Stevie's out because of Christine? Jealousy rears it's head.

[iamnotafraid]

From the Barry files...

Be careful what you wish for. Did the blonde Queen
of Fleetwood Mac get more than she bargained for with
the return of Christine McVie?

Rock 'n Roll is all about ego. And in this case the Queen's
eclipses the rest of the band all put together. Of course this
is nothing new to the rabid fans of the group.

Her ascendance to this position after the success of the
Rumours album. And her crowning after the Bella Donna
album gave her all the power.

She only showed weakness when her drug use debilitated
her. And her former lover in his one moment of triumph
over her and the band left in desperation to keep his sanity.

Even in her darkest hours of extreme weight gain, lethargic
concert performances and making the worst music of her life,
the ego propelled her on. Until even the fans had had enough.
Then she finally abandoned the ship which she helped run aground.

With no where to go the Queen jumped at the chance to appear
with her former band mates at a political convention. And as the
video from that night reveals she should have made a better choice
at choosing a wellness center instead of center stage on prime time
TV. Ego sometimes gives one a distorted view of themselves. And
sometimes it's the opposite of what one would think. While some
think worse of themselves, others think they're so great everyone
will accept or more importantly will still love them.

Years go by and with a little weight loss and more control over the
substances that abused her body there's a chance at something good
again. There's nothing like time that makes needy fans appreciate and
maybe see things in a different light. Almost like a magic act. You know
it's not real, but you so want to believe it that you suspend belief. We
see what we want to see. The Dance was this magic.

The Dance, Rock 'n Roll Hall Of Fame induction and a semi-successful
solo album infused her with all the ego she needed to carry her through
Say You Will and the subsequent greatest hits tours.

Back to her old self she willingly threw her band mates, most especially
the one that crafted her songs under the bus. And of course made sure
the public knew about her old flames - the ones she truly loved. It didn't
matter that her stories changed over the years. We still believed.

If only the Queen had a friend to help her control her antagonist. Perhaps
if the Blonde would return. Then the women could make things like they
were before. And the Blonde knew her place. On that there was no argument.

But here's where the story turns. What the Queen hadn't figured was how
much the Blonde would be loved when she returned. A few nights an ego
can take. But at over a year's worth of touring, ego can turn green.

What's the Queen to do? With her power she holds the others hostage
once again. The Blonde won't be the one appreciated on the next tour
or album. It will be the Queen once again - and only the Queen. If time
doesn't run out.

[bwboy]

As it should be! Hopefully the other band members will remember their place- if they do, maybe Stevie will tear up those contracts they signed giving her control over the release of their latest album!

[Macfan4life]

Rubbish

Stevie has never been jealous of Christine. The song Say You Will is about begging her not to leave. Total nonsense. Stevie would come out almost every show after the concert and say how happy she was Christine was back. I enjoy your posts but they are always wild conspiracy theories ;)
Its always been LINDSEY LINDSEY LINDSEY. The Say You Will project was very tense recording with Lindsey. I saw major tensions on the last leg of the American ON WITH THE SHOW tour. In Miami Stevie was furious with Lindsey. During her long intro to Gypsy, Stevie was going on about touring with CCR and how their car broke down. At that moment Lindsey made his guitar sound like a car horn. Stevie stopped talking and turned to Lindsey and say "Did you do that? Why would you do that? Then she turned to the audience and said "Am I boring you? She then cut her intro short and they went into the song. That night Stevie did not come out and talk with the crowd.

[jbrownsjr]

She has talked about how horrible it made her feel when Christine and Lindsey wrote World Turning. Great read.

[Danielle]

This is like bad fanfiction.

[lulu28]

This is like bad fanfiction.

Agreed! This is like HORRIBLE, teen written fan fiction!!! GAH!!!!

[AncientQueen]

This whole fanfiction made me laugh. Crazy!

[wheart]

Great read. While I don't believe Stevie is jealous of Christine, per se, I do believe she has a problem with attention being diverted away from her...however that may occur.

[~*BellaDonna*~]

This thread has a soap opera-ish feel to it.

[jbrownsjr]

Great read. While I don't believe Stevie is jealous of Christine, per se, I do believe she has a problem with attention being diverted away from her...however that may occur.

Agreed. I think the two ladies do get along rather well. I think Stevie had mixed feelings about having her back. It meant more work. (downside) However, that kind of money will fund her new home purchase and she can't make that much on her own any longer.

If Mick were to get all the attention, she'd get jealous. She wants that power.

[iamnotafraid]

...maybe Stevie will tear up those contracts they signed giving her control over the release of their latest album!

Contracts written in blood can't be torn up.

[iamnotafraid]

I enjoy your posts but they are always wild conspiracy theories ;)

Its always been LINDSEY LINDSEY LINDSEY. The Say You Will project was very tense recording with Lindsey.

Thanks, I think. Though I don't see the conspiracy.

No, we all know it's about the Queen.
The tenseness is great exaggeration.

[iamnotafraid]

She has talked about how horrible it made her feel when Christine and Lindsey wrote World Turning. Great read.

Thank you my friend.

[iamnotafraid]

This is like bad fanfiction.

I'll pass that on to Barry.

[iamnotafraid]

This is like HORRIBLE, teen written fan fiction!!! GAH!!!!

Barry thanks you. I thank you.

[iamnotafraid]

This whole fanfiction made me laugh. Crazy!

Glad you laughed. But Barry doesn't write or dictate fiction.

[iamnotafraid]

Great read.

I do believe she has a problem with attention being diverted away from her...however that may occur.

Thanks.

And you can bet she doesn't like to share any of the attention.

Doesn't the Mirage video show her handing some stuffed animal
or flowers to Christine? As if to say, "hold this while I greet my fans".

[iamnotafraid]

This thread has a soap opera-ish feel to it.

No Reva. No Josh.

[iamnotafraid]

I think the two ladies do get along rather well.


If Christine wanted center stage on the next tour
do you think they'd still get along?

[AncientQueen]

Chris ALWAYS gets the center space on every stage she is. The moment she wants it, it's hers alone.

[jbrownsjr]

If Christine wanted center stage on the next tour
do you think they'd still get along?

You have a point. lol

[iamnotafraid]

You have a point. lol

Wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall
if they suggested that to her?

Hey Stevie there's been some changes...

[jbrownsjr]

Wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall
if they suggested that to her?

Hey Stevie there's been some changes...

I'd like to be a fly on any ole' fleetwood mac wall...

[KarmaContestant]

Conspiracy theories can be a fun read, but a significant portion of humanity puts too much faith in them - even when it comes to voting.

[jbrownsjr]

Conspiracy theories can be a fun read, but a significant portion of humanity puts too much faith in them - even when it comes to voting.

very true... the 9/11 stuff blows my mind.. Hard to watch those.. such a heavy subject... JFK, too..

[iamnotafraid]

Conspiracy theories can be a fun read...

My story is made up of some truth.
But it was told mostly because I'm a
little tired of the they should do this -
they should do that threads. Plus when
one looks at the time it was written, I
should have been in bed. Insomnia helps
me write as much as Barry does.

It wasn't meant to trick anyone.

If I were serious and I rarely am, I'd say after
seeing John in the most recent pictures that
I wish Fleetwood Mac would just retire and
enjoy the rest of their lives.

I don't need another album from them.

That's just me. As I'm not speaking for
Rusty, Alec or Barry.

[WatchChain]

I actually think "The Ballad of The Queen and The Blonde" is very well written. I LOVED reading it!

HOWEVER, although I have been a little frustrated with Stevie lately, I don't think that she holds ANY jealousy toward Christine. While I'm sure they ARE NOT BEST friends, I think they have a pleasant, cordial relationship. Chris is so non-threatening, it would be hard to be jealous of her. In reality, Stevie's REAL ISSUE with returning to the Fleetwood Mac fold lies with ONE PERSON ALONE---Lindsey Buckingham. BOTTOM LINE--- Stevie and Lindsey just don't get along, folks! What's more, they know exactly how to push each other's buttons, and do so RELENTLESSLY.

Moreover, while on TOUR, I really don't think the band members spend all that much time together when they are NOT on stage or the airplane.

[AncientQueen]

If I were serious and I rarely am, I'd say after
seeing John in the most recent pictures that
I wish Fleetwood Mac would just retire and
enjoy the rest of their lives.

I don't need another album from them.

Now that is a saying that I wholeheartly agree with!

[Newzchspy]

From the Barry files...

Be careful what you wish for. Did the blonde Queen
of Fleetwood Mac get more than she bargained for with
the return of Christine McVie?

Rock 'n Roll is all about ego. And in this case the Queen's
eclipses the rest of the band all put together. Of course this
is nothing new to the rabid fans of the group.

Her ascendance to this position after the success of the
Rumours album. And her crowning after the Bella Donna
album gave her all the power.

She only showed weakness when her drug use debilitated
her. And her former lover in his one moment of triumph
over her and the band left in desperation to keep his sanity.

Even in her darkest hours of extreme weight gain, lethargic
concert performances and making the worst music of her life,
the ego propelled her on. Until even the fans had had enough.
Then she finally abandoned the ship which she helped run aground.

With no where to go the Queen jumped at the chance to appear
with her former band mates at a political convention. And as the
video from that night reveals she should have made a better choice
at choosing a wellness center instead of center stage on prime time
TV. Ego sometimes gives one a distorted view of themselves. And
sometimes it's the opposite of what one would think. While some
think worse of themselves, others think they're so great everyone
will accept or more importantly will still love them.

Years go by and with a little weight loss and more control over the
substances that abused her body there's a chance at something good
again. There's nothing like time that makes needy fans appreciate and
maybe see things in a different light. Almost like a magic act. You know
it's not real, but you so want to believe it that you suspend belief. We
see what we want to see. The Dance was this magic.

The Dance, Rock 'n Roll Hall Of Fame induction and a semi-successful
solo album infused her with all the ego she needed to carry her through
Say You Will and the subsequent greatest hits tours.

Back to her old self she willingly threw her band mates, most especially
the one that crafted her songs under the bus. And of course made sure
the public knew about her old flames - the ones she truly loved. It didn't
matter that her stories changed over the years. We still believed.

If only the Queen had a friend to help her control her antagonist. Perhaps
if the Blonde would return. Then the women could make things like they
were before. And the Blonde knew her place. On that there was no argument.

But here's where the story turns. What the Queen hadn't figured was how
much the Blonde would be loved when she returned. A few nights an ego
can take. But at over a year's worth of touring, ego can turn green.

What's the Queen to do? With her power she holds the others hostage
once again. The Blonde won't be the one appreciated on the next tour
or album. It will be the Queen once again - and only the Queen. If time
doesn't run out.


Wow, he hit the nail on the head......................

[Newzchspy]

I actually think "The Ballad of The Queen and The Blonde" is very well written. I LOVED reading it!

HOWEVER, although I have been a little frustrated with Stevie lately, I don't think that she holds ANY jealousy toward Christine. While I'm sure they ARE NOT BEST friends, I think they have a pleasant, cordial relationship. Chris is so non-threatening, it would be hard to be jealous of her. In reality, Stevie's REAL ISSUE with returning to the Fleetwood Mac fold lies with ONE PERSON ALONE---Lindsey Buckingham. BOTTOM LINE--- Stevie and Lindsey just don't get along, folks! What's more, they know exactly how to push each other's buttons, and do so RELENTLESSLY.

Moreover, while on TOUR, I really don't think the band members spend all that much time together when they are NOT on stage or the airplane.

Well said and well read. Seems like the King and Queen will never get along and the Court Jester is just trying to keep things together for the sake of his own ego and more importantly, his own pocket book.

[iamnotafraid]

I actually think "The Ballad of The Queen and The Blonde" is very well written. I LOVED reading it!

Thanks. That was very nice of you to say.

I like your title better.

It's funny, when I sit down to write something
like that if I can get the first sentence the rest
seems to write itself.

[iamnotafraid]

Now that is a saying that I wholeheartly agree with!

Good to know someone see's things the way I do.

John's health has changed my attitude towards
the band's inactivity. Even if that isn't the real reason
they are in a state of limbo.

[iamnotafraid]

Wow, he hit the nail on the head......................

Thanks.

I don't know why she has to be so mean about it.
I know some people carry hurt a long time. But
it's been so long now. And she still sticks the knives
in seemingly every chance she gets.

If it hurts that much she should have left a long time
ago.

[AncientQueen]

John's health has changed my attitude towards
the band's inactivity. Even if that isn't the real reason
they are in a state of limbo.
The last photos really scared me, John looks very fragile and sick, imho he is in no state to do a world tour, and greedy Mick eventually edging him on for his own financial gain seems cruel to me.

I don't want to see a band in which an individual member suffers.
And in this it is John! F***ing! McVie! so STOP IT!

[mitzo]

A lot of the pressure to tour is Mick and his endless financial problems I think.

[~*BellaDonna*~]

No Reva. No Josh.
I have to admit, I like a Guiding Light reference.. no matter which way it is intended to be taken.

[iamnotafraid]

I have to admit, I like a Guiding Light reference.. no matter which way it is intended to be taken.

I could have said "No Roger, No Holly", but didn't
think their ending was as good. And I'm hoping
Fleetwood Mac has a good ending.

Spaulding's, Thorpe's, McVie's, Bauer's, Nicks' and
Lewis' all fit. Maybe Netflix can revive Guiding Light
with the retired members of Fleetwood Mac.

[deribish]

I always thought the original Alexandra Spaulding (Beverlee McKinsey) looked like an older Stevie. Small and frail and lots of blonde hair, yet powerful, loyal and not someone to be messed with.

I could have said "No Roger, No Holly", but didn't
think their ending was as good. And I'm hoping
Fleetwood Mac has a good ending.

Spaulding's, Thorpe's, McVie's, Bauer's, Nicks' and
Lewis' all fit. Maybe Netflix can revive Guiding Light
with the retired members of Fleetwood Mac.

[Erin]

I could have said "No Roger, No Holly", but didn't
think their ending was as good. And I'm hoping
Fleetwood Mac has a good ending.

Spaulding's, Thorpe's, McVie's, Bauer's, Nicks' and
Lewis' all fit. Maybe Netflix can revive Guiding Light
with the retired members of Fleetwood Mac.

I still miss Guiding Light sometimes even though it was awful the last couple of years. I hope you're right about FM having a good ending, as opposed to GL!

[Tango]

Stevie's out because of Christine? Jealousy rears it's head

Nah, I think you're all wet,
iamnotafraid. The only person that
might be jealous (and I highly doubt that)
would be Brett Tuggle. I mean that in
the kindest of ways. He has been faithful
helpful to Fleetwood Mac, as well as to
Lindsey and Stevie in their solo ventures.
Stevie? She finished one tour, Christine
came back (after taking a 16
year vacation), and FM started all over
again with it's road trip. She's been on
the road practically every year. I believe
Stevie sincerely welcomed Christine back.
The timing probably was not the best. They
just wrapped up a grueling tour (by FM
standards). Additionally, Stevie was
badgered by Mick to "give up" on her
promotion of her solo album (In Your Dreams)
and she practically did almost nothing to
promote the later one, 24 karat Gold. I think
just she's tired and obviously has other committments
at the moment. (who knows when they
were made) BUT, that said, she did say
there would be another FM album.
I believe that is her intention.

[SeanJT]

What other committment right now is more important than Fleetwood Mac and its legions of fans? It's a mystery to me. A press release. Anything.

[iamnotafraid]

I always thought the original Alexandra Spaulding (Beverlee McKinsey) looked like an older Stevie. Small and frail and lots of blonde hair, yet powerful, loyal and not someone to be messed with.

She did look like Stevie. Maybe that's why Roger
liked her.

[iamnotafraid]

I still miss Guiding Light sometimes even though it was awful the last couple of years. I hope you're right about FM having a good ending, as opposed to GL!

It's funny, I kind of wish it was still on.
I did lose interest after Michael Zaslow
was let go because of his illness.

It was my mom's show. It came on at
2 pm where I live. So right after the show
went off I was out rounding up the cows.
Just a plain ole farm boy am I. Nothing like
the Lewis' and Spaulding's.

[iamnotafraid]

Stevie's out because of Christine? Jealousy rears it's head

Nah, I think you're all wet,iamnotafraid.

Don't blame me, blame Barry.
Who knows Stevie better?

[Hawkeye]

You know iamnotafraid, these days in particular there is an endless amount of great stuff on Netflix to keep anyone endlessly entertained! unlike music it is literally the best time ever for TV! There is so much more entertaining things out there then taunting fleetwood Mac fans with made up stories and made up people like rusty and Barry.


And no, you have not got to me and served the purpose of your posts. I'm truly not bothered at all. I just don't "get it." Exactly what you could possibly get out of this.

[Nathan]

She has talked about how horrible it made her feel when Christine and Lindsey wrote World Turning. Great read.

Can you point me to an article? Thanks.

[michelej1]

Can you point me to an article? Thanks.

Spin Magazine from October 1997


Well my success was not easy for Lindsey, not easy for any of them. And I knew that, and I felt terrible about it. There's a part of me that would have said, Let's tell everybody to stop talking about Stevie. Stop giving Stevie all this attention, because, guess what, it's making Stevie miserable. Because I have to live with these four people who know it's not my fault, but they can't help but blame me a little, and it's killing me. But I also remember getting very upset with Lindsey one night when I realized that he and Christine had written World Turning. I had been with Lindsey all those years and we had never written a song together. Plus, I walked into the studio and they were singing it together."



Michele

[BombaySapphire3]

I remember her remarks on this and thought then and still think it is absurd that she would say that it is not her fault that she was getting attention when she has always actively sought fame and stardom. There is nothing wrong with that but at least take responsibility for the behavior.

[michelej1]

I remember her remarks on this and thought then and still think it is absurd that she would say that it is not her fault that she was getting attention when she has always actively sought fame and stardom. There is nothing wrong with that but at least take responsibility for the behavior.

And while I think that Stevie's words were certainly true to some extent, I also think that she loves seeing herself in that role where everyone else is jealous. She's been talking about herself like this since Fritz. She talks of that early band and says how everyone came out to see the girl with the mousy hair and ignored everyone else in the band. She loves seeing herself as the focus of the crowd's and the industry's attention and the envy of all of her bandmates. So, she elaborates when this subject comes up.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

And while I think that Stevie's words were certainly true to some extent, I also think that she loves seeing herself in that role where everyone else is jealous. She's been talking about herself like this since Fritz. She talks of that early band and says how everyone came out to see the girl with the mousy hair and ignored everyone else in the band. She loves seeing herself as the focus of the crowd's and the industry's attention and the envy of all of her bandmates. So, she elaborates when this subject comes up.

Michele

It's almost as if. (it is), she is asking for pity because she had some mega sales early on in her solo career. Then she turns around and says, "But, they wrote a song without me, so it serves them right that I'm so successful." lol She is a piece of work.

[iamnotafraid]

1. You know iamnotafraid, there is so much more entertaining things out there then taunting fleetwood Mac fans with made up stories and made up people like rusty and Barry.


2. And no, you have not got to me and served the purpose of your posts. I'm truly not bothered at all. I just don't "get it." Exactly what you could possibly get out of this.


1. I don't see how my story was taunting. It's a story.

2. If you know the purpose of my post, wouldn't you know what I'd get out of it?

Barry, Rusty and I thank you for your comments. Alec is another matter. He didn't
appreciate the slight.

[Hawkeye]

You can go tell Alec that he isn't even significant enough of a fake person to have been mentioned! In fact have Barry relay the message just to rub it in.

[iamnotafraid]

She is a piece of work.

She's something alright.

______________________________________

Have we known her too long?

Do all relationships end like this? For those of us
who've been fans since the 80's (insert your own
decade) is it just time that's made us sick of her?

Time has given us too much information about the
Queen. Time and Al Gore's invention that is. And
then the ravages of time. Few escape it. If it weren't
for the Queen's Golden Flower she'd shrivel up like
Mother Gothel.

I never would have guessed that I'd feel this way
about her. I'd rather be mad at her than feel like
I do now. Which at best seems to be apathetic.

[jkmaletic]

Good Lord.

Stevie is not jealous. Stevie, in fact, tries to divert attention away from herself when she's with FM, almost to the point of being boring on stage. (Which is one of the reasons why I prefer seeing her solo.)

Unreal.

[iamnotafraid]

Stevie, in fact, tries to divert attention away from herself when she's with FM...



Wait a second...

[jbrownsjr]

Wait a second...

I know... I'm standing on my head trying to read that. :laugh:

[Nathan]

Good Lord.

Stevie is not jealous. Stevie, in fact, tries to divert attention away from herself when she's with FM, almost to the point of being boring on stage. (Which is one of the reasons why I prefer seeing her solo.)

Unreal.

Yeah, I've always liked her humility when she's onstage with other people. even her solo band, and especially back in the day, she was excited to talk about the other people who were with her. I think it's perhaps for more than one reason but nonetheless.

[michelej1]

I know... I'm standing on my head trying to read that. :laugh:

Stevie has developed the art of saying things and having people immediately believe them as if she had actually exhibited the behavior she boasts she possesses. Like if she says, "I'm extremely modest," she, of course, is.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

Stevie has developed the art of saying things and having people immediately believe them as if she had actually exhibited the behavior she boasts she possesses. Like if she says, "I'm extremely modest," she, of course, is.

Michele

When someone is constantly talking about their own behavior it's an early sign of who they are.

[michelej1]

Sorry, I mean to quote you, but edited instead.

When someone is constantly talking about their own behavior it's an early sign of who they are.

And as I watched him become more brilliant everyday, I felt very gratified. I was totally devoted to making it happen for him. I never worried about not being successful; I wanted to make it possible for him to be successful. And when you feel that way about somebody, it's very easy to take your own personality and quiet it way down. I knew my career was going to work out fine. I knew I wasn't going to lose myself.


But see like that. When Stevie describes herself that way, then I know she is the giving, selfless type.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

Sorry, I mean to quote you, but edited instead.




But see like that. When Stevie describes herself that way, then I know she is the giving, selfless type.

Michele

I used to have a friend with money. He would always insist on paying for dinner and then talk about it the rest of the night. :lol:

[haleyd]

Good Lord.

Stevie is not jealous. Stevie, in fact, tries to divert attention away from herself when she's with FM, almost to the point of being boring on stage. (Which is one of the reasons why I prefer seeing her solo.)

Unreal.

Yes!!! This. I was going to say this once I was done reading through all of this drivel but you beat me to the punch! ☺

[jbrownsjr]

Yes!!! This. I was going to say this once I was done reading through all of this drivel but you beat me to the punch! ☺

No real artist, especially someone as successful as Stevie Nicks is going to try to divert attention from themselves to change an outcome of who gets what fanfare. That's absurd.