Anoro commercial + Go your own way = Major Cringefactor!

[secondhandchain]

Has anyone seen it? How could they have sold their song to a commercial for COPD medication? SO BAD.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/wqcE/anoro-i-have-copd

[bombaysaffires]

I believe the decision rests with whoever owns the rights to the song, in this case the songwriter......ie Lindsey. Guess 3 kids and a wife are expensive to maintain........:eek: :laugh:

[BombaySapphire3]

Has anyone seen it? How could they have sold their song to a commercial for COPD medication? SO BAD.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/wqcE/anoro-i-have-copd

You don't think people with COPD shouldn't get help. heartless :shrug: and in case you have not noticed Fleetwood Mac are money grubbing harlots otherwise La Nicks would not still be in the band and they would have had the cojones to call their new album Fleetwood Mac.

[HomerMcvie]

You don't think people with COPD shouldn't get help. heartless :shrug: and in case you have not noticed Fleetwood Mac are money grubbing harlots otherwise La Nicks would not still be in the band and they would have had the cojones to call their new album Fleetwood Mac.

But how do you really feel about it? :lol::lol::lol:


They are all money whores! They'd can her ass in a NY minute if it weren't for the money.

[24karatstevie]

That cover is HORRENDOUS! :eek:

[secondhandchain]

You don't think people with COPD shouldn't get help. heartless :shrug: and in case you have not noticed Fleetwood Mac are money grubbing harlots otherwise La Nicks would not still be in the band and they would have had the cojones to call their new album Fleetwood Mac.

Where on earth did you get from reading my post that I don't think people with COPD should get help? This has to do with a classic Fleetwood Mac songbeing sold to a medical commercial. It's an awful cover of the song that could ruin it's legacy. Yes I realize they are moneygrubbing whores, but even they should have limits! I can't imagine anybody on YouTube will be going to search for the song and leave the comment " I came here because of the COPD commercial, I just love this song"

[AnthonyMI]

At least it isn't for incontinance. "You can GO your own way"

[lbfan]

I believe Lindsey sold the controlling rights to his songs a few years ago (although he retained approximately 50% of the proceeds).

[BombaySapphire3]

Didn't Christine sell her catalog years ago as well? One thing I'll say about Stevie is that she has held tight to her songs. That is why she was able to pimp out Landslide to Budweiser for $750,000 a couple years back.

[HomerMcvie]

Didn't Christine sell her catalog years ago as well? One thing I'll say about Stevie is that she has held tight to her songs. That is why she was able to pimp out Landslide to Budweiser for $750,000 a couple years back.

Yes, years ago. I believe it was for 34 million.

[dontlookdown]

This is cringe-worthy.

But here is what most likely happened:

To get a master (composition) and sync (recording) license to use a song in a commercial, you have to obtain permission from both the writer and the publisher of the song.

In this case, Lindsey is the writer, and he clearly turned down the request.
So the company who made the commercial went to the publisher, and permission for use and (ultimately the license) was granted. But since the writer refused to grant permission, the publisher's only option was to offer the composition ONLY. Their only choice was to get an inexpensive cover recorded or pick a different song for the commercial.

Lindsey obviously sold publishing rights to Go Your Own Way, or he was never a publishing owner - or he was a partial owner and therefore only has partial say in granting permission.

Rights to a song is always owned 50% by a publisher and 50% by the writer(s).
(The performer often has little to no say in permissions and rarely makes much in the way of royalties).

It was very common up until very recently for artists to not own the publishing rights to their songs. The trade off was that it gave publisher's more incentive to get the song out there as much as they could in the way of exposure -- radio, TV, film, etc.

For a very long time Fleetwood Mac refused to grant the rights for any use of any song in film, TV or advertising. But some members switched gears in the late 90's and sold publishing rights to some, but not all of their songs.

I work with a lot of music supervisors, so that's why I'm chiming in.

I wouldn't look at this as a lapse in judgement or taste on Lindsey's part. He most likely has no say on what is licensed for the composition only for Go Your Own Way.

It's a low budget commercial and probably web only (not for broadcast -- or for low budget cable runs), so I doubt much money was made at all from the cover. Maybe a few thousand bucks tops.
The publisher probably made more -- but certainly not enough to put any kid through college.

All of this is worked out through PRO's (Publishing Rights Organizations) - like BMI, ASCAP, etc.

[HomerMcvie]

I have a document saved on my computer, where Bob Welch described the above process, too. I asked him after Sentimental Lady was used in a commercial.

[dontlookdown]

Also, this might seem naive or glass half full/optimistic but here's my take on the whole "money grab" narrative:

Nobody in this band needs money and hasn't for a long time. They have a lot of people who work for them, especially when they are touring -- and those people depend on salaries to support themselves and their families.

