Was 24 Karat Gold Really A Flop?

[Fleetwood Jack]

I've heard a bunch of people say that 24 Karat Gold was a flop when it came out and even Stevie alludes to this. Is that true? From what I've seen it seemed to be far from a flop. Not a huge hit, but pretty good for an older artist. Does anyone know the sales figures? I know it charted at number nine.

[mitzo]

James89 is expert on sales figures in these forums. I think worldwide sales were around 150000 which does not count as a flop at all, these days.

[ahafan02]

I've heard a bunch of people say that 24 Karat Gold was a flop when it came out and even Stevie alludes to this. Is that true? From what I've seen it seemed to be far from a flop. Not a huge hit, but pretty good for an older artist. Does anyone know the sales figures? I know it charted at number nine.

What constitutes a flop these days? We are living in the time of free downloading. There is no telling how many sales were lost due to people just downloading it (for free) without buying it.

[Macfan4life]

Music does not sell like it used to. The album was not a flop. Stevie has made more money off the tour supporting the album than she probably has at any other time in her life. She is laughing at the bank if anyone would call 24K Gold a flop.

[markolas]

What constitutes a flop these days? We are living in the time of free downloading. There is no telling how many sales were lost due to people just downloading it (for free) without buying it.

Wasn't the "time of free downloading" 17-18 years ago? Most people are listening via streaming apps like Spotify.

[bwboy]

It would be awesome if someone could post sales of 24 Karat Gold. As for whether the album was a flop, I guess there are a number of factors, such as:

1) How much did it actually sell

2) Were there any hit singles

3) How high did it rank on Billboard AND how long was it on the charts

4) Did any song get radio airplay

5) How did sales compare to previous releases

I know the tour did very well, but that doesn't really reflect on whether the album was a hit or a flop. From what I understand, the tour (which took place nearly a year after the album was released) didn't impact sales of the album- that is, the album never re-entered Billboard's chart, even during the tour.

[lilyfee]

It would be awesome if someone could post sales of 24 Karat Gold. As for whether the album was a flop, I guess there are a number of factors, such as:

1) How much did it actually sell

2) Were there any hit singles

3) How high did it rank on Billboard AND how long was it on the charts

4) Did any song get radio airplay

5) How did sales compare to previous releases

I know the tour did very well, but that doesn't really reflect on whether the album was a hit or a flop. From what I understand, the tour (which took place nearly a year after the album was released) didn't impact sales of the album- that is, the album never re-entered Billboard's chart, even during the tour.

I don't know numbers but based on this criteria I would consider it a flop, i.e. no hit singles or airplay and sales were probably significantly lower than previous releases. By Stevie's standards, as in, compared to her previous sales, this was probably a flop.

[Macfan4life]

Earth to some on this board:
Mainstream radio is never going to play any new song from Stevie Nicks or Fleetwood Mac. Not going to happen... ever. Not going to ever have a hit single no matter how good it is. It may sound harsh but its the truth and reality. By some of the standards on this board we would never get new music for fear of calling it a flop or no hit singles.
This is not the 1980's. If any new music has over 100k buyers, I don't think you can call it a flop no matter any airplay or music videos, etc.
But its just a horrible standard to lay on Stevie, Christine, Lindsey or the Mac. Thank goodness they are not afraid of making new music because they realize they wont get any airplay. Really. Thank goodness!

[mitzo]

The tour was two years after the album release.

[MikeInNV]

I know it charted at number nine.

On the U.S. album chart, it hit No. 7.

[bwboy]

Earth to some on this board:
Mainstream radio is never going to play any new song from Stevie Nicks or Fleetwood Mac. Not going to happen... ever. Not going to ever have a hit single no matter how good it is. It may sound harsh but its the truth and reality. By some of the standards on this board we would never get new music for fear of calling it a flop or no hit singles.
This is not the 1980's. If any new music has over 100k buyers, I don't think you can call it a flop no matter any airplay or music videos, etc.
But its just a horrible standard to lay on Stevie, Christine, Lindsey or the Mac. Thank goodness they are not afraid of making new music because they realize they wont get any airplay. Really. Thank goodness!

