When I See You Again...... Will It Be The Same?

[jbrownsjr]

I wanted to pay a little tribute to this tortured song. (because I've been listening to the re-master deluxe version that was just released...)

Next time you listen to WISYA, hear the "Fleetwood Mac" in it.
Listen to the guitar and keyboards, then combine the backing vocals by Buckingham/McVie. Notice how much contrast they have with this scorned and wounded woman. The sound off angels, as Stevie tries to figure out why she can't make it with the one who owns her heart. andddd (Who just happens to be singing 'beautifully' with a tall blonde british woman.)


Try to listen to it in this manner. Why? because Stevie Nicks nails what this song is about. You may not like her tone or timbre, but it accurately depicts the setting.

When you understand it that way, you can then appreciate the delicate voices, keyboards, and guitar that give way to a chamber of living angst.


............. well at least there is a dream left....

[dreamsunwind]

SERIOUSLY!!!!

The 'whassamattababy' thing is awful and some of those lyrics are really WTF (she stairs at the stares there are so many things to stare at these days?????)

BUT

I can't dislike this song. There's just something haunting about it. The arrangement and music on it are GORGEOUS. And when Lindsey comes in at the end is beautiful.

[BLY]

I wanted to pay a little tribute to this tortured song. (because I've been listening to the re-master deluxe version that was just released...)

Next time you listen to WISYA, hear the "Fleetwood Mac" in it.
Listen to the guitar and keyboards, then combine the backing vocals by Buckingham/McVie. Notice how much contrast they have with this scorned and wounded woman. The sound off angels, as Stevie tries to figure out why she can't make it with the one who owns her heart. andddd (Who just happens to be singing 'beautifully' with a tall blonde british woman.)


Try to listen to it in this manner. Why? because Stevie Nicks nails what this song is about. You may not like her tone or timbre, but it accurately depicts the setting.

When you understand it that way, you can then appreciate the delicate voices, keyboards, and guitar that give way to a chamber of living angst.


............. well at least there is a dream left....


....so with you on this. I love the three voices on this track. With all the stuff that was going on during this time its amazing what input came out of these recordings. It's like 1987 all over again listening to this set and I'm happy to be back In the 80's

[jbrownsjr]

SERIOUSLY!!!!

The 'whassamattababy' thing is awful and some of those lyrics are really WTF (she stairs at the stares there are so many things to stare at these days?????)

BUT

I can't dislike this song. There's just something haunting about it. The arrangement and music on it are GORGEOUS. And when Lindsey comes in at the end is beautiful.

It's genius... whether they knew it or not, it came out as a strong message.

[TheWildHeart67]

I liked every track on this album when it was new, and to this day.
I even loved "Family Man," which my friend called "The Popeye song" cause of the "Am what I am" part. LOL.

[dreamsunwind]

It's genius... whether they knew it or not, it came out as a strong message.

I think Stevie said she had to trick Lindsey to do it or something like that. That he was shy about his voice to sing like that so she told him they'd record it as a duet, then she took her part off so it would sound like a conversation.

[TheWildHeart67]

But how could Stevie trick him into it and take off vocals if he was producing?

[dreamsunwind]

But how could Stevie trick him into it and take off vocals if he was producing?

Yeah I don't know I wondered that too. Maybe she had an engineer do it and not tell him?

[TheWildHeart67]

True, but wouldn't Lindsey hear the final product before it got released?

[secondhandchain]

I wanted to pay a little tribute to this tortured song. (because I've been listening to the re-master deluxe version that was just released...)

Next time you listen to WISYA, hear the "Fleetwood Mac" in it.
Listen to the guitar and keyboards, then combine the backing vocals by Buckingham/McVie. Notice how much contrast they have with this scorned and wounded woman. The sound off angels, as Stevie tries to figure out why she can't make it with the one who owns her heart. andddd (Who just happens to be singing 'beautifully' with a tall blonde british woman.)


Try to listen to it in this manner. Why? because Stevie Nicks nails what this song is about. You may not like her tone or timbre, but it accurately depicts the setting.

When you understand it that way, you can then appreciate the delicate voices, keyboards, and guitar that give way to a chamber of living angst.


............. well at least there is a dream left....
..
Yes I will try....um NO it's terrible. The music is fine but her lyrics are voice are SCARILY BAD!

[button-lip]

I liked every track on this album when it was new, and to this day.
I even loved "Family Man," which my friend called "The Popeye song" cause of the "Am what I am" part. LOL.

I also love every song in TITN. Some more than others but the love is there for the whole album.
And yes, I also even love Family Man. Just because of the message, of what Lindsey wanted to become, and he succeeded.

[jbrownsjr]

..
Yes I will try....um NO it's terrible. The music is fine but her lyrics are voice are SCARILY BAD!

Hahahahahahah...

[shackin'up]

..
Yes I will try....um NO it's terrible. The music is fine but her lyrics are voice are SCARILY BAD!

Hauntingly scary. Aweful. To the max.

[Phil]

I maintain that Stevie, as addled and desperate as she was at the time, brought heart to the Tango album, which without her blood and guts, would have been overly synthesised and slick. The stripped back "When I See You Again", flaws and all, helps to balance proceedings - it is in its own way, an unwitting masterstroke, exposing Stevie as devastated and devoid of hope.
I remember her mentioning the trick she played on Lindsey regarding the coda but I have recently been wondering if indeed she had even recorded a vocal for this section? Given the situation, Lindsey may have undertaken the vocal out of necessity. I have heard a poor quality outtake that features Stevie during the fade but it appears to be fan-made with just the opening line of "when I see you again" looped (ie not a harmony vocal).

[Macfan4life]

I really tried but
I'm still staring at the stairs
(sigh)
There are many things to stare at these days

[deribish]

I did have a similar epiphany when listening to the TANGO remaster last week. The album is lovely and polished and the tunes are pure pop. Christine is givng us classic perfecly crafted songs and Linds is sprinking 80s-synth-tribalness all over it. But Stevie is the only one bringing viable emotion to the tracks. LInds has nothing close to emotion compared to songs live "Save me a place" "Book of Love" or "I'm so afriad" -- and while "LIttle Lies" and "Everywhere" are amazing, they dont have the sorrow and sweetness of "Over & Over" & "Songbird". Stevie might be singing her vocals in a burbling and scattered manner —*but you can at least feel the emotion. And a lot of it too. And that really helped make Tango the wonderful album that it is.


andI maintain that Stevie, as addled and desperate as she was at the time, brought heart to the Tango album, which without her blood and guts, would have been overly synthesised and slick. The stripped back "When I See You Again", flaws and all, helps to balance proceedings - it is in its own way, an unwitting masterstroke, exposing Stevie as devastated and devoid of hope.
I remember her mentioning the trick she played on Lindsey regarding the coda but I have recently been wondering if indeed she had even recorded a vocal for this section? Given the situation, Lindsey may have undertaken the vocal out of necessity. I have heard a poor quality outtake that features Stevie during the fade but it appears to be fan-made with just the opening line of "when I see you again" looped (ie not a harmony vocal).

[TrueFaith77]

I did have a similar epiphany when listening to the TANGO remaster last week. The album is lovely and polished and the tunes are pure pop. Christine is givng us classic perfecly crafted songs and Linds is sprinking 80s-synth-tribalness all over it. But Stevie is the only one bringing viable emotion to the tracks. LInds has nothing close to emotion compared to songs live "Save me a place" "Book of Love" or "I'm so afriad" -- and while "LIttle Lies" and "Everywhere" are amazing, they dont have the sorrow and sweetness of "Over & Over" & "Songbird". Stevie might be singing her vocals in a burbling and scattered manner —*but you can at least feel the emotion. And a lot of it too. And that really helped make Tango the wonderful album that it is.


and

Hence why the whole universe is bummed that she will not be participating in this new record...

[blinker12]

And yes, I also even love Family Man. Just because of the message, of what Lindsey wanted to become, and he succeeded.

I put Family Man in the same category as Sister Honey - so bad they're fun. :woohoo:

[jbrownsjr]

I'm never speaking to any of you again!!

And I hope Stevie doesn't either!!

[button-lip]

I put Family Man in the same category as Sister Honey - so bad they're fun. :woohoo:

I know the feeling. It's the same for me with "When I see you again". :woohoo:

[jmn3]

As always, this stuff is subjective, but IMO the lyrics are horrible and her singing is absolute garbage. As was already stated, the "Wassamatta BAYBAYYY" and "she stares at the stairs" lines just kill any potential for this song to be anything but a laugh (or cringe) for me.

[Street_Dreamer]

Lindsey's vocals save what could have been the worst Fleetwood Mac song ever.

[Angel75]

Lindsey's vocals save what could have been the worst Fleetwood Mac song ever.

Yes, Lindsey's vocals are dreaming on this. I definitely agree with you.

[Macfan4life]

Yes, Lindsey's vocals are dreaming on this. I definitely agree with you.
On another thread we spoke about Lindsey's vocals. Seven Wonders was recorded before Stevie went to Betty Ford. Is it possible the Lindsey part was Lindsey had her vocal track (from the demo sent to them) and since she was in rehab he did not have much to work with and he added his vocals to the track. I see that as completely plausible. I see him lifting her vocal and creating the song around it.

[jwd]

I wanted to pay a little tribute to this tortured song. (because I've been listening to the re-master deluxe version that was just released...)

Next time you listen to WISYA, hear the "Fleetwood Mac" in it.
Listen to the guitar and keyboards, then combine the backing vocals by Buckingham/McVie. Notice how much contrast they have with this scorned and wounded woman. The sound off angels, as Stevie tries to figure out why she can't make it with the one who owns her heart. andddd (Who just happens to be singing 'beautifully' with a tall blonde british woman.)


Try to listen to it in this manner. Why? because Stevie Nicks nails what this song is about. You may not like her tone or timbre, but it accurately depicts the setting.

When you understand it that way, you can then appreciate the delicate voices, keyboards, and guitar that give way to a chamber of living angst.


............. well at least there is a dream left....


Were you drunk when you typed this?! :lol: There really there is some redeeming value to this song. First and foremost, it's the voice and emotion of the scorned woman. Next, it's the magic of FM that makes it work. But really, the band had to see something in this recording?!!! I kinda get it....I've had a few beers, so maybe it's me?!!! :lol::lol:

[jbrownsjr]

Were you drunk when you typed this?! :lol: There really there is some redeeming value to this song. First and foremost, it's the voice and emotion of the scorned woman. Next, it's the magic of FM that makes it work. But really, the band had to see something in this recording?!!! I kinda get it....I've had a few beers, so maybe it's me?!!! :lol::lol:

Haha, no. I've always loved this song and it's placement on the album. I was listening to the re-master last night. If you just listen to it for what the song is about, I think you can understand the output of the material. :)

[jwd]

Haha, no. I've always loved this song and it's placement on the album. I was listening to the re-master last night. If you just listen to it for what the song is about, I think you can understand the output of the material. :)

And I always thought you were so circa '83 and before when it came to the GREAT STEVIE NICKS! Every once in awhile she dropped a little bomb on you afterwards?!

[dreamsunwind]

I wonder what the context was for this song. When she wrote it that is.

I wish it had been the album closer.

[jbrownsjr]

I wonder what the context was for this song. When she wrote it that is.

I wish it had been the album closer.

Let's not go crazy. :lol:

[mitzo]

In 87 when I bought the album on cassette I kept flipping and fast forwarding between WISYA and 7W. WISYA has always fascinated me. I hear beauty in it and something mysterious, the production is almost avante garde. I wish she/they had done more like it.

[gldstwmn]

I wanted to pay a little tribute to this tortured song. (because I've been listening to the re-master deluxe version that was just released...)

Next time you listen to WISYA, hear the "Fleetwood Mac" in it.
Listen to the guitar and keyboards, then combine the backing vocals by Buckingham/McVie. Notice how much contrast they have with this scorned and wounded woman. The sound of angels, as Stevie tries to figure out why she can't make it with the one who owns her heart. andddd (Who just happens to be singing 'beautifully' with a tall blonde british woman.)


Try to listen to it in this manner. Why? because Stevie Nicks nails what this song is about. You may not like her tone or timbre, but it accurately depicts the setting.

When you understand it that way, you can then appreciate the delicate voices, keyboards, and guitar that give way to a chamber of living angst.


............. well at least there is a dream left....
I was really hoping they would release the duet version. I'm a bit disappointed in the selection of some of the outtakes. There are certainly more left in the vaults and God only knows why they're holding on to them.

[24karatstevie]

When I See You Again is one of those songs that takes time to appreciate. Every time I hear it I like it a little more, and I understand the heartbreak and the fragility of Stevie at the time.

[jbrownsjr]

When I See You Again is one of those songs that takes time to appreciate. Every time I hear it I like it a little more, and I understand the heartbreak and the fragility of Stevie at the time.

She nails emotion every so often. This song gets better for me, too.

[dreamsunwind]

Let's not go crazy. :lol:

I wonder if it was pre or post rehab. Because then some of the lyrics about like wandering around, staring at stares would make a little more sense.

[secondhandchain]

Always writing about "she"...drives me Carazzy!s:lol:

[Macfan4life]

I just don't think its one of Stevie's better written songs. It could be better with more time on lyrics and verse. IMHO its clearly a rushed song that is probably close to if not exactly like the demo. It was mailed to the Mac while on the RAL tour. I don't think lots of time or effort went into the song and it shows. My bet Lindsey added his vocal to add something to the song since Stevie was not there. That does add a little more depth to the song but its still not a great song.
Some of you guys are really panning for gold in the shallow waters of Tango :eek:
I remember the Rolling Stone review of Tango that was mostly positive but sort of made fun of the endless "what's the matter baby....baby baby whats the matter baby baby's
Stevie at the time still had a vault of great songs that would have really improved Tango. Its a shame she never got to contribute them for this effort and we got stuck with the worst contributions of Stevie songs ever.

[Jondalar]

Weak song. Lindsey saves it.

[button-lip]

Weak song. Lindsey saves it.

Totally biased here, but yeah. Couldn't agree more. :)

[lennonfan]

Weak song. Lindsey saves it.

I don't think even Lindsey could save that one...sorry to the fans of this, but as I've said previously, Christine is the only thing that saves side 2 of Tango.
love side 1.

[dreamsunwind]

Does anyone know when it was written? I really think it has something to do with her rehab. That would have explained some of the mundane lyrics, maybe she was trying to capture that mundane feeling (staring at the stairs). Adds some context.

[bombaysaffires]

I always felt like it was about Kim.

If she sees him again (she=Stevie. him=Kim)
Will your very best friend (very best friend = Robin)
Will your very best friend
Have been replaced by some other?

(Kim went away after he and Stevie split. When Stevie ever sees him again, will he have found somebody new, and then Robin will be really gone, replaced by some new woman?) :shrug:

And the dream says 'I want you'
And the dream is gone

(this bit kind of reminds me of how she says she felt Robin in the house, the baby's cradle would always be rocking but then one day she went into the baby's room and the cradle was no longer rocking and she knew Robin had finally gone and it was wrong for her to have married Kim. The dream is gone=the cradle is no longer rocking=the marriage is wrong) :shrug:

Of course it could all be some book she was reading. Or soap she was watching. Or the drugs talking. :shrug:

Whoever said Lindsey saves it, I agree.

[dreamsunwind]

I always felt like it was about Kim.

If she sees him again (she=Stevie. him=Kim)
Will your very best friend (very best friend = Robin)
Will your very best friend
Have been replaced by some other?

(Kim went away after he and Stevie split. When Stevie ever sees him again, will he have found somebody new, and then Robin will be really gone, replaced by some new woman?) :shrug:

And the dream says 'I want you'
And the dream is gone

(this bit kind of reminds me of how she says she felt Robin in the house, the baby's cradle would always be rocking but then one day she went into the baby's room and the cradle was no longer rocking and she knew Robin had finally gone and it was wrong for her to have married Kim. The dream is gone=the cradle is no longer rocking=the marriage is wrong) :shrug:

Of course it could all be some book she was reading. Or soap she was watching. Or the drugs talking. :shrug:

Whoever said Lindsey saves it, I agree.

Hmmmm maybe. I really feel like it has a lot to do with rehab. I don't know why but I think the 'you' isn't necessarily just one person, whoever that be (I don't think it's Lindsey though, because it wouldn't make much sense, it would have to have been someone who was 'leaving' her/her life in some way). I think it might be like maybe her former self?