When you find something you love to do and that's how you make a living for decades, it becomes your identity. When you're not doing it, things can feel pretty empty and depressing depending on the kind of person you are. For some artists, it's all they know and even if they desire to do something else, often they can't.

Stevie Nicks has called herself a "road dog". She loves touring much in the same way that Bob Dylan does. It's what gets them through.
Sure, it's nice to know that you're raking in the dough, but at this point - whatever profit Fleetwood Mac is making from touring probably doesn't make much difference to them on top of what they already have in their bank accounts.
They wouldn't be doing it if they didn't love to sing and play together.
I'm sure this wasn't the case in 1997, but it certainly is now.

The money whore narrative provides a lot of good fodder for social media and fan blogs, but I'm not convinced it's what motivates this particular band.

[bwboy]

At least it isn't for incontinance. "You can GO your own way"

Now that's funny!

The only other song that might've worked would have been Big Love- with the grunts!

[bwboy]

Didn't Christine sell her catalog years ago as well? One thing I'll say about Stevie is that she has held tight to her songs. That is why she was able to pimp out Landslide to Budweiser for $750,000 a couple years back.

I'd forgotten about that ad. It was incredibly well made and effective.

[bwboy]

It's a low budget commercial and probably web only (not for broadcast -- or for low budget cable runs), so I doubt much money was made at all from the cover. Maybe a few thousand bucks tops.
The publisher probably made more -- but certainly not enough to put any kid through college.

I was visiting my mother after work and I saw this ad air while she was watching Days of Our Lives on NBC today. And it wasn't the local affiliate, it was NBC. So it definitely isn't just airing on cable or on the web.

[secondhandchain]

This is cringe-worthy.

But here is what most likely happened:

To get a master (composition) and sync (recording) license to use a song in a commercial, you have to obtain permission from both the writer and the publisher of the song.

In this case, Lindsey is the writer, and he clearly turned down the request.
So the company who made the commercial went to the publisher, and permission for use and (ultimately the license) was granted. But since the writer refused to grant permission, the publisher's only option was to offer the composition ONLY. Their only choice was to get an inexpensive cover recorded or pick a different song for the commercial.

Lindsey obviously sold publishing rights to Go Your Own Way, or he was never a publishing owner - or he was a partial owner and therefore only has partial say in granting permission.

Rights to a song is always owned 50% by a publisher and 50% by the writer(s).
(The performer often has little to no say in permissions and rarely makes much in the way of royalties).

It was very common up until very recently for artists to not own the publishing rights to their songs. The trade off was that it gave publisher's more incentive to get the song out there as much as they could in the way of exposure -- radio, TV, film, etc.

For a very long time Fleetwood Mac refused to grant the rights for any use of any song in film, TV or advertising. But some members switched gears in the late 90's and sold publishing rights to some, but not all of their songs.

I work with a lot of music supervisors, so that's why I'm chiming in.

I wouldn't look at this as a lapse in judgement or taste on Lindsey's part. He most likely has no say on what is licensed for the composition only for Go Your Own Way.

It's a low budget commercial and probably web only (not for broadcast -- or for low budget cable runs), so I doubt much money was made at all from the cover. Maybe a few thousand bucks tops.
The publisher probably made more -- but certainly not enough to put any kid through college.

All of this is worked out through PRO's (Publishing Rights Organizations) - like BMI, ASCAP, etc.

Yes I work with music supervisors as well. But didn't Lindsey comment recently about Christine selling her publishing and that is was a big "no no". I'm suprised he did then.

[HomerMcvie]

Yes I work with music supervisors as well. But didn't Lindsey comment recently about Christine selling her publishing and that is was a big "no no". I'm suprised he did then.

She got 34 million WHEN she was wanting to retire from the business. What's wrong with that?

[bombaysaffires]

Yes I work with music supervisors as well. But didn't Lindsey comment recently about Christine selling her publishing and that is was a big "no no". I'm suprised he did then.

yes. I do not believe he has no rights. He always owned his stuff under his own publishing co. Now Sounds Music (Like Stevie owned hers under her own publishing company Welsh Witch Music) Some people sell 50% and co-own them with someone who does all the admin/overhead part of things (I believe Stevie's songs are now Welsh Witch/Sony ATV?? or somebody).

He could easily have said you can use the song but you can't use the band recording of it because it'll taint our brand. Or maybe the rest of the band has a say in any use of a FM recording? Dunno. Or if Warner's owns the masters do they get a say? When Landslide was used in a beer commercial was it the band version??? I can see the writer being able to give permission to use the song but not sure they can give permission to use the BAND'S recording of it??

[MikeInNV]

I can see the writer being able to give permission to use the song but not sure they can give permission to use the BAND'S recording of it??

That was the issue with "Silver Springs" for Stevie's TimeSpace, right? She could've recorded a new version of the song for the album, but Mick wouldn't let her put the FM version on it.

[bwboy]

That was the issue with "Silver Springs" for Stevie's TimeSpace, right? She could've recorded a new version of the song for the album, but Mick wouldn't let her put the FM version on it.

So then the question is, how could Stevie allow Landslide to be played in a beer commercial without Mick's permission, but not be allowed to put SS on her album?

It's so confusing.

[Netter75]

She got 34 million WHEN she was wanting to retire from the business. What's wrong with that?

I'd do it in a heartbeat if my dream was to finally settle down in a mansion in the English countryside.

[bombaysaffires]

So then the question is, how could Stevie allow Landslide to be played in a beer commercial without Mick's permission, but not be allowed to put SS on her album?

It's so confusing.

was it the FM version of Landslide??

[MikeInNV]

was it the FM version of Landslide??

Yes, it was. But maybe the band was fine with it. Mick was only stubborn with SS because he wanted to use it to help sell the boxed set.

[TrueFaith77]

I'm glad there is a thread about this. This ad kept coming on during the news last night. I think the "cover" is fascinating. I actually rather like it.

[SisterNightroad]

I don't find it cringey, actually it's a pretty classic advertising choice, the same people who used to constantly hear Go Your Own Way in 1977 now belong to the same age and market target group of those who are likely to suffer from this COPD condition, so it probably seemed a no-brainer.
When I'll be middled-aged to old there will be commercials for prostatitis meds with Adele's music in the background.

[TrueFaith77]

Like all it does is repeat "Go Your Own Way" 3 times. The first two times it sounds like women/woman singing. The third time sounds like Lindsey. It's so bizarre I think Lindsey might even be behind it.

[ViscountViktor]

Aaaah it's awful :D What is that :D:D

[dontlookdown]

I did a little research into Lindsey's publishing/copyright history and it looks like he has either split publishing rights (or sold publishing rights) for most songs post-Buckingham Nicks with a publishing company called Kobalt Music. Looks like they control most of what was published under the Now Sounds Music name.

So as suspected, the composition can be licensed without his permission (although I'm sure the publisher gets him to weigh in) -- but the actual original recordings for all of his songs are owned by him 100%. So if you hear the original version of the recording, it means he gave permission to have it licensed. If you hear a cover, it most likely was out of his hands, but he still gets 50% profit from the deal.

Songs with multiple writers is a different story.
And the publishing rights to the Buckingham Nicks songs seem to be owned by multiple people - sometimes as much as 5 different publishing companies. Hence the no cd release.
It would probably require multiple attorneys and buy-outs; which is certainly doable but would take lots of time, paperwork and $$$.

I think the first time the "no Fleetwood Mac song will ever be in a movie or a commercial" rule was broken was when Stevie agreed to a request to have Landslide appear in an episode of One Tree Hill.
Led Zeppelin also allowed one of their songs to be played in an episode, and both deals were unprecedented for a licensing deal.

I loved that the band was following the example of the Beatles by not allowing any original recordings in TV, Film or advertising; but when it became clear that the record business was dying (or changing); they slowly changed their tune.

[button-lip]

Songs with multiple writers is a different story.
And the publishing rights to the Buckingham Nicks songs seem to be owned by multiple people - sometimes as much as 5 different publishing companies. Hence the no cd release.
It would probably require multiple attorneys and buy-outs; which is certainly doable but would take lots of time, paperwork and $$$.

I remember Stevie saying they bought the rights to the Buckingham Nicks songs. As in she and Lindsey. I don't know if there are more people involved, but I believe that it's probably the case.

We know Stevie: she just love to talk about "me and Lindsey". :laugh:

[bombaysaffires]

Like all it does is repeat "Go Your Own Way" 3 times. The first two times it sounds like women/woman singing. The third time sounds like Lindsey. It's so bizarre I think Lindsey might even be behind it.

hmmm it sounded like the same chick all the way through to me....:shrug:

[dontlookdown]

So then the question is, how could Stevie allow Landslide to be played in a beer commercial without Mick's permission, but not be allowed to put SS on her album?

It's so confusing.

She wrote Landslide, and owns the publishing rights to it. Mick has no say on how it's licensed -- he would only be able to do that for songs that he wrote.

The Silver Springs issue is different - not a licensing issue but a band/business issue.

[bwboy]

Guess I'm being dense, but I still don't get it. Stevie wrote Silver Springs, just like she did Landslide, so what's the difference? And how could Mick be the one to say Stevie couldn't put SS on her album? I mean, could John have the power to keep Stevie from using SS? Or was it just Mick, and if so, how?