Note I didn't say radio airplay was the ONLY criteria, but one of several possible criteria. And radio did play Silver Springs. And Landslide. And Peacemaker, although to a lesser degree. And none of those songs were in the 1980s.

Also, just because someone says they think 24 Karat Gold was a flop doesn't mean they're also saying Stevie shouldn't release another album. I haven't seen anyone here suggest that Stevie shouldn't record more music because of the sales of 24 Karat Gold.

[KenshiMaster16]

I wouldn't necessarily call it a flop but it definitely was not a smashing success either. It made the Top 10 and sold a respectable amount these days for an older artist but she didn't have any charting singles as far as I'm aware. That's something at least In Your Dreams had in its belt with two singles appearing on the A/C Billboard chart. The tour, despite it being years later, really made this project a success at least in my eyes. That is what made the whole thing worth while it terms of being successful or not. But then again, a rarities album (re-recorded or not) is never really going to light up the charts in most cases and it's respectable enough that it managed Top 10.

[dreamsunwind]

If you're comparing it to sales and success of today's big artists like Ed Sheeran, Drake, Taylor Swift, DJ Khaled etc, then yes it was a huge flop. But if you're considering the fact that Stevie is approaching 70 and her heyday was over 30 years ago and the majority of the general public just wants to listen to her sing Rhiannon and Landslide and Dreams, then it did fine.

[Jondalar]

Some people are just stupid. Tom Petty last album hit #1 and didn't even go Gold. Albums don't sale what they used too.

[sue]

I don't know the figures for 24K, we need James69 to help us there.

But The BBC in the UK still has a love affair both with FM and Stevie.
She is played frequently as is Fleetwood Mac.
She was on air promoting 24K doing interviews etc.

BuckVie was played a lot and helped push the Album.

Someone, somewhere deep in the BBC is a big fan!!!!

[ahafan02]

Wasn't the "time of free downloading" 17-18 years ago? Most people are listening via streaming apps like Spotify.


While streaming is certainly popular these days, there are still many sites/torrents/programs that allow you to download for free which have millions of users. Are there any major popular free downloading programs like the old Napster? No but there still are a handful which boasts many, many users. As long as MP3's and the like can be obtained for free we are still in the age of digitial free downloading IMO.

[HoursAndHours]

I wouldn't say this is a binary situation. It didn't have to be a smash hit, or a total failure - there's a middle ground. It debuted in the top 10. That means for her age, she's still in the "relevant" category. Other artists from her cohort are lucky if the chart in the top 100, if at all.

But more importantly, if she treats it as a project, including the album, Lady and lyric videos, gallery showing, shawl contest, and tour - then the 24k Project was an enormous success, and an amazing 3-year achievement that she was able to pull off while including a Mac tour. It's especially impressive for someone who's been around as long as she has.

And I'd agree, free downloading of music, as a sales problem has been over for at least a decade. Stevie's right that people don't buy records as much, but it's not because they're stealing it - it's because they can listen to unlimited albums legally on Spotify or Google Play or Tidal for $10-20/month. Why would I buy 20 albums for like $200 when I can listen to all of them as much as I want for $10? Having said that, I buy albums to support the artist. I bought 24k,on CD and vinyl, for example.

I hope none of this inhibited her from making a new album (or playlist, if we'd like to modernize). I hope we get news on that soon.

[Jondalar]

I wouldn't say this is a binary situation. It didn't have to be a smash hit, or a total failure - there's a middle ground. It debuted in the top 10. That means for her age, she's still in the "relevant" category. Other artists from her cohort are lucky if the chart in the top 100, if at all.

But more importantly, if she treats it as a project, including the album, Lady and lyric videos, gallery showing, shawl contest, and tour - then the 24k Project was an enormous success, and an amazing 3-year achievement that she was able to pull off while including a Mac tour. It's especially impressive for someone who's been around as long as she has.

And I'd agree, free downloading of music, as a sales problem has been over for at least a decade. Stevie's right that people don't buy records as much, but it's not because they're stealing it - it's because they can listen to unlimited albums legally on Spotify or Google Play or Tidal for $10-20/month. Why would I buy 20 albums for like $200 when I can listen to all of them as much as I want for $10? Having said that, I buy albums to support the artist. I bought 24k,on CD and vinyl, for example.

I hope none of this inhibited her from making a new album (or playlist, if we'd like to modernize). I hope we get news on that soon.

The bottom line is it was the best album she has made since The Wild Heart and it was a true Stevie album.

[James89]

Ok, so I'm here to help. :lol:

The album also sold 1,006 copies on vinyl before the official release.

The albums' US chart run with sales is as follows:

Week 1: #7 - 32,622.
Week 2: #30 - 9,618. (43,246)
Week 3: #53 - 5,946. (49,192)
Week 4: #106 - 3,902. (53,094)
Week 5: #83 - 5,187. (58,281)
Week 6: #151 - 3,135. (61,416)

Although the album exited the Billboard 200 after 6 weeks, which isn't bad, it remained on the Top Rock Albums chart for a further 6 weeks at least. Therefore I estimate that it sold around 80K when it left all charts and has now sold in the region of 100-150K. It's really hard to estimate but I think the tour ensured the album still sold relatively well so I would guess around 120K in the US by now.

I will answer the thread question. The album was NOT a flop. For a solo artist over 60 to debut in the Top 10 and sell this amount means that they are still incredibly popular and not just with the older generation. I could list hundreds of successful acts from the 60s/70s and 80s who can't sell a fraction of that these days but Stevie can still do it. Hope this answers the question!

[markolas]

I hope none of this inhibited her from making a new album (or playlist, if we'd like to modernize). I hope we get news on that soon.

She pulled Joan of Arc from the Tango reissue because she said she still wanted to record it, so evidently she hasn't given up on the idea.

Back in the early days of recording (1920s), musical acts made most of their money from performing and touring. Records were basically a marketing tool to sell people on going to the concerts. It wasn't until the rock era that they made gobs of money from record sales. I wonder if the business is circling back to that model, or something like it. I know that's probably not comforting to rock musicians of Stevie's generation. They're used to the business being one way and it has radically changed over the last 20 years.

[sleepless child]

At this point in their careers, I don't know why they even worry about sales. Been there done that. They should make new music for themselves and their fan base.

I don't even think the Rolling Stones would get airplay with new music.

[mitzo]

It was a fantastic album, all Stevie wall to wall, great mix of songs. The tour was also fantastic. I wish FM would just devolve and let her do more of this. Another world FM tour will take two precious years away from her solo work, as she turns 70.

[HoursAndHours]

I don't even think the Rolling Stones would get airplay with new music.

Didn't they get all kinds of airplay and positive response to Blue and Lonesome last year? It's a great record.

[sue]

At this point in their careers, I don't know why they even worry about sales. Been there done that. They should make new music for themselves and their fan base.

I don't even think the Rolling Stones would get airplay with new music.

Mick has a new single out..."England lost" not heard on the airwaves at all..
But as this single is about the dreaded BREXIT, it's hardly surprising

[Macfan4life]

Perspective, perspective, perspective.
A few weeks ago on Stern, they were having a discussion about music sales. J-Z's lastest album that was released about a month or so ago was instantly platinum selling just over a million downloads or CD's during the first week of release. The comments were that it was a LONG time since a music release/album did this in the first week. This used to be fairly common but extremely rare these days. For any album to sell a million copies is a huge success in today's music world. Rewind time to the 1990's. I think Janet Jackson's albums during the early 90's would go Diamond, selling well over 10 million worldwide. When her career fizzled about 10 years ago, she had an album release that sold about 2 million copies. It was considered a HUGE flop. To think that a double platinum album to be considered a flop. To sell 2 million today would be a HUGE success and Jay-Z territory.

[Fannymac]

And remember.....24K was her last album for the label (at the time....I think she has since resigned), so there was no reason for the label to really work it.
Taking that into consideration, it did just fine!

