterious identity of the owner. I think it may be a hedge fund, or possibly a member of the Eagles. I shudder to think that it may be Jonathan Todd. If I had my druthers, it would be Nepotista or Lesley Thode.

And as I have stated before, a new album or new tour always brings people back to TL.You were right, Viv! The forum is a-hoppin'!

[David]

She [Carrie] was funny, and very witty, BUT, she was also the one PMing us, getting us to put horse's asses as our signature pics, etc... She loved to stir the pot, and stir the pot from a hidden place. She also started the "other boards".
She and I shared a love of All Things H.W. Fowler. I think what cemented our friendship in those days was an interest in the syntactical and dictional grammars of Henry Sweet, Otto Jespersen, and George Curme, and following that lexicographical progression all the way to the transformational-generative grammars of Chomsky and Randolph Quirk.

God bless her, that little dickens!

[DownOnRodeo]

I've been pondering the mysterious identity of the owner. I think it may be a hedge fund, or possibly a member of the Eagles. I shudder to think that it may be Jonathan Todd.

Jonathan Todd? lol
If he's the proverbial man behind the curtain, call Kansas because I'm heading home.

I've been pondering the mysterious identity of the owner. I think it may be a hedge fund, or possibly a member of the Eagles. I shudder to think that it may be Jonathan Todd. If I had my druthers, it would be Nepotista or Lesley Thode.

Is that the same lovely Lesley (username "Les") who made the absolutely beautiful yet apparently now defunct website "In His Own Words" (or something like that) about Lindsey?

[g. fish]

My bet says that Jonathon Todd and Mick Fleetwood were the same person.

[HomerMcvie]

My bet says that Jonathon Todd and Mick Fleetwood were the same person.

Sugar Mouse makes it a triple headed creation.

[lovethemac1]

Sugar Mouse makes it a triple headed creation.

Perfect summation, :xoxo:
Can’t drink tea when you are on a roll!!

[krrrby]

The only thing contributing to the decline of this site are the a-hole personalities of certain people on this thread, who have always been super critical of band members in the beginning, but now with recent developments within the band and LB, nastiness has turned into hate. I unfortunately became a part of it in a few posts, but needless to say nobody on here has anything nice to say anymore. I still love the music and the people involved with it despite what has been happening. I still listen to the music and I would still support them in their live endeavors. They are in their later years of life and I'm not going to waste an opportunity to sit behind a screen and bemoan everyone and everything about this band, and the people on this forum who are beyond bitter and resentful, despite their self-righteous reasons and beliefs as to why they are right over everyone else on here.

Some people on here really need to get a life, and I visit this board less frequently now because of the lack of civility brought forth by the members.

[secondhandchain]

The only thing contributing to the decline of this site are the a-hole personalities of certain people on this thread, who have always been super critical of band members in the beginning, but now with recent developments within the band and LB, nastiness has turned into hate. I unfortunately became a part of it in a few posts, but needless to say nobody on here has anything nice to say anymore. I still love the music and the people involved with it despite what has been happening. I still listen to the music and I would still support them in their live endeavors. They are in their later years of life and I'm not going to waste an opportunity to sit behind a screen and bemoan everyone and everything about this band, and the people on this forum who are beyond bitter and resentful, despite their self-righteous reasons and beliefs as to why they are right over everyone else on here.

Some people on here really need to get a life, and I visit this board less frequently now because of the lack of civility brought forth by the members.

Stevie and Mick did this. FACT

[bombaysaffires]

The only thing contributing to the decline of this site are the a-hole personalities of certain people on this thread, who have always been super critical of band members in the beginning, but now with recent developments within the band and LB, nastiness has turned into hate. I unfortunately became a part of it in a few posts, but needless to say nobody on here has anything nice to say anymore. I still love the music and the people involved with it despite what has been happening. I still listen to the music and I would still support them in their live endeavors. They are in their later years of life and I'm not going to waste an opportunity to sit behind a screen and bemoan everyone and everything about this band, and the people on this forum who are beyond bitter and resentful, despite their self-righteous reasons and beliefs as to why they are right over everyone else on here.

Some people on here really need to get a life, and I visit this board less frequently now because of the lack of civility brought forth by the members.

that seems a bit of a stretch..

[jbrownsjr]

that seems a bit of a stretch..

Exactly! :o

[FuzzyPlum]

The only thing contributing to the decline of this site are the a-hole personalities of certain people on this thread, who have always been super critical of band members in the beginning, but now with recent developments within the band and LB, nastiness has turned into hate. I unfortunately became a part of it in a few posts, but needless to say nobody on here has anything nice to say anymore. I still love the music and the people involved with it despite what has been happening. I still listen to the music and I would still support them in their live endeavors. They are in their later years of life and I'm not going to waste an opportunity to sit behind a screen and bemoan everyone and everything about this band, and the people on this forum who are beyond bitter and resentful, despite their self-righteous reasons and beliefs as to why they are right over everyone else on here.

Some people on here really need to get a life, and I visit this board less frequently now because of the lack of civility brought forth by the members.


I really like everybody on here. We're all lovely people.
Even those I don't much like.
:wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

I really like everybody on here. We're all lovely people.
Even those I don't much like.
:wavey:

Me too!

As much as we all bitch about this and that, I can only think of three people that I can't stand. Okay, four.

The rest of you are okay in my book...except those $tevie lovers! :lol:

[lulu28]

The only thing contributing to the decline of this site are the a-hole personalities of certain people on this thread, who have always been super critical of band members in the beginning, but now with recent developments within the band and LB, nastiness has turned into hate. I unfortunately became a part of it in a few posts, but needless to say nobody on here has anything nice to say anymore. I still love the music and the people involved with it despite what has been happening. I still listen to the music and I would still support them in their live endeavors. They are in their later years of life and I'm not going to waste an opportunity to sit behind a screen and bemoan everyone and everything about this band, and the people on this forum who are beyond bitter and resentful, despite their self-righteous reasons and beliefs as to why they are right over everyone else on here.

Some people on here really need to get a life, and I visit this board less frequently now because of the lack of civility brought forth by the members.

Absolute truth spoken right here! ^^^^
I've literally logged a handful of times in the last few months and it's all hate and disrespect towards other members. If anything, it's increased since the band split. :distress: Number one reason that so many have left this site.