Stevie owes this band NOTHING

[James89]

So, I can totally understand all of your frustrations about Stevie doing a tour and likely being the main reason that the new FM album is delayed until further notice. I'm annoyed too. BUT. I was thinking about what she has contributed to this band since 1975 and it's astonishing. Also, lots of people fail to recognise many of the following points. I've made loads about how she has contributed to this band.

Here goes...

- 1976 - Rhiannon is the single that propels FM to #1.
- 1977 - Dreams is the Mac's ONLY #1 single.
- 1981 - Stevie has enormous success with Bella Donna but keeps her
supporting tour short in order to join FM in the studio for Mirage.
- 1982 - The success of Bella Donna creates more interest in the new Mac
album and ultimately helps it to reach #1.
- 1987 - Even though Buckingham leaves, Stevie stays with the Mac and tours
for over a year.
- 1990 - After a successful solo album and supporting tour, Stevie agrees to join
the Mac for Behind the Mask. She is warned that it could sell less
than her own solo album and harm her image. It does sell less but she
still chooses to go on a huge supporting tour.
- 1991 - Even after Stevie's unwavering commitment to the band, Mick refuses
to let her have Silver Springs, which is HER SONG, for her
Timespace album.
- 1997 - Landslide is the song that captures the most attention from The
Dance and helps the album reach #1.
- 2002 - Even after a successful solo album and tour, Stevie goes back in to the
studio with the Mac even though her close friend and ally Christine is no
longer with them.
- 2003 - Stevie goes on a mammoth tour to help support the album which lasts
well over a year.
- 2009 - Another huge tour with the Mac without Christine.
- 2013 - Another huge tour with the Mac without Christine.
- 2014 - She is willing to put off promotion and touring in support of her new
solo album to tour with the Mac for over a year.

So, for the minute I can't think of anything else exactly but does that help to demonstrate how committed and vital she has been to Fleetwood Mac? If you don't think so then I think ignorance plays a large part in your judgement.

She's more than entitled to do what she wants. She owed the band nothing, even though I would LOVE a new album to come eventually when she and the rest of the band are all happy and ready.

[AlexD]

New Years 1975- Mick Fleetwood asks Lindsey to join the band and Lindsey won't join unless he can bring Stevie

[olive]

I'm sure there are contracts stating otherwise

[BombaySapphire3]

Hate to nitpick but it was "Say You Love Me" that finally propelled "Fleetwood Mac " to number one .

[SteveMacD]

I don't think she owes them anything other than clarity about her intentions. She's voluntarily in a band and there are certain obligations that come with that.

[iamnotafraid]

Stevie's words to Fleetwood Mac (2016)

You know I love you
so you probably won't get what I'm gong to do
I'm walking away from you
it probably won't make much sense to you
but I'm trying to save you
from all of the things I'll probably say or do

I'll probably do...

You'll probably call me a fool
and say I'm doing exactly what a coward would do
you know that I love you
it's a shame, what a lame way to live but what can I do?

I'm a Martyr for my love for you
a martyr of my love for you

[jbrownsjr]

Hate to nitpick but it was "Say You Love Me" that finally propelled "Fleetwood Mac " to number one .

I love it when you're nit picky! :xoxo:

[LB Freakazoid]

If this band did not expand and contract... It would not be FM.

[AncientQueen]

I think that being in a band is giving and taking.
Stevie is well known for biting the hand that feeds her.

At the very least, she does owe the band RESPECT.

And the number she has been playing with Lindsey and Chris over recording an album is anything but that.

[Tango]

I agree with those that believe Stevie owes this band NOTHING. I don't think Christine or Lindsey do either. And if John were to quit, I'd say he's paid his dues, too. It's long been known that Mick keeps this band together. And he's probably the one that has had to count on it the most. He has guilted all of them from time to time to get back on the road as he makes no money on royalties and he spends money lavashly. (well, they all do- this is a band known for it's excesses)

The other part of the discussion here is Stevie owes the band respect. I think she has made her intentions clear to Mick and he doesn't like it. So he (like they all do) panders to the press to get leverage, hoping it will push Stevie back "into line" with his band. I believe she has probably been totally clear with her intentions. But Mick wants the Rumours 5. He needs the Rumours 5 and he now has Christine back.

As Michele said multiple times, I think the rest of band is to be blamed for not moving forward. They should do what they want to do: Break out into solo or duet groups if they want, record and tour as Fleetwood Mac, (as someone mentions a la Tango) and do whatever they want. Or, if they choose, they can wait for Stevie. I suspect Mick will continue to try to guilt and pressure Stevie in the press. But I agree, none of them own anything to Fleetwood Mac at this point. If Mick wants a band, he could find a replacement for any of them. It's Fleetwood Mac's history.

[lulu28]

I agree with those that believe Stevie owes this band NOTHING. I don't think Christine or Lindsey do either. And if John were to quit, I'd say he's paid his dues, too. It's long been known that Mick keeps this band together. And he's probably the one that has had to count on it the most. He has guilted all of them from time to time to get back on the road as he makes no money on royalties and he spends money lavashly. (well, they all do- this is a band known for it's excesses)

The other part of the discussion here is Stevie owes the band respect. I think she has made her intentions clear to Mick and he doesn't like it. So he (like they all do) panders to the press to get leverage, hoping it will push Stevie back "into line" with his band. I believe she has probably been totally clear with her intentions. But Mick wants the Rumours 5. He needs the Rumours 5 and he now has Christine back.

As Michele said multiple times, I think the rest of band is to be blamed for not moving forward. They should do what they want to do: Break out into solo or duet groups if they want, record and tour as Fleetwood Mac, (as someone mentions a la Tango) and do whatever they want. Or, if they choose, they can wait for Stevie. I suspect Mick will continue to try to guilt and pressure Stevie in the press. But I agree, none of them own anything to Fleetwood Mac at this point. If Mick wants a band, he could find a replacement for any of them. It's Fleetwood Mac's history.


I agree with this totally. I think Stevie HAS made her intentions clear to the band and Mick is refusing to accept it. Just because WE don't know that for a fact, WE speculate and spew hatred. WE form opinions based on hearsay and the fact that Mick whines about her every chance he gets. You don't see Christine and John doing interviews and complaining about Stevie's reluctance to record. Lindsey.......well we all know how that works. She shoots barbs at him, he shoots barbs at her, they kiss and make up today, tomorrow they hate each other. It's called good old fashioned LOVE/HATE. It adds drama to an already volatile relationship and they both love that drama. SO, yes, I do think that the other members of this band are clear on where Stevie stands. The rest of us don't really matter in the scheme of things. Love her or hate her, she's got a right to do what she wants and apparently she wants to go solo right now. Good for her!

[BlueDenimLamp]

I don't think she owes them anything other than clarity about her intentions. She's voluntarily in a band and there are certain obligations that come with that.

How do you/we know that Stevie has not in fact told Mick "I will NEVER work with Lindsey on a new FM record ever again"...Personally I think she has in fact told Mick this and it looks like Mick has tried every trick in the book short of firing her to try and get her to change her mind...How many years since the last full FM record???Looks like Stevie is standing her ground and Mick is unwilling to give up his "cash cow" touring revenue in order to move FM forwards...

[jbrownsjr]

How do you/we know that Stevie has not in fact told Mick "I will NEVER work with Lindsey on a new FM record ever again"...Personally I think she has in fact told Mick this and it looks like Mick has tried every trick in the book short of firing her to try and get her to change her mind...How many years since the last full FM record???Looks like Stevie is standing her ground and Mick is unwilling to give up his "cash cow" touring revenue in order to move FM forwards...

Keep in mind, it's a bit telling that she wants to be the boss right now.
She took a potshot at LB. She fired back at Mick a bit. But at the end of the day, I don't think a 3 month tour is going to affect a FM album in 2017. Mick is touring, as well. I think she may have picked the down time correctly. If she extends the tour into 2017 that's different. But I think this still may be on track.

[BlueDenimLamp]

I agree with those that believe Stevie owes this band NOTHING. I don't think Christine or Lindsey do either. And if John were to quit, I'd say he's paid his dues, too. It's long been known that Mick keeps this band together. And he's probably the one that has had to count on it the most. He has guilted all of them from time to time to get back on the road as he makes no money on royalties and he spends money lavashly. (well, they all do- this is a band known for it's excesses)

The other part of the discussion here is Stevie owes the band respect. I think she has made her intentions clear to Mick and he doesn't like it. So he (like they all do) panders to the press to get leverage, hoping it will push Stevie back "into line" with his band. I believe she has probably been totally clear with her intentions. But Mick wants the Rumours 5. He needs the Rumours 5 and he now has Christine back.

As Michele said multiple times, I think the rest of band is to be blamed for not moving forward. They should do what they want to do: Break out into solo or duet groups if they want, record and tour as Fleetwood Mac, (as someone mentions a la Tango) and do whatever they want. Or, if they choose, they can wait for Stevie. I suspect Mick will continue to try to guilt and pressure Stevie in the press. But I agree, none of them own anything to Fleetwood Mac at this point. If Mick wants a band, he could find a replacement for any of them. It's Fleetwood Mac's history.

I think Stevie has great respect for FM but a certain band member has little respect for Stevie as an artist and that's the problem...After all the years Stevie has been in this band I think she has earned the right to record a few songs within the frame work of FM the way she wants...If Mick were smart he would tell Lindsey "Look Stevie is going to record her songs the way she wants with the producer of her choice and I don't want you giving her a hard time over it just do what she wants"

If FM would have done this the record probably would have been out by now...Yes Stevie's song may have been different but at least the complainers would have their FM songs from CM/LB...

[jbrownsjr]

I think Stevie has great respect for FM but a certain band member has little respect for Stevie as an artist and that's the problem...After all the years Stevie has been in this band I think she has earned the right to record a few songs within the frame work of FM the way she wants...If Mick were smart he would tell Lindsey "Look Stevie is going to record her songs the way she wants with the producer of her choice and I don't want you giving her a hard time over it just do what she wants"

If FM would have done this the record probably would have been out by now...Yes Stevie's song may have been different but at least the complainers would have their FM songs from CM/LB...

Who's complaining?

[FuzzyPlum]

How do you/we know that Stevie has not in fact told Mick "I will NEVER work with Lindsey on a new FM record ever again"...Personally I think she has in fact told Mick this and it looks like Mick has tried every trick in the book short of firing her to try and get her to change her mind...How many years since the last full FM record???Looks like Stevie is standing her ground and Mick is unwilling to give up his "cash cow" touring revenue in order to move FM forwards...


'We will undertake a new album. A whole album. We have plenty of songs'
Stevie Nicks, December 7th 2015

So they wait.
and wait.
and wait some more.

Do you really think they'd hang around waiting if she'd unequivocally told them she wouldn't do an album? She's being a big tease.

[BlueDenimLamp]

'We will undertake a new album. A whole album. We have plenty of songs'
Stevie Nicks, December 7th 2015

So they wait.
and wait.
and wait some more.

Do you really think they'd hang around waiting if she'd unequivocally told them she wouldn't do an album? She's being a big tease.

Yes!!!
As long as Stevie is able to hold the big touring revenue over their heads they (Mick) will continue to kiss her butt...

[jbrownsjr]

Yes!!!
As long as Stevie is able to hold the big touring revenue over their heads they (Mick) will continue to kiss her butt...

Oh please, he's been kissing that butt since 1978..

[SteveMacD]

Oh please, he's been kissing that butt since 1978..
Except in 1991 . . .

[jbrownsjr]

Except in 1991 . . .

she let out gas that year...

[aleuzzi]

'We will undertake a new album. A whole album. We have plenty of songs'
Stevie Nicks, December 7th 2015

So they wait.
and wait.
and wait some more.

Do you really think they'd hang around waiting if she'd unequivocally told them she wouldn't do an album? She's being a big tease.

Yeah, the billboard article reveals this to be true. She's playing the "maybe/maybe not" card. The rest of them need to release the new music now!

[SteveMacD]

Of course, Stevie has written/co-written as many top ten hits as Lindsey and less top ten hits than Christine, Mac or solo.

Stevie
Dreams
Sara
Leather and Lace
Stand Back
(Note: Stevie didn't write "Stop Dragging My Heart Around" or "Talk To Me")

Lindsey
Go Your Own Way
Tusk
Trouble
Big Love

Christine
Don't Stop
You Make Loving Fun
Hold Me
Got A Hold On Me
Little Lies

[WatchChain]

How do you/we know that Stevie has not in fact told Mick "I will NEVER work with Lindsey on a new FM record ever again"...Personally I think she has in fact told Mick this and it looks like Mick has tried every trick in the book short of firing her to try and get her to change her mind...How many years since the last full FM record???Looks like Stevie is standing her ground and Mick is unwilling to give up his "cash cow" touring revenue in order to move FM forwards...

BlueDenimLamp, I think you've hit the nail on the head. In light of her recent RS interview, I think that Stevie Nicks is FINE with the idea of TOURING with Fleetwood Mac ONCE every 2-3 years----but THAT'S ALL. Stevie has probably told Mick in private that she has NO intention of recording a new album with Lindsey Buckingham at the production helm. She loves him one minute and hates him the next. It's easy to go out on the road when you really don't have to see ANYONE except for the 2 hours onstage each night. Technically, with personal assistants and handlers in tow, she could spend a year on the road with Lindsey and not really talk to him much. Being holed up in a recording studio with the "creative genius" is another story. The ONLY two people interested in making a new Fleetwood Mac record at this point are Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie. Mick, John, and Stevie couldn't care less about an "album". Moreover, NONE of these members stand to make a DIME off of a new Mac album. The CASH comes in TOURING. Mick just wants CASH from touring. Stevie would rather hang out with Dave Stewart, her handlers, and solo gal pals..............and John wants to be lounging at home or sailing a boat. CASE CLOSED

[BlueDenimLamp]

BlueDenimLamp, I think you've hit the nail on the head. In light of her recent RS interview, I think that Stevie Nicks is FINE with the idea of TOURING with Fleetwood Mac ONCE every 2-3 years----but THAT'S ALL. Stevie has probably told Mick in private that she has NO intention of recording a new album with Lindsey Buckingham at the production helm. She loves him one minute and hates him the next. It's easy to go out on the road when you really don't have to see ANYONE except for the 2 hours onstage each night. Technically, with personal assistants and handlers in tow, she could spend a year on the road with Lindsey and not really talk to him much. Being holed up in a recording studio with the "creative genius" is another story. The ONLY two people interested in making a new Fleetwood Mac record at this point are Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie. Mick, John, and Stevie couldn't care less about an "album". Moreover, NONE of these members stand to make a DIME off of a new Mac album. The CASH comes in TOURING. Mick just wants CASH from touring. Stevie would rather hang out with Dave Stewart, her handlers, and solo gal pals..............and John wants to be lounging at home or sailing a boat. CASE CLOSED

Mick & Stevie run the band...Lindsey may have the say in the studio but apart from that it's Mick and Stevie running the show...I suspect that Mick is more terrified of Stevie quitting than Lindsey...If LB quits Mick brings Rick back and problem solved...At this stage of the game a tour with Rick in the band would be almost as profitable as one with LB...

[SteveMacD]

Mick & Stevie run the band...Lindsey may have the say in the studio but apart from that it's Mick and Stevie running the show...I suspect that Mick is more terrified of Stevie quitting than Lindsey...If LB quits Mick brings Rick back and problem solved...At this stage of the game a tour with Rick in the band would be almost as profitable as one with LB...
If they're only adding one guitarist, my vote goes to Dave Mason, because he's also in the HoF.

[elle]

Mick & Stevie run the band...Lindsey may have the say in the studio but apart from that it's Mick and Stevie running the show...

:laugh: you and Stevie both wish! that's why she's whining in the interviews advertising her solo tour how she doesn't want to be in FM team because there she's not the boss!

[WatchChain]

Mick & Stevie run the band...Lindsey may have the say in the studio but apart from that it's Mick and Stevie running the show...I suspect that Mick is more terrified of Stevie quitting than Lindsey...If LB quits Mick brings Rick back and problem solved...At this stage of the game a tour with Rick in the band would be almost as profitable as one with LB...

Lindsey Buckingham is NOT going to quit Fleetwood Mac at this stage in his life. He is no longer the carefree, fly by the seat of your pants, creative genius, bachelor that he used to be. Although Lindsey already has tons of cash, I'm sure he would like to continue financially setting his young children and much younger wife up for life. Fleetwood Mac provides the touring CASH COW that he needs to do just that. Songwriting royalties from 30 year old songs only go so far.

[BlueDenimLamp]

If they're only adding one guitarist, my vote goes to Dave Mason, because he's also in the HoF.

Didn't think of him...Plus he knows a lot of the songs...

My pick would be Jeff Beck...

[jbrownsjr]

Didn't think of him...Plus he knows a lot of the songs...

My pick would be Jeff Beck...

Oh my god.. we agree on something.... can you imagine...

Jeff Beck is too good for them, however..

[BlueDenimLamp]

Oh my god.. we agree on something.... can you imagine...

Jeff Beck is too good for them, however..

I believe FM actually wanted Jeff in the band (Before Bob Welch maybe) but none of them dared to ask him...

[jbrownsjr]

I believe FM actually wanted Jeff in the band (Before Bob Welch maybe) but none of them dared to ask him...

that might have been some powerful magic

[nicepace]

If they're only adding one guitarist, my vote goes to Dave Mason, because he's also in the HoF.

NO NO NO! Christine hated it when Dave Mason was in the band before, and if she hates it now she might leave the band.

Hey ... wait a minute ... if she leaves the band she might put out a solo album. On second thought, bring on Dave!

[Macfanforever]

It would be different if they get Waddy's input to the band as a additional guitar player .He knows all the tunes.Brett is already there.Of course you get Rick and Billy too.I do like Dave Masons tunes too.

[BlueDenimLamp]

NO NO NO! Christine hated it when Dave Mason was in the band before, and if she hates it now she might leave the band.

Hey ... wait a minute ... if she leaves the band she might put out a solo album. On second thought, bring on Dave!

Christine would have to suck it up...If SN & LB can survive FM then she can as well...

[BlueDenimLamp]

It would be different if they get Waddy's input to the band as a additional guitar player .He knows all the tunes.Brett is already there.Of course you get Rick and Billy too.I do like Dave Masons tunes too.

If LB would be willing to share the spotlight with his old friend then Waddy would be a great addition to FM...

[Nathan]

Stevie's words to Fleetwood Mac (2016)

You know I love you
so you probably won't get what I'm gong to do
I'm walking away from you
it probably won't make much sense to you
but I'm trying to save you
from all of the things I'll probably say or do

I'll probably do...

You'll probably call me a fool
and say I'm doing exactly what a coward would do
you know that I love you
it's a shame, what a lame way to live but what can I do?

I'm a Martyr for my love for you
a martyr of my love for you


Where is this from?

[BlueDenimLamp]

Stevie's words to Fleetwood Mac (2016)

You know I love you
so you probably won't get what I'm gong to do
I'm walking away from you
it probably won't make much sense to you
but I'm trying to save you
from all of the things I'll probably say or do

I'll probably do...

You'll probably call me a fool
and say I'm doing exactly what a coward would do
you know that I love you
it's a shame, what a lame way to live but what can I do?

I'm a Martyr for my love for you
a martyr of my love for you

Where is this from?

From the dark depths of the posters imagination...

[michelej1]

If LB would be willing to share the spotlight with his old friend then Waddy would be a great addition to FM...

Lindsey already suffered through Carlos.

Michele

[iamnotafraid]

From the dark depths of the posters imagination...

Dark depths of my imagination?

Nathan it was a collaboration
between Jack White and myself.

Stevie is a martyr you know.

[HomerMcvie]

NO NO NO! Christine hated it when Dave Mason was in the band before, and if she hates it now she might leave the band.

Hey ... wait a minute ... if she leaves the band she might put out a solo album. On second thought, bring on Dave!

If Chris hates him, he shouldn't/won't be in the band.

Plus, he'd wanna do a couple solo songs(I'm guessing), and those don't belong in a FM set.

[secondhandchain]

Her legacy is ruined for me now. Screw her and the fairy she rode in on. Change that...the broomstick she rode in on. In the words of Barbara Bush, she's a "it rhymes with witch"

[jbrownsjr]

Her legacy is ruined for me now. Screw her and the fairy she rode in on. Change that...the broomstick she rode in on. In the words of Barbara Bush, she's a "it rhymes with witch"

My nana used to say that about Barbara Bush..

[BombaySapphire3]

My nana used to say that about Barbara Bush..

Don't talk about the father or our country that way!

[jbrownsjr]

Don't talk about the father or our country that way!

hahahah:wavey:

[Street_Dreamer]

Bring back Billy, Bekka and Rick and get on with the show.

[WatchChain]

Bring back Billy, Bekka and Rick and get on with the show.

No can do. No disrespect, but Bekka, Billy and Rick are not "Fleetwood Mac". While they are fantastic musicians, I just don't think they can carry on the FM legacy. I have no interest in going down that road again.

[BlueDenimLamp]

No can do. No disrespect, but Bekka, Billy and Rick are not "Fleetwood Mac". While they are fantastic musicians, I just don't think they can carry on the FM legacy. I have no interest in going down that road again.

I guess they weren't FM all those years before Lindsay either...

[BlueDenimLamp]

that might have been some powerful magic

There's still time Jeff is as good as ever...

[jbrownsjr]

There's still time Jeff is as good as ever...

I've seen him so many times... he's brilliant..

[HomerMcvie]

I sincerely hope that Stevie's people are seeing the HATE that she's getting nowadays! Bitch has finally burned bridges...

I've said it for 10 years, but she is the WORST thing that ever happened to FM.

Kick that dumb broad to the curb, and let her enjoy her dwindling solo career, where she can be the ~boss~.

UNGRATEFUL ****.

[SteveMacD]

No can do. No disrespect, but Bekka, Billy and Rick are not "Fleetwood Mac". While they are fantastic musicians, I just don't think they can carry on the FM legacy. I have no interest in going down that road again.
So long as Mick, John, and Christine are there, it's Fleetwood Mac to me.

[iamnotafraid]

Kick that dumb broad to the curb, and let her enjoy her dwindling solo career, where she can be the ~boss~.

David, how do you really feel about her?

[sue]

I sincerely hope that Stevie's people are seeing the HATE that she's getting nowadays! Bitch has finally burned bridges...

I've said it for 10 years, but she is the WORST thing that ever happened to FM.

Kick that dumb broad to the curb, and let her enjoy her dwindling solo career, where she can be the ~boss~.

UNGRATEFUL ****.

Ouch David,

didn't Ma and Pa Simpson teach you any manners.!!!

[JohnL]

I don't know why so many folks have their panties in a wad over this delay in the album. This is what Stevie and Fleetwood Mac have done since she started her solo career. How many times have we heard her say that she goes back and forth to Fleetwood Mac? She spends a couple years with them and then a couple years solo. She will be going back to the band and my bet is that there will be another album...but it will likely be 2018 before it is out. This is what has happened since 1981.

Those folks who don't want her in the band and think she is "what rhymes with witch" are just going to have to be patient as I don't think anything will change. Stevie has the right to do her own thing...especially since FM has known what will happen after this tour since 1981.

[BombaySapphire3]

I don't know why so many folks have their panties in a wad over this delay in the album. This is what Stevie and Fleetwood Mac have done since she started her solo career. How many times have we heard her say that she goes back and forth to Fleetwood Mac? She spends a couple years with them and then a couple years solo. She will be going back to the band and my bet is that there will be another album...but it will likely be 2018 before it is out. This is what has happened since 1981.

Those folks who don't want her in the band and think she is "what rhymes with witch" are just going to have to be patient as I don't think anything will change. Stevie has the right to do her own thing...especially since FM has known what will happen after this tour since 1981.

Except back then they all weren't either pushing or over 70 years old.

[lulu28]

I sincerely hope that Stevie's people are seeing the HATE that she's getting nowadays! Bitch has finally burned bridges...

I've said it for 10 years, but she is the WORST thing that ever happened to FM.

Kick that dumb broad to the curb, and let her enjoy her dwindling solo career, where she can be the ~boss~.

UNGRATEFUL ****.

Actually, she's pretty much a big reason that they are still here and viable at this point........ Good thing Lindsey made sure she was brought along, right? Bet he regrets that now, because he will NEVER shine in the spotlight like she does. Now don't get me wrong, they would have a modest following, I'm sure, but nothing like they have now. Oh, and certainly no number one hit, right? Yeah......
Also, I'm pretty sure Stevie's people couldn't care less about the hate coming from a few people here. After all, the majority of people love her. Check out her positive press over the last few days, the fact that her tickets are selling decently and she's back to making TV appearances. I'd say that she's definitely got more fans than haters. Get it girl!

[Danielle]

Also, I'm pretty sure Stevie's people couldn't care less about the hate coming from a few people here. After all, the majority of people love her. Check out her positive press over the last few days, the fact that her tickets are selling decently and she's back to making TV appearances. I'd say that she's definitely got more fans than haters. Get it girl!

I couldn't agree more. Stevie "haters" can say whatever they want, but she's doing exactly what some of you wish the rest of FM were doing right now: She's doing her thing, she's happy about it, and though I am sure she wants success and public recognition, she is doing her shows to get the songs she loves out there no matter what. Now I know some people's cynicism will stop them from seeing this.
Ultimately, Stevie's just doing what makes her hear content and some of the hate she's getting here comes from the fact the rest of band can't seem to do the same (musically) right now. I think her people can deal with that hate, if they ever see it...

[HomerMcvie]

Except back then they all weren't either pushing or over 70 years old.

Exactly. That's IT.

We all know what's coming. Hopefully later than sooner, but it's coming.

And we'd like ONE last good album from them, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. Because it just might be...

And it's not like she owes them anything. I mean, she'd probably be living in a rusty old trailer now, still waiting tables, if it weren't for them. Yeah, she owes them nothing...:mad:

[BlueDenimLamp]

FM's lucky to have Stevie in the band and Mick counts his lucky stars every time Stevie comes back to FM from her solo work...

[SpyNote]

I agree with this totally. I think Stevie HAS made her intentions clear to the band and Mick is refusing to accept it. Just because WE don't know that for a fact, WE speculate and spew hatred. WE form opinions based on hearsay and the fact that Mick whines about her every chance he gets. You don't see Christine and John doing interviews and complaining about Stevie's reluctance to record. Lindsey.......well we all know how that works. She shoots barbs at him, he shoots barbs at her, they kiss and make up today, tomorrow they hate each other. It's called good old fashioned LOVE/HATE. It adds drama to an already volatile relationship and they both love that drama. SO, yes, I do think that the other members of this band are clear on where Stevie stands. The rest of us don't really matter in the scheme of things. Love her or hate her, she's got a right to do what she wants and apparently she wants to go solo right now. Good for her!

I think the drama is manufactured to keep the band in the headlines. They're all multi-millionaires so I'm sure they can all keep themselves occupied for a year or two. Mick's on his own blues tour, Lindsey's buying property, Christine's probably drinking mojitos in Tahiti, and John probably couldn't care less.

Stevie's tour will also help promote the Mirage reissue. So this is all good press. I do think fans add fire to the drama, which all plays into the marketing strategy.

[FuzzyPlum]

I don't know why so many folks have their panties in a wad over this delay in the album. This is what Stevie and Fleetwood Mac have done since she started her solo career. How many times have we heard her say that she goes back and forth to Fleetwood Mac? She spends a couple years with them and then a couple years solo. She will be going back to the band and my bet is that there will be another album...but it will likely be 2018 before it is out. This is what has happened since 1981.

Those folks who don't want her in the band and think she is "what rhymes with witch" are just going to have to be patient as I don't think anything will change. Stevie has the right to do her own thing...especially since FM has known what will happen after this tour since 1981.

Except back then they weren't approaching the 50 year milestone. That's such a big thing for a band. There aren't too many big bands out there that have hit such a landmark. Shame it looks as if they won't be celebrating it with anything special. Guess they'll have to wait for Stevie for a tour in 2018 (snore) and mark the 50 years in the 51st year (just like the Rumours 35 year reissue being 36 years after the event- doh!).

[secondhandchain]

I think the drama is manufactured to keep the band in the headlines. They're all multi-millionaires so I'm sure they can all keep themselves occupied for a year or two. Mick's on his own blues tour, Lindsey's buying property, Christine's probably drinking mojitos in Tahiti, and John probably couldn't care less.

Stevie's tour will also help promote the Mirage reissue. So this is all good press. I do think fans add fire to the drama, which all plays into the marketing strategy.

No freaking way would the huge ego that is Stevie be ok with being the b*tch and fall guy. No way.

[KenshiMaster16]

Just my opinion (obviously) but I firmly believe that if their name isn't Peter Green, Mick Fleetwood or John McVie and you're a member of Fleetwood Mac, then yes, you owe the band. The band is what made you, not the other way around. The band lived through countless incarnations, two genre changes and multiple decades. So it's my firm belief that if you're a member of such a band, you should always do what's best for said band if you're still in it because they made your career.

That doesn't just go for Fleetwood Mac, that goes for every famous band and its members. If that's not what the members want, then its best to just go and not halt the creative process of said band.

[bwboy]

Stevie, Lindsey, and Christine have all paid their dues and don't owe the band anything. They've given and taken, and if they all decide to make another album, I would be thrilled, but theycertainlydon't have to if they don't want to.

[BombaySapphire3]

Stevie was actually thinking of throwing in the towel and finishing her degree before Lindsey got the call from Mick.Time was ticking and she was entering her late 20s.Fleetwood Mac made her a star and in quick time. Who knows what would have happened if things had turned out differently. Hollywood is full of the ghosts of almost were someones.

[HomerMcvie]

Stevie was actually thinking of throwing in the towel and finishing her degree before Lindsey got the call from Mick.Time was ticking and she was entering her late 20s.Fleetwood Mac made her a star and in quick time. Who knows what would have happened if things had turned out differently. Hollywood is full of the ghosts of almost were someones.

Too bad that she wasn't one of those ghosts... I'd track her.



Or not... :blob2:

[SteveMacD]

Stevie was actually thinking of throwing in the towel and finishing her degree before Lindsey got the call from Mick.Time was ticking and she was entering her late 20s.Fleetwood Mac made her a star and in quick time. Who knows what would have happened if things had turned out differently. Hollywood is full of the ghosts of almost were someones.
On December 31,1974 . . .

Fleetwood Mac had the legacy (Peter Green years)
Fleetwood Mac already had a Greatest Hits album.
Fleetwood Mac had been heavily featured in music rags (Fake Mac)
Fleetwood Mac had been on two national music television shows.
Fleetwood Mac had the contract with Warner, and wasn't at risk of getting dropped.
Fleetwood Mac was independently managed, so they could do whatever they wanted without interference from outsiders.


Furthermore . . .

Christine had the first top-20 hit.
Christine had the most top-10 hits in Fleetwood Mac (4), followed by Lindsey (3), and Stevie (2).
The last top-10 hit Stevie wrote was "Stand Back," and the last one she sang was "Talk To Me."
The last two top-10 hits any of them had were "Big Love" and "Little Lies."
"Everywhere" was the last song to hit in the top-15.
"Rooms On Fire" was the last to hit in the top-20.
"Save Me" was the last time any of them hit the top-40.

The reality is that Stevie's importance to Fleetwood Mac has been inflated because of her solo career, but she's not the most important in the context of Fleetwood Mac.

[SteveMacD]

Stevie's success can't continually be thrown in everyone's face without further examination. In terms of top-10 hits that they actually wrote or co-wrote, Christine still comes out on top. Christine had five top-10 hits, while the others had four each.

CHRISTINE
Don't Stop (3)
You Make Loving Fun (9)
Hold Me (4)
Got A Hold On Me (10)
Little Lies (4)

STEVIE
Dreams (1)
Sara (7)
Leather & Lace (6)
Stand Back (5)
(Stevie didn't write "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" or "Talk To Me.")

LINDSEY
Go Your Own Way (10)
Tusk (8)
Trouble (9)
Big Love (5)

So while Stevie had the only number one hit with Fleetwood Mac, she's also had the fewest top-ten hits. Her value to the band as a songwriter has been overstated. Christine is the real voice of the band. The ticket sales between 2013 and 2014/15 kind of prove that.

[~*BellaDonna*~]

The only thing that Stevie owes us, the fans, is a clear explanation about her future partcipation with the band. C'mon, Stevie, you are too old to be playing ridiculous games....

[bwboy]

Wow, I didn't think anybody questioned that Stevie was the most successful of all the members. Stevie has 8 studio albums, plus 2 greatest hits, a 3 CD box set, and a live CD. And 2 live DVDs. Plus her live vhs and video collection on vhs. Of her studio albums, I believe 3 are multi-platinum, 2 are platinum, and 2 are gold. 5 were top 10 hits, 1 was #1. She's had 5 top 10 songs, and 4 top 20 songs. The Dance had 2 huge radio hits, both by Stevie.

I believe Christine had 1 top 10 hit and 1 top 40 hit. I believe Lindsey had 1 top 10 hit. I think Christine had 3 albums, maybe 1 of which went gold. She had one club tour. I can't tell you how many albums Lindsey has released, maybe 5? Maybe 1 went gold, and he's done 3 or 4 small venue tours. Stevie has done at least 12 amphitheatre tours, appeared on several magazine covers and been interviewed on radio and television, plus performed on several tv shows. I can't think of any time Christine has performed solo in the past 30 years. Lindsey has performed a handful of times on tv. Stevie has held several Grammy nominations; I don't know about Lindsey or Christine.

Oh, and she's the only one in the band with a #1 song. Can't forget that.

[MikeInNV]

Stevie's success can't continually be thrown in everyone's face without further examination. In terms of top-10 hits that they actually wrote or co-wrote, Christine still comes out on top. Christine had five top-10 hits, while the others had four each.

CHRISTINE
Don't Stop (3)
You Make Loving Fun (9)
Hold Me (4)
Got A Hold On Me (10)
Little Lies (4)

STEVIE
Dreams (1)
Sara (7)
Leather & Lace (6)
Stand Back (5)
(Stevie didn't write "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" or "Talk To Me.")

LINDSEY
Go Your Own Way (10)
Tusk (8)
Trouble (9)
Big Love (5)

So while Stevie had the only number one hit with Fleetwood Mac, she's also had the fewest top-ten hits. Her value to the band as a songwriter has been overstated. Christine is the real voice of the band. The ticket sales between 2013 and 2014/15 kind of prove that.

I was obsessed with Billboard magazine back in the day, and it really was a great tool, but even I have to admit it doesn't tell the whole story. The introduction of Soundscan showed that earlier charts had a margin of error to say the least.

But besides that, charts only rank popularity that week and say nothing of lasting impact. Stevie also had: Rhiannon (11), Edge of Seventeen (11), and Gypsy (12), all of which are still played regularly on various radio formats (unlike Big Love or Hold Me). And then there's Gold Dust Woman and especially Landslide, which have no chart ranking because they were never singles, but are must-play concert staples because they are as much a part of the public consciousness as the official singles.

So while I agree that using her solo success as proof of importance in the band is misleading, the statistics you cite are also skewing the picture.

And as far as the last tour's success, it is obvious that the Classic Five lineup will always be a bigger draw than any subset of four, so that isn't all about Christine. Imagine if it was Stevie who was back after a 16-year hiatus.

Obviously Stevie isn't a required part of the band. Even without her, they still have twice the number of lead singers as most bands. But she has given them more than just a handful of hit singles. She's a charismatic frontperson, with a persona and image that captivates fans and piques the interest of the media. Whenever you see a concert review, the picture is always Stevie, Stevie with Lindsey, or Stevie with Mick. I realize that's what drives a lot of fans crazy, but having a high-profile star in the band does a lot to keep the band relevant. When The Dance came out, I remember people saying they wanted to check it out "to see what Stevie looks like now." But then they got drawn back into the music once again.

Without Stevie, they are a talented musical unit who no doubt would have moved some records. But that describes a lot of faceless bands of the seventies who eventually drifted off into the sunset. Stevie is their hook. She set them apart and put them over the top as a superstar act. Did FM launch her career? Absolutely. But it's not the one-sided relationship some people want to make it out to be. If it was, half the threads in this forum wouldn't exist.

[olive]

Stevie's success can't continually be thrown in everyone's face without further examination. In terms of top-10 hits that they actually wrote or co-wrote, Christine still comes out on top. Christine had five top-10 hits, while the others had four each.

CHRISTINE
Don't Stop (3)
You Make Loving Fun (9)
Hold Me (4)
Got A Hold On Me (10)
Little Lies (4)

STEVIE
Dreams (1)
Sara (7)
Leather & Lace (6)
Stand Back (5)
(Stevie didn't write "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" or "Talk To Me.")

LINDSEY
Go Your Own Way (10)
Tusk (8)
Trouble (9)
Big Love (5)

So while Stevie had the only number one hit with Fleetwood Mac, she's also had the fewest top-ten hits. Her value to the band as a songwriter has been overstated. Christine is the real voice of the band. The ticket sales between 2013 and 2014/15 kind of prove that.

the casual fan that goes to see fleetwood mac could give 2 SH-TS abiut where stevie places on a chart

they want to hear the 2 songs ( and sara) that gets them through the emotional turmoil that is their life


and if they make a record it won't be a big seller

[jbrownsjr]

I just heard Hold Me in Big Lots the other day. Heard it on the radio a few weeks before that.

[Macfanforever]

I just heard Hold Me in Big Lots the other day. Heard it on the radio a few weeks before that.

It sucks that they did not play :shrug: it on the last tour.Wonder why.:shrug:

[Travis]

I was obsessed with Billboard magazine back in the day, and it really was a great tool, but even I have to admit it doesn't tell the whole story. The introduction of Soundscan showed that earlier charts had a margin of error to say the least.

But besides that, charts only rank popularity that week and say nothing of lasting impact. Stevie also had: Rhiannon (11), Edge of Seventeen (11), and Gypsy (12), all of which are still played regularly on various radio formats (unlike Big Love or Hold Me). And then there's Gold Dust Woman and especially Landslide, which have no chart ranking because they were never singles, but are must-play concert staples because they are as much a part of the public consciousness as the official singles.

So while I agree that using her solo success as proof of importance in the band is misleading, the statistics you cite are also skewing the picture.

And as far as the last tour's success, it is obvious that the Classic Five lineup will always be a bigger draw than any subset of four, so that isn't all about Christine. Imagine if it was Stevie who was back after a 16-year hiatus.

Obviously Stevie isn't a required part of the band. Even without her, they still have twice the number of lead singers as most bands. But she has given them more than just a handful of hit singles. She's a charismatic frontperson, with a persona and image that captivates fans and piques the interest of the media. Whenever you see a concert review, the picture is always Stevie, Stevie with Lindsey, or Stevie with Mick. I realize that's what drives a lot of fans crazy, but having a high-profile star in the band does a lot to keep the band relevant. When The Dance came out, I remember people saying they wanted to check it out "to see what Stevie looks like now." But then they got drawn back into the music once again.

Without Stevie, they are a talented musical unit who no doubt would have moved some records. But that describes a lot of faceless bands of the seventies who eventually drifted off into the sunset. Stevie is their hook. She set them apart and put them over the top as a superstar act. Did FM launch her career? Absolutely. But it's not the one-sided relationship some people want to make it out to be. If it was, half the threads in this forum wouldn't exist.

What MikeInNV said :)

[Jondalar]

Stevie's success can't continually be thrown in everyone's face without further examination. In terms of top-10 hits that they actually wrote or co-wrote, Christine still comes out on top. Christine had five top-10 hits, while the others had four each.

CHRISTINE
Don't Stop (3)
You Make Loving Fun (9)
Hold Me (4)
Got A Hold On Me (10)
Little Lies (4)

STEVIE
Dreams (1)
Sara (7)
Leather & Lace (6)
Stand Back (5)
(Stevie didn't write "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" or "Talk To Me.")

LINDSEY
Go Your Own Way (10)
Tusk (8)
Trouble (9)
Big Love (5)

So while Stevie had the only number one hit with Fleetwood Mac, she's also had the fewest top-ten hits. Her value to the band as a songwriter has been overstated. Christine is the real voice of the band. The ticket sales between 2013 and 2014/15 kind of prove that.

Funny you don't mention totally number of hits, just top 10. This is bogus.

[DauphineMarie]

You can play the numbers game all you very well please, but you have to look at the bigger picture. In terms of maintaining longevity for this band, Stevie comes out on top, no doubt.

She has the most successful and continual solo career out of anyone from the band, and keeps them in the spotlight. Since Say You Will, it has been Stevie that has kept this band alive, albeit from a solo position. A greatest hits package, multiple solo tours, two studio albums, live concert releases, photograph exhibitions, album rereleases, television appearances, the list goes on.

Her American Horror Story appearance and featured songs helped bring the band to a younger audience, not to mention her talk show performances.

Meanwhile, Stevie has continually been criticized for doing nothing for this band. Yes, the publicity helps her own image and legacy - but one would be remiss not to automatically include FM as part of it.

Had Lindsey and Mick run the show the past 10+ years, there would be a chain of mildly successful Fleetwood Mac-themed restaurants... but that's just my opinion. :shrug:

EDIT:: in regards to chart positions, the two songs Fleetwood Mac are most remembered for are Rhiannon (not top 10) and Landslide, which wasn't even released as a single.

[FuzzyPlum]

in regards to chart positions, the two songs Fleetwood Mac are most remembered for are Rhiannon (not top 10) and Landslide, which wasn't even released as a single.


I'd have to respectfully challenge that statement. It might be different somewhere in your gypsy soul, but here in the UK they are mostly remembered for Little Lies, Everywhere, Don't Stop, Go Your Own Way, Dreams and The Chain (and Albatross, Oh Well and The Green Manalishi). If you asked the average person on the street, probably 95% wouldn't be able to place Fleetwood Mac as the band behind Landslide and Rhiannon (in fact, just as many people have probably never heard of Landslide and Rhiannon).

I appreciate it is probably very different in the US and other places.

[HomerMcvie]

Onstage with FM for the past few years, she's BORING AF. Before Christine came back, Lindsey WAS the show, performing with the energy of a teenager, while she showed the energy of a cement block.

[James89]

I'd have to respectfully challenge that statement. It might be different somewhere in your gypsy soul, but here in the UK they are mostly remembered for Little Lies, Everywhere, Don't Stop, Go Your Own Way, Dreams and The Chain (and Albatross, Oh Well and The Green Manalishi). If you asked the average person on the street, probably 95% wouldn't be able to place Fleetwood Mac as the band behind Landslide and Rhiannon (in fact, just as many people have probably never heard of Landslide and Rhiannon).

I appreciate it is probably very different in the US and other places.

All those you listed I agree. However, which two songs have I heard the most on UK radio these past couple of weeks? Rhiannon and Landslide. Which song is currently featured on an advert? Landslide. So there you go.

[FuzzyPlum]

All those you listed I agree. However, which two songs have I heard the most on UK radio these past couple of weeks? Rhiannon and Landslide. Which song is currently featured on an advert? Landslide. So there you go.

Out of interest what radio station/s do you listen to James? Also, Landslide in an advert? In the UK? That must have passed me by completely. What is the advert?

[jbrownsjr]

Onstage with FM for the past few years, she's BORING AF. Before Christine came back, Lindsey WAS the show, performing with the energy of a teenager, while she showed the energy of a cement block.

You're lucky she even performs for you b((&*(&(!!!! :mad::mad:

[SisterNightroad]

I think we should stop fighting about whose son or daughter is best.

[HomerMcvie]

You're lucky she even performs for you b((&*(&(!!!! :mad::mad:

Performs? Is that what you call it?:lol::lol::lol:

A lazy assed twirl, and a 3 note range, and the angel of my dreams!

[jbrownsjr]

I think we should stop fighting about whose son or daughter is best.

Italy owes Sicily everything!!! lol :wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

Italy owes Sicily everything!!! lol :wavey:

You got chocolate on my peanut butter!!!:wavey:

[TrueFaith77]

But what about the fans?

[jbrownsjr]

But what about the fans?

She doesn't owe me anything. But Lindsey owes me a new t shirt from sweating all over it. Damn you front row!!!

[James89]

Out of interest what radio station/s do you listen to James? Also, Landslide in an advert? In the UK? That must have passed me by completely. What is the advert?

90% of the time it's BBC Radio 2 otherwise Nation radio. The advert is James Wellbeloved and it's a cover of Landslide.

[SteveMacD]

Okay, let's put it a different way: Christine had as many songs on the Greatest Hits album as Stevie and Lindsey combined. She was the voice. I wonder how the story would be different now if Christine had gotten help in 1991 and dealt with the issues that kept her off the road for the better part of a quarter century.

Did the thought ever occur to Stevie's fans that a large part of solo success is largely because she gives Fleetwood Mac fans a sense of connection to the band?

I saw her solo on the TISL tour (my only SN solo show) for probably the same reason I've seen chiffon-heads at a Mick Fleetwood's Zoo show (when Bekka Bramlett was one of the singers) and at a Peter Green show. I wanted that sense of connection.

And, she gives people that connection.

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[jbrownsjr]

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If you ever play that video again, I'll ban myself from the ledge. ;)

[James89]

Okay, let's put it a different way: Christine had as many songs on the Greatest Hits album as Stevie and Lindsey combined. She was the voice.

That may be the case but The Chain was left off of that album so looking at it that way is pretty irrelevant really.

[SisterNightroad]

Italy owes Sicily everything!!! lol :wavey:
Are you referring to the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies or about cassata, cannoli etc. ?

[button-lip]

Hate to nitpick but it was "Say You Love Me" that finally propelled "Fleetwood Mac " to number one .

So it was a joined effort after all. Christine brought the first single, Stevie the only number one, and Lindsey the most popular song of the band.

Stevie doesn't own the band anything. That's why she should leave if the doesn't feel comfortable around her fellow band members anymore. But she says she won't ever leave and the band won't split because of her, so I guess they're destined to stand each other until they die. :shrug::lol:

[button-lip]

I don't think she owes them anything other than clarity about her intentions. She's voluntarily in a band and there are certain obligations that come with that.

She said the band will never split because of her. But like you say, if you're in a band you have to fulfill certain obligations. If she doesn't want to, then the rest of the band I think it's entitled to do whatever they want.
Too bad they didn't release the album as a FM work.

[SteveMacD]

That may be the case but The Chain was left off of that album so looking at it that way is pretty irrelevant really.

The Chain wasn't a hit single.

[SteveMacD]

If you ever play that video again, I'll ban myself from the ledge. ;)

Hey, at least she got the words right.

ETA: After hearing Christine do Gypsy, I think Stevie did a better job of covering a Christine McVie song than the other way around.

ETA2: Although, it Stevie had taken the hiatus, it would have been passable.

[button-lip]

Oh please, he's been kissing that butt since 1978..

Some books state that fact as early as 1977....:lol:

[button-lip]

Onstage with FM for the past few years, she's BORING AF. Before Christine came back, Lindsey WAS the show, performing with the energy of a teenager, while she showed the energy of a cement block.

Lindsey is by far the most energetic member of the band. Stevie can't even move! :lol:

And I say that with the utmost respect for elder people. :)

[jbrownsjr]

Are you referring to the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies or about cassata, cannoli etc. ?

All of it. If it wasn't for Sicily there wouldn't be any Italy!! People only come to see Sicily and they sell way more then Italy. And if Sicily wants to go solo and be it's own country, it should be able to do whatever it wants. :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[SisterNightroad]

All of it. If it wasn't for Sicily there wouldn't be any Italy!! People only come to see Sicily and they sell way more then Italy. And if Sicily wants to go solo and be it's own country, it should be able to do whatever it wants. :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:
#sicilexit

[HomerMcvie]

Lindsey is by far the most energetic member of the band. Stevie can't even move! :lol:

And I say that with the utmost respect for elder people. :)

She could just get herself an electric wheelchair. She could duct tape the joystick to the side, and spin that chiffon like crazy!!!:lol::lol:

[Wdm6789]

I'm happy to see that the band is all finding ways to fit everything in. Stevie had her solo tour this year, Christine and Lindsey are releasing their album and will have a concert, with possibly more, and then Fleetwood Mac is all coming together for the two festivals this summer. Christine also said they will be playing in Europe in 2019, so that implies the 2018-2019 farewell tour. I'm glad they're all getting their cake and eating it too. Although I really hope they all make it through 2019.

[FuzzyPlum]

90% of the time it's BBC Radio 2 otherwise Nation radio. The advert is James Wellbeloved and it's a cover of Landslide.


Probably down to the station then. I only ever listen to radio in the car and there's no way I could stomach Chris Evans in the morning. Smooth FM for me. Looked up Wellbeloved- lovely advert- never seen it before.


Tim Dickinson- Landslide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A10R5w4KTkE

[jbrownsjr]

Hey, at least she got the words right.

ETA: After hearing Christine do Gypsy, I think Stevie did a better job of covering a Christine McVie song than the other way around.

ETA2: Although, it Stevie had taken the hiatus, it would have been passable.

That was a scratch vocal (gypsy) and you know it.

[jbrownsjr]

#sicilexit

HAHAHAHA can you imagine? :)

[button-lip]

She could just get herself an electric wheelchair. She could duct tape the joystick to the side, and spin that chiffon like crazy!!!:lol::lol:

Until the chiffon gets tangled in the wheels... :lol:

My apologies. I got carried away. Stevie does that to me. :angel:

[HomerMcvie]

Until the chiffon gets tangled in the wheels... :lol:

My apologies. I got carried away. Stevie does that to me. :angel:

Oh please. You're fine. Very fine. Very, VERY, fine. :woohoo:

[Macfan4life]

This is the worst thread I have seen on this board. Just the title of it is like nails down a chalk board :eek: Then with so many comparing and measuring each member against the other. Who had more hits, who sold more albums, who is less successful, who has more talent, etc. Its really sad. I cant imagine a thread like this on another band like the Eagles. Can you imagine something like: Don Henley owes the Eagles NOTHING. He had a successful solo career. Glen Frey only had a few solo hits.
I mean....really! Its so 4th grade stuff.
Fleetwood Mac is like any other band. Each member is a pillar of strength and talent. When they work together its pure magic. To dissect them and make claims who is more talented is pure rubbish. The Mac is probably the most unique band for its members. Its a strength, not a weakness. Each adds something so incredible to the band. Each made each other the super stars they are today.

[James89]

Probably down to the station then. I only ever listen to radio in the car and there's no way I could stomach Chris Evans in the morning. Smooth FM for me. Looked up Wellbeloved- lovely advert- never seen it before.


Tim Dickinson- Landslide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A10R5w4KTkE

BBC Radio 2 is the most popular radio station in the UK with around 15 million listeners so chances are, whatever songs I hear on the radio, the majority of UK radio listeners are going to hear too.

Btw, Radio 2 loves Fleetwood Mac.

[jbrownsjr]

This is the worst thread I have seen on this board. Just the title of it is like nails down a chalk board :eek: Then with so many comparing and measuring each member against the other. Who had more hits, who sold more albums, who is less successful, who has more talent, etc. Its really sad. I cant imagine a thread like this on another band like the Eagles. Can you imagine something like: Don Henley owes the Eagles NOTHING. He had a successful solo career. Glen Frey only had a few solo hits.
I mean....really! Its so 4th grade stuff.
Fleetwood Mac is like any other band. Each member is a pillar of strength and talent. When they work together its pure magic. To dissect them and make claims who is more talented is pure rubbish. The Mac is probably the most unique band for its members. Its a strength, not a weakness. Each adds something so incredible to the band. Each made each other the super stars they are today.

It's a mentality of insecurity. If you read between the lines, you can learn a lot about a ledgie.

We had a shipper era here during the non-Christine period and it was insufferable. Every post was about their romance. So this post is nothing in comparison. But we keep it movin.. :eek:

That said, the people that disagree probably have so much more in common beside which member they like, etc. It becomes more visible in chit chat.

[jwd]

Personally I feel Stevie owes FM a few good songs for a new FM record! Prolific songwriter that she claims to be? More BS or has the well run dry?!

Doesn't she have anything important left to say? To inspire, change, and affect people's lives? Isn't that what should be the real driving force of writing and making music? Or is it about sales and money? Is she really that shallow? I hope she proves me wrong. A lot of her words and songs have been so inspirational and moving in my life.

[bwboy]

I know what you mean... a lot of people felt the same way when Lindsey left the band. And when Christine left the band. Guess Stevie just felt it was her turn. I wonder if Christine having a fear of flying was just b.s. because her well had run dry.

[jwd]

I know what you mean... a lot of people felt the same way when Lindsey left the band. And when Christine left the band. Guess Stevie just felt it was her turn. I wonder if Christine having a fear of flying was just b.s. because her well had run dry.

But, Stevie hasn't left the band.

[button-lip]

Personally I feel Stevie owes FM a few good songs for a new FM record! Prolific songwriter that she claims to be? More BS or has the well run dry?!

Doesn't she have anything important left to say? To inspire, change, and affect people's lives? Isn't that what should be the real driving force of writing and making music? Or is it about sales and money? Is she really that shallow? I hope she proves me wrong. A lot of her words and songs have been so inspirational and moving in my life.

When you have nothing left to say, you have to leave, like Lindsey and Christine did in the past (oh, and don't forget Stevie!).

If your inspiration returns, you can always come back, like they all did.

This privilege of "being in a band but doing whatever I want" doesn't work for me. :shrug:

[Andyleo]

Is it really that shallow of someone to want to make money? Who here would still go to work if there was no pay?
I wish Stevie would make a record with FM, but she's not shallow if she chooses not to. Please...

[HomerMcvie]

Is it really that shallow of someone to want to make money? Who here would still go to work if there was no pay?
I wish Stevie would make a record with FM, but she's not shallow if she chooses not to. Please...

Good god, wake tf up. She doesn't NEED any more money. This is about EGO.

She's been acting jealous ever since Christine came back. She didn't realize how much Christine meant to the band's legacy, and to the fans.

She wants to be the center of attention, and she ONLY feels like that now when she's solo(because even when Chris was gone, Lindsey outshone her by leaps and bounds). And she SHOULD be solo, but she won't walk away from the payday, and ~what attention~ she does get with FM.

Lindsey and Chris walked away when they'd had enough, but she won't. She'd rather hold them hostage. She's a drama queen.

[SteveMacD]

I know what you mean... a lot of people felt the same way when Lindsey left the band. And when Christine left the band. Guess Stevie just felt it was her turn. I wonder if Christine having a fear of flying was just b.s. because her well had run dry.

She had her turn from 1991-97.

ETA: While on her hiatus,, Christine released a solo album, which is only one solo album and a Fleetwood Mac album less than Stevie's output in that time frame, and she was mostly retired.

ETA2: Lindsey contributed a song to the box set in 1992 when he wasn't in the band anymore and helped finish "Paper Doll," not to mention his cameos on BTM and Time.

[Andyleo]

Good god, wake tf up. She doesn't NEED any more money. This is about EGO.

She's been acting jealous ever since Christine came back. She didn't realize how much Christine meant to the band's legacy, and to the fans.

She wants to be the center of attention, and she ONLY feels like that now when she's solo(because even when Chris was gone, Lindsey outshone her by leaps and bounds). And she SHOULD be solo, but she won't walk away from the payday, and ~what attention~ she does get with FM.

Lindsey and Chris walked away when they'd had enough, but she won't. She'd rather hold them hostage. She's a drama queen.

I never said she NEEDS money. And that's your opinion, what you think means nothing to me or a lot of people on this board. Why don't you wake tfu

[SteveMacD]

Is it really that shallow of someone to want to make money? Who here would still go to work if there was no pay?
If it's something I love, I'd do it. Touring and recording cost most musicians money when all is said and done, but the simple passion for making music is what keeps them going. I'm talking about the people who rent a crappy van, play to 20 people, and staying in someone's basement or a roach motel.

I wish Stevie would make a record with FM, but she's not shallow if she chooses not to. Please...
She's not shallow, she's lost her passion.

[tothegypsy]

I believe Christine was willing to participate in the making of Say You Will, but she wasn't willing to tour, so they didn't include her. I think that was a shortsighted decision, and I think it would be an equally shortsighted decision to not include Stevie in a tour, simply because she doesn't want to record.

[24karatstevie]

I believe Christine was willing to participate in the making of Say You Will, but she wasn't willing to tour, so they didn't include her. I think that was a shortsighted decision, and I think it would be an equally shortsighted decision to not include Stevie in a tour, simply because she doesn't want to record.
I agree completely with this. I never understood why they didn't let Chris record. If she had been on SYW and just not toured, I would not have seen her as any less of a member of the band. Same with Stevie now.

[gldstwmn]

I think we should stop fighting about whose son or daughter is best.

Haha... I wish this thread and its similar incarnations would just die already. :lol: :shrug:

[button-lip]

I believe Christine was willing to participate in the making of Say You Will, but she wasn't willing to tour, so they didn't include her. I think that was a shortsighted decision, and I think it would be an equally shortsighted decision to not include Stevie in a tour, simply because she doesn't want to record.

Except that with Christine they made that shortsighted decision....

[button-lip]

Good god, wake tf up. She doesn't NEED any more money. This is about EGO.

She's been acting jealous ever since Christine came back. She didn't realize how much Christine meant to the band's legacy, and to the fans.

She wants to be the center of attention, and she ONLY feels like that now when she's solo(because even when Chris was gone, Lindsey outshone her by leaps and bounds). And she SHOULD be solo, but she won't walk away from the payday, and ~what attention~ she does get with FM.

Lindsey and Chris walked away when they'd had enough, but she won't. She'd rather hold them hostage. She's a drama queen.

I guess her ego was a bit hurt on that last concert on Thursday when a fan shouted at her to shut up and sing. :lol:

Chris's return meant sold out arenas and additional concerts on many cities (London, Sydney), something Stevie probably didn't expect.

Many of us wants her out if she clearly doesn't feel comfortable around the rest of the band, and even though she didn't bluntly express it, she say it every time she praises working with her friends (Tom Petty, Don Henley, Chrissie Hynde).

She should leave and end this drama, or say once and for all what she wants so they can all move on with their respective projects.

[SteveMacD]

Except that with Christine they made that shortsighted decision....

They tried that arrangement with the Time band, and it proved to be very awkward. Not to mention, there still would have been the issue of getting Christine out to California.

[jbrownsjr]

They tried that arrangement with the Time band, and it proved to be very awkward. Not to mention, there still would have been the issue of getting Christine out to California.

Had she moved by then?

[SteveMacD]

Had she moved by then?

The first time I read about Christine buying the place in Kent was in 1992. I don't know when she moved there full-time (I always assumed 1998), but I'm sure she was there by the time of the SYW sessions.

[HomerMcvie]

I guess her ego was a bit hurt on that last concert on Thursday when a fan shouted at her to shut up and sing. :lol:


Ooh, is there a Youtube link? Cause Imma need that looped!

[Macfan4life]

The first time I read about Christine buying the place in Kent was in 1992. I don't know when she moved there full-time (I always assumed 1998), but I'm sure she was there by the time of the SYW sessions.
She bought the house in Kent in 1990. It took sometime for it to be repaired and upgraded.

[bwboy]

Chris's return meant sold out arenas and additional concerts on many cities (London, Sydney), something Stevie probably didn't expect.

Many of us wants her out if she clearly doesn't feel comfortable around the rest of the band, and even though she didn't bluntly express it, she say it every time she praises working with her friends (Tom Petty, Don Henley, Chrissie Hynde).

She should leave and end this drama, or say once and for all what she wants so they can all move on with their respective projects.

Lol this post is hilarious! Yes, I'm sure Stevie was so upset that their last tour sold so well, whatever the reason.

Love this fan fiction, uh, I meant post Lol!

[jbrownsjr]

She bought the house in Kent in 1990. It took sometime for it to be repaired and upgraded.

I didn't realize it was that early.

[Macfan4life]

I didn't realize it was that early.
She has said this in several interviews. The house was secluded and in much need of repair. She restored a historic house that took some time. When she was on the world tour (Behind the Mask) is when the work started. She sort of knew that would be her last Mac tour (at least for awhile back then). She was still living in LA until the earthquake scared her and she moved back to England sometime after that when the house was finished.

[jbrownsjr]

She has said this in several interviews. The house was secluded and in much need of repair. She restored a historic house that took some time. When she was on the world tour (Behind the Mask) is when the work started. She sort of knew that would be her last Mac tour (at least for awhile back then). She was still living in LA until the earthquake scared her and she moved back to England sometime after that when the house was finished.

Interesting. This is right before the internet was blowing up. By the time the Dance hit, I was getting all the articles and newsfeeds.

[David]

Haha... I wish this thread and its similar incarnations would just die already. :lol: :shrug:
Chris, aren't you enjoying the warm back-and-forth about who has the most hits, who owes whom what, who's the band's most powerful savior, and who deserves to string-a-long and who doesn't?

Speaking of which songwriter's work gets used most in commercials, there's a new TV commercial in America for I know not what, but it's a bunch of kids singing Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow.

[button-lip]

Lol this post is hilarious! Yes, I'm sure Stevie was so upset that their last tour sold so well, whatever the reason.

Love this fan fiction, uh, I meant post Lol!

Ummm, when did I talk about Stevie's solo tour? I was talking about FM's last tour.

I'm sure she was happy about the numbers on her last solo tour. In fact, that's all she cares about.

Glad to amuse you.

[button-lip]

Ooh, is there a Youtube link? Cause Imma need that looped!

Ohhh, I'm sooo gonna send you if I find it! :blob1::blob1:

[TrueFaith77]

I never said she NEEDS money. And that's your opinion, what you think means nothing to me or a lot of people on this board. Why don't you wake tfu

I rather enjoy Homer's opinions. Keep 'me coming

[jbrownsjr]

I rather enjoy Homer's opinions. Keep 'me coming

There's no stopping him!

[HomerMcvie]

There's no stopping him!

Not rain, nor sleet, nor breath of goat, will stop me from my appointed rounds!!!:lol:




You got me OGB, yeah you know me!!!:woohoo:

[HomerMcvie]

Ohhh, I'm sooo gonna send you if I find it! :blob1::blob1:

Then there will be a special something in your Christmas stocking!!!:angel:

[bwboy]

Ummm, when did I talk about Stevie's solo tour? I was talking about FM's last tour.

I'm sure she was happy about the numbers on her last solo tour. In fact, that's all she cares about.

Glad to amuse you.

I know you were talking about FM's last tour... that was why I said "their" tour, not "her" tour. And please, keep the fan fiction coming! I mean posts... I love reading your first-hand knowledge of Stevie's feelings and motives!

[button-lip]

I know you were talking about FM's last tour... that was why I said "their" tour, not "her" tour. And please, keep the fan fiction coming! I mean posts... I love reading your first-hand knowledge of Stevie's feelings and motives!

Oh, good! Then we agree money is all she cares about, no matter where it comes from!

I was worried for a while! Glad to know we're on the same page!

[TrueFaith77]

There's no stopping him!

He always gets a drum solo in there somehow ;)

[jbrownsjr]

He always gets a drum solo in there somehow ;)

Glad someone is just as obsessed as I am w/ FMac. lol

Thanks for reading my mind!! :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

Chris, aren't you enjoying the warm back-and-forth about who has the most hits, who owes whom what, who's the band's most powerful savior, and who deserves to string-a-long and who doesn't?
Hmm... no.

Speaking of which songwriter's work gets used most in commercials, there's a new TV commercial in America for I know not what, but it's a bunch of kids singing Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow.
This I would like to see.

[jbrownsjr]

Hmm... no.

This I would like to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1b-Zt2IJl8

[button-lip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1b-Zt2IJl8

Creepy commercial, but who cares? It's Chris McFantasticVie's song! :blob1::blob1:

[jbrownsjr]

Creepy commercial, but who cares? It's Chris McFantasticVie's song! :blob1::blob1:

They have been playing Don't Stop for the Coast Concerts here in Los Angeles. Probably, NYC, too.

[chiliD]

To Homer :wavey:: Looks like I trained you well, Grasshopper! :thumbsup:

Now that I'm pretty much retired from the Ledge, I get to just sit back & watch all the fireworks, but my legacy lives on!! :nod: :lol:

[jbrownsjr]

To Homer :wavey:: Looks like I trained you well, Grasshopper! :thumbsup:

Now that I'm pretty much retired from the Ledge, I get to just sit back & watch all the fireworks, but my legacy lives on!! :nod: :lol:

I miss you. I know I've been a disappointment to you. :)

I love When You Say, When I See You Again, I love Over and Over as an opening number. I even like TOSOTM.

I'm the banished son. :lol:

[button-lip]

They have been playing Don't Stop for the Coast Concerts here in Los Angeles. Probably, NYC, too.

OMG! Dare we to say, she's the Queen now? :eek: :lol:

[jbrownsjr]

OMG! Dare we to say, she's the Queen now? :eek: :lol:

Haha!! The chiffons will come out like Gremlins that have had been given water. :shocked:

[justcrazylove]

To Homer :wavey:: Looks like I trained you well, Grasshopper! :thumbsup:

Now that I'm pretty much retired from the Ledge, I get to just sit back & watch all the fireworks, but my legacy lives on!! :nod: :lol:

Oh god this post brought the biggest smile to my face!

chiliD you were always the most insightful poster on this board since the moment i started reading The Ledge. Smart, funny and witty posts that took no ****. You were balanced, reasoned and most importantly, you were a fan of Fleetwood Mac, the band not the bull****. From 1967 onwards.

For these reasons you are greatly missed around here. I am however loving all the posters who are keeping this board relatively grounded. That's you jbrownsjr, HomerMcvie, and michellej1.

[HomerMcvie]

To Homer :wavey:: Looks like I trained you well, Grasshopper! :thumbsup:

Now that I'm pretty much retired from the Ledge, I get to just sit back & watch all the fireworks, but my legacy lives on!! :nod: :lol:

Steve O, I saw your absence, and grabbed the salty curmudgeon ring, and ran with it. Someone has to crush these kid's fantasies! :lol: