I finally realized what's missing from the Buck/Vie album...

[bwboy]

Stevie Nicks!

Hear me out, because I've actually thought about this a lot. See, I couldn't figure out why I was somewhat blase about the album. I like most of the songs a lot, and there's only one I really dislike, but the album just seemed kind of bland, like there was something missing. And then I realized that I kind of had the same issue with Say You Will, which was missing Christine McVie. I don't just mean their voices, I mean their songs.

Imagine how much better Say You Will would have been if you took away 4 of Stevie's songs and 4 of Lindsey's, and added 5 of Christine's (from the Buck/Vie album). All of a sudden, Say You Will becomes a masterpiece! I think the Buck/Vie album would have benefited the same way from Stevie's participation, but she declined so they had no choice and proceeded without her.

I suppose we FM fans have been spoiled by having three incredible and distinct singer/songwriters on one album several times over several decades, so it's probably unfair to be critical of an album when one of them decides to skip out. But each person brings something so different to the album that when one is gone, it's very noticeable. Like when you order a cheeseburger but they left the cheese off by accident- it might still be ok, but you really notice the cheese is missing.

I am not saying the band shouldn't release any more records if all three don't participate. It just took me this long to really understand why I hardly ever listen to Say You Will or Buck/Vie very often. I'm curious if anyone else feels similarly.

[Macfan4life]

You just figured this out? :eek: The sum of 5 is better than the sum of 4 or 2. Of course Say You Will would have been better with Christine. Of course Buck/McVie would have been better with Stevie songs because it would have been a full Mac album.
I don't think anyone would really disagree with you. I think you are stating the obvious ;)

[HomerMcvie]

I've always considered Stevie to be the limburger of FM.

I'm glad we agree. :wavey:

[button-lip]

I still want one last FM album, but BuckVie? I suddenly can't imagine their album with Stevie in it. Not anymore. It's perfect the way it is. The songs, the lyrics, nothing in it fits her. This is a Lindsey/Christine album and I wouldn't change a thing about it. :wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

I still want one last FM album, but BuckVie? I suddenly can't imagine their album with Stevie in it. Not anymore. It's perfect the way it is. The songs, the lyrics, nothing in it fit her. This is a Lindsey/Christine album and I wouldn't change a thing about it. :wavey:

I agree. I love this album, just like it is.

[MoonSister75]

I really love the BuckVie album as it is. I think it's quite fitting to have a Lindsey/Christine album following a Stevie/Lindsey album. Now all we need is a final album from all 5 - I live in hope...

My daughter who is almost 8 is enchanted with the BuckVie, particularly Christine's songs. It's the first album (apart from kid's music) where she's learnt many of the words. She puts it on as soon as we get in the car and loves singing along to it. ​Just for balance, she also loves the 2nd CD of the Wild Heart Deluxe, which was played often before we had the BuckVie in the car.

It's interesting that one of the first album reviews posted on here, suggested IMW was the best song, and yet for me it's the only one that I sometimes skip. Some of the tracks took while to grow on me, and Carnival Begin has become a favourite in the past week.
I have started to feel like I've over-listened to the some of the songs, as it's been on repeat in the car for a while now, but I think it's a great upbeat album with an interesting mix of Christine and Lindsey music.

[AlexD]

You could just make a playlist of songs from Say You Will and Buckingham Mcvie and listen to them all together

[secondhandchain]

You could just make a playlist of songs from Say You Will and Buckingham Mcvie and listen to them all together

There is all ready a thread about this. You must have not been on the board in a while because the "Stevie missing from the album" is beating a dead horse from 200 years ago! :)

[jbrownsjr]

I would not add Stevie to this album. I would have liked to see the album have more solos; but other than that, I love this album. It's so bright and I am able to listen to it straight though.

It's an excellent piece of music added to their extensive library.

[Macfan4life]

I would not add Stevie to this album. I would have liked to see the album have more solos; but other than that, I love this album. It's so bright and I am able to listen to it straight though.

