Mick Fleetwood Says New Album Without Stevie Nicks Will Win Awards

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Mick Fleetwood Says New Album Without Stevie Nicks Will Win Awards
By Martin Kielty March 21, 2017 9:40 AM

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Mick Fleetwood believes that the upcoming Fleetwood Mac spin-off album, which features the whole band except Stevie Nicks, is good enough to win awards.

The LP is to be released in the summer under the banner of Buckingham McVie, since it consists of songs written by Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie. However, it also features Fleetwood and bassist John McVie, after singer Nicks arranged a solo schedule and declared herself unwilling to participate in further recording with Fleetwood Mac.

“The crafting of the album became so specifically about Chris and Lindsey some time ago,” Fleetwood told Uncut. “It came under the heading of music that had to come out. Chris is full of vim and vigor, which is mind-blowing, and I’m really happy for Lindsey, because this is what he most likes to do – putting something together.

“This relationship is a real expression of a musical powerhouse that’s come to the fore, and we’re all happy about that,” he added. “It’s really cool. I think they’ll be walking down some red carpets with this one.”

Buckingham said he’s grown since the last time he worked with McVie. “I realized I’m a completely different person,” he said. “I’m a father of three children, I’ve been married almost 20 years. I’ve had my journey, and Christine has had her own journey.”

McVie returned to Fleetwood Mac in 2014 after a handful of earlier guest appearances on stage convinced her to rethink her retirement, which had begun in 1998. The band had started work on a record together before Nicks decided she didn’t want to take part. “It’s an umbilical cord that can’t be broken,” McVie said. “It just pulls you back.”

But Nicks plans to return in time for a road trip next year. “The 2018 tour is supposed to be a farewell – but you take farewell tours one at a time,” McVie noted. “Somehow we always come together, this unit. We can feel it ourselves.”


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this is just pulled together excerpts, really, and if it's already posted then mods feel free to merge.

[Nick]

I honestly feel this was a big "F*ck You" to Stevie and I'm cool with it. I love her, but she let a lot of us down.

[MikeInNV]

I honestly feel this was a big "F*ck You" to Stevie and I'm cool with it. I love her, but she let a lot of us down.

I don't think this was a "F*ck You" any more than I think she ever "held them hostage" (oh, how I got sick of that phrase). She was offered a chance to participate; she chose not to; they made a record without her. Adults making their own decisions based on what they think is best for them.

[BLY]

I don't think this was a "F*ck You" anymore than I think she ever "held them hostage" (oh, how I got sick of that phrase). She was offered a chance to participate; she chose not to; they made a record without her. Adults making their own decisions based on what they think is best for them.


Exactly and right on point. I still wish it was under the Fleetwood Mac name considering it was Stevie's decision not to record.

[Regina]

Someone get Lindsey some smelling salts! Worlds are colliding. The big machine is trying to horn in on potential future kudos for the small machine.

Really, Mick must have his panties in a bunch or something. Lindsey has done some great, sometimes groundbreaking solo stuff and never walked the carpet so...years later, when he still has a relatively small following for his solo stuff (in comparison to the Old Big Machine), I doubt anyone is going to recognize him in that Red Carpet way. Should they? Yes. Will they? I doubt it.

And, Mick will be all kumbaya-ing with Stevie when the ink is signed on the contracts for the next tour, I'm sure.

[SteveMacD]

Exactly and right on point. I still wish it was under the Fleetwood Mac name considering it was Stevie's decision not to record.

That's the part that I find astounding. They fought for years for ownership of the Fleetwood Mac name, and it cost them a lot of money, so to not use it on this album seems crazy.

[secondhandchain]

This quote is a few weeks old now and has been posted here a lot. That being said, he said that about Say You will as well. But I pray he's right! If they get a grammy nod that will be a big FU to Stevie. She loves the spotlight more then anything and that will drive her NUTS!
:blob1::blob1:

[Frankenstein]

The title is great :thumbsup:

[jbrownsjr]

If you read twitter or any of the chiffon pages on FB.
(Elle pointed this out to me re: the Twitter stuff.)

The chiffons and and shippers have gone angry!! I mean off the charts.
Lots of the anger is directed at Christine and some at Lindsey. I guess Christine is the other woman and she got to rest for 16 years and now; she has the nerve to come back and take Stevie's spot.

I read one comment that said, "How dare they not wait for Stevie to finish her tour. They waited for Christine!!!"

These people are nuts!!

Having said that, I just hope it's a great album and tour. They sound so excited to be viable artists creating in today's market. I love their attitudes about the music and toward each other.
My acting teacher told me, if you keep doing the same gig over and over, you'll start to hate your art.

[HomerMcvie]

The chiffons and and shippers have gone angry!! I mean off the charts.
Lots of the anger is directed at Christine and some at Lindsey. I guess Christine is the other woman and she got to rest for 16 years and now; she has the nerve to come back and take Stevie's spot.

I read one comment that said, "How dare they not wait for Stevie to finish her tour. They waited for Christine!!!"

These people are nuts!!

Are we allowed to say this? Seems like a whole bunch of people won't like it. Be careful, my friend. :angel:

[dreamsunwind]

If you read twitter or any of the chiffon pages on FB.
(Elle pointed this out to me re: the Twitter stuff.)

The chiffons and and shippers have gone angry!! I mean off the charts.
Lots of the anger is directed at Christine and some at Lindsey. I guess Christine is the other woman and she got to rest for 16 years and now; she has the nerve to come back and take Stevie's spot.

I read one comment that said, "How dare they not wait for Stevie to finish her tour. They waited for Christine!!!"

These people are nuts!!

Having said that, I just hope it's a great album and tour. They sound so excited to be viable artists creating in today's market. I love their attitudes about the music and toward each other.
My acting teacher told me, if you keep doing the same gig over and over, you'll start to hate your art.


Everyone on the twitters I follow, and I follow plenty as well some instagrams, is perfectly sane :shrug:
Maybe it's the odd 1 or 2 over the top people you're talking about but everyone I know of is fine, whether they're 'chiffons' or 'shippers', they even make a good few jokes about it.

[jbrownsjr]

Everyone on the twitters I follow, and I follow plenty as well some instagrams, is perfectly sane :shrug:
Maybe it's the odd 1 or 2 over the top people you're talking about but everyone I know of is fine, whether they're 'chiffons' or 'shippers', they even make a good few jokes about it.

It is 1 or 2 or 3. But the venom is astounding. However, I will say that even though the subject matter is BuckVie or McBuck, they come into the thread and just start popping off about how angry they are about the new album, or how much of a failure the rest of the band is without Stevie. Or HOW DARE THEY CALL IT BUCKINGHAM/MCVIE it will hurt Stevie's feelings. I think it's kind of funny, but insane nonetheless.

Blame Elle, she had me reading the twitter. But the FB pages, I did all on my own. I don't comment because it's one flew over the cuckoo's nest over there.

As much as we fight sometimes over here, we are mostly a sane bunch.


As for you Homer.. better me say it than you. I don't need goatbreath in every sentence. :lol:

[dreamsunwind]

It is 1 or 2 or 3. But the venom is astounding. However, I will say that even though the subject matter is BuckVie or McBuck, they come into the thread and just start popping off about how angry they are about the new album, or how much of a failure the rest of the band is without Stevie. Or HOW DARE THEY CALL IT BUCKINGHAM/MCVIE it will hurt Stevie's feelings. I think it's kind of funny, but insane nonetheless.

Blame Elle, she had me reading the twitter. But the FB pages, I did all on my own. I don't comment because it's one flew over the cuckoo's nest over there.

As much as we fight sometimes over here, we are mostly a sane bunch.


As for you Homer.. better me say it that you. I don't need goatbreath in every sentence. :lol:

Yeah there's always gonna be the few that are over the top, but it's pretty nice to see that most everyone is pretty fine about the whole thing.

I don't join any FB groups though. I heard people talk about the Ivory Keys one that posts all the demos and everything I think those that run it need a couple xanax.

[jbrownsjr]

^^^ I actually took screen shots of some of them. I'll post them later.

one reads

"Buckingham/McVie??? Really??? They can be named Fleetwood Mac or 'whatever the f***!! But Buckingham/McVie?? It's like they are plaing a game: How make make more and more upset Stevie Nicks and make it so she decides not to come back."

[dreamsunwind]

^^^ I actually took screen shots of some of them. I'll post them later.

one reads

"Buckingham/McVie??? Really??? They can be named Fleetwood Mac or 'whatever the f***!! But Buckingham/McVie?? It's like they are plaing a game: How make make more and more upset Stevie Nicks and make it so she decides not to come back."

lol well there's always people like that anywhere you go but i can assure you i check plenty of FM/Stevie twitters and they're fine. some of them were photoshopping christine's head over stevie's body on the BN album cover, i saw somebody's edit (and this person would probably be considered a 'chiffon') got a lot of retweets actually :lol:

[sodascouts]

^^^ I actually took screen shots of some of them. I'll post them later.

one reads

"Buckingham/McVie??? Really??? They can be named Fleetwood Mac or 'whatever the f***!! But Buckingham/McVie?? It's like they are plaing a game: How make make more and more upset Stevie Nicks and make it so she decides not to come back."


I can understand the desire to post "insane" tweets and Facebook comments in order to point and laugh; I do hope that we all can refrain from implying that they are representative of Stevie fans and/or Buckingham Nicks fans in general.

[HomerMcvie]

As for you Homer.. better me say it than you. I don't need goatbreath in every sentence. :lol:

You got me OGB, yeah you know me.

Ever since that popped into my head this morning, I've been chanting it all day (wishing it would leave).

[dreamsunwind]

I can understand the desire to post "insane" tweets and Facebook comments in order to point and laugh; I do hope that we all can refrain from implying that they are representative of Stevie fans and/or Buckingham Nicks fans in general.

IA with this.

[24karatstevie]

I'm excited for Buckingham McVie; I hope it does well. I guess I too am what many would consider a "Chiffonhead" and I will love and support Stevie until the day I die. What I don't understand is why can't we hope that Buckingham McVie wins awards without also hoping it's a dig against Stevie. The members of Fleetwood Mac seem to be content with their own respective projects, why can't the fans as well. This really seems like a win-win situation to me. Lindsey and Chris get to make and promote an album, and Stevie gets to continue doing what she loves with her critically acclaimed solo tour. Then they will probably all get back together for a Fleetwood Mac tour. I love all members of this band, and I want to see them all successful and happy, however that may be.

[jbrownsjr]

lol well there's always people like that anywhere you go but i can assure you i check plenty of FM/Stevie twitters and they're fine. some of them were photoshopping christine's head over stevie's body on the BN album cover, i saw somebody's edit (and this person would probably be considered a 'chiffon') got a lot of retweets actually :lol:

I saw that.. :lol:

[sodascouts]

Agreed, 24karatstevie. Why assume that Mick's complimenting of Lindsey and Christine's work is necessarily an insult to Stevie? Didn't he just attend one of her concerts and praise her work as well?

[dreamsunwind]

Agreed, 24karatstevie. Why assume that Mick's complimenting of Lindsey and Christine's work is necessarily an insult to Stevie? Didn't he just attend one of her concerts and praise her work as well?

It was how the title was worded. Very click bait-y. If you read the actual thing, it sounded perfectly fine within context but most people never actually read the thing.

[SisterNightroad]

Isn't this just a cut and paste from a previous article?

[jkmaletic]

Everyone on the twitters I follow, and I follow plenty as well some instagrams, is perfectly sane :shrug:
Maybe it's the odd 1 or 2 over the top people you're talking about but everyone I know of is fine, whether they're 'chiffons' or 'shippers', they even make a good few jokes about it.

Yes. I haven't heard any crazy rants on twitter regarding this. As you said, there may be an odd 1 or 2 over the top, pot-stirrers, but I haven't come across any.
Most "chiffon heads" I know could care less that Buckingham McVie are doing their own thing. A lot of them are happy about it as it frees up Stevie to add tour dates or record another solo project. :shrug:
I was thinking more about why this project wasn't just called Fleetwood Mac ... it's probably the record execs. I doubt an of the band members would care if they called it a Fleetwood Mac record.
I'm happy for you all that this is happening though. :thumbsup:

Jamie

[michelej1]

This quote is a few weeks old now and has been posted here a lot. That being said, he said that about Say You will as well. But I pray he's right! If they get a grammy nod that will be a big FU to Stevie. She loves the spotlight more then anything and that will drive her NUTS!
:blob1::blob1:

I won't hold my breath for any awards. I don't care about sales either. But I do hope it gets good critical reviews. That's what I will consider important.

Michele

[TheWildHeart67]

It's very interesting that FM still thrives on drama, including many fans. I think most of the drama currently going on is happening more online with fans than between the actual members of the band, to be honest.

[dreamsunwind]

It's very interesting that FM still thrives on drama, including many fans. I think most of the drama currently going on is happening more online with fans than between the actual members of the band, to be honest.

that is most likely very true.

[jbrownsjr]

It's very interesting that FM still thrives on drama, including many fans. I think most of the drama currently going on is happening more online with fans than between the actual members of the band, to be honest.

It's all rumours.

[James89]

I'll be totally honest about the whole thing. I'm excited for this album. Those two with Mick and John should sound like vintage Mac. Anything similar to Tango and I will love it. However. I'm so gutted that Stevie won't be on it. They need her voice in the mix. Just listen to Little Lies. When she comes in the chorus with "Tell me lies" it gives me chills.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to it nonetheless.

[BLY]

I'll be totally honest about the whole thing. I'm excited for this album. Those two with Mick and John should sound like vintage Mac. Anything similar to Tango and I will love it. However. I'm so gutted that Stevie won't be on it. They need her voice in the mix. Just listen to Little Lies. When she comes in the chorus with "Tell me lies" it gives me chills.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to it nonetheless.



I'm with you on this James89!

[jbrownsjr]

I'll be totally honest about the whole thing. I'm excited for this album. Those two with Mick and John should sound like vintage Mac. Anything similar to Tango and I will love it. However. I'm so gutted that Stevie won't be on it. They need her voice in the mix. Just listen to Little Lies. When she comes in the chorus with "Tell me lies" it gives me chills.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to it nonetheless.

I'm glad you're into it! I'm over the Stevie part.

In 2014 I was thinking Magic 5 Tour w/ new album. All 5 record the album followed by a World Tour. And I couldn't imagine her not wanting to do that with her old bandmate Christine. It did break my heart a bit that she didn't record with them.

Nowadays, I'm so glad she's not there and didn't record with them. I let go.
The music will be about the duet. And as they say, a splinter of the group. It should be interesting. I almost wish and hope John and Mick are only on parts of the album.

[TrueFaith77]

I won't hold my breath for any awards. I don't care about sales either. But I do hope it gets good critical reviews. That's what I will consider important.

Michele

This puzzled me at first because I think music critics are almost as bad as film critics, but it did remind me how all the reviews for SYW commented on how it just isn't Mac without Christine. (Probably similar to Behind the Mask and The Time). Sooooooo, I the challenge is if critics will say: "Nicks' presence is missed." And, frankly, how can it not be? But it would be too bad if that's the critical line on this release. Christine, after all, was a SIGNIFYING absence on SYW. Among other wonders that album provides.

[sue]

I'll be totally honest about the whole thing. I'm excited for this album. Those two with Mick and John should sound like vintage Mac. Anything similar to Tango and I will love it. However. I'm so gutted that Stevie won't be on it. They need her voice in the mix. Just listen to Little Lies. When she comes in the chorus with "Tell me lies" it gives me chills.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to it nonetheless.

I agree, James.
I am looking forward to the new music.
But, I will miss Stevie's voice and Stevie songs.....and that's just how it is.

[FuzzyPlum]

This puzzled me at first because I think music critics are almost as bad as film critics, but it did remind me how all the reviews for SYW commented on how it just isn't Mac without Christine. (Probably similar to Behind the Mask and The Time). Sooooooo, I the challenge is if critics will say: "Nicks' presence is missed." And, frankly, how can it not be? But it would be too bad if that's the critical line on this release. Christine, after all, was a SIGNIFYING absence on SYW. Among other wonders that album provides.


I don't see how anyone can comment on Stevie being missed when it isn't even a Fleetwood Mac album. You wouldn't claim 'Stevie is missed' when referring to a Lindsey or Christine solo album. A person cant be missed if its a new entity. As for Say You Will- Lindsey and Stevie really were polar opposites in many ways- musically, they've moved away from each other so much since Buckingham Nicks. Christine really was missed as the bridge in-between them. Chris and Lindsey are more of a natural fit together.
Of course Stevie will be missed- we all would prefer a full Fleetwood Mac album. However, I feel sure that wont be the be all and end all as far as the critics are concerned. I think all the evidence we have of them working together in the past really bodes well for something that could be special and garner real critical acclaim.

[bombaysaffires]

anyone who's p$ssed Stevie isn't on the album should look to the source--Stevie herself. She's more focused on solidifying her personal fame and status as a legend... as Chris noted, Stevie is a "brand" by this point in her career... and she's, as Chris also noted, "self obsessed" about it. Let's face it, there aren't many (are there any others??) female rockers about 70 who are out there still filling venues... (even tho really she wouldn't fill them without the double bills). That's her focus now.

The rest of us are disappointed, which is a different thing.We're willing to take what we can get while it's still possible to get anything at all......

[elle]

anyone who's p$ssed Stevie isn't on the album should look to the source--Stevie herself. She's more focused on solidifying her personal fame and status as a legend... as Chris noted, Stevie is a "brand" by this point in her career... and she's, as Chris also noted, "self obsessed" about it. Let's face it, there aren't many (are there any others??) female rockers about 70 who are out there still filling venues... (even tho really she wouldn't fill them without the double bills). That's her focus now.

The rest of us are disappointed, which is a different thing.We're willing to take what we can get while it's still possible to get anything at all......

Cher is way over 70. Tina Turner is almost 80 but I think she's been retired the last few years.
Not a rocker but Dolly is more than filling arenas and headlined Glasto last year.

Isn't Joan Jett touring arenas right about now?

[bombaysaffires]

Cher is way over 70. Tina Turner is almost 80 but I think she's been retired the last few years.
Not a rocker but Dolly is more than filling arenas and headlined Glasto last year.

Isn't Joan Jett touring arenas right about now?

yeah, maybe it's just me but I don't think of Cher as a rocker. I like her; but I t think of her as a Vegas act for whatever reason, probably because she was doing big Vegas shows decades before any real rockers. :shrug:

Tina stopped touring quite a while ago.

Dolly for sure.

Joan is selling out arenas?? It must be a double or triple bill :shrug:

[SisterNightroad]

Let's face it, there aren't many (are there any others??) female rockers about 70 who are out there still filling venues... (even tho really she wouldn't fill them without the double bills). That's her focus now.
The only one I can think of on top of my head is maybe Patti Smith?

[jbrownsjr]

anyone who's p$ssed Stevie isn't on the album should look to the source--Stevie herself. She's more focused on solidifying her personal fame and status as a legend... as Chris noted, Stevie is a "brand" by this point in her career... and she's, as Chris also noted, "self obsessed" about it. Let's face it, there aren't many (are there any others??) female rockers about 70 who are out there still filling venues... (even tho really she wouldn't fill them without the double bills). That's her focus now.

The rest of us are disappointed, which is a different thing.We're willing to take what we can get while it's still possible to get anything at all......

Everything you do has been done!!! ............and it WON'T last forever........

[michelej1]

yeah, maybe it's just me but I don't think of Cher as a rocker. I like her; but I t think of her as a Vegas act for whatever reason, probably because she was doing big Vegas shows decades before any real rockers. :shrug:



Yes, Sonny and Cher started doing Vegas shows even before they got their tv show. And Cher has never stopped doing them since, as a solo.

Ha ha, but I will classify her punkish version of Sonny's Bang Bang as a rock song.

And let me take a moment and praise Needles and Pins, while I'm here. I am proud of my guy, even though if he'd have lived, given the climate these days, I'd probably wish he would ski into a tree.

Michele

[sue]

Yes, Sonny and Cher started doing Vegas shows even before they got their tv show. And Cher has never stopped doing them since, as a solo.

Ha ha, but I will classify her punkish version of Sonny's Bang Bang as a rock song.

And let me take a moment and praise Needles and Pins, while I'm here. I am proud of my guy, even though if he'd have lived, given the climate these days, I'd probably wish he would ski into a tree.

Michele

Needles and Pins is one of my favourite golden oldies especially by The Searchers.
For years I thought Jackie de Shannon wrote it and was way surprised when I found out Sonny Bono wrote it.....cool song from way back.

[TrueFaith77]

I don't see how anyone can comment on Stevie being missed when it isn't even a Fleetwood Mac album. You wouldn't claim 'Stevie is missed' when referring to a Lindsey or Christine solo album.

I would. I always feel that way when I hear any of their solo albums: "If only..." and, of course, even solo I feel they are singing to each other--across albums rather than across or within songs.

[MikeVielhaber]

Cher is way over 70. Tina Turner is almost 80 but I think she's been retired the last few years.
Not a rocker but Dolly is more than filling arenas and headlined Glasto last year.

Isn't Joan Jett touring arenas right about now?

Joan Jett is touring this summer opening for Boston who are mostly a revolving door of members alongside Tom Scholz.

Plus, she's 10 years younger than Stevie.

[shackin'up]

I don't see how anyone can comment on Stevie being missed when it isn't even a Fleetwood Mac album.
Uh....because it is a Fleetwood Mac Album. But not named so because she''s not there. No other reason.

[HomerMcvie]

Uh....because it is a Fleetwood Mac Album. But not named so because she''s not there. No other reason.

Yep. What he said. No other reason. It's absolute B.S.

[jbrownsjr]

Yep. What he said. No other reason. It's absolute B.S.

I love the title and the project.

As you know, sometimes art morphs into something that you didn't expect, but yet, it was right in front of your face.

I trust that this is what happened and the Buckingham/McVie project is going to be a charming and a wonderful adventure.