[Jondalar]

Perspective, perspective, perspective.
A few weeks ago on Stern, they were having a discussion about music sales. J-Z's lastest album that was released about a month or so ago was instantly platinum selling just over a million downloads or CD's during the first week of release. The comments were that it was a LONG time since a music release/album did this in the first week. This used to be fairly common but extremely rare these days. For any album to sell a million copies is a huge success in today's music world. Rewind time to the 1990's. I think Janet Jackson's albums during the early 90's would go Diamond, selling well over 10 million worldwide. When her career fizzled about 10 years ago, she had an album release that sold about 2 million copies. It was considered a HUGE flop. To think that a double platinum album to be considered a flop. To sell 2 million today would be a HUGE success and Jay-Z territory.

Wait a minute here!!!! Jay Z sold a million copies the first week because Sprint bought the copies and made the album Free to its customers. It did not go Platinum by customers paying for the album. Total shenanigans. It was platinum before it was available.

[BlueLight]

And remember.....24K was her last album for the label (at the time....I think she has since resigned), so there was no reason for the label to really work it.
Taking that into consideration, it did just fine!

I hadn't realized she's already resigned - any source for this? If so, this makes me very happy. :thumbsup:

[Macfan4life]

Wait a minute here!!!! Jay Z sold a million copies the first week because Sprint bought the copies and made the album Free to its customers. It did not go Platinum by customers paying for the album. Total shenanigans. It was platinum before it was available.
Regardless...my point remains the same. It shows how hard it is to sell music today and get something platinum.

[James89]

Yeah, that whole 'Jay Z album going platinum' thing is a joke. Nobody bought the album for it to achieve that. I think that's so unfair.

[Macfan4life]

Yeah, that whole 'Jay Z album going platinum' thing is a joke. Nobody bought the album for it to achieve that. I think that's so unfair.
It may be unfair...that's a whole different debate. The fact that it was the first album to do this in a very long time tells you something about the music industry today. Major act new albums routinely went platinum before or during the first week of release. Its almost impossible to do now unless a gimmick is involved. To say that Stevie sold 1/10 of Jay-Z's new album is a huge success IMHO.

[blinker12]

I think the important question is, "Does Stevie consider the album to be a flop?"

And unfortunately, from the way she talks in recent interviews about how no one buys records anymore, it seems she does. Or more accurately, she considers pretty much all albums released these days to be flops.

If her words are to be taken at face value, lack of potential sales was at least part of the reason she didn't go into the studio with Christine and Lindsey. Her attitude could be summed up as, "Why bother, when no one will buy the record anyway?"

Of course, she kinda contradicts herself on this (Stevie, contradict? No! ;)) because she's also said she recorded IYD and 24KG because she finally stopped caring about sales. So who knows. :shrug:

[wheart]

Earth to some on this board:
Mainstream radio is never going to play any new song from Stevie Nicks or Fleetwood Mac. Not going to happen... ever. Not going to ever have a hit single no matter how good it is. It may sound harsh but its the truth and reality. By some of the standards on this board we would never get new music for fear of calling it a flop or no hit singles.
This is not the 1980's. If any new music has over 100k buyers, I don't think you can call it a flop no matter any airplay or music videos, etc.
But its just a horrible standard to lay on Stevie, Christine, Lindsey or the Mac. Thank goodness they are not afraid of making new music because they realize they wont get any airplay. Really. Thank goodness!

You are 100% correct. It's a shame, really but the truth is the truth.

[Jondalar]

Regardless...my point remains the same. It shows how hard it is to sell music today and get something platinum.

Well, in my opinion and some others, his album never really went platinum. Him and stupid streaming service Tidal almost screwed Lana Del Rey's album out of the number 1 spot. He's been up to no good.

