DC (Wolf Trap) show tonight!

[elle]

starting a thread before getting on the beltway... post away!

[jbrownsjr]

Hope the weather is good for you!

[lennonfan]

the weather tonight is fab in these parts.

[bwboy]

Anxiously awaiting your review, Elle! And everyone else's who goes to the show!

[button-lip]

starting a thread before getting on the beltway... post away!

Waiting for your vids on Periscope! :blob2:

[jbrownsjr]

I'm just waiting around the corrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrner

[button-lip]

I'm just waiting around the corrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrner

Did you buy your ticket for the LA concert?

After I saw the NYC and LA dates, I started wondering if maybe it was better for me to attend any of those shows, but "fortunately" for me it was impossible to combine Classic East with NYC BuckVie concert or Classic West with LA BuckVie concert.

So, I'm happy with my choices. :woohoo:

[elle]

Hope the weather is good for you!
thanks - yeah the weather here was just gorgeous today!

i'm uploading on youtube, unfortunately very all my vids are very whited out, but there are some great closeups if you make it through all the overexposed parts.

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[elle]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/BuckinghamMcvie">@BuckinghamMcvie</a> really enjoyed your show tonight !<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BuckinghamMcVie?src=hash">#BuckinghamMcVie</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/lindseybuckingham?src=hash">#lindseybuckingham</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/christinemcvie?src=hash">#christinemcvie</a> <a href="https://t.co/IQ2dakPF0u">pic.twitter.com/IQ2dakPF0u</a></p>&mdash; Todd N (@digmuzak) <a href="https://twitter.com/digmuzak/status/879578429376614400">June 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[elle]

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Sleeping Around The Corner
Hold Me
Too Far Gone
In My World
Shut Us Down

[BLY]

Elle, thanks for the great videos and pics.....I'm really looking forward to the Philly show on Friday!

[sue]

Further thanks, Elle.....
Especially from the UK, where as it stands at the moment, we won't
be seeing them live.
Super photos....

[jbrownsjr]

I can actually hear Christine sing and play keys in your vids. :nod:

[AlexD]

Still not exactly sure why Lindsey isn't actually playing guitar on Love is Here to Stay

[HomerMcvie]

I can actually hear Christine sing and play keys in your vids. :nod:

Are you sure she's actually playing?

Hold Me drives me crazy...as much as I LOVE that song, I hate it dropped from D to B!!!

[jeets2000]

Still not exactly sure why Lindsey isn't actually playing guitar on Love is Here to Stay

He's not...?

[jeets2000]

Just catching up now, but I was lucky enough to attend the Raleigh show (was up front dead center in the pit... sorry Elle, didn't know you were there or I would have tried to introduce myself!) and the show last night in Virginia. Both great shows, but very different in terms of audience/vibe, I thought.

The VA crowd seemed much larger and, thanks to the venue, you could really hear both the band and the crowd reaction very well. There were a few times Lindsey looked at Chris with kind of big eyes after a song ended and the crowd was going nuts, which was cool. My biggest complaint is that everybody sat for the whole show until GYOW. I was in row D and stood during Tusk (c'mon people, live a little).

Overall, a great couple of shows. I enjoyed my experience in Raleigh more because I was right up front (Chris waved to me, and I died), but the sound at Wolf Trap was incredible. :thumbsup:

[jbrownsjr]

Are you sure she's actually playing?

Hold Me drives me crazy...as much as I LOVE that song, I hate it dropped from D to B!!!

Yes, because I saw Brett doing padded synth. (I'm 90% sure) but i have bad eyes, lately :( Eye sight is going.

[HomerMcvie]

Yes, because I saw Brett doing padded synth. (I'm 90% sure) but i have bad eyes, lately :( Eye sight is going.

Just because he was playing, doesn't mean that she was, right?

I would post Hold Me(the only song I videoed in it's entirety), but some idiot :o is singing along, the entire time. So I WON'T.

Didn't your Mama warn you? Yeah, I didn't listen, either...:lol:

[jbrownsjr]

Just because he was playing, doesn't mean that she was, right?

I would post Hold Me(the only song I videoed in it's entirety), but some idiot :o is singing along, the entire time. So I WON'T.

Didn't your Mama warn you? Yeah, I didn't listen, either...:lol:

When Christine is really playing, her concentration shows on her face. I saw that, too. Leave my mama out of this!

[elle]

When Christine is really playing, her concentration shows on her face. I saw that, too. Leave my mama out of this!

also, at the end of Hold Me yesterday, when there's that little keyboard part, he looks at her with the smile and gives her a little nod and a thumbs-up encouraging look like "yay you are doing it girl!" it was cute.

[HomerMcvie]

When Christine is really playing, her concentration shows on her face. I saw that, too. Leave my mama out of this!

She's my Mama too, biotch!!!!

[button-lip]

She's my Mama too, biotch!!!!

Thank God my mama is Stevie! And I don't share her with any crazy fan! :angel::woohoo:

[HomerMcvie]

Thank God my mama is Stevie! And I don't share her with any crazy fan! :angel::woohoo:

Go ahead with your selfish self!

Really, go ahead!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[button-lip]

Go ahead with your selfish self!

Really, go ahead!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I just wanna be like her when I grow up. Oh, and like you! :thumbsup: :nod:

[AlexD]

He's not...?

No, not until the outro solo. The main guitar part is definitely pre recorded. You can tell for a few reasons

1. The guitar part sounds completely identical to how it does on the album
2. A few times in videos you can see he puts his hand at the wrong place on the guitar neck and it keeps playing with no mistake

It has something to do with the way the right hand picking is. You can't play the song exactly the way it is on the album live. You can get so close that 99.9% of the audience wouldn't know the difference, but for some reason he isn't playing it himself

[elle]

No, not until the outro solo. The main guitar part is definitely pre recorded. You can tell for a few reasons

1. The guitar part sounds completely identical to how it does on the album
2. A few times in videos you can see he puts his hand at the wrong place on the guitar neck and it keeps playing with no mistake

It has something to do with the way the right hand picking is. You can't play the song exactly the way it is on the album live. You can get so close that 99.9% of the audience wouldn't know the difference, but for some reason he isn't playing it himself

yeah he's not playing the bulk of it. this is the first tour i've seen him on where he's not really playing these picking songs... wonder whether arthritis or some other age-related problem caught up with him? he's been extremely lucky for a long time to be able to pluck and pick like he's been doing. i mean during OMS in 2012 he was doing Rock Away Blind by request, off the cuff.

[secondhandchain]

yeah he's not playing the bulk of it. this is the first tour i've seen him on where he's not really playing these picking songs... wonder whether arthritis or some other age-related problem caught up with him? he's been extremely lucky for a long time to be able to pluck and pick like he's been doing. i mean during OMS in 2012 he was doing Rock Away Blind by request, off the cuff.

Well that's just depressing. If Big Love is retired for good we will know for sure. I saw FM last tour and that was the last time for me. Going to see these two in LA and that will be my farewell to seeing FM show.

[jeets2000]

yeah he's not playing the bulk of it. this is the first tour i've seen him on where he's not really playing these picking songs... wonder whether arthritis or some other age-related problem caught up with him? he's been extremely lucky for a long time to be able to pluck and pick like he's been doing. i mean during OMS in 2012 he was doing Rock Away Blind by request, off the cuff.

So, he's not playing (some of) those intro songs (Trouble, NGBA, Shut Us Down, etc.) either? Really? It would surprise (and sadden) me if this were a wider phenomenon than LIHTS.

[bombaysaffires]

So, he's not playing (some of) those intro songs (Trouble, NGBA, Shut Us Down, etc.) either? Really? It would surprise (and sadden) me if this were a wider phenomenon than LIHTS.

it would sadden me also......

It sounds from folks that he IS playing on NGBA and Trouble ....??

[elle]

So, he's not playing (some of) those intro songs (Trouble, NGBA, Shut Us Down, etc.) either? Really? It would surprise (and sadden) me if this were a wider phenomenon than LIHTS.
no pretty sure he's playing those. there's really no reason to do NGBA or SUD if he's not playing them.

[AlexD]

So, he's not playing (some of) those intro songs (Trouble, NGBA, Shut Us Down, etc.) either? Really? It would surprise (and sadden) me if this were a wider phenomenon than LIHTS.

Those songs he actually plays for sure. LIHTS is the only song I've noticed his whole career where the guitar part is totally canned. Like I said, it's just something with the picking and how the song can't properly be imitated live

[HomerMcvie]

No, not until the outro solo. The main guitar part is definitely pre recorded. You can tell for a few reasons

1. The guitar part sounds completely identical to how it does on the album
2. A few times in videos you can see he puts his hand at the wrong place on the guitar neck and it keeps playing with no mistake

It has something to do with the way the right hand picking is. You can't play the song exactly the way it is on the album live. You can get so close that 99.9% of the audience wouldn't know the difference, but for some reason he isn't playing it himself

OH!!! I did forget to report(I'm sure others have noticed) that he was playing with a pick on the last two songs of the show! He may have been before that, but I hadn't pushed up front(to give Chris her roses) until the encores(and gain the side vantage point). That's when I noticed.

[elle]

Those songs he actually plays for sure. LIHTS is the only song I've noticed his whole career where the guitar part is totally canned. Like I said, it's just something with the picking and how the song can't properly be imitated live
but the thing is - it can, he normally could do much more than that. did you ever hear him do Red Rover at that soundcheck or Rock Away Blind, or yes, BL, or even BTLH last year? there's something going on why he has a problem now with fast picking. hope whatever it is, it gets better fast!

[elle]

OH!!! I did forget to report(I'm sure others have noticed) that he was playing with a pick on the last two songs of the show! He may have been before that, but I hadn't pushed up front(to give Chris her roses) until the encores(and gain the side vantage point). That's when I noticed.
yeah i noticed that yesterday. but he always plays some songs with the pick. i think when he was doing original Go Insane on Unleashed and GOS tours he was playing it with the pick. i think Without You or another song on 2013 tour he played with the pick too.

[AlexD]

but the thing is - it can, he normally could do much more than that. did you ever hear him do Red Rover at that soundcheck or Rock Away Blind, or yes, BL, or even BTLH last year? there's something going on why he has a problem now with fast picking. hope whatever it is, it gets better fast!

Shut Us Down is 100x more difficult on the hand than LIHTS so it's kind of odd to me. I'm not sure how to explain it, but the way each guitar lick In LIHTS doubles up on the last note can't really be played live the same way it is on the record. The way he's "playing" it with his right hand sounds wrong if you actually pick up a guitar and play it that way. Sorry that might not make that much sense, but I don't really know what other way to put it over text.

[AlexD]

Brian Larsen has a video on his insatgram of him playing it. The way he plays it isn't exactly like the album, but it's how Lindsey should do it live instead of just canning it

[ViscountViktor]

Are you sure she's actually playing?

Hold Me drives me crazy...as much as I LOVE that song, I hate it dropped from D to B!!!

She's struggling to hit notes even in that key.

I hope it is Christine playing the piano part.

[ViscountViktor]

No, not until the outro solo. The main guitar part is definitely pre recorded. You can tell for a few reasons

1. The guitar part sounds completely identical to how it does on the album
2. A few times in videos you can see he puts his hand at the wrong place on the guitar neck and it keeps playing with no mistake

It has something to do with the way the right hand picking is. You can't play the song exactly the way it is on the album live. You can get so close that 99.9% of the audience wouldn't know the difference, but for some reason he isn't playing it himself

This is very disappointing. He was playing Big Love live on the last FM tour, surely that's harder?

[HomerMcvie]

She's struggling to hit notes even in that key.

I hope it is Christine playing the piano part.

On Friday, I thought she was playing it. Then someone else posted that they thought she wasn't, so now I'm not sure.

OKAY, I'm 98% sure she's not playing it. Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j74ICrp_UOY

Firstly, other than Jimmy giving the tempo, there's NO reason for him to count off the song, other than if they were playing with a track. Him giving 4 clicks to start the song tells me that it's a track we're hearing.

Secondly, notice her left hand adjusting her hair, WHILE SHE'S supposedly playing the intro. Her left hand should be playing either a F#m>E chord progression, or at least F#>E bass notes. But she's adjusting her hair...

Your Honor, I rest my case... Karaoke.:o

[Peestie]

Shut Us Down is 100x more difficult on the hand than LIHTS so it's kind of odd to me. I'm not sure how to explain it, but the way each guitar lick In LIHTS doubles up on the last note can't really be played live the same way it is on the record. The way he's "playing" it with his right hand sounds wrong if you actually pick up a guitar and play it that way. Sorry that might not make that much sense, but I don't really know what other way to put it over text.
It's so strange. Within 30 seconds of picking up a guitar I was able to approximate the picking so I don't understand why Lindsey isn't doing it :shrug: It's definitely not a talent thing because, as you say, it's not difficult. Maybe it is because the timing of the drums is quite precise and if the guitar isn't perfect it breaks down? But even then, Lindsey is a supremely talented guitarist with decades of experience playing with a band.

[ViscountViktor]

On Friday, I thought she was playing it. Then someone else posted that they thought she wasn't, so now I'm not sure.

OKAY, I'm 98% sure she's not playing it. Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j74ICrp_UOY

Firstly, other than Jimmy giving the tempo, there's NO reason for him to count off the song, other than if they were playing with a track. Him giving 4 clicks to start the song tells me that it's a track we're hearing.

Secondly, notice her left hand adjusting her hair, WHILE SHE'S supposedly playing the intro. Her left hand should be playing either a F#m>E chord progression, or at least F#>E bass notes. But she's adjusting her hair...

Your Honor, I rest my case... Karaoke.:o

And Jimmy is looking at Brett as well at the beginning, so maybe he's playing it.

If only we had a side view.

[HomerMcvie]

And Jimmy is looking at Brett as well at the beginning, so maybe he's playing it.

If only we had a side view.

The main difference I'm pointing out, is that Jimmy isn't giving the TEMPO, he's beginning the song(HUGE DIFFERENCE). For a song that starts with piano ONLY, there's no reason for this, OTHER THAN HE'S STARTING THE KARAOKE MACHINE. I'd bet $50 on this.

I do monitors for too many acts that play with tracks, and the above is a dead giveaway.

[jbrownsjr]

The main difference I'm pointing out, is that Jimmy isn't giving the TEMPO, he's beginning the song(HUGE DIFFERENCE). For a song that starts with piano ONLY, there's no reason for this, OTHER THAN HE'S STARTING THE KARAOKE MACHINE. I'd bet $50 on this.

I do monitors for too many acts that play with tracks, and the above is a dead giveaway.

Yep, and it's not just Christine.. it's Linsdey, too. This really floors me.

[button-lip]

The main difference I'm pointing out, is that Jimmy isn't giving the TEMPO, he's beginning the song(HUGE DIFFERENCE). For a song that starts with piano ONLY, there's no reason for this, OTHER THAN HE'S STARTING THE KARAOKE MACHINE. I'd bet $50 on this.

I do monitors for too many acts that play with tracks, and the above is a dead giveaway.

Seriously, this is bad. How can Mr. Perfectionist Lindsey Buckingham allow this? :eek:

[pattyfan]

I hate to be a big nay sayer, but this seems like a case of the Emperor's New Clothes. It's really really sad that the main point of discussion here is whether Christine and Lindsey are playing/singing on which songs. Add to that the fact (not conjecture but fact) that they are piping in background vocals and you get a really poor excuse for live music. I adore Fleetwood Mac as we all do here, and it pains me to write this, but live music should be live music. IF Christine can't play because of arthritis, which I totally understand, then don't have her sitting at a keyboard pretending. I completely understand and sympathize with the fact that they are aging. We all have to deal with that and it's really hard when our bodies start letting us down. But I think it's fundamentally wrong to pretend that they are playing when they aren't. It's not respectful of the audience. And while I don't really know their financial situations, if they aren't set for life, then something is really wrong. Why can't they have one or two background singers who actually sing the background vocals? I have a hard time believing that they can't afford that. Anyway, sorry to be so negative, and I'll be ducking all the rotten tomatoes that get thrown my way as soon as I post this, but this whole thing makes me really sad.

[vivfox]

I hate to be a big nay sayer, but this seems like a case of the Emperor's New Clothes. It's really really sad that the main point of discussion here is whether Christine and Lindsey are planing/singing on which songs. Add to that the fact (not conjecture but fact) that they are piping in background vocals and you get a really poor excuse for live music. I adore Fleetwood Mac as we all do here, and it pains me to write this, but live music should be live music. IF Christine can't play because of arthritis, which I totally understand, then don't have her sitting at a keyboard pretending. I completely understand and sympathize with the fact that they are aging. We all have to deal with that and it's really hard when our bodies start letting us down. But I think it's fundamentally wrong to pretend that they are playing when they aren't. It's not respectful of the audience. And while I don't really know their financial situations, if they aren't set for life, then something is really wrong. Why can't they have one or two background singers who actually sing the background vocals? I have a hard time believing that they can't afford that. Anyway, sorry to be so negative, and I'll be ducking all the rotten tomatoes that get thrown my way as soon as I post this, but this whole thing makes me really sad.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said here. Every video I have watched so far has baffled me how they could be touring and sounding so awful. Now I am glad I didn't buy a ticket for the Boston show. I do realize the sound I am hearing is what was recorded from fan's telephones but seriously, watching them gives me the feeling I am viewing an amateur act at some local club of which I walk out on after the 5th song cause they just can't seem to get it together. And I blame most of this bad performing on our beloved Christine. Lindsey looks slightly uncomfortable as if he's trying to hold things together but even his dignity can't save this sorry excuse of a performance.

[HomerMcvie]

Seriously, this is bad. How can Mr. Perfectionist Lindsey Buckingham allow this? :eek:

I think Lindsey is completely to blame for the karaoke.

Last time I saw him solo, he played along with karaoke for half of his show. It's f*cking TACKY, and he should know better.

[button-lip]

I think Lindsey is completely to blame for the karaoke.

Last time I saw him solo, he played along with karaoke for half of his show. It's f*cking TACKY, and he should know better.

And I wonder how they're gonna manage a year and a half tour in these conditions....

[elle]

I think Lindsey is completely to blame for the karaoke.

Last time I saw him solo, he played along with karaoke for half of his show. It's f*cking TACKY, and he should know better.

No. It was completely different for his one man show. He was not *pretending* to play when he didn't, he would put the backing track on and standing without playing thus making it very clear when he used backup track - which was on 4 songs only, not the whole set. He would play stuff on request that he did not have planned too.

Very very different situation from this tour when they are pretending to be playing when they are not. Very weird.

To whoever is saying they are glad they are not going to see the show - you shouldn't be glad you are just depriving yourself of a really great experience. If you are going to see FM but not this, then your thinking makes no sense whatsoever because they'll just do the same thing. Remember Mick has hidden drummer who they don't even introduce as a part of the band.

[bwboy]

I suspect Christine is using the keyboard as a crutch. She has said several times in interviews she prefers to stay out of the spotlight while on stage, and she always seemed a bit uncomfortable when singing Everywhere or Say You Love Me away from her keyboards. At least with Tusk, she had her accordion to keep her hands busy. So I would say that her stage discomfort is why she stays behind the keyboards and pretends to play, even when she's not. It's clear she doesn't just want to sing behind a microphone.

[HomerMcvie]

I suspect Christine is using the keyboard as a crutch. She has said several times in interviews she prefers to stay out of the spotlight while on stage, and she always seemed a bit uncomfortable when singing Everywhere or Say You Love Me away from her keyboards. At least with Tusk, she had her accordion to keep her hands busy. So I would say that her stage discomfort is why she stays behind the keyboards and pretends to play, even when she's not. It's clear she doesn't just want to sing behind a microphone.

I have a Rumours GYOW rehearsal mp3, where they play for a bit, then discuss what to work on. She clearly says(to Richard, I assume), to keep the organ very low in the mix during the verses. She's only holding chords, because she doesn't want to stand there and do nothing. So it was sort of a prop there.

[pattyfan]

I suspect Christine is using the keyboard as a crutch. She has said several times in interviews she prefers to stay out of the spotlight while on stage, and she always seemed a bit uncomfortable when singing Everywhere or Say You Love Me away from her keyboards. At least with Tusk, she had her accordion to keep her hands busy. So I would say that her stage discomfort is why she stays behind the keyboards and pretends to play, even when she's not. It's clear she doesn't just want to sing behind a microphone.


IF that's the case, then it begs the question of how well they really thought this tour through. To me it sort of seems like when a great athlete starts to age. She might hope for that one great run through a tournament or that one last great game, but watching while she goes out there hoping for that can be painful, and it may come, or it may not. I kind of resolved myself to the fact that Fleetwood Mac had extra musicians when they toured, but I didn't know that during their shows they weren't always playing. I'm going to try to forget that I know that, and with my memory these days, it just might work. :) Now I'm hoping that they don't add a Bay Area show because if they do, I'll probably go, basically just to hear the new songs and Wish You Were Here, canned vocals and extra musicians be damned.

[ViscountViktor]

Agree with all points, canned vocals and miming instruments have no place in a live tour.

Good point, why not get some backing singers in?

[elle]

ok people, i'm tired of all this negativity in the thread about the fabulous DC show.

move it all on to Boston!

in the meantime, here's a link to the photo of the crowd at Wolf Trap that i took from the pit - to all naysayers about how they were not gonna be selling the shows - here you go, sold out inside this gorgeous venue plus thousands of people on the lawn:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1438050442923325&set=gm.1383991058382051&type=3&theater

[Aussie W/Heart]

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said here. Every video I have watched so far has baffled me how they could be touring and sounding so awful. Now I am glad I didn't buy a ticket for the Boston show. I do realize the sound I am hearing is what was recorded from fan's telephones but seriously, watching them gives me the feeling I am viewing an amateur act at some local club of which I walk out on after the 5th song cause they just can't seem to get it together. And I blame most of this bad performing on our beloved Christine. Lindsey looks slightly uncomfortable as if he's trying to hold things together but even his dignity can't save this sorry excuse of a performance.

Yep I agree, pretty much cringe worthy to my ears as well.. sorry to say but Christine can hardly hold a tune from what i have listened to so far.. Give me Stevie any-day, she never disappoints..

[HomerMcvie]

ok people, i'm tired of all this negativity in the thread about the fabulous DC show.

move it all Boston

Whew. Idk what we'd do without you. Thanks for your tutelage! :wavey:

[iamnotafraid]

Every video I have watched so far has baffled me how they could be touring and sounding so awful. I do realize the sound I am hearing is what was recorded from fan's telephones but seriously...

As much as I hate to, I totally agree with this.

I like the album and wish them the best of luck.
And even think they're better off without "her".
But of the videos I've watched it's really sounding bad
live in concert.

David told me to pull no punches. Blame him!

[elle]

As much as I hate to, I totally agree with this.

I like the album and wish them the best of luck.
And even think they're better off without "her".
But of the videos I've watched it's really sounding bad
live in concert.

David told me to pull no punches. Blame him!

isn't it interesting that people who actually were at one of their concerts have totally different opinion of how they sound from people sitting at home listening to bad videos on facebook live?? see the concert before you judge from bad phone videos taken right in front of the speakers. it's like you all never heard the difference between a sound at the concert (unless you are right upfront in not-so-great venue) and a bad youtube videos - but maybe you all really don't know there's a huge difference? ;):p

i can tell you that in concert they sound great. especially in a proper concert hall venues such as wolftrap - sound there was so full, lush and perfect.