Like they said, they didn't say, "Stevie you're not welcome." But, really Stevie, you're not welcome.. lol

[Feather Blade]

Uh....because it is a Fleetwood Mac Album. But not named so because she''s not there. No other reason.

But it doesn't sound like it really IS a Fleetwood Mac album. According to some of the early press on the project, Mick and John were only reported to be making cameo appearances. Sister Nightroad and I both remembered reading something about this, so I don't think I'm going crazy or anything.

[elle]

But it doesn't sound like it really IS a Fleetwood Mac album. According to some of the early press on the project, Mick and John were only reported to be making cameo appearances. Sister Nightroad and I both remembered reading something about this, so I don't think I'm going crazy or anything.

You all should actually read that uncut article. They made it very clear Mick and John recorded the album with them. They are just not calling it FM. And they won't tour.

[MikeVielhaber]

But it doesn't sound like it really IS a Fleetwood Mac album. According to some of the early press on the project, Mick and John were only reported to be making cameo appearances. Sister Nightroad and I both remembered reading something about this, so I don't think I'm going crazy or anything.

They definitely recorded the album with Mick and John. Calling it a "cameo" or "special appearance" or whatever is probably just them trying to make sense of it not being called Fleetwood Mac. Whether 100% of the album is with Mick and John, I guess we don't know that yet.

[elle]

But it doesn't sound like it really IS a Fleetwood Mac album. According to some of the early press on the project, Mick and John were only reported to be making cameo appearances. Sister Nightroad and I both remembered reading something about this, so I don't think I'm going crazy or anything.

here is a quote from Uncut:

ONE thing is for sure – this is not a Fleetwood Mac album. Sure, it has both Buckingham and McVie singing and writing. It even has bassist John McVie and drummer Mick Fleetwood backing them up, not just an incredibly versatile rhythm section but the namesakes of the band. Still, Buckingham McVie is something different – not unprecedented, not unusual, not even that much of a departure musically, but still its own entity in the band’s sprawling catalogue. For one thing, Stevie Nicks doesn’t play on the record – which is perhaps a minor quibble considering at least one member of the classic ’70s lineup has been missing from the group’s last three albums. Says Buckingham, “There was logic enough for having [John and Mick] participate in the studio, and the idea of it being a Fleetwood Mac album I’m sure got voiced, in an idle way, without there being an agenda for it. And Stevie knew what we were doing. Early on we weren’t calling it a duets album, so it wasn’t like we were telling her, ‘You can’t come down.’ Stevie was just involved in what she was doing.”

[vivfox]

Like they said, they didn't say, "Stevie you're not welcome." But, really Stevie, you're not welcome.. lol


Probably never going to happen but I'd get a real kick out of watching everyone's head spin if SN showed up onstage to sing backup at one of the upcoming BM shows.

And I just got a minor laugh myself typing out the letters, BM.:lol:

[elle]

Probably never going to happen but I'd get a real kick out of watching everyone's head spin if SN showed up onstage to sing backup at one of the upcoming BM shows.

haha not gonna happen and you know it! she's scrambling to find competing gigs in the same timeframe --> see Don Henley bday gig.

now Mick showing up i can see!

[jbrownsjr]

Probably never going to happen but I'd get a real kick out of watching everyone's head spin if SN showed up onstage to sing backup at one of the upcoming BM shows.

And I just got a minor laugh myself typing out the letters, BM.:lol:

That would be an awesome display of class on Stevie's part. And I would love it.

[jkmaletic]

haha not gonna happen and you know it! she's scrambling to find competing gigs in the same timeframe --> see Don Henley bday gig.

now Mick showing up i can see!

"Scrambling"? :rolleyes: This isn't a competition.

C'mon. She's just doing her thing while they're doing theirs.

[jkmaletic]

That would be an awesome display of class on Stevie's part. And I would love it.

Not gonna happen. Would make zero sense.

[vivfox]

Not gonna happen. Would make zero sense.
It makes perfect sense because Chris and Lindsey probably will sing a bunch of their known classics of which SN already sings backup on.But I know it is wishful thinking on my part.

[dreamsunwind]

"Scrambling"? :rolleyes: This isn't a competition.

C'mon. She's just doing her thing while they're doing theirs.

I don't think she's scrambling or anything either but I just find it kind of annoying that she's signing up for all of these pretty lame gigs. Like no offense and it's just my opinion obviously but performing with Tom Petty for the 100th time at his concert? Going to perform (probably Leather and Lace for the 100th time) at Don Henley's birthday party? No one will care about either of those things the second it's over. She could have been doing something that would be really meaningful for her own band and the fans and would've been a beautiful way to come full circle and bring a curtain call. Sure a lot of people only care about hits but it really would've meant a lot to a lot of other people as well as her other band mates who wanted it.

Like I get wanting to do your own thing but it's just annoying.

[Angel75]

I don't think she's scrambling or anything either but I just find it kind of annoying that she's signing up for all of these pretty lame gigs. Like no offense and it's just my opinion obviously but performing with Tom Petty for the 100th time at his concert? Going to perform (probably Leather and Lace for the 100th time) at Don Henley's birthday party? No one will care about either of those things the second it's over. She could have been doing something that would be really meaningful for her own band and the fans and would've been a beautiful way to come full circle and bring a curtain call. Sure a lot of people only care about hits but it really would've meant a lot to a lot of other people as well as her other band mates who wanted it.

Like I get wanting to do your own thing but it's just annoying.

Yeah I think it's annoying as well. She seems to be so determined to spend time with every other artist or band that isn't FM at the moment. I appreciate that she is doing the East/ West festival but I have the feeling she wishes she could only focus on solo work for like another two years

[bwboy]

haha not gonna happen and you know it! she's scrambling to find competing gigs in the same timeframe --> see Don Henley bday gig.

now Mick showing up i can see!

I think Stevie is genuinely close to Don Henley... do you really think she's performing at his birthday party to compete with Buckingham McVie? That would be... devious:laugh:

[bwboy]

One solution to the touring situation- Stevie could extend her tour and invite Buckingham Nicks to replace the Pretenders as her opening act. Everybody would win!

[justcrazylove]

One solution to the touring situation- Stevie could extend her tour and invite Buckingham Nicks to replace the Pretenders as her opening act. Everybody would win!

You claim you're not baiting anyone. :rolleyes:

[bwboy]

Good grief! Then how about "with special guests Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie?!?" Chris and Lindsey could play in venues they're accustomed to, at prices where they would make more money, and they could interact with Stevie on stage as much or as little as they want to. Stevie could move a couple of FM songs to the early part of her set list, or she could come out during their performance and sing back up, as someone else suggested. Or they could not perform together at all, although that would really be weird. And for people here who hate Stevie, they could leave before she comes on, or right after Chris and or Lindsey leave the stage. Win win!

Stevie did the same thing with Rod Stewart a few years back, by the way. There's no shame in opening up for somebody.

[TheWildHeart67]

Bwboy, that's never going to happen. Stevie will be back with all 5 of the Rumours lineup in 2018

[FuzzyPlum]

Good grief! Then how about "with special guests Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie?!?" Chris and Lindsey could play in venues they're accustomed to, at prices where they would make more money, and they could interact with Stevie on stage as much or as little as they want to. Stevie could move a couple of FM songs to the early part of her set list, or she could come out during their performance and sing back up, as someone else suggested. Or they could not perform together at all, although that would really be weird. And for people here who hate Stevie, they could leave before she comes on, or right after Chris and or Lindsey leave the stage. Win win!

Stevie did the same thing with Rod Stewart a few years back, by the way. There's no shame in opening up for somebody.


You're still at it.
Thats really not happening is it?
Are you sure you aren't welcomechris in disguise?

[Angel75]

Good grief! Then how about "with special guests Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie?!?" Chris and Lindsey could play in venues they're accustomed to, at prices where they would make more money, and they could interact with Stevie on stage as much or as little as they want to. Stevie could move a couple of FM songs to the early part of her set list, or she could come out during their performance and sing back up, as someone else suggested. Or they could not perform together at all, although that would really be weird. And for people here who hate Stevie, they could leave before she comes on, or right after Chris and or Lindsey leave the stage. Win win!

Stevie did the same thing with Rod Stewart a few years back, by the way. There's no shame in opening up for somebody.

Surely you cant be serious....?!

[jbrownsjr]

You're still at it.
Thats really not happening is it?
Are you sure you aren't welcomechris in disguise?

Haha, I remember welcomechris..

The mentality is the same. It's like..." well... well... well... then how about Lindsey has to fly Stevie's plane!! How about that huh?? "

:lol::lol::lol:

[bwboy]

Why are people outraged or offended by the notion that Buckingham McVie could open for Stevie as "very special guests?" There's no shame in it, which is what you seem to be implying.

1) Stevie Nicks opened for Rod Stewart

2) The Pretenders are opening for Stevie now

3) Cyndi Lauper will be opening for Rod Stewart

4) Mariah Carey is opening for Lionel Richie

Other people have said Buckingham McVie will be playing smaller venues at reduced prices. Suggesting Christine and Lindsey open as special guests for another act to reach a wider audience is a smart and practical option. They all get along when they tour, so that shouldn't be an issue. I wouldn't see Buckingham McVie alone, nor would I see Stevie alone. Buckingham McVie AND Stevie Nicks on the same bill? That I would pay big bucks to see.

They don't have to tour with Stevie, since that seems so outrageous to some people. Rod Stewart would have been an interesting match. Maybe even Lady Antebellum, I don't know. The point is, I was not insulting the band when I suggested they open/be very special guests of Stevie or any other act. And I think it's amusing that people are so sensitive about it, when there's no need to be.

[Iamwilliame]

I can envision B/M as a special guest/opening act for someone in the same league as FM and whom they respect as an artist. However, that act will never be Stevie Nicks. We are kidding ourselves if we think Lindsey would ever agree to that.

[BLY]

I can envision B/M as a special guest/opening act for someone in the same league as FM and whom they respect as an artist. However, that act will never be Stevie Nicks. We are kidding ourselves if we think Lindsey would ever agree to that.



This would never happen for so many reasons. The first being this is a Buckingham McVie's show. It should not be an opening act for a Stevie's solo concert. If this was the case, Stevie would be on the album and it would be a "Fleetwood Mac show"

[HomerMcvie]

It never ceases to amaze me, the number of Stevie fans who completely live in a fantasy land...

[elle]

Haha, I remember welcomechris..

The mentality is the same. It's like..." well... well... well... then how about Lindsey has to fly Stevie's plane!! How about that huh?? "


:lol::lol:

[elle]

Other people have said Buckingham McVie will be playing smaller venues at reduced prices.

intimate venues and cheaper shows are a win-win for fans. that's what we want! :woohoo:

why anyone would think that paying more to see less, from further away, and hear just half the songs that we could get otherwise, would be a win for us is way beyond my comprehension.

[HomerMcvie]

intimate venues and cheaper shows are a win-win for fans. that's what we want! :woohoo:

why anyone would think that paying more to see less, from further away, and hear just half the songs that we could get otherwise, would be a win for us is way beyond my comprehension.

Amen! I'm FAR more excited about this tour? than I could possibly be for another FM golden moldies tour!!!!

New music, smaller venues, cheaper ticket prices? Yeah, all that is pissing me off!!!:lol:

[bwboy]

intimate venues and cheaper shows are a win-win for fans. that's what we want! :woohoo:

why anyone would think that paying more to see less, from further away, and hear just half the songs that we could get otherwise, would be a win for us is way beyond my comprehension.

True... but some people said B/M would be losing money by touring these smaller venues, so pairing up with another act would be a way to offset that, which could lead to even more dates so more people have the option to see them.

Obviously, a huge fan of B/M would pay big money to see them, whereas a casual fan might be on the fence. That's why a double bill might benefit them, plus lead to more exposure for the album, which never hurts.

Btw, I know they're saying it's a duets album, but does that really mean every song is a duet? Or a majority? I can't believe EVERY song is a duet, hopefully there will be at least a few songs that will spotlight them individually.

[elle]

True... but some people said B/M would be losing money by touring these smaller venues, so pairing up with another act would be a way to offset that, which could lead to even more dates so more people have the option to see them.

i see this is hard for you to understand - they are NOT doing this for the money. if they don't care, why do you?

quantity is not always better than quality. remember when Nicks opened for Rod Stewart? remember how much her fans hated it and wished she'd never done it? she had a new album to promote and she was doing a shortened set with like zero songs from her new album (or maybe one song?). nobody got to hear her new songs. and her fans hated being among all the Rod fans.

so yeah your little proposition would completely beat the purpose for the tour in the first place. for both the fans and for Christine and Lindsey. if they cared about that, they would have just done Fleetwood Mac moldies tour and throw in one new song.

[jbrownsjr]

Amen! I'm FAR more excited about this tour? than I could possibly be for another FM golden moldies tour!!!!

New music, smaller venues, cheaper ticket prices? Yeah, all that is pissing me off!!!:lol:

It's like the difference of going to McDonalds. Yep they bring in millions.. And you can get it often. Lots of exposure.

Or your two favorite chefs are coming to Indianapolis, and they won't charge you an arm and a leg to taste their food. A classy move to give all their fans a taste of something different. And the people that like them just like the artist, take a veer off the beaten path.

That's what it's like for me.

[HomerMcvie]

It's like the difference of going to McDonalds. Yep they bring in millions.. And you can get it often. Lots of exposure.

Or your two favorite chefs are coming to Indianapolis, and they won't charge you an arm and a leg to taste their food. A classy move to give all their fans a taste of something different. And the people that like them just like the artist, take a veer off the beaten path.

That's what it's like for me.

Some people just can't understand that everything doesn't equate to money. When you've got plenty of money, but really want to create a work that you're proud of, money be damned. Go out and do a few shows, even if you only break even(or even lose a little). If you're worth 60 million, what is losing a million going to do to you, especially if you're fulfilling your own wishes? Some people just can't understand that...

If the Indy reference is me...Indy would be great(I'm an hour away), but Nashville would be the titties! I can walk(cocktail in hand) to every major venue in Nashville! No driving, no parking, no stuck in traffic....did I mention the cocktail? :lol:

[jbrownsjr]

Some people just can't understand that everything doesn't equate to money. When you've got plenty of money, but really want to create a work that you're proud of, money be damned. Go out and do a few shows, even if you only break even(or even lose a little). If you're worth 60 million, what is losing a million going to do to you, especially if you're fulfilling your own wishes? Some people just can't understand that...

If the Indy reference is me...Indy would be great(I'm an hour away), but Nashville would be the titties! I can walk(cocktail in hand) to every major venue in Nashville! No driving, no parking, no stuck in traffic....did I mention the cocktail? :lol:

It was just an example. But, have at it!

[Macfan4life]

Some people just can't understand that everything doesn't equate to money. When you've got plenty of money, but really want to create a work that you're proud of, money be damned. Go out and do a few shows, even if you only break even(or even lose a little). If you're worth 60 million, what is losing a million going to do to you, especially if you're fulfilling your own wishes? Some people just can't understand that...

If the Indy reference is me...Indy would be great(I'm an hour away), but Nashville would be the titties! I can walk(cocktail in hand) to every major venue in Nashville! No driving, no parking, no stuck in traffic....did I mention the cocktail? :lol:
In 2005 Bruce Springsteen did an acoustic small venues tour where he played to crowds at only 20% of what he could attact. Bruce did not care about the money but the quality of the product.
BTW....Yes you did mention the cocktail ;) You will be spinning your way down Nashville streets in Stevie shawls with one cocktail in hand :eek:

[bwboy]

i see this is hard for you to understand - they are NOT doing this for the money. if they don't care, why do you?

quantity is not always better than quality. remember when Nicks opened for Rod Stewart? remember how much her fans hated it and wished she'd never done it? she had a new album to promote and she was doing a shortened set with like zero songs from her new album (or maybe one song?). nobody got to hear her new songs. and her fans hated being among all the Rod fans.

so yeah your little proposition would completely beat the purpose for the tour in the first place. for both the fans and for Christine and Lindsey. if they cared about that, they would have just done Fleetwood Mac moldies tour and throw in one new song.

I'm not concerned about their finances, I wasn't even the one who brought it up. I did respond to to it, yes. Just a healthy discussion of ideas. Clearly, the idea of B/M going out on a double bill is an insane and offensive idea to their hardcore fans on this board, and should not even be discussed. Consider this blasphemous idea banished!

I wasn't here when Stevie toured with Rod, so I was not aware it didn't go over well. Seemed like a good idea to me, though. Perhaps that would have been a harbinger of people's feeling toward a B/M pairing with another act.

[Macfan4life]

I'm not concerned about their finances, I wasn't even the one who brought it up. I did respond to to it, yes. Just a healthy discussion of ideas. Clearly, the idea of B/M going out on a double bill is an insane and offensive idea to their hardcore fans on this board, and should not even be discussed. Consider this blasphemous idea banished!

I wasn't here when Stevie toured with Rod, so I was not aware it didn't go over well. Seemed like a good idea to me, though. Perhaps that would have been a harbinger of people's feeling toward a B/M pairing with another act.
IMHO Rod Stewart was so rude and arrogant to Stevie. He really is full of himself. The concert was billed as a double bill even though Stevie opened. It was stated that each would join each other during their gigs. Wrong! Rod NEVER joined Stevie on her stage yet Stevie had to come out and sing Rod Stewart songs during his set. They did play Leather and Lace a few times (only) but it was during HIS set. Rod had to read the words off a computer screen while singing with Stevie. It really showed the lack of interest he had in Stevie or her music. He thought he was too big of a star to come on stage with Stevie. Stevie was a trooper and carried on but I would love to hear what she really thinks.
When Stevie toured with Don Henley it was a double bill too. Don opened but Stevie joined him on stage and vice versa.

[bwboy]

Wow, thanks for the scoop. I had no idea there were any problems during their tour. And Rod even recorded Stand Back several years back! I saw a show a while back that aired them singing Young Turks together, and Stevie was singing and dancing with Rod's back up singers a bit, and it was a great performance, I have to say. It was fun seeing Stevie doing a kind of doo-wap thing.

Mick Fleetwood was on Bob Costas late night NBC show 30 plus years ago and he said the best performers he had ever seen live were Stevie Nicks and Rod Stewart, and for some reason that comment always stuck with me, so I thought it was interesting they ended up touring together years later. Anyway, sounds like Stevie and Chrissie Hynde are a much better fit.

I would love to see Stevie tour with Heart, if for no other reason than to maybe finally hear her sing on These Dreams with them! Plus I just think that would be a bad a$$ rock show.

[SisterNightroad]

I would love to see Stevie tour with Heart, if for no other reason than to maybe finally hear her sing on These Dreams with them! Plus I just think that would be a bad a$$ rock show.
That's not impossible actually, Stevie was friend with Ann and Nancy, hung out with them after shows and she and the girls even sang backup to their songs on some occasions.

[dreamsunwind]

That's not impossible actually, Stevie was friend with Ann and Nancy, hung out with them after shows and she and the girls even sang backup to their songs on some occasions.

Wasn't the last time she mentioned them not that long back and she was not so nice about their mention of her in their book? I don't even get why she was mad though.

[bwboy]

Thanks for the info, sisternightroad!. Nice to think it could be a possibility.

[SisterNightroad]

Wasn't the last time she mentioned them not that long back and she was not so nice about their mention of her in their book? I don't even get why she was mad though.
Oh yeah, I don't know for sure because I haven't read their book but I know that they talked about her drug and partying antics and knowing that Stevie has a concept of "mystique" about her life I guess she doesn't like others telling anectodes about her in their books; also I don't know if they asked her beforehand.

[dreamsunwind]

Oh yeah, I don't know for sure because I haven't read their book but I know that they talked about her drug and partying antics and knowing that Stevie has a concept of "mystique" about her life I guess she doesn't like others telling anectodes about her in their books; also I don't know if they asked her beforehand.

I read it and to be honest it was pretty funny. I don't think it was mean spirited. It was really short they said they were at her house and did drugs and tried on her shawls and they said the place was a shrine because she had pictures of herself everywhere and that they couldn't keep up with her drug use.

Nothing in it was really revealing it's not like her addictions/ego are a secret and it was sort of a bummer that she semi trashed them about it cause I like Heart lol.

[SisterNightroad]

I read it and to be honest it was pretty funny. I don't think it was mean spirited. It was really short they said they were at her house and did drugs and tried on her shawls and they said the place was a shrine because she had pictures of herself everywhere and that they couldn't keep up with her drug use.

Nothing in it was really revealing it's not like her addictions/ego are a secret and it was sort of a bummer that she semi trashed them about it cause I like Heart lol.
Oh, I'm sure there were surely many worse anecdotes, for example didn't Van Halen asked the Wilson sisters to participate in a foursome?
Also if I remember well Stevie wasn't the angrier one, John Mellencamp said pretty mean things to them.
I don't really think it was such a big deal, they all hung out together again for something around that time or after, so I guess they all just let it go?

[HomerMcvie]

they said the place was a shrine because she had pictures of herself everywhere

Now WHY am I not surprised by this revelation?:mad::mad::mad:



:lol::lol::lol:

[HomerMcvie]

BTW....Yes you did mention the cocktail ;) You will be spinning your way down Nashville streets in Stevie shawls with one cocktail in hand :eek:

I'm not sure there's enough vodka in the world for that to happen!:lol:

Maybe I could do the Lindsey Frankenstein guitar solo walk...:eek:

[jbrownsjr]

Now WHY am I not surprised by this revelation?:mad::mad::mad:



:lol::lol::lol:

meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[michelej1]

Btw, I know they're saying it's a duets album, but does that really mean every song is a duet? Or a majority? I can't believe EVERY song is a duet, hopefully there will be at least a few songs that will spotlight them individually.

I am sure it's not a duet album any more than the songs on FM albums are "trio" songs. They may trade lines on songs, as they are famous for doing on TAM, Hold Me and Don't Stop, but I expect them to play and sing background on many of each other's songs, not duet.

Michele

[HomerMcvie]

meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I love you, John Boy.:cool: