Unpopular Fleetwood Mac opinions

[Roxy]

All apologies if a thread like this already exists!
I feel like I'm one of the few people who actually loved Sweet Girl and Temporary One and would've loved to see them on Say You Will.

[Angel75]

All apologies if a thread like this already exists!
I feel like I'm one of the few people who actually loved Sweet Girl and Temporary One and would've loved to see them on Say You Will.

No I am with you and like them both... Lyrically especially.
Obviously without Christine Temporary One probably couldnt have been on Say You Will but Sweet Girl would have been a great swap for Silver Girl.

My unpopular opinion is despite the guitar genisness (is that a word?!) of this song which is love, I hate Big Love LIVE as the sexual grunting makes me cringe from a >65year old man. With it being LB's fav song to perform live I think we're stuck with it.....

[SteveMacD]

I like "Easy Come, Easy Go", and think it would have made a great Fleetwood Mac song.

[jbrownsjr]

I like "Easy Come, Easy Go", and think it would have made a great Fleetwood Mac song.

It's grown on me. I think the pacing is too slow. LB would have sped it up. The arrangement is really cool. Good job Christine.

[pattyfan]

Here is mine. I have never liked I'm So Afraid, especially live. The solo feels interminable. (ducks flying dishes...).

Kevin

[singertobe]

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion but based on the FM fanfics I've read I think it might be.:shrug:

I love Kristen. I think she's perfect for Lindsey and I really hate it when people say he only married her cuz of Will. I mean, can you imagine how that must make the poor kid feel? People really need to mind their own business when it comes to this type of stuff.

Oh, and I also love Kristen's interior design projects.

[jbrownsjr]

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion but based on the FM fanfics I've read I think it might be.:shrug:

I love Kristen. I think she's perfect for Lindsey and I really hate it when people say he only married her cuz of Will. I mean, can you imagine how that must make the poor kid feel? People really need to mind their own business when it comes to this type of stuff.

Oh, and I also love Kristen's interior design projects.

You have no idea how bad it got when we were invaded with shippers. It was like politics. They would take any scrap of evidence to prove a thesis that even they didn't really understand. And they would attack anyone that disagreed. Even band members, etc.

[singertobe]

You have no idea how bad it got when we were invaded with shippers. It was like politics. They would take any scrap of evidence to prove a thesis that even they didn't really understand. And they would attack anyone that disagreed. Even band members, etc.

Wow! Are they still on the site? I haven't seen them here but they seem to abound on wattpad:shrug:

[jbrownsjr]

Wow! Are they still on the site? I haven't seen them here but they seem to abound on wattpad:shrug:

They have moved on to shipping other people in other bands. It doesn't take much to distract them.

[singertobe]

Here's another one. I HATE the dress Stevie wore in the Live in Boston show. Both of them. In my honest opinion, I think they look SO unflattering. She would've looked much better in the dress she wore for the Dance. Speaking of which, why doesn't she wear that one anymore? Its gorgeous!

[louielouie2000]

Here's another one. I HATE the dress Stevie wore in the Live in Boston show. Both of them. In my honest opinion, I think they look SO unflattering. She would've looked much better in the dress she wore for the Dance. Speaking of which, why doesn't she wear that one anymore? Its gorgeous!

Ahh, the Italian Widow Dress & associated Granny Cardigan. Those were truly a low point for her personal style. :p

[singertobe]

Ahh, the Italian Widow Dress & associated Granny Cardigan. Those were truly a low point for her personal style. :p

I know right? What was she thinking?

[jbrownsjr]

Ahh, the Italian Widow Dress & associated Granny Cardigan. Those were truly a low point for her personal style. :p

I loved Christine's red outfit for the Dance. Beautiful

[JohnL]

I know right? What was she thinking?

Wasn't there an interview with Stevie somewhere saying that the dress and cardigan were part of a request from Lindsey for her to tone it down? Something about sharing the spotlight since it was just the two of them now. I swear I read that somewhere. That just isn't her style as we all know.

[dreamsunwind]

Wasn't there an interview with Stevie somewhere saying that the dress and cardigan were part of a request from Lindsey for her to tone it down? Something about sharing the spotlight since it was just the two of them now. I swear I read that somewhere. That just isn't her style as we all know.

She wore it outside of Fleetwood Mac too though. And idk it just seems weird to me that when they were in their 50s, then Lindsey decided to ask her to "tone it down".

[jbrownsjr]

She wore it outside of Fleetwood Mac too though. And idk it just seems weird to me that when they were in their 50s, then Lindsey decided to ask her to "tone it down".

It's always his fault. ;)

[HomerMcvie]

It's always his fault. ;)

Was there ever any doubt? Just axe Stevie...

[singertobe]

Wasn't there an interview with Stevie somewhere saying that the dress and cardigan were part of a request from Lindsey for her to tone it down? Something about sharing the spotlight since it was just the two of them now. I swear I read that somewhere. That just isn't her style as we all know.

She should've told Lindsey to... (finish it)

[louielouie2000]

I love Mystified. I think it's one of the most atmospheric songs Christine ever recorded.

[singertobe]

I love Mystified. I think it's one of the most atmospheric songs Christine ever recorded.

Oh that IS a good song

[jbrownsjr]

I love Mystified. I think it's one of the most atmospheric songs Christine ever recorded.

I can't shut it off, once it starts. :nod:

[Angel75]

Here is mine. I have never liked I'm So Afraid, especially live. The solo feels interminable. (ducks flying dishes...).

Kevin

I agree, have never liked it. I do try to enjoy it but I can't seem to make myself.

[Angel75]

I love Mystified. I think it's one of the most atmospheric songs Christine ever recorded.

LB and CM's harmonies at their very best. I love it too.

[michelej1]

She wore it outside of Fleetwood Mac too though. And idk it just seems weird to me that when they were in their 50s, then Lindsey decided to ask her to "tone it down".

She wore it to a presentation for Tom Petty, as well. That was her go to outfit, just like the peep shoulder top is her thing right now.

Yes, she said Lindsey told her to tone it down, but if you listen to her, he's been saying that since the seventies and she never did it.

[aleuzzi]

1. "Honey Hi" is not only one of the finest moments on Tusk but one of the finest moments in the band's history.

2. Kiln House, Then Play On, and Fleetwood Mac (1975) constitute the peak of the band's recorded music.

3. Time is not a bad record. It isn't amazing but more than half of the record is quite listenable and well-executed.

4. "Oh Daddy" is as iconic, in its own way, as "Rhiannon."

5. "Silver Springs" was rightly kept off Rumours and "I Don't Wanna Know" was a more suitable fit in the context of the record.

6. The new songs on The Dance, as well as those songs that got updated treatments, are the best of the show.

7. "Imperial Hotel" is by far and away the best song on Rock a Little.

[dreamsunwind]

Lindsey either needs to go back to the original speed of the song or the live in Boston speed which I really liked or just completely stop doing Never Going Back Again live. I hate this super super slowed down whisper thing he's doing with it, he's literally butchering his own classic.


Stevie has permanently damaged her voice so much sometimes it's hard to listen to certain performances. The endings of all the recent live Rhiannons make me cringe.

A lot of Christine's songs are boring live. Little Lies in particular does not translate well outside the studio, except for the chorus.

I think the reason a lot of Lindsey's longer solos borrow from each other is because although he is brilliant musically, he's not Clapton when it comes to soloing skills.

[jbrownsjr]

1. "Honey Hi" is not only one of the finest moments on Tusk but one of the finest moments in the band's history.

2. Kiln House, Then Play On, and Fleetwood Mac (1975) constitute the peak of the band's recorded music.

3. Time is not a bad record. It isn't amazing but more than half of the record is quite listenable and well-executed.

4. "Oh Daddy" is as iconic, in its own way, as "Rhiannon."

5. "Silver Springs" was rightly kept off Rumours and "I Don't Wanna Know" was a more suitable fit in the context of the record.

6. The new songs on The Dance, as well as those songs that got updated treatments, are the best of the show.

7. "Imperial Hotel" is by far and away the best song on Rock a Little.

I love Imperial Hotel! But Tony, I hate to see you this way.,

[jbrownsjr]

1. "Honey Hi" is not only one of the finest moments on Tusk but one of the finest moments in the band's history.

2. Kiln House, Then Play On, and Fleetwood Mac (1975) constitute the peak of the band's recorded music.

3. Time is not a bad record. It isn't amazing but more than half of the record is quite listenable and well-executed.

4. "Oh Daddy" is as iconic, in its own way, as "Rhiannon."

5. "Silver Springs" was rightly kept off Rumours and "I Don't Wanna Know" was a more suitable fit in the context of the record.

6. The new songs on The Dance, as well as those songs that got updated treatments, are the best of the show.

7. "Imperial Hotel" is by far and away the best song on Rock a Little.

I also love Some Become Strangers... great song!

[singertobe]

I prefer the demo version of Without You. I don't like the constant uh's and yeah's in the FM version.:sorry:

[jbrownsjr]

I prefer the demo version of Without You. I don't like the constant uh's and yeah's in the FM version.:sorry:

listening to it now! i love their voices on the demo!!

[WatchChain]

1. "Honey Hi" is not only one of the finest moments on Tusk but one of the finest moments in the band's history.

4. "Oh Daddy" is as iconic, in its own way, as "Rhiannon."

5. "Silver Springs" was rightly kept off Rumours and "I Don't Wanna Know" was a more suitable fit in the context of the record.


I love your analysis! I've always thought that the three part harmony vocals on "Honey Hi" are one of the top 5 moments in the band's entire catalog.

You analysis of "Oh Daddy" is equally true. There was an outtake from "Rumours" that featured a harmony vocal from Stevie on "Oh Daddy" that I though should have made the record.

"Rumours", in its original format, remains the PERFECT record and "I Don't Want To Know" fits perfectly within the context. I know it's not a popular opinion, BUT, "I Don't Want To Know" is a deliciously FUN song and it should be kept on "Rumours".

"Silver Springs" is an equally fantastic tune, but I think it would fit better on The White Album (1975).

[WatchChain]

UNPOPULAR OPINIONS-

"Tango In The Night" is the weakest album from the Buckingham/Nicks era of the band. "Mirage" is the most underrated Fleetwood Mac album.

This same lineup of the band has essentially produced a trilogy of near perfect albums:

1) Fleetwood Mac (1975)
2) Rumours (1977)
3) Tusk (1977)

All subsequent (post 1980) Fleetwood Mac albums have fallen short of living up to the artistic merit of this aforementioned trilogy. Try as they may, this band has been unable to recreate on record the creative magic that existed from 1975-1980.

[bwboy]

Behind the Mask is a great album. And Rick and Billy did a great job keeping the Mac going on tour. If nothing else, we got the absolutely beautiful song As Long As You Follow during that era, and that alone makes it all worthwhile!

[aleuzzi]

I also love Some Become Strangers... great song!

Yeah--it's the lesser-known songs that survive on that record.

[SteveMacD]

Behind the Mask is a great album. And Rick and Billy did a great job keeping the Mac going on tour. If nothing else, we got the absolutely beautiful song As Long As You Follow during that era, and that alone makes it all worthwhile!
I don't think Billy and Rick were necessarily the problem with that album. They certainly had better songs than what made the album. I think there was a decision to focus mainly on the girl at the expense of developing that lineup, which was problematic since their songs weren't strong enough to carry the album. The other issue was bad production. They should have gotten Ken to produce them. Here's what I think the track listing should have been:

Skies The Limit
Victim of Love
Intuition
Freedom
Save Me
In the Back of My Mind
--
Behind the Mask
Love is Dangerous
Do You Know
Ain't Got No Home
Affairs of the Heart
When the Sun Goes Down
Game of Love

[Roxy]

I've always thought Time was a better album than Behind The Mask. If you take away Dave Mason's songs and perhaps adjust the track listing, it'd be a perfect album to me.

[SteveMacD]

I've always thought Time was a better album than Behind The Mask. If you take away Dave Mason's songs and perhaps adjust the track listing, it'd be a perfect album to me.
I'd get behind that. I'd also pare down "Hollywood" and "Sooner or Later" which tend to drag on.

[Justin Reach]

Only Over You has become my favourite FM track of all time.

[Frankenstein]

Smile At You should have been on Mirage instead of Straight Back.

Only Over You is one of my favorite Christine songs.

Running Through The Garden is one of my favorites from SYW.

I thought the EP songs were great.

Stevie should have sung Crystal on the 1975 album instead of Lindsey.

I kind of miss Lindsey's weird stage antics.

Sara from the 1980 Live album puts me to sleep. There are much better performances of that song from that tour.

[sue]

I really do not like the version of "Big Love" Lindsey plays nowadays
in fact I'm not too keen on all of the acoustic section that he does, live..

[singertobe]

I don't know if this counts as an FM opinion, but I can't stand the studio version of Love Is. I feel like all the emotion is taken out of the song:shrug:

[jbrownsjr]

I hate Landslide live.
I love the long version of Not That Funny
I'm glad Silver Springs was left off of Rumours. IDWK is a great song.
Stevie singing Crystal is like nails on a chalkboard.
Stevie should never sit at the piano and sing.
Stevie's songs on SYW were pretty damn good. sans Silver Girl, Destiny's Child
In the Meantime is a gem.

[GypsySorcerer]

Here's another one. I HATE the dress Stevie wore in the Live in Boston show. Both of them. In my honest opinion, I think they look SO unflattering. She would've looked much better in the dress she wore for the Dance. Speaking of which, why doesn't she wear that one anymore? Its gorgeous!

I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. Yikes, that look was horrid, with the Reeblechs and all.:distress:

[Roxy]

I wish Danny Kirwan would've stayed in the band for a bit longer. At least until the release of Mystery To Me or Heroes Are Hard to Find.

[Macfan4life]

UNPOPULAR OPINIONS-

"Tango In The Night" is the weakest album from the Buckingham/Nicks era of the band. "Mirage" is the most underrated Fleetwood Mac album.

This same lineup of the band has essentially produced a trilogy of near perfect albums:

1) Fleetwood Mac (1975)
2) Rumours (1977)
3) Tusk (1977)

All subsequent (post 1980) Fleetwood Mac albums have fallen short of living up to the artistic merit of this aforementioned trilogy. Try as they may, this band has been unable to recreate on record the creative magic that existed from 1975-1980.
We are on the same page. Tango is a Lindsey Buckingham solo album with guest appearances by Christine, Mick, Stevie, and John. Very little if any of that music holds up today. I also agree that Mirage is so underrated.

[jbrownsjr]

We are on the same page. Tango is a Lindsey Buckingham solo album with guest appearances by Christine, Mick, Stevie, and John. Very little if any of that music holds up today. I also agree that Mirage is so underrated.

No way.. Christine had Little Lies, Everywhere, Isn't It Midnight, You And I, Mystified... she was huge on that album... way more than an appearance.

I listen to her demos and her stuff was brilliant.

[Macfan4life]

We are on the same page. Tango is a Lindsey Buckingham solo album with guest appearances by Christine, Mick, Stevie, and John. Very little if any of that music holds up today. I also agree that Mirage is so underrated.
Isn't that why its an unpopular opinion? I am taking part in the thread. Its funny because most of the comments are people commenting on other people's comments but don't give their unpopular opinions :eek:
And I read some doozies :eek:
P.S. Liking the song Welcome to the Room Sara should have banned you from ever becoming a moderator :eek:
This is a dream, right?

[Fleetwood Jack]

So, now that you've all mentioned your unpopular opinions I feel I have a duty to bring my most unpopular and unattractive opinions to light.

O.K., so here goes:

(Dramatic Pause)

1.) "Tango In The Night" is my favorite Fleetwood Mac album. I just love it because of the spacey, ethereal sound, and honestly I think the cover perfectly matches the tone.

2.) My top 3 Fleetwood Mac albums, in order are, "Tango In The Night", "Tusk" and "Say You Will".

3.) When people quote lesser known Stevie Nicks solo songs I pretend to act like I know what they mean. I know this isn't good and I do eventually look up the lyrics, but it's because Stevie Nicks' lyrics are so wordy that I tend to not know which song is being quoted. It also doesn't help that there are A TON of demos and B-Sides floating around out there.

4.) I, with no irony at all, actually really enjoy Lindsey Buckingham's first two solo records. I'll admit "Go Insane" is incredibly stronger than "Law and Order", but I just love "Law and Order". (Although the puzzling cover art makes it pretty awkward to look at)

And this last one, I could potentially get kicked off of The Ledge for.

I don't know if I'm ready.

5.) I actually really, really like "Family Man". I know, I know!! But, before you throw your shoes at me, I just really like the unique sound of it. I think the chorus is one of the best choruses on "Tango In The Night", and Lindsey's flamenco picking thingy is brilliant. Trust me, I don't think the lyrics are that deep and introspective, and compared to Lindsey Buckingham's other songs it is a tad bit weaker; it's no "Seeds We Sew". But I think for one of the simpler moments on "Tango In The Night" it's really quite good.

[jbrownsjr]

Isn't that why its an unpopular opinion? I am taking part in the thread. Its funny because most of the comments are people commenting on other people's comments but don't give their unpopular opinions :eek:
And I read some doozies :eek:
P.S. Liking the song Welcome to the Room Sara should have banned you from ever becoming a moderator :eek:
This is a dream, right?

Deja Vu!! did I come here, on my own... lol

[Macfan4life]

Lindsey is more about arrangements, production and music than he is about lyrics. Having said that, his contributions to Tango are his worst written songs in his career. I am talking about the lyrics. Overly simplistic.....even for him. I cant write but I could have written better songs.
Big Love - horrible
Family Man - worse
Caroline - cagey, ragey worst of all time

[jbrownsjr]

Lindsey is more about arrangements, production and music than he is about lyrics. Having said that, his contributions to Tango are his worst written songs in his career. I am talking about the lyrics. Overly simplistic.....even for him. I cant write but I could have written better songs.
Big Love - horrible
Family Man - worse
Caroline - cagey, ragey worst of all time

Keeeeeeeeeps youuuuuuuuuuu runnnninnnnnnn

[bombaysaffires]

4.) I, with no irony at all, actually really enjoy Lindsey Buckingham's first two solo records. I'll admit "Go Insane" is incredibly stronger than "Law and Order", but I just love "Law and Order". (Although the puzzling cover art makes it pretty awkward to look at)

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so at the risk of doing exactly what people have pointed out, that is, commenting and rebutting others' unpopular opinions.....

I gotta ask what is so puzzling about the cover of Law and Order? It's a gorgeous picture of a gorgeous man shot by a famed old Hollywood photog in the style of B&W celeb photos of the 1940s..

Shows off how stunningly beautiful he was. Not puzzling to me. :shrug:

[SisterNightroad]

There was already another thread that was also pretty recent with this same title here: http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?p=1185254&highlight=unpopular#post1185254

However I still have the same single unpopular opinion that the 1975 white album is slightly superior to Tusk.

[FuzzyPlum]

4.) I, with no irony at all, actually really enjoy Lindsey Buckingham's first two solo records. I'll admit "Go Insane" is incredibly stronger than "Law and Order", but I just love "Law and Order". (Although the puzzling cover art makes it pretty awkward to look at)


It's a picture that was taken during a session with famed Hollywood photographer George Hurrell. I'm pretty sure it was deliberately created as a homage to his iconic image of Johnny Weissmuller. I reckon it's got something to do with the swimming connection. Anyway, I certainly don't find it awkward to look at. Indeed, as a heterosexual male I find it a very striking picture (though I appreciate this is an unpopular opinion thread).

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTYwNDIyMTYxMl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwOTAzNjI2._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg
http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/15250544/aview/lindsey_buckingham_gr_as_weissmuller_sm.jpg

Edit: PS, that's a really annoying little pimple!

[dreamsunwind]

so at the risk of doing exactly what people have pointed out, that is, commenting and rebutting others' unpopular opinions.....

I gotta ask what is so puzzling about the cover of Law and Order? It's a gorgeous picture of a gorgeous man shot by a famed old Hollywood photog in the style of B&W celeb photos of the 1940s..

Shows off how stunningly beautiful he was. Not puzzling to me. :shrug:

It's a gorgeous photo but I don't really love it either. It's kinda "mannequin". In general, 1981/1982 was the period I think Lindsey was least handsome. I think he was most druggy/drinky around then because he always looked kinda bloated and strung out. Thankfully he got himself sorted out and gorgeous again.

[michelej1]

I find Lindsey attractive, in general. Indeed, I swoon over the Seven Wonders video. Think the Mirage NTF whispering is mega sexy. Yet, I find that album cover embarrassing and don't appreciate the exhibitionism. Yes, I think it's awkward and I don't expect it of him. If it was Prince, I would give it a thumbs up, but not what I want from LB.

Still, I haven't lost sleep over it either.

Michele

[aleuzzi]

It's a gorgeous photo but I don't really love it either. It's kinda "mannequin". In general, 1981/1982 was the period I think Lindsey was least handsome. I think he was most druggy/drinky around then because he always looked kinda bloated and strung out. Thankfully he got himself sorted out and gorgeous again.

Your mannequin observation is on point and, I believe, intentional. So much of that record is sonically about the plasticity of art. The music itself is wrapped in a bright, confectionary package. There are times when I listen to that record and feel as though I'm walking through a hall of mirrors somewhere at Coney Island. It's got that oddball, throwback feel. I personally love LAW AND ORDER and think the visual art to be quite apt.

[aleuzzi]

I'll add another unpopular opinion:

I think "Love Shines" and "Heart of Stone" are stronger and truer to the heart of the Mac spirit than anything on TANGO.

[dreamsunwind]

Your mannequin observation is on point and, I believe, intentional. So much of that record is sonically about the plasticity of art. The music itself is wrapped in a bright, confectionary package. There are times when I listen to that record and feel as though I'm walking through a hall of mirrors somewhere at Coney Island. It's got that oddball, throwback feel. I personally love LAW AND ORDER and think the visual art to be quite apt.

That's a really good way to put it, the Coney Island comparison. It's not my favorite of his albums but I can appreciate the brilliance. It's like 1950s on steroids, turned upside down.

[Fleetwood Jack]

so at the risk of doing exactly what people have pointed out, that is, commenting and rebutting others' unpopular opinions.....

I gotta ask what is so puzzling about the cover of Law and Order? It's a gorgeous picture of a gorgeous man shot by a famed old Hollywood photog in the style of B&W celeb photos of the 1940s..

Shows off how stunningly beautiful he was. Not puzzling to me. :shrug:


Sorry, I don't think I worded that real great. Please allow me to explain,

You see me and my family are all pretty big Fleetwood Mac fans, so we have like this thing where we kind of like lovingly make fun of each album and/or song even though we may love the album or song. Personally I think it's a striking, and bold move for a cover; and even though I'm straight I do think Lindsey Buckingham does look really good on the cover and it is a really beautiful photo. I was just keeping with our running joke. We have like kind of a weird/odd sense of humor for some reason, so I can see where I worded it equally as odd.

Anyway, I hope this clears up anything! And what do you think of the songs on "Law and Order"? Personally I love them for how weird and off the wall they are, but I'm curious as to what you think.

[michelej1]

Your mannequin observation is on point and, I believe, intentional. So much of that record is sonically about the plasticity of art. The music itself is wrapped in a bright, confectionary package. There are times when I listen to that record and feel as though I'm walking through a hall of mirrors somewhere at Coney Island. It's got that oddball, throwback feel. I personally love LAW AND ORDER and think the visual art to be quite apt.

Yes, I do think the cover is in keeping with the That's How We Do It In L.A. idea. Surface gloss. Movie Star patina. Survey says, ding, ding, ding. There's a certain flash and furor masking what is going on underneath.

Michele

[HomerMcvie]

what do you think of the songs on "Law and Order"? Personally I love them for how weird and off the wall they are, but I'm curious as to what you think.

Law and Order is hands down my favorite LB album, and one of my all time favorite albums. It's like an good acid trip.

[louielouie2000]

Only Over You has become my favourite FM track of all time.

Only Over You is one of my favorite Christine songs.

I'm so glad to see there are others who enjoy this song! It has always gotten so much hate here.

I'm not sure if this is unpopular or not, but I generally think Lindsey's solo material is better than his FM material.

[Macfan4life]

I'm so glad to see there are others who enjoy this song! It has always gotten so much hate here.

I'm not sure if this is unpopular or not, but I generally think Lindsey's solo material is better than his FM material.
I agree. Only Over You is almost the perfect Fleetwood Mac song. Christine is falling over backwards in love but the song also has a bluesy feel. The music is also outstanding. Lindsey plays a wicked guitar at the end and the groove is out of this world. Only Over You was buried on an extremely underrated album last song first side. Its a pure gem. It confuses me for someone to hate the song but like Fleetwood Mac. The song underscores everything right about Fleetwood Mac.

[aleuzzi]

I'm not sure if this is unpopular or not, but I generally think Lindsey's solo material is better than his FM material.

I wholeheartedly agree. Nothing on Mirage or Tango competes with Law and Order or Go Insane.

And his work on SYW, while full of substance, is still not as engaging to me as the three studio albums that followed it.

[KenB]

Law and Order is hands down my favorite LB album, and one of my all time favorite albums. It's like an good acid trip.

Same here. It's my second favorite LB album, after Out of the Cradle.

My unpopular Fleetwood Mac opinion is that I don't care for the 1975 white album -- with the exception of maybe three songs.

[singertobe]

I don't think Carol Ann Harris was a bad person or just a Stevie replacement. I think she and Lindsey definitely shared something together and I do think he loved her and wasn't just trying to get back at Stevie.

[louielouie2000]

My unpopular Fleetwood Mac opinion is that I don't care for the 1975 white album -- with the exception of maybe three songs.

I agree. I find that album to be completely boring. It's by far the FM album I listen to the least.

[jbrownsjr]

I agree. I find that album to be completely boring. It's by far the FM album I listen to the least.

Not liking the White Album is grounds for being banned. ;)
Don't you know the rules?

[dreamsunwind]

Forget Rumours, forget Tusk, forget the White Album, their best album to listen to is actually Mystery to Me since we're practically in 1973 right now.

[24karatstevie]

Sugar Daddy is one of my all-time favorite Chris songs, while Don't Stop is probably one of my least favorites. Sugar Daddy is just one of those songs that makes me wanna dance every time I hear it. I love beat and lyrics (while silly) are fun. Don't Stop is one of my least favorites from Rumours and I would even put Oh Daddy above it.

[elle]

Not liking the White Album is grounds for being banned. ;)
Don't you know the rules?

:laugh: can't wait to assert your newly bestowed powers i see?! :xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

My unpopular Fleetwood Mac opinion is that I don't care for the 1975 white album -- with the exception of maybe three songs.

It sounds dated, whereas Rumours and Tusk still sound fresh.

[HomerMcvie]

Sugar Daddy is one of my all-time favorite Chris songs, while Don't Stop is probably one of my least favorites. Sugar Daddy is just one of those songs that makes me wanna dance every time I hear it. I love beat and lyrics (while silly) are fun. Don't Stop is one of my least favorites from Rumours and I would even put Oh Daddy above it.

Amen. I will never understand the hate that Sugar Daddy gets. I love everything about it! It's perfekt!

[HomerMcvie]

:laugh: can't wait to assert your newly bestowed powers i see?! :xoxo:

Nancy Jean got a promotion? How the hell did that happen?

[AlexD]

The Say You Will era would've been their best era if Christine had been there. The set lists were great and the concerts were probably more exciting than the ones from 1997.

[Ench]

Say You Will was FM's best album since Rumours.

Think About Me is Christine's best ever FM song.

Lindsey has released the best solo albums by some margin.

Gypsy sounds too much like Sara

None of Stevie's producers can make her songs sound as good as Lyndsey does, though Dave Stewart isn't too far off.

Dan Perfect did really good work on "In the Meantime" and Christine should work with him again. "Friend" is Chris's best solo song, ever.

[WatchChain]

I don't think Carol Ann Harris was a bad person or just a Stevie replacement. I think she and Lindsey definitely shared something together and I do think he loved her and wasn't just trying to get back at Stevie.

I couldn't agree more. I'm quite sure that by 1979/80, Lindsey Buckingham was not only very much "over" Stevie, but considered her antics to be quite ridiculous.

[jbrownsjr]

I couldn't agree more. I'm quite sure that by 1979/80, Lindsey Buckingham was not only very much "over" Stevie, but considered her antics to be quite ridiculous.

Currently, also.

[HomerMcvie]

I couldn't agree more. I'm quite sure that by 1979/80, Lindsey Buckingham was not only very much "over" Stevie, but considered her antics to be quite ridiculous.

That entire group is growing exponentially!

[jbrownsjr]

That entire group is growing exponentially!

Yeah, when they started in on his wife.. and how he really loved Stevie..
blahhh the whole creepy factor set in..

[aleuzzi]

The Say You Will era would've been their best era if Christine had been there. The set lists were great and the concerts were probably more exciting than the ones from 1997.

In fairness, the set lists might not have been as adventurous had she been there. I am a HUGE Christine fan, but she has so many hits that every time she steps to the mic it's a run-through of their radio songs. I would have LOVED her on SYW, especially since her ITM album was so intriguing to me. "Friend," "Bad Loser," "Anything is Possible," "Giving it Back" and "Forgiveness" would have sounded dynamite alongside the Buckingham-Nicks material.

At the same time, I was so pleased with ITM that I'm glad I got to hear 12 songs (14 if you count the acoustic Friend and Come Out to Play).

[Peestie]

1 - I've never been a fan of Christine's singing live. She has always sounded pitchy to my ears, even back in the late 70s and early 80s.

1b - The pitch correction used on The Dance for Christine on Everywhere (I think...) ruins it. Why do it when most of the rest of the album sounds like it was rerecorded anyway?

2 - In the studio, I'd rather hear Lindsey and Christine sing harmonies than LB/SN or CM/SN.

3 - Everyone single one of Lindsey solo albums is better than every Fleetwood Mac album except Then Play On, Rumours, Tusk and Say You Will.

4 - Say You Will is Stevie's best collection of songs overall on any Mac album (maybe tied with Tusk).

[jmn3]

1. 1975+>pre-1975
2. Lindsey's solo work stinks with the rare exception here and there
3. There is a fairly good reason that Rumours dominates their setlists, it's, by far, their best collection of work as a band
4. I love Tusk, but some of Tusk stinks
5. The Rick and Billy live years make me cringe "Are we havin' fun yet!?"
6. Yeah, Lindsey probably would have said that to Bob Dylan
7. Stevie, like most old people, has become more and more irritating as the years have gone on
8. Not That Funny is simply not that good...and while at least we were spared the 13 minute spectacle in 2013, he had other "Tusk" options that would have been much, much, better
9. Lindsey's voice is terrible in concert for at least the last 8 years....it is painful hearing him croak out GYOW with the lowered key and plodding tempo
10. Sometimes the fans of this band turn me off more than even the band's ridiculous personalities and drama....how grown adults can carry on about Stevie and Lindsey's ridiculous relationship and "ship" them is beyond me - they dated for what, 5 years, 40+ years ago?

[elle]

Say You Will was FM's best album since Rumours.

Think About Me is Christine's best ever FM song.

Lindsey has released the best solo albums by some margin.

Gypsy sounds too much like Sara


2 - In the studio, I'd rather hear Lindsey and Christine sing harmonies than LB/SN or CM/SN.

3 - Everyone single one of Lindsey solo albums is better than every Fleetwood Mac album except Then Play On, Rumours, Tusk and Say You Will.

agree on Say You Will being up there on FM albums - and it's definitely unpopular opinion!

also agree on Lindsey's solo albums being the best of all their solo albums by far, also unpopular. possibly because many FM fans never bothered to listen a lot of his solo stuff. but i would put some of his solo albums above almost any FM album (Cradle and Seeds for example). i think SYW has some of his great solo stuff on it, but solo GOS and UTS have other parts of that whole.

[aleuzzi]

1 - I've never been a fan of Christine's singing live. She has always sounded pitchy to my ears, even back in the late 70s and early 80s....

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I can totally see this. She sounded fantastic live from 1973-76. Rarely is there a live show or soundboard from this era where she doesn't sound terrific. But excessive touring, drugs, and the fact that her lovely soft voice doesn't translate easily to an area setting makes her live performances less, shall I say, perfect?

When she's off pitch, she can sound awful. Her "Songbird" on the Tusk Doc is cringeworthy, as is the live "Over and Over" version used on the 1980 live album. She was similarly in rough shape for the Mirage tour--if the HBO special is anything to go on (though I have heard very good live versions of "Hold Me" and "Brown Eyes" from 1982 shows).

But for the Tango tour she sounds very strong. And she was in pretty good form for her solo tour in 1984. YMLF from The Dance is amazeballs. But overall, even when she is in tune or in pitch, her performances live do not electricfy as the other two's songs sometimes do.

[HomerMcvie]

6. Yeah, Lindsey probably would have said that to Bob Dylan
7. Stevie, like most old people, has become more and more irritating as the years have gone on
8. Not That Funny is simply not that good...and while at least we were spared the 13 minute spectacle in 2013, he had other "Tusk" options that would have been much, much, better
9. Lindsey's voice is terrible in concert for at least the last 8 years....it is painful hearing him croak out GYOW with the lowered key and plodding tempo
10. Sometimes the fans of this band turn me off more than even the band's ridiculous personalities and drama....how grown adults can carry on about Stevie and Lindsey's ridiculous relationship and "ship" them is beyond me - they dated for what, 5 years, 40+ years ago?

6. Yeah, he probably would have.
7. Agreed. I hope she realizes it. She drones on and on, all about her own world. Complete narcissist.
8. I would show friends in high school the Mirage concert, and they would cringe and make me turn it off, when NTF came on. TRULY an embarrassment, with all that screaming.
9. It is so bad now. I really feel for him, because he's giving it all he has, but it's just not there now. Stevie learned years ago to hide behind the backup singers. Last time I saw them, Lindsey was pretty much singing ONLY the verses, and letting "the girls"(NOT Chris and Stevie) sing the choruses.
I hope they DO pull the plug in the next 3-5 years. Because the time is coming(or already past).
10. People think that I hate Stevie... And while she is my least favorite member, it's really because of the fanbase that she has, and the shipper community. They're (IMO) f*cking ridiculous, and I LOATHE them far far more than my small disdain for Stevie. Unicorn farts and all.

[FuzzyPlum]

1. 1975+>pre-1975
2. Lindsey's solo work stinks with the rare exception here and there
3. There is a fairly good reason that Rumours dominates their setlists, it's, by far, their best collection of work as a band
4. I love Tusk, but some of Tusk stinks
5. The Rick and Billy live years make me cringe "Are we havin' fun yet!?"
6. Yeah, Lindsey probably would have said that to Bob Dylan
7. Stevie, like most old people, has become more and more irritating as the years have gone on
8. Not That Funny is simply not that good...and while at least we were spared the 13 minute spectacle in 2013, he had other "Tusk" options that would have been much, much, better
9. Lindsey's voice is terrible in concert for at least the last 8 years....it is painful hearing him croak out GYOW with the lowered key and plodding tempo
10. Sometimes the fans of this band turn me off more than even the band's ridiculous personalities and drama....how grown adults can carry on about Stevie and Lindsey's ridiculous relationship and "ship" them is beyond me - they dated for what, 5 years, 40+ years ago?


Unpopular opinions...I can only believe the vast majority would agree with the vast majority of what you write. Either that or we are a meeting of minds!

[jmn3]

Unpopular opinions...I can only believe the vast majority would agree with the vast majority of what you write. Either that or we are a meeting of minds!

Haha...all depends on which segment of the FM fandom you asked I suppose! I'm sure my #10 could get me castrated by some...

[jbrownsjr]

Haha...all depends on which segment of the FM fandom you asked I suppose! I'm sure my #10 could get me castrated by some...

Not by me. It got creepy here for a while. It was like an obsession of an agenda. The castration happened when you disagreed. And when Christine came back, all hell broke loose. lol

[HomerMcvie]

Not by me. It got creepy here for a while. It was like an obsession of an agenda. The castration happened when you disagreed. And when Christine came back, all hell broke loose. lol

But the scale has tipped the other way now.:angel:

[michelej1]

To me, shipping is good. I loved it. I just didn't like the ultra-sensitivity and anger that developed when people did not agree. Michele

[jbrownsjr]

To me, shipping is good. I loved it. I just didn't like the ultra-sensitivity and anger that developed when people did not agree. Michele

Yes, it was like Nurse Ratched and One flew Over the Cuckoo's nest.

Nurse Ratched would play B/N to all the patients whether they wanted to hear it or not. And if you liked Kristen, Carol, or Christine you got the lobotomy while listening to Sad Angel. ;)

[dreamsunwind]

Yes, it was like Nurse Ratched and One flew Over the Cuckoo's nest.

The only book to movie adaptation where the movie somehow (imo) ended up better than book. Probably because of JN.

[FuzzyPlum]

The only book to movie adaptation where the movie somehow (imo) ended up better than book. Probably because of JN.


The Godfather???

[dreamsunwind]

The Godfather???

Oh, I've never read the book so I can't compare. But you're probably right.

[jbrownsjr]

The only book to movie adaptation where the movie somehow (imo) ended up better than book. Probably because of JN.

We could re-shoot it with shippers! lol

[singertobe]

1. 1975+>pre-1975
2. Lindsey's solo work stinks with the rare exception here and there
3. There is a fairly good reason that Rumours dominates their setlists, it's, by far, their best collection of work as a band
4. I love Tusk, but some of Tusk stinks
5. The Rick and Billy live years make me cringe "Are we havin' fun yet!?"
6. Yeah, Lindsey probably would have said that to Bob Dylan
7. Stevie, like most old people, has become more and more irritating as the years have gone on
8. Not That Funny is simply not that good...and while at least we were spared the 13 minute spectacle in 2013, he had other "Tusk" options that would have been much, much, better
9. Lindsey's voice is terrible in concert for at least the last 8 years....it is painful hearing him croak out GYOW with the lowered key and plodding tempo
10. Sometimes the fans of this band turn me off more than even the band's ridiculous personalities and drama....how grown adults can carry on about Stevie and Lindsey's ridiculous relationship and "ship" them is beyond me - they dated for what, 5 years, 40+ years ago?

To be fair some of those fanfics are interesting. But at the end of the day, yes, please get over it

[Dreamz19]

I love Only Over You, Family Man, Empire State and When I See You Again.

I think Seven Wonders is a fine song, but its not a favorite of mine.

I actually prefer the album version of Oh Daddy over the demo that features Stevie vocals more prominently.

I really liked the Time album.

I'm beyond tired of Landslide.

Lindsey sang Crystal better than Stevie.

I like the Bob Welch era of FM even more than the Peter Green era.

I rank Tango and SYW over the White Album and Mirage. :sorry: I like both the White Album and Mirage, but I listen to them the least.

[dreamsunwind]

Lindsey sang Crystal better than Stevie.


Same! The BN version especially the live performances are >>>> to every other version, I can't when people say that the Practical Magic one is the best.

[aleuzzi]

I actually prefer the album version of Oh Daddy over the demo that features Stevie vocals more prominently.
.

Same here. All the way.

In fact, as much as I enjoy the outtakes and alternative versions, the band made the right choice with the versions they used. The one exception for me is "Second Hand News." I prefer the bass line used on the earlier take.

[Moz]

How's this for a potentially unpopular opinion: Oh Daddy is one of their best songs. Why so many people dislike that song is beyond me.

[Aussie W/Heart]

How's this for a potentially unpopular opinion: Oh Daddy is one of their best songs. Why so many people dislike that song is beyond me.

I agree, Oh Daddy was one of my top favorites after listening to Rumours for the first time in 77 :thumbsup:

[aleuzzi]

Wow! All this love for "Oh Daddy"! So pleased! It's one of my favorite somgs and is, in its own way, as iconic as "Rhiannon."

[louielouie2000]

I'm throwing in my love for Oh Daddy as well. It will always be one of my favorite Christine songs. So atmospheric & moody.

[Dr.Brown]

I would much rather listen to Sugar Daddy than Oh Daddy. Sugar Daddy is cute, mindless fun in the same vein as Just Crazy Love, whereas Oh Daddy is such a depressing dirge.

[HomerMcvie]

I would much rather listen to Sugar Daddy than Oh Daddy. Sugar Daddy is cute, mindless fun in the same vein as Just Crazy Love, whereas Oh Daddy is such a depressing dirge.

I agree completely.

Know why Sugar Daddy and Think About Me are favorites? THE BEAT. They're fun, and rocking.

I can only take so much sludge...Oh Daddy, Warm Ways, Storms, Beautiful Child....SLUDGE. Percy Sludge! Gimme a GD BEAT!!!

[Dreamz19]

Same! The BN version especially the live performances are >>>> to every other version, I can't when people say that the Practical Magic one is the best.

Yup! His voice makes the song for me.

Same here. All the way.

In fact, as much as I enjoy the outtakes and alternative versions, the band made the right choice with the versions they used. The one exception for me is "Second Hand News." I prefer the bass line used on the earlier take.

I totally agree with this. I love many of the outtakes and alternative versions, but they choose the final versions perfectly.

[Dreamz19]

How's this for a potentially unpopular opinion: Oh Daddy is one of their best songs. Why so many people dislike that song is beyond me.

I'm always puzzled by the "Oh Daddy" dislike myself. It's one of my favorite Christine songs.

[jbrownsjr]

I love Oh Daddy! It's atmospheric and haunting. I have the instrumental and she hits that piano so hard on the low D. uhhhhh it goes right thru me.

[GypsySorcerer]

Lindsey sang Crystal better than Stevie.



Absolutely. I like her version the least.

And count me in as a fan of "Oh Daddy." "If there's been a fool around, it's got to be me..." :thumbsup:

[jbrownsjr]

Absolutely. I like her version the least.

And count me in as a fan of "Oh Daddy." "If there's been a fool around, it's got to be me..." :thumbsup:

..........and I can't walk away from you.. baby, if I tried...

[vivfox]

On Rumours, Songbird and Oh Daddy should have been removed and replaced with Silver Springs. Not having a Buckingham track on side 2 of Rumours was ridiculous.

[Macfan4life]

On Rumours, Songbird and Oh Daddy should have been removed and replaced with Silver Springs. Not having a Buckingham track on side 2 of Rumours was ridiculous.
Not only NO but h*** NO
If you were going to fit Silver Springs on Rumours - I don't want to know and Never going back again should have been removed.

[michelej1]

I agree completely.

Know why Sugar Daddy and Think About Me are favorites? THE BEAT. They're fun, and rocking.

I wasn't aware that Sugar Daddy had a beat, but I agree with you on Think About Me.

Michele

[michelej1]

I'm always puzzled by the "Oh Daddy" dislike myself. It's one of my favorite Christine songs.

The minutes and hours that dreary song has taken out of my life. When I lay dying, I will mourn them.

Michele

[michelej1]

How's this for a potentially unpopular opinion: Oh Daddy is one of their best songs. Why so many people dislike that song is beyond me.

Well, Mick says it's one of his favorites, so I guess that makes up for something.

Michele

[aleuzzi]

On Rumours, Songbird and Oh Daddy should have been removed and replaced with Silver Springs. Not having a Buckingham track on side 2 of Rumours was ridiculous.

Egads, Batman!

Not a chance!

Oh, but here's a very unpopular opinion: as good as Silver Springs is on paper, Stevie's vocal on the original studio version is weak. The band made the RIGHT choice to go with IDWK because an upbeat duet with LB's vocals fit better into the running order.

The Dance version of Silver Springs is excellent, a classic, in fact, miles better than the original.

[jbrownsjr]

Chiffons are way more annoying than Stevie. Which is a feat in and of itself.
Warm Ways is a beautiful song.
Stevie should have had more songs on the White Album
I am not crazy about Blue Letter.

[louielouie2000]

Oh, but here's a very unpopular opinion: as good as Silver Springs is on paper, Stevie's vocal on the original studio version is weak. The band made the RIGHT choice to go with IDWK because an upbeat duet with LB's vocals fit better into the running order.

The Dance version of Silver Springs is excellent, a classic, in fact, miles better than the original.

I concur that Stevie's vocal on the original Silver Springs was weak. It has always sounded like a rough outtake to my ears versus a fully fleshed and completed vocal. Especially when you compare it to her songs that did make the cut... Dreams & Gold Dust Woman most notably. Those vocals were fat & juicy. Silver Springs was thin & reedy.

But yes, the Dance version is a force of nature. It was perhaps the last passionate recorded vocal of Stevie's career.

[HomerMcvie]

I wasn't aware that Sugar Daddy had a beat, but I agree with you on Think About Me.

Michele

Trust me. Sugar Daddy had a beat, and a damned good one. I'll never understand the hate SD gets. I love that damned song. It makes every greatest hits cd I've EVER made.

[vivfox]

Chiffons are way more annoying than Stevie. Which is a feat in and of itself.
Warm Ways is a beautiful song.
Stevie should have had more songs on the White Album
I am not crazy about Blue Letter.

That quote made me lose all respect for you as a Moderator, and you just started. IMHO a Mod should remain neutral to all group members despite their own personal opinions. That quote shows half the fan base they will not be able to count on you to defend them in a silly internet argument.

[elle]

That quote made me lose all respect for you as a Moderator, and you just started. IMHO a Mod should remain neutral to all group members despite their own personal opinions. That quote shows half the fan base they will not be able to count on you to defend them in a silly internet argument.
food for thought: as a LB fan, i've seen some great mods who made sure to be balanced. but i've also seen some who can't help themselves not to be and are clearly showing their preferences and misgivings toward either board members or band members. i've seen some of them working hard not to though.

just because John is upfront in what he thinks, doesn't mean he won't be balanced as a mod, but it also depends on which board you are moderating: if you are Stevie board mod, i think it makes all the sense that you prefer her. if you are Lindsey or Chris board mod, it makes sense you prefer them.

just my 0.02.

[jbrownsjr]

That quote made me lose all respect for you as a Moderator, and you just started. IMHO a Mod should remain neutral to all group members despite their own personal opinions. That quote shows half the fan base they will not be able to count on you to defend them in a silly internet argument.

1. It's "unpopular opinion" and I'm playing along and I didn't attack anyone personally. I read so many other comments about the BuckVie album and the bitterness annoys me.
2. I'll defend anyone that gets attacked personally you can be sure of that.

As for your respect, I can't control that, nor will it stop me from giving my opinion. If I find something annoying, I'm still entitled to write it. And if that annoys you, you can express it as well. I won't lose respect for you, just disagree.

I also find New England Pats fans annoying, too. Well, today anyway.

[HomerMcvie]

Honk if you love Nancy Jean!:xoxo:


:D

[SisterNightroad]

food for thought: as a LB fan, i've seen some great mods who made sure to be balanced. but i've also seen some who can't help themselves not to be and are clearly showing their preferences and misgivings toward either board members or band members. i've seen some of them working hard not to though.

just because John is upfront in what he thinks, doesn't mean he won't be balanced as a mod, but it also depends on which board you are moderating: if you are Stevie board mod, i think it makes all the sense that you prefer her. if you are Lindsey or Chris board mod, it makes sense you prefer them.

just my 0.02.
While the rest you wrote is right, actually the boards moderators rule aren't linked to their personal preferences, but they just reflect the needs and traffic areas of the board, for example when I joined there was need for another moderator to screen the Chit Chat Board and I've been contacted for that.

[jbrownsjr]

While the rest you wrote is right, actually the boards moderators rule aren't linked to their personal preferences, but they just reflect the needs and traffic areas of the board, for example when I joined there was need for another moderator to screen the Chit Chat Board and I've been contacted for that.

I used to be afraid to read chit chat. It was eye popping. Don't know how you did it.

[SisterNightroad]

I used to be afraid to read chit chat. It was eye popping. Don't know how you did it.
Well, it's not been easy but never boring.

[elle]

While the rest you wrote is right, actually the boards moderators rule aren't linked to their personal preferences, but they just reflect the needs and traffic areas of the board, for example when I joined there was need for another moderator to screen the Chit Chat Board and I've been contacted for that.

so you don't have a preference for chit-chatting? ;)

i am still curious how this works but i do have a problem if someone who clearly dislikes Stevie is moderating her board, or if someone who clearly prefers Stevie to Chris is moderating Chris' board.

Rumours board and chit-chat especially would be exception to that rule. although someone who'd rather have Stevie solo than Fleetwood Mac is clearly not appropriate mod for Rumours board - but can create a lot of traffic there, same as someone like me who clearly prefers Lindsey solo over FM version with Stevie.

[HomerMcvie]

I used to be afraid to read chit chat. It was eye popping. Don't know how you did it.

Chit Chat used to be exciting, when we had free reign to post about "taboo" topics. I rarely venture there any more. I pretty much just stay in the Rumours forum now...

[SisterNightroad]

so you don't have a preference for chit-chatting? ;)

i am still curious how this works but i do have a problem if someone who clearly dislikes Stevie is moderating her board, or if someone who clearly prefers Stevie to Chris is moderating Chris' board.

Rumours board and chit-chat especially would be exception to that rule. although someone who'd rather have Stevie solo than Fleetwood Mac is clearly not appropriate mod for Rumours board - but can create a lot of traffic there, same as someone like me who clearly prefers Lindsey solo over FM version with Stevie.
Actually in real life I am a pretty quiet and introvert person that abhors small talk and I always go to great lenghts to avoid engaging in meaningless chit-chatting with my acquaintances and neighbors, like waiting they've crossed the street before stepping out.
Howeverone thing is to interact on the board and another is moderating, one doesn't exclude the other. If someone breaks the forum rules it doesn't make any difference in which of the boards this happens. To critique band members is legit, personally insulting members of the forum isn't.

[jbrownsjr]

I can honestly say that if a Christine fan attacked a Stevie fan in a way that was disparaging or threatening, I'd have no problem stepping in.

My bias as a fan is an obsession that I find fun. But, being a human being is something we all should practice.

Elle, we disagree on so much Lindsey stuff, and I find you annoying when you blast Trouble. Don't taze me bro...

[jbrownsjr]

Chit Chat used to be exciting, when we had free reign to post about "taboo" topics. I rarely venture there any more. I pretty much just stay in the Rumours forum now...

Politics and religion is like an A-Bomb.. where FMac stuff is a fire cracker.

That's my point of view...

[ryan4136]

World Turning is annoying...........there I said it.

[louielouie2000]

Know why Sugar Daddy and Think About Me are favorites? THE BEAT. They're fun, and rocking.

I can only take so much sludge...Oh Daddy, Warm Ways, Storms, Beautiful Child....SLUDGE. Percy Sludge! Gimme a GD BEAT!!!

I love Think About Me, Hold Me, Sugar Daddy, etc too. I appreciate the upbeat songs just as much as the slow moody ones you mentioned. I have my cake and I'm eating it too, damnit! :D

[elle]

I can honestly say that if a Christine fan attacked a Stevie fan in a way that was disparaging or threatening, I'd have no problem stepping in.

My bias as a fan is an obsession that I find fun. But, being a human being is something we all should practice.
exactly! and i believe YOU would. some people here wouldn't - and that's when it would be a problem for a person like that to be a mod, but you are perfect person for it.
Elle, we disagree on so much Lindsey stuff, and I find you annoying when you blast Trouble. Don't taze me bro...
:lol::blob1::blob2::laugh::blob1:

[jbrownsjr]

World Turning is annoying...........there I said it.

I shall start banning procedures.. lol

[HomerMcvie]

Politics and religion is like an A-Bomb.. where FMac stuff is a fire cracker.

That's my point of view...

Agreed, and I was referring to neither. More nether.

Remember when there were sexual threads?

[HomerMcvie]

Actually in real life I am a pretty quiet and introvert person that abhors small talk and I always go to great lenghts to avoid engaging in meaningless chit-chatting with my acquaintances and neighbors, like waiting they've crossed the street before stepping out.
Howeverone thing is to interact on the board and another is moderating, one doesn't exclude the other. If someone breaks the forum rules it doesn't make any difference in which of the boards this happens. To critique band members is legit, personally insulting members of the forum isn't.

Word!

On your personal life choices(I'm the same), and we are FREE to critique the band here. When you attack members, the worm has turned...

[jbrownsjr]

Agreed, and I was referring to neither. More nether.

Remember when there were sexual threads?

LOL.. yes!!!

[jbrownsjr]

Word!

On your personal life choices(I'm the same), and we are FREE to critique the band here. When you attack members, the worm has turned...

I consider myself a Stevie fan. I mean I've listened to Bella Donna and Wild Heart for the last 5 weeks over and over and over again. Love the remasters.

It was more directed to the chiffons over at Fleetwood Mac News.. they were actually p o'd at Christine and Lindsey for not waiting for Stevie. And then proceeding to do an album without her. Can you imagine?

[SisterNightroad]

i believe YOU would. some people here wouldn't - and that's when it would be a problem for a person like that to be a mod, but you are perfect person for it.
Nothing of the sort has ever happened with the current moderation team since I'm in, so I think there's nothing to worry about.
However we mods are people with busy outside lives and committments, so it may happen that we overlook something. If anyone ever sees something they just need to report it.

Word!
On your personal life choices(I'm the same)
I know, acquaintances and neighbors are just so obnoxious. Lately everyone started asking me about marrying and having kids and I've turned 25 just a few months ago. Welcome in the Introvert world.

Remember when there were sexual threads?
I wouldn't like to know anything about anyone's sexual life here, I imagine everyone as an American version of my father, only bald and eating burgers or hotdogs.

[HomerMcvie]

I consider myself a Stevie fan. I mean I've listened to Bella Donna and Wild Heart for the last 5 weeks over and over and over again. Love the remasters.

It was more directed to the chiffons over at Fleetwood Mac News.. they were actually p o'd at Christine and Lindsey for not waiting for Stevie. And then proceeding to do an album without her. Can you imagine?

Dammit, I should have sent you The White Winged Dove tour on DVD as well. I didn't think of it until I'd already mailed your package! People think I hate Stevie, too. Well, I hate what she's become, but I love me some 75-85 Stevie!

Well, that because they have Steviemyopia. I can't wait to hear the new album, and I'm so glad she's not on it!!!!

[HomerMcvie]

I know, acquaintances and neighbors are just so obnoxious. Lately everyone started asking me about marrying and having kids and I've turned 25 just a few months ago. Welcome in the Introvert world.


I wouldn't like to know anything about anyone's sexual life here, I imagine everyone as an American version of my father, only bald and eating burgers or hotdogs.

I have the best neighbor now. We don't really care for each other, but we wave when we're mowing, and that's about it. #noconversation #winning

IDK about anyone else, but I'm a stand in double for Justin Bieber. People are always mistaking me for him!

I think the thread was "Just Thought I'd Share", and people really started sharing some....INTIMATE stuff. It was funny, but got a little too informative, and finally got shut down(after being active for a long time!).

[jbrownsjr]

Dammit, I should have sent you The White Winged Dove tour on DVD as well. I didn't think of it until I'd already mailed your package! People think I hate Stevie, too. Well, I hate what she's become, but I love me some 75-85 Stevie!

Well, that because they have Steviemyopia. I can't wait to hear the new album, and I'm so glad she's not on it!!!!

I'm glad she's not on it,too. Originally, I wanted a FMac magic 5.. but then after they announced it, some of the chiffons did their bits.. well it won't sell because Stevie's not on it.. or it insults the B/N relationship.. and 100 other reasons why two other amazing artists aren't allowed to create..

So after I vomited from reading their comments.. (not here) btw.. I said, "Thank God the Stevie pretension factor won't be involved with this project!"

And if you can't post an unpopular opinion in the "unpopular opinion thread" then my hands are tied... or my fingers. ;)

PS: I watched the Christine DVD.. My neighbors must think.. what is that music. lol... was blasting it on Friday evening.. Great show..

[FuzzyPlum]

Tango In The Night is their best album
What's The World Coming To is a pretty good song
Crystal is as boring as hell
Time is decent
You'd have to go back as far as Kiln House to find an album I've listened to less than Say You Will
I've never found Stevie particularly attractive; pretty yes...but she's never done it for me even back in her heyday
My favourite solo album is the Christine Perfect album (even Christine doesn't like that album)

[SisterNightroad]

IDK about anyone else, but I'm a stand in double for Justin Bieber. People are always mistaking me for him!
I'm not sure that's a compliment though...

[louielouie2000]

I think the thread was "Just Thought I'd Share", and people really started sharing some....INTIMATE stuff. It was funny, but got a little too informative, and finally got shut down(after being active for a long time!).

It was called the TMI Thread and I LOVED it. I can't remember anymore what pushed it over the edge to the point where it couldn't be redeemed, but it was a riot while it lasted.

[FuzzyPlum]

It was called the TMI Thread and I LOVED it. I can't remember anymore what pushed it over the edge to the point where it couldn't be redeemed, but it was a riot while it lasted.

Come on mods, loosen up, bring it back. I'm intrigued. Let's live a little :nod:

[SisterNightroad]

It was called the TMI Thread and I LOVED it. I can't remember anymore what pushed it over the edge to the point where it couldn't be redeemed, but it was a riot while it lasted.
Actually I found it a while ago when I was making a search on the forum and if I understood well a big part of the reason was a certain previous member.

Come on mods, loosen up, bring it back. I'm intrigued. Let's live a little :nod:
Please have mercy, I'd have to screen that myself!
And besides that, would you really be ready to hear me talking about my period?

[FuzzyPlum]

And besides that, would you really be ready to hear me talking about my period?

Ummm, no way
period

:blob1:

[FuzzyPlum]

I'd much prefer to kick back and listen to the 1980 Live album than The Dance.

[jbrownsjr]

Come on mods, loosen up, bring it back. I'm intrigued. Let's live a little :nod:

We can call it, naked chit chat.. lol

[jbrownsjr]

Actually I found it a while ago when I was making a search on the forum and if I understood well a big part of the reason was a certain previous member.


Please have mercy, I'd have to screen that myself!
And besides that, would you really be ready to hear me talking about my period?

Certain members have theirs all the time around here.. too soon?? ;)

[SisterNightroad]

Certain members have theirs all the time around here.. too soon?? ;)
Ah ah, actually yes, I had my period too soon.

[louielouie2000]

I'd much prefer to kick back and listen to the 1980 Live album than The Dance.

Same here. I haven't listened to The Dance in many years, but the Live 1980 album has always been in regular rotation.

[Macfan4life]

I'd much prefer to kick back and listen to the 1980 Live album than The Dance.
Oh yes without a doubt. That was REAL live music arena rock style. With the technology today its studio sound with backup singers and extra percussionists. Its apple and oranges. So glad they did the Live album. NO ONE wanted to do it including the record label. It was Mick alone who pushed it to happen. It was not very successful and many told Mick "I told you so." But thankfully we have these incredible live songs. I just wish the Chain was included with Sisters. I would gladly axe all the "new" songs for those 2. It would be the perfect live album with those 2 additions.

[olive]

Oh yes without a doubt. That was REAL live music arena rock style. With the technology today its studio sound with backup singers and extra percussionists. Its apple and oranges. So glad they did the Live album. NO ONE wanted to do it including the record label. It was Mick alone who pushed it to happen. It was not very successful and many told Mick "I told you so." But thankfully we have these incredible live songs. I just wish the Chain was included with Sisters. I would gladly axe all the "new" songs for those 2. It would be the perfect live album with those 2 additions.

hate to bust your bubble BUT

http://www.tonedeaf.com.au/489320/truth-behind-live-albums.htm

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5cuzj7i1Whs/maxresdefault.jpg

[mylittledemon]

I'd much prefer to kick back and listen to the 1980 Live album than The Dance.

Can't wholly agree with you there since The Dance got me into the band, however, the Live album version of Sara is bliss.

[Macfan4life]

Olive
I knew that about live albums. But you cannot compare the 1980 live album compared to the 1997 one. The 1980 album is much more raw. No comparison.

[bombaysaffires]

Can't wholly agree with you there since The Dance got me into the band, however, the Live album version of Sara is bliss.

and the vocal is all overdubbed.:mad:

[mylittledemon]

^That's okay. Still a quality vocal. :thumbsup:

[HomerMcvie]

I'm glad she's not on it,too. Originally, I wanted a FMac magic 5.. but then after they announced it, some of the chiffons did their bits.. well it won't sell because Stevie's not on it.. or it insults the B/N relationship.. and 100 other reasons why two other amazing artists aren't allowed to create..

So after I vomited from reading their comments.. (not here) btw.. I said, "Thank God the Stevie pretension factor won't be involved with this project!"

And if you can't post an unpopular opinion in the "unpopular opinion thread" then my hands are tied... or my fingers. ;)

PS: I watched the Christine DVD.. My neighbors must think.. what is that music. lol... was blasting it on Friday evening.. Great show..

She really should just leave the band. She's over it, except for milking the golden oldies teat.

I'm glad you liked it. I'll get around to sending you White Winged Dove tour, sometime in the near future. The only thing I hate about it is that her bass player, Bob Glaub, is having some sort of epileptic seizure during the entire concert. Annoying AF!

But the tusk doc outtakes are one of my favorite things i own. I never tire of watching it!

[jbrownsjr]

Ah ah, actually yes, I had my period too soon.

Haha!! wow.. two mods talking about a period.. love this board..

[Ench]

Dammit, I should have sent you The White Winged Dove tour on DVD as well. I didn't think of it until I'd already mailed your package! People think I hate Stevie, too. Well, I hate what she's become, but I love me some 75-85 Stevie!

Well, that because they have Steviemyopia. I can't wait to hear the new album, and I'm so glad she's not on it!!!!

I had a look over on Fleetwood Mac News, and the comments on the Buckingham McVie album are similar to those here. Where are the comments saying that they should have waited for Stevie?

[jbrownsjr]

I had a look over on Fleetwood Mac News, and the comments on the Buckingham McVie album are similar to those here. Where are the comments saying that they should have waited for Stevie?

It was on their instagram page.

[HomerMcvie]

I had a look over on Fleetwood Mac News, and the comments on the Buckingham McVie album are similar to those here. Where are the comments saying that they should have waited for Stevie?

Haven't they waited THREE YEARS for her? And she isn't interested.

Show the goat the door....er, gate!

[jbrownsjr]

Haven't they waited THREE YEARS for her? And she isn't interested.

Show the goat the door....er, gate!

Ask Elle this question...

Elle??

[elle]

Ask Elle this question...

Elle??

lol. i added my comment to IG.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPNmcQBAHPn/?taken-by=fleetwoodmacnews
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[jbrownsjr]

Not that question... the question was:

quoting homer

Haven't they waited THREE YEARS for her? And she isn't interested.

Show the goat the door....er, gate!

[Ench]

lol. i added my comment to IG.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BPNmcQBAHPn/?taken-by=fleetwoodmacnews

Ah yes, there are a certain amount of knickers getting rather in a twist there.

[jbrownsjr]

Ah yes, there are a certain amount of knickers getting rather in a twist there.

That was the birth of my original, "unpopular opinion". It's all very strange and creepy, in my opinion.

[ryan4136]

Warm Ways is one of the bright spots on "Fleetwood Mac"

[~*BellaDonna*~]

"Welcome to the Room...Sara" has grown on me.

[24karatstevie]

"Welcome to the Room...Sara" has grown on me.
Me too! I used to always skip it but now I love it!

[jbrownsjr]

"Welcome to the Room...Sara" has grown on me.

Strangely, I've always like this song. I love the arrangement... I get a lot of flak for liking it. :sorry:

[aleuzzi]

Here's an unpopular opinion:

I am not at all excited about the Tango reissue and have very little interest in hearing outtakes and alt-versions of an album that has not worn well with me through the years. Notwithstanding "Little Lies," "Everywhere," and "Big Love," nothing on the album seems essential--or even substantial. "Isn't It Midnight" comes close but, oddly, the live version from the otherwise bloated and washed-out "Shaking the Cage" concert video is far superior and more interesting, in part because Christine's live voice on it sounds warm and seductive, rather than the mucked-up pitch-altered vocal from the album.

Not a Tango fan. Decades of denial have crumbled and I can now admit what I've always felt: the album is a disappointment.

Bring on Buckingham-McVie!

[shackin'up]

Here's an unpopular opinion:

I am not at all excited about the Tango reissue and have very little interest in hearing outtakes and alt-versions of an album that has not worn well with me through the years. Notwithstanding "Little Lies," "Everywhere," and "Big Love," nothing on the album seems essential--or even substantial. "Isn't It Midnight" comes close but, oddly, the live version from the otherwise bloated and washed-out "Shaking the Cage" concert video is far superior and more interesting, in part because Christine's live voice on it sounds warm and seductive, rather than the mucked-up pitch-altered vocal from the album.

Not a Tango fan. Decades of denial have crumbled and I can now admit what I've always felt: the album is a disappointment.

Bring on Buckingham-McVie!

Apart from the love for Little Lies, I totally agree. For me it is one of the weakest albums in Macs history. I'm not going to buy the reissue. And those 12" versions are a total disaster to my ears. An insult to the art of extended danceversions.

[HomerMcvie]

I feel the same. The band has always been ashamed of Mirage, but Mirage is far superior to that computerized sounding dreck that is Tango. Tango is lamebo.

[michelej1]

I'm going to be excited when we finally get to the reissue of Say You Will.

Michele

[HomerMcvie]

I'm going to be excited when we finally get to the reissue of Say You Will.

Michele

I'll wager that it never happens. It's right up there with Time and the Bob Welch years...

Never happened!!!!!

[aleuzzi]

I feel the same. The band has always been ashamed of Mirage, but Mirage is far superior to that computerized sounding dreck that is Tango. Tango is lamebo.

Mirage is the last album to capture the magic of the Rumours lineup. Tango sounds so calculated and desperate to be big. Big Love, Little Lies, and Everywhere are exceptions, but even they do not match the impact of Hold Me, Gypsy, and Eyes of the World. Rather, they seem sculpted, slick...professional as opposed to inspired.

The band has made good music since Mirage, but it's been fractured, parsed, and one-offish. Say You Will (like In the Meantime) is VERY substantial in comparison with Tango but will never get the same attention.