Lindsey interview

[Lola]

http://www.newsobserver.com/entertainment/music-news-reviews/on-the-beat-blog/article157338864.html
Talking about the small, medium, big machine and the touring band. Few other things we're familiar with.

[Lola]

Another short one with Lindsey and Chris.
http://ilovebobfm.com/2017/06/21/buckingham-mcvie-talk-details-tour/
The writer didn't add the extra dates and listed Landslide instead of Little Lies.

[secondhandchain]

For someone who is all about the art of music, the machine crap doesn't make it sound that arty at all!:laugh:

[Frankenstein]

Lindsey's been making some interesting comments about Fleetwood Mac lately. First "take the money and run" about the festival shows this year; Now in this article he says that solo tours are way more entertaining/enjoyable in some ways, and that he doesn't see another new album on the horizon because "the politics make that all the more tenuous".

Maybe he is tired of the greatest-hits cash grab tours from the Big Machine like many of us are.

[jbrownsjr]

For someone who is all about the art of music, the machine crap doesn't make it sound that arty at all!:laugh:

Seriously, just sing the songs. Quit slowing it down, quit using back up tracks for guitar. Christine please please for the love of God, play something other than a chorded organ part. If she had not done the Hold Me solo I would have sold my tickets.

You're there to perform.. you're paid to do your job.

[button-lip]

Lindsey's been making some interesting comments about Fleetwood Mac lately. First "take the money and run" about the festival shows this year; Now in this article he says that solo tours are way more entertaining/enjoyable in some ways, and that he doesn't see another new album on the horizon because "the politics make that all the more tenuous".

Maybe he is tired of the greatest-hits cash grab tours from the Big Machine like many of us are.

I'm also having that impression lately. Like I said earlier, this is gonna be an interesting tour. Or not. :laugh:

[aleuzzi]

Seriously, just sing the songs. Quit slowing it down, quit using back up tracks for guitar. Christine please please for the love of God, play something other than a chorded organ part. If she had not done the Hold Me solo I would have sold my tickets.

You're there to perform.. you're paid to do your job.

I'm with you. If it's too physically challenging to play and sing at the same time (it might be--she IS almost 74) then have back-up players play it all live. But play it live.

I am getting the sense that Lindsey is calling all of the shots with regards to the tour, the production, the arrangement. Christine has always generously given him the power to make such decisions, but after I read that he told her one of her SIX songs had to be cut I thought, WTF? So what if she has six and he has five? And, for that matter, why don't you get her to have more audible presence on the five songs you cut BEFORE she rejoined? I know I'm rambling and sort of jumbled, but my complaints are of a piece: Lindsey calls the shots but not all of his calls are the right calls. Stevie pushes back and sometimes gets her way. Christine acquiesces because she is generous, possibly a bit lazy, and still a bit shaky as she remerges from her 16 years of retirement. Interviews reveal that "Feel About You" is HER song, for example. Not a co-write. Lindsey's "strong hand" in production has garnered him a composition credit. Stevie would not have done that, no matter how inventive his arrangement might be. Lindsey calls it "band politics." But isn't the job of the producer to do exactly what he does and be credited AS A PRODUCER--not as a co-writer? Sorry, I ramble.

I'm still ecstatic for the new music and rocked out to it in the car to and from work today.

[HomerMcvie]

While I would never defend them playing with tracks (I HATE it), almost all new pop artists (rock and country) play with tracks now. Everyone expects everything to sound just like the record, these days. :mad:

[bombaysaffires]

I'm with you. If it's too physically challenging to play and sing at the same time (it might be--she IS almost 74) then have back-up players play it all live. But play it live.

I am getting the sense that Lindsey is calling all of the shots with regards to the tour, the production, the arrangement. Christine has always generously given him the power to make such decisions, but after I read that he told her one of her SIX songs had to be cut I thought, WTF? So what if she has six and he has five? And, for that matter, why don't you get her to have more audible presence on the five songs you cut BEFORE she rejoined? I know I'm rambling and sort of jumbled, but my complaints are of a piece: Lindsey calls the shots but not all of his calls are the right calls. Stevie pushes back and sometimes gets her way. Christine acquiesces because she is generous, possibly a bit lazy, and still a bit shaky as she remerges from her 16 years of retirement. Interviews reveal that "Feel About You" is HER song, for example. Not a co-write. Lindsey's "strong hand" in production has garnered him a composition credit. Stevie would not have done that, no matter how inventive his arrangement might be. Lindsey calls it "band politics." But isn't the job of the producer to do exactly what he does and be credited AS A PRODUCER--not as a co-writer? Sorry, I ramble.

I'm still ecstatic for the new music and rocked out to it in the car to and from work today.

I agree with this. Your statement about the job of a producer has been one of my biggest chafes with him for years--- yeah, you arrange the songs. THAT'S WHAT A PRODUCER/ARRANGER/MUSICAL DIRECTOR does. That's why you get CREDITS for that and PAYMENT. Oy.

in the DR doc, when they are listening to Stevie's demos-- real demos, not songwriting demos--- which are arranged how she thinks they should go, you hear him say to her at one point "I really like what he's done there, there's a lot of stuff I can just use" -- meaning whoever she worked with to produce the demos did stuff that he wants to keep in terms of the arrangement, etc. Yet do you see anyone but him listed as producer on that record?? By his logic (of wanting cowrite credit for his arranging work) shouldn't whoever arranged/produced her demos get at least a co-producer or arranger credit on the fm album since they are using that person's ideas lifted straight from the demos?? You can't have it both ways. He always uses "band politics" as a reference to Stevie, but "band politics" have always included him too. Pot, meet kettle.

[HomerMcvie]

Yes, but Christine doesn't mind him holding the reins. That's the difference!

In fact, I'm sure she prefers it.

[jbrownsjr]

Yes, but Christine doesn't mind him holding the reins. That's the difference!

In fact, I'm sure she prefers it.

She doesn't seem as tough as pre-retired Christine. Pills and booze and cookies took a lot out of her. lol

[HomerMcvie]

She doesn't seem as tough as pre-retired Christine. Pills and booze and cookies took a lot out of her. lol

She ain't 50 now. I'm positive that she likes him being in charge. She said he was the best guitar player FM ever had. She respects the F out of him.

[jbrownsjr]

She ain't 50 now. I'm positive that she likes him being in charge. She said he was the best guitar player FM ever had. She respects the F out of him.

And he needed her, as well. I just miss the jams... Play your instruments.

[HomerMcvie]

And he needed her, as well. I just miss the jams... Play your instruments.

Again, everyone fakes it now. Plastic bitches. :o

[bombaysaffires]

Again, everyone fakes it now. Plastic bitches. :o

doesn't make it right.

most of the new acts fake it because they don't have the talent to begin with.

[HomerMcvie]

doesn't make it right.

most of the new acts fake it because they don't have the talent to begin with.

Absolutely!

But remember that 30!!!!(god, kill me now) years ago, they decided that they needed backup singers, and keyboard players hidden behind curtains (fact). So they've been playing with hidden human tracks for 3 decades.

[aleuzzi]

I agree with this. Your statement about the job of a producer has been one of my biggest chafes with him for years--- yeah, you arrange the songs. THAT'S WHAT A PRODUCER/ARRANGER/MUSICAL DIRECTOR does. That's why you get CREDITS for that and PAYMENT. Oy.

in the DR doc, when they are listening to Stevie's demos-- real demos, not songwriting demos--- which are arranged how she thinks they should go, you hear him say to her at one point "I really like what he's done there, there's a lot of stuff I can just use" -- meaning whoever she worked with to produce the demos did stuff that he wants to keep in terms of the arrangement, etc. Yet do you see anyone but him listed as producer on that record?? By his logic (of wanting cowrite credit for his arranging work) shouldn't whoever arranged/produced her demos get at least a co-producer or arranger credit on the fm album since they are using that person's ideas lifted straight from the demos?? You can't have it both ways. He always uses "band politics" as a reference to Stevie, but "band politics" have always included him too. Pot, meet kettle.

Yes yes yes!

And I'm also tired lately of him taking so much credit for the shaping of the songs and doing things "for" Christine and Stevie. Okay, we get it, you're the producer. But his insistence on playing up his contributions in this regard actually have the opposite effect: it makes him seem like an insecure child who constantly needs to build up his own worth. Christine's acceptance of this occasionally seems like the she is pacifying him, and that she has an inner strength neither he nor Stevie possess, one in which humility trumps the need for constant recognition.

[secondhandchain]

Seriously, just sing the songs. Quit slowing it down, quit using back up tracks for guitar. Christine please please for the love of God, play something other than a chorded organ part. If she had not done the Hold Me solo I would have sold my tickets.

You're there to perform.. you're paid to do your job.

I meant all the "big, small, medium, machine talk" ha

[aleuzzi]

And he needed her, as well. I just miss the jams... Play your instruments.

You know it. Stop talking about how magical this all is and show us the magic. Part of the problem is the songs were built up piece by piece in the studio, and not, presumably, recorded live--the way, say, Christine's 1984 solo album was. Instead, like the songs from ITM and any number of LB's solo records, the music has to be learned for live performance. I'm not entirely convinced LB and CM are ready yet to play them entirely live. If so, they have themselves to blame: they've had years to practice these songs in-between the giant world tour.

[iamnotafraid]

Yes yes yes!

And I'm also tired lately of him taking so much credit for the shaping of the songs and doing things "for" Christine. But his insistence on playing up his contributions in this regard makes him seem like an insecure child who constantly needs to build up his own worth. Christine's acceptance of this occasionally seems like the she is pacifying him...

^Edited

Christine and Lindsey are very aware of Stevie's ongoing complaints
about Lindsey in this regard. Because of the constant put downs I think
they've made a conscious effort to support each other. Unlike Stevie,
Christine has enough confidence in herself to be able to compliment
Lindsey without worrying about her own worth to this project or any
other.

[aleuzzi]

^Edited

Unlike Stevie, Christine has enough confidence in herself to be able to compliment Lindsey without worrying about her own worth to this project or any
other.

Yeah, similar to what I said in the part of my original post you didn't quote:

"...and that she has an inner strength neither he nor Stevie possess, one in which humility trumps the need for constant recognition."

[bombaysaffires]

^Edited

Christine and Lindsey are very aware of Stevie's ongoing complaints
about Lindsey in this regard. Because of the constant put downs I think
they've made a conscious effort to support each other. Unlike Stevie,
Christine has enough confidence in herself to be able to compliment
Lindsey without worrying about her own worth to this project or any
other.

well it's interesting in a recent article Christine said she and Stevie have been communicating during the making of the BuckVie album-- Stevie asking how things have been going with Lindsey, and Christine saying that she was telling Stevie that Lindsey's "been a good boy" so far. So she knows what the issues are, she herself has even said that especially in the early days Lindsey could be very "abrasive" to work with (her word). She also mentioned being the "soft buffer" between those two. So I don't think she's made some extraordinary effort to bond with Lindsey to put off Stevie. I think she makes an effort (and maybe not that much effort, it's just who she is) to work well with both of them. Ah, band politics.