Tango Deluxe Release Ledgie Reviews and Comments

[jbrownsjr]

We have so many posts in the other thread that I wanted to reset and get your comments, reviews, etc. in this thread. Looking forward to hearing some new/old FMac. circa. 1987.

[sara79]

Just listening now (at work).
Ooh My Love is one of my favourites from OSOTM. This Tango version isn't anything like it. Shares a few lyrics but not much else. On first listen I don't think I like it.
Full version of You & I is Parts 1 and 2 combined - not noticing anything new or changed from what we've already heard (maybe a longer instrumental intro?)
Alt version of Mystified is nice - maybe more LB solo vocals?
Special Kind of Love - I like it, LB lead vocal, CMV harmony. Don't think any Stevie. Doesn't sound like demo we may have previously heard.
Haven't listened to everything yet - but a little underwhelmed at this stage.

[Andyleo]

The Juliet run through is the same as the bootleg we've had for ages but it's nice to hear it not cut off.
I love the Mystified instrumental, and I absolutely loathed the album version.
The album itself sounds nice and crisp and fresh, I'm sure the instruments all stand out a little more, like there's more space between them. It reminds me of when I first played the LP back in 1987.
Still listening to the remixes but nothing new to report there.
Also Isn't it Midnight (alt. version) isn't the version from The Chain box set. I noticed a lot of extra harmonizing on this new alt version.
The remastered Caroline is sublime, those drums and that bass are unnaturally awesome. I can't believe how much smoother all these remasters sound, streets ahead of the "Very Best of" remastered versions that were done back years ago.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm so in love with

Special Kind of Love

Sounds a bit unfinished, but very BuckVie..

[StevieandChris]

Ooh My Love demo...I like the music but definitely prefer the finished song on TOSOTM!

[jbrownsjr]

Everything sounds so crisp. Wow.

Forgot how much I love Down Endless Street.

[Wdm6789]

I love the long intro on You and I full version.

[Nathan]

Big ol grin on my face from the Juliet run through. :thumbsup:

I only bought a few but they all sound amazing so far. Looking forward to the Seven Wonders dub mix at the gym.

[McDoobler]

Unfortunately, the whole tango deluxe isnt on spotify. They finally added all of the Mirage deluxe edition and all the Kirwan/Welch era albums!!:blob1::blob1:

[jbrownsjr]

Unfortunately, the whole tango deluxe isnt on spotify. They finally added all of the Mirage deluxe edition and all the Kirwan/Welch era albums!!:blob1::blob1:

Yes, itunes has the same set up. They want you to buy it and pay for the streaming service. :eek:

[Wdm6789]

Unfortunately, the whole tango deluxe isnt on spotify. They finally added all of the Mirage deluxe edition and all the Kirwan/Welch era albums!!:blob1::blob1:


So is Why on Spotify? I want Why on my iTunes. Has anyone put up the Family Man music video on YouTube yet?

[Nick]

Unfortunately, the whole tango deluxe isnt on spotify. They finally added all of the Mirage deluxe edition and all the Kirwan/Welch era albums!!:blob1::blob1:

Thanks for the heads up!

[24karatstevie]

Unfortunately, the whole tango deluxe isnt on spotify. They finally added all of the Mirage deluxe edition and all the Kirwan/Welch era albums!!:blob1::blob1:
Yes! I love the Welch years!

[jbrownsjr]

Yes! I love the Welch years!

I know!!! :blob1::blob1:

[tango87]

Really delighted by this box set; it was very exciting unwrapping it - I felt 15 again!

I've been deliberately avoiding Tango since pre-ordering this months ago, so it's great to listen with fresh(ish) ears. Really going mad (in a good way) all over again for the title track and 'Mystified' - both so full of atmosphere. It's funny how an album that was recorded under pretty trying circumstances can seem to have such cohesion.

Wonderful to hear 'Ricky' in sparkling quality - I do love that song. And I adore the full 'You and I' -that beautiful linking passage that was only there in the fade-out on the B-side is just stunning.

I don't think I'll be rushing back to listen to the remixes very often - they really do date it. And I hated that craze for club mixes the first time round.

The DVD is great - it reminds me that when they first put out the Tango VHS tape, I got very excited thinking it would be the promo videos. Not happy to find it was a tour video without Lindsey... So it's great to have that excitement finally justified - only 30 years later! But the 'Family Man' promo is still a major rip-off. They should have used the lovely animation of the album cover from the UK TV commercial instead, especially as they took a still from it for the 'Family Man' single cover. Remember that little box set that came with prints?

Very strange choice to use the version of the 'Everywhere' video without any of those black and white shots of the band. I always used the think the highwayman was Lindsey in disguise!

Anyway, I'm happy.

[bwboy]

Interesting that Stevie is quoted the most, while apparently Christine had nothing to say at all about the album, even though Tango is generally regarded as being a hit thanks to her contributions, more than anyone else's. I was surprised by Stevie's comments- she said Lindsey's songs on Tango are her favorite by him (even Family Man, a song I can't stand), and she's generous in her praise of Christine, as well.

The pictures are great, but as always, I wish there were more. They all look so good and classy.

[BombaySapphire3]

I was surprised by Stevie's comments- she said Lindsey's songs on Tango are her favorite by him (even Family Man, a song I can't stand), and she's generous in her praise of Christine, as well.



I am not surprised that she praised their work since they unlike her put some work into it.If she had as well maybe it could be tied for the 3rd best album from the Rumours five instead of 5th.

[Street_Dreamer]

Special Kind Of Love gave me goosebumps. I'm listening to it again right now and getting goosebumps again.

[bwboy]

I am not surprised that she praised their work since they unlike her put some work into it.If she had as well maybe it could be tied for the 3rd best album from the Rumours five instead of 5th.

She did record 3 songs, plus at least 3 more. And nothing Stevie could have done would have made Family Man a good song. Lindsey deserves all the credit for the song that couldn't even make the top 60, even though 4 previous singles from Tango made it to the top 20.

Just to be clear, I didn't mean I was surprised Stevie was complimentary to her band mates, but rather HOW complimentary she was. I never knew she liked the album so much, and it was nice of her to mention specific songs by Lindsey and Chris that she liked.

I am shocked by how much I'm enjoying the outtakes and demos disc... the instrumental of Mystified is stunning, the harmonies on Isn't It Midnight make it seem like a whole new song, Seven Wonders, Tango in the Night, ooh My Love, I mean there's really not a loser in the bunch. If they had replaced Family Man and When I See You Again with Down Endless Street and Ooh My Love, Tango would have been so much better. Just my opinion, obviously, since those songs do have their fans. I'm curious what others would have liked to have seen switched.

[Netter75]

My thoughts on TITN Deluxe

1. The remaster
The remastered album sounds great, even if it's not the ridiculous upgrade that Mirage and Tusk were. "Caroline", the title track, "Everywhere", and "Isn't It Midnight" are all standouts in this respect. Also I don't know if its the remaster or just my dumb brain, but "Welcome to the Room... Sara" feels like a whole new song to me and I appreciate it much more than I ever did before. I think I even like it! It was really fun revisiting Tango with closer ears, I realized I really love the instrumentals of every song (even the ones like Family Man and WISYA where I hate the vocals). It's so atmospheric, and the remaster really helps emphasize that aspect.

2. The demo disc
I was so dissapointed when I first saw the track listing for this a few months ago, but it turns out that all of this material is very interesting. While I don't care for the two b-sides very much, hearing them remastered has helped my appreciate them more (or in the case of "Ricky", just the instrumental).

The full version of "You and I" is great, as both parts always felt incomplete to me (duh). I was worried about how the bridge between the two would be done, since the two parts are so different, but it works really well! My new preferred way of listening to these two songs.

The alternate "Mystified" has a strange instrumental that I don't know if I like or hate, but the combination of vocals between Lindsey and Christine is fantastic. The instrumental track included is also pretty beautiful.

"Where We Belong" is a cool song and would've added a different vibe to the album if the verses had been worked out. Lindsey and Christine harmonize so well on this song.

"Ooh My Love" is awesome and blows TOSOTM version out of the water for me. It's got a bit more kick here and has a more traditional song structure and identifiable chorus. A little more polish and maybe another vocal take and it would be worthy of being on the album!

I like "Juliet" but can see why it wasn't used. It wouldn't have meshed with the polished album. The vocals are erratic and the backing track sounds closer to Tusk than TITN. It's great on TOSOTM though!

"Isn't It Midnight" is probably my favorite song from this album and this alternate version is great! The vocals are slowed down and Lindsey's fantastic backing vocals and the guitar have been ripped out for harmonies and synthesizers, but it's still a very interesting take. It may even mesh with the actual album better than the final track. The mix on "The Chain" boxset sounds like it's a combination of this version and the album version, and feels like a slog as a result. Overall I'm happy to have both this mix and the final mix on my shuffle!

I feel similarly about the "Seven Wonders" early version, an interesting take that changes the song's mood substantially but ends up being equal. I might even like it better. The added vocals at the end help with that, as well as the more distinct harmonies from Lindsey and Chrsitine.

I want to like "Special Kind of Love" but... I really can't. It's not awful or anything, it's just not grabbing me :(. Doesn't seem to have much edge to it (as if much of this album has an edge haha).

I wish "At the Fair" and "What Has Rock and Roll Ever Done For You?" (cheesy but still) had been included but I have a feeling these songs were worked on in the Mirror, Mirror/ Rock a Little Sessions and simply considered by Mac, so that's probably why they're not here. I also added "Eyes Wide Shut" and "Joan of Arc" to the track-listing myself to make it feel a little more complete ;)

3. The remixes
Can't say I care about these too much. Extended "Little Lies" and "Seven Wonders" are perfectly listenable, as is the jammy "Big Love" remix/edit with the crashing keyboards. But four versions of "Family Man"... I barely need the original haha.

It's cool that these were included but I would've preferred a live disc from the '87 set. I know its not a popular show around here, but "Isn't It Midnight" (the live arrangement is one of my favorite Mac songs ever), "Stand Back", and "Seven Wonders" are fantastic from this tour and it would've been nice to see those tracks remastered as my DVD-rip sounds really flat. If they could find the whole set from the San Fransisco show, a good recording of "Brown Eyes" or something would've been cool to see.

Overall? I LOVE IT.

[secondhandchain]

Mystified is such a GORGEOUS song and I do not get the hate. The different takes on here are wonderful! One of the most melodic FM songs ever.

[secondhandchain]

Is it me or is You and I part 1 sped up in the full version? Man how I love this song and we get to see what his vision was for the bridge between these two. AWESOME! Lindsey at his pinnacle creatively. Some of the B sides on this album are my favorite work of this band. They should have taken these b sides and made a Buckingham Mc vie album back then, which would have been killer. Where We belong is SO good and won't get out of my head.They should have finished it with back and forth vocals between the two. I had never heard Special Kind of Love and it's really fun. I guess there was another version floating around for a while so I juust listened to it and it's a little quirkier then the one they included. Love them both. Poor Stevie was at her worst on this record and it shows. Buckingham Mc Vie however were just on FIRE! I am really hoping the new album has alot of this same creativity but updated a bit. PLEASE!

[secondhandchain]

Just listening now (at work).
Ooh My Love is one of my favourites from OSOTM. This Tango version isn't anything like it. Shares a few lyrics but not much else. On first listen I don't think I like it.
Full version of You & I is Parts 1 and 2 combined - not noticing anything new or changed from what we've already heard (maybe a longer instrumental intro?)
Alt version of Mystified is nice - maybe more LB solo vocals?
Special Kind of Love - I like it, LB lead vocal, CMV harmony. Don't think any Stevie. Doesn't sound like demo we may have previously heard.
Haven't listened to everything yet - but a little underwhelmed at this stage.

Actually the bridge linking the two is totally different.

[SuiteShangriLa]

https://youtu.be/FEvzy0OMQ6s
MTV Fleetwood Mac Attack 1987

[Wdm6789]

Stevie sounded really rough during Tango, I didn't realize how rough she sounded until hearing her Tango outtakes. Juliet does not appeal to me at all, it just sounds bad. Ooh My Love is alright, I really like the music part of it, but Stevie's singing does not work well with the music in this song. It would have been much better than When I See You Again though.

Lindsey's outtakes were really good. Special Kind of Love is really good and Down Endless Street is good too.

The alternate version of Isn't It Midnight is really good too. It is a very different take from the final version.

Ricky is fun. Book of Miracles is really good too, some singing would be really nice in that song.

All the extended and dub versions are really fun. I love Stevie's vocals at the end of the extended version of Little Lies.

[ami0425]

I am just listening to the 12" Mixes disc now. I listened to the demo disc last night.

I love the Big Love mixes. I love Stevie's "It's a big big love" part. However, after reading the liner notes, I didn't realize that the female grunting echoing Lindsey on this song was not Lindsey. It kind of ruined the song for me just a tad now!

I had high hopes for the Ooh My Love demo, however it is obvious why she kept it for OSOTM. Juliet is very nice however.

Down Endless Street and Book of Miracles are incredible.

[bwboy]

I had no idea Lindsey wrote Ooh My Love until I read the credits. Even though the song is different from the one on Stevie's solo album, they do share some lyrics. Yet Lindsey is not credited at all on her album. Interesting.

[aleuzzi]

As rough as Stevie's singing is on "Juliet" and "Ooh My Love" the passion and warmth in her voice are still evident. I can see why neither song was chosen for TITN (they don't fit with the other material--or they fit even less than the ones that were chosen). But at least on these demos I can hear the old Stevie. On "When I See You Again" and "Welcome..." she sounds disengaged, distant, even tranquilized. I never understood why the band didn't try to record "Planets of the Universe" and "Smile at You" during these sessions. They'd tried both songs before and presumably that familiarity could have been used to their advantage.

On another note, I wish the version of "You and I Part 2" with Christine on lead vocals was included. Her performance of the song is so much more convincing than Lindsey's. I also wish the demo of "Everywhere" was included.

My overall reaction is that a number of these songs sound like FM under all the synths and drum machines. I wish more of them got a chance to stand naked.

[bombaysaffires]

I really don't get the love for Stevie's voice on Juliet or Ooh My Love. :eek:

She sounds a mess. Better on Juliet I supposed than Ooh My Love but she's very monotonic on both.....not her best. Interesting? Sure. Good? Not really. :shrug:

Special Kind of Love with more fleshed out lyrics could have replaced Family Man even though I love the acoustic guitar on FM. Ricky is just too spare... there are no real lyrics. Where We Belong had a lot of potential.
:eek:Mystified remains a total snooze......

Who needs 4 extended versions of Family Man??

Glad LB got rid of the overly tweaked squeaky vocals on Tango demo in favor of more of his "real" voice.

[HomerMcvie]

Mystified is such a GORGEOUS song and I do not get the hate. The different takes on here are wonderful! One of the most melodic FM songs ever.

Used to, I couldn't stand Mystified or Only Over You. But they've grown on me over the years, and I love both, now.

[SisterNightroad]

As rough as Stevie's singing is on "Juliet" and "Ooh My Love" the passion and warmth in her voice are still evident. I can see why neither song was chosen for TITN (they don't fit with the other material--or they fit even less than the ones that were chosen). But at least on these demos I can hear the old Stevie. On "When I See You Again" and "Welcome..." she sounds disengaged, distant, even tranquilized. I never understood why the band didn't try to record "Planets of the Universe" and "Smile at You" during these sessions. They'd tried both songs before and presumably that familiarity could have been used to their advantage.
But wouldn't Planets of the Universe or Smile at You have been even more out of place on Tango in the Night? I really can't imagine them with all that 80s pop sinth. Maybe If You Were My Love but even that is a bit of a stretch.

[FuzzyPlum]

Glad LB got rid of the overly tweaked squeaky vocals on Tango demo in favor of more of his "real" voice.


I think I'd have preferred the Tango In The Night version Richard Dashut unearthed a while back. That was a much earlier and more interesting version as it was so different to the final cut. This version is pretty much the same music but with crappier lyrics and silly voices...a bit annoying.

I love Mystified but the alternate does nothing for me. It sounds kind of eerie and slowly chugs along (but in a weird way).

Ooh My Love- perhaps should have replaced When I See You Again (but not with this vocal).

[RavenOfRhiannon]

I had no idea Lindsey wrote Ooh My Love until I read the credits. Even though the song is different from the one on Stevie's solo album, they do share some lyrics. Yet Lindsey is not credited at all on her album. Interesting.

I doubt very seriously he did. I think that is an error on my he liner notes.

[macpai]

Hi all! Enjoying my first listen of the box set. Does anyone have details on the Tango in the Night demo. I was taken aback by that one.

Love Where We Belong, but really I liked all the demos and alternates except for Ricky, and I'm sure he'll grow on me.

[secondhandchain]

Hi all! Enjoying my first listen of the box set. Does anyone have details on the Tango in the Night demo. I was taken aback by that one.

Love Where We Belong, but really I liked all the demos and alternates except for Ricky, and I'm sure he'll grow on me.

Is this our first time hearing Ricky? I love it! Listen on headphones. So good.

[BombaySapphire3]

As rough as Stevie's singing is on "Juliet" and "Ooh My Love" the passion and warmth in her voice are still evident. I can see why neither song was chosen for TITN (they don't fit with the other material--or they fit even less than the ones that were chosen). But at least on these demos I can hear the old Stevie. On "When I See You Again" and "Welcome..." she sounds disengaged, distant, even tranquilized. I never understood why the band didn't try to record "Planets of the Universe" and "Smile at You" during these sessions. They'd tried both songs before and presumably that familiarity could have been used to their advantage.
. An easy explanation :
"Juliet and "Ooh My Love " as well as "Seven Wonders " were recorded pre' Klonopin ..the other two after.

[secondhandchain]

An easy explanation :
"Juliet and "Ooh My Love " as well as "Seven Wonders " were recorded pre' Klonopin ..the other two after.