[HomerMcvie]

Guess I'm being dense, but I still don't get it. Stevie wrote Silver Springs, just like she did Landslide, so what's the difference? And how could Mick be the one to say Stevie couldn't put SS on her album? I mean, could John have the power to keep Stevie from using SS? Or was it just Mick, and if so, how?

My understanding- she was free to RErecord SS, just not use the FM recording, because Dick wanted it for the boxed set (that sold 50 copies).

[bombaysaffires]

My understanding- she was free to RErecord SS, just not use the FM recording, because Dick wanted it for the boxed set (that sold 50 copies).

I think the other poster's question is, both Landslide and Silver Springs were Stevie-written, band-recorded, and one she used in a commercial and one she couldn't even put on her own solo album.

It seems the crux of the issue in both cases is/was money. Silver Springs would have been a new song to most people and therefore could generate income for the band-- having it on a band compilation album would give that album a new song most people didn't have and a new song to be released to radio all of which would generate band revenue. If she put it on her solo album all that interest and income would go elsewhere. Now, the question of HOW Mick had the authority to tell her no is another still murky question. He wasn't the manager of FM at the time she was doing her solo compilation.... so otherwise there must be some sort of contract/agreement signed by the band about needing agreement from everyone in the band to use a band recording? Or does Warner's get a say since they own the masters??

With Landslide, if there is such an agreement/contract, the fact she was able to use the song would seem to indicate she was able to get everyone to agree to let her use it. Landslide has been around so long it's not really going to generate new sales for the band so no risk of sabotaging the sales of a new FM album (and it might even help sell some of their back catalogue). Maybe she had to share some portion of the money with the band to use the actual band recording??

We need a music industry legal person to weigh in.

[HomerMcvie]

What you said. I'm having a "phone only"(no computer) week, and I HATE trying to type out long responses on it.

But yeah, they probably all have to sign off on it?, and bankrupt Mick will always put what's best for his wallet, first.

[jwd]

Has anyone seen it? How could they have sold their song to a commercial for COPD medication? SO BAD.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/wqcE/anoro-i-have-copd


I hardly even recognized it as the song, the snippets were so small. And if Lindsey made some money off of it, good for him!

[dontlookdown]

I think the other poster's question is, both Landslide and Silver Springs were Stevie-written, band-recorded, and one she used in a commercial and one she couldn't even put on her own solo album.

It seems the crux of the issue in both cases is/was money. Silver Springs would have been a new song to most people and therefore could generate income for the band-- having it on a band compilation album would give that album a new song most people didn't have and a new song to be released to radio all of which would generate band revenue. If she put it on her solo album all that interest and income would go elsewhere. Now, the question of HOW Mick had the authority to tell her no is another still murky question. He wasn't the manager of FM at the time she was doing her solo compilation.... so otherwise there must be some sort of contract/agreement signed by the band about needing agreement from everyone in the band to use a band recording? Or does Warner's get a say since they own the masters??

With Landslide, if there is such an agreement/contract, the fact she was able to use the song would seem to indicate she was able to get everyone to agree to let her use it. Landslide has been around so long it's not really going to generate new sales for the band so no risk of sabotaging the sales of a new FM album (and it might even help sell some of their back catalogue). Maybe she had to share some portion of the money with the band to use the actual band recording??

We need a music industry legal person to weigh in.


I can only weigh in about music supervision and licensing.
Fleetwood Mac might have some sort of agreement within the band, where there has to be unanimous votes amongst everyone when it comes to sequencing, songs getting swapped between band and solo efforts, etc. R.E.M. worked that way - they had to have all band members agree on every decision or it got killed.
Who knows, Stevie could have embellished the situation about Silver Springs to make it a more interesting conversation.

But regarding licensing rights - it's a 50/50 split between the writer(s) and publisher(s) always. The deal always has to equal 100% no matter how many writers and publishers own a song. Each side gets 50% of the agreed upon amount. Mick or anyone else in the band aside from Stevie, would have zero legal rights to how Landslide is licensed.
But I'm sure if any of them have reservations about any song's use, they're going to express their concerns. (i.e. "I understand you want your song to be used in that commercial, but I' don't think it's a great idea -- it wouldn't be good for the Fleetwood Mac brand used in that context, etc.")

[lilyfee]

I thought it was Lindsey singing at the end of this ad. :eek: Based on this thread, it sounds like Landslide has been strategically licensed out to make money (Budweiser commercial, One Tree Hill deal... Wasn't it also in a movie trailer for a movie about suffragists last year?), however I think this is a low for GYOW. I can't imagine Lindsey or whoever owns this track is making much money off of this commercial. And it makes the song sound bad! :distress:

Dying over the GO Your Own Way comment!:laugh: