Mck: FM finishing new album, SN likely not involved

[elle]

i think this needs a separate discussion thread since it's buried in the MBB and Mirage interview threads:

[Well, in the Spokesman Review article, Mick makes it sound like this band has FINALLY made the decision to put the album out without Stevie. I hope they will stick to that plan and he's not just bluffing.]

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/sep/22/for-the-love-of-blues/

“John and Christine and Lindsay, the four of us, are going to be finishing up some great music we’ve been working at,” Fleetwood said. “The music is really vibrant and really cool, and it’s Fleetwood Mac, basically.”

The only drawback: Stevie Nicks, who’s currently on a solo tour with the Pretenders, likely won’t be involved.

“Unlike anyone else in the band, she really does have a complete career on her own, you know?” Fleetwood said. “She doesn’t want to spend time in the studio, and she’s doing her own thing. You wish for something else, but that’s not fair after 30, 40 years of doing what we do. Everyone’s got to do what they feel they need at this point.

“But never say never. Down the road, we’re in a good position that we could add her songs and integrate her into some of the music we’ve been working on for four years. So that’s the state of Fleetwood Mac Nation.”

[HomerMcvie]

Ungrateful goat. :mad:

Edit - although I will say, as long as they release it, I'm good. Actually, if it means more duets with LB and Chris, I'm actually grateful she's ungrateful!

[SteveMacD]

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/john-mcvie-christine-mcvie-lindsey-buckingham-and-mick-fleetwood-of-picture-id96772526

Works for me.

[Jondalar]

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/john-mcvie-christine-mcvie-lindsey-buckingham-and-mick-fleetwood-of-picture-id96772526

Works for me.

Me too!!!!!!! Finally, some common sense. Lindsey and Christine are magic. Stevie found magic on 24k Gold. I would love another Tango In The Night and 24k Gold.

[WatchChain]

[QUOTE=elle;1191670]i think this needs a separate discussion thread since it's buried in the MBB and Mirage interview threads:[/QUOTE

TO ME, this quote from Mick in NO WAY sounds like they are ready and willing to release an album WITHOUT Stevie. Yes, it sounds like the album is basically FINISHED and just needs 3 of Stevie's new songs and some added Stevie harmony vocals on the completed tracks. This could easily be done is 6 weeks, just like the "Tango In The Night" situation where Stevie was NOT present for 90% of the recording process.

MARK MY WORDS: At this stage in the game, Fleetwood Mac will NEVER release an album as a QUARTET WITHOUT Stevie. It's just not a possibility.

Stevie will finish her solo hobby. Late next year, she'll phone in some songs for the Mac to complete, later spending 4-6 weeks in the studio. Case closed.

[bwboy]

Ungrateful goat. :mad:

Edit - although I will say, as long as they release it, I'm good. Actually, if it means more duets with LB and Chris, I'm actually grateful she's ungrateful!

Homer, I agree with you that Mick Fleetwood is an ungrateful goat. Stevie released 24 Karat and then went on that long tour with FM and only now is touring to promote her album. He should wait a few more months and once Stevie's done with her tour, she'll have time to record with the band.

[jwd]

“But never say never. Down the road, we’re in a good position that we could add her songs and integrate her into some of the music we’ve been working on for four years. So that’s the state of Fleetwood Mac Nation.”

More than likely this is what is going to happen. Mick is goad(t)ing :laugh:
Stevie by saying these things in the press and announcing the four of them will finish up recording a new album. I don't think either FM or Stevie really wants to release a record without all five on it.

[FuzzyPlum]

[QUOTE=elle;1191670]i think this needs a separate discussion thread since it's buried in the MBB and Mirage interview threads:[/QUOTE

TO ME, this quote from Mick in NO WAY sounds like they are ready and willing to release an album WITHOUT Stevie. Yes, it sounds like the album is basically FINISHED and just needs 3 of Stevie's new songs and some added Stevie harmony vocals on the completed tracks. This could easily be done is 6 weeks, just like the "Tango In The Night" situation where Stevie was NOT present for 90% of the recording process.

MARK MY WORDS: At this stage in the game, Fleetwood Mac will NEVER release an album as a QUARTET WITHOUT Stevie. It's just not a possibility.

Stevie will finish her solo hobby. Late next year, she'll phone in some songs for the Mac to complete, later spending 4-6 weeks in the studio. Case closed.


a) if she had any intentions of recording songs with/for Fleetwood Mac next year, why doesn't she just tell them?

b) 3 Stevie Nicks songs would just be a waste of time anyway. Christine has already contributed 7 and Lindsey had already done a load with Mick and John. If Stevie was only going to contribute 3 then that would be pretty pathetic. Clearly she might as well not bother.

Bring on the 15th (?) incarnation of Fleetwood Mac

[MikeVielhaber]

Homer, I agree with you that Mick Fleetwood is an ungrateful goat. Stevie released 24 Karat and then went on that long tour with FM and only now is touring to promote her album. He should wait a few more months and once Stevie's done with her tour, she'll have time to record with the band.

Let's be clear. The reason she hasn't contributed is not because she hasn't had time it's because she doesn't want to. She recorded her solo album at the very same time the band was recording new music. She made that choice knowing she wouldn't be able to promote it. She has time and time again opted not to record with the band. So it's not a matter of her schedule opening up. She has to have a change of heart first.

[SteveMacD]

TO ME, this quote from Mick in NO WAY sounds like they are ready and willing to release an album WITHOUT Stevie.
Really? It read to me like they're ready, willing, and expecting to release it without Stevie. They're finishing up what they've been working on over the past few years, which will take a while. Because they have more work to do, there's still time for Stevie to send them some songs, hence they're not ruling her participation out, but I don't think they're expecting anything from her. It sounds to me like they're resigned to the fact she won't be participating on the album, but are also resolved to release new music before the next tour anyway.

[blinker12]

I think what may have started this whole mess is the band starting work without Stevie. She didn't like it when they did it in 1987, and she doesn't like it now. At least back then they had an excuse: She was in rehab. This time? I bet she felt left out/pissed when she heard that Christine and Lindsey were hanging out, making music without her. The idea that she's "not a musician" and doesn't need to be involved at the outset of an album recording is an old, old sore spot for her. At this point, I wish they'd had the foresight to get together to say, "OK, we're all five back now. How can we collectively make a record in a way that works for everyone?"

In the meantime, I fear Mick making statements like this to the press is only making the situation worse.

[elle]

[QUOTE=WatchChain;1191676]


a) if she had any intentions of recording songs with/for Fleetwood Mac next year, why doesn't she just tell them?

b) 3 Stevie Nicks songs would just be a waste of time anyway. Christine has already contributed 7 and Lindsey had already done a load with Mick and John. If Stevie was only going to contribute 3 then that would be pretty pathetic. Clearly she might as well not bother.

Bring on the 15th (?) incarnation of Fleetwood Mac

just for the record - quotes got messed up and Fuzzy is replying to WatchChain's quote, not mine. :)

and i'm completely with you Fuzzy!!

[Macfanforever]

Oh well.Its looks like another boring album that I wont rush out and get it on the day it goes on sale .Plus it will sit like Time and others that I dont play often..:shocked:

Only kidding............................................................................

[elle]

I think what may have started this whole mess is the band starting work without Stevie. She didn't like it when they did it in 1987, and she doesn't like it now. At least back then they had an excuse: She was in rehab. This time? I bet she felt left out/pissed when she heard that Christine and Lindsey were hanging out, making music without her. The idea that she's "not a musician" and doesn't need to be involved at the outset of an album recording is an old, old sore spot for her. At this point, I wish they'd had the foresight to get together to say, "OK, we're all five back now. How can we collectively make a record in a way that works for everyone?"

that ship has sailed back in 2008-2009. when they were 4. the first time they asked her and Stevie refused to work on new FM album. so they went on the first of their greatest hits tours.

then again in 2010-2011.
then again in 2012.
then again in 2014.

they asked. every time she said no. they tried several different ways. she said no. i think the only time they started working without her was 2012. all other times they asked and wanted to start together with her. looks pretty obvious that every single time she said no.

so them finally getting her message seems pretty sensible, no?

[MikeVielhaber]

I think what may have started this whole mess is the band starting work without Stevie. She didn't like it when they did it in 1987, and she doesn't like it now. At least back then they had an excuse: She was in rehab. This time? I bet she felt left out/pissed when she heard that Christine and Lindsey were hanging out, making music without her. The idea that she's "not a musician" and doesn't need to be involved at the outset of an album recording is an old, old sore spot for her. At this point, I wish they'd had the foresight to get together to say, "OK, we're all five back now. How can we collectively make a record in a way that works for everyone?"

In the meantime, I fear Mick making statements like this to the press is only making the situation worse.

Well she was cool with it in 2002. And it's not like she wasn't invited.

I honestly don't care what Stevie thinks of Mick's comments. I could take or leave her at this point and would without reservation want a new album over waiting for her involvement.

[elle]

Really? It read to me like they're ready, willing, and expecting to release it without Stevie. They're finishing up what they've been working on over the past few years, which will take a while. Because they have more work to do, there's still time for Stevie to send them some songs, hence they're not ruling her participation out, but I don't think they're expecting anything from her. It sounds to me like they're resigned to the fact she won't be participating on the album, but are also resolved to release new music before the next tour anyway.

i hope you are right!

while i read the rest of it in Mick's quote, i don't see him saying anything about actually RELEASING that album.

[elle]

Let's be clear. The reason she hasn't contributed is not because she hasn't had time it's because she doesn't want to. She recorded her solo album at the very same time the band was recording new music. She made that choice knowing she wouldn't be able to promote it. She has time and time again opted not to record with the band. So it's not a matter of her schedule opening up. She has to have a change of heart first.

exactly.

i'm completely baffled how people still don't get that.

[Macfanforever]

It would be strange if the Mac plays the new tunes live on the next tour.I guess Stevie would just stand there and do nothing or go back stage since she was no part of it or she will put her 2 cents in and sing the ooohs and aaaahs to just make it look good.I would feel out of place if it was me.In another thing.Mick could be just doing this to set fire under her a$$ to wake her up and join them.

[elle]

It would be strange if the Mac plays the new tunes live on the next tour.I guess Stevie would just stand there and do nothing or go back stage since she was no part of it or she will put her 2 cents in and sing the ooohs and aaaahs to just make it look good.I would feel out of place if it was me.In another thing.Mick could be just doing this to set fire under her a$$ to wake her up and join them.

she doesn't participate in some of the songs as is, and hasn't on the last few tours. wouldn't be that unusual.

[Macfanforever]

she doesn't participate in some of the songs as is, and hasn't on the last few tours. wouldn't be that unusual.

Yes .At this point .I think shes done with them as more stuff comes out like this.

[Macfan4life]

Everyone is overreacting. Mick also used another interview a few months back to get Stevie's attention. Once her tour is over she will be tripping over herself to be included in the final Fleetwood Mac album. 100% guaranteed. Stevie has always, always played these games. Remember in 1983 when she said her involvement in any future Mac album depends on how nice everyone is. This is nothing new and if you ever followed the band this is normal. I would expect nothing more from Stevie. Let her enjoy her short tour and I know Christine will get her to join them in the studio. How in the world would Stevie sign on the dotted line for a huge world tour with the Mac in 2017 but want nothing to do with the album.
C'mon guys. We are smarter than this.

[elle]

C'mon guys. We are smarter than this.

don't burst our bubble, let us have at least a day to enjoy the chance of this album being incredible and actually coming out before the tour!

[elle]

How in the world would Stevie sign on the dotted line for a huge world tour with the Mac in 2017 but want nothing to do with the album.
easy! tours make money. albums don't.

[jbrownsjr]

don't burst our bubble, let us have at least a day to enjoy the chance of this album being incredible and actually coming out before the tour!

Money $$$$

[Bandon]

Everyone is overreacting. Mick also used another interview a few months back to get Stevie's attention. Once her tour is over she will be tripping over herself to be included in the final Fleetwood Mac album. 100% guaranteed. Stevie has always, always played these games. Remember in 1983 when she said her involvement in any future Mac album depends on how nice everyone is. This is nothing new and if you ever followed the band this is normal. I would expect nothing more from Stevie. Let her enjoy her short tour and I know Christine will get her to join them in the studio. How in the world would Stevie sign on the dotted line for a huge world tour with the Mac in 2017 but want nothing to do with the album.
C'mon guys. We are smarter than this.

I totally agree...he said they were moving forward without her, but at the end of the article, he leaves the door open....so political. :distress:

[BLY]

Everyone is overreacting. Mick also used another interview a few months back to get Stevie's attention. Once her tour is over she will be tripping over herself to be included in the final Fleetwood Mac album. 100% guaranteed. Stevie has always, always played these games. Remember in 1983 when she said her involvement in any future Mac album depends on how nice everyone is. This is nothing new and if you ever followed the band this is normal. I would expect nothing more from Stevie. Let her enjoy her short tour and I know Christine will get her to join them in the studio. How in the world would Stevie sign on the dotted line for a huge world tour with the Mac in 2017 but want nothing to do with the album.
C'mon guys. We are smarter than this.


Exactly..... This the same stuff that always goes on before a MAC release. It's the same BS just a different year. No new album under the Fleetwood Mac without Stevie.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Until there is a new FM album finished and in the Stores without Stevie on it I wouldn't believe a word of what comes out of Mick's mouth.

Same old FM drama...

[louielouie2000]

To me, this is no different from that Playboy interview Mick did several years back when he proclaimed that Fleetwood Mac was dead because Stevie refused to tour. It's interesting how the rest of the band in both situations laid all the groundwork for forward momentum, yet Stevie is the focus of both stories. I think in the end, Stevie just needs the validation of the rest of the band. She wants to be begged, and for the buck to stop with her. Then she can credit herself with FM's forward motion, like she always does. Maybe this is her way of getting the band to take her seriously since she doesn't play any instruments or produce. Whatever the case, I suspect she will come around in the end and do her part. It'll just have to be solely on her terms.

[pattyfan]

What is wrong with...

1. Stevie finishes her short tour

2. Everyone breaks for a couple months for the holidays

3. They work on the new CD for 3 months, Feb through April, (is it really that hard to do a CD in 3 months? lots of other artists do, and they have a lot of it already done)

4. Tour starts in Fall or Winter 2017.

??

Kevin

(I"m sure ya'll are going to post thousands of reasons why this won't work. :) )

[elle]

To me, this is no different from that Playboy interview Mick did several years back when he proclaimed that Fleetwood Mac was dead because Stevie refused to tour. It's interesting how the rest of the band in both situations laid all the groundwork for forward momentum, yet Stevie is the focus of both stories. I think in the end, Stevie just needs the validation of the rest of the band. She wants to be begged, and for the buck to stop with her. Then she can credit herself with FM's forward motion, like she always does. Maybe this is her way of getting the band to take her seriously since she doesn't play any instruments or produce. Whatever the case, I suspect she will come around in the end and do her part. It'll just have to be solely on her terms.

that would not be the way for your coworkers to take you more seriously. however that's the way to sell yourself to public as more important than you really are. which probably just makes your coworkers respect you even less.


what's different this time around are new statements from both Stevie and Christine that can be read that way - FM will stay all 5 for the next tour, the band is not breaking up even though just 4 are working on new album.

i'm cautiously optimistic!

[elle]

What is wrong with...

1. Stevie finishes her short tour

2. Everyone breaks for a couple months for the holidays

3. They work on the new CD for 3 months, Feb through April, (is it really that hard to do a CD in 3 months? lots of other artists do, and they have a lot of it already done)

4. Tour starts in Fall or Winter 2017.

??

Kevin

(I"m sure ya'll are going to post thousands of reasons why this won't work. :) )

no. just one reason: Stevie does not want to.

[BLY]

What is wrong with...

1. Stevie finishes her short tour

2. Everyone breaks for a couple months for the holidays

3. They work on the new CD for 3 months, Feb through April, (is it really that hard to do a CD in 3 months? lots of other artists do, and they have a lot of it already done)

4. Tour starts in Fall or Winter 2017.

??

Kevin




(I"m sure ya'll are going to post thousands of reasons why this won't work. :) )




I think that's exactly what's going to happen.

[Mr Scarrott]

she doesn't participate in some of the songs as is, and hasn't on the last few tours. wouldn't be that unusual.

As far as I can recall, the only songs Stevie hasn't sung anything on in the last few tours have been Big Love and Songbird. On the former maybe Lindsey would want to have his moment (and anyway, I don't think Stevie's contributions really worked when she sang on it at the RRHOF induction); on the latter, there would be nothing for her to add.

Oh yeah, and Oh Well and Go Insane in 2009, Come in 2003/4 Maybe there have been others since 1997? Not so many, really.

Hmm.. Not that Funny from 2013. She could have enhanced that one a bit.

OK, more than I thought, then. Still, it's not like when she used to disappear off the stage for YMLF in 1990, which wasn't great, but given her state of health at the time may have been excusable.

[aleuzzi]

I'm so relieved the band has decided to move forward! First Christine says she's returning to LA to continue workin on the record in October and now Mick confirms they will go ahead with the project with or without Stevie.

If Stevie wants in later on, cool--as long as it doesn't hold up the project until after the 2017 tour!

I am thrilled they've decided to call the project Fleetwood Mac. They did in in 2003 without Christine, they can do it in 2016 without Stevie. I'd love all four but am actually most interested in Christine's songs anyway.

[SteveMacD]

OK, more than I thought, then. Still, it's not like when she used to disappear off the stage for YMLF in 1990, which wasn't great, but given her state of health at the time may have been excusable.
If not altogether preferable.

[Jondalar]

I don't understand people. Does a rock have to hit you in the head before you realize that Stevie is not going to be on the next Fleetwood album? And guess what, it's not Christine's or Lindsey's fault. Stevie doesn't want to do it.

[Macfan4life]

I don't understand people. Does a rock have to hit you in the head before you realize that Stevie is not going to be on the next Fleetwood album? And guess what, it's not Christine's or Lindsey's fault. Stevie doesn't want to do it.
I am guessing you are under 14?
What do you want to bet?
She will be there. She has played this game before every album since Mirage.

[Jondalar]

I am guessing you are under 14?
What do you want to bet?
She will be there. She has played this game before every album since Mirage.

Run Forest - Run!!!!!!!!!

[BombaySapphire3]

I am guessing you are under 14?
What do you want to bet?
She will be there. She has played this game before every album since Mirage.

Well I am 54 and have been a fan since years before Mirage..She has never had zero participation in the making of a new Fleetwood Mac album over 2 and a half years after it's inception. If someone can cite a case otherwise I will stand corrected but I don't think that will be happening.

[Macfanforever]

easy! tours make money. albums don't.


I agree on that.

Money $$$$

Maybe they should cover the tune "Money".............

Until there is a new FM album finished and in the Stores without Stevie on it I wouldn't believe a word of what comes out of Mick's mouth.

Same old FM drama...

Yes .Where is his reality show.Also what the press prints out these days.

[WatchChain]

Let's be clear. The reason she hasn't contributed is not because she hasn't had time it's because she doesn't want to. She recorded her solo album at the very same time the band was recording new music. She made that choice knowing she wouldn't be able to promote it. She has time and time again opted not to record with the band. So it's not a matter of her schedule opening up. She has to have a change of heart first.

Actually, SHE RECORDED HER SOLO ALBUM BECAUSE, UNDER HER CONTACT WITH REPRISE RECORDS, SHE STILL OWED THE LABEL ONE MORE ALBUM. Record companies will give DUE DATES for albums to be completed. Warner/Reprise knew they would be releasing Stevie from her contract with the label right after she delivered the final album owed to them--24 Karat Gold. To be clear, recording her solo album had less to do with distracting Fleetwood Mac than it did fulfilling a contractual obligation to Warner/Reprise Records.

[secondhandchain]

what a b....

[WatchChain]

What is wrong with...

1. Stevie finishes her short tour

2. Everyone breaks for a couple months for the holidays

3. They work on the new CD for 3 months, Feb through April, (is it really that hard to do a CD in 3 months? lots of other artists do, and they have a lot of it already done)

4. Tour starts in Fall or Winter 2017.

??

Kevin

(I"m sure ya'll are going to post thousands of reasons why this won't work. :) )

This is exactly how the scenario will play out. People can say that STEVIE DOESN'T WANT TO RECORD WITH FLEETWOOD MAC ALL THEY WANT, and that may be the case. However, those the subscribe to the point of view obviously don't know the EGO of the High Priestess. EVEN IF Stevie truly doesn't want to record with Mac, her EGO and INNATE NEED TO BE ON THE STAGE would NEVER let her sit out an entire album and tour. Especially since she only has to phone in 3 songs and show up at the studio for about 4 weeks. WHAT STEVIE DOES NOT WANT IS TO SPEND 9-12 MONTHS HOLED UP IN A STUDIO WITH LINDSEY BUCKINGHAM. It has nothing to do with Chris, John and Mick. This is about the fact the Stevie cannot stand working with Lindsey in the studio as a record producer. She's fine walking onstage with him every night on tour, where the contact is limited to acting for a crowd. Moreover, Stevie can talk all she wants about not recording with Mac, BUT when push comes to shove, she'll send them 3 songs and show up for 4 weeks at the end of the sessions. Case closed.

[sorcerer999]

Actually, SHE RECORDED HER SOLO ALBUM BECAUSE, UNDER HER CONTACT WITH REPRISE RECORDS, SHE STILL OWED THE LABEL ONE MORE ALBUM. Record companies will give DUE DATES for albums to be completed. Warner/Reprise knew they would be releasing Stevie from her contract with the label right after she delivered the final album owed to them--24 Karat Gold. To be clear, recording her solo album had less to do with distracting Fleetwood Mac than it did fulfilling a contractual obligation to Warner/Reprise Records.

^^^ THANK YOU!!! This is it, exactly!

And this is just my opinion, but I also believe that Stevie's non committal attitude regarding a new Fleetwood Mac album has a lot to do with her playing the cards in negotiating for a new solo contract with Warner Brothers, allowing her to continue to release her own projects with them and staying on a major label. I'm willing to bet that Warner Brothers aren't too keen on giving a "green light" to release a Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie on it. Mick knows this. The rest of the band know it, and Stevie knows it. I'm thinking that, while Stevie's ego won't allow for a FM album to be released without her on it (as someone else mentioned) she will also try to convince Warner Brothers that the only way she will participate in a new Mac album will be if they give her another solo contract. I think it's all a negotiation tactic at this point.

I also believe that if that doesn't work, Christine will step in with an ultimatum and light a fire under Stevie to "get with the program". If she can't get a new solo contract with Warners or another major label, then Fleetwood Mac will be the ONLY link to releasing her music to the music buying public for the rest of her career. Now wouldn't THAT be an interesting turn of events! :laugh:

[Macfanforever]

This is exactly how the scenario will play out. People can say that STEVIE DOESN'T WANT TO RECORD WITH FLEETWOOD MAC ALL THEY WANT, and that may be the case. However, those the subscribe to the point of view obviously don't know the EGO of the High Priestess. EVEN IF Stevie truly doesn't want to record with Mac, her EGO and INNATE NEED TO BE ON THE STAGE would NEVER let her sit out an entire album and tour. Especially since she only has to phone in 3 songs and show up at the studio for about 4 weeks. WHAT STEVIE DOES NOT WANT IS TO SPEND 9-12 MONTHS HOLED UP IN A STUDIO WITH LINDSEY BUCKINGHAM. It has nothing to do with Chris, John and Mick. This is about the fact the Stevie cannot stand working with Lindsey in the studio as a record producer. She's fine walking onstage with him every night on tour, where the contact is limited to acting for a crowd. Moreover, Stevie can talk all she wants about not recording with Mac, BUT when push comes to shove, she'll send them 3 songs and show up for 4 weeks at the end of the sessions. Case closed.

Got a point there.No offense to Stevie and Lindsey and the Mac.. This reminds me about couple jobs I had.Got to go to work with some idiots and a poor management team.You get along with them or you dont and move on like I did.If its the bickering on how things should be done in the studio which I think its the issue here. .Let her do it her way and let Lindsey do it his way for the last time..They got to chill out and get it over with.At this day in age .Who needs it.

[jbrownsjr]

Run Forest - Run!!!!!!!!!

Life is like a box of chocolates.

[pattyfan]

This is exactly how the scenario will play out. People can say that STEVIE DOESN'T WANT TO RECORD WITH FLEETWOOD MAC ALL THEY WANT, and that may be the case. However, those the subscribe to the point of view obviously don't know the EGO of the High Priestess. EVEN IF Stevie truly doesn't want to record with Mac, her EGO and INNATE NEED TO BE ON THE STAGE would NEVER let her sit out an entire album and tour. Especially since she only has to phone in 3 songs and show up at the studio for about 4 weeks. WHAT STEVIE DOES NOT WANT IS TO SPEND 9-12 MONTHS HOLED UP IN A STUDIO WITH LINDSEY BUCKINGHAM. It has nothing to do with Chris, John and Mick. This is about the fact the Stevie cannot stand working with Lindsey in the studio as a record producer. She's fine walking onstage with him every night on tour, where the contact is limited to acting for a crowd. Moreover, Stevie can talk all she wants about not recording with Mac, BUT when push comes to shove, she'll send them 3 songs and show up for 4 weeks at the end of the sessions. Case closed.

And I agree with this, so it looks like we are doing a whole lot of agreeing. :) She made it sound in that last interview that being in the studio was torture. And for sure she meant with Lindsey. I'm not a big fan of Tango in the Night and to me it sounds like the least integrated of all the FM CDs. I hope the CD does come out and that it's fantastic and that the resulting music sounds as integrated as possible.

Kevin

[MikeVielhaber]

Actually, SHE RECORDED HER SOLO ALBUM BECAUSE, UNDER HER CONTACT WITH REPRISE RECORDS, SHE STILL OWED THE LABEL ONE MORE ALBUM. Record companies will give DUE DATES for albums to be completed. Warner/Reprise knew they would be releasing Stevie from her contract with the label right after she delivered the final album owed to them--24 Karat Gold. To be clear, recording her solo album had less to do with distracting Fleetwood Mac than it did fulfilling a contractual obligation to Warner/Reprise Records.

What do you know about the due dates in her contract? She said she did it because she had free time. Why would the record company give her a due date on a album when it could not be promoted? What would be their incentive to put out a certain failure? Her previous album came out 10 years after the one before it. And that one 7 years after the before it. There didn't seem to be due dates on those but she had a tight window n which she had to release a new album and only 3 years after he previous album? You realize none of that makes sense, right?

[BlueDenimLamp]

What do you know about the due dates in her contract? She said she did it because she had free time. Why would the record company give her a due date on a album when it could not be promoted? What would be their incentive to put out a certain failure? Her previous album came out 10 years after the one before it. And that one 7 years after the before it. There didn't seem to be due dates on those but she had a tight window n which she had to release a new album and only 3 years after he previous album?

She was under contract BEFORE Cm returned...She had a choice of quick album or no FM tour...

[elle]

There didn't seem to be due dates on those but she had a tight window n which she had to release a new album and only 3 years after he previous album? You realize none of that makes sense, right?

exactly! not sure whether people here don't realize it or just try to muddy the waters. or both.

10 years to do her last WB album but it just HAD to be done right when Mac reserved the dates in studio to work on new album with Chris, because deadline was then? Stevie must be a HUGE procrastinator!

[WatchChain]

What do you know about the due dates in her contract? She said she did it because she had free time. Why would the record company give her a due date on a album when it could not be promoted? What would be their incentive to put out a certain failure? Her previous album came out 10 years after the one before it. And that one 7 years after the before it. There didn't seem to be due dates on those but she had a tight window n which she had to release a new album and only 3 years after he previous album? You realize none of that makes sense, right?

Do some research on record labels and the music business. Record companies release records THAT THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF PROMOTING quite often when the artist is ON THE LAST ALBUM of their contract. It happens ALL THE TIME. In addition, they will often rush the last release just to complete the artist's contract so that both parties can move forward and onto other business ventures. Warner/Reprise had no intention of making money off "24 Karat Gold". Record labels know this, artists know this, it's just how the music business works. Stevie did NOT rush to Nashville to record with session musicians that are known to work FAST and EFFICIENT and quickly record albums like an assembly line because she had "free time". If she truly had "free time", 24 Karat Gold would have been recorded at the leisurely and enjoyable pace that "In Your Dreams" was. She can say whatever she wants. In addition, she told Dave Stewart that the album needed to be recorded quickly and HE suggested Nashville session players because they can record SO QUICKLY. You can check that. A record label can put forth a due date anytime it wants to. Recording contracts ARE ALWAYS written in the favor of the labels. Thus, it makes perfect sense.

[MikeVielhaber]

She was under contract BEFORE Cm returned...She had a choice of quick album or no FM tour...

She was under contract for decades. As mentioned before she took 10 years to release her previous album. Why was this one so urgent? And she had already agreed to the FM tour. Around January 2014 (the album was recorded in April, I believe, and the band convened in March to work on new material) she claimed to not have anything on the schedule for the next few months.

[MikeVielhaber]

Do some research on record labels and the music business. Record companies release records THAT THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF PROMOTING quite often when the artist is ON THE LAST ALBUM of their contract. It happens ALL THE TIME. In addition, they will often rush the last release just to complete the artist's contract so that both parties can move forward and onto other business ventures. Warner/Reprise had no intention of making money off "24 Karat Gold". Record labels know this, artists know this, it's just how the music business works. Stevie did NOT rush to Nashville to record with session musicians that are known to work FAST and EFFICIENT and quickly record albums like an assembly line because she had "free time". If she truly had "free time", 24 Karat Gold would have been recorded at the leisurely and enjoyable pace that "In Your Dreams" was. She can say whatever she wants. In addition, she told Dave Stewart that the album needed to be recorded quickly and HE suggested Nashville session players because they can record SO QUICKLY. You can check that. A record label can put forth a due date anytime it wants to. Recording contracts ARE ALWAYS written in the favor of the labels. Thus, it makes perfect sense.

I don't recall Stevie ever saying she was forced to make this album. She has said it fulfilled her contract but she never said she was required to deliver an album by a certain time. Anything to that effect is speculation. As I mentioned in my post above she claimed at the time when Christine joined that she had a few months to kill and nothing planned so she wasn't thinking of contractual obligation only a few months before recording the album.

[BlueDenimLamp]

She was under contract for decades. As mentioned before she took 10 years to release her previous album. Why was this one so urgent? And she had already agreed to the FM tour. Around January 2014 (the album was recorded in April, I believe, and the band convened in March to work on new material) she claimed to not have anything on the schedule for the next few months.

Seems you are having trouble understanding the concept that Stevie owed WB another record sometime before the end of 2015...Stevie recorded 24K before the FM tour because after the tour started she would not have had time to make the record...Christine's return was un-expected and Stevie was not planning on back to back FM tours that's why she was in a hurry to get 24K done and clear her calendar for the FM tour...

[KenshiMaster16]

To be frank, she'll be involved whether it's last minute contributions or not. I don't think her ego will be able to handle all the headlines that we all know will surely read "New Mac Album Released - Without Nicks" and then all the beginning paragraphs of said articles mentioning her refusal to contribute. There is a real growing hunger out there for a 5-piece final Mac album and a still ever-growing fanbase whom want it whether they buy it or torrent it. The desire for the project is still there and she will not want to look like the bad guy in the eyes of the media even though we all know here that they are grown adults, friends (even family) and support each other regardless of certain decisions.

[FuzzyPlum]

I sincerely hope the forthcoming album does not feature Stevie...
I can't imagine her being comfortable with the last Fleetwood Mac album being Stevie-less. If/when it comes out she'll regret it. That would lead to the possibility of one final album. Essentially, if she appears on this one then that's pretty much it. If she isn't then there's a chance of yet another one.

[elle]

I sincerely hope the forthcoming album does not feature Stevie...
I can't imagine her being comfortable with the last Fleetwood Mac album being Stevie-less. If/when it comes out she'll regret it. That would lead to the possibility of one final album. Essentially, if she appears on this one then that's pretty much it. If she isn't then there's a chance of yet another one.

i like the way you think!

also, it would not be fair to the other members of the band who i'm sure have plans for 2017 before starting that final looooong FM tour. they have lives and families. four different people would have to drop their own plans and go back in the studio all of the sudden to work on Stevie's songs if she decides at the last moment she'll join the band for that album after all. and they already rearranged their plans several times around Stevie in hope she'll join. now it looks they finally decided not to do that anymore.

and, if SN decides to join all of the sudden, album would not be cohesive, just like EP wasn't, if her stuff was cobbled on at the last minute.

[TheWILDheart]

As much of a die hard Stevie fan that I am, I often think that she just doesn't write songs like she used to. Perhaps her reluctance to record with Fleetwood Mac is because she doesn't have much to bring to the table.

All of Stevie's best tracks since TISL have been either old songs from the vault or co-writes. Writing poems is one thing, writing songs is another entirely and I get the impression that she can't really do it on her own anymore.

Her last album had NO NEW MATERIAL at all on it.

For someone who used to be a very prolific and powerful songwriter (love her or hate her for it), it must be difficult to come to terms with your skills not being what they used to be.

[WatchChain]

I don't recall Stevie ever saying she was forced to make this album. She has said it fulfilled her contract but she never said she was required to deliver an album by a certain time. Anything to that effect is speculation. As I mentioned in my post above she claimed at the time when Christine joined that she had a few months to kill and nothing planned so she wasn't thinking of contractual obligation only a few months before recording the album.

Yes, as BlueDenimLamp, another ledge poster stated--Stevie owed Warner/Reprise Records the final record of her contact by the end of 2015. Moreover, Stevie signed with Warner/Reprise for what appears to be a 5 album deal about 16 years ago when her contract with Modern/Atlantic ended. With the record label business as it is, management and A & R at Warner/Reprise has probably changed 5 or 6 times since then. She owed Reprise her final album, which she delivered. They had no intention of promoting it. "24 Karat Gold" simply fulfilled the contract so that both parties could move on. In fact, Reprise would have probably ended the final contracted album by releasing a GREATEST HITS/BEST OF record IF NOT FOR THE FACT that 2 records under her current contract were already "BEST OF" compilations ("Crystal Visions" and "Soundstage Sessions").

Thus, back to your original point......STEVIE WAS NOT CHOOSING TO SIMPLY MAKE A SOLO ALBUM AT THE SAME TIME THAT CHRISTINE & LINDSEY'S EARLY TRACKS WERE BEING RECORDED FOR A MAC ALBUM. It's simply not the case. As stated above, she was contractually obligated to Reprise when this new Mac thing came up. I've NEVER been one to sit on the "Defend Stevie" bandwagon (in fact, I'm quite frustrated with her reluctance to record with MAC in favor of a solo tour). However, let the facts be told. Therefore, I REALIZE that what I'm saying makes perfect sense.

[lilyfee]

As much of a die hard Stevie fan that I am, I often think that she just doesn't write songs like she used to. Perhaps her reluctance to record with Fleetwood Mac is because she doesn't have much to bring to the table.

All of Stevie's best tracks since TISL have been either old songs from the vault or co-writes. Writing poems is one thing, writing songs is another entirely and I get the impression that she can't really do it on her own anymore.

Her last album had NO NEW MATERIAL at all on it.

For someone who used to be a very prolific and powerful songwriter (love her or hate her for it), it must be difficult to come to terms with your skills not being what they used to be.

I beg to differ... Stevie hasn't lost her songwriting talent, just her inspiration. Many of her songs were inspired by relationships she was in or exciting things she was doing, and her life has calmed down considerably.

Look at Soldier's Angel for instance... A really beautiful, haunting song, because she was deeply inspired to write it.

I'd like to see Stevie challenge herself a little so that she has inspiring experiences to write about.

But in all honesty, there are undoubtedly old songs she could still pull out if necessary. I don't think there is any danger of her recording bad songs with FM at this point.

[shackin'up]

All of Stevie's best tracks since TISL have been either old songs from the vault or co-writes. Writing poems is one thing, writing songs is another entirely and I get the impression that she can't really do it on her own anymore.
.

Exactly. So why don't hand some of her poems over to Christine, let her write some basic melodies for it, let Chris hand the sketches over to Lindsey, let him fool around with them and then come to the studio to triowrite and finish them?

It may not be Stevie all over, but definately Fleetwood Mac. It's Basicly the same thing as Lindsey and Christine did.

And then we have a twelve song FM-album with two or three songwritingcredits per song on the sleeve. A Unique last dance.

[BLY]

[QUOTE=shackin'up;1191822]Exactly. So why don't hand some of her poems over to Christine, let her write some basic melodies for it, let Chris hand the sketches over to Lindsey, let him fool around with them and then come to the studio to triowrite and finish them?

It may not be Stevie all over, but definately Fleetwood Mac. It's Basicly the same thing as Lindsey and Christine did.

And then we have a twelve song FM-album with two or three songwritingcredits per song on the sleeve. A Unique last dance.[/QUOTE


I don't see this happening but it would make sense based on what has been done thus far. Stevie has nothing to loose but just gain handing over 3-4 songs and let the Fleetwood Mac magic happen. I still believe (with a few exceptions) her best crafted songs are with her band not solo.If she lets Lindsey do this one last time for her she will not have any regrets on the legacy of her Fleetwood Mac years.

[jwd]

Her last album had NO NEW MATERIAL at all on it.

It wasn't supposed to have any new songs on it. They were songs from "the vault". All old songs that never made it to FM or her solo records. That was the theme of the record.

[jwd]

All of Stevie's best tracks since TISL have been either old songs from the vault or co-writes. Writing poems is one thing, writing songs is another entirely and I get the impression that she can't really do it on her own anymore.

Tell that to Tom Petty! :nod:

[aleuzzi]

As much of a die hard Stevie fan that I am, I often think that she just doesn't write songs like she used to. Perhaps her reluctance to record with Fleetwood Mac is because she doesn't have much to bring to the table.

All of Stevie's best tracks since TISL have been either old songs from the vault or co-writes. Writing poems is one thing, writing songs is another entirely and I get the impression that she can't really do it on her own anymore.

Her last album had NO NEW MATERIAL at all on it.

For someone who used to be a very prolific and powerful songwriter (love her or hate her for it), it must be difficult to come to terms with your skills not being what they used to be.

Sadly, I think this is precisely the case. And if it is, I can only imagine the frustration and defensiveness she must be feeling right now. She has never been an accomplished musician, but for years she distinguished herself as a fine vocalist with unusually strong and original songwriting ideas...

[Dragon]

Fleetwood Mac has not released an album in over 13 years. Releasing a new album would be refreshing after three tours without an album.

I notice there is debate on Stevie's involvement and position in recording. I would like to see Stevie write and contribute new songs, and she her involved with Fleetwood Mac. Let her do her 24 Karat Gold tour with the Pretenders, then go full throttle into Fleetwood Mac in 2017.

In the meantime, Lindsey can use this time to finish up what he, Mick, John, and Christine have done so far. Fleetwood Mac or solo, Lindsey will be releasing an album in the future.

[nicepace]

This thread is so amusing. People using bold print, CAPITAL LETTERS, and final statements like "case closed" to indicate that they know the absolute truth about what is going to happen (and of course, the rest of us are just delusional).

I have no idea what is going to happen, but I can tell you what I want to happen. I want Mick, John, Christine, and Lindsey to put out an album as Fleetwood Mac, and I want them to put it out soon.

[jbrownsjr]

This thread is so amusing. People using bold print, CAPITAL LETTERS, and final statements like "case closed" to indicate that they know the absolute truth about what is going to happen (and of course, the rest of us are just delusional).

I have no idea what is going to happen, but I can tell you what I want to happen. I want Mick, John, Christine, and Lindsey to put out an album as Fleetwood Mac, and I want them to put it out soon.

And Christine just mentioned that very thing in RS.

[Nick]

And Christine just mentioned that very thing in RS.

I don't see it happening. Stevie's tour is only through the end of this year. I can't see her not joining them in 2017 to contribute to this album.

[shackin'up]

I don't see it happening. Stevie's tour is only through the end of this year. I can't see her not joining them in 2017 to contribute to this album.

Well... It is up to the Gods... Never say never. I hope that never lasts a while.

[MikeVielhaber]

I don't see it happening. Stevie's tour is only through the end of this year. I can't see her not joining them in 2017 to contribute to this album.

I can see her not doing it. She's been not doing it for 13 years.

[Nick]

I can see her not doing it. She's been not doing it for 13 years.

She would look like the ultimate c*nt if she didn't participate.

[shackin'up]

She would look like the ultimate c*nt if she didn't participate.

She already does by not participating. I bet Lindsey is working for months this year on new ideas and sketches from Christine to prepare recordingsessions with Chris.

[Nick]

She already does by not participating. I bet Lindsey is working for months this year on new ideas and sketches from Christine to prepare recordingsessions with Chris.

Let's just hope all the upcoming solo shows are half filled and she realizes she needs Fleetwood Mac.

[HomerMcvie]

Let's just hope all the upcoming solo shows are half filled and she realizes she needs Fleetwood Mac.

I'll be doing my part, by not purchasing a ticket! :D

[elle]

Let's just hope all the upcoming solo shows are half filled and she realizes she needs Fleetwood Mac.

exactly what i'm worried about. she should stick with solo through the 2017/18 Mac world tour.

[jbrownsjr]

exactly what i'm worried about. she should stick with solo through the 2017/18 Mac world tour.

Fmac sold out 6 LA shows... in hours the tickets were gone..

plus they did shows in Anaheim... all sold out... resales going for over 10K

Stevie has tons of seats left at the 1 Forum show.. plus, the resales will get released..

let's hope more people buy them and she quits FM

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie has tons of seats left at the 1 Forum show.. plus, the resales will get released..

let's hope more people buy them and she quits FM

I love you. :angel:

[TheWILDheart]

It wasn't supposed to have any new songs on it. They were songs from "the vault". All old songs that never made it to FM or her solo records. That was the theme of the record.

But why did she need to do that? If she was such a prolific songwriter, surely she would have an abundance of songs available to work from and mix with "songs from the vault" as she normally does?

Tell that to Tom Petty! :nod:


The 2 Tom Petty inspired songs that we know about from the TISL sessions were written in 1995 - 6 years before the album was released. They were already old. Also, the best songs on the album were vault songs, with the exception of "Fall From Grace".

[jkmaletic]

Fmac sold out 6 LA shows... in hours the tickets were gone..

plus they did shows in Anaheim... all sold out... resales going for over 10K

Stevie has tons of seats left at the 1 Forum show.. plus, the resales will get released..

let's hope more people buy them and she quits FM

How do you know this? Do you work for Ticketmaster? I mean, I don't think that sales have been particularly brisk, but at the same time I have no idea how many seats are left. I hope to God that Fleetwood Mac just goes ahead and finishes this album without her and tours without her. The quicker they announce they will indeed do this the quicker people will stop bickering and Stevie bashing on this board. Also, the name-calling....I mean, is that necessary? Are you that angry?
As far as playing smaller venues go, I think Christine is hoping for that. But I don't know who makes the decisions on how big the venues are that they play. I would imagine if the four of them do tour, venues like the Forum will be booked.

Jamie

[seekerj]

A question to all the little spoiled brats that believe that anyone in this world owes them anything and that are having little hissy fits and behaving like children because they aren't getting their own way and what they want and it isn't coming fast enough:

Just please, just answer this question.

Why was it ok for Lindsey to take a 10-year break from FM, and a planned 2 - 3 year break from FM after Say You Will to do his solo albums and tour, and it was ok for CM to take 16 years away to do whatever she wanted, but it's not ok for Stevie?

WHY????

Is it timing? Is it just because Christine's current mood swing is that she decided she wants to be in the band again, so the entitled brats on this list believe everyone should drop everything and go work on her bland, trite, nothing-to-say songs?

[jkmaletic]

Oh and about how "old" her songs are. Why does it matter when they were written? And who's to say she doesn't have new material? Unless you live with her and you have access to look through her personal writings, I'm not sure how anyone can say that.

Jamie

[HomerMcvie]

A question to all the little spoiled brats that believe that anyone in this world owes them anything and that are having little hissy fits and behaving like children because they aren't getting their own way and what they want and it isn't coming fast enough:

Just please, just answer this question.

Why was it ok for Lindsey to take a 10-year break from FM, and a planned 2 - 3 year break from FM after Say You Will to do his solo albums and tour, and it was ok for CM to take 16 years away to do whatever she wanted, but it's not ok for Stevie?

WHY????

Is it timing? Is it just because Christine's current mood swing is that she decided she wants to be in the band again, so the entitled brats on this list believe everyone should drop everything and go work on her bland, trite, nothing-to-say songs?

Because Chris finally came back, and it's ALL of them.

And HELLO, they're getting OLD. One of them is going to die. Then it's gonna be too late!

We want this before it's too late!!!!

Now do you get it???

[jbrownsjr]

How do you know this? Do you work for Ticketmaster? I mean, I don't think that sales have been particularly brisk, but at the same time I have no idea how many seats are left. I hope to God that Fleetwood Mac just goes ahead and finishes this album without her and tours without her. The quicker they announce they will indeed do this the quicker people will stop bickering and Stevie bashing on this board. Also, the name-calling....I mean, is that necessary? Are you that angry?
As far as playing smaller venues go, I think Christine is hoping for that. But I don't know who makes the decisions on how big the venues are that they play. I would imagine if the four of them do tour, venues like the Forum will be booked.

Jamie

Wow lot's of questions. I went online and looked at the seats for both FMac (at the time in 2014 for their numerous shows) and Stevie's show. Was curious to see how many seats were left at this point compared to the FMac shows back in 2014-2015. With Fmac there weren't any. It sold so fast I was panicking about paying such high dollars for bad seats. I do know someone at a ticket agency and was able to get decent seats for 3 of the shows and it was costly but didn't break me. Stevie's prices are pretty reasonable for the amount of seats she has left for only one show. But there's whole sections with lots of seats. That's good news for people that still want to go. I wouldn't mind seeing the Pretenders, they are a decent band and I like her voice.

I'm not angry at all, I'm so happy that FMac would finally get the guts to do an album and tour without Stevie. I don't think I've called her any names. Although I think her voice is so nasal that I won't miss that aspect of her singing. She sounds very throaty to my ears. I do get frustrated with her making everything about herself; however, I'm not mad about her tour. Especially if it gives the other four members time to work without her and a chance to see more art vs. her bloviating and pretension. Not angry about it at all. Excited as hell.

Seems like you're angry or frustrated though. Keep in mind, it's an open forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion. We don't have to all like or appreciate the same things. I'm actually in the minority as there are tons of Stevie fans. I'm just not afraid to voice my opinion.

[jbrownsjr]

A question to all the little spoiled brats that believe that anyone in this world owes them anything and that are having little hissy fits and behaving like children because they aren't getting their own way and what they want and it isn't coming fast enough:

Just please, just answer this question.

Why was it ok for Lindsey to take a 10-year break from FM, and a planned 2 - 3 year break from FM after Say You Will to do his solo albums and tour, and it was ok for CM to take 16 years away to do whatever she wanted, but it's not ok for Stevie?

WHY????

Is it timing? Is it just because Christine's current mood swing is that she decided she wants to be in the band again, so the entitled brats on this list believe everyone should drop everything and go work on her bland, trite, nothing-to-say songs?

Haha! Love this post. So bitter. I think the spoiled brats know that when the Queen returns everyone falls in line!! ;)

[olive]

One of them is going to die.



I have a sinking feeling that may happen

[jkmaletic]

Wow lot's of questions. I went online and looked at the seats for both FMac (at the time in 2014 for their numerous shows) and Stevie's show. Was curious to see how many seats were left at this point compared to the FMac shows back in 2014-2015. With Fmac there weren't any. It sold so fast I was panicking about paying such high dollars for bad seats. I do know someone at a ticket agency and was able to get decent seats for 3 of the shows and it was costly but didn't break me. Stevie's prices are pretty reasonable for the amount of seats she has left for only one show. But there's whole sections with lots of seats. That's good news for people that still want to go. I wouldn't mind seeing the Pretenders, they are a decent band and I like her voice.

I'm not angry at all, I'm so happy that FMac would finally get the guts to do an album and tour without Stevie. I don't think I've called her any names. Although I think her voice is so nasal that I won't miss that aspect of her singing. She sounds very throaty to my ears. I do get frustrated with her making everything about herself; however, I'm not mad about her tour. Especially if it gives the other four members time to work without her and a chance to see more art vs. her bloviating and pretension. Not angry about it at all. Excited as hell.

Seems like you're angry or frustrated though. Keep in mind, it's an open forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion. We don't have to all like or appreciate the same things. I'm actually in the minority as there are tons of Stevie fans. I'm just not afraid to voice my opinion.
I only get angry when people are just downright mean, regardless of their opinion. I was directing that part of my post to those who ARE calling her names and are angry. The first part of my post, about the ticket sales, was directed toward you.

Glad you're happy.

Jamie

[jbrownsjr]

I only get angry when people are just downright mean, regardless of their opinion. I was directing that part of my post to those who ARE calling her names and are angry. The first part of my post, about the ticket sales, was directed toward you.

Glad you're happy.

Jamie

Well, you might be happy.. Check out San Diego tickets. There might be some good seats at reasonable prices.. I love going down to San Diego for shows. Usually better prices and I love the city. Saw Steve Winwood in San Diego.

[jkmaletic]

Well, you might be happy.. Check out San Diego tickets. There might be some good seats at reasonable prices.. I love going down to San Diego for shows. Usually better prices and I love the city. Saw Steve Winwood in San Diego.

Thanks for the info. I will check out that broker if I have to. I don't have tickets yet so I may need to do that. Unfortunately Steve is not playing in San Diego though. Closest venue for me would be Los Angeles Forum. But I did see she just added a Vegas show. Those tickets are pricey, $275 is the top-tier Ticketmaster price. What happened to back in the day when Vegas was the cheap place to go see concerts, LOL?

[jbrownsjr]

Thanks for the info. I will check out that broker if I have to. I don't have tickets yet so I may need to do that. Unfortunately Steve is not playing in San Diego though. Closest venue for me would be Los Angeles Forum. But I did see she just added a Vegas show. Those tickets are pricey, $275 is the top-tier Ticketmaster price. What happened to back in the day when Vegas was the cheap place to go see concerts, LOL?

Vegas and LA are pricey because of celebs.. You can wait.. if the shows don't sell a lot of tickets they get released and a flood of good seats sometimes show up last min.

It's a gamble, but it has been known to pay off.

[elle]

Thanks for the info. I will check out that broker if I have to.

You can wait.. if the shows don't sell a lot of tickets they get released and a flood of good seats sometimes show up last min.

even when shows sell, some seats are not originally offered and get dropped closer to the date. i bought most of my FM tickets for the last tour that way.

Jamie is happy about Stevie's solo tour, and you and i are ecstatic about the prospect of the album and this 4/5 tour. we are not the bitter ones. but there are some (not all by any means!) SN fans that are inexplicably bitter, and trying their hardest to put down various FM members. come on people, other than BN fans for whom i could understand if they are not exactly ecstatic, the rest of us are getting some incredible gifts from the band members we love! :] :thumbsup:

[jkmaletic]

I wonder if there are any fans here, that if they were able to rub a magic lamp and have an emerging genie grant them 3 wishes, if one of their wishes would to be that Stevie and Lindsey never met....

[~*BellaDonna*~]

I wonder if there are any fans here, that if they were able to rub a magic lamp and have an emerging genie grant them 3 wishes, if one of their wishes would to be that Stevie and Lindsey never met....
At times....

[jbrownsjr]

I wonder if there are any fans here, that if they were able to rub a magic lamp and have an emerging genie grant them 3 wishes, if one of their wishes would to be that Stevie and Lindsey never met....

As much as shippers annoy the crap out of me. Mainly because it's just really creepy. I'm glad they met. I love their story. They play the love card too much. The lyrics are getting a bit overstated. But I think other stories branched out and made the full story of FMAC amazing. FMAC put their story on the map. And in a way, they put FMAC back on the map.

[elle]

As much as shippers annoy the crap out of me. Mainly because it's just really creepy. I'm glad they met. I love their story. They play the love card too much. The lyrics are getting a bit overstated. But I think other stories branched out and made the full story of FMAC amazing. FMAC put their story on the map. And in a way, they put FMAC back on the map.

yes!

i'm grateful for the history which brought us this band and all its reincarnations and put Lindsey Buckingham on my radar.

but also, it's time to stop dwelling on the past and focus on new chapters by the band members who are ready to do that! what they are planning to do in the next year is different, new and exciting! :] and completely unexpected judging by their history. hope it really happens!!

[jcalzaretta]

She recorded a record and instead of touring for it, she toured with Fleetwood Mac. She said she wanted to tour for 24 Karat. Let her tour and then go to the studio. What is wrong with that?

[elle]

She recorded a record and instead of touring for it, she toured with Fleetwood Mac. She said she wanted to tour for 24 Karat. Let her tour and then go to the studio. What is wrong with that?

they waited on her since 2009, that's wrong. there's always another excuse.

what was she doing for the first 8 months of this year? Chris was in LA for like 2 months ready to work on that album, Stevie was in LA at the time as was the rest of the band members (they all did that Dodgers gig), so what was wrong with that timing? why didn't she want to work with the band then?

they can put out what they have as 4, and then she can join when she's ready and they can put out another album as 5. how great would that be??

[jwd]

But why did she need to do that? If she was such a prolific songwriter, surely she would have an abundance of songs available to work from and mix with "songs from the vault" as she normally does?

Well, this is what Stevie said as to why she did 24KG:

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6266329/stevie-nicks-interview-on-don-henley-fleetwood-mac-24-karat-gold-album

Why old songs instead of new ones?

This album was made very fast. When [John McVie] got cancer, we had to cancel our tour of Australia. I had some free time, and I thought, "Maybe I should make a record." All over the Internet, there are songs I wrote but never released, and people keep saying, "Why don't you record these songs for real?" I'd never had time to do that. Now I had an empty, precious three months.

My previous album, In Your Dreams, took a year and two months. So I called [In Your Dreams producer] Dave Stewart and said, "How do we make a record in two months?" And he said, "We go to Nashville." He told me, "In Nashville, you hire the best studio musicians, and they record two songs a day. On a really good day, they might even do three." I was laughing, because I didn't believe him. But we were there for three weeks, and we recorded 17 songs in 15 days.




The 2 Tom Petty inspired songs that we know about from the TISL sessions were written in 1995 - 6 years before the album was released. They were already old. Also, the best songs on the album were vault songs, with the exception of "Fall From Grace".


My Tom Petty reference was in relation to Tom telling Stevie she doesn't need him to help her write songs, she's capable of doing it herself. This was '94 I believe, so it did inspire her to write some good songs between '95 and '01, eventually leading to TISL. It wasn't necessarily about a song or two in particular, but motivation to start writing again.

[elle]

This album was made very fast. When [John McVie] got cancer, we had to cancel our tour of Australia. [B]I had some free time, and I thought, "Maybe I should make a record." All over the Internet, there are songs I wrote but never released, and people keep saying, "Why don't you record these songs for real?" I'd never had time to do that. Now I had an empty, precious three months.

see? she says herself she HAD TIME.

yet you are arguing she couldn't contribute to Mac album becuase sshe didn't have time.

:shrug:

[jbrownsjr]

see? she says herself she HAD TIME.

yet you are arguing she couldn't contribute to Mac album becuase sshe didn't have time.

:shrug:

She's had so many excuses. she's so lame about it, now. There was the one article that said she was tired and hadn't been to her trailer house in Malibu that she'd bought.

Everything that comes out of her mouth is PR crap.

[MikeVielhaber]

Well, this is what Stevie said as to why she did 24KG:

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6266329/stevie-nicks-interview-on-don-henley-fleetwood-mac-24-karat-gold-album

Why old songs instead of new ones?

This album was made very fast. When [John McVie] got cancer, we had to cancel our tour of Australia. I had some free time, and I thought, "Maybe I should make a record." All over the Internet, there are songs I wrote but never released, and people keep saying, "Why don't you record these songs for real?" I'd never had time to do that. Now I had an empty, precious three months.

My previous album, In Your Dreams, took a year and two months. So I called [In Your Dreams producer] Dave Stewart and said, "How do we make a record in two months?" And he said, "We go to Nashville." He told me, "In Nashville, you hire the best studio musicians, and they record two songs a day. On a really good day, they might even do three." I was laughing, because I didn't believe him. But we were there for three weeks, and we recorded 17 songs in 15 days.


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Notice she doesn't mention her contract or the record label at all. She says she made it to fill up free time. The free time that happened to coincide with her band mates recording new material for 2 months. She couldn't even stop in for like a week.

[Nathan]

I wonder if there are any fans here, that if they were able to rub a magic lamp and have an emerging genie grant them 3 wishes, if one of their wishes would to be that Stevie and Lindsey never met....

That is a trip. Some of us might then be different too. Interesting.

[jwd]

see? she says herself she HAD TIME.

yet you are arguing she couldn't contribute to Mac album becuase sshe didn't have time.

:shrug:

I'm taking that as a general you because I never made that argument.

[elle]

I'm taking that as a general you because I never made that argument.

good clarification, yes.

and thank you for putting up her quote which wipes out that argument. :wavey:

[jwd]

good clarification, yes.

and thank you for putting up her quote which wipes out that argument. :wavey:

My pleasure! Anything I can do to help sort this mess out!! :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

My pleasure! Anything I can do to help sort this mess out!! :laugh:

Can you get the four of them to record, and tour now? lol

[jwd]

Can you get the four of them to record, and tour now? lol

I'll be talking to Christine this weekend, I'll see what I can do! :wavey:

[secondhandchain]

Notice she doesn't mention her contract or the record label at all. She says she made it to fill up free time. The free time that happened to coincide with her band mates recording new material for 2 months. She couldn't even stop in for like a week.

I thought she HATED staying in the studio for months doiing all those over dubs. She did it with In your Dreams (1 year and 2 months according to her) and she LOVED IT! Stop with all your lies Stevie! It's tiring.

[jbrownsjr]

I thought she HATED staying in the studio for months doiing all those over dubs. She did it with In your Dreams (1 year and 2 months according to her) and she LOVED IT! Stop with all your lies Stevie! It's tiring.

You know how I can tell Stevie is lying?

Her lips are moving.

[louielouie2000]

I thought she HATED staying in the studio for months doiing all those over dubs. She did it with In your Dreams (1 year and 2 months according to her) and she LOVED IT! Stop with all your lies Stevie! It's tiring.

She also talked about how awful recording Say You Will was, and how displeased she was with her songs. Yet who did she call for her next solo album, then brag about his talents? Lindsey Buckingham. It's all just a power play for her.

[jbrownsjr]

She also talked about how awful recording Say You Will was, and how displeased she was with her songs. Yet who did she call for her next solo album, then brag about his talents? Lindsey Buckingham. It's all just a power play for her.

A lot of people thought that was because they were in love... she knew that having him on there was a good choice artistically and .. IT SELLS!

People love to ship them and she knows it. And finally, she's the BOSS for her own stuff. She would love to be in charge with him in the studio.

[elle]

She also talked about how awful recording Say You Will was, and how displeased she was with her songs. Yet who did she call for her next solo album, then brag about his talents? Lindsey Buckingham. It's all just a power play for her.

yes! i think you hit the nail on the head. :nod:

[jkmaletic]

I thought she HATED staying in the studio for months doiing all those over dubs. She did it with In your Dreams (1 year and 2 months according to her) and she LOVED IT! Stop with all your lies Stevie! It's tiring.

I could be wrong, but I think she's referring to hating the process when she ends up doing a lot of arguing with the producer. From what I know, that didn't happen with Dave Stewart, which is why she didn't complain about that ith IYD.

Jamie

[jkmaletic]

She also talked about how awful recording Say You Will was, and how displeased she was with her songs. Yet who did she call for her next solo album, then brag about his talents? Lindsey Buckingham. It's all just a power play for her.

She called on him for one song, not the entire record.

[louielouie2000]

She called on him for one song, not the entire record.

Yes, but if she hated what he did with her music, and if working with him in the studio was so grievous, why would she chose to include him in the refuge that is her solo career?

[jkmaletic]

Yes, but if she hated what he did with her music, and if working with him in the studio was so grievous, why would she chose to include him in the refuge that is her solo career?

Maybe it's one of those situations with dealing with someone you don't get along with for a couple weeks is tolerable, but doing it for an entire year might be too much?

[BlueDenimLamp]

Yes, but if she hated what he did with her music, and if working with him in the studio was so grievous, why would she chose to include him in the refuge that is her solo career?

Maybe it's one of those situations with dealing with someone you don't get along with for a couple weeks is tolerable, but doing it for an entire year might be too much?

It's as simple as this...It was Stevie's song recorded in Stevie's house (literally) so if at any time she wanted him gone all she had to do was say the word and bye-bye Lindsey...Now if he were to work with Stevie the same way within the frame work of FM great things could happen but as we all know "Overdub" always has to have Stevie's song HIS way and that's the problem...

[aleuzzi]

She still can't forgive him for lecturing her on rules of "good writing" when he was picking apart her lyrics to "Throw Down" in the Destiny Rules doc.

I mean, would he tell such things to Bob Dylan? Holy blonde-on-blonde vs. sable-on-blonde batman, he would not...

[jbrownsjr]

She still can't forgive him for lecturing her on rules of "good writing" when he was picking apart her lyrics to "Throw Down" in the Destiny Rules doc.

I mean, would he tell such things to Bob Dylan? Holy blonde-on-blonde vs. sable-on-blonde batman, he would not...

I know, nothing ever changes, you know it doesn't. I mean nothing every changes oh you know it doesn't.

[jkmaletic]

She still can't forgive him for lecturing her on rules of "good writing" when he was picking apart her lyrics to "Throw Down" in the Destiny Rules doc.

I mean, would he tell such things to Bob Dylan? Holy blonde-on-blonde vs. sable-on-blonde batman, he would not...
That's likely just one of MANY such instances.

[aleuzzi]

That's likely just one of MANY such instances.

My comment was arch (hence the second paragraph). I'm sure her resistance to working with LB stems from much more than this.

[Jondalar]

She still can't forgive him for lecturing her on rules of "good writing" when he was picking apart her lyrics to "Throw Down" in the Destiny Rules doc.

I mean, would he tell such things to Bob Dylan? Holy blonde-on-blonde vs. sable-on-blonde batman, he would not...

He was right. It didn't make a lick of sense after she changed the lyrics. The lyrics are embarrassingly bad.

[bwboy]

No, Lindsey wouldn't have suggested Dylan change the lyrics. Since when does producing a song give the producer the right to say the songwriter should change the lyrics, anyway?

[jbrownsjr]

No, Lindsey wouldn't have suggested Dylan change the lyrics. Since when does producing a song give the producer the right to say the songwriter should change the lyrics, anyway?

That's his job:shrug: You have to let the artist know what you think of it. The sound, the lyric, the arrangment. A producer's job is to get the best out of the artist. All of it.

[elle]

No, Lindsey wouldn't have suggested Dylan change the lyrics. Since when does producing a song give the producer the right to say the songwriter should change the lyrics, anyway?

since it's usually a collaboration. instead of some weird power play.

constructive suggestions are a good thing. and, not everyone demands everybody around them constantly walks on eggs, kisses their behind, and agrees with everything they do.

[michelej1]

That's his job:shrug: You have to let the artist know what you think of it. The sound, the lyric, the arrangment. A producer's job is to get the best out of the artist. All of it.

I don't know if a producer should concern himself with pronouns, but the point is you say something, the other person says go stuff it and that's the end of it. You don't need to talk about it for 10 years straight and include an intense discussion about it in your IYD movie, years after it happened.

Stevie always has critical things to say about Lindsey and he just ignores her. I mean, Lindsey has his moments. He has never gotten over John and Mick asking him to use a pick, which he did for a minute or two, but apparently it scarred him for life. Talk to him for an hour today and he'll probably bring it up again.

But that's his problem. It's not an example of John and Mick abuse by any means. If his Thrown Down critique is an example of his being overbearing towards Stevie in the studio, that's just proof that Stevie has been Ayatollah complaining about absolutely nothing all of these years. She should be able to come up with a better example than that of his controlling, unreasonable ways. If there are other examples of his abuse, why doesn't she give them. The fact that she had to use that very old one in her movie kind of tells me that's all she could think of.

Michele

[SteveMacD]

I don't know if a producer should concern himself with pronouns, but the point is you say something, the other person says go stuff it and that's the end of it. You don't need to talk about it for 10 years straight and include an intense discussion about it in your IYD movie, years after it happened.

Stevie always has critical things to say about Lindsey and he just ignores her. I mean, Lindsey has his moments. He has never gotten over John and Mick asking him to use a pick, which he did for a minute or two, but apparently it scarred him for life. Talk to him for an hour today and he'll probably bring it up again.

But that's his problem. It's not an example of John and Mick abuse by any means. If his Thrown Down critique is an example of his being overbearing towards Stevie in the studio, that's just proof that Stevie has been Ayatollah complaining about absolutely nothing all of these years. She should be able to come up with a better example than that of his controlling, unreasonable ways. If there are other examples of his abuse, why doesn't she give them. The fact that she had to use that very old one in her movie kind of tells me that's all she could think of.
It probably stung a little more because it was kind of love song she wrote for him and his first response was to criticize it. That had to sting. However, at some point, she needs to get over it.

[shackin'up]

No, Lindsey wouldn't have suggested Dylan change the lyrics.

Actually, if Dylan wrote those lyrics and was a member of Fleetwood Mac, he would have.

[bwboy]

You're right.

[jbrownsjr]

It probably stung a little more because it was kind of love song she wrote for him and his first response was to criticize it. That had to sting. However, at some point, she needs to get over it.

If I remember correctly, he was just doing his job as a producer. And she said, (paraphrasing) "well you wouldn't tell Bob Dylan that." And he said something along the lines of, this isn't an abstract piece like Bob Dylan writes. It's more of a literal type of lyric and I wanted to point it out. I think it's a producer's job to say something. As much as saying, "hey you are flat on this note.. measure 18 beat 3.. "

I think he dropped it pretty quickly.

[Phil]

It amuses me that "Thrown Down" is often referenced for grammatically incorrect lyrics during the SYW sessions when the most obvious blunder would have to be "I should have turned around and ran" from "Smile At You". As much as I love this song, particularly the newly-surfaced version on Mirage Deluxe, employing the wrong tense just to get an easy rhyme seems lazy and stupid.

[jbrownsjr]

It amuses me that "Thrown Down" is often referenced for grammatically incorrect lyrics during the SYW sessions when the most obvious blunder would have to be "I should have turned around and ran" from "Smile At You". As much as I love this song, particularly the newly-surfaced version on Mirage Deluxe, employing the wrong tense just to get an easy rhyme seems lazy and stupid.

Maybe it's not FOR YOU AND I to say. ;)

but, for me... I agree...

[bombaysaffires]

It's as simple as this...It was Stevie's song recorded in Stevie's house (literally) so if at any time she wanted him gone all she had to do was say the word and bye-bye Lindsey...Now if he were to work with Stevie the same way within the frame work of FM great things could happen but as we all know "Overdub" always has to have Stevie's song HIS way and that's the problem...

Agreed, she likes his talent and what he brings to her songs but not EVERY thing he does with them, so when it's her solo stuff she can keep what she likes and change what she doesn't of his contribution.

And that's the key word: she likes when he CONTRIBUTES to her songs, not when he CONTROLS her songs.

I agree the Thrown Down bit was overplayed by her, but again, and it always astonishes me when people forget this-- any of the "documentaries" of them making albums aren't really that REAL folks. They KNOW they are being filmed and they modulate their behavior. Are they going to have those "eff you" screaming fights Ken wrote about with cameras rolling? Uh, no. And if they somehow did, you bet your booty those bits would get edited out. I mean, if you watch the Tusk doc you'd think it was peachy all the time. Well, for one, we never saw anything about Lindsey recording at home or coming in and playing something saying "i recorded this at home" they touched on it but watching it you're left with the impression it was really mostly all done in the studio. You see no fights. Stevie has talked about, and Hernan Rojas who engineered on it has said, that the Tusk sessions could get really bad with both her and Lindsey and her and Mick. You get a wee taste of that in the clip where she's behind Lindsey at the controls in the studio and he kinda rides over her comment about the Mills Brothers and she makes the crazy sign with her hand. But that's hearts and roses compared to what really went on that they and their marketing people didn't put in the final cut.

So I believe her when she says he was a real turd to her in the studio over many years. He seems to have stepped back from a lot of that and acknowledged it, saying on SYW he wanted her to feel comfortable with him in the studio. But she's not having it. Lindsey always likes to talk about "burning bridges" and maybe he burned that bridge so badly in the past it's just too late to rebuild it. :shrug:

[SteveMacD]

I think Lindsey gets a bum rap for SYW. From the outset, it was going to be a solo album. Even though he was playing with Mick, John, and Chris, it was HIS album, not a democratic band project.

So when it was decided to turn it into a Fleetwood Mac album, Lindsey had the task of creating something cohesive with what he had intended for his solo album over a number of years, and all the quirks that come with that, and Stevie's material. In hindsight, maybe he was too invested to be objective with her material.

[johnnystorms]

Yes, but if she hated what he did with her music, and if working with him in the studio was so grievous, why would she chose to include him in the refuge that is her solo career?

Because it's all a press/media circus front. Even in the supposed deepest , worst estrangement, she brought him in to do Twisted as a duet! ALL of this media coyness is just to milk the passions of the fan-base. If she were done with FM, she'd say "I'm finished with Fleetwood Mac" . Imagine the press she'd get from that dramatic announcement.