It's an excellent piece of music added to their extensive library.
If I remember correctly when you first got the album you stated you really missed Stevie and thought some of the songs missed her touch.
But I guess after listening to the album so many times you appreciate for what its worth.
Its a great album and I too would not change a thing. However if Stevie did join them in the studio we would be bracing for a fantastic project and a complete Mac album.

[jbrownsjr]

If I remember correctly when you first got the album you stated you really missed Stevie and thought some of the songs missed her touch.
But I guess after listening to the album so many times you appreciate for what its worth.
Its a great album and I too would not change a thing. However if Stevie did join them in the studio we would be bracing for a fantastic project and a complete Mac album.

Before the album AND when it first came out. ( I wanted Stevie) But, I became frustrated with her attitude and entitlement. Her "getting old" comments. Her "body shaming" comments. etc..

I have appreciated how much of a gem this is after about 2 weeks. The concept of the duo. The band songs, the love songs, the coming back songs,

I hope Stevie changes her mind and attitude. She could contribute a lot to this team!

[AlexD]

There is all ready a thread about this. You must have not been on the board in a while because the "Stevie missing from the album" is beating a dead horse from 200 years ago! :)

You're right. I was suspended for a month!

[WatchChain]

Although each album IS missing something, "Say You Will" is a better album than Buckingham McVie's self titled debut.

[BombaySapphire3]

Although each album IS missing something, "Say You Will" is a better album than Buckingham McVie's self titled debut.

Agreed. In fact if you winnowed SYW down to it's 10 best tracks it would be even more obvious

[HomerMcvie]

Although each album IS missing something, "Say You Will" is a better album than Buckingham McVie's self titled debut.

Opinions are like... what is it? Oh yeah, I remember....



SYW is rubbish.

[sue]

Opinions are like... what is it? Oh yeah, I remember....



SYW is rubbish.


You're so right, it is just opinions.
I like BuckVie.
But I prefer SYW, as a piece of work it's far superior.
Even now I find new things about it....

But as you say it's just an opinion

[Macfan4life]

Although each album IS missing something, "Say You Will" is a better album than Buckingham McVie's self titled debut.
I agree and I love Buck/McVie. I also agree with BombaySapphire that if you did make SYW a 10 song album it would be even more striking. Both albums are excellent but SYW has way more creativity and depth. To be fair, they also spent way more time recording SYW.

[jbrownsjr]

BuckVie is a gem you can listen to all the way through.
SYW has some fantastic moments, but Stevie's nasal presence on the album kills it for me. Plus, the opening song is horrible. WWTWCT is exactly what I said when I first heard this song.

[SisterNightroad]

Opinions are like... what is it?
Says the one who eats limburger...

https://i.giphy.com/media/aSFcYSXw7p0DC/giphy.webp

[jbrownsjr]

Says the one who eats limburger...

https://i.giphy.com/media/aSFcYSXw7p0DC/giphy.webp

Homer has goatbreath... (haha.. is that even a word. or is it. "goat breath" two words? )

[SisterNightroad]

Homer has goatbreath... (haha.. is that even a word. or is it. "goat breath" two words? )
Well, technically it's made with cow's milk so I guess it's "cow breath". But I have to point out that I am a huge Gorgonzola lover.

[HomerMcvie]

Says the one who eats limburger...

https://i.giphy.com/media/aSFcYSXw7p0DC/giphy.webp

I loathe limburger, so why do you say I eat it?

Get your facts straight...

[The Chain]

SYW is bloated for sure, and there are more than a few clunkers. But the cream of the crop from that album was some of the most creative, outta-left-field work they've done since Tusk, a lot of the arrangements/production is sublime. Granted, I think Lindsey should've just put out the original Gift of Screws, as intended for 2001, which would have been a much better album, but what we got from a mainstream "classic rock" band in 2003, well.. I can't say I've gotten anything as artistically challenging & pleasing from any of my other dinosaur rock favs that late in the game (any Stones fans here? A Bigger Bang sucked!.. to use an example from the same-ish time frame)

[SisterNightroad]

I loathe limburger, so why do you say I eat it?

Get your facts straight...
You seemed to imply it. Why don't you like limburger? Everybody love cheese (besides cheddar).

[jbrownsjr]

I loathe limburger, so why do you say I eat it?

Get your facts straight...

I love romano!!

[bwboy]

I love romano!!

Why are you bringing Ray Romano into this?!

[jbrownsjr]

Why are you bringing Ray Romano into this?!

Because everybody loves him!

[HomerMcvie]

You seemed to imply it. Why don't you like limburger? Everybody love cheese (besides cheddar).

The first post in this thread references leaving the CHEESE off a sandwich.

I called Stevie the limburger cheese of FM.

Because I bought it ONCE, and it literally stunk up the entire house, WHILE INSIDE THE REFRIGERATOR. Thus my Stevie comparison.

Now that wasn't too hard to follow, was it? :]

[secondhandchain]

Agreed. In fact if you winnowed SYW down to it's 10 best tracks it would be even more obvious

Not even close. Say You will I listened to a few times...yech. Still listening to Buck Vie.

[SisterNightroad]

The first post in this thread references leaving the CHEESE off a sandwich.

I called Stevie the limburger cheese of FM.

Because I bought it ONCE, and it literally stunk up the entire house, WHILE INSIDE THE REFRIGERATOR. Thus my Stevie comparison.

Now that wasn't too hard to follow, was it? :]
It was a bit too much to imagine all on my own. However that means that you must have eaten the cheese after all, or at least had the intention to. Actually I'm a huge cheese lover and your anecdote suggested appalling gastronomic scenarios to me.

However I think you may find intriguing this 2006 study that showed that the malaria mosquitos are equally attracted by the smell of Limbuger cheese and that of human feet: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673605658126

[HomerMcvie]

It was a bit too much to imagine all on my own. However that means that you must have eaten the cheese after all, or at least had the intention to. Actually I'm a huge cheese lover and your anecdote suggested appalling gastronomic scenarios to me.

However I think you may find intriguing this 2006 study that showed that the malaria mosquitos are equally attracted by the smell of Limbuger cheese and that of human feet: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673605658126
No, when we figured out what the stench was, I literally threw it outside onto the yard. You could literally smell the stench with the refrigerator door closed.

[SisterNightroad]

No, when we figured out what the stench was, I literally threw it outside onto the yard. You could literally smell the stench with the refrigerator door closed.
https://img-s2.onedio.com/id-52f952d7eae8c8ec19000043/rev-0/w-635/f-jpg-gif-webp-webm-mp4/s-97b2063063324b326c4bf7333a9b33cf84777bef.gif

[Feather Blade]

I agree and I love Buck/McVie. I also agree with BombaySapphire that if you did make SYW a 10 song album it would be even more striking. Both albums are excellent but SYW has way more creativity and depth. To be fair, they also spent way more time recording SYW.

I tend to agree. Though there are some nice moments on the Buckingham McVie album (and some clunkers on SYW), I don't think time will be as kind to it as it has with SYW. A fair number of songs just seem too forgettable to me.

[HomerMcvie]

https://img-s2.onedio.com/id-52f952d7eae8c8ec19000043/rev-0/w-635/f-jpg-gif-webp-webm-mp4/s-97b2063063324b326c4bf7333a9b33cf84777bef.gif

I'm glad you understand. :lol:

[SisterNightroad]

I'm glad you understand. :lol:
No I actually think you're a monster but I'll be alright.

[ViscountViktor]

All of the songs would improve with Stevie on them, I can place her voice in each one, lots of harmonies.

It's a great album without her but it would be even better with.

[HomerMcvie]

No I actually think you're a monster but I'll be alright.

#rude #personalattack

[SisterNightroad]

#rude #personalattack
#dairyproductskiller