[ricohv]

Even when Stevie (occasionally) says she'll keep making music for the fans & doesn't care if it sells, it must be a hard pill to swallow when you remember the glory years of say...The white album through RAL or Tango. Maybe if she'd had 10 years of albums and middling success (as the rest of the Mac had) before hitting it BIG, it would be easier for her now to make albums for art's sake. :shrug:
*Ricoh*

[Macfan4life]

Even when Stevie (occasionally) says she'll keep making music for the fans & doesn't care if it sells, it must be a hard pill to swallow when you remember the glory years of say...The white album through RAL or Tango. Maybe if she'd had 10 years of albums and middling success (as the rest of the Mac had) before hitting it BIG, it would be easier for her now to make albums for art's sake. :shrug:
*Ricoh*
A true artist does make music for art's sake. Album sales have never slowed or stopped Lindsey from creating a vault of solo music. Its a bitter pill for those artists that remember the days without internet and there were actually records that were made. To me the sales have nothing to do with the quality of the music. Some of the biggest sellers and #1 hits are pure crap. The finest music is not always commercial pop. Thank goodness the Mac members appreciate their craft to give us more music!

[TheWildHeart67]

I think any artist in Stevie's age demo that release an album that debuts in the top 20 is impressive.
I don't think 24k is a flop.
I wouldn't call it a smash hit either.
But it did debut in the top 10, which is relevant.

[ricohv]

I think any artist in Stevie's age demo that release an album that debuts in the top 20 is impressive.
I don't think 24k is a flop.
I wouldn't call it a smash hit either.
But it did debut in the top 10, which is relevant.
I totally agree. And we have to remember: this was an album of re-hashed demos (that to my ears doesn't even sound like it was produced very well). SOOO...that it made a top 10 debut at all is pretty good. I mean really....did anyone expect this album would be a blockbuster considering what it is (re-recorded oldies) and who she is (basically a nostalgia/oldies act at this point)?

[StevieNicksfann]

I know the tour did very well, but that doesn't really reflect on whether the album was a hit or a flop. From what I understand, the tour (which took place nearly a year after the album was released) didn't impact sales of the album- that is, the album never re-entered Billboard's chart, even during the tour.

And to this point, for the life of me, I can not understand why copies of the CD are not offered for sale at the merchandise table during the concerts. The whole point of tours in the big picture is to promote the album. Past or present. The name of the tour is 24 Karat Gold. She plays songs from the album, tells stories about the writing so have the CD available. You have so much other product there, why not the vinyl or CD? I don't get it. Even 1 sold is money in the bank and helps the charting, and the industry as a whole. It's just a win-win for everyone. Don't have people going, I like the new songs she played but ask where is the CD at the merchandise table.

[dreamsunwind]

And to this point, for the life of me, I can not understand why copies of the CD are not offered for sale at the merchandise table during the concerts. The whole point of tours in the big picture is to promote the album. Past or present. The name of the tour is 24 Karat Gold. She plays songs from the album, tells stories about the writing so have the CD available. You have so much other product there, why not the vinyl or CD? I don't get it. Even 1 sold is money in the bank and helps the charting, and the industry as a whole. It's just a win-win for everyone. Don't have people going, I like the new songs she played but ask where is the CD at the merchandise table.

People didn't go to the 'Stevie Nicks 24 Karat Gold Tour' for the '24 Karat Gold' part. They went for the 'Stevie Nicks' part. Most of these people are not die-hard fans. They probably thought 24 Karat Gold was just the name of the tour, rather than an actual album. They went to see Stevie Nicks in all her witchy shawl twirling glory, singing Rhiannon and all her classic hits. They don't care about new music.

[bwboy]

Putting it in perspective, I remembered that Tusk was considered a flop when it was released, but now people hold it in high regard and several Deluxe editions have been released since then.

[vivfox]

And to this point, for the life of me, I can not understand why copies of the CD are not offered for sale at the merchandise table during the concerts. The whole point of tours in the big picture is to promote the album. Past or present. The name of the tour is 24 Karat Gold. She plays songs from the album, tells stories about the writing so have the CD available. You have so much other product there, why not the vinyl or CD? I don't get it. Even 1 sold is money in the bank and helps the charting, and the industry as a whole. It's just a win-win for everyone. Don't have people going, I like the new songs she played but ask where is the CD at the merchandise table.

I used to ask this same question all the time, especially when most other acts do sell their CD's at their concerts. But I went to two 24K shows and both of them had the CD for sale with the other merchandise.

[bwboy]

I used to ask this same question all the time, especially when most other acts do sell their CD's at their concerts. But I went to two 24K shows and both of them had the CD for sale with the other merchandise.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I read somewhere that CD sales sold at concerts aren't reflected on Billboard's charts.

[bombaysaffires]

People didn't go to the 'Stevie Nicks 24 Karat Gold Tour' for the '24 Karat Gold' part. They went for the 'Stevie Nicks' part. Most of these people are not die-hard fans. They probably thought 24 Karat Gold was just the name of the tour, rather than an actual album. They went to see Stevie Nicks in all her witchy shawl twirling glory, singing Rhiannon and all her classic hits. They don't care about new music.

doesn't matter.....that's the goal of merchandising... whatever the reason they bought tickets, once they're there, and she's talking about the songs on the album and she's PLAYING the songs on the album, you have a captive audience so to speak, and if they LIKED the songs off the album that they heard her perform, they are more likely to BUY the album right then and there when they are still in the glow of the moment (and as a souvenir of sorts) than once they get all the way home, days later, have to make it a point to remember to either go buy a CD or go on iTunes or wherever and download it. By then people think, Do I REALLY need it??

It's like why they have candy and gossip rags and such at the checkout in stores.... it's called impulse buying. It would mean more ka-ching in her coffers.

Now if as someone says, sales at shows (i.e. through non retailers) don't count towards Billboard rankings, and if in fact this is why Stevie and her people didn't have them for sale at shows, that would seriously damage my opinion of her/them.... because that would say they aren't about getting actual music out to actual fans (you know, all that blah blah in interviews about how "the real reason I write songs is to make people feel better, to bring some joy to them for 3 minutes of their day") but all about the image-polishing prestige of Billboard rankings. (not that I think those don't count but to piss on fans who keep you in private jets and all like that is crap)

[MakerofBirds]

And to this point, for the life of me, I can not understand why copies of the CD are not offered for sale at the merchandise table during the concerts. The whole point of tours in the big picture is to promote the album. Past or present. The name of the tour is 24 Karat Gold. She plays songs from the album, tells stories about the writing so have the CD available. You have so much other product there, why not the vinyl or CD? I don't get it. Even 1 sold is money in the bank and helps the charting, and the industry as a whole. It's just a win-win for everyone. Don't have people going, I like the new songs she played but ask where is the CD at the merchandise table.

At all four shows I went to on the 24 Karat tour, they had both the CD and the vinyl album for sale at all of the merchandise tables.

[dreamsunwind]

doesn't matter.....that's the goal of merchandising... whatever the reason they bought tickets, once they're there, and she's talking about the songs on the album and she's PLAYING the songs on the album, you have a captive audience so to speak, and if they LIKED the songs off the album that they heard her perform, they are more likely to BUY the album right then and there when they are still in the glow of the moment (and as a souvenir of sorts) than once they get all the way home, days later, have to make it a point to remember to either go buy a CD or go on iTunes or wherever and download it. By then people think, Do I REALLY need it??

It's like why they have candy and gossip rags and such at the checkout in stores.... it's called impulse buying. It would mean more ka-ching in her coffers.

Now if as someone says, sales at shows (i.e. through non retailers) don't count towards Billboard rankings, and if in fact this is why Stevie and her people didn't have them for sale at shows, that would seriously damage my opinion of her/them.... because that would say they aren't about getting actual music out to actual fans (you know, all that blah blah in interviews about how "the real reason I write songs is to make people feel better, to bring some joy to them for 3 minutes of their day") but all about the image-polishing prestige of Billboard rankings. (not that I think those don't count but to piss on fans who keep you in private jets and all like that is crap)

First of all, I'm pretty sure they did indeed have the album displayed for sale at the shows.

So anyways, the thing is, as someone already mentioned, the tour did nothing to give the album any late boost or spike in sales. As far as I can tell, it didn't re-enter the charts or have any notable sale increase at all. So even with her performing some of those new songs and talking about them, people still didn't go and buy the album.

I very honestly believe that the majority of people who go to Stevie Nicks or Fleetwood Mac or any 'classic' artist concerts go to see a greatest hits show.

[mitzo]

A lot of people near me at the concert I attended appeared excited and into the 24KG and IYD songs, even dancing and singing along. People have maybe streamed the songs rather than buying them?

[MikeInNV]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I read somewhere that CD sales sold at concerts aren't reflected on Billboard's charts.

Years ago, some artist (I want to say Prince?) arranged for their latest CD to be given away with the purchase of each concert ticket. Those CDs were not considered to have been "sold" and so did not factor into Billboard's sales chart. On the other hand, I understood that a CD sold as separate purchase at a concert venue did in fact count as a "sale."

[SpyNote]

Perspective and context are important. People have a hard time accepting that an artist's commercial success on new material is finite. Every big artist has experienced this in his/her career, and yet the scale by which success is measured remains. This naturally sets everyone up for disappointment.

[lilyfee]

Perspective and context are important. People have a hard time accepting that an artist's commercial success on new material is finite. Every big artist has experienced this in his/her career, and yet the scale by which success is measured remains. This naturally sets everyone up for disappointment.

Accurate!

I think it would be so cool if concertgoers got copies of new albums with purchase of tickets! At least you'd have no question that your music was being heard.

I brought my best friend to one of Stevie's recent concerts and she was captivated by Moonlight and New Orleans, both recent songs. I'm proud of Stevie for revamping Moonlight so that people will be forced to listen and understand what it means. It was actually my best friend's favorite song of the night other than Eo17. I don't think she would have given the album version a second listen had she not seen Stevie perform it the way she did!

[Macfan4life]

To put things into perspective even further. I was reading something about Christine's 2004 release In The Meantime. She did not promote it and most never knew it existed. However in 2004, it sold 50,000 copies. Not sure how many more it has sold since then. By today's standard, that album would have sold pretty good but in 2004 that was a horrible showing. I think Buck/McVie would love to sell 50,000 copies of their latest album.

[James89]

I think Buck/McVie would love to sell 50,000 copies of their latest album.

To be fair they've already sold over 50,000 copies in the UK alone. In just 10 weeks.

[Macfan4life]

To be fair they've already sold over 50,000 copies in the UK alone. In just 10 weeks.
Oh wow that is really something, that is twice the sales in the USA, right?

[James89]

Oh wow that is really something, that is twice the sales in the USA, right?

I think it's sold between 35 and 40k in the US so far. I think. But it's obviously a far better achievement to sell 50k in the UK.

[TheWildHeart67]

24kg sold 33,000 it's first week in the USA and is now around 100,000 in the USA

[TheWildHeart67]

The Buckvie has sold more than 24kg has in the UK

[pryderi]

The Buckvie has sold more than 24kg has in the UK

I never understood why she was never embraced in the UK as much as she has been in the US. Same goes for Linda Ronstadt.

[TheWildHeart67]

It's a strange thing. Just like in the US the Aussie band "Divinyls" are considered a "one hit wonder" for their song, "I touch myself," yet they had huge success and many hits in OZ and Europe.
The US band "Scissor Sisters" has a tiny cult following in their native US but in England have had number one albums and songs and one of the top selling albums of the 2000's.

[annabellee]

It wasn't for me. I'm still listening to it and got to see the tour 2X. The MSG date was awesome. To see her sing Twilight that night was HOF worthy.
Success!!!

[dontlookdown]

Easily her strongest album since Wild Heart so definitely not a flop in my book.
I feel the same way about In Your Dreams.

[TheWildHeart67]

Yeah, I still listen to 24KG on a weekly basis.
It hasn't been out of my rotation since it's release.
I still enjoy IYD too.
Been listening to "TISL" a lot lately too.