Her warbling was OUT OF CONTROL on every song in that era. I hate her singing on Rock a little and Tango. She kind of became of caricature of herself at this point. Thank God when the Dance came around she went back.

[Jondalar]

An easy explanation :
"Juliet and "Ooh My Love " as well as "Seven Wonders " were recorded pre' Klonopin ..the other two after.

Her vocals on the The Other Side Of The Mirror were horrible to say the least!

[HomerMcvie]

Her vocals on the The Other Side Of The Mirror were horrible to say the least!

OSOTM is the one that turned me from a huge fan,...into what I am now!:lol::lol::lol:

[aleuzzi]

But wouldn't Planets of the Universe or Smile at You have been even more out of place on Tango in the Night? I really can't imagine them with all that 80s pop sinth. Maybe If You Were My Love but even that is a bit of a stretch.

LB's production of Smile at You on SYW and the Chris Lord Algae(sp?)'s production of Planets on TISL seem very Tango-friendly. I think with a touch of imagination, these could have fit in nicely. Alas, my fantasy is only that and we're left with what we've got: two outright clunkers.

[aleuzzi]

An easy explanation :
"Juliet and "Ooh My Love " as well as "Seven Wonders " were recorded pre' Klonopin ..the other two after.

Oh, okay. Did she start taking Klonopin during the sessions or right before them? I mean, Juliet and Ooh My Love wouldn't be on Tango unless the takes there were recorded during the Tango sessions. Or maybe not?

[SisterNightroad]

LB's production of Smile at You on SYW and the Chris Lord Algae(sp?)'s production of Planets on TISL seem very Tango-friendly. I think with a touch of imagination, these could have fit in nicely. Alas, my fantasy is only that and we're left with what we've got: two outright clunkers.
Yes, it's Chris Lord-Alge. I don't know, Planets of the Universe from the Rumours sessions and Smile at You from the Mirage sessions are among my absolute favourites and I can't see them in every other way. Also since I've read that When I See You Again was chosen for Tango in the place of What has rock and roll ever done for you I just always thought that that and Joan of Arc would have been much better choices.

[lbfan]

The standouts for me are the instrumental demo of Mystified and the Full versions of You and I. With the original Album clocking in at 44 minutes, I wonder if they had to choose between Part 1 or Part 2 due to time constraint of the vinyl (in lieu of the full version) - a la Silver Springs.

[button-lip]

I adore the instrumental version of Mystified and the full version of You and I.

I think Juliet should have been wonderful as part of Stevie's solo albums. Maybe it's in one of them and I didn't know it. I don't follow Stevie's solo career that much.

I'd probably have included Ooh my love, but then I don't know what song I'd have cut.

I love Ricky, but I loved it since I found the vinyl. :lol:

Where we belong and Book of Miracles have that Mirage vibe, if you know what I mean. They sound more 1982 than 1987.

The extended remix of Big Love. Fantastic. Those "big, big love" at the end from Stevie make the song even better.

Four versions of Family Man is way too much, but if I have to choose one, maybe the Extended Guitar Version is my favorite, just because of all those Stevie's "sister, sister" at the end.

[The Juggler]

Rupert Hine really worked some magic on Ooh My Love. The Tango version is a complete mess!

[Macfan4life]

I wont allow any TOSOTM bashing on this board ;). Its a purely magical album that has incredible writing on most of the songs. Her vocals were so strong and she re-discovered her voice again. Its classic Stevie and probably her last solo album before her voice started to change for the worse.

[Jondalar]

I wont allow any TOSOTM bashing on this board ;). Its a purely magical album that has incredible writing on most of the songs. Her vocals were so strong and she re-discovered her voice again. Its classic Stevie and probably her last solo album before her voice started to change for the worse.

It's a horrible album full of terrible vocals. She ruined Cry Wolf with her awful vocals. After I listened to that album, I threw it in the trash. I also noticed that tons of people were returning it and it dominated the resale bins. It may be the album that hurt her most. People bought it and then realized it was awful. The only reason it is platinum is because of The Dance. It's terrible album with lazy lyrics and vocals. The production is also all wrong.

[The Chain]

does You & Part I sound a tiny bit faster, and like half a step up in key to anyone, or have I just been listening to a horrible quality 45 rip all these years? :laugh:

[Fleetwood Jack]

does You & Part I sound a tiny bit faster, and like half a step up in key to anyone, or have I just been listening to a horrible quality 45 rip all these years? :laugh:



I thought the exact same thing. I think that a different take may have been used. Because the intro is like twenty seconds longer, and certain vocal parts sound different.

[HomerMcvie]

It's a horrible album full of terrible vocals. She ruined Cry Wolf with her awful vocals. After I listened to that album, I threw it in the trash. I also noticed that tons of people were returning it and it dominated the resale bins. It may be the album that hurt her most. People bought it and then realized it was awful. The only reason it is platinum is because of The Dance. It's terrible album with lazy lyrics and vocals. The production is also all wrong.

People think I'm a complete Stevie hater, which isn't true.

Bella Donna is a god damned MASTERPIECE. I love that album, and if I could only pick 20 albums to listen to for the rest of my life, BD would make the cut!

Wild Heart was damned good, but not quite as good as BD.

Rock a Little...ugh, Mama was starting to slip. It was still passable, but barely.

OSOTM - sheer and utter GARBAGE. I tried to make myself like it, for MONTHS, and just couldn't. It's horrible! Mama had lost her gift, and my fandom was over. Other than a Dance blip, these is no Stevie to me after 83-84. She is dead to me.

[Macfan4life]

It's a horrible album full of terrible vocals. She ruined Cry Wolf with her awful vocals. After I listened to that album, I threw it in the trash. I also noticed that tons of people were returning it and it dominated the resale bins. It may be the album that hurt her most. People bought it and then realized it was awful. The only reason it is platinum is because of The Dance. It's terrible album with lazy lyrics and vocals. The production is also all wrong.
If I remember correctly your favorite song is Talk To Me and you love Rock A Little. That's cool but I am 100% opposite. TOSOTM had real instruments and guitars, real drums, etc. In addition she wrote most of the songs compared to RAL. Her voice was a disaster on RAL and if I were Jimmy I would have walked away too. Her voice is supreme on TOSOTM. Its back to Bella Donna roots. No cheezy pop songs but deep writing. Its definitely one of my favorites. Blue Eyes and Cry Wolf were disasters though. Cry Wolf was given to almost every singer during the 80's. Even Laura Brannigan recorded it :eek: RAL is the ONLY Stevie album I never upgraded to CD. I threw the album away many years ago and its her only work missing from the collection. Not only is it the worst Stevie album ever but I would also say its one of the worst albums of the entire 80's decade. And this is coming from someone that worshipped at the Stevie altar during the entire 80's. Stevie fans are in two worlds. Those that like Talk to Me, Seven Wonders, Everyday, etc and those that like the deep meaning songs. We don't understand each other and see past each other. Long Way To go, Ghosts, Ooh My Love, Escape from Berlin, Rooms on Fire, and Two Kinds of Love are some of Stevie's best songs and work IMHO.

[aleuzzi]

You are quite the interesting fan. If I remember correctly your favorite song is Talk To Me and you love Rock A Little. That's cool but I am 100% opposite. TOSOTM had real instruments and guitars, real drums, etc. In addition she wrote most of the songs compared to RAL. Her voice was a disaster on RAL and if I were Jimmy I would have walked away too. Her voice is supreme on TOSOTM. Its back to Bella Donna roots. No cheezy pop songs but deep writing. Its definitely one of my favorites. Blue Eyes and Cry Wolf were disasters though. Cry Wolf was given to almost every singer during the 80's. Even Laura Brannigan recorded it :eek: RAL is the ONLY Stevie album I never upgraded to CD. I threw the album away many years ago and its her only work missing from the collection. Not only is it the worst Stevie album ever but I would also say its one of the worst albums of the entire 80's decade. And this is coming from someone that worshipped at the Stevie altar during the entire 80's. Stevie fans are in two worlds. Those that like Talk to Me, Seven Wonders, Welcome to the Room Sara, Everyday, etc and those that like the deep meaning songs. We don't understand each other and see past each other. Long Way To go, Ghosts, Ooh My Love, Escape from Berlin, Rooms on Fire, and Two Kinds of Love are some of Stevie's best songs and work IMHO.

And yet ROCK A LITTLE has one thoroughly enjoyable song for me: "Imperial Hotel." Most people dislike it or forget about it but it was the one song on RAL that excited me when I first heard the record. The rest of it saddened me. It was so thickly produced and so pumped up with expectation but terrible singing is terrible singing. Her signature song, HAEWAFY, sounded fantastic when Stevie sang it on Storytellers in 1998. But on RAL it sounds pretty awful. Not so with "Imperial Hotel." There her vocal energy is off the charts and for a little over two minutes I remembered why I got turned onto Stevie's music in the first place. I still feel this way.

[bwboy]

Stevie fans are in two worlds. Those that like Talk to Me, Seven Wonders, Everyday, etc and those that like the deep meaning songs. We don't understand each other and see past each other. Long Way To go, Ghosts, Ooh My Love, Escape from Berlin, Rooms on Fire, and Two Kinds of Love are some of Stevie's best songs and work IMHO.

Not true- I love Talk to Me but not Everyday. In fact, I love Talk to Me about as much as I love Rooms on Fire. I do like Doing the Best I Can but think it's way over produced (the pounding on the piano or keyboards during "I was silent, I was locked away..." for example), but Stevie is so raw and open, it transcends the production. Anyway, just pointing out that fans can like her "deep meaning songs" as much as her top 10, Grammy nominated songs!

[Macfan4life]

Not true- I love Talk to Me but not Everyday. In fact, I love Talk to Me about as much as I love Rooms on Fire. I do like Doing the Best I Can but think it's way over produced (the pounding on the piano or keyboards during "I was silent, I was locked away..." for example), but Stevie is so raw and open, it transcends the production. Anyway, just pointing out that fans can like her "deep meaning songs" as much as her top 10, Grammy nominated songs!
Now how would I have guessed you love Talk To Me ;)

[bwboy]

Now how would I have guessed you love Talk To Me ;)

Well, I've shown you all my cards, now isn't that enough?!? Lol!

Gotta know, since you mentioned Ooh My Love, what do you think of the Tango version? The music blows me away every time I hear it! So different from her Mirror version, but fascinating nonetheless.

[KenB]

For me, TOSOTM has a run of songs in the middle of it that redeem the album -- "Ooh My Love," "Ghosts," "Whole Lotta Trouble" and "Fire burning." I'm not saying they're great works of art, but I enjoy them as pop songs. RAL, on the other hand, has almost nothing to redeem it. And I'd also place TOSOTM above Street Angel and about on the same level as Trouble In Shangri-La. I can understand why it's disliked by a lot of people, but I have a bit of a soft spot for it.

[bwboy]

Oh, my- I thought everyone agreed OSOTM was better than Street Angel! I thought side 1 of Mirror was Stevie's strongest in a long time- Rooms on Fire, Long Way to Go, Two Kinds of Love, Ooh My Love, and Ghosts are all pretty spectacular. The album loses me until Doing the Best I Can and Blue Eyes, though.

[Jondalar]

If I remember correctly your favorite song is Talk To Me and you love Rock A Little. That's cool but I am 100% opposite. TOSOTM had real instruments and guitars, real drums, etc. In addition she wrote most of the songs compared to RAL. Her voice was a disaster on RAL and if I were Jimmy I would have walked away too. Her voice is supreme on TOSOTM. Its back to Bella Donna roots. No cheezy pop songs but deep writing. Its definitely one of my favorites. Blue Eyes and Cry Wolf were disasters though. Cry Wolf was given to almost every singer during the 80's. Even Laura Brannigan recorded it :eek: RAL is the ONLY Stevie album I never upgraded to CD. I threw the album away many years ago and its her only work missing from the collection. Not only is it the worst Stevie album ever but I would also say its one of the worst albums of the entire 80's decade. And this is coming from someone that worshipped at the Stevie altar during the entire 80's. Stevie fans are in two worlds. Those that like Talk to Me, Seven Wonders, Everyday, etc and those that like the deep meaning songs. We don't understand each other and see past each other. Long Way To go, Ghosts, Ooh My Love, Escape from Berlin, Rooms on Fire, and Two Kinds of Love are some of Stevie's best songs and work IMHO.

?????? Huh??? Talk to me is a really good song but I don't like the album Rock A Little. It's a lot better than TOSOTM though.

[mitzo]

TOSOTM to me is meh. Trying too hard to be mysterious, with more lyrical messes than ever, like in Two Kinds of Love and Ghosts. The real issue I have is that it lacks a deep ballad. My experience with her solo work has been to search for that delicious ballad with its great vocal, then work backwards to try to appreciate some of the other tracks. As for TITN, it brought me back to FM and Stevie after some years of wandering away, triggered by Bella Donna, which I still think was badly conceived and grotesquely produced. In 1987 Seven Wonders was all over the radio and it brought me back.

[BombaySapphire3]

Oh, my- I thought everyone agreed OSOTM was better than Street Angel! I thought side 1 of Mirror was Stevie's strongest in a long time- Rooms on Fire, Long Way to Go, Two Kinds of Love, Ooh My Love, and Ghosts are all pretty spectacular. The album loses me until Doing the Best I Can and Blue Eyes, though.

It is. 2/3 of OSOTM is very good to great and Stevie still calls it her magic album and for the most part I would agree. Street Angel while having a few good songs is her weakest IMHO.

[bombaysaffires]

TOSOTM to me is meh. Trying too hard to be mysterious, with more lyrical messes than ever, like in Two Kinds of Love and Ghosts. The real issue I have is that it lacks a deep ballad. My experience with her solo work has been to search for that delicious ballad with its great vocal, then work backwards to try to appreciate some of the other tracks. As for TITN, it brought me back to FM and Stevie after some years of wandering away, triggered by Bella Donna, which I still think was badly conceived and grotesquely produced. In 1987 Seven Wonders was all over the radio and it brought me back.

Ghosts could have been such a good song.... musically I like it a lot, and I really like the premise of it: Stevie looking at her life and being at a crossroads.... "the past that you live in" and "the future you are frightened of" and being haunted by the ghosts of both.

She'd had a lot of relationships but never found 'the one'-- "one day they were lovers, one day they were friends, and there was nothing else to say" and now she was getting older "so the silver-haired girl looks for escapism"...

To me the best part is the bridge, when she sings:

To fill the empty spaces
She's feeling
She depends on her music
Like a husband
And she knows it's no good
To fall in love again

That is as powerful as Doing The Best That I Can.

The problem though is the first half of the song is a mess and needed a stronger producer to bring some discipline to it. :shrug:

[secondhandchain]

does You & Part I sound a tiny bit faster, and like half a step up in key to anyone, or have I just been listening to a horrible quality 45 rip all these years? :laugh:

Yes I think it is and I posted the same thing earlier. Someone posted an article where Richard Dashut was saying LIndsey was speeding up and slowing down a lot of the songs. This must be a slightly different version sped up. I prefer it a little slower but love the two together. Should have both made the album with Where we belong and Ricky. If any album screamed for a double album, this one was it. So many good songs left off, minus Stevies. Sorry but she was a mess on during this record and it shows. This should have absolutely been a Buckingham Mc vie record since Stevie (once again) barely participated.

[Jondalar]

Oh, my- I thought everyone agreed OSOTM was better than Street Angel! I thought side 1 of Mirror was Stevie's strongest in a long time- Rooms on Fire, Long Way to Go, Two Kinds of Love, Ooh My Love, and Ghosts are all pretty spectacular. The album loses me until Doing the Best I Can and Blue Eyes, though.

OSOTM is better than Street Angel but they are both God-AWFUl!!!!!!! They killed her credibility as an artist. The only thing that saved Stevie's career is The Dance. Without it, her solo career would of died in 1994.

[button-lip]

OSOTM is better than Street Angel but they are both God-AWFUl!!!!!!! They killed her credibility as an artist. The only thing that saved Stevie's career is The Dance. Without it, her solo career would of died in 1994.

Indeed The Dance saved her career. She seems so nervous and insecure on that filmed concert! Like a kid on her first day at school. She's constantly looking at Lindsey for approval.
That's why I think she should be a bit more grateful with her band members.

[bwboy]

OSOTM is better than Street Angel but they are both God-AWFUl!!!!!!! They killed her credibility as an artist. The only thing that saved Stevie's career is The Dance. Without it, her solo career would of died in 1994.

I agree, the Dance saved her solo career, but it also did the same for the legacy of Fleetwood Mac, too. Otherwise, the world's last impressions of them would have been either the inauguration and or touring with REO Speedwagon and Pat Benatar. They all benefited from the Dance, Stevie most of all.

[SisterNightroad]

For some great music critics The Other Side of the Mirror is her best album, or at least one of the best ones. I personally like most of it lyrics-wise, what is not everyone's cup of tea (not even mine I admit) is the very late 80s production that made it outdated probably by the year after. With time I'm coming to appreciate it just like Rock a Little that lately is experiencing a resurrecting appeal.

[Macfan4life]

For some great music critics The Other Side of the Mirror is her best album, or at least one of the best ones. I personally like most of it lyrics-wise, what is not everyone's cup of tea (not even mine I admit) is the very late 80s production that made it outdated probably by the year after. With time I'm coming to appreciate it just like Rock a Little that lately is experiencing a resurrecting appeal.
A-men Sister
The writing on TOSOTM is incredible except for the few songs she did not write (go figure). I would say its right behind Bella Donna for writing. The music is pretty good too. All of us fans are unique and like different things. For me personally, I have a spiritual connection to many of Stevie's writings. It sounds weird but sometimes I feel like she is writing about me or I wrote the song because its so close to me on a spiritual level. I have no spiritual connections to anything on RAL ;)
Commercial success means nothing to me. Christine's 1984 concert had about 200 people including myself but it was my favorite concert. Street Angel was not that popular but its one of my favorites. The Dance was a huge commercial success but most of it was the novelty of the band back together again. So it pumped life into their careers for sure. The simple pop songs don't cut it for me. But I respect those who that means something. But you should never knock an album for lack of commercial success. You can hate all the songs on TOSOTM but its not true that Stevie sounds bad or could not sing on the album. When you understand the meaning behind Ghosts, Alice, Two Kinds of Love, Long Way To go and escape from Berlin it may make you appreciate the music a little more.

[jbrownsjr]

I like TOSOTM... I know the shame!!! I can't listen to anything after that. Only certain songs after this album. Her voice just became too much for me.

[HomerMcvie]

I like TOSOTM... I know the shame!!!

You are now dead to me!!!!


PFFTTT!!!:mad::mad::mad:

[jbrownsjr]

You are now dead to me!!!!


PFFTTT!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Oh you can not blame the gypsy, she is no longer a member.

[jbrownsjr]

You are now dead to me!!!!


PFFTTT!!!:mad::mad::mad:

But there is magic!!

All around you!!!

Every time that you walk in the room...

If I do say so myself..

And...

I HAVE KNOWN THIS MUCH LONGER THAN I HAVE KNOWN YOU!!! :mad::mad:

[HomerMcvie]

But there is magic!!

All around you!!!

Every time that you walk in the room...

If I do say so myself..

And...

I HAVE KNOWN THIS MUCH LONGER THAN I HAVE KNOWN YOU!!! :mad::mad:
Are those lyrics from OSOTM?

It's been so long, that I don't remember. I mean, that disc is somewhere in my studio. Maybe in a pile. Maybe being used as a doorstop or coaster....

You know, the album that drove me away from her...:lol:

[jbrownsjr]

Are those lyrics from OSOTM?

It's been so long, that I don't remember. I mean, that disc is somewhere in my studio. Maybe in a pile. Maybe being used as a doorstop or coaster....

You know, the album that drove me away from her...:lol:

I hung in there for that album. Then after this I was done. Her voice is still really good on this album. IMO
She started to become soulless after this.

[HomerMcvie]

I hung in there for that album. Then after this I was done. Her voice is still really good on this album. IMO
She started to become soulless after this.

I tried, I really did. Nothing stood out to me. It was an effort, EVERY TIME, just making it through to the end.

And it really wasn't her voice. It was the songs! And the production. All of it.

Dung. That's what it all was. :woohoo:

[jbrownsjr]

I tried, I really did. Nothing stood out to me. It was an effort, EVERY TIME, just making it through to the end.

And it really wasn't her voice. It was the songs! And the production. All of it.

Dung. That's what it all was. :woohoo:

There is no fire burning, just a soul cryinnnnnn....

[HomerMcvie]

I thought this was the OSOTM thread?:mad::mad::mad:



:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[SisterNightroad]

I thought this was the OSOTM thread?:mad::mad::mad:



:lol::lol::lol::lol:
The best thing is that I didn't even want to post it here, I just clicked on the wrong open window.

[Street_Dreamer]

The instrumental interlude between Parts I and II of You And I is very reminiscent of something that John Stewart would have done.

[GypsySorcerer]

I hung in there for that album. Then after this I was done. Her voice is still really good on this album. IMO
She started to become soulless after this.

She started to lose me on Rock A Little, although I agree her voice was better on OSOTM. Now Street Angel....I haven't listened to that album in YEARS.

I do like TISL and especially In Your Dreams.

[secondhandchain]

I agree, the Dance saved her solo career, but it also did the same for the legacy of Fleetwood Mac, too. Otherwise, the world's last impressions of them would have been either the inauguration and or touring with REO Speedwagon and Pat Benatar. They all benefited from the Dance, Stevie most of all.

I agree and remember being so happy she was singing normally again. That over the top warble/wail was grating to put it mildly. I was a fan again....until recently.

[jbrownsjr]

She started to lose me on Rock A Little, although I agree her voice was better on OSOTM. Now Street Angel....I haven't listened to that album in YEARS.

I do like TISL and especially In Your Dreams.

I don't care for her voice so much on IYD. But, I will say the last half of IYD isn't bad at all. I don't like the 24K. Those songs were made for her young voice.

[HomerMcvie]

I don't care for her voice so much on IYD. But, I will say the last half of IYD isn't bad at all. I don't like the 24K. Those songs were made for her young voice.

Maybe she should get a voice transplant.

[Macfan4life]

I agree and remember being so happy she was singing normally again. That over the top warble/wail was grating to put it mildly. I was a fan again....until recently.
I don't care for Stevie's voice during The Dance. Her voice became flat and it was embarrassing bad during several songs live (I was there). The recording, Silver Springs and much of the "live" performance really was not live. Unless you saw them in concert you got to hear it. My local newspaper even commented that Stevie became fat and flat. The fat part was crude but the flat part was fair. Stevie even hired a voice coach for the tour. So I don't understand the comments about how great she sounded for the Dance. For the first time in concert, Stevie could no longer hit the high notes. This was a big change.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm so in love with

Special Kind of Love

Sounds a bit unfinished, but very BuckVie..

This reminds me of Time Bomb Town.

[StevieandChris]

I don't care for her voice so much on IYD. But, I will say the last half of IYD isn't bad at all. I don't like the 24K. Those songs were made for her young voice.

To each their own! I remember being horrified when it was announced 24 KG was going to be the name of that record because all of the demo versions are soooo terrible. And I think the demo of Mabel Normand is awful too. I think The Dealer demos are not awful, just boring. However I love the versions recorded versions for the record.

I think of All the Beautiful Worlds and If You Were My Love as having two versions. The versions in her younger voice are the versions I listen to when I want to dance around (I HATE the ATBW demo they put on TWH, why that version???) and the versions on the 24KG version are darker and more mysterious and I like them when I am in a reflective mood.

I hate I Don't Care, one of her worst songs.

[secondhandchain]

I don't care for her voice so much on IYD. But, I will say the last half of IYD isn't bad at all. I don't like the 24K. Those songs were made for her young voice.

I agree. I really liked In Your Dreams but the production on 24k is so bland! Believe it or not STEVIE sometimes Lindsey can make your songs way more interesting.

[jbrownsjr]

To each their own! I remember being horrified when it was announced 24 KG was going to be the name of that record because all of the demo versions are soooo terrible. And I think the demo of Mabel Normand is awful too. I think The Dealer demos are not awful, just boring. However I love the versions recorded versions for the record.

I think of All the Beautiful Worlds and If You Were My Love as having two versions. The versions in her younger voice are the versions I listen to when I want to dance around (I HATE the ATBW demo they put on TWH, why that version???) and the versions on the 24KG version are darker and more mysterious and I like them when I am in a reflective mood.

I hate I Don't Care, one of her worst songs.

It's definitely a matter of taste for her tunes, era and producers. Very subjective. I loathe when she plays piano. Most people hate Joan of Arc and I love it.

[SisterNightroad]

It's definitely a matter of taste for her tunes, era and producers. Very subjective. I loathe when she plays piano. Most people hate Joan of Arc and I love it.
I think there are more admirers for Joan of Arc than you think, there were a lot of people indignant because it wasn't included in the reissue.
But I agree that it's very much a matter of personal tastes, for example I think that 24K Gold is one of her best albums, for me it comes before The Other Side of the Mirror.

[Macfan4life]

I agree. I really liked In Your Dreams but the production on 24k is so bland! Believe it or not STEVIE sometimes Lindsey can make your songs way more interesting.
I just saw Stevie in concert and she said that when she was going to record 24k Gold she told all the players and producers to keep the songs the exact same way because they were too special to mess with. I too don't care for 24k Gold and now I know why. They are good songs but lack some magic and creative input. The demos are good but that is what makes a great producer... turning a good demo into a great song.
Sheryl Crow destroyed TISRL IMHO. Same beat almost every song. The songs all sound like demos like a blob of clay waiting for a good producer to turn them into 24k Gold (sorry I could not resist that one) :)

[jbrownsjr]

I think there are more admirers for Joan of Arc than you think, there were a lot of people indignant because it wasn't included in the reissue.
But I agree that it's very much a matter of personal tastes, for example I think that 24K Gold is one of her best albums, for me it comes before The Other Side of the Mirror.

I love OSOTM... I listened to it, yesterday. Shut up, HOMER!

[HomerMcvie]

I love OSOTM... I listened to it, yesterday. Shut up, HOMER!

Whew, I guess that makes one less time that I have to???:lol::lol::lol:

[button-lip]

I agree. I really liked In Your Dreams but the production on 24k is so bland! Believe it or not STEVIE sometimes Lindsey can make your songs way more interesting.

Sometimes?! Only sometimes?! That's Lindsey's forte. He knows it, she knows it, but she hates to admit it.

The production on 24k is bland because everybody let her do whatever she wanted. She thinks she knows everything, and she may know how to write and sing, but that's it.

[bwboy]

Anyone else notice the similarities between Special Kind of Love and Trouble? I wonder if that might have been a factor in why it didn't make it on the album.

Why oh why didn't they put Ooh My Love on Tango instead of When I See You Again, or ANY other Lindsey song in place of Family Man?

[SteveMacD]

Anyone else notice the similarities between Special Kind of Love and Trouble? I wonder if that might have been a factor in why it didn't make it on the album.

Why oh why didn't they put Ooh My Love on Tango instead of When I See You Again, or ANY other Lindsey song in place of Family Man?
My guess is that the vibe/tempo is too similar to WTTR...S.

[secondhandchain]

Anyone else notice the similarities between Special Kind of Love and Trouble? I wonder if that might have been a factor in why it didn't make it on the album.

Why oh why didn't they put Ooh My Love on Tango instead of When I See You Again, or ANY other Lindsey song in place of Family Man?

Shares a similar drum beat, that's about it.

[SpyNote]

I am just listening to the 12" Mixes disc now. I listened to the demo disc last night.

I love the Big Love mixes. I love Stevie's "It's a big big love" part. However, after reading the liner notes, I didn't realize that the female grunting echoing Lindsey on this song was not Lindsey. It kind of ruined the song for me just a tad now!

The Big Love mixes are the BEST! I was so excited to hear the Remix/Edit, which is so rare! It's such a great version with all of Lindsey's extra guitar parts included, like that completely different bridge solo. :woohoo:

I love having clean copies of all of the remixes, which were mostly available only on vinyl at the time.

[Villavic]

3. The remixes [/B]
Can't say I care about these too much. .....

It's cool that these were included but I would've preferred a live disc from the '87 set.

Each remix, when those songs start I feel like Hey, that's great!!! But after few minutes they become monotonous. Well, we are not in the 80s anymore. But it's fun to have those versions anyway.

And I agree about having a live álbum.

[GypsySorcerer]

I agree. I really liked In Your Dreams but the production on 24k is so bland! Believe it or not STEVIE sometimes Lindsey can make your songs way more interesting.


Ugh, I like a few cuts on 24K Gold, but overall it was disappointing. I mean, there was a reason most of those songs were in the vault. :shrug: Very few seemed fully fleshed out. And the vocals/production...she sounded like she was singing into a pillow. :eek:

[jbrownsjr]

Ugh, I like a few cuts on 24K Gold, but overall it was disappointing. I mean, there was a reason most of those songs were in the vault. :shrug: Very few seemed fully fleshed out. And the vocals/production...she sounded like she was singing into a pillow. :eek:

hahahahaha.. You always seem to crack me up. :)

[sorcerer999]

While I'm ecstatic in finally having crisp, clear sounding versions of the complete "You and I", "Ricky" and "Book Of Miracles", I can't help but be a bit disappointed and underwhelmed by this Deluxe Edition, at least compared to the three AMAZING sets we've gotten in year's past. All the demos, outtakes and alternates aren't very interesting to me personally, ESPECIALLY the Nicks outtakes. "Ooh My Love" is one of my favorites from TOSOTM, but sounds horrendous here, as does the "Juliet" run through. If these were the best "takes" culled from the Masters, I'd hate to hear what the others sounded like. Chris and Lindsey's outtakes are sub par to my ears as well...but the "Mystified" Instrumental is definitely a keeper.

So now I'm having buyer's remorse for shelling out a bunch of money for less than five songs that I'm happy with. LOL! Well, that AND the liner notes and pictures. Such is the curse for being a "completionist"!

I don't care much for the music videos and 12" remixes. And I don't hear many nuances in the remastering process with the actual album itself. Not that it matters. "Tango" is my least favorite "Rumours-Era Line up" album anyway. I'm just looking forward to a DELUXE 1975 WHITE ALBUM now! They've GOT to do one for for that one, right??? (Again with the "completionist" anxieties...:lol:)

I guess I'm in the minority in regards to the Deluxe Tango, huh? Is anyone else out there unimpressed with this one? I can't be the only one. :shrug:

And (as always) this is just my opinion. :p

[Nathan]

I actually asked iTunes for a refund for Ooh My Love. It's just so bad. For me, the only redeeming part are the last 10 seconds or so.

The Juliet Run-Through, I think is great. As is Book of Miracles, and the Dub Remix of Seven Wonders. Those are the only four I've bought so far.

[KenB]

Has anyone else noticed that one of the photos from the original release isn't present on the new edition -- or at least the 2-CD version, which is the one I bought. It's the shot that was on the back of the original CD traycard: the five members in the pink-and-blue pastel room, but with each member posed in a way that hides their faces, with Mick standing and the others lying on the floor. I liked that shot.

Apart from Tusk, I think this is my favorite of the reissues. The Tango b-sides were always some of my favorites (especially Down Endless Street and Ricky). And it's cool to hear what could have been Mac versions of Juliet and Ooh My Love. Unlike others here, I LOVE the roots-rocking run-through of Juliet. Keeping in mind that this wasn't intended to be the finished track, it shows what could have been. To my ears it would have been far superior to the TOSOTM version. Ooh My Love, on the other hand, I prefer the TOSOTM version.

[TrueFaith77]

I think 24K Gold is her most enjoyable album ever.

[jbrownsjr]

I actually asked iTunes for a refund for Ooh My Love. It's just so bad. For me, the only redeeming part are the last 10 seconds or so.

The Juliet Run-Through, I think is great. As is Book of Miracles, and the Dub Remix of Seven Wonders. Those are the only four I've bought so far.

her vocal on that song is insufferable..

[Macfan4life]

While I'm ecstatic in finally having crisp, clear sounding versions of the complete "You and I", "Ricky" and "Book Of Miracles", I can't help but be a bit disappointed and underwhelmed by this Deluxe Edition, at least compared to the three AMAZING sets we've gotten in year's past. All the demos, outtakes and alternates aren't very interesting to me personally, ESPECIALLY the Nicks outtakes. "Ooh My Love" is one of my favorites from TOSOTM, but sounds horrendous here, as does the "Juliet" run through. If these were the best "takes" culled from the Masters, I'd hate to hear what the others sounded like. Chris and Lindsey's outtakes are sub par to my ears as well...but the "Mystified" Instrumental is definitely a keeper.

So now I'm having buyer's remorse for shelling out a bunch of money for less than five songs that I'm happy with. LOL! Well, that AND the liner notes and pictures. Such is the curse for being a "completionist"!

I don't care much for the music videos and 12" remixes. And I don't hear many nuances in the remastering process with the actual album itself. Not that it matters. "Tango" is my least favorite "Rumours-Era Line up" album anyway. I'm just looking forward to a DELUXE 1975 WHITE ALBUM now! They've GOT to do one for for that one, right??? (Again with the "completionist" anxieties...:lol:)

I guess I'm in the minority in regards to the Deluxe Tango, huh? Is anyone else out there unimpressed with this one? I can't be the only one. :shrug:

And (as always) this is just my opinion. :p
When the release was first announced I was sort of flamed here by stating there was not enough "new" or unreleased songs that would make a re-release special. I knew they would never release any live songs without Lindsey. In some strange way, the re-release is about as exciting as the original release in my book. There are definitely some great songs and special moments. However they are way to far between in my book. The Tusk re-release was out of this world with unheard live tracks and different versions of the songs. Mirage was decent but no new live tracks. The HBO concert can only go so far.
One interesting thing about Tango is that its considered to be the Mac's second most successful album (I would question that because the Dance went to #1 and sold just as many copies I believe). However, the album only sold 3 million copies in the United States. In 1987 for an album to have 2 top 5 singles and 2 top 20 singles that is actually poor sales. In the late 80's they changed the way album sales were tabulated and album rankings were also changed. If you remember the Garth Brooks/Motley Crue controversy (if you are too young google it). Tango peaked at #7 which tells you sales were sluggish. Please don't flame me I am not knocking the album or the sales. I am stating that the sales were bleak compared to radio airplay vs other artists. It no doubt was a hit album and a success but it did not attract many new Mac fans. The songs got airplay and intense heavy play on MTV but people were not flocking to buy the album. It only sold just over 2 million copies in the late 80s and took until the year 2000 for it to be certified 3x platinum.

[dreamsunwind]

When the release was first announced I was sort of flamed here by stating there was not enough "new" or unreleased songs that would make a re-release special. I knew they would never release any live songs without Lindsey. In some strange way, the re-release is about as exciting as the original release in my book. There are definitely some great songs and special moments. However they are way to far between in my book. The Tusk re-release was out of this world with unheard live tracks and different versions of the songs. Mirage was decent but no new live tracks. The HBO concert can only go so far.
One interesting thing about Tango is that its considered to be the Mac's second most successful album (I would question that because the Dance went to #1 and sold just as many copies I believe). However, the album only sold 3 million copies in the United States. In 1987 for an album to have 2 top 5 singles and 2 top 20 singles that is actually poor sales. In the late 80's they changed the way album sales were tabulated and album rankings were also changed. If you remember the Garth Brooks/Motley Crue controversy (if you are too young google it). Tango peaked at #7 which tells you sales were sluggish. Please don't flame me I am not knocking the album or the sales. I am stating that the sales were bleak compared to radio airplay vs other artists. It no doubt was a hit album and a success but it did not attract many new Mac fans. The songs got airplay but people were not flocking to buy the album.

Well the world isn't just the US. From what I've read, Tango also did very well in Europe, particularly the UK.

[HomerMcvie]

Mirage was decent but no new live tracks. The HBO concert can only go so far.


That is my number one complaint about Mirage. Just putting the HBO concert out was sheer laziness. I mean, I know that it had tons of overdubs, and sounded very polished, but I was VERY disappointed that they couldn't give us an ACTUAL live show(NOT a bunch of overdubs - which HBO is).

[Wdm6789]

That is my number one complaint about Mirage. Just putting the HBO concert out was sheer laziness. I mean, I know that it had tons of overdubs, and sounded very polished, but I was VERY disappointed that they couldn't give us an ACTUAL live show(NOT a bunch of overdubs - which HBO is).


I agree, I was very disappointed we didn't get the full 1982 set on deluxe Mirage. Some of the performances they put on the deluxe Tusk were not that great either. They should have used better live performances on Tusk deluxe, full 1982 set on Mirage deluxe.

[Macfan4life]

Well the world isn't just the US. From what I've read, Tango also did very well in Europe, particularly the UK.
That was NOT what I said. I made no comparisons to other countries and never implied the United States is the rest of the world. YES, Tango did extremely well in the UK and sold almost as many copies there as the United States. However the sales make sense there because there were hit singles. I was pointing out the sales did not back the radio and MTV play in the United States.

[HomerMcvie]

I agree, I was very disappointed we didn't get the full 1982 set on deluxe Mirage. Some of the performances they put on the deluxe Tusk were not that great either. They should have used better live performances on Tusk deluxe, full 1982 set on Mirage deluxe.

I wanted an actual LIVE show. Watch the Mirage DVD, and almost all the guitar solos have been replaced. His hands don't match what's being played! I want to hear the real thing, warts and all...

[dreamsunwind]

That was NOT what I said. I made no comparisons to other countries and never implied the United States is the rest of the world. YES, Tango did extremely well in the UK and sold almost as many copies there as the United States. However the sales make sense there because there were hit singles. I was pointing out the sales did not back the radio and MTV play in the United States.

I know, but then odds are the reason it's regarded as their second most successful album is because of the success it had over there.

[SteveMacD]

When the release was first announced I was sort of flamed here by stating there was not enough "new" or unreleased songs that would make a re-release special. I knew they would never release any live songs without Lindsey. In some strange way, the re-release is about as exciting as the original release in my book. There are definitely some great songs and special moments. However they are way to far between in my book. The Tusk re-release was out of this world with unheard live tracks and different versions of the songs. Mirage was decent but no new live tracks. The HBO concert can only go so far.
One interesting thing about Tango is that its considered to be the Mac's second most successful album (I would question that because the Dance went to #1 and sold just as many copies I believe). However, the album only sold 3 million copies in the United States. In 1987 for an album to have 2 top 5 singles and 2 top 20 singles that is actually poor sales. In the late 80's they changed the way album sales were tabulated and album rankings were also changed. If you remember the Garth Brooks/Motley Crue controversy (if you are too young google it). Tango peaked at #7 which tells you sales were sluggish. Please don't flame me I am not knocking the album or the sales. I am stating that the sales were bleak compared to radio airplay vs other artists. It no doubt was a hit album and a success but it did not attract many new Mac fans. The songs got airplay and intense heavy play on MTV but people were not flocking to buy the album. It only sold just over 2 million copies in the late 80s and took until the year 2000 for it to be certified 3x platinum.

It's sold 15 million copies worldwide, and spent seven months in the top 20.

[secondhandchain]

I wanted an actual LIVE show. Watch the Mirage DVD, and almost all the guitar solos have been replaced. His hands don't match what's being played! I want to hear the real thing, warts and all...

On the dance you clearly hear Stevie singing with herself MANY times.

[Macfan4life]

It's sold 15 million copies worldwide, and spent seven months in the top 20.
***Bangs head against the wall****
You missed my point too. Get out of the cocoon of that you think I am saying the album was not a success. Don't be so defensive. In the late 80s some albums sold 4-5 million copies in the USA with one top ten hit sometimes. 2 million for the heavy MTV play and the number of hits the album had was extremely weak. And that is not even counting the buzz that came with the album being the first Mac album in half a decade.

[James89]

I have to disagree about the comments that Tango was not that successful in the US. It was. There were 4 major Top 20 singles that were extremely popular and the album spent more than seven months within the Top 20 and ten months within the Top 40 so the fact that it only peaked at #7 is irrelevant. Look at the Greatest Hits album. That only peaked at #14 and that's coming up to 10 million sales now.

Because of the string of hit singles the album sold steadily and not all at once like Mirage did. That album sold lots of copies in the space of about four months and then it completely dropped off the radar. That album spent five weeks at #1 and yet it didn't sell as much as Tango. There you have it.

[bwboy]

Also, the 3 videos that were released from Tango got a ton of airplay on MTV and VH1, plus other video shows that were all the rage in 1987. You couldn't turn on MTV without seeing those Fleetwood Mac videos. Mirage had two big singles, but Love in Store was not played on the radio nearly as much as the 4 singles from Tango.

Mirage came and went, but Tango had a surprising amount of staying power.

[dreamsunwind]

Yes, as far as I know, Tango was a very popular album that did quite well and a several of its songs are still pretty popular. Maybe it was a slower burn, but it was very successful in the end. I think it's one of the most popular albums from the 80s.

[BLY]

I got my Box set today. I'm loving disc 2 it's great to have all these in quality sound. This is such a great collection for us fans. The liner notes are right on point about Stevie's "involvement" with this release. The b-sides sound so so great. It makes me so excited for the Buck/McVie album. Down Endless Street, Ricky are sounding better than ever. You and I .....love it! Im thrilled with these box set releases but I want the 1975 album and all the pre Buckingham/Nicks Fleetwood Mac albums too............Tommorow night the DVD disc.

[dreamsunwind]

I got my Box set today. I'm loving disc 2 it's great to have all these in quality sound. This is such a great collection for us fans. The liner notes are right on point about Stevie's "involvement" with this release. The b-sides sound so so great. It makes me so excited for the Buck/McVie album. Down Endless Street, Ricky are sounding better than ever. You and I .....love it! Im thrilled with these box set releases but I want the 1975 album and all the pre Buckingham/Nicks Fleetwood Mac albums too............Tommorow night the DVD disc.

Can you PLEAAAASE can scan the liner notes? Or take a picture of them so we can read it? Pleaseee, I love reading those things.

[SteveMacD]

***Bangs head against the wall****
You missed my point too. Get out of the cocoon of that you think I am saying the album was not a success. Don't be so defensive.

I'm not in a cocoon or being defensive. I was thirteen in 1987. I bought TITN in August of that year (although I had been paying attention since the debut of the "Big Love" video). It was all over the radio and MTV/VH-1. "Little Lies" topped MTV's Top-20 show twice.

[TheWildHeart67]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life View Post
When the release was first announced I was sort of flamed here by stating there was not enough "new" or unreleased songs that would make a re-release special. I knew they would never release any live songs without Lindsey. In some strange way, the re-release is about as exciting as the original release in my book. There are definitely some great songs and special moments. However they are way to far between in my book. The Tusk re-release was out of this world with unheard live tracks and different versions of the songs. Mirage was decent but no new live tracks. The HBO concert can only go so far.
One interesting thing about Tango is that its considered to be the Mac's second most successful album (I would question that because the Dance went to #1 and sold just as many copies I believe). However, the album only sold 3 million copies in the United States. In 1987 for an album to have 2 top 5 singles and 2 top 20 singles that is actually poor sales. In the late 80's they changed the way album sales were tabulated and album rankings were also changed. If you remember the Garth Brooks/Motley Crue controversy (if you are too young google it). Tango peaked at #7 which tells you sales were sluggish. Please don't flame me I am not knocking the album or the sales. I am stating that the sales were bleak compared to radio airplay vs other artists. It no doubt was a hit album and a success but it did not attract many new Mac fans. The songs got airplay but people were not flocking to buy the album.

They didn't change the way album sales were tabulated until Nielsen SoundScan began tracking sales data for Nielsen and Billboard on March 1, 1991.

[Macfan4life]

I have to disagree about the comments that Tango was not that successful in the US. It was. There were 4 major Top 20 singles that were extremely popular and the album spent more than seven months within the Top 20 and ten months within the Top 40 so the fact that it only peaked at #7 is irrelevant. Look at the Greatest Hits album. That only peaked at #14 and that's coming up to 10 million sales now.

Because of the string of hit singles the album sold steadily and not all at once like Mirage did. That album sold lots of copies in the space of about four months and then it completely dropped off the radar. That album spent five weeks at #1 and yet it didn't sell as much as Tango. There you have it.
Did you read my entire post? I never said Tango was not a success. I said based on the long string of top 40 hits and heavy rotation MTV play 2 million copies is an average at best sales. If you add the part of Fleetwood Mac being a super group who reunited after half a decade, I was surprised the album did not sell more in the United States. The album sold as many copies in countries with a fraction of the population of the USA. That is odd.
I am not making any judgments about the band...simply stating fact and putting things in proportion. Initially, It was as successful as Stevie's Wild Heart even though Wild Heart charted higher. Over time it sold more than Wild Heart.
Long story short...after waiting 5 years for a miracle to happen ...a new Mac release and tons of video play, big radio hits......2 million sales in the USA was underwhelming IMHO. It should have sold double of sales in England (at least). In the late 80's the economy of the USA was booming and music was selling like hot cakes.
I keep repeating myself because there will be another post of saying "I disagree that tango was not a success" LMAO
I seem to really have hit a nerve with the Seven Wonders crowd. Don't get me started how Seven Wonders killed the album. As soon as Seven Wonders was released the album dropped from the top 10 and barely cracked the top 20. If they released Little Lies (the album's biggest hit) after Big Love, it would have kept the momentum going.
(now I really stirred the pot) :eek:
If one more person accuses me of saying Tango was not successful I am bringing my guitar to their house and going to sing "When I see you again"
Look at the glass half full and not empty. It should have been more successful. Look at the artists who sold albums in 1987 and compare them to the Mac. One top 10 hit from an unknown artist and their album sold almost as much as Tango. THAT is what I am saying.

[TrueFaith77]

I really have to take issue with this notion that TITN was not a success :mad:

Do you realize HOW MANY covers from TITN appeared on Kids Incorporated?!:cool:

[bwboy]

If one more person accuses me of saying Tango was not successful I am bringing my guitar to their house and going to sing "When I see you again"

I think a more effective threat would be to to sing Family Man :lol:

[Neal]

So I noticed when I opened my copy that all of the individual CD sleeves are dinged up. Like, the black paper is flaking off in multiple places, leaving the white paper exposed.

Anyone else have this issue? :confused:

[TheWildHeart67]

No, my case, booklet and CDs are mint .

[secondhandchain]

Did you read my entire post? I never said Tango was not a success. I said based on the long string of top 40 hits and heavy rotation MTV play 2 million copies is an average at best sales. If you add the part of Fleetwood Mac being a super group who reunited after half a decade, I was surprised the album did not sell more in the United States. The album sold as many copies in countries with a fraction of the population of the USA. That is odd.
I am not making any judgments about the band...simply stating fact and putting things in proportion. Initially, It was as successful as Stevie's Wild Heart even though Wild Heart charted higher. Over time it sold more than Wild Heart.
Long story short...after waiting 5 years for a miracle to happen ...a new Mac release and tons of video play, big radio hits......2 million sales in the USA was underwhelming IMHO. It should have sold double of sales in England (at least). In the late 80's the economy of the USA was booming and music was selling like hot cakes.
I keep repeating myself because there will be another post of saying "I disagree that tango was not a success" LMAO
I seem to really have hit a nerve with the Seven Wonders crowd. Don't get me started how Seven Wonders killed the album. As soon as Seven Wonders was released the album dropped from the top 10 and barely cracked the top 20. If they released Little Lies (the album's biggest hit) after Big Love, it would have kept the momentum going.
(now I really stirred the pot) :eek:
If one more person accuses me of saying Tango was not successful I am bringing my guitar to their house and going to sing "When I see you again"
Look at the glass half full and not empty. It should have been more successful. Look at the artists who sold albums in 1987 and compare them to the Mac. One top 10 hit from an unknown artist and their album sold almost as much as Tango. THAT is what I am saying.

I was a huge Stevie fan but when that song was released as a single...ugh. I HATED her new style of singing. Warbling, over the top, and out of control. yuk.

[Netter75]

I was a huge Stevie fan but when that song was released as a single...ugh. I HATED her new style of singing. Warbling, over the top, and out of control. yuk.

I used to think similarly, but reconsidered when I isolated how effective her vocals are on Tango without comparing her vocals to those pre-Wild Heart.

It's being discussed on the "When I See You Again" board, but in my view Stevie's over-the-top, warbling vocals actually BENEFIT Tango because they balance against meticulous slickness that is the rest of the album. The way she sings gives her song more texture and more passion than any of Lindsey's songs and most of Christine's. Tango is so polished and perfect, Stevie's erratic vocals break the flow and make the album more varied and more alive.

This is not to bash Lindsey or Chrstine's songs; I think they're both at the top of their game on Tango. But I don't detect the same obvious emotion on Isn't It Midnight or Big Love, they're more atmospheric.

Bare in mind I'm not saying that these songs SHOULD have more emotion. Little Lies would be downright goofy if Christine was crying all over the keyboard during the verses. It's about balance, and Stevie's songs balance out the others (even if they're lacking in quality). Without her I'm not sure the album would be as memorable as a whole.

Not sure if any of that made sense, but that's how I've seen it.

[TheWildHeart67]

Seven wonders peaked at #19 but was a top 10 on the rock chart and still gets airplay. It didn't kill the album. Little Lies was a bigger hit and spiked sales, true. But the former didn't kill sales.

[TheWildHeart67]

The album never returned to the US top ten after the first single dropped, but stayed in the US top 40 for months and was a steady seller. Little Lies helped spike sales. Seven Wonders didn't kill anything.

[gldstwmn]

I really have to take issue with this notion that TITN was not a success :mad:

Do you realize HOW MANY covers from TITN appeared on Kids Incorporated?!:cool:

The record was everywhere (pardon the pun). Rolling Stone noted in a interview that Neil Young had it on in his truck. I guess you had to be there.

[sorcerer999]

I can't stop listening to the masterpiece that is the COMPLETE "You and I, Part I and II"!!! :thumbsup: It's sooooooooooooo nice to finally have this in pristine condition in ALL its six minutes and twenty eight second glory!!! :blob1:

[jbrownsjr]

The record was everywhere (pardon the pun). Rolling Stone noted in a interview that Neil Young had it on in his truck. I guess you had to be there.

You really couldn't go anywhere without hearing it.

[TheWildHeart67]

TITN sold close to 15 million worldwide. 3 million in the united States

[Neal]

I can't stop listening to the masterpiece that is the COMPLETE "You and I, Part I and II"!!! :thumbsup: It's sooooooooooooo nice to finally have this in pristine condition in ALL its six minutes and twenty eight second glory!!! :blob1:

Totally agree!

I always found Part II to be skippable before, but it really sounds great up against Part I.

[TrueFaith77]

Totally agree!

I always found Part II to be skippable before, but it really sounds great up against Part I.

Tusk should have been the model for this band. No solo albums. Just one double album every two years.

I pine for an African chorale version of Edge of Seventeen.

[Travis]

Pardon me if this has already been discussed but, has anyone else noticed an error after Big Love (Remix / Edit)? It starts to play like a second of "Seven Wonders (Extended Version)" stops, then SW does play correctly. Only today did I make myself a Tango play list and I put "Everywhere (12" Version) after "Big Love (Remix / Edit)", and that is when I first noticed it. I haven't actually listened to the remix "disc" but when I did sample BL into SW in the order they have it, the error is in fact there. How could they let this slip? Doesn't someone check this stuff before it gets released?

[UndoingTheLaces]

Does the extended remix of Everywhere sound slower to anyone? Was the original 12" like this? i have a rip of the 12" that sounds closer to speed of the album mix, but maybe a fan adjusted the speed.

[BLY]

[QUOTE=TrueFaith77;1205975]Tusk should have been the model for this band. No solo albums. Just one double album every two years.

What a great idea. That would have made me a happy camper. Even though the upside is we did get more music from them. So .........after listening to Disc 2 these are my top picks at the moment.

1. Special Kind of Love
2. You and I
3. Mystfied (alt ver)
4. Down Endless Street

[MusicInferno]

Does anyone else think that the remastering sounds very bright?
Especially the drums and it's really obvious when you listen to it with headphones.

[jbrownsjr]

Does anyone else think that the remastering sounds very bright?
Especially the drums and it's really obvious when you listen to it with headphones.

Yes, it sparkles on my speakers. Sounds great. Have not listened on headphones, yet.

[Wdm6789]

Will someone please put the Family Man video on YouTube?

[Jondalar]

This is my favorite repackage. Family Man has even grow on me.

[button-lip]

This is my favorite repackage. Family Man has even grow on me.

Yes! I thought I was the only one! I love Family Man. :blob1::blob1:

[jbrownsjr]

Yes! I thought I was the only one! I love Family Man. :blob1::blob1:

I love Family Man!

[button-lip]

I love Family Man!

Oh, yes! :blob1::blob1::woohoo:

[jbrownsjr]

Oh, yes! :blob1::blob1::woohoo:


The guitar and Christine's rhythm keys.. and even Stevie's...

am what i am.. am what i am.. am what i am........................


so good when you're bobbin down the freeway..

[button-lip]

The guitar and Christine's rhythm keys.. and even Stevie's...

am what i am.. am what i am.. am what i am........................


so good when you're bobbin down the freeway..

The extended vocal remix is my favorite in the extended version.

Those Stevie's "sister, sister" at the end should have stayed in the original version.

I can't tell you how many times I turned on the wrong curb because of FM! :lol: