i dont get carnival begin

[David A]

it sounds like a total Im So Afriad knock off and really drags, and Game Of Pretend, is a big stinker, but love the rest

[MikeVielhaber]

it sounds like a total Im So Afriad knock off and really drags, and Game Of Pretend, is a big stinker, but love the rest

I don't really care for it much either. I like the solo but then it should be longer. Especially since the album as a whole is short on solos. The rest of the song doesn't really do it for me. They're going for that ISA feel, I assume, but it's nowhere near the song ISA is.

[sands of time]

I wonder if Rumours would have enjoyed the same success that it did if, in 1977, every moron was able to memorialize their irrelevant stupid opinion as if it mattered. Sad days. :(

[MikeVielhaber]

I wonder if Rumours would have enjoyed the same success that it did if, in 1977, every moron was able to memorialize their irrelevant stupid opinion as if it mattered. Sad days. :(

Don't think the name calling is necessary.

[BombaySapphire3]

I wonder if Rumours would have enjoyed the same success that it did if, in 1977, every moron was able to memorialize their irrelevant stupid opinion as if it mattered. Sad days. :(

This new album ain't Rumours but it is better than Time and Behind the Mask and may even sell more than Time. Personally I love Carnival Begin.

[BombaySapphire3]

Don't think the name calling is necessary.

I think what rubbed Sandy the wrong way is that someone started an entire thread to voice their dislike of one song.I think Feel About You should be swirling around in a commode but I wouldn't start a thread devoted to it.

[vivfox]

I think Feel About You should be swirling around in a commode but I wouldn't start a thread devoted to it.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[aleuzzi]

Everyone keeps noting the link between Carnival Begin and I'm So Afraid. But when I hear the former I think a lot more of Smile I Live For. All three songs share a common thread. What people don't note is that I'm So Afraid was heavily influenced by Fleetwood and the McVies. They took a folk dirge with excellent guitars and turned it into an Afro-percussive Blues.

[fleetwoodguy79]

it sounds like a total Im So Afriad knock off and really drags, and Game Of Pretend, is a big stinker, but love the rest

Those are definitely some of my favorite tracks on the album!

[Macfan4life]

Carnival Begin is probably my second favorite on the album. I love it. Fantastic writing and mystical. I love when Christine drifts from pure love songs to mystical love songs ;)
I recognize it for its creativity.

[aleuzzi]

Those are definitely some of my favorite tracks on the album!

Mine, too.

[Macfan4life]

We all have different likes but I am confused by the title of this thread..."I don't GET"
It does not say, I don't like. It implies you don't understand the context of the song which is a shame. Christine writes brilliantly with metaphors and subtle texts. Its a very well crafted song.
Does she have to explain how someone's love is like a circus wheel? But she does elaborate and explain.....changing all the time.
If you think about her adjectives, metaphors, and symbolism you will completely understand the song.

[jbrownsjr]

We all have different likes but I am confused by the title of this thread..."I don't GET"
It does not say, I don't like. It implies you don't understand the context of the song which is a shame. Christine writes brilliantly with metaphors and subtle texts. Its a very well crafted song.
Does she have to explain how someone's love is like a circus wheel? But she does elaborate and explain.....changing all the time.
If you think about her adjectives, metaphors, and symbolism you will completely understand the song.

She actually explains it in the doc. :lol:

[seanthompson]

Listen to it from the persepective that it is about Christine's return to the band. Also, one can hear where Lindsey is filling in for Stevie with the extended backup/background sustained note as she is want to do. It's dark and mystical like 'I'm So Afraid', 'The Chain', 'Gold Dust Woman', 'Oh, Daddy' (Alternate with Stevie backing), 'Tango In The Night', 'Behind The Mask', 'In The Back Of My Mind', 'Sooner Or Later', and 'Illume', to name a few other works sharing a common dark, magical thread in the Fleetwood Mac tapestry. 'Carnival Begin' is classic Mac with meaning, depth, and fine guitar work and solo.

[Macfan4life]

Listen to it from the persepective that it is about Christine's return to the band. Also, one can hear where Lindsey is filling in for Stevie with the extended backup/background sustained note as she is want to do. It's dark and mystical like 'I'm So Afraid', 'The Chain', 'Gold Dust Woman', 'Oh, Daddy' (Alternate with Stevie backing), 'Tango In The Night', 'Behind The Mask', 'In The Back Of My Mind', 'Sooner Or Later', and 'Illume', to name a few other works sharing a common dark, magical thread in the Fleetwood Mac tapestry. 'Carnival Begin' is classic Mac with meaning, depth, and fine guitar work and solo.
Exactly!
Your words are better than mine. I love the mystical side of the Mac. When Christine ventures into the realm of mysticism its pure magic like Oh Daddy, Bad Journey, etc.
Its textures, colors, feelings, and emotions for my ears.
You are correct....its classic Fleetwood Mac even to the early years.

[BlueLantern]

Funny, I love that song the most on the BuckMcVie album.

Christine personally conquered a phobia of flying, and that was part of the reason she wanted to (and was able to) return to Fleetwood Mac and to traveling the world, after a long time of staying in the UK. The lyrics are partly about this new feeling of liberation. And it makes sense to me, the similar sound re: I'm So Afraid, because this song is about having conquered fear.

[nicepace]

... It's dark and mystical like ... 'Behind The Mask' ....

I immediately heard a connection between "Carnival Begin" and "Behind the Mask." I'm not sure if it's lyrics or music or just a "feel," but those two great Mac songs share a common sensibility.

[dontlookdown]

I like the song.
The end structure and solo is from the I'm So Afraid playbook -- as is the title track from Tango In The Night.
I don't understand Game of Pretend -- the arrangement is so substandard and way below what Buckingham is capable of. Same goes for the "la la la's" at the end of Red Sun.

Say what you will about Stevie Nicks, but she knows a little about not overproducing tracks when there is no need to do so.

This album might have held together a little better if it had a little more muscle and a little less saccharine pop.

[Lola]

I love the album and Carnival Begin is one of my favorites. I like your point about more muscle tho. I wanted something that packs a punch like Think About Me.