You guys think there will be a deluxe Tango?

[Wdm6789]

It would be really cool, especially if they included You and I part 1 and Ricky, and live tracks from the Tango tour. I really like 1987 live Everywhere.

[bwboy]

I think it will have a deluxe edition, along with a DVD of the concert. I will only buy that if they include either the entire video concert or at least audio. Would love to hear Brown Eyes live, for example.

[AncientQueen]

Nope. I don't think that any of the songs would sound less dated in another version, the songwriting is not really that good on the album, they masked that with the then top notch modern production, which of course now is outdated.

[jbrownsjr]

So many good songs.. I would love a deluxe tango.. I love the different versions of Isn't It Midnight..

[FuzzyPlum]

Would love a deluxe Tango In The Night with all the extra tracks. It would be great to get have a proper, sensibly edited concert footage DVD with all the songs omitted from the original film.
As Mirage is coming out this side of Christmas I feel sure Tango In The Night will come out some time early next year for it's anniversary.

[Andy Man]

I think that there will be a deluxe of Tango because (a) it has some of the band's biggest hits (Everywhere, Little Lies), (b) it was a massive seller at the time, and (c) judging from the decision to re-release Mirage, it is evident that these new redux editions are making enough money for the company.

I would, however, be very surprised if a Tango redux contains any live recordings or the Tango DVD. As this tour was sans Lindsey, I think he (and perhaps some other members of the band) would do a little revisionist history and pretend that the "Tango tour lineup" never existed. At most, I imagine that there would be a small mention of Rick and Billy in the liner notes. I for one would enjoy some live recordings from the tour, particularly "Brown Eyes", but overall this would be the tour I am most ambivalent about having official live documentation/recording from.

Now, a release of the 1975 white album with live recordings from that tour would be a dream.

[Macfan4life]

I would love to see a deluxe version of all the albums. But I don't think we will see one of Tango. I say this for several reasons. The band has been back to its 5 most successful members for a few years now. I don't see them highlighting the Tango tour without Lindsey while including Lindsey demos. I don't think Tango had the excessive tracks the other albums had. This started out as a Lindsey solo album. Each member only brought a few tracks and the album was not worked on in a traditional Mac fashion. I could see a re-mastered version of the songs but I don't see the "deep cuts" or demos that an album like Mirage or Tusk would have.
Brown Eyes is one of my favorite Mac songs. It was a treat to hear live in 1987. I wish this song was on the Mirage live release. Its disappointing they only included the songs that were on HBO.

[Ulpian]

It would be really cool, especially if they included You and I part 1 and Ricky, and live tracks from the Tango tour. I really like 1987 live Everywhere.

I think there will, as long as the Mirage one sells. Point taken re the live performances, but there are sufficient demos and alternate versions, as well as B sides, to fill up two discs with the album itself.

The logical thing would be to have this and a 1975 album deluxe edition, to complete the set. That said, of course, logic often eludes them...

[bwboy]

I am 100% positive a Deluxe Tango edition will be released. As was already mentioned, it was a big seller, peaking at #7 but staying in the top 40 for almost a year, and had 2 HUGE top 10 hits (Little Lies and Big Love) and 2 decent top 20 hits (Seven Wonders and Everywhere), and all 4 of which they have or still do perform live. There are a handful of unreleased songs they could include, like You and I, Part I, Book of Miracles, Ricky, Down Endless Street, plus the alternate version of Isn't It Midnight. I bet there are a few more outtakes they could include.

As far as the concert dvd, if they only released the audio like they're doing for the Mirage concert, it wouldn't be that distracting. The only Lindsey song they did was Go Your Own Way, and Stevie and Christine sang on that so much, anyway. It's not necessary to 'cover up' this era of the band. Rick and Big and the rest of the band did an outstanding job on Seven Wonders, Oh Well, Little Lies, Everywhere, Isn't It Midnight, Stand Back, and yes, even the Chain.

[FuzzyPlum]

I don't think Tango had the excessive tracks the other albums had. This started out as a Lindsey solo album. Each member only brought a few tracks and the album was not worked on in a traditional Mac fashion. I could see a re-mastered version of the songs but I don't see the "deep cuts" or demos that an album like Mirage or Tusk would have.


On the contrary, I reckon they’d have plenty of material available that would be worth bringing together.

Ricky
Down Endless Street
Book of Miracles
You and I Part 1
Joan of Arc
Special Kind of Love
At the Fair
Plus all the 12” single versions
Plus demo versions of album tracks (Welcome to the Room…Sara is fab)
The alternate versions of Tango in the Night and Mystified that RD posted on The Penguins Tale are fantastic and really stand up on their own.
There are various versions of Isn’t It Midnight out there and numerous different instrumental versions of Little Lies. I’m sure there’d be plenty of other such nuggets tucked away.
I'd hope they'd also add ‘Can’t Help Falling in Love’ as the initial catalyst for the album.

[SisterNightroad]

On the contrary, I reckon they’d have plenty of material available that would be worth bringing together.

Ricky
Down Endless Street
Book of Miracles
You and I Part 1
Joan of Arc
Special Kind of Love
At the Fair
Plus all the 12” single versions
Plus demo versions of album tracks (Welcome to the Room…Sara is fab)
The alternate versions of Tango in the Night and Mystified that RD posted on The Penguins Tale are fantastic and really stand up on their own.
There are various versions of Isn’t It Midnight out there and numerous different instrumental versions of Little Lies. I’m sure there’d be plenty of other such nuggets tucked away.
I'd hope they'd also add ‘Can’t Help Falling in Love’ as the initial catalyst for the album.
Yeah, I love Joan of Arc and the alternate Caroline demo with additional lyrics. Wasn't there also a Julia outtake?

[bombaysaffires]

I think there will, as long as the Mirage one sells. Point taken re the live performances, but there are sufficient demos and alternate versions, as well as B sides, to fill up two discs with the album itself.

The logical thing would be to have this and a 1975 album deluxe edition, to complete the set. That said, of course, logic often eludes them...

agree with all of this.

[sorcerer999]

A Deluxe version of the 1975 Self Titled Fleetwood Mac album (or "White Album" as Christine is so fond of calling it) needs to come out next, ahead of a Deluxe Tango. I'm amazed they haven't done this already, before "Mirage". It's the album that put the Buckingham Nicks lineup on the map! Would LOVE to hear outtakes of all those tracks, plus the other ones that were supposed to go on the second BN album ("Sorcerer" and maybe more of the Almanac stuff).

They WILL most likely put out a Deluxe Tango since it initially sold more than Tusk and Mirage. But I agree with most people here on the Rumours forum that the quality of songwriting was really lacking in this album, ESPECIALLY from Stevie. How "Joan Of Arc" got booted off the record and "Wassa Matta Baby" stayed on is a mystery to me!

[michelej1]

It could sell especially well in the UK.

Michele

[iamnotafraid]

On the contrary, I reckon they’d have plenty of material available that would be worth bringing together.

Ricky

Plus all the 12” single versions




Those are hard to listen to.

[Ulpian]

It could sell especially well in the UK.

Michele

It was the soundtrack to pretty much every barbecue my parents had in the late 80s, in my mind.

If they do it, I want the Little Lies demos on it -- love them!

[AlexD]

Seeds We Sow Deluxe Edition is rumored to be coming out soon

[FuzzyPlum]

Those are hard to listen to.

Surely you aren't saying Ricky is hard to listen to? Each to their own. I think it's a lovely piece of music.
I can appreciate the various extended remixes may not be everyones cup of tea.

[Wdm6789]

I want to hear You and I parts 1 and 2 as one song. They should have just been one song on the album. Get rid of When I See You Again.

[UndoingTheLaces]

I want to hear You and I parts 1 and 2 as one song. They should have just been one song on the album. Get rid of When I See You Again.

I always saw it as a bookend. Part one is the perfect opener to the album. It almost makes it seem like the album is a concept album telling a story. It sets the scene for what's to come. And then Part two is a nice wrap up. It talks about turning in for the night, which kind of makes me think of the way "Never Forget" is the perfect ending for Tusk.

I loved the extended versions. Big Love becomes a huge production and adds some flair with the extra Stevie vocals. Seven Wonders is even better given a softer makeover, it becomes almost epic. Little Lies, I'm not as crazy about. It had a nice soft feeling to it and the dance mix tried to make it more aggressive and that totally didn't work with the feel of the song, in my opinion. I would love to hear how Stevie's ad libs were supposed to sound in the context of the original mix of the song. Having her sing over that little sampled trumpet thing at the end always sounded a bit strange to me. The various mixes of Family Man are fun but he worked so hard getting Stevie's voice to sound all echoey and modulated and whoever did the production on the 12" kind of threw it away by just letting her voice play unfiltered. That could have been the centerpiece of the whole mix but it's just kind of there. And I never heard the 12" of Everwhere back in the day. I don't know if it just wasn't available where I was living or it had a limited release or what, but hearing it years later I really liked it. It would have been in heavy rotation on my mix tapes back then. It kind of makes me think of going through Splash Mountain in Disneyland. It has this sort of playful southern feel to it with the percussion. And there's something wonderfully cartoony about the way the ending is drawn out with the cool little vocal samples and the almost regal keyboard part. If they couldn't find enough demo material for a second disc I think they have more than enough with the extended mixes and B-sides. And they could even have the dub mixes and alternate mixes from the 12" records as bonus downloads in iTunes if they didn't want to take up space on the CD's. Or perhaps have the deluxe CDs be the remastered album, B-sides and demos and have an entire 12" library as a bonus download either on iTunes and/or Amazon.

[iamnotafraid]

Surely you aren't saying Ricky is hard to listen to? Each to their own. I think it's a lovely piece of music.

I can appreciate the various extended remixes may not be everyones cup of tea.

Ricky is simply horrible. Almost like you-you-you-you and I....
Don't get me started on When I see You Again.

The remixes are good for one listen.

You drink water, I drink gasoline...

[Macfan4life]

Ricky is simply horrible. Almost like you-you-you-you and I....
Don't get me started on When I see You Again.

The remixes are good for one listen.

You drink water, I drink gasoline...
Ricky is a pre-programmed Lindsey solo song that musically was given to Christine. It appears Christine embraced it and went along. Its different for sure. I like all of Christine's songs but Ricky is near the end of the list.
Ricky is Caroline meets One more lonely night.

[KarmaContestant]

Of course there will be a Deluxe Tango. It had four huge hits and was immensely popular at the time of release, plus there's a slew of b-sides, alt mixes and unreleased material. The band spent 18 months in the studio working on this - so I'm sure there's plenty of material to work with, even if much of it is demos already in circulation for decades.

[FuzzyPlum]

Ricky is simply horrible. Almost like you-you-you-you and I....
Don't get me started on When I see You Again.

The remixes are good for one listen.

You drink water, I drink gasoline...


Hmmm. No, I drink Prosecco, old boy.

[jbrownsjr]

Hmmm. No, I drink Prosecco, old boy.

Veuve Cliquot.. for this Ledgie..

[FuzzyPlum]

Veuve Cliquot.. for this Ledgie..

Well, some of us have more money than sense then :woohoo:

On another matter... no matter how many times I listen to You and I Part 1, I can't get away from the opening line being 'Under strange fookin' skies'. I can't hear the word 'falling' at all. It sounds like an expletive voiced by a person from the North of England.

[jbrownsjr]

Well, some of us have more money than sense then :woohoo:

On another matter... no matter how many times I listen to You and I Part 1, I can't get away from the opening line being 'Under strange fookin' skies'. I can't hear the word 'falling' at all. It sounds like an expletive voiced by a person from the North of England.

Does that mean you're buying me a bottle.. ?? lol

[KarmaContestant]

Well, some of us have more money than sense then :woohoo:

On another matter... no matter how many times I listen to You and I Part 1, I can't get away from the opening line being 'Under strange fookin' skies'. I can't hear the word 'falling' at all. It sounds like an expletive voiced by a person from the North of England.

'Under strange forbidden skies' is what I'm hearing.

[jbrownsjr]

'Under strange forbidden skies' is what I'm hearing.

That's how I've always heard it, too.

[jcalzaretta]

Don't forget What Has Rock and Roll Ever Done for You.

[FuzzyPlum]

Don't forget What Has Rock and Roll Ever Done for You.

Possibly. Was a version ever recorded for Tango In The Night?

[jwd]

On the contrary, I reckon they’d have plenty of material available that would be worth bringing together.

Ricky
Down Endless Street
Book of Miracles
You and I Part 1
Joan of Arc
Special Kind of Love
At the Fair
Plus all the 12” single versions
Plus demo versions of album tracks (Welcome to the Room…Sara is fab)
The alternate versions of Tango in the Night and Mystified that RD posted on The Penguins Tale are fantastic and really stand up on their own.
There are various versions of Isn’t It Midnight out there and numerous different instrumental versions of Little Lies. I’m sure there’d be plenty of other such nuggets tucked away.
I'd hope they'd also add ‘Can’t Help Falling in Love’ as the initial catalyst for the album.


I'd say HELL YES! :nod:

[Villavic]

I think it will have a deluxe edition, along with a DVD of the concert. I will only buy that if they include either the entire video concert or at least audio. Would love to hear Brown Eyes live, for example.

I think there could be "soon" a Tango deluxe edition, whenever a new Fleetwood Mac álbum is delayed. But, the issue is the live content. Lindsey was not there, so I don't know if they will decide to include it. Who has the last word? The record Company? Mick? The 5 members?

Another issue, but an interesting one. Stevie was less time (just the last weeks since she was in rehab) during record sessions. So there may be material recorded just by 4 members (same as 2014 unreleased studio sessions ha haaa). So, would they include Tango Stevieless versions?? Would be interesting to hear those, anyway (Little Lies, Everywhere).

[Street_Dreamer]

There better be. There's plenty of rare/unreleased material to warrant it.

[BaronVonBielski]

I actually doubt a deluxe Tango will come out. Ken Caillet has been working on the other releases because he was involved initially. But with Tango he had nothing to do with it. Who are they gonna get?

[Villavic]

I actually doubt a deluxe Tango will come out. Ken Caillet has been working on the other releases because he was involved initially. But with Tango he had nothing to do with it. Who are they gonna get?

But why he wouldn't accept? Just give him all the material and he may do a good job selecting the songs, the sequence, etc. Even he wasn't involved in the original sessions, it could be fun for him anyway, unless there is something we don't know from the past that makes him adamant about it.

[KarmaContestant]

But why he wouldn't accept? Just give him all the material and he may do a good job selecting the songs, the sequence, etc. Even he wasn't involved in the original sessions, it could be fun for him anyway, unless there is something we don't know from the past that makes him adamant about it.

Dashut and Buckingham could do it. Or, Warner could just hire anybody, really, since the decision to release it or not lies with them and not the band.

[FuzzyPlum]

Dashut and Buckingham could do it. Or, Warner could just hire anybody, really, since the decision to release it or not lies with them and not the band.

Yeah, I'd say Richard and Lindsey should do it together. However I can't see Lindsey working with Richard at this stage. I don't think Ken would do it. He'd feel a bit bitter about not being involved in the first place. Also, I think he'd generally just feel like like it was a bit inappropriate. To do such a job properly I think you'd need to have a good intimate knowledge of the source material.

[BaronVonBielski]

Yeah, I'd say Richard and Lindsey should do it together. However I can't see Lindsey working with Richard at this stage. I don't think Ken would do it. He'd feel a bit bitter about not being involved in the first place. Also, I think he'd generally just feel like like it was a bit inappropriate. To do such a job properly I think you'd need to have a good intimate knowledge of the source material.


I wholeheartedly agree.

[jbrownsjr]

Dashut and Buckingham could do it. Or, Warner could just hire anybody, really, since the decision to release it or not lies with them and not the band.

I agree. I think that's how Ken got to doing Mirage.

[KarmaContestant]

I agree. I think that's how Ken got to doing Mirage.

I would imagine Lindsey was only involved in the Tusk box because he has battled years of blame over it's lack of overwhelming commercial success, and he had a bit of a torch to carry for it.

[johnnystorms]

I assume the "stolen" TP song was given to FM during the Tango sessions. I wonder if they ever tinkered with it.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm starting to want it to happen! There were some great out-takes.

[Andrew Smith]

Don't forget to include the 12" remixes of Seven Wonders, Little Lies, Everywhere and Family Man as well.

I'm not sure if one was done for Big Love or not.

[elle]

I agree. I think that's how Ken got to doing Mirage.

Dashut and Buckingham could do it. Or, Warner could just hire anybody, really, since the decision to release it or not lies with them and not the band.

I would imagine Lindsey was only involved in the Tusk box because he has battled years of blame over it's lack of overwhelming commercial success, and he had a bit of a torch to carry for it.

exactly. i'm always amazed that people think these box releases are artists' decisions. they can choose to be involved, but the decision to do them is not theirs. Lindsey loves Tusk so he wanted to participate. i imagine as far as the other releases go, he would rather work on new music.

also, Lindsey was asked in some q&a to release a box set of his solo stuff. he said he'd love to do it, but it's up to the label owning all that stuff, not up to him, and that he hopes the record company is listening. that's why i love that he's lately seld-releasing (and therefore owning!) his own stuff.

[~*BellaDonna*~]

That will happen right after they release deluxe edtions of Bella Donna, The Wild Heart, Rock a Little....

[The Highwayman]

Funny you should say that...

[jbrownsjr]

The first two are great albums.

[FuzzyPlum]

That will happen right after they release deluxe edtions of Bella Donna, The Wild Heart, Rock a Little....

Get outta here. Are you psychic or did you get insider knowledge??????

[jbrownsjr]

Get outta here. Are you psychic or did you get insider knowledge??????

I thought the same thing!

[Fannymac]

They will definitely release a deluxe version of TANGO! I mean, A) it's the band's second best selling album, B) 2017 will be the album's 30th anniversary, and C) there's tons of stuff to choose from! I don't know about the live material, but we'll definitely get at least a double disc set!

[bwboy]

Yeah there will be a Tango edition next year for all the reasons you listed. The question now is, will there be a Behind the Mask Deluxe Edition.

If Mirage and Tango sell well, and if Stevie'e Bella Donna and Wild Heart Deluxe Editions sell well, I think there will be.

[iamnotafraid]

To get your hopes up...

WBR has changed the status of Tango just
this past week.

The same thing happened to Mirage before the
deluxe edition was announced.

Shhh!

[Andrew Smith]

To get your hopes up...

WBR has changed the status of Tango just
this past week.

The same thing happened to Mirage before the
deluxe edition was announced.

Shhh!

What do you mean by "changed the status"?

[~*BellaDonna*~]

Get outta here. Are you psychic or did you get insider knowledge??????
My source prefers to remain anonymous. :cool: :laugh:

[iamnotafraid]

What do you mean by "changed the status"?

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I'm looking forward to the Deluxe Tango.
And so is Rusty.

[~*BellaDonna*~]

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I'm looking forward to the Deluxe Tango.
And so is Rusty.
Is Rusty your imaginary friend?

[Andrew Smith]

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I'm looking forward to the Deluxe Tango.
And so is Rusty.

I just hope your sources or assumptions are reliable.

[SisterNightroad]

I'm looking forward to the Deluxe Tango.
And so is Rusty.
I can see he is:
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[~*BellaDonna*~]

I can see he is:
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Good one! That made my day!!

[sorcerer999]

TTMAR


:laugh: That's hilarious!

[jbrownsjr]

Rusty loves Tango!!

[SisterNightroad]

Good one! That made my day!!
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[Andrew Smith]

My source prefers to remain anonymous. :cool: :laugh:

I don't wish to know who your sources are, but just how reliable and high-up they are?

[iamnotafraid]

Is Rusty your imaginary friend?

My good pal Rusty has been on
the Dennis Miller radio show.

So has Alec. But nobody wants
to talk about that guy. And I'd say
for good reasons.

Andrew Smith,
How many times do I have to be proven right
before you believe?

Though right now... never mind it will come later.

SinisterNightroad,
Well, he is red headed. What were the odds of him
being named Rusty?

Sorcerer999,
Are you the only one that got that?

Jbrownsjr,
You are right again!

[sorcerer999]

Sorcerer999,
Are you the only one that got that?!

:D Apparently!

[SisterNightroad]

SinisterNightroad,
I see what you did there. Should I feel offended? Or Perhaps you are a Potterhead...

Well, he is red headed. What were the odds of him
being named Rusty?

100% if you are an avid fan of the old Simpson episodes like me.

[Andrew Smith]

My good pal Rusty has been on
the Dennis Miller radio show.

So has Alec. But nobody wants
to talk about that guy. And I'd say
for good reasons.

Andrew Smith,
How many times do I have to be proven right
before you believe?

Though right now... never mind it will come later.

SinisterNightroad,
Well, he is red headed. What were the odds of him
being named Rusty?

Sorcerer999,
Are you the only one that got that?

Jbrownsjr,
You are right again!

I just asked you if your sources were reliable or not. I wasn't asking who they are because I don't really care. I just want to be sure that a Deluxe Edition of Tango In The Night is definitely on it's way.

[iamnotafraid]

1. I just asked you if your sources were reliable or not. I wasn't asking who they are because I don't really care.

2. I just want to be sure that a Deluxe Edition of Tango In The Night is definitely on it's way.

1. From now on I'll be sure to answer you yes or no.
Wouldn't want to waste your time.

2. Sounds like a spoiled child at Christmas demanding to
know what their present is going to be.

__________________________________________

Socerer999,
Points for you!!!

SisterNightroad,
Just checking to see if you're paying attention.
And I only give nicknames to the one's I like.

No, no, no. I'm not a Potterhead.

I was a huge fan of the Simpsons. All the way
back to the Tracey Ullman Show. But one night
they said something so offensive about God I quit
watching.

[Andrew Smith]

1. From now on I'll be sure to answer you yes or no.
Wouldn't want to waste your time.

2. Sounds like a spoiled child at Christmas demanding to
know what their present is going to be.

__________________________________________

Socerer999,
Points for you!!!

SisterNightroad,
Just checking to see if you're paying attention.
And I only give nicknames to the one's I like.

No, no, no. I'm not a Potterhead.

I was a huge fan of the Simpsons. All the way
back to the Tracey Ullman Show. But one night
they said something so offensive about God I quit
watching.

I'm not demanding anything! You're the one who started hinting that you know something about a possible Deluxe reissue of Tango In The Night. If you're going to do that on a forum dedicated to Fleetwood Mac and all things related then people are going to ask you questions.

Your reference about Christmas presents isn't far off from the truth. I don't mind admitting it. Yes, I do really want a Deluxe reissue of Tango, and I dare say plenty of other forums members feel the same way.

Anyway, Tango sold more copies and was more successful than Mirage, so if they've done a Deluxe reissue of Mirage then it's obvious that they're going to do the same with Tango In The Night. That's not to say I personally dislike Mirage at all.

[mylittledemon]

I would think Tango In The Night is a shoe-in for a deluxe reissue.

Frankly, while we're reissuing stuff... I want Buckingham Nicks, and I really wanna see them release the other two nights performances from The Dance. ;)

[Andrew Smith]

I would think Tango In The Night is a shoe-in for a deluxe reissue.

Frankly, while we're reissuing stuff... I want Buckingham Nicks, and I really wanna see them release the other two nights performances from The Dance. ;)

What songs are missing from the CD edition of The Dance? Also, are these missing tracks on the DVD? I only have the CD.

Also, I have a copy of Buckingham Nicks supposedly taken direct from the master tapes. Most digital copies out there are vinyl rips. It sounds fantastic!

[KenshiMaster16]

What songs are missing from the CD edition of The Dance? Also, are these missing tracks on the DVD? I only have the CD.

Also, I have a copy of Buckingham Nicks supposedly taken direct from the master tapes. Most digital copies out there are vinyl rips. It sounds fantastic!

Gold Dust Woman, Gypsy, Go Insane, Over My Head and Songbird are missing from the CD release and are indeed on the DVD.

[mylittledemon]

What songs are missing from the CD edition of The Dance? Also, are these missing tracks on the DVD? I only have the CD.


Kenshi got the missing songs, but when I say I'd like to see the other performances I'm referring to the fact that The Dance was recorded over 3 nights. Which means there's 3 versions of The Chain that were filmed, and every other song they performed.

[KenshiMaster16]

Kenshi got the missing songs, but when I say I'd like to see the other performances I'm referring to the fact that The Dance was recorded over 3 nights. Which means there's 3 versions of The Chain that were filmed, and every other song they performed.

It's too damn bad they are so overly picky about what gets put out regarding live material. I would love to hear some of the material they tried out during the setlist choosing / soundcheck-ing era's of these albums. That would be amazing, especially for era's like Tango, Mirage and especially The Dance.

[Andrew Smith]

Kenshi got the missing songs, but when I say I'd like to see the other performances I'm referring to the fact that The Dance was recorded over 3 nights. Which means there's 3 versions of The Chain that were filmed, and every other song they performed.

You mean a lot of material performed over those three nights has never been released at all?

I never knew that. I always thought it was a "one night only" gig. I've also always thought that "My Little Demon" sounds like it was recorded in the studio.

[StevieNicksfann]

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I'm looking forward to the Deluxe Tango.
And so is Rusty.

Thanks for letting us know. Is TTMAR - take the money and run? Never saw that acronym before so had to look it up lol

[sorcerer999]

You mean a lot of material performed over those three nights has never been released at all?

I never knew that. I always thought it was a "one night only" gig. I've also always thought that "My Little Demon" sounds like it was recorded in the studio.

According to Ken Caillat, ALL of the vocals for the "live" CD/DVD were re-recorded in the studio, as well as many instrumental overdubs. So, in essence, "The Dance" is really only a live experience in a visual sense. Most of what you hear is a "studio affectation". :sorry:

[iamnotafraid]

Thanks for letting us know. Is TTMAR - take the money and run? Never saw that acronym before so had to look it up lol

You're welcome.

Yes, that's what it stands for. It was
just to see if anyone pays attention.
Plus it's Alec's motto.

[iamnotafraid]

According to Ken Caillat, ALL of the vocals for the "live" CD/DVD were re-recorded in the studio, as well as many instrumental overdubs. So, in essence, "The Dance" is really only a live experience in a visual sense. Most of what you hear is a "studio affectation". :sorry:

So "The Dance" is Red Rocks II?

[sorcerer999]

So "The Dance" is Red Rocks II?

:laugh: Vocally, yes.

Thank God they didn't go back and do any "close up" re-shoots. :rolleyes:

[jbrownsjr]

:laugh: Vocally, yes.

Thank God they didn't go back and do any "close up" re-shoots. :rolleyes:

haha! this cracked me up..

[AnthonyMI]

I think it would be cool to add the Juliet Book of Miracles hybrid someone did a few years ago

[peer_gynt10]

I never knew this about The Dance. Should I be disappointed or relieved?

[mylittledemon]

You mean a lot of material performed over those three nights has never been released at all?

I never knew that. I always thought it was a "one night only" gig. I've also always thought that "My Little Demon" sounds like it was recorded in the studio.

Well I'd imagine they performed the same 22 songs all three nights, so there'd be loads of footage we haven't seen, as well as variances in the performances.

I never knew this about The Dance. Should I be disappointed or relieved?

Doesn't change my enjoyment of it... but I still think the greatest shame of the concert is that they didn't film it in widescreen.

[jbrownsjr]

Agreed, mylittledemon... they were on the cusp of new tech... That video should have been way better..

[olive]

According to Ken Caillat, ALL of the vocals for the "live" CD/DVD were re-recorded in the studio, as well as many instrumental overdubs. So, in essence, "The Dance" is really only a live experience in a visual sense. Most of what you hear is a "studio affectation". :sorry:

They all do it

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/kiss-alive/

[mylittledemon]

Agreed, mylittledemon... they were on the cusp of new tech... That video should have been way better..

Yep. No idea why they weren't shooting on film... probably due to cost or something.

Anyway, didn't mean to derail the thread there. But yes... there has to be a deluxe TITN. But I don't want them to brick wall Tango like they did with the new Mirage. :distress: The 5.1 mixes are probably the real gems in these new sets.

[sorcerer999]

The 5.1 mixes are probably the real gems in these new sets.

:nod: Agreed! They take the experience of each album to a whole new level! I wish they would have included the DVD Audio of Rumours in the super deluxe boxed set. I do believe it's extremely hard to find now.

I don't want them to brick wall Tango like they did with the new Mirage.

What do you mean by "brick wall"?

[mylittledemon]

:nod: Agreed! They take the experience of each album to a whole new level! I wish they would have included the DVD Audio of Rumours in the super deluxe boxed set. I do believe it's extremely hard to find now.


No idea why they didn't include the DVD-A, but yes it was a shame :distress:



What do you mean by "brick wall"?

It can be a tough thing to explain but I'll give it a go. What happens is they take the song and put a limiter on it... a limiter removes large peaks in the track. Google the term "wav form" and you'll be able to see what I'm talking about from a visual perspective... natural "hills" and "valleys" in the song. Anyway, hit on the snare drum from Mick can cause these peaks, or maybe a crash on a cymbal. When these peaks are removed, the overall volume of the rest of the song can then increase. But what happens is you lose some of the natural dynamics that previously existed. Sure, quieter parts become loud, and more pronounced (Hey, I heard a guitar lick I've never heard before!), but the parts that were always easy to hear also have now been turned up to 11. (Nigel Tufnel reference there) The subtleties of the album are often lost. Back in my audio engineering days this would've lent to what's called listener fatigue... like being at a concert... your hearing becomes diminished over time from the wall of loudness. (Did that make any sense at all?) haha

[Andrew Smith]

According to Ken Caillat, ALL of the vocals for the "live" CD/DVD were re-recorded in the studio, as well as many instrumental overdubs. So, in essence, "The Dance" is really only a live experience in a visual sense. Most of what you hear is a "studio affectation". :sorry:

Thanks, I never knew this, although other bands have been known to do the same thing on live albums.

[shackin'up]

According to Ken Caillat, ALL of the vocals for the "live" CD/DVD were re-recorded in the studio, as well as many instrumental overdubs. So, in essence, "The Dance" is really only a live experience in a visual sense. Most of what you hear is a "studio affectation". :sorry:

There. You said it. According to Ken Caillat. Who has no producerscredits on the Dance. He wasn't there but he states something as if he was. He wasn't involved and he still hates that. As much as I admire his work for FM, he is sour and bitter towards Lindsey and his productionchoices after their fruitful cooperations. Of course there were overdubs or partially rerecordings. But you are deaf if you think everything was redone in the studio.

[iamnotafraid]

It can be a tough thing to explain but I'll give it a go. What happens is they take the song and put a limiter on it... a limiter removes large peaks in the track. Google the term "wav form" and you'll be able to see what I'm talking about from a visual perspective... natural "hills" and "valleys" in the song. Anyway, hit on the snare drum from Mick can cause these peaks, or maybe a crash on a cymbal. When these peaks are removed, the overall volume of the rest of the song can then increase. But what happens is you lose some of the natural dynamics that previously existed. Sure, quieter parts become loud, and more pronounced (Hey, I heard a guitar lick I've never heard before!), but the parts that were always easy to hear also have now been turned up to 11. (Nigel Tufnel reference there) The subtleties of the album are often lost. Back in my audio engineering days this would've lent to what's called listener fatigue... like being at a concert... your hearing becomes diminished over time from the wall of loudness. (Did that make any sense at all?) haha


Compression

[shackin'up]

Compression

Exactly. But very well described compression.

[mylittledemon]

Compression

haha yes. Well, more precisely I would call it limiting. There are differences I think. ;)