What should Fleetwood Mac do about Stevie Nicks?

[Jondalar]

What should Fleetwood Mac do about Stevie Nicks since she refuses to record w/them?

[FuzzyPlum]

Finish the album- which hopefully won't take long as they won't need to faff around with Stevie and her songs or backing vocals. Put out the Tango In The Night deluxe in early 2017 and quickly follow it up with the new album release. Tour through most of 2017: mostly US but also a small European leg (I'd like to say 'Down under' too but I'm not sure that would be feasible in the timeframe)
Peter and Jeremy to join them on stage for a couple of UK shows.
late 2017: rest
Then tour again. If Stevie wishes to join them at this point she can do.

[SteveMacD]

I'd tell her that "we're going to get back to making albums and touring behind them, you're free to join us whenever you want, but we're not going to wait for you and we're not going to beg you to be involved."

[SisterNightroad]

Cover her head with a black sack and kidnap her?

[SmthngOfADreamr]

I'm tired of the same old greatest hits tour with one or two deep cuts. I really do love Stevie a lot, and Fleetwood Mac as well, but they haven't released a full album in 13 years. That's an insane amount of time. It's to the point where their tours are now an embarrassing nostalgia act that they can phone in. I also think it's unfathomable that Stevie wouldn't want to record one last album with all 5.

That's why I think that if she refuses to record they should show her the door. No more nostalgia tours. Let them release a new album without her and tour behind it.

[louielouie2000]

The band told Christine in 2003 that she could not record without touring. It's only fair the reverse ultimatum be imposed on Stevie now: she cannot tour without recording.

[HomerMcvie]

Cover her head with a black sack and kidnap her?

You've got the first part correct. A concrete block and rope are involved in the latter! ;)

[SisterNightroad]

You've got the first part correct. A concrete block and rope are involved in the latter! ;)
And then the next day we'll receive dead fish wrapped in Stevie's silk chiffon shawl as in The Godfather?

[aleuzzi]

The band told Christine in 2003 that she could not record without touring. It's only fair the reverse ultimatum be imposed on Stevie now: she cannot tour without recording.

I think that's why option three is best. Do the album, do a small tour without her, then do another post-album goodbye tour with her.

[SteveMacD]

The band told Christine in 2003 that she could not record without touring. It's only fair the reverse ultimatum be imposed on Stevie now: she cannot tour without recording.
If it wasn't so late in their careers, I'd agree. But they realistically have like five years left at most, so why not at least try to go out with the full classic lineup? Unless they plan on doing something radical over the next five years, a la the the last series of Johnny Cash albums, I don't see a good reason to just get rid of Stevie at this stage of the game.

[shackin'up]

Finish album, tour as a fourpiece, then as a fivepiece.

Or just disband. And finish the album as Buckwood Mac and move on.

[Newzchspy]

THIS IS THE PENDING QUESTION:What should Fleetwood Mac do about Stevie Nicks since she refuses to record w/them?


More accurately, What should Stevie Nicks do about Fleetwood Mac since she refuses to record with them?? The ball is much more in her COURT than Mick's, John, Chris and Lindsey!! Without Stevie, in 2017, there is NO Fleetwood Mac.

[mylittledemon]

I want them to tour again. Then finish the record with Christine and Stevie, and then tour again. Or at least finish the album before they call it quits.

A thought... Maybe Stevie doesn't want to record again because she simply doesn't have the quality of songs she'd like to contribute to a new Mac record?

[Jondalar]

THIS IS THE PENDING QUESTION:What should Fleetwood Mac do about Stevie Nicks since she refuses to record w/them?


More accurately, What should Stevie Nicks do about Fleetwood Mac since she refuses to record with them?? The ball is much more in her COURT than Mick's, John, Chris and Lindsey!! Without Stevie, in 2017, there is NO Fleetwood Mac.

That's not true, especially in Europe and because the members are already rich. That is just your bias.

Creatively the ball is much more in Lindsey's and Christine's court. Do you really think she is going to contribute the best songs to a new album? Hers will be the throwaways. It's very sad but it's probably for the best that she stay away.

[elle]

I want them to tour again. Then finish the record with Christine and Stevie, and then tour again. Or at least finish the album before they call it quits.

A thought... Maybe Stevie doesn't want to record again because she simply doesn't have the quality of songs she'd like to contribute to a new Mac record?

that's been prevailing opinion, it seems.

either way, the most sensible option and win-win for all the band members plus most of the fans is: "finish the album and do a small tour without her, but then do a big tour with her"

happy to see at least nobody is for "just disband" option but i have to wonder who are 3 votes for "They should not record anything new and just tour with Stevie as Fleetwood Mac"? pretty shocking! :rolleyes:

nice poll. :nod:

[SteveMacD]

More accurately, What should Stevie Nicks do about Fleetwood Mac since she refuses to record with them?? The ball is much more in her COURT than Mick's, John, Chris and Lindsey!! Without Stevie, in 2017, there is NO Fleetwood Mac.
No, the classic Fleetwood Mac minus Stevie Nicks is like Crosby, Stills, and Nash vs. Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young. CSN was still a viable entity without Neil, albeit on a smaller scale.

Actually, it's Stevie who risks overplaying her cards. They might find that they're still able to make good enough money and that they're having more fun without her and decide to go on without her.

[iamnotafraid]

A thought... Maybe Stevie doesn't want to record again because she simply doesn't have the quality of songs she'd like to contribute to a new Mac record?


I think that's a big part of it.

To me the only listenable songs of hers are the ones
she wrote many, many years ago.

Plus she seems to love the power trip of holding the
band hostage, so to speak.

[Iamwilliame]

I think they should go on without her. They certainly shouldn't need the money. I have said before, I hope this album, if it ever is released, gets some critical buzz and maybe even a few industry awards. In all honesty, I wish Stevie would just leave the band if she is that miserable. I find it very sad that Stevie and Lindsey can't get it together enough at this point in their lives to communicate like reasonable adults and do a handful of songs together. And since when did Stevie need new material? We know she has several unreleased demos that could be shaped into something beautiful and worthy of the Fleetwood Mac name.

As frustrated as I am with Stevie, I also lay a good chuck of the blame for no new album with Stevie on Lindsey and his tight control over the band's sound. I have loved his work as a producer in the past but his work with the band since Mirage has lacked a certain warmth that is present in their best stuff. It's a shame they can't get a co-producer who is a huge fan but also not afraid to tell them NO when it needs to be said. This whole mess just boils down to the love/hate drama that never ends with those two. I wish Chris (because she is likely the only one with the guts to say it) would just tell them both to get over themselves and suck it up or hit the road.

[StillOfTheNight]

If they were to tour without her, it'd be on a much smaller scale. Amphitheaters, 5K crowds maybe. She's the face of FM, and gave them many of their top ten hits. Casual fans probably wouldn't see them without her, but big fans like us would. They shouldn't have to wait on her, but her tour is doing really well, I say let her tour then she can join them, it's not like she'll be able to perform many of the songs she's playing ever again.

[FuzzyPlum]

If they were to tour without her, it'd be on a much smaller scale. Amphitheaters, 5K crowds maybe. She's the face of FM, and gave them many of their top ten hits. Casual fans probably wouldn't see them without her, but big fans like us would. They shouldn't have to wait on her, but her tour is doing really well, I say let her tour then she can join them, it's not like she'll be able to perform many of the songs she's playing ever again.


She gave them relatively few of their top ten hits!
Casual fans would probably mostly still go to shows as they wouldn't know much difference- hence, they are casual fans.


I'm starting to think Stevie really deep down doesn't want to be in the band but can't quite bring herself to quit. She's almost daring them to kick her out. That's not to say she doesn't like elements of being in Fleetwood Mac (the money) I just think she'd be just as happy doing her own thing from now on.
I can see them doing a foursome and Stevie then playing the martyr card-
''Oh, look world... my old band kicked me out. They did an album and tour without me. Woe is me. Now I'll have to go and write songs about how it feels to be ostracized by people I thought were my friends. Woe is me'

[SteveMacD]

If they were to tour without her, it'd be on a much smaller scale. Amphitheaters, 5K crowds maybe.
The flip side to that is that they would have a much smaller crew, so they could end up netting a comparable amount of money.

She's the face of FM, and gave them many of their top ten hits.
Two. Stevie had two top-ten hits in Fleetwood Mac (Dreams and Sara). Lindsey had three (Go Your Own Way, Tusk, and Big Love) and Christine had four (Don't Stop, You Make Loving Fun, Hold Me, and Little Lies). Stevie had the fewest top ten hits in Fleetwood Mac, although she did have their only number one.

Casual fans probably wouldn't see them without her
Or, more casual fans who like the band, but not Stevie would come out.

[AncientQueen]

Well, I'm critical about a new album.
Maybe Mick and Chris talked too much, there is no material at all, or it isn't as advanced as they told us, wouldn't be the first time that FM members talk too much.
Or Stevie heard the songs and she does not like them and wants no part in an FM album that has bad songwriting. She herself is no longer able to write good material, Chris' hasn't had much practice over the years (I don't know anything about Lindsey, don't follow his solo work), maybe the songs aren't good at all, who knows.
And if they record together, who knows what friction goes down between the two ego-queens Stevie and Lindsey? If they end up at odds again, a tour will not be pleasant. With the enormous money a ticket will cost, I would rather see a harmonic band playing oldies then listen to sub-par new songs played by passive-aggresive people.
And maybe, it isn't a problem with Stevie after all, but rather with Johns health and noone wants to issue that by now.

So - touring without a new album is it for me.

On the other hand - when I see how the Rolling Stones just singled-handedly saved millions of people from having no christmas present for their parents with an album they recorded in 3 days, raking in the cash, i can't help to think: "Hey, Macs, this could have been your money!".

[HomerMcvie]

She's the face of FM, and gave them many of their top ten hits.

Many? Many?? You get an F in Math. Obviously not your forte.

[Fannymac]

I never thought I would say this, but I think they should just finish the album without her. After seeing her show at the Forum Sunday, I just can't help but feel that the end of Fleetwood Mac is upon us. It's clear she doesn't want to be in the band anymore, but it's also clear she needs the band....her solo show wasn't nearly as good as the Fleetwood Mac show last year.
Stevie loves being the star on stage....with Lindsey (and, to a lesser degree, Christine) she has to work for that....they push each other. No one pushes her when she's solo. Consequently, as different as she said this tour was going to be, it really wasn't....she seemed to be going through the motions, especially after Chrissie Hynde, who just KILLED it!
Don't get me wrong....she seemed happy. And that's why I think going back to the band is going to be such a disaster. She doesn't want to be there...you KNOW Lindsey is pissed at her....and I'm sure even Christine is upset. All of this is going to bleed into being on stage together, making them miserable.
Next year is the band's 50th anniversary, which I'm sure means something to Mick and John. I'm sure part of the tour is already booked. Between these two facts, I think we will see the band continue on for a bit.
But the fact remains....love her or hate her, Stevie is the main draw for Fleetwood Mac. I think the band's legacy means a lot to Mick and John. As much as everyone seems to love the new material, I think they should circle the wagons and make it clear that Stevie didn't want to participate, but they wanted the fans to hear this music. So what if it pisses her off? At this point, I don't think it matters.
So.....release the album without Stevie, do a mini tour without her while she does the second leg of her tour, plus Australia and Great Britain, then soldier through one more tour at the end of 2017 and into 2018.
I never thought I would say that. But at this point, I just want to see the band end their run with some integrity and on a (somewhat) high note.

[On Ice]

I gauge my thoughts about my favourite band of all time by my visceral reactions to the chance to see them live, including Stevie. I have not been to a concert since 2004 and have no desire to. It just does nothing for me to see the same (wonderful) tunes so heavily augmented by back up singers, musicians and pre-recorded tracks. It sucks the wind out of the experience and reinforces the reality that these shows are all about generating cash, in line with much of the corporate world. I do like the most recent work including Say You Will and Stevie's last two solo albums and would be interested in hearing some new music. Minus that, I have zero interest in the hype and drama so if Stevie is not willing to record an album, it makes no sense to continue and they should just end it all. It is also ridiculous for people in their seventies to be relying on 40 year old issues, who does that, really. So I voted to end it, I would rather listen to all the great albums than see them live, for the reasons above.

[Macfanforever]

It should say the other way. "What should Stevie Nicks c do about Fleetwood Mac ?"

She should say .

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Years ago and move on.

[Macfanforever]

But seriously I vote for 3.

They should finish the album and do a small tour without her, but then do a big tour with her.

And all can throw the towel in after that.

[nicepace]

I wish one of the poll choices was: "They should kick her out of the band."

That's different from: "The should kick her out of the band unless she agrees to participate in a new album," which is the choice the poll gives us.

Stevie has had plenty of opportunity to agree to participate and hasn't. It's time for the four to conclude that she isn't interested and go on without her. I am hoping that that is exactly what they are doing. Christine's statements to interviewers earlier this fall, and a picture or two that have emerged from what looks like a recording studio, give me hope that they really ARE finishing the album and we'll be hearing something about it very soon.

[nicepace]

It just does nothing for me to see the same (wonderful) tunes so heavily augmented by back up singers, musicians and pre-recorded tracks. It sucks the wind out of the experience and reinforces the reality that these shows are all about generating cash, in line with much of the corporate world.

I do agree with this, to a point. I saw the band last year but only because of Christine's return. One of the reasons I am hoping for a foursome tour is that hopefully it will be more like a real concert and less like a Hollywood stage extravaganza. I would rather see just the four of them, even if the harmonies aren't perfect and there's only one guitar and one keyboard. (I would expect one extra musician because "Go Your Own Way" and "Tusk" really require it, but I can't think of any other song they couldn't perform well with just the four of them.)

[aleuzzi]

Well, I'm critical about a new album.
Maybe Mick and Chris talked too much, there is no material at all, or it isn't as advanced as they told us, wouldn't be the first time that FM members talk too much.
Or Stevie heard the songs and she does not like them and wants no part in an FM album that has bad songwriting. She herself is no longer able to write good material, Chris' hasn't had much practice over the years (I don't know anything about Lindsey, don't follow his solo work), maybe the songs aren't good at all, who knows....


Given that Mick, Lindsey, and Christine have all said the same thing about the new music, and that Christine is pretty frank about such projects, I doubt the first scenario you pose. This is nor to say that they are necessarily finished (though according to their timelines they should be).

The second scenario is VERY unlikely. My guess is Stevie hasn't even made an attempt to listen to the new songs. And even if she did and didn't like them, that would not factor into her participation. If FM were her only musical outlet, she'd be on board, if for no other reason than to bring out her own material. But she's got her own thing and a bunch of people letting her do whatever she wants. So, why come back and be subjected to edits and critiques--even though those very things may be necessary or constructive?

What is most likely is she just doesn't want to work with Lindsey and she doesn't have new material. I DO think the sparks from the McVie-Buckingham collaborations are probably scary to her, especially since if she contributed new songs to the Mac record, critics would compare her contributions to theirs and quite possibly find her material wanting. Critics have rarely been kind to her within the context of band studio albums. She may fear that kind of assessment and press at this stage of her life, especially since the last several years on her own have been met with fan and critical acclaim.

[Jondalar]

I wish one of the poll choices was: "They should kick her out of the band."

That's different from: "The should kick her out of the band unless she agrees to participate in a new album," which is the choice the poll gives us.

Stevie has had plenty of opportunity to agree to participate and hasn't. It's time for the four to conclude that she isn't interested and go on without her. I am hoping that that is exactly what they are doing. Christine's statements to interviewers earlier this fall, and a picture or two that have emerged from what looks like a recording studio, give me hope that they really ARE finishing the album and we'll be hearing something about it very soon.

You need to re-evaluate. It's really not different from what you r talking about.

[TheWildHeart67]

Lol. Stevie only gave the Mac two top ten hits, eh? "Rhiannon' may have peaked at #11, but is a seminol rock classic played constantly on radio to this day. "Gypsy" peaked at #12 but it too gets massive airplay these days. Way more than than the top 5 "Hold me" does these days. "Landslide' and " Gold Dust Woman" were never hit singles but are also seminol classics. Stevie is just as vital as Christine and Lindsey to the mighty Mac.

[24karatstevie]

Lol. Stevie only gave the Mac two top ten hits, eh? "Rhiannon' may have peaked at #11, but is a seminol rock classic played constantly on radio to this day. "Gypsy" peaked at #12 but it too gets massive airplay these days. Way more than than the top 5 "Hold me" does these days. "Landslide' and " Gold Dust Woman" were never hit singles but are also seminol classics. Stevie is just as vital as Christine and Lindsey to the mighty Mac.

I have to agree with this. Regardless of chart position, I do hear Stevie's songs more than any other FM songs (except for maybe GYOW). My local stations are always playing Rhiannon, Dreams, Landslide, Gypsy, Sara, and Gold Dust Woman. I hear Seven Wonders sometimes too. This isn't to say that these songs are any better than Christine's or Lindsey's but i think in terms of relevance Stevie's FM songs are more popular.

[SteveMacD]

Lol. Stevie only gave the Mac two top ten hits, eh? "Rhiannon' may have peaked at #11, but is a seminol rock classic played constantly on radio to this day. "Gypsy" peaked at #12 but it too gets massive airplay these days. Way more than than the top 5 "Hold me" does these days. "Landslide' and " Gold Dust Woman" were never hit singles but are also seminol classics. Stevie is just as vital as Christine and Lindsey to the mighty Mac.

But, I can say the same thing about Say You Love Me and Everywhere, and Songbird seems to get covered a lot. I've also heard I'm So Afraid, Second Hand News, and Never Going Back Again a lot over the years.

[Jondalar]

But, I can say the same thing about Say You Love Me and Everywhere, and Songbird seems to get covered a lot. I've also heard I'm So Afraid, Second Hand News, and Never Going Back Again a lot over the years.

Everywhere has been very popular the last few years, especially in Europe. It's one their most popular songs.

[AncientQueen]

All i ever hear is "Little Lies" and "Hold Me".

[dreamsunwind]

I hear Go Your Own Way more than anything else. Even my little sister knows that song and she doesn't listen to that kind of music at all.

[olive]

issue a "factual" ( google it ) Press Release that she is indeed done with them .

[FuzzyPlum]

issue a "factual" ( google it ) Press Release that she is indeed done with them .

And that's the problem...the is no official 'I am done with them'. Instead she leaves them hanging.
She needs to do one thing or the other, not leave them in limbo wanting to be a productive band, wanting to make an album with Christine for the first time in 30 years. The four are stuck in no mans land at the moment.

[SisterNightroad]

And that's the problem...the is no official 'I am done with them'. Instead she leaves them hanging.
She needs to do one thing or the other, not leave them in limbo wanting to be a productive band, wanting to make an album with Christine for the first time in 30 years. The four are stuck in no mans land at the moment.
But we don't really know if they're "hanging", for all we know they had already kicked her out. Or she already said to them that she wants to leave. We don't really know anything but the fact that Stevie said that she'd prefer touring instead of making new music but let's face it, she says many things and then changes idea thousands of times.

[FuzzyPlum]

In the UK I'd say Christine's songs are on the radio most by a long way- Everywhere, Little Lies and Don't Stop are very heavily aired. Go Your Own Way is played quite a bit and so are Dreams and The Chain. Other than that Tusk, Big Love, Songbird, and Landslide get an airing every now and then. Heard Rhiannon on Absolute Rock radio just the other day...its a long time since I've heard that on the radio. In all honesty I don't think I've ever heard Say You Love Me, You Make Loving Fun, Hold Me, Sara, Gypsy or Seven Wonders on the radio (not to say they never get played). In fact, after Christine's I'd say Peter Green songs are played more often than either Lindsey or Stevie's songs. I guess it depends on which stations you listen to though.

[FuzzyPlum]

But we don't really know if they're "hanging", for all we know they had already kicked her out. Or she already said to them that she wants to leave. We don't really know anything but the fact that Stevie said that she'd prefer touring instead of making new music but let's face it, she says many things and then changes idea thousands of times.

Nope, we don't really know anything. That's why we spend day after day, week after week going around in circles speculating. All we really know is that Mick and Christine keep saying we've made most of an album but we dont know what will happen with Stevie as she hasn't committed to anything yet.
As far as I'm concerned though, if an artist tells their band 'I don't want to record anything with you' that should amount to 'I don't want to be in your band'.

[SteveMacD]

But we don't really know if they're "hanging", for all we know they had already kicked her out.
We definitely know they haven't kicked her out, because she would have said something extremely colorful about it.

[olive]

We definitely know they haven't kicked her out, because she would have said something extremely colorful about it.

so what is all of this ( thread ) for ?

[Jondalar]

We definitely know they haven't kicked her out, because she would have said something extremely colorful about it.

Not yet, but the tour hasn't ended.

[SteveMacD]

so what is all of this ( thread ) for ?
Well, I believe it's about what they SHOULD do, not what they have already done.

[olive]

Well, I believe it's about what they SHOULD do, not what they have already done.

should do about what ? there is no factual proof she said anything

[SteveMacD]

Not yet, but the tour hasn't ended.
I have every confidence that Stevie Nicks would immediately go to Rolling Stone or any other news source that would give her the time of day to go off on Fleetwood Mac if they fired her, regardless of whether or not she was on tour.

[SteveMacD]

should do about what ?
Really? About what they should do about Stevie, not what they've done.

[olive]

I have every confidence that Stevie Nicks would immediately go to Rolling Stone or any other news source that would give her the time of day to go off on Fleetwood Mac if they fired her, regardless of whether or not she was on tour.

i totally agree

[FuzzyPlum]

I have every confidence that Stevie Nicks would immediately go to Rolling Stone or any other news source that would give her the time of day to go off on Fleetwood Mac if they fired her, regardless of whether or not she was on tour.

the publicity would be good for her ticket sales.

[aleuzzi]

I have every confidence that Stevie Nicks would immediately go to Rolling Stone or any other news source that would give her the time of day to go off on Fleetwood Mac if they fired her, regardless of whether or not she was on tour.

She wouldn't have to. The media would be all over it and come to her.

[jwd]

I'm content with whatever the five of them decide to do. It'll be discussed as a band on what path they take collectively and or individually. I'm really not that stressed about it because I'm going to enjoy whatever they give.

[Newzchspy]

OK, lets step out of our super-fan selves for a moment and put this all in perspective. If I were to ask any of my clients young and old who (what members) they think of when they think of Fleetwood Mac and what songs, you'll get a unanimous Stevie Nicks and the songs of Landslide, Rhiannon, Stand Back, GDW and a few others. Yes, some are individual hits, BUT that's the way it is. No bias in polling. Just two simple questions about whom they think of and what songs??

I believe that much of the perspective here comes from whether you were a Mac fan b/4 Stevie and Lindsey or after or BOTH?? IMHO, having 40 years together as a band with Lindsey and Stevie as an integral part defines FM as inclusive of Stevie and Lindsey. The 60s and early 70s iteration has a different meaning to different persons . So yes, some of this is age-related and part of it is nostalgic (early FM years before Stevie/Lindsey). However, if you're talking about SuperGroup FM, then it must by definition include Stevie and Lindsey.

For example, I've seen Journey with SP and without him ( Arnel Pineda) and although he sounds, similar, its just not the same without SP (thats a whole other debate for another forum). Again, much of the perception is age related.

[Newzchspy]

the publicity would be good for her ticket sales.

This ^^^^^^^ !!!

BUT, NOT so good for FM ticket sales or booking dates!

[elle]

For example, I've seen Journey with SP and without him ( Arnel Pineda) and although he sounds, similar, its just not the same without SP (thats a whole other debate for another forum).

interesting, can you give us a quick scoop on what happened and how did 2 different Journey tours differ?

[sodascouts]

I never thought I would say this, but I think they should just finish the album without her. After seeing her show at the Forum Sunday, I just can't help but feel that the end of Fleetwood Mac is upon us. It's clear she doesn't want to be in the band anymore, but it's also clear she needs the band....her solo show wasn't nearly as good as the Fleetwood Mac show last year.
Stevie loves being the star on stage....with Lindsey (and, to a lesser degree, Christine) she has to work for that....they push each other. No one pushes her when she's solo. Consequently, as different as she said this tour was going to be, it really wasn't....she seemed to be going through the motions, especially after Chrissie Hynde, who just KILLED it!
Don't get me wrong....she seemed happy. And that's why I think going back to the band is going to be such a disaster. She doesn't want to be there...you KNOW Lindsey is pissed at her....and I'm sure even Christine is upset. All of this is going to bleed into being on stage together, making them miserable.
Next year is the band's 50th anniversary, which I'm sure means something to Mick and John. I'm sure part of the tour is already booked. Between these two facts, I think we will see the band continue on for a bit.
But the fact remains....love her or hate her, Stevie is the main draw for Fleetwood Mac. I think the band's legacy means a lot to Mick and John. As much as everyone seems to love the new material, I think they should circle the wagons and make it clear that Stevie didn't want to participate, but they wanted the fans to hear this music. So what if it pisses her off? At this point, I don't think it matters.
So.....release the album without Stevie, do a mini tour without her while she does the second leg of her tour, plus Australia and Great Britain, then soldier through one more tour at the end of 2017 and into 2018.
I never thought I would say that. But at this point, I just want to see the band end their run with some integrity and on a (somewhat) high note.

I've said this elsewhere, but what you have posted is pretty much how I feel as well. I adore Stevie; I've always been one of those rare people who like both Stevie and Lindsey with the same intensity, different as they are. I believe they sound best together. Thus, I want Stevie on another Fleetwood Mac album, and I want it more than I want any solo material.

That said, if Stevie refuses, I want them to move ahead without her. I want to hear that new music! If that means they record without Stevie, so be it. If that means they do a smaller scale tour without Stevie, I'm down with that as well. I would still like to see them do a big tour with her after that, though.

[SteveMacD]

OK, lets step out of our super-fan selves for a moment and put this all in perspective.
Okay, Christine and Lindsey had over two-thirds of Fleetwood Mac's hit singles. They could field a show full of classics and new songs without Stevie, and nobody would mistake it for anything other than Fleetwood Mac.

If I were to ask any of my clients young and old who (what members) they think of when they think of Fleetwood Mac and what songs, you'll get a unanimous Stevie Nicks and the songs of Landslide, Rhiannon, Stand Back, GDW and a few others.
Because that's scientific. It certainly doesn't explain why they sold many, many more tickets in 2014-15 compared to the 2013 tour. Stevie was there for both tours. Fleetwood Mac sold millions of albums. Of course people know or can easily be reminded of who Christine and Lindsey are. Don't be ridiculous.

I believe that much of the perspective here comes from whether you were a Mac fan b/4 Stevie and Lindsey or after or BOTH??
I like it all, from Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac to Extended Play. I became a fan in 1987.

IMHO, having 40 years together as a band with Lindsey and Stevie as an integral part defines FM as inclusive of Stevie and Lindsey. The 60s and early 70s iteration has a different meaning to different persons . So yes, some of this is age-related and part of it is nostalgic (early FM years before Stevie/Lindsey). However, if you're talking about SuperGroup FM, then it must by definition include Stevie and Lindsey.
And Christine. You know, the one who had the most top-40 Fleetwood Mac singles during the actual heyday of 1975-90 . . . I have a hunch you weren't as nearly upset with Fleetwood Mac carrying on without Ms. McVie.

For example, I've seen Journey with SP and without him ( Arnel Pineda) and although he sounds, similar, its just not the same without SP (thats a whole other debate for another forum). Again, much of the perception is age related.
The problem with that comparison is that SP was the only singer in Journey who had hit singles. Fleetwood Mac had three lead vocalists, and the two that want to make new music had over two-thirds of the hits. It would still be unmistakably Fleetwood Mac without Stevie.

[Jondalar]

I have every confidence that Stevie Nicks would immediately go to Rolling Stone or any other news source that would give her the time of day to go off on Fleetwood Mac if they fired her, regardless of whether or not she was on tour.

Who cares? Are you kidding? All she has done for the last 30 years is bad mouth Fleetwood Mac. She is a broken record. The world has heard it all before.

[SteveMacD]

Who cares? Are you kidding? All she has done for the last 30 years is bad mouth Fleetwood Mac. She is a broken record. The world has heard it all before.
I was responding to the comment that we don't even know whether or not Fleetwood Mac has fired Stevie. Oh yes we do!

[secondhandchain]

She's going to feel like a total D bag if this album is good. GOD I pray it is.

[Macfanforever]

Watch it flop big time without her.LOL.


Oops I'm kidding.It must be the eggnog in my bran flakes.LOL..............

[aleuzzi]

Watch it flop big time without her.LOL.


Oops I'm kidding.It must be the eggnog in my bran flakes.LOL..............

As so many have said, even an album with her wouldn't sell much these days. The real stakes are the critical reception and media attention. Given the past reviews of the band, it's likely a CM-LB driven FM record will get high praise. And some of that praise will be at the expense of Stevie, along the lines of "without Stevie, the remaining band are able to collaborate more effectively, etc."... That sort of bit.

Whether or not the album would get larger media attention or be widely acknowledged by fans is another matter--and one I don't think CM or LB care much about. Only Mick seems to want to constantly be ruling the airwaves and raking in maximum dough.

[SteveMacD]

As so many have said, even an album with her wouldn't sell much these days. The real stakes are the critical reception and media attention. Given the past reviews of the band, it's likely a CM-LB driven FM record will get high praise. And some of that praise will be at the expense of Stevie, along the lines of "without Stevie, the remaining band are able to collaborate more effectively, etc."... That sort of bit.

Whether or not the album would get larger media attention or be widely acknowledged by fans is another matter--and one I don't think CM or LB care much about. Only Mick seems to want to constantly be ruling the airwaves and raking in maximum dough.
I've been following the drama at Viacom, mainly since I'm a subscriber to Playstation Vue, which recently dropped Viacom. About a week after that happened, they fired their CEO, and it was announced today that the president of Viacom's MTV/Comedy Central division, who was responsible for moving the channel away from music, left the company. Anyway, the new CEO said that he felt it was a huge mistake to move MTV away from music and towards reality and scripted shows. That suggests to me that MTV could be headed back to being a music channel again in the very near future.

If Azoff and company play their cards right, Fleetwood Mac could have a marquee event to celebrate the relaunch of MTV as a music network. I don't know if it would do anything for sales, but it couldn't hurt.

[Jondalar]

I don't understand some people on here. Do you not pay attention to what is going on music industry? Even if Stevie is on the album, it is not going to sale well. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers just had a number one album and it never made it to Gold. That's horrible. Sia's album was number one and had hits on it and it has just been certified Gold. That is not good.

As far as the band wanting to make a ton of money from touring, they are already rich, especially Stevie and Lindsey. Lindsey gets extra money from producing. I wish people would quit bringing up money as a factor.

[singertobe]

Cover her head with a black sack and kidnap her?

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[singertobe]

I don't understand some people on here. Do you not pay attention to what is going on music industry? Even if Stevie is on the album, it is not going to sale well. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers just had a number one album and it never made it to Gold. That's horrible. Sia's album was number one and had hits on it and it has just been certified Gold. That is not good.

As far as the band wanting to make a ton of money from touring, they are already rich, especially Stevie and Lindsey. Lindsey gets extra money from producing. I wish people would quit bringing up money as a factor.

So what?! Its not like they need the money. They shouldn't be making an album to sell. They should be making an album to make an album!

[Jondalar]

So what?! Its not like they need the money. They shouldn't be making an album to sell. They should be making an album to make an album!

uhhh yeah, that is what I said....??????

[lilyfee]

So what?! Its not like they need the money. They shouldn't be making an album to sell. They should be making an album to make an album!

This!

And why is there no "Wait until Stevie is ready to complete the album with FM" option?

[elle]

This!

And why is there no "Wait until Stevie is ready to complete the album with FM" option?

maybe because they already did that? no reason to try the same thing over and over and expect different results. they waited since 2009. she finally came out and said she does not want to participate and doesn't see any need for another FM album.

i suspect she's been telling them this in private for years now and they didn't want to accept it. looks like they finally did.

[jbrownsjr]

Given that Mick, Lindsey, and Christine have all said the same thing about the new music, and that Christine is pretty frank about such projects, I doubt the first scenario you pose. This is nor to say that they are necessarily finished (though according to their timelines they should be).

The second scenario is VERY unlikely. My guess is Stevie hasn't even made an attempt to listen to the new songs. And even if she did and didn't like them, that would not factor into her participation. If FM were her only musical outlet, she'd be on board, if for no other reason than to bring out her own material. But she's got her own thing and a bunch of people letting her do whatever she wants. So, why come back and be subjected to edits and critiques--even though those very things may be necessary or constructive?

What is most likely is she just doesn't want to work with Lindsey and she doesn't have new material. I DO think the sparks from the McVie-Buckingham collaborations are probably scary to her, especially since if she contributed new songs to the Mac record, critics would compare her contributions to theirs and quite possibly find her material wanting. Critics have rarely been kind to her within the context of band studio albums. She may fear that kind of assessment and press at this stage of her life, especially since the last several years on her own have been met with fan and critical acclaim.

BINGO!!!!!!!

[michelej1]

This!

And why is there no "Wait until Stevie is ready to complete the album with FM" option?

Because they have already waited for years. Michele

[SteveMacD]

FLEETWOOD MAC: I Won't Be Waiting Around For You 2017 Tour

[iamnotafraid]

They should Elvis her.

Elvis has been touring with the Royal Philharmonic Ochestra.
There using film from two of his movies and TV specials to project
onto a screen while the orchestra and band back him up. And from
my understanding it's worked out very well.

This way we could all have the Stevie most of us prefer. Without the
complications she brings. And she'd be forever young.

[HomerMcvie]

They should Elvis her.

Elvis has been touring with the Royal Philharmonic Ochestra.
There using film from two of his movies and TV specials to project
onto a screen while the orchestra and band back him up. And from
my understanding it's worked out very well.

This way we could all have the Stevie most of us prefer. Without the
complications she brings. And she'd be forever young.

Hell, just buy the Mirage DVD. That was all of them at the top of their game, and I still liked her then!

We can ship (no pun intended) them off to the nursing homes where they belong, and enjoy them in their 1982 glory, the way the good lort intended!

[olive]

Hell, just buy the Mirage DVD. That was all of them at the top of their game, and I still liked her then!

We can ship (no pun intended) them off to the nursing homes where they belong, and enjoy them in their 1982 glory, the way the good lort intended!

nooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!

I can not let go ! they fill the void that is my life :]

[HomerMcvie]

nooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!

I can not let go ! they fill the void that is my life :]

Stevie and Lindsey can still bump uglies in the nursing home, since they're eternally in love.:cool:

[olive]

Stevie and Lindsey can still bump uglies in the nursing home, since they're eternally in love.:cool:

ok then

:xoxo::xoxo::xoxo::xoxo::angel::xoxo::xoxo::xoxo::xoxo:

[aleuzzi]

Hell, just buy the Mirage DVD. That was all of them at the top of their game, and I still liked her then!

We can ship (no pun intended) them off to the nursing homes where they belong, and enjoy them in their 1982 glory, the way the good lort intended!

They're the only ones to blame for this. They had a chance to take the world by storm again in 1987, but Lindsey backed out. That was a shame because Christine in particular was in really good form on that tour (or so the Shaking the Cage tour video would suggest). Then, in 2003, Christine backed out. The work from SYW, combined with many of the song ideas from In the Meantime would have made a KILLER Mac album. And now. And now.

Individually, in various fragmented configurations, the members of this band have made consistently impressive music since 1982, but they've just can't come together: the toxicity levels are too high. Or something.

[Macfanforever]

They should Elvis her.

Elvis has been touring with the Royal Philharmonic Ochestra.
There using film from two of his movies and TV specials to project
onto a screen while the orchestra and band back him up. And from
my understanding it's worked out very well.

This way we could all have the Stevie most of us prefer. Without the
complications she brings. And she'd be forever young.

I saw the Blue Christmas video of Elvis and Martina McBride on Christmas Eve on YT.They did a great job mixing them together.

[HomerMcvie]

Then, in 2003, Christine backed out. The work from SYW, combined with many of the song ideas from In the Meantime would have made a KILLER Mac album. And now. And now.

Didn't she leave in 98, when The Dance tour ended?

And agreed. Taking 5-6 of her ITM songs, and putting them on SYW, would have made SYW listenable. Not the steaming pile of doggie doo doo that it is.

[SisterNightroad]

the way the good lort intended!
I've searched the term "lort" with google for scientific reasons:

https://s30.postimg.org/f2hs95dqp/Screenshot_2016_12_27_18_30_13.png

[HomerMcvie]

I've searched the term "lort" with google for scientific reasons:

https://s30.postimg.org/f2hs95dqp/Screenshot_2016_12_27_18_30_13.png

;)I use it as a non believer. And always lower case, as a feeble attempt at mocking.

[aleuzzi]

Didn't she leave in 98, when The Dance tour ended?

And agreed. Taking 5-6 of her ITM songs, and putting them on SYW, would have made SYW listenable. Not the steaming pile of doggie doo doo that it is.

She stopped touring in 1998. But from comments made by Mick and Stevie in the Destiny Rules doc, as well a Stevie comments in Interview magazine at the time, it's clear she would have worked on Say You Will with them, had they let her. She just didn't want to tour. So, I consider her backing out really a demurral from the group--in 2003.

[Macfanforever]

Excuse me .I think some of you guys are sipping to much eggnog with rum after reading some of these posts about dog,horse and cow crap.LOL..............................................

Continue.........

[SisterNightroad]

Excuse me .I think some of you guys are sipping to much eggnog with rum after reading some of these posts about dog,horse and cow crap.LOL..............................................

Continue.........
You're wrong, mine was rum.

[Macfanforever]

You're wrong, mine was rum.

Oops.My bad.LOL...........................................

[FuzzyPlum]

;)I use it as a non believer. And always lower case, as a feeble attempt at mocking.

good man. lort away.

[Missy]

I just wish them all health and happiness in their own lives.

Maybe Stevie should just call in and record a few vocals, let them finish it, do a few interviews and then go back to whatever she wants to do.

I'm glad I went to see them on the last tour and got to see all five together. But I don't know if I will go again.

[SteveMacD]

She stopped touring in 1998. But from comments made by Mick and Stevie in the Destiny Rules doc, as well a Stevie comments in Interview magazine at the time, it's clear she would have worked on Say You Will with them, had they let her. She just didn't want to tour. So, I consider her backing out really a demurral from the group--in 2003.
I say 1998 only because she's the one who put the brakes on The Dance tour. The others waited a few years to see if she'd reconsider. They got their answer in January, 2001, when they played a farewell set for President Clinton without Christine.

[HomerMcvie]

I say 1998 only because she's the one who put the brakes on The Dance tour. The others waited a few years to see if she'd reconsider. They got their answer in January, 2001, when they played a farewell set for President Clinton without Christine.

Agreed. When they claim her absence being 16 years, the math supports the dates given.

[Macfan4life]

She stopped touring in 1998. But from comments made by Mick and Stevie in the Destiny Rules doc, as well a Stevie comments in Interview magazine at the time, it's clear she would have worked on Say You Will with them, had they let her. She just didn't want to tour. So, I consider her backing out really a demurral from the group--in 2003.
Oh the irony! I sort of remember that too. The band was like you are in or out. If you make the album then you must tour with us. I don't think Christine pushed the case.
Its funny to think of Stevie today. She is saying the opposite that she wants nothing to do with a new album but already signed up for the tour ;)

[secondhandchain]

Well Micks been playing at his restaurant ALOT the last few months. If they are in the studio you know he would have been there. I have a feeling NOTHING is going on and it's very sad that they are now an oldies act.

[HomerMcvie]

Well Micks been playing at his restaurant ALOT the last few months. If they are in the studio you know he would have been there. I have a feeling NOTHING is going on and it's very sad that they are now an oldies act.

Because they've not had an album in 14 years? :rolleyes:


At least Lindsey and Christine are TRYING to put something out. Unlike the dried up, prunish one.

[Macfanforever]

Oh the bloody bitterness over somebody that does not want to work with the BS with others in the band in the studio. Do we have any legit proof out of her mouth that she does not want to work with FM on this project.And not the BS from MSM is dishing out. I know I dont want to go back to any previous jobs and put up with the same a****oles again.I already had another offer at one place last month and I said NOOOO.If we get the 5some album .That will be great.If we dont.Its time to move on.

[SteveMacD]

And not the BS from MSM is dishing out.
Do we have to bring that crap into this board? I bet I'm not the only one who comes here specifically to NOT discuss American politics or read American political talking points.

[Macfanforever]

Do we have to bring that crap into this board? I bet I'm not the only one who comes here specifically to NOT discuss American politics or read American political talking points.

Come on .No taking points here.Did I say anything about politics.NO. You just did .Maybe FM politics YES but not the other.They are just as bad with musicians, artists and other celebrities .Just look at the horible National Enquirer cover story on George Michael .Nevermind the others with their rubbish.

[wayner]

Skip

where are you ???

[button-lip]

Yesterday they were filming Stevie's concert in Pittsburgh. So this means a new DVD and a new CD, that according to Stevie it won't sell because people don't buy records anymore.
So I'm thinking about the purpose of this new DVD/CD.

Or clearly there's another motive behind her decision to deny fans a new FM album.
I'm extremely dissapointed and her decision brought me closer to Lindsey and Christine. :woohoo:

[elle]

looks like voters here were right - we predicted what the band will do! :woohoo:

View Poll Results: What should Fleetwood Mac do about Stevie Nicks since she refuses to record w/them?

They should kick her out of the band unless she agrees to participate in a new album. 16 17.98%
They should finish the album without her but let her tour with them. 17 19.10%
They should finish the album and do a small tour without her, but then do a big tour with her. 33 37.08%
They should replace her with someone else. 4 4.49%
They should just disband and end Fleetwood Mac. 4 4.49%
They should not record anything new and just tour with Stevie as Fleetwood Mac. 15 16.85%


(89 people voted all together; however, the album and the tour is not under FM moniker)

[mitzo]

Skip

where are you ???

Yes I have been noticing Skip's absence over the past few weeks and hoping nothing is wrong?!

[jbrownsjr]

looks like voters here were right - we predicted what the band will do! :woohoo:

View Poll Results: What should Fleetwood Mac do about Stevie Nicks since she refuses to record w/them?

They should kick her out of the band unless she agrees to participate in a new album. 16 17.98%
They should finish the album without her but let her tour with them. 17 19.10%
They should finish the album and do a small tour without her, but then do a big tour with her. 33 37.08%
They should replace her with someone else. 4 4.49%
They should just disband and end Fleetwood Mac. 4 4.49%
They should not record anything new and just tour with Stevie as Fleetwood Mac. 15 16.85%


(89 people voted all together; however, the album and the tour is not under FM moniker)

So glad it worked out!

[HomerMcvie]

Yesterday they were filming Stevie's concert in Pittsburgh. So this means a new DVD and a new CD, that according to Stevie it won't sell because people don't buy records anymore.
So I'm thinking about the purpose of this new DVD/CD.


Artists film shows all the time, and often don't put the effort into putting it out/doing post production. Hopefully you're right, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Was there someone "directing closeups"?:lol:

[dreamsunwind]

Yesterday they were filming Stevie's concert in Pittsburgh. So this means a new DVD and a new CD, that according to Stevie it won't sell because people don't buy records anymore.
So I'm thinking about the purpose of this new DVD/CD.

Or clearly there's another motive behind her decision to deny fans a new FM album.
I'm extremely dissapointed and her decision brought me closer to Lindsey and Christine. :woohoo:


I think it'll just be a DVD or a TV special or something, I don't think there will be a live CD.

[HomerMcvie]

I think it'll just be a DVD or a TV special or something, I don't think there will be a live CD.

Actually, I forget, and now that I read your comment, I remember that a friend told me that it was filmed for a PBS airing.

[Nathan]

Actually, I forget, and now that I read your comment, I remember that a friend told me that it was filmed for a PBS airing.


Yeah I was noticing in a couple of the Indy videos on YouTube there are big boom cameras floating around. She made mention of it right after gold and braid. Looked like a good gold and braid!

Where skip?

[HomerMcvie]

Yeah I was noticing in a couple of the Indy videos on YouTube there are big boom cameras floating around. She made mention of it right after gold and braid. Looked like a good gold and braid!

Where skip?

Yep. I wasn't there, but I watched a clip a friend posted last night from the Indy show, and he said that it was filmed for PBS.

I'm an hour south of Indy, and my best friend is the station manager for the PBS affiliate, but he's a real *(&^*% about burning off personal copies of programs for me. :mad: Because I ask him all the time! :mad::lol:

[Nathan]

Yep. I wasn't there, but I watched a clip a friend posted last night from the Indy show, and he said that it was filmed for PBS.

I'm an hour south of Indy, and my best friend is the station manager for the PBS affiliate, but he's a real *(&^*% about burning off personal copies of programs for me. :mad: Because I ask him all the time! :mad::lol:

I'll chip in 50

[HomerMcvie]

I'll chip in 50

I've tried to bribe him. Turns out that he has scruples! The NERVE!!!:mad::mad::mad:

[button-lip]

Artists film shows all the time, and often don't put the effort into putting it out/doing post production. Hopefully you're right, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Was there someone "directing closeups"?:lol:

I think that's why they will film it again tonight. They will probably film the rest of the concerts to see if they can at least put together a bunch of 20 decent close ups. If not, forget it. She will never approve it. :lol:

[HomerMcvie]

I think that's why they will film it again tonight. They will probably film the rest of the concerts to see if they can at least put together a bunch of 20 decent close ups. If not, forget it. She will never approve it. :lol:

Which is why the Tango DVD is practically unwatchable! Thanks, Stevie!:lol:

[jbrownsjr]

Which is why the Tango DVD is practically unwatchable! Thanks, Stevie!:lol:

Uhhh that video is horrible.

[HomerMcvie]

Uhhh that video is horrible.

It really is. It's an over produced piece of DUNG.

[jbrownsjr]

It really is. It's an over produced piece of DUNG.

It's like watching a bad memory. The director should be shot.

[jbrownsjr]

It really is. It's an over produced piece of DUNG.

If you listen to just the audio, it kicks ass. Especially, WTurning.

[HomerMcvie]

If you listen to just the audio, it kicks ass. Especially, WTurning.

I've not seen it for years... The vesturbation?:lol:

[SteveMacD]

If you listen to just the audio, it kicks ass. Especially, WTurning.

I Loved Another Woman, Isn't It Midnight, Oh Well, and Songbird are pretty great.

[jbrownsjr]

I Loved Another Woman, Isn't It Midnight, Oh Well, and Songbird are pretty great.

I recently saw a whole concert. I believe it was the BTM tour. Ft. Lauderdale.

The show was amazing. Video and audio quality aside. Lots of energy..

** back to the point. I love I Loved Another Woman off that video..

[vivfox]

Skip,where are you ???


Yes I have been noticing Skip's absence over the past few weeks and hoping nothing is wrong?!


Where skip?


He e mailed me yesterday. He's taking a break but he will be back. The SN bashing is hard for him to take.

[jwd]

Back to the poll at hand, what should FM do about Stevie Nicks? Which I think is kind of a crazy question at this point in the bands' itinerary. I mean really, Stevie Nicks and Fleetwood Mac are like somewhat inseparable at this point! What the band has decided to do by recording a Buckingham McVie record and then tour with Stevie is the absolute best way for them ALL to go forward. The other options are so passee.

[elle]

Back to the poll at hand, what should FM do about Stevie Nicks? Which I think is kind of a crazy question at this point in the bands' itinerary. I mean really, Stevie Nicks and Fleetwood Mac are like somewhat inseparable at this point! What the band has decided to do by recording a Buckingham McVie record and then tour with Stevie is the absolute best way for them ALL to go forward. The other options are so passee.

haha, but that's not the option they decided on, passe or not! :cool:

[jwd]

haha, but that's not the option they decided on, passe or not! :cool:


haha...so fill me in...what are they doing?

[elle]

haha...so fill me in...what are they doing?

you'd see it if you scrolled up a few posts but i'll help you out: :)

"They should finish the album and do a small tour without her, but then do a big tour with her."

by far best option for everyone's fans! of course, you can argue that a "small tour without her" is not really a FM tour, same as the album is not under FM moniker. :lol:

[jwd]

you'd see it if you scrolled up a few posts: :)

"They should finish the album and do a small tour without her, but then do a big tour with her."

by far best option for everyone's fans! of course, you can argue that a "small tour without her" is not really a FM tour, same as the album is not under FM moniker. :lol:

That's under the guise of FM not Buckingham McVie. And John and Mick are not touring with Lindsey and Chris, at least for the one show that we have confirmed.

[HomerMcvie]

same as the album is not under FM moniker. :lol:

Why isn't it under the FM moniker, since Mick and John are on the album?:wavey:

[jwd]

Why isn't it under the FM moniker, since Mick and John are on the album?:wavey:

Ask FM. This message is too short. So here.