Why so much Stevie hating?

[secret love]

Sup Ledgies?

Why all the hating on Miss Stephanie Lynn Nicks?

Stevie has been the most prolific band member in recent years. Lindsey comes a close second as his last album is now 5 years old, but he has been working on Fleetwood Mac songs for a new album for 4 years now. The only work Stevie Nicks has done towards a new band album is her late 2012 contributions to Extended Play, if they count.

Now Stevie and The Pretenders are embarking on a neat little 3 month US tour, undoubtedly cut short to make sure she is fresh and free for Fleetwood Mac's next outing in 2017. I'll be there! Booked my holiday today!

Now Christine has hinted that she would personally be willing to release the new Fleetwood Mac album sans (without) Stevie Nicks contributions.

Perhaps Lindsey is the only one holding out for Stevie, given Mick's similar views to Christine that have been publicly expressed?

John McVie has always appeared ambivalent about which writers contribute, that said he was happy Christine did not contribute to SYW album because he thought she would have been miserable in studio if she did.

So what's wrong with Stevie touring behind what in my opinion is her best album since The Other Side of the Mirror? In Your Dreams is great but it's easy listening, it was not one for us diehards only.

It is NOT Stevie's fault that there is no new album from Fleetwood Mac. It is time that some Ledgies and other angry fans accept this cold hard fact:

The only reason we do not have a new Fleetwood Mac studio album boils down to the unwillingness of four members to release their work without the involvement of the fifth member, Stevie Nicks.


There is absolutely nothing except pride or unwarranted respect or affection towards Stevie stopping a Buck/McVie duet album from coming out.

[FuzzyPlum]

I'm glad you explained the meaning of 'sans'.

[HomerMcvie]

The only reason we do not have a new Fleetwood Mac studio album boils down to the unwillingness of four members to release their work without the involvement of the fifth member, Stevie Nicks.




How about....because they would LIKE to honor the legacy of the FIVE FIREFLIES, and release something put forth by all of them, BUT, one person has been UNWILLING to participate.

Old goat breath just doesn't wanna join in.

If that doesn't explain the rather obvious to you, well, I don't know what to tell you.

But I do wish, very much so, that they'd release what they've recorded, sans(that means WITHOUT) the goaty one. :nod:

[iamnotafraid]

1. Why all the hating on Miss Stephanie Lynn Nicks?

2. Stevie has been the most prolific band member in recent years...

3. Now Stevie's little 3 month US tour, undoubtedly cut short to make sure she is fresh and free...

4. Now Christine has hinted that she would personally be willing to release the new Fleetwood Mac album sans (without) Stevie Nicks contributions.

5. Perhaps Lindsey is the only one holding out for Stevie, given Mick's similar views to Christine that have been publicly expressed?

6. So what's wrong with Stevie touring behind what in my opinion is her best album since The Other Side of the Mirror?

7. It is NOT Stevie's fault that there is no new album from Fleetwood Mac.

8. The only reason we do not have a new Fleetwood Mac studio album boils down to the unwillingness of four members to release their work without the involvement of the fifth member, Stevie Nicks.

9. There is absolutely nothing except pride or unwarranted respect or affection towards Stevie stopping a Buck/McVie duet album from coming out.


1. No new Fleetwood Mac album.

2. Prolific isn't a word I'd associate with any of them.

3. Stevie Fresh and Free. Too easy...

4. Christine can say things that Lindsey can't get away with.

5. Lindsey's not a whore like Mick. He cares more about the legacy.

6. That's not saying much.

7. Yes it is.

8. Reason is knowing there'll be less money without her.

9. Stevie's pride would be hurt if they released such an album.


I believe most fans wouldn't care about Stevie's little games if
the band wasn't running out of time. And even taking time off
for her own short tour wouldn't be a bad thing if she'd publicly
commit to a definite time frame.

Time is also running out for people to care about such
nonsense.

[johnnystorms]

1. No new Fleetwood Mac album.

2. Prolific isn't a word I'd associate with any of them.

3. Stevie Fresh and Free. Too easy...

4. Christine can say things that Lindsey can't get away with.

5. Lindsey's not a whore like Mick. He cares more about the legacy.

6. That's not saying much.

7. Yes it is.

8. Reason is knowing there'll be less money without her.

9. Stevie's pride would be hurt if they released such an album.


I believe most fans wouldn't care about Stevie's little games if
the band wasn't running out of time. And even taking time off
for her own short tour wouldn't be a bad thing if she'd publicly
commit to a definite time frame.

Time is also running out for people to care about such
nonsense.

5. Lindsey cares so much about the band's legacy, he bailed on an already-booked tour to promote what was essentially his solo album.

[Macfanforever]

They are upset at her because shes does not want to record that new album.Or she's delaying it.Also add they are still jealous that she's has a more successful solo career then the other Mac members.

[secret love]

I'm glad you explained the meaning of 'sans'.

Jesus H Christ. I already worried about putting the meaning of 'sans' next to it. Now multiple Ledgies feel the need to berate me for it and my views on Stevie situation. Typical. Totally predictable, guys!

[secret love]

5. Lindsey cares so much about the band's legacy, he bailed on an already-booked tour to promote what was essentially his solo album.

Which already booked solo Lindsey tour are you referring to? Is this 2003 or 2013 or an altogether different year that he did this?

[FuzzyPlum]

Jesus H Christ. I already worried about putting the meaning of 'sans' next to it. Now multiple Ledgies feel the need to berate me for it and my views on Stevie situation. Typical. Totally predictable, guys!

Sorry, I seem to have woken up grumpy this morning.
However, there are so many threads in which this topic is discussed at great length- I don't get the need for yet another thread in which everyone goes round and round over the same arguments yet again.
...but yes, pointing out the meaning of a term does come across as a bit daft. You might as well have written 'without' in the first place if you feel the need to explain to people what sans means- it would have saved you time. Sorry to be nit-picky.

[sleepless child]

Basically, if you are in a band, you do what the majority rules. Stevie is doing her own thing. She appears to only want to tour with the Mac. We've seen them on a million tours. If there is a chance for new music, that is very exciting. I think if all you want to do is tour, then you are just an oldies act.

[AlexD]

Because she isn't that great!

[SisterNightroad]

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[Danielle]

Because she isn't that great!

This makes no sense to me, but what do I know? When I think something isn't "that great", I feel absolutely no hate, I simply ignore it.
Maybe the reason some ledgies hate Stevie is that even though she isn't "that great", FM still hasn't been able to release music without her.

In my opinion, Stevie is obviously wonderful though.

[HomerMcvie]

Know what?

The threads IS ASKING why there seems to be a lot of Stevie hate these days.

So if you feel like taking offense that people are responding, with answers to the question!!!, maybe you should'nt read the thread.

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies...



I personally am sort of amazed at the way she is perceived here, now. A decade ago, it seemed like 98% of Ledgies worshiped her. Clearly, that is no longer the case. THANK GOD.

[fleetwoodguy79]

Not so much hate but distain for her at this point in her career.

The unthinkable occurred - Christine is back. Why would Stevie hold out? The band doesn't have much time left for all 5. IMO, Stevie and Lindsey should hold their solo careers until the band is no longer a unit. Use this time to release and album and tour while they still can.

While I'm a huge Lindsey fan and this may sound biased (because it is), I'm kind of glad that this has finally come full circle. Steve's diva nature has never been an attractive point for me although it allowed for her to flourish in her heyday. Lindsey, on the other hand, is finally being respected. During his heyday, he always seemed to be second place and fighting for respect.

I truly hope that Steve comes around and contributes in a very positive way - not in a SYW sort of way (Hey Lindsey, that goes for you too) - where she comes to the studio with songs for the BAND. The distain will subside if she comes back to contribute.

[bwboy]

It's possible to answer the question without insulting anyone, either on this board or in the band.

Apparently, some people here are po'ed at Stevie because they think she's being selfish for not working on a new FM album.

The rest of the band COULD release a FM album with just Lindsey, Christine, John, and Mick; however, I believe that the band and record label are concerned that without Stevie, the album would sell about the same as a solo Lindsey Buckingham album. Maybe it would sell better than that, but I think that's a concern for them. Certainly the band doesn't want this album to tank like Time did, they want an album with the name Fleetwood Mac to sell AT LEAST as well as Say You Will. At least.

I would love an album with all 5 members, but I would still buy it without Stevie. I was disappointed when Lindsey left the band, but I ended up loving Behind the Mask. But I certainly didn't resent him for not making another album with the band. He had his reasons, so who was I to judge?

[olive]

why is it a different in opinion is automatically HATE ? /Hater ? ( the word hater is the one thing to surpass edge walk ,that i actually hate ;)

[SisterNightroad]

the word hater is the one thing to surpass edge walk ,that i actually hate
But now that makes you a hater, what will you do?

[olive]

But now that makes you a hater, what will you do?

pass the blame to someone else :]

[shackin'up]

I don't hate Stevie. At all. I've just had it with her because of the fact she does not join in on the album after Christine returned. I simply don't understand.

The fact that they have not brought out the album under FM name is probably because they contracted the name to Mick John Stevie and Lindsey in the last decade. Not just for the money: selling records does not smoke their chimney anymore. And the tour is already contracted, that is the moneymaker.

The fact that Stevie does not join in is holding them hostage in being a real Fleetwood Mac with new work.

Don't Forget: they recorded everything with Stevie's voice in mind. It is simply very disappointing that she leaves them hanging. That does not make me hate Stevie, that makes me hate her behaviour. Blerghh.

[bwboy]

why is it a different in opinion is automatically HATE ? /Hater ? ( the word hater is the one thing to surpass edge walk ,that i actually hate ;)

It's the rudeness used to describe band members that I'm referring to as hate or negativity, not a difference of opinion. There are examples on this thread.

[bwboy]

The fact that they have not brought out the album under FM name is probably because they contracted the name to Mick John Stevie and Lindsey in the last decade. Not just for the money: selling records does not smoke their chimney anymore. And the tour is already contracted, that is the moneymaker.

The fact that Stevie does not join in is holding them hostage in being a real Fleetwood Mac with new work.

I don't think there's any contractual issue involved at all. There wasn't when Lindsey left after Tango or when Stevie left after Behind the Mask. Plus, even if there was a contract in the last decade, as you say, then Stevie would HAVE to record with them. Steve's not keeping them from releasing an album as Fleetwood Mac.

[~*BellaDonna*~]

As with other Ledgies, I too, am quite frustrated with her shenanigans and we have the right to express our opinions. But, some seem to go above and beyond what is necessary, especially the childish name calling that so many think is funny. -NEWS FLASH- it really isn't that funny, it's immature internet behaviour coming from adults, which is just sad.

[Andrew Smith]

Christine said in an interview recently with BBC Radio 2 that a Fleetwood Mac tour for 2017 was definite and everything was signed on the dotted line (as she worded it).

Am I to presume that this tour will feature Stevie, even though she currently seems to be off doing her own thing and there are rumours (sorry for the pun) that she is currently reluctant to work with Fleetwood Mac?

[shackin'up]

I don't think there's any contractual issue involved at all. There wasn't when Lindsey left after Tango or when Stevie left after Behind the Mask. Plus, even if there was a contract in the last decade, as you say, then Stevie would HAVE to record with them. Steve's not keeping them from releasing an album as Fleetwood Mac.

You can contract the name without contracting releases. They could have done that after Lindsey returned, and morphed his Gift Of Screws in Say You Will.

[olive]

It's the rudeness used to describe band members that I'm referring to as hate or negativity, not a difference of opinion. There are examples on this thread.

i don't interpret it that way i see it as an opinion from someone i have no idea who they are and if if feels like pot stirring i laugh and move on and don't feed into it

[MikeVielhaber]

Christine said in an interview recently with BBC Radio 2 that a Fleetwood Mac tour for 2017 was definite and everything was signed on the dotted line (as she worded it).

Am I to presume that this tour will feature Stevie, even though she currently seems to be off doing her own thing and there are rumours (sorry for the pun) that she is currently reluctant to work with Fleetwood Mac?

Stevie has even said she will do the tour. She has declined to work in the studio with the band, however.

[MikeVielhaber]

I don't think there's any contractual issue involved at all. There wasn't when Lindsey left after Tango or when Stevie left after Behind the Mask. Plus, even if there was a contract in the last decade, as you say, then Stevie would HAVE to record with them. Steve's not keeping them from releasing an album as Fleetwood Mac.

Plus, Christine says releasing an album without Stevie is a possibility. She said they hope to be done with the songs they have by the end of the year while also keeping the door open for Stevie should she have a change of heart.

[michelej1]

Which already booked solo Lindsey tour are you referring to? Is this 2003 or 2013 or an altogether different year that he did this?

1987. At least Lindsey left them with an album to tour with. And he didn't leave to promote his solo album, which didn't even come out until 1992, five years after he bailed.

Michele

[fleetwoodguy79]

Christine said in an interview recently with BBC Radio 2 that a Fleetwood Mac tour for 2017 was definite and everything was signed on the dotted line (as she worded it).

Am I to presume that this tour will feature Stevie, even though she currently seems to be off doing her own thing and there are rumours (sorry for the pun) that she is currently reluctant to work with Fleetwood Mac?

Release it without Stevie, tour it, and have her leave the stage when the new songs are played!

That won't damage her ego; not in the slightest.

[olive]

Release it without Stevie, tour it, and have her leave the stage when the new songs are played!

That won't damage her ego; not in the slightest.

Replace her with her good friend Sheryl Crow ( i can't believe i typed that )

[aleuzzi]

I don't hate her. But boy am I pissed. At her. And the other four. I want new music. Supposedly, Chris and Lindsey are in the studio this month working on it. I wish we had confirmation of that. What I hate is all the media wars between these people, someone asserting something ("we're going forward with a new album and have plenty of songs") and then taking it back ("If an album comes out..."), and all the push and pull politics that are making us fans who are hungry for new songs frustrated beyond belief.

Bottom line: when is the new music coming? Timeline timeline timeline. Updates to give the fans and the music journalists much needed clarity.

New music. Period. New music.

[sue]

I think the aversion to Stevie goes further back than blaming her for not having new music.....
I'm not sure why its there, maybe they dislike Stevie because of her ego and because she comes across as a Diva...
Don't know why this hatred is there....and hatred is maybe to strong a word to use.

[jbrownsjr]

1987. At least Lindsey left them with an album to tour with. And he didn't leave to promote his solo album, which didn't even come out until 1992, five years after he bailed.

Michele

He left because of Stevie and somewhat Mick's drug use. He couldn't take the drug behavior from her. She was an absolute mess.

[shackin'up]

I think the aversion to Stevie goes further back than blaming her for not having new music.....
I'm not sure why its there, maybe they dislike Stevie because of her ego and because she comes across as a Diva...
Don't know why this hatred is there....and hatred is maybe to strong a word to use.

She disappointed me with the quality of her songs after Mirage.

[jbrownsjr]

She disappointed me with the quality of her songs after Mirage.

I just listened to Bella Donna and her voice was so amazing. (I wish she could still write like that.) She still has moments that really capture me, "Illume". But far and few between. She is just so nasal it's like nails on a chalkboard, sometimes.

[aleuzzi]

I just listened to Bella Donna and her voice was so amazing. (I wish she could still write like that.) She still has moments that really capture me, "Illume". But far and few between. She is just so nasal it's like nails on a chalkboard, sometimes.

I do love Illume. She's always been an uneven songwriter, especially since 1985 onward, but when the songs hit, they totally hit: Illume, Everybody Finds Out, Throw Down, Blue Denim, Annabelle Lee...

The problem these days is, as you noticed, her voice. The song Lady is incredible, but it's a one-off, the strained vocal actually fits the theme and feel of the song.

[sue]

I just listened to Bella Donna and her voice was so amazing. (I wish she could still write like that.) She still has moments that really capture me, "Illume". But far and few between. She is just so nasal it's like nails on a chalkboard, sometimes.

My husband won't listen to SYW for that very reason....Stevie's voice in his opinion, has no light and dark, no shade it is just a nasal drone...

[Hawkeye]

It's the rudeness used to describe band members that I'm referring to as hate or negativity, not a difference of opinion. There are examples on this thread.


You in particular should not be allowed to speak up on rudeness to band members due to the insane comments about a new fleetwood Mac album being a lindsey solo album.


Sorry to signal you out but it's very true.

[Macfanforever]

I wish these hit jobs against any members of FM will stop.This is worse then those hot topics that were in the chit chat section months ago.

[SisterNightroad]

The fact is that there's a thin line between a negative opinion and a gratuitous verbal aggression.
People usually use their hobbies to vent everyday frustration and internet places are perfect to take a step further and give an outlet to dissatisfaction through outbursts.
Unfortunately this kind of thing often generates a vicious cycle in which other people respond to negative statements with other more negative statements.
In this cases the best thing to do would be to ignore all the affirmations that seem just gratuitously aggressive.

[jbrownsjr]

My husband won't listen to SYW for that very reason....Stevie's voice in his opinion, has no light and dark, no shade it is just a nasal drone...

And then they do effects on her voice on that album that make it worse.
Like someone's holding her nose while she sings.

I did like the last part of In Your Dreams. Some good writing on that album.

[jbrownsjr]

You in particular should not be allowed to speak up on rudeness to band members due to the insane comments about a new fleetwood Mac album being a lindsey solo album.


Sorry to signal you out but it's very true.

Exactly, it's kind of like let me stir the pot and then step back and watch all these ledgies fight. (I saw it a mile away.)
btw.. I miss you Hawkeye.. you need to post more..

[Macfanforever]

I'm a fan of Randy Travis and they say that he sings through his nose.I have to say that Randy is 100 percent better then todays artists and so is Stevie.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm a fan of Randy Travis and they say that he sings through his nose.I have to say that Randy is 100 percent better then todays artists and so is Stevie.

First, I like him. But yeah, it's an acquired taste. Very subjective.

[~*BellaDonna*~]

Um, I think this thread is getting a tad bit overheated and should be closed. We've all put our thoughts on this matter and we need to move on.

Plus, this was a rather redundant thread to begin with. All it really is, is members complaining about other members complaining. Really? That doesn't make a bit of sense!

(I know I voiced my thoughts on this a few days ago and I'm not trying to be a hypocrite, but since I left my comment a few days ago, it seems as though that the anger on this thread is getting it a bit serious and I had to say something about it).

[mylittledemon]

Sup Ledgies?

Why all the hating on Miss Stephanie Lynn Nicks?

Stevie has been the most prolific band member in recent years. Lindsey comes a close second as his last album is now 5 years old, but he has been working on Fleetwood Mac songs for a new album for 4 years now. The only work Stevie Nicks has done towards a new band album is her late 2012 contributions to Extended Play, if they count.


With this band I count "recent" as the last ten years, or whatever has gone on since Say You Will. Lindsey has been undoubtedly more prolific than Stevie in that time.

Anyway... I for one am not hating on Stevie. I'm disappointed that all the focus is now no longer on Christine's return and getting back in the studio as a 5-piece. The return of Christine should've been built up (and this is where the band always falters on stuff like this) more like the event that it was. A small portion of hell froze over when Christine came back. I would've done a live show again ala The Dance, or maybe even a Fleetwood Mac Unplugged special. Something that showcased a few new tunes even... stories between songs where Chris says how much she missed her friends. Show the band members interacting and build that pre-excitement for a new album. The band has let all that wane. It's almost, and I may be wrong here, it's almost as if the drama now takes precedence over the music, and I'm kinda sorta... well... sick of that. The band is, frankly, far too old to be playing about with Rumours-esque behaviour. Not that there's really a genuine comparison between then and now, and I know there's always been a bit of drama with this band... but at this point in time I'm just saying be a band. Bands tour. Bands make music together. Get on with it!

[bwboy]

You in particular should not be allowed to speak up on rudeness to band members due to the insane comments about a new fleetwood Mac album being a lindsey solo album.


Sorry to signal you out but it's very true.

No problem, but I don't think I said anything rude in that thread. I didn't mock any of the band members or call them names, or anybody on this board, either. If I did, feel free to bring my attention to it. I stand by my opinion, and wasn't rude when I stated it.

[SisterNightroad]

I would've done a live show again ala The Dance, or maybe even a Fleetwood Mac Unplugged special. Something that showcased a few new tunes even... stories between songs where Chris says how much she missed her friends.
Yes, I would have liked that!
It would have been cool if it was an unplugged show where they played both a new tunes, deep cuts that they never played before (I don't wanna know, that's alright etc.) and newly arrangeed old staples.

[mylittledemon]

^Exactly. Something for everyone to see, not just for those lucky folks who went to see the tour.

[sorcerer999]

I'm disappointed that all the focus is now no longer on Christine's return and getting back in the studio as a 5-piece. The return of Christine should've been built up (and this is where the band always falters on stuff like this) more like the event that it was.

I would've done a live show again ala The Dance, or maybe even a Fleetwood Mac Unplugged special. Something that showcased a few new tunes even...The band has let all that wane. It's almost, and I may be wrong here, it's almost as if the drama now takes precedence over the music, and I'm kinda sorta... well... sick of that.

The band is, frankly, far too old to be playing about with Rumours-esque behaviour. Be a band. Bands tour. Bands make music together. Get on with it!

YES! :xoxo: THANK YOU, Brandon, for always being the "voice of reason" on this forum and keeping a level head. That's IT, exactly. It was all a wasted opportunity. After Chris' return, they immediately did the "cash grab" tour instead of planning out new projects. That was a huge mistake.

I think the two major culprits who are using this "Rumours-esque drama" and making it take precedence over the music is most definitely Stevie and Mick. They have both done that for decades.

I love Stevie. Always will. I adore both her work with Fleetwood Mac and her solo career. But I'm really stumped as to why she doesn't want to jump back in the saddle with the Mac after her "best friend" returned to the band. Like you, it makes me irritated with her. We all want to know why. Does it truly have to do with her "unpleasant experience" with Lindsey during the making of SYW? She seemed like she was in a better place with him during the making of her solo album when he contributed to "Soldier's Angel".

I truly believe that, like every other project since her solo career started, she's just playing out the drama for the sake of playing out the drama. She feeds off of it and I don't understand why. Mick is just as guilty. They go out together, are seen at public events, claim to be "best friends" but then dish on each other in the press. It all seems calculated. As if stirring up emotions within their fan base with eventually help the promotion of a new album when it comes out. (And I have no doubt it WILL come out, with all 5 of them.) I think back to the Rolling Stone article right about the time that Mirage was coming out with the slug line "Fleetwood Mac and The Problem With Stevie" or something to that effect. I think back to the whole Chain Boxed Set Silver Springs debacle.

You're right, Brandon. The band (or more specifically, Stevie and Mick) are ALL WAY TOO OLD to keep up the drama. It's tired. No one cares anymore. We just want new music. Skip to it. On with the show!!!

[BlueLantern]

I'm just sorry to hear this and I wish Stevie would clear calendar and make it a priority to co-create some new music with her Mac bandmates just one more time. It is such a great fortune that they're all alive and healthy, and that won't always be the case, and a change can happen fast. I'm so glad I saw them together, sounding and looking terrific, in 2014.

[Macfanforever]

First, I like him. But yeah, it's an acquired taste. Very subjective.

Yes,He has a wild life but I do enjoy his music.Mac members are mellow compared to him in what he went though.

[mylittledemon]

I think the two major culprits who are using this "Rumours-esque drama" and making it take precedence over the music is most definitely Stevie and Mick.

But I'm really stumped as to why she doesn't want to jump back in the saddle with the Mac after her "best friend" returned to the band. Like you, it makes me irritated with her. We all want to know why. Does it truly have to do with her "unpleasant experience" with Lindsey during the making of SYW?

I truly believe that, like every other project since her solo career started, she's just playing out the drama for the sake of playing out the drama. She feeds off of it and I don't understand why. I think back to the whole Chain Boxed Set Silver Springs debacle.

You're right, Brandon. The band (or more specifically, Stevie and Mick) are ALL WAY TOO OLD to keep up the drama. It's tired. No one cares anymore. We just want new music. Skip to it. On with the show!!!

Well to be fair to Stevie, and Mick, or any of them really, we can never know what it's like being them. I'm certain that their "world" could never fully be grasped by us. All we get is what we hear and read in today's well-spun media, and for the rest of it we have to guess what it's like to walk in their shoes.

And in Stevie's defence, I don't wish to compare Lindsey to Stevie when I say this, but it does seem that Lindsey has played the "drama card" less and less since Say You Will. Maybe having a family mellowed him out a bit in that regard. I think perhaps that Stevie's experience with Lindsey, to some degree, must always be unpleasant given their history. It's always a kinda sorta love-hate thing, right? I try imagining myself in that situation. Having to see one of the great loves of my life constantly after having broken up? Having to make music with that person? Having to see that person frequently over the years? I don't know if I could do that. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that I couldn't do that. And so I guess being in the center of that and not walking away from that person (as most people in normal life would do) would inherently cause drama. Even if your intentions are not to cause any drama, it's probably bound to happen, especially with the band given the creative and emotional environment they're in. I liken it to being around crazy family members. You take a vacation to see them, and if you know your family well enough (and how much they irk you) maybe you only plan to visit for 3 days. Because if it were any more than that, you run the risk of killing one another, right? :lol:

Stevie's even said in the past that her lifestyle is hotel rooms (but no more than 3 days) haha... and it's romance... and her dogs... and poetry... and whatever else. Her life is totally about her music, right? So again, I'd wager that explains part of the "drama" from her. Her entire world is her songs. So what I think is drastic (ie. not reconvening with the Mac and staying with them) is just business as usual for her. Or rather it's a non issue for her. She's just got other work to do. I think she even says she gets bored doing the same thing over and over. Add the pressure of having to be around Lindsey all the time when the band is together, and whatever feelings that may instigate, and the cauldron of drama continues to perpetuate itself. While I've grown very weary of it, for the band it just is. It's life as they know it. And like Lindsey once said when asked about Mick and Stevie's affair, "Well... that's rock and roll."

[Macfanforever]

If its true that Stevie does not want to work with FM in the studio and dont want to deal with the studio bickering .I cant blame her for not dealing with them "No names mentioned" anymore in the studio.I'm not going to condemn her for not doing this new album like others here are doing.If the Mac decides to dump her .So that will be it.I'm not going to condemn FM for doing so either.The way of the news media people are operating lately .I dont believe any written print articles and print interviews these days with the BS fabrication they come up with on anybody they are writing about .So if Stevie and the rest of FM does an interview.I rather see their faces on TV.

[shackin'up]

I love Stevie. Always will. I adore both her work with Fleetwood Mac and her solo career. But I'm really stumped as to why she doesn't want to jump back in the saddle with the Mac after her "best friend" returned to the band. Like you, it makes me irritated with her. We all want to know why.

This. I totally agree. And then, that best friend has a very enthusiastic response to the togetherness with Lindsey in the studio. So he must have been respectful, giving and coöperative.

So.. There's no SYW-Lindsey, no Tango-Lindsey, but a 65+ Lindsey that took his controlfreakiness into three solo-albums and just wants to make a real FM popalbum. It's unbelievable that she blocks it, and she doesn't want to write music with her band and best friend. It's hairpullingly irritating.

[secondhandchain]

1) Because she's ruining the chances of one last FM album with all five.
2) She's been very negative lately of Lindsey and his studio skills. (five thousand over dubs when the song was good already)
3) She seems to crave the attention on stage and could care less about new music.
4) she lies about needing time off as her excuse not to record with FM and then goes on a useless solo tour two years after her record has been out.

I used to be a huge fan, but have soured.

[iamnotafraid]

2) She's been very negative lately of Lindsey and his studio skills.

I used to be a huge fan, but have soured.

Alec seems to think it has more to due
with Lindsey being of German descent.
And we all know what Stevie thinks of
Germans. Truth of the matter, most
Europeans.

[sue]

[QUOTE=secondhandchain;1193989

3) She seems to crave the attention on stage and could care less about new music.

Can't agree with this reason....we saw them on the last tour in Leeds and she wasn't in the limelight on stage anymore than anyone else...

In fact apart from GDW solo she was very quiet....sort of.

I have my own theory regarding new music....she's dried up as far as writing new stuff....

[Andrew Smith]

I really hope that Stevie decides to re-join for one last studio album, if Christine and Lindsey are saying they've got strong material written.

This would be the first studio album to feature "the famous five" line-up since Tango In The Night in 1987.

Also, this time it's unlikely that Lindsey would walk from the album's subsequent tour.

[jbrownsjr]

Everyone needs to take everything easy and show me a smile.

[KenshiMaster16]

I don't hate Stevie. At all. I've just had it with her because of the fact she does not join in on the album after Christine returned. I simply don't understand.

The fact that they have not brought out the album under FM name is probably because they contracted the name to Mick John Stevie and Lindsey in the last decade. Not just for the money: selling records does not smoke their chimney anymore. And the tour is already contracted, that is the moneymaker.

The fact that Stevie does not join in is holding them hostage in being a real Fleetwood Mac with new work.

Don't Forget: they recorded everything with Stevie's voice in mind. It is simply very disappointing that she leaves them hanging. That does not make me hate Stevie, that makes me hate her behaviour. Blerghh.

Agreed, word for word.

[olive]

Everyone needs to take everything easy and show me a smile.

my first mistake was to smile at you

https://colleenfigg.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/pb7.jpg

[FuzzyPlum]

Everyone needs to take everything easy and show me a smile.


Believe me, that's the way I feel too. I'm totally dissatisfied.

[mylittledemon]

Everyone needs to take everything easy and show me a smile.

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/the-smile-man-willen-dafoe-creepy.gif

[SisterNightroad]

Everyone needs to take everything easy and show me a smile.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/olveBOhevu0/hqdefault.jpg

[mikeymac]

Not hate but disappointed...frustrated...etc. First of all for me it would have made sense if Stevie simply used the 24 karat songs for the new FM album (they mostly started as FM songs over the years anyway). Had she done that, the album would likely have been out by now. Second for me is 24 Karat was released 2 years ago; how is this a 24 Karat tour? What has she been doing for 2 years! So 2 kicks to the side to the band; it seems obvious where her priorities are. They would naturally prefer to have her, but how long should they wait? Maybe she should just quit the band rather than leave them hanging?

[Macfanforever]

Alec seems to think it has more to due
with Lindsey being of German descent.
And we all know what Stevie thinks of
Germans. Truth of the matter, most
Europeans.

Will I got German in my blood.I guess I'm in trouble.LOL.Plus French and Italian plus my stepfathers Irish got rubbed in to me.LOL.It could be why sometime I get an attitude on here at times.Sorry about that.

[jbrownsjr]

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/the-smile-man-willen-dafoe-creepy.gif

Chiffon heads!!!

[Fleetwood Jack]

That's interesting, I never new the one and only Buck Lindsey was of German descent. That's cool to know.

May I ask though what exactly is it that Stevie thinks about Europeans? I didn't know she said anything. When did she say what she said?

[SisterNightroad]

That's interesting, I never new the one and only Buck Lindsey was of German descent. That's cool to know.

May I ask though what exactly is it that Stevie thinks about Europeans? I didn't know she said anything. When did she say what she said?
He's probably trolling.

[iamnotafraid]

Wow. Thanks a lot.

[mylittledemon]

Chiffon heads!!!

LOL yes. All of them.

[jbrownsjr]

LOL yes. All of them.

My face during the night of 1000 Stevies... lol

[mylittledemon]

^:lol: Never been, but... I can only imagine.

[jbrownsjr]

^:lol: Never been, but... I can only imagine.

I don't even want to think about it.

[Nathan]

Wow. Thanks a lot.

I vant to know too

[SisterNightroad]

Wow. Thanks a lot.
You should have known by now how we Eruropeans are.

[iamnotafraid]

I vant to know too

About Alec or his comments concerning
Stevie and her feelings towards Europeans?

Trust me, you don't want to know about
Alec.

[iamnotafraid]

You should have known by now how we Eruropeans are.

They're very sensitive it seems.

What Alec says doesn't necessarily
reflect my own thoughts or views. He's
just an ole' curmudgeon.

Now back to why we hate Stevie...

[TheWildHeart67]

Lindsey is a jerk and treats Stevie like crap.
While I would LOVE a new FM studio album, I respect Stevie's wish to do her solo desires and her reasons for not dealing with Lindsey in the studio.
I still think Stevie will eventually come through and contribute her parts to a new FM album.

[louielouie2000]

Lindsey is a jerk and treats Stevie like crap.

He sure seemed to be extraordinarily patient and complementary of her in the Destiny Rules documentary. He might have been a jerk to her in the 70s and 80s, but he seems to be pretty chill since he married & became a father.

[elle]

Lindsey is a jerk and treats Stevie like crap.
While I would LOVE a new FM studio album, I respect Stevie's wish to do her solo desires and her reasons for not dealing with Lindsey in the studio.
I still think Stevie will eventually come through and contribute her parts to a new FM album.

talking about spreading hatred!

[shackin'up]

Lindsey is a jerk and treats Stevie like crap.
While I would LOVE a new FM studio album, I respect Stevie's wish to do her solo desires and her reasons for not dealing with Lindsey in the studio.
I still think Stevie will eventually come through and contribute her parts to a new FM album.

Ask Christine what a jerk he is. You're talking crap here.
And why should she work with that jerk eventually, and not together with her old girlfriend when she could?

[Nathan]

About Alec or his comments concerning
Stevie and her feelings towards Europeans?

Trust me, you don't want to know about
Alec.

BOTH. :blob2:

[Macfanforever]

Its starting to get hot in the kitchen here .I'm talking about The Ledge kitchen.LOL.....

[jbrownsjr]

talking about spreading hatred!

When you go back and read a lot of it, you can see who is spreading hate. lol Especially, when a lot of fans were just excited to get music from the 4 piece. lol

[paleshadow]

I think Lindsey and Stevie both have very strong egos, but they just project them in different ways. Lindsey comes across to me as a little passive aggressive, where Stevie just blurts out stuff that isn't always justified or accurate. They both need to get over themselves. :rolleyes:

[SisterNightroad]

I think Lindsey and Stevie both have very strong egos, but they just project them in different ways. Lindsey comes across to me as a little passive aggressive, where Stevie just blurts out stuff that isn't always justified or accurate. They both need to get over themselves. :rolleyes:
This is probably much closer to reality than all the previous comment.
I also think that maybe also Mick, John and Chris aren't saints.

[jbrownsjr]

This is probably much closer to reality than all the previous comment.
I also think that maybe also Mick, John and Chris aren't saints.

I think the three English quietly throw shade.

[SisterNightroad]

I think the three English quietly throw shade.
Ah ah, yes, I can see it. Talking trash and gossiping while sipping tea.

[WayOfTheDragon]

I think the three English quietly throw shade.

This reminded me of some remarks Bob Welch made during one of his Q&A's on the Penguin site, so I did some digging to find his exact words:

"The thing I wish that all the fans would realize about FM, is that everyone, Stevie , Lindsey, Rick Vito , Billy, Bekka, Bob Weston etc are all really nice and fun people, the SOURPUSSES, are, and have always been, in my opinion, Mick, John and Chris, who have tended to act as if they were English "royalty" and "Better" than everybody else.
I'll tell you another little secret that is not known at all except to a few close "insiders" and me. I met Lindsey once at Chuck's Steak House, ( next to the old "Record Plant" studios) on Melrose in LA after Lindsey had been in the band maybe 6 months, and was in the middle of recording the white album. We had a couple of beers and then he confided in me, "how the hell did you stand it?" he asked me. I knew immediately what he meant...the "emotional atmosphere" created by Mick, John and Chris, all together in the same room could get intolerable at times. Imagine being locked in a room, for MONTHS at a time, with the 3 of your relatives that make you the most uncomfortable ! Maybe there is your uncle, who is always drunk, and who you have to "humor". Then there is your maiden aunt, who is alternately crotchety or making "crotch" references, and who is unmercifully sarcastic to boot. Then there is your brother who, although bright, has a slight learning disability, and rather than talk, he prefers to communicate in his own brand of "body English", gestures, and eye movements ! All of you are together in this tiny room trying to think up music, and it's costing you 300$ an hour to be there. Months go by...eyes are still rolling, sarcasm still flying, people never "say what they mean" and you have to keep guessing, flying blind. And it's still costing you 300$ an hour to do this.
Any body who EVER was in FM, had to put up with some version of this.
In the end, Lindsey was actually thinking of leaving FM 6 months after he joined...he didn't know if he could "take" it. At Chuck's, I told him, "you got 2 choices; get out, or swallow hard, bite the bullet and hang in there". I told Lindsey that this was a great "shot" for him, and if he could just persist with these people, like I had for five years, it might all be worth it. Maybe my advice helped him, or not...but he stayed."
Source: http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/qa/bobwelch_qa3.htm

[jbrownsjr]

This reminded me of some remarks Bob Welch made during one of his Q&A's on the Penguin site, so I did some digging to find his exact words:


Source: http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/qa/bobwelch_qa3.htm

I remember this, clearly. And then to think LB had to deal with SN later.. her affair with Mick and heavy drug use..

No wonder Lindsey got so angry!! lol

[SisterNightroad]

This reminded me of some remarks Bob Welch made during one of his Q&A's on the Penguin site, so I did some digging to find his exact words:


Source: http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/qa/bobwelch_qa3.htm
Very interesting, thanks!

[Nathan]

Thanks for the links, totally interesting.

I'm just listening to the limo tapes (four parts) and at one point, Chris says to Stevie, "Were you kidding or were you out of it?"

[aleuzzi]

This reminded me of some remarks Bob Welch made during one of his Q&A's on the Penguin site, so I did some digging to find his exact words:


Source: http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/qa/bobwelch_qa3.htm

I remember these remarks by Bob. They had a ring of truth about them. Christine can be sarcastic, John can be dark and moody, and Mick can be a drama queen. Ken Caillat also admitted that Christine was no picnic to work with ("That's a stupid ****ing shirt!"). She is practically mocking Stevie to her face on the Tusk documentary outtake ("Angels in the background.") But context is everything. Could you imagine working at the boards hour after hour watching and listening to Stevie describe the magnificence of her own work? I'd hurl.

At the time Lindsey allegedly met with Bob, he had been battling with John about John's bass parts. Mick discusses this in his book. There was also a definite pecking order in the band, with Fleetwood and the McVies at the top. Lindsey was used to being top dog in his duo; he was used to controlling all the musical decisions. I'm sure contending with the British core trio must have frustrated him. That, as the music reveals, was best for all parties involved.

Another consideration: Bob was pissed at Mick, John, and especially Chris during that Q and A. They shut him out of the RRHOF, and basically ignored his legacy presumably because he sued them--a bitter and ironic echo of the 1974 lineup's battle with Clifford Davis. Before this, all of Bob's previous remarks about the band (admittedly decades earlier) were overwhelmingly positive. Take a look at The Dance rehearsal interviews. At one point Mick offhandedly mentions Bob's unexpected departure from the band. Christine visibly stiffens and coldly says "the writing was on the wall." John echoes Christine's words. Clearly that lawsuit was a source of bitter contention. So, in all, I don't know if Bob's assessment of the Brits is entirely fair or accurate.

[louielouie2000]

Another consideration: Bob was pissed at Mick, John, and especially Chris during that Q and A. They shut him out of the RRHOF, and basically ignored his legacy. He, in turn, sued them--a bitter and ironic echo of the 1974 lineup's battle with Clifford Davis. Before this, all of Bob's previous remarks about the band (admittedly decades earlier) were overwhelmingly positive. Take a look at The Dance rehearsal interviews. At one point Mick offhandedly mentions Bob's unexpected departure from the band. Christine visibly stiffens and coldly says "the writing was on the wall." John echoes Christine's words. Clearly that lawsuit was a source of bitter contention. So, in all, I don't know if Bob's assessment of the Brits is entirely fair or accurate.

This was my immediate thought. Except I think you have your dates out of order- I believe Bob sued the band for unpaid royalties first, which caused Christine (allegedly) to block Bob's admission into the RRHOF. In any case, there were definitely sour grapes when Bob did his Q&As here. Later on, he also wasn't pleased with Stevie and Lindsey, either. He claimed fame had insulated them to an unhealthy degree. He lashed out against them for not helping with a fundraiser for his wife, etc.

I think in the end, Bob was just bitter with the entertainment industry. He was bitter with the way it treated his parents (his Father was a producer and screenwriter, and his Mother a singer and actress). See his solo song Devil Wind for proof. He was bitter with the way the entertainment industry treated him. I think to survive and flourish in the industry, you have to be ruthless, relentless, and calculating. Bob seemed to be none of those things- he was wistful, caring, and principled.

[Missy]

This is one of the reasons why I haven't been posting lately. I can deal with it in the general comments section I guess. But the negativity is even in the Stevie Nicks part of the site. I don't understand - if you just don't like somebody, why do you have to enter a section of a site that is dedicated to them just to bash them? It's not something that I would do. I respect that we all have different tastes and I don't feel the need to go on a forum of someone I don't like so much to try and derail fan discussions. It's just rude, ungracious and impolite.

No artist is perfect, and none of them should be above some constructive criticism. But I've seen it going beyond that. Sometimes it feels more like a site of haters rather than a group of people with an interest in the subject. I'm disappointed.

They've all given out a lot during the years and have the right now to do whatever makes them happy. Whether solo or together.

[sorcerer999]

This is one of the reasons why I haven't been posting lately. I can deal with it in the general comments section I guess. But the negativity is even in the Stevie Nicks part of the site. I don't understand - if you just don't like somebody, why do you have to enter a section of a site that is dedicated to them just to bash them? It's not something that I would do. I respect that we all have different tastes and I don't feel the need to go on a forum of someone I don't like so much to try and derail fan discussions. It's just rude, ungracious and impolite.

No artist is perfect, and none of them should be above some constructive criticism. But I've seen it going beyond that. Sometimes it feels more like a site of haters rather than a group of people with an interest in the subject. I'm disappointed.

They've all given out a lot during the years and have the right now to do whatever makes them happy. Whether solo or together.

:xoxo: THANK YOU!!!

It amazes me the amount of sanctimonious and self righteous "know it all" sourpusses on here who are so ready to talk smack about band members, tear them down, place the blame, hold a grudge and WISH for them to fail. The Rumours forum, as of late, seems to have been overrun with a bunch of three year olds. And yes, Missy, I'm also EXTREMELY disappointed. :(

There are certain people on here who have taken the disrespect to a whole new level. This isn't "friendly debate" or "respecting opinions" anymore. It is downright crude and discourteous. :distress:

I'm not only talking about the Stevie haters, but also the hate thrown toward the other band members as well. Just stop!

[aleuzzi]

This was my immediate thought. Except I think you have your dates out of order- I believe Bob sued the band for unpaid royalties first, which caused Christine (allegedly) to block Bob's admission into the RRHOF. In any case, there were definitely sour grapes when Bob did his Q&As here. Later on, he also wasn't pleased with Stevie and Lindsey, either. He claimed fame had insulated them to an unhealthy degree. He lashed out against them for not helping with a fundraiser for his wife, etc.

I think in the end, Bob was just bitter with the entertainment industry. He was bitter with the way it treated his parents (his Father was a producer and screenwriter, and his Mother a singer and actress). See his solo song Devil Wind for proof. He was bitter with the way the entertainment industry treated him. I think to survive and flourish in the industry, you have to be ruthless, relentless, and calculating. Bob seemed to be none of those things- he was wistful, caring, and principled.

Yes, you're right. I knew he sued them first. My "in turn" was meant as an "on the other hand." I'll edit it ;)

[aleuzzi]

:xoxo: THANK YOU!!!

It amazes me the amount of sanctimonious and self righteous "know it all" sourpusses on here who are so ready to talk smack about band members, tear them down, place the blame, hold a grudge and WISH for them to fail. The Rumours forum, as of late, seems to have been overrun with a bunch of three year olds. And yes, Missy, I'm also EXTREMELY disappointed. :(

There are certain people on here who have taken the disrespect to a whole new level. This isn't "friendly debate" or "respecting opinions" anymore. It is downright crude and discourteous. :distress:

I'm not only talking about the Stevie haters, but also the hate thrown toward the other band members as well. Just stop!

I've seen some of this. I may have even contributed to it in my own way. Without speaking for others, I can say the frustration life-long fans have had for five people who can't seem to get their collective butts in gear and make a new record that has already been years in the making is, well, trying.

There are a few things I don't get:

1. Comments about Stevie's weight or appearance.

2. Comments about the band being nothing without Stevie.

3. Comments about Stevie's sex life.

None of these things are really relevant, IMO.

I DO think fans have a right to be pissed and vent their frustrations about their favorite band, however. The prospect of another oldies tour without new music is simply unacceptable.

[louielouie2000]

Isn't complaining about complainers akin to f*cking for virginity? :D

As the saying goes, be the change you want to see in the world. Lead through example. And all those other tired old cliches. :p

As far as the festering malcontent around here; the Ledge has never, ever been a bed of roses. It's actually far more pleasant and peaceful now than it's ever been. Not that we can't strive for better. All the same, I am a big believer in letting this place be what it wants to be organically. There have been other sites over the years that tried to force certain mindsets; they didn't last.

I also get the indignation with the band. For those of us who have followed this band for a while, we feel like we've lost our last shreds of sanity. The Dance was 20 years ago now; everyone thought that was the beginnings of a grand new chapter. 2 decades later all we got was 1 partial band album and 1 partial band EP. It's been 3 decades since the last full band album. John McVie has been diagnosed with cancer; former FM members have passed since then, and those who officially supported the band such as managers, secretaries, photographers, etc are starting to die off at a rather concerning pace. The sense of urgency the "complainers" exhibit around here is certainly well founded. Assigning perceived blame is definitely warranted as well. Be that with Stevie for not recording new material with the band; or the rest of the band for not moving on without her.

All this being said, let's get back to talking about the music (or lack thereof) instead of b*tching about each other.

[jbrownsjr]

This is one of the reasons why I haven't been posting lately. I can deal with it in the general comments section I guess. But the negativity is even in the Stevie Nicks part of the site. I don't understand - if you just don't like somebody, why do you have to enter a section of a site that is dedicated to them just to bash them? It's not something that I would do. I respect that we all have different tastes and I don't feel the need to go on a forum of someone I don't like so much to try and derail fan discussions. It's just rude, ungracious and impolite.

No artist is perfect, and none of them should be above some constructive criticism. But I've seen it going beyond that. Sometimes it feels more like a site of haters rather than a group of people with an interest in the subject. I'm disappointed.

They've all given out a lot during the years and have the right now to do whatever makes them happy. Whether solo or together.

There's negativity in the Stevie section? I'm like a nun over there. Hostile territory.

[aleuzzi]

I also get the indignation with the band. For those of us who have followed this band for a while, we feel like we've lost our last shreds of sanity. The Dance was 20 years ago now; everyone thought that was the beginnings of a grand new chapter. 2 decades later all we got was 1 partial band album and 1 partial band EP. It's been 3 decades since the last full band album. John McVie has been diagnosed with cancer; former FM members have passed since then, and those who officially supported the band such as managers, secretaries, photographers, etc are starting to die off at a rather concerning pace. The sense of urgency the "complainers" exhibit around here is certainly well founded. Assigning perceived blame is definitely warranted as well. Be that with Stevie for not recording new material with the band; or the rest of the band for not moving on without her.

All this being said, let's get back to talking about the music (or lack thereof) instead of b*tching about each other.

This. Definitely this.

[secret love]

Isn't complaining about complainers akin to f*cking for virginity? :D

As the saying goes, be the change you want to see in the world. Lead through example. And all those other tired old cliches. :p

As far as the festering malcontent around here; the Ledge has never, ever been a bed of roses. It's actually far more pleasant and peaceful now than it's ever been. Not that we can't strive for better. All the same, I am a big believer in letting this place be what it wants to be organically. There have been other sites over the years that tried to force certain mindsets; they didn't last.

I also get the indignation with the band. For those of us who have followed this band for a while, we feel like we've lost our last shreds of sanity. The Dance was 20 years ago now; everyone thought that was the beginnings of a grand new chapter. 2 decades later all we got was 1 partial band album and 1 partial band EP. It's been 3 decades since the last full band album. John McVie has been diagnosed with cancer; former FM members have passed since then, and those who officially supported the band such as managers, secretaries, photographers, etc are starting to die off at a rather concerning pace. The sense of urgency the "complainers" exhibit around here is certainly well founded. Assigning perceived blame is definitely warranted as well. Be that with Stevie for not recording new material with the band; or the rest of the band for not moving on without her.

All this being said, let's get back to talking about the music (or lack thereof) instead of b*tching about each other.

As the Original Poster, I completely agree with you. Maybe my sentiments were not too clearly expressed or articulated. So:

I'm frustrated that it is taboo to release a Buck Mac or duet Fleetwood Mac album, why not chuck on three vault songs and just say it's business as usual? FFS Stevie says she spent two weeks with them for Tango!

Mick says Stevie and Lindsey did studio time together for the EP. Maybe they recorded one or two unreleased tracks which could now be used? Or rough demos or unreleased vault songs with Linds backing vocals?

Christine appears happy to release the album sans (YES THAT MEANS WITHOUT, PEOPLE AHAHAHA) Stevie

She is a sensible woman. Listen to CHRISTINE, Linds!!!!!!!!! :nod:

[michelej1]

What amazes me is that people keep coming to a place that makes them so frustrated and unhappy. If The Ledge is not your cup of tea any longer, that's perfectly understandable and there are probably a lot of other FM sites that will fit your needs more perfectly.

The behavior you're complaining about is not going to stop.

Michele

[elle]

There are a few things I don't get:

1. Comments about Stevie's weight or appearance.

2. Comments about the band being nothing without Stevie.

3. Comments about Stevie's sex life.

None of these things are really relevant, IMO.

I DO think fans have a right to be pissed and vent their frustrations about their favorite band, however. The prospect of another oldies tour without new music is simply unacceptable.

yup to all of this!

and the biggest complainers about other complainers are the ones that are expressing #2 the loudest, and then wonder why others think they are *haters*.

[Macfanforever]

I think all the personal questions about all band members is not right to ask about .Its none of our business in what they do or did in their life.The same crap comes up in those interviews year after year about who they slept with,Who did who up,How many millions want up their nose and so on.

[iamnotafraid]

What amazes me is that people keep coming to a place that makes them so frustrated and unhappy. If The Ledge is not your cup of tea any longer, that's perfectly understandable and there are probably a lot of other FM sites that will fit your needs more perfectly.



Michele


But none of those sites have Barry, Rusty nor Alec.

_____________________________________

I don't consider this Stevie Hating, maybe sexist but not
hate. A few things about her I just don't understand.

1. Weight.
I know this isn't supposed to be written about but she just
can't seem to lose weight. Yes she's old, short and a list of
other things (excuses). But a person of her means can afford
chefs and personal trainers to make things easier. Much more
so than us commoners. She's forever trapped in the black garb
because of this. A prisoner really.

2. Lost the creative spark.
Why can't she write good songs anymore? Most of the songs
she releases now - if they're any good are from the vault. As
in the past. What happened?

3. STOP IT!
How many times during a performance does she have to fool
with her in-ear monitors? Oh how I wish she'd ditch those
monitors and teleprompters.


I could go on but I've said enough.

[Missy]

What amazes me is that people keep coming to a place that makes them so frustrated and unhappy. If The Ledge is not your cup of tea any longer, that's perfectly understandable and there are probably a lot of other FM sites that will fit your needs more perfectly.

The behavior you're complaining about is not going to stop.

Michele

Yeh I didn't know if maybe I'm just being oversensitive. I stopped by though for the first time in a long time to check out news and it obviously ain't changed lol. Major trouble in one section over religion and politics. Not sorry that I missed it. The behavior of so called 'adults' online amazes me. Figuring that most of us are in middle age. Are we all just old and grumpy or what?

I'm fine not being part of a fan group/community though. I've always enjoyed the music I liked mainly on my own.

I'm not particularly fussed if they do or don't do another album tbh. If they don't there's still other music out there happening. Given their history, I was amazed that they even got back together at all in recent decades. I got to see all five together on a stage again last year, they went all over the world, and that's enough for me.

They still have some musical and personal chemistry onstage. How well that might translate into a studio album though, I have my doubts. It could end up a terribly contrived 'farewell'.

Just my feelings. Each to their own. They are all flawed individuals but in a way that's what makes them interesting together. So it's all good.

[elle]

I'm not particularly fussed if they do or don't do another album tbh. If they don't there's still other music out there happening.

the issue for many fans is that they actually DID record a new album. and we are "fussed" and want to hear it. we are clamoring for them to release it.

for some reason there are other fans who somehow construe our wish to hear this new music as SN hate. it's pretty inexplicable but that's their read on it. these fans tend to dump on and diminish buck-mcvie-mcvie-fleetwood lineup and tend to call the fans wanting new music haters.

[Missy]

Oh man 'Mad Mick' (I say that fondly!) never stops does he? He really puts the band before everything else and will sacrifice anything for it. It's his whole raison d'etre. In the past I suppose he's been the 'glue' that keeps the band together. Like Ringo in the Beatles lol. Personally and musically, they kept the heartbeat going. I've never met him in person, but he comes across as larger than life and must have some charm. His enthusiasm is still very evident and alive all these years later.

I think that being in this band though probably demands a lot of emotional as well as professional commitment. That could probably get very oppressive after awhile.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/fleetwood-mac-stevie-nicks-new-album/

I can actually see Lindsey and Christine collaborating well together. After her long break, she has a lot of new fresh energy and that seemed to be inspiring the others last year. She and Lindsey were jamming together and having a blast. In the past, Stevie has relied heavily on Lindsey to 'interpret' her ideas because she doesn't have the formal musical knowledge to express what she wants. Lindsey was probably the only member of the band who was able to understandable where she was coming from a lot of the time. But he and Christine both have good knowledge of the 'practical' side of the music so they should be on the same field.

I must admit that Christine is not my favorite member of Fleetwood Mac but I do now have more appreciation of her place in the group.

John - I had serious concerns about by the end of their big world tour. He did not look well. I hope I'm wrong and he's still doing okay.

I knew there were people who don't like Stevie, but it's really taken me aback a little. If she's a bit overweight so what? It's better than being dead from the cocaine. Madonna may spend all day in the gym and have a very restrictive diet. but Stevie's not like that. And I don't understand all the talk about her affairs either and they they're brought up all the time. Apart from how it may have influenced her music. Where I live infidelity is not condoned but I don't think we are that judgmental about it either. It's the other person's business. I can't believe how self righteous some people can be and there seems to be a double standard between judging the man and judging the woman in the situation.

Anyway, wishing everyone in FM and everyone here all the best, probably time for me to step out again.

[TheWildHeart67]

I don't understand the hate regarding Stevie's weight at all.
She lost a ton before "The Dance" and never gained it all back.
She will never be a size 1 again, but she looks great.
I personally think she does write good songs still.
I loved IYD and the recent songs she composed for it.
But the weight thing? Blah. Get over it

[Danielle]

3. STOP IT!
How many times during a performance does she have to fool
with her in-ear monitors? Oh how I wish she'd ditch those
monitors and teleprompters.



It bothers you that much? The last time I felt this way about someone's habits that annoyed me to no end, I broke up with him. :D

[aleuzzi]

the issue for many fans is that they actually DID record a new album. and we are "fussed" and want to hear it. we are clamoring for them to release it.

for some reason there are other fans who somehow construe our wish to hear this new music as SN hate. it's pretty inexplicable but that's their read on it. these fans tend to dump on and diminish buck-mcvie-mcvie-fleetwood lineup and tend to call the fans wanting new music haters.

Yes! What pisses off the die-hard BAND fans (as opposed to being fans of individual members only) is that the music has been written, arranged, recorded, and half an album EXISTS. The band didn't hesitate to whet our appetites with that music 2.5 years ago. And then again after their monstrous tour, and now in various tantalizing comments in the press. So, yes, I do feel the band OWES its fans this music, with or without Stevie. Period. I would not have expected anything from them had they not already publicized and sold its "profundity" to us numerous times in the press. Imagine if Led Zeppelin had done this in 1982? Or if Nirvana fans found out there was unreleased music in vaults with Kirk Cobain on vocals. The fans would go ballistic if they didn't get that music. By comparison, we FM fans have been patient and supportive beyond measure. The rage many of us feel over the exploitation of our desire for new music is real. No amount of saying "the band doesn't owe us anything" is going to get me or others to change our minds.

[jbrownsjr]

It bothers you that much? The last time I felt this way about someone's habits that annoyed me to no end, I broke up with him. :D

And I never recovered! lol

[Danielle]

And I never recovered! lol
lol, just look at how many cats I have! :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

lol, just look at how many cats I have! :laugh:

Oh dear, I just got two kitties last year. Brother and sister from a No Kill shelter.. They are the loves of my life.

[Danielle]

Oh dear, I just got two kitties last year. Brother and sister from a No Kill shelter.. They are the loves of my life.
That's wonderful and so good for them that you chose not to separate them. :)

And not to stray away from the topic, I love Stevie. :D

[jbrownsjr]

That's wonderful and so good for them that you chose not to separate them. :)

And not to stray away from the topic, I love Stevie. :D

I HATE Stevie!! (jk).. keeping on topic...

yeah, the kitties are so good together.. funny when they sleep together and all I see are 4 eyes.. I'm such a cat lady..

[HomerMcvie]

There's negativity in the Stevie section? I'm like a nun over there. Hostile territory.

There's a Stevie section?:lol:



I've literally been there about 4 times, in my 13 years here!:woohoo:

[jannieC]

Know what?

The threads IS ASKING why there seems to be a lot of Stevie hate these days.

So if you feel like taking offense that people are responding, with answers to the question!!!, maybe you should'nt read the thread.

Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies...



I personally am sort of amazed at the way she is perceived here, now. A decade ago, it seemed like 98% of Ledgies worshiped her. Clearly, that is no longer the case. THANK GOD.

I still worship her. :wavey:

[jbrownsjr]

I still worship her. :wavey:

I used to have posters in my room. I guess there were clues I was going to be gay. lol

[secret love]

I used to have posters in my room. I guess there were clues I was going to be gay. lol
I'm bisexual and Stevie is my idol. When I discovered her in 2012 or 2013, it was like a revelation...I'd been missing my witchy woman for so long. :nod:

If I had posters of her in my room, I think it would be more of a sign that I like girls too. If you get me. But I don't do posters anyway. Bare walls for me lol

[jbrownsjr]

I'm bisexual and Stevie is my idol. When I discovered her in 2012 or 2013, it was like a revelation...I'd been missing my witchy woman for so long. :nod:

If I had posters of her in my room, I think it would be more of a sign that I like girls too. If you get me. But I don't do posters anyway. Bare walls for me lol


I loved Christine and Stevie in the 80's. I had Bella Donna, Law and Order, Wild Heart, Christine McVie, Mirage and FMac Live in a 4 year period.

6 albums!

[jkmaletic]

There's a Stevie section?:lol:



I've literally been there about 4 times, in my 13 years here!:woohoo:

Wow, you're so snarky and funny, David. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Curious, if you ever met Stevie, would you call her a "goat" or "goat breath" to her face?

Jamie

[secret love]

I HATE Stevie!! (jk).. keeping on topic...

yeah, the kitties are so good together.. funny when they sleep together and all I see are 4 eyes.. I'm such a cat lady..

How can anyone hate a singer who gives us these gems? STEVIE IS BACK IN MY GOOD BOOKS.

F--- NEW FM ALBUM! BRING ON 24 KG TOUR AND SECOND VAULT ALBUM AND PRETENDERS TOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[elle]

F--- NEW FM ALBUM! BRING ON 24 KG TOUR AND SECOND VAULT ALBUM AND PRETENDERS TOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

see but that's exactly the point you seem to be missing:

why hate SN or FM/album, when they can peacefully co-exist and almost everybody could be extremely happy?


you and other Stevie fans can enjoy her solo tour and demo albums.
people who want FM album but find SN annoying can have a FM Mac Buck album without Stevie and a little intimate tour with just 4 to showcase it.


i do wish i could see Pretenders live again, but unfortunately on this tour their shows sans Stevie are too far from me, so i'll have to skip this time around.

[jbrownsjr]

^^^^ don't hate her.. was playing off the title... Danielle and I had a little tihng going..

[SisterNightroad]

Danielle and I had a little thing going..
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[secondhandchain]

How can anyone hate a singer who gives us these gems? STEVIE IS BACK IN MY GOOD BOOKS.

F--- NEW FM ALBUM! BRING ON 24 KG TOUR AND SECOND VAULT ALBUM AND PRETENDERS TOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Stevie is best in limited doses. She gets VERY grating left up to her own devices. Also SO f#$king full of herself too when she is solo. GROSS.

[HomerMcvie]

Wow, you're so snarky and funny, David. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Curious, if you ever met Stevie, would you call her a "goat" or "goat breath" to her face?

Jamie

I would not. But honestly, I have no desire to meet her, at all.


I'd like to meet Chris(but would be terrified that she might not be nice), and Lindsey second, Mick third, and John last.

I turned down "doing sound" for a show featuring John Mellencamp, about a month ago, because I feel that he's a horse's ass, and have no desire to subject myself to his attitude. I don't really get "star struck"(with Christine being probably the only exception).

I only told the above, to show that since I'm not crazy about Stevie, I really have no desire to meet her.

And for the record, I don't hate her. She's just my least favorite member.

[bwboy]

Stevie is best in limited doses. She gets VERY grating left up to her own devices. Also SO f#$king full of herself too when she is solo. GROSS.

Glad to have a fellow Stevie fan on board- welcome to the room, secondhandchain.

[jbrownsjr]

https://media.giphy.com/media/AZ1PPDF8uO9MI/giphy.gif

hahahahahaahahahahahah

[olive]

The article I just posted in her Section I have some new respect for her.

What I got from it is that and she seems to be tired of the same old crap/ formula

And I hope she / they can meet in the middle make a great record and tour with new music and songs from the past that need to be heard .


Or she can do a songs from the vault II and play songs she hasn't before

[BlueDenimLamp]

The article I just posted in her Section I have some new respect for her.

What I got from it is that and she seems to be tired of the same old crap/ formula

And I hope she / they can meet in the middle make a great record and tour with new music and songs from the past that need to be heard .


Or she can do a songs from the vault II and play songs she hasn't before



“Maybe when Fleetwood Mac does our last tour, maybe if I have anything to say about it, we’ll definitely go through the catalog and do a very different set. People have heard the set we’ve had to do all these years. Now they deserve to hear all the great stuff through all of these records,” she said. “I will put my foot down. I’m not going back on the road to do the same things we did on those 220 shows.”

The September release of Fleetwood Mac’s 1982 album, “Mirage,” as an expanded boxed set and the “Bella Donna” and “Wild Heart” reissues have put Nicks in a reflective mood. (The group’s 1987 album, “Tango in the Night” is also forthcoming in deluxe fashion.)

The outtakes discs from “Mirage” and “Bella Donna” include versions of “If You Were My Love,” a song re-recorded for “24 Karat Gold” that she’s premiering live on the tour.

Meantime, the other members of Fleetwood Mac have recorded new songs and want to release a studio album, but Nicks is reluctant to participate. Listening to such classic tracks as “Gypsy” from the “Mirage” sessions hasn’t quite convinced her to go back into the studio with the others.

“When you listen to that song you wish Fleetwood Mac could make those kinds of records now, but it’s just not possible,” Nicks said. “It was such a different world then, and everything was done so differently and everyone was more on the same page. As the years went by, not really everybody, but mostly Lindsey and I, just went such different ways. It’s really hard to come back together.”...
Translation...If he can't be happy with only 100 "overdubs" and do things more my way than his way it's not happening...

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/celebrities/article110870002.html#storylink=cpy

[MovieStarView]

I share everyones frustration with her holding up the new record because Christine is back and they should have been on the ball a long time ago. But I don't hate Stevie. I don't think I could ever hate her. Frustrated? You bet.

[elle]

The article I just posted in her Section I have some new respect for her.

What I got from it is that and she seems to be tired of the same old crap/ formula

And I hope she / they can meet in the middle make a great record and tour with new music and songs from the past that need to be heard .


Or she can do a songs from the vault II and play songs she hasn't before

see, that interview you posted makes it sound like she's expecting them not to do anything in her absence, not to release any new songs, and that really has me worried.

i'm really hoping she has a successful solo tour and continues it, while the rest of the Mac release their album and tour it without Stevie before the big end-of-2017 reunion tour. that would give us at least 6 new Mac songs, smaller venues, and much cheaper prices than if they tour with Stevie. :nod: :nod:

[elle]

I share everyones frustration with her holding up the new record because Christine is back and they should have been on the ball a long time ago. But I don't hate Stevie. I don't think I could ever hate her. Frustrated? You bet.

hey, welcome to the board! :wavey:

[jkmaletic]

see, that interview you posted makes it sound like she's expecting them not to do anything in her absence, not to release any new songs, and that really has me worried.

i'm really hoping she has a successful solo tour and continues it, while the rest of the Mac release their album and tour it without Stevie before the big end-of-2017 reunion tour. that would give us at least 6 new Mac songs, smaller venues, and much cheaper prices than if they tour with Stevie. :nod: :nod:

Hmmm. From what I got out of it was that she's becoming more publicly vocal about not wanting to go into the studio with FM. I don't think she's expecting them to not release anything without her. At this point, from what I can read into this, I think she'd be fine with them releasing and doing a tour without her. Then they can reconvene with her for the expected "farewell tour" after that.

Jamie

[louielouie2000]

Hmmm. From what I got out of it was that she's becoming more publicly vocal about not wanting to go into the studio with FM. I don't think she's expecting them to not release anything without her. At this point, from what I can read into this, I think she'd be fine with them releasing and doing a tour without her. Then they can reconvene with her for the expected "farewell tour" after that.

Jamie

That's also the impression I came away with. It's pretty heartbreaking for me, but I understand it. If only Stevie and Lindsey could just meet halfway. Perhaps they will yet.

[elle]

Hmmm. From what I got out of it was that she's becoming more publicly vocal about not wanting to go into the studio with FM. I don't think she's expecting them to not release anything without her. At this point, from what I can read into this, I think she'd be fine with them releasing and doing a tour without her. Then they can reconvene with her for the expected "farewell tour" after that.

Jamie
i hope you are right!

That's also the impression I came away with. It's pretty heartbreaking for me, but I understand it. If only Stevie and Lindsey could just meet halfway. Perhaps they will yet.
only if they meet half way AFTER the release of Mac 4 album and small tour, in 2017 - instead of the rest of the Mac waiting for that meetup for another 2 years and doing nothing during that wait.

[iamnotafraid]

I don't understand the hate regarding Stevie's weight at all.
She lost a ton before "The Dance" and never gained it all back.
She will never be a size 1 again, but she looks great.


I still believe she's a beautiful woman.
But pointing out that she's overweight
isn't hate. And that weight has held her
captive to very limited fashion choices.

I know how hard it is to be a sex symbol.
Believe me.

[iamnotafraid]

At this point, from what I can read into this, I think she'd be fine with them releasing and doing a tour without her.

Jamie


Want to buy a bridge?

[iamnotafraid]

It bothers you that much? The last time I felt this way about someone's habits that annoyed me to no end, I broke up with him. :D

Yes it does. Set the level and that's it!

Don't leave us hanging. What bad habits?

[jkmaletic]

Want to buy a bridge?

No. Bridges don't interest me... but I'd possibly be interested in a wager with you, whether or not FM releases and tours their next album without Stevie. I'd bet they DO.

What would you like to bet??

Jamie

[FuzzyPlum]

The most frustrating thing is that if they release a new album then they wouldn't have to tour with the same setlist they've had for the last x number of years. They could go out and play a whole load of new material. There's nothing fresher and more exciting than that.

[jkmaletic]

No takers on my bet?? :shrug:
Come on, we can bet t-shirts or something fun. :D

Jamie

[Jondalar]

I feel it coming. If Stevie doesn't record with Fleetwood Mac again and the band ends on a sour note, I won't remember her fondly.

[FuzzyPlum]

'Maybe when Fleetwood Mac does our last tour...'
I more and more hope they kick her out altogether and then go on for a few years as a band beyond one last tour. Not gonna happen.

[gldstwmn]

There's a Stevie section?:lol:



I've literally been there about 4 times, in my 13 years here!:woohoo:
Lets see if you can keep it under 5. :rolleyes:

[jbrownsjr]

Lets see if you can keep it under 5. :rolleyes:

Haha! I go in.. cover my head .... make my comment.. and then run!!!

[elle]

No takers on my bet?? :shrug:
Come on, we can bet t-shirts or something fun. :D

Jamie

i just really really really hope you are right!! i NEED that album and intimate tour next year!

you all seem to be getting what you dreamed of with SN solo tour, so it is only fair we get that album/tour. :nod:

[gldstwmn]

Haha! I go in.. cover my head .... make my comment.. and then run!!!
:p:p:p:p:p

[jkmaletic]

i just really really really hope you are right!! i NEED that album and intimate tour next year!

you all seem to be getting what you dreamed of with SN solo tour, so it is only fair we get that album/tour. :nod:

C'mon Elle! I will buy you this AWESOME t-shirt if I'm wrong and FM ends up waiting for Stevie instead of releasing an album without her:

https://www.redbubble.com/people/thewildhearts/works/14025215-lindsey-buckingham-is-organic?grid_pos=13&p=womens-relaxed-fit

Great shirt, right???

:thumbsup:

[jbrownsjr]

:p:p:p:p:p

Next time, I Will Run To You

[Macfanforever]

I think we dont have to worry about her getting kicked out by FM.In that Florida newspaper interview she already technically saying this.

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[iamnotafraid]

No. Bridges don't interest me... but I'd possibly be interested in a wager with you, whether or not FM releases and tours their next album without Stevie. I'd bet they DO.

What would you like to bet??

Jamie

A wager you say?

I hope you're right. But I just can't see them doing
that at this point.

[HomerMcvie]

Lets see if you can keep it under 5. :rolleyes:

You know, I feel that's bordering on personal attack.

Mods opinion???

[bwboy]

You know, I feel that's bordering on personal attack.

Mods opinion???

Lol, you're kidding, right? I think the poster was just going along with what you said, that's all. You said you don't go to the Stevie board often, and they supported your decision. Not sure how you got a personal attack out of that, as I'm sure that wasn't the intention.

[HomerMcvie]

Lol, you're kidding, right? I think the poster was just going along with what you said, that's all. You said you don't go to the Stevie board often, and they supported your decision. Not sure how you got a personal attack out of that, as I'm sure that wasn't the intention.

They're asking that I stay out of a forum. What the hell is that?

[bwboy]

gldstwmn is one of the nicest posters around. I can't speak for him her, but I'm certain nothing was meant by the comment. We're all fans of FM here.

[FuzzyPlum]

They're asking that I stay out of a forum. What the hell is that?

I can see how you'd feel hurt. You should consider legal action.

[mylittledemon]

They're asking that I stay out of a forum. What the hell is that?

If you are being serious, I took the comment about "keeping it under 5" as a bit of good-natured ribbing. If the comment wasn't made in jest, I'd say perhaps there's little to be upset about since you said you never go in the Stevie forum anyway. Right? :nod: We love your presence here, Homer.

[jbrownsjr]

I love Homer! We need his side of things for fair and balance.

Love gldstwmn, too.

Happy Halloween everyone!

[sue]

They're asking that I stay out of a forum. What the hell is that?

No Homer, they were backing you up....
Your loved here......its good you don't venture...."there"
And besides you'd be missed.

[olive]

they seem to be moving on From Christie Facebook page 15 minutes ago

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pfogKnMM69A/U2Kj-BL2zEI/AAAAAAAAoX8/2FGdkRzGN7A/s1600/Fleetwood+Mac+Lindsey+Buckingham+Christine+McVie+The+Village+Studios+Los+Angeles.jpg

[FuzzyPlum]

Isn't that the picture they put out last year (or has it been longer than that?). It must be some sort of message though- I guess it signifies the end of their recording (at least for this little session).

[louielouie2000]

Isn't that the picture they put out last year (or has it been longer than that?). It must be some sort of message though- I guess it signifies the end of their recording (at least for this little session).

Or perhaps this is their way of letting the fans know that while Stevie is out touring, this is what they are up to in the meantime. :D

[jbrownsjr]

Or perhaps this is their way of letting the fans know that while Stevie is out touring, this is what they are up to in the meantime. :D

In The Meantime!!!

[aleuzzi]

Yeah--that's a photo from the Billboard article 2.5 years ago, right after Christine came out of retirement.

Maybe it means something. Or maybe it's just the administrators of her page rotating in yet another pic. I'd love more confirmation. A tweet or a brief mention in the press that recording has resumed.

[MovieStarView]

Christine looks so happy. My wish is for this new cd to happen and happen soon with Stevie but if that's not the case then they should go on without her. She will regret it.

[secondhandchain]

Stevie is not afraid to let the world know who great she thinks she is now. Not afraid to constantly DISS Linsdey. I'm fine with them recording without her. She has become insufferable lately.

[sue]

Or perhaps this is their way of letting the fans know that while Stevie is out touring, this is what they are up to in the meantime. :D

I think that's exactly what this photo is about.......Its Hey we're still here !!!
But I also think its an old pic..

[jbrownsjr]

I think that's exactly what this photo is about.......Its Hey we're still here !!!
But I also think its an old pic..

The pic is from 2014.0

[aleuzzi]

The pic is from 2014.0

Yep. 2.5 years old. But who's counting....? Me! That's who.

[jbrownsjr]

Yep. 2.5 years old. But who's counting....? Me! That's who.

You're madder than a Charlotte Hornet.

[aleuzzi]

You're madder than a Charlotte Hornet.

Aren't you?

[jbrownsjr]

Aren't you?

You know I am. I just don't want to get kicked off The Ledge. So I filter. lol

[aleuzzi]

You know I am. I just don't want to get kicked off The Ledge. So I filter. lol

Yeah, I know. My anger, however, is pretty general and not directed at anyone in particular. I'm just frustrated beyond belief that there is music and we're not hearing it.

[jbrownsjr]

Yeah, I know. My anger, however, is pretty general and not directed at anyone in particular. I'm just frustrated beyond belief that there is music and we're not hearing it.

I'm more angry with the 4 that have no balls. Shame on them for counting on Stevie to put out their artistry.

I understand wanting her, but she does not own FMac. Maybe Christine has lit a fire under their asses and they are listening.

[aleuzzi]

I'm more angry with the 4 that have no balls. Shame on them for counting on Stevie to put out their artistry.

I understand wanting her, but she does not own FMac. Maybe Christine has lit a fire under their asses and they are listening.

Yessssssssssssss.

[FuzzyPlum]

they seem to be moving on From Christie Facebook page 15 minutes ago

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pfogKnMM69A/U2Kj-BL2zEI/AAAAAAAAoX8/2FGdkRzGN7A/s1600/Fleetwood+Mac+Lindsey+Buckingham+Christine+McVie+The+Village+Studios+Los+Angeles.jpg

I was just thinking about the quote that went with this image on her recent post...

'I find it hard to get excited by just a sound. I have to have a song there, then I'll find what I can make of that sound within the song...'

A wonder whether thats a light hearted dig at Lindsey. Christine likes to write the bare bones of a song first I think and then build the music around it. Whereas Lindsey notably likes to 'paint music'. He's less interested in the overall song and cares more about the sound and feel of the composition. I just wonder whether she's having a playful dig that Lindsey gets excited by little sounds that he discovers.

Otherwise the quote seems a bit random.

[elle]

I was just thinking about the quote that went with this image on her recent post...

'I find it hard to get excited by just a sound. I have to have a song there, then I'll find what I can make of that sound within the song...'

A wonder whether thats a light hearted dig at Lindsey. Christine likes to write the bare bones of a song first I think and then build the music around it. Whereas Lindsey notably likes to 'paint music'. He's less interested in the overall song and cares more about the sound and feel of the composition. I just wonder whether she's having a playful dig that Lindsey gets excited by little sounds that he discovers.

Otherwise the quote seems a bit random.

lol you are reading way too much into it. Christine probably just OKs the postings, if she even looks at them.

i do agree though that posting that 2.5 yo pic is probably meant as a sign that at least the 2 of them, if not others, are back in the studio.

[FuzzyPlum]

lol you are reading way too much into it.

Yes, quite probably. I was just imagining banter between them in the studio stemming from Lindsey boringly trying to explain a newly discovered sound or technique.

[Missy]

Probably shouldn't be bumping this when I was complaining about it... I think overall that Stevie is quite an easy target. There's her weird vocal style and her image, the strange lyrics etc. She gets away with it as possibly only Stevie could. Only just gets away with it at times. But it's also the reason why I love her so what the heck.

I liked how Roy Orbison and Johnny Cash had strong comebacks towards the end of their careers and would like to hope the same for FM. Though I don't know with all the egos and control freaks in the band. We shall see.

Lindsey and Christine do seem to have discovered a real musical partnership these days. She's perhaps the most down to earth person in the band so she is probably able to keep him in check - and he's also supposed to have mellowed. So it may work.

[singertobe]

I was not aware of any of this but now that I know I am quite peeved. We have ALL been waiting for SO long to get JUST ONE more studio album done with ALL 5 of them TOGETHER & she's saying no? I better be hearing wrong:mad:

[singertobe]

Stevie is best in limited doses. She gets VERY grating left up to her own devices. Also SO f#$king full of herself too when she is solo. GROSS.

I have yet to see any signs of her being full of herself. Can you give an example?

[Nathan]

I have yet to see any signs of her being full of herself. Can you give an example?

I could probably point to something in every story she tells in between songs. I'm not going to do any transcribing though.

[Macfanforever]

Theres must be some love for her since her current tour is selling out.

[bwboy]

Yep, plus look at all the folks who have worked with her or raved about her... Tom Petty, Adam Levine, Courtney Love, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Lady Antebellum, Don Henley, Macy Gray, Amy Grant, Kenny Loggins, Sheryl Crow, Blake Shelton, the Dixie Chicks, etc. Pretty damn impressive, the variety of folks who have worked with her or professed their admiration for her.

[mitzo]

Stevie should probably just pull the plug on FM and focus on her solo work now. The current solo tour is ample evidence she has a large fan base, loves working solo, and is in better voice and energy than in the last decade or more. Hate her all you like, she serves herself and her fans much better running her own show.

[pauls90]

Stevie should probably just pull the plug on FM and focus on her solo work now. The current solo tour is ample evidence she has a large fan base, loves working solo, and is in better voice and energy than in the last decade or more. Hate her all you like, she serves herself and her fans much better running her own show.

Then she should come out and say that directly instead of purposefully avoiding it and giving fans false hope.

I don't understand why it's so hard for her to just say it if she really doesn't want to be part of FM. It's really not that complex...

[elle]

Stevie should probably just pull the plug on FM and focus on her solo work now.

agree, hope she does that and exits the band. she's so much happier and gives more to her fans solo.

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie should probably just pull the plug on FM and focus on her solo work now. The current solo tour is ample evidence she has a large fan base, loves working solo, and is in better voice and energy than in the last decade or more. Hate her all you like, she serves herself and her fans much better running her own show.

I agree completely. Let her leave the band and do her own thing. Hope the door doesn't hit her in the ass on her way out...

[bwboy]

Then she should come out and say that directly instead of purposefully avoiding it and giving fans false hope.

I don't understand why it's so hard for her to just say it if she really doesn't want to be part of FM. It's really not that complex...

How about turning it around a little bit? The band should come out and say that directly instead of purposefully avoiding it and giving fans false hope.

I don't understand why it's so hard for them to just say it if she really doesn't want to be part of FM. It's really not that complex...

[HomerMcvie]

How about turning it around a little bit? The band should come out and say that directly instead of purposefully avoiding it and giving fans false hope.

I don't understand why it's so hard for them to just say it if she really doesn't want to be part of FM. It's really not that complex...

Because she has been the biggest star(even though Lindsey and Christine hold their own). No one wants to go from arenas to theaters, and that might be what happens.

BUT, they have plenty of money(well, except maybe idiot Mick), and as long as they're enjoying whatever incarnation, they should go for it.

But of course they want to go out on top, and that probably requires having the FIVE of them. But she's playing hard(or impossible) to get, so I say kick her ass to the curb.

[pauls90]

How about turning it around a little bit? The band should come out and say that directly instead of purposefully avoiding it and giving fans false hope.

I don't understand why it's so hard for them to just say it if she really doesn't want to be part of FM. It's really not that complex...

What?? Because it's their band and they sincerely want and hope for her to be a part of it?

Why should THEY have to be the ones to say Stevie doesn't want to be on board??? Even with this new interview - she's saying she "thinks they should choose" a "tour over an album" but she still doesn't have the balls to just flatly say she doesn't want to do it.

She wants the rest of the band to be the bad guy. I hope they just put a record out and tour smaller shows without her. If she was truly invested in the band she would want to be an actual practicing *artist* and produce new material - not just keep doing the money grabbing greatest hits shows time after time after time after time after time after time.

But the band should not be responsible for making her uncomfortable announcements for her...

[Tango]

What?? Because it's their band and they sincerely want and hope for her to be a part of it?

Why should THEY have to be the ones to say Stevie doesn't want to be on board??? Even with this new interview - she's saying she "thinks they should choose" a "tour over an album" but she still doesn't have the balls to just flatly say she doesn't want to do it.

But the band should not be responsible for making her uncomfortable announcements for her...

Balls? How do you know what Stevie has said or not said to the band? We know nothing. But sometimes it seems like we, on The Ledge, become their little avatars. They don't have to fight at all. They can just say, "yeah, what he said." ;)

[bwboy]

What?? Because it's their band and they sincerely want and hope for her to be a part of it?

Why should THEY have to be the ones to say Stevie doesn't want to be on board??? Even with this new interview - she's saying she "thinks they should choose" a "tour over an album" but she still doesn't have the balls to just flatly say she doesn't want to do it.

She wants the rest of the band to be the bad guy. I hope they just put a record out and tour smaller shows without her. If she was truly invested in the band she would want to be an actual practicing *artist* and produce new material - not just keep doing the money grabbing greatest hits shows time after time after time after time after time after time.

But the band should not be responsible for making her uncomfortable announcements for her...

Sorry, Paul, but I disagree. The band seems to want her to be the bad guy. Anybody can tell from this interview that Stevie doesn't want to record with them anymore. I think her reasoning is a little faulty- not wanting to make a record because it won't sell like previous albums seems silly to me, but that's her choice. I don't know if the band actually talks to each other or through attorneys or through interviews like this, but they should give her a deadline and if she doesn't show up, then they should go on without her. But I think they're just as much to blame as she is.

[bwboy]

This situation reminds me of when LeBron James left the Cavaliers a few years back. Fans were furious and said he had no right to leave Cleveland. Same thing here with Stevie- some fans think she owes them, actually OWES them another FM album! She doesn't, but the two situations are a lot alike. All of a sudden, former fans are badmouthing her, etc, which is hardly an effective way to change someone's mind, while other fans resent Christine and Lindsey for not just going on without her.

[Macfanforever]

I do agree with some on here that she should not hold the rest of the band hostage and just let them go and do without her which they have done with Lindsey and Chris in the past and got away with it without to much damage.Don't forgot that we are dealing with a band that had alot of employment changes with members over almost 50 years.

[FuzzyPlum]

I don't know if the band actually talks to each other or through attorneys or through interviews like this, but they should give her a deadline and if she doesn't show up, then they should go on without her.


My guess would be they all talk to each other easily, comfortably and relatively regularly...except with Stevie. They'd probably all be a lot more comfortable and happier unit without her.

[Angel75]

My guess would be they all talk to each other easily, comfortably and relatively regularly...except with Stevie. They'd probably all be a lot more comfortable and happier unit without her.

Not so sure, I think Stevie and Mick probably have a very close relationship with regular communication.....perhaps more so than other band members....Lindsey, Stevie and Mick have talked about those two being very close.

[FuzzyPlum]

Not so sure, I think Stevie and Mick probably have a very close relationship with regular communication.....perhaps more so than other band members....Lindsey, Stevie and Mick have talked about those two being very close.

Mick, yes. The rest, no.
I'd guess she communicated with Mick a fair bit, Christine (since she's been back) a bit but still pretty infrequently, Lindsey and John hardly ever.
...but who knows.

I'd be really intrigued as to whether she's heard any of the material they've recorded. I'm sure they at least tried to get her to hear it. I wonder if they rehearsed any new songs before the tour in order to encourage Stevie?

[lennonfan]

this is all so sad.

I'd love to hear an album by that particular 4 piece. If she doesn't want to do it they should soldier on without her IMO.

[bombaysaffires]

I think there are two things going on-- first is the money bit, which we've all talked about-- and that is that the band likely won't sell as many records or as many seats on tour without Stevie. This of course is what they pay managers and lawyers and agents etc to worry about, so chances are that those folks around the various members are concerned about this and giving them advice on how to deal with it, which may well include "you should wait for Stevie". On the other hand, I think the band also has concerns that if they go forward without her, she will use her platform of the media to make either openly disparaging or negative remarks or more passive-aggressive ("damning with faint praise") kinds of remarks. She has in the past used this threat to get what she wants with the band ("How will it look if I go to Rolling Stone and tell them this or that"). She has learned very very well over the years how to use the press to get her point out (funnily enough I thought of this while recently watching an old piece about Princess Diana and a lot of the perspective of the presenters was about how she was much more savvy at exploiting the press than Charles to get people on her side etc). So I wouldn't be surprised if there was concern within the band or their circle about the risk of her giving interviews about how "disappointed" she was that the band for whom she's given up so much (cutting off the Bella Donna tour etc etc) didn't find it in their hearts to wait for her or whatever. (even though she's pretty clear if they wait for her to join them on a record they'll be waiting a very long, long time). And then they're in the middle of a potentially ugly media sh&tstorm and the band goes out on a really publicly sour note. It just feels like they are feeling between a rock and a hard place. I'd bet Lindsey is all for releasing something but Mick clearly is hedging his bets Stevie will change her mind and I feel like Christine is also hedging even though she wants to get the new music out.:shrug:

[SteveMacD]

Stevie can go to the media all she wants, but so can Christine, and I think the media would be more sympathetic to the one who came out of retirement to be creative with her band over someone who didn't think making new music was financially justifiable.

I think Christine wants Stevie on board and is holding out some hope for that, but is also ready and willing to release it without her. I think she's accepted that Stevie's not going to be on the album.

[STEVEHEDRICK]

they wont release as fleetwood mac without her

[lilyfee]

they wont release as fleetwood mac without her

Definitely not.

They all care for her very much, and while Lindsey can be antagonistic towards Stevie, I do not think there can be any question that he wants her in the band just as much as, if not more than, anyone else.

[elle]

they wont release as fleetwood mac without her

yup, apparently not. they are not into fighting it out as much as she seems to be.

i find it funny that the name of this thread is talking about Stevie hating, when there seems to actually be a whole lot of Stevie fans belittling the rest of the FM and their individual members, as well as belittling the wishes of fans that are FM-focused and not only SN focused.

no people, if FM puts out the album without Stevie because she does not want to be on it, and we want to hear that album, that does not equal Stevie hating! that is us wanting to hear new music!

[SteveMacD]

no people, if FM puts out the album without Stevie because she does not want to be on it, and we want to hear that album, that does not equal Stevie hating! that is us wanting to hear new music!
I'd add that most of us would love it if Stevie was on the album, but only if she feels as a inspired as the rest of the band. Otherwise, she would only bring the project down.

[pauls90]

Balls? How do you know what Stevie has said or not said to the band? We know nothing. But sometimes it seems like we, on The Ledge, become their little avatars. They don't have to fight at all. They can just say, "yeah, what he said." ;)

I was referring to the public and the media - not the privacy of the band.

[jbrownsjr]

This situation reminds me of when LeBron James left the Cavaliers a few years back. Fans were furious and said he had no right to leave Cleveland. Same thing here with Stevie- some fans think she owes them, actually OWES them another FM album! She doesn't, but the two situations are a lot alike. All of a sudden, former fans are badmouthing her, etc, which is hardly an effective way to change someone's mind, while other fans resent Christine and Lindsey for not just going on without her.

The fans were upset he left. But what put them into a rage was the way he did it. He announced it on National TV like it was a circus. It was very classless and he later realized it. He had every right to go where he wanted. But, don't **** on the your previous adventure.

[bwboy]

Good point jbrown. I happened to be in Cleveland the night of his announcement, and the next day, the radio was nothing but lambasting LeBron James. Fans were so mad he was leaving their city, and one dj said "he can just go to Florida and have 3 more bastards!" It was real hatred. I agree the way he did it, not telling the team in advance and making a media spectacle of it all, was crappy of him, but Cleveland was going to be upset regardless. But it all worked out for him and Cleveland, and it'll all work out for us and FM.

[jbrownsjr]

Good point jbrown. I happened to be in Cleveland the night of his announcement, and the next day, the radio was nothing but lambasting LeBron James. Fans were so mad he was leaving their city, and one dj said "he can just go to Florida and have 3 more bastards!" It was real hatred. I agree the way he did it, not telling the team in advance and making a media spectacle of it all, was crappy of him, but Cleveland was going to be upset regardless. But it all worked out for him and Cleveland, and it'll all work out for us and FM.

I was born and raised in Cleveland. I didn't have a problem with him leaving. I was really upset about the way he embarrassed the city. But, he really came thru, grew up and joined his band for one last album and stopped pretending everything was all about her. :lol::lol::lol:

[Macfanforever]

Does anybody know if this "FM does not want to release this album with out Stevie" is in writing in a contract with the band.Or its worries over of loss of album sales without Stevie on it.I think its the latter one.

[jbrownsjr]

Does anybody know if this "FM does not want to release this album with out Stevie" is in writing in a contract with the band.Or its worries over of loss of album sales without Stevie on it.I think its the latter one.

If they toured with it, I think it could be a great opportunity to have some sales. Stevie's album didn't sell well at all.. so I don't think it makes a difference.

[Macfanforever]

If they toured with it, I think it could be a great opportunity to have some sales. Stevie's album didn't sell well at all.. so I don't think it makes a difference.

Got a good point there.I think it would be out of place if FM tours with a new album without Stevie on it while she's there on the stage with them on that tour.

[jbrownsjr]

Got a good point there.I think it would be out of place if FM tours with a new album without Stevie on it while she's there on the stage with them on that tour.

They are so out of touch that I wouldn't put anything passed them. But, a small tour, small venues and higher prices would sell.... Do something with Steve Winwood... place would go crazy for that kind of stuff..

[elle]

Got a good point there.I think it would be out of place if FM tours with a new album without Stevie on it while she's there on the stage with them on that tour.

they will not. Christine talked about touring the album without Stevie. which would happen before the FM 2018 tour.

[Macfanforever]

they will not. Christine talked about touring the album without Stevie. which would happen before the FM 2018 tour.

OK. That make more since.It would be embarrassing for them the other way around.

[Macfanforever]

They are so out of touch that I wouldn't put anything passed them. But, a small tour, small venues and higher prices would sell.... Do something with Steve Winwood... place would go crazy for that kind of stuff..

Yes .I agree.It would be a great reality show.The most out of touch band on TV.Stevie can have a late night show and do a 30 minute monologue like her speeches between songs on this tour.

[elle]

OK. That make more since.It would be embarrassing for them the other way around.

it would be embarrassing for Stevie, yes.

if they go by dividing equally the number of songs, all her songs would be the old ones, while Chris and Lindsey would have bunch of new ones. that's why Stevie would never allow such tour to happen. in 2018, they will probably have to pretend like their new album doesn't exist. hopefully they'll at least replace some of their stale GH list with deep cuts from the past.

[James89]

As if Stevie Nicks would let the band she's been in for 40 years record and tour an album without her. Frankly it's laughable.

[elle]

As if Stevie Nicks would let the band she's been in for 40 years record and tour an album without her. Frankly it's laughable.

she needs to "let them" record new music? :confused:

[James89]

she needs to "let them" record new music? :confused:

Yes. That's why we haven't had a Fleetwood Mac album yet. Because she isn't fussed about it. The rest are ready, she's not. Who has the most power in Fleetwood Mac? Stevie Nicks. Who thinks they have the most power in the band? Lindsey Buckingham. He's now realising this as the record company is saying to him "She's touring solo out there selling out arenas and you think you can do something without her?! Don't make me laugh!!!"

[SteveMacD]

As if Stevie Nicks would let the band she's been in for 40 years record and tour an album without her. Frankly it's laughable.
They did it before.

[James89]

They did it before.

Yes, and what a huge success that was. :rolleyes: That was back when Mick was in charge. That isn't the case anymore.

[elle]

Yes. That's why we haven't had a Fleetwood Mac album yet. Because she isn't fussed about it. The rest are ready, she's not. Who has the most power in Fleetwood Mac? Stevie Nicks. Who thinks they have the most power in the band? Lindsey Buckingham. He's now realising this as the record company is saying to him "She's touring solo out there selling out arenas and you think you can do something without her?! Don't make me laugh!!!"

except they don't have a record company.

see, the way the tone of your post strikes me is that for some reason you sound pi**d at LB. that's why i'm so confused about the title of this thread - seems there are many more who spell out their dislike for LB or other band members, than there are people "hating" on SN.

you are very right that they didn't release a new album in the last 10 years because Nicks did not want to record, for whatever reason that is. but you seem to be projecting whatever your opinion about Nicks and Buckingham and their relationship is onto some warped picture of FM power structure as a band. i do think that what you call a "record company" is actually all different band managers who need the band to make money for them, so they have a role you are talking about. and there's no doubt Nicks is the money maker in that band, so managers would insist the rest of the band caters to her. as far as the band members, i agree with you that there is a difference between who does the work in the band, who has the ideas, who pulls different strings, who is easy or hard to work with, who is the creative force, who is the face of the band, etc etc. and we all know that the picture the public sees, or the picture projected, may not be what really happens behind the scenes.

if there is a boss in that band though, or somebody who has the last word, i think it is probably Mick Fleetwood. and if he wants to make sure they can still make tons of money, he needs to appease Nicks, and will not let the new music coming out under Fleetwood Mac moniker. which is a shame, but we know the man is bad with his money. so i guess we wait and see, and as long as the music comes out next year, i for one will be more than happy! :thumbsup:

[bwboy]

Just curious. Is it because her latest tour is doing so well, preventing her from being exclusive to the band now that Christine has decided she wants to come back after a 16 year break?

Why doesn't the band just release what they have completed? Supposedly, they've completed most of their songs, so it must be ready. All they have to do is release it. Is the record label the hold up, or is it the band? Tango in the Night was released in April of 1987, I wonder if they want to release the Deluxe Tango first, to coincide with the 30th anniversary?

I just hope the band will release their album soon, since Stevie has made it clear she doesn't want to record with them anymore. And adding 20 more dates to her tour should be the final wake up call they need to see she means it.

[MikeInNV]

I think it's mainly that the people who don't like her anyway find it more convenient to blame her for the lack of new music from the other four, instead of placing the blame where it really lies, which is with the other four (although maybe now they are finally doing what they could've done months or years ago).

[dreamsunwind]

I love Stevie but she's a member of the band but she's acting as if she's only in the band for 50%. When Lindsey and Christine didn't want to be in the band, they left and gave the rest of them their blessing, they didn't put the rest of the band in this weird state of limbo where they're (in my opinion) understandably hesitant about how to act. I don't think it's right for people to be calling her names and everything but I can understand why people are frustrated.

I think even the title of these threads say a lot. "SN" fans versus "FM" when "SN" is literally a member of "FM".

[Macfanforever]

I think it's mainly that the people who don't like her anyway find it more convenient to blame her for the lack of new music from the other four, instead of placing the blame where it really lies, which is with the other four (although maybe now they are finally doing what they could've done months or years ago).

Good point there Mike.She making a killing with her current tour.I guess the Stevie haters boycott against her failed.LOL.........

[Macfanforever]

More likely I do blame all of them on this issue .They should put their differences or other issues aside and do it and get it over with before ITS TOO LATE....

[24karatstevie]

More likely I do blame all of them on this issue .They should put their differences or other issues aside and do it and get it over with before ITS TOO LATE....

I agree. They are all to blame for nothing getting done. That's why I find it strange that the fanbase has became so divided recently. I don't think that anyone in the band is "holding the other members hostage" like some are saying. At the end of the day, they all have the capacity to make their own decisions. FM will do what they choose and a bunch of fans arguing will not change that. And yes they just need to figure out something whether that is a Mac Four album and tour or big tour with Stevie because they're not getting any younger.

[Jondalar]

Don't we already have this thread?

Because she will not be on their last album and it's her own fault.

[FuzzyPlum]

Why are Fleetwood Mac fans so bitter about Stevie Nicks

For me it's her disregard for the band. You are either in a band or you aren't. I appreciate she's/they've had an on/off band/solo arrangement for a long time. However, she's known the anniversary year was coming up. At any other time- fair enough, do your own thing...we can wait. 2017 is a big year though. If ever they are going to do things that are special together this is it. Not only is she not doing a Fleetwood Mac album but she's seemingly intent on pushing the start of the tour back to 2018. Thus, the 50 year anniversary of Fleetwood Mac will in no way be marked by Stevie Nicks. That's sad.
The band have waited and waited and done all they could to persuade her. If they'd gone ahead and formulated plans for a release and tour without her you know she'd moan. The other four have therefore been backed into an impossible corner- they are damned if they do and damned if they dont.