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aleuzzi
01-16-2016, 07:33 PM
And go....
FuzzyPlum
01-16-2016, 08:02 PM
Affairs of the Heart, No Questions Asked,
Honourable mention: Love Is Dangerous
Most will say 'When I See You Again' but I like it because its on Tango In The Night which is just about perfect.
sorcerer999
01-16-2016, 08:08 PM
"Silver Girl". Puke.
haleyd
01-16-2016, 08:42 PM
Wow I honestly can't think of a single one.... I love all of her Mac stuff!
And, When I See You Again is one of my favorites! That song breaks my heart every single time!!
Macfan4life
01-16-2016, 09:02 PM
When I see you again
and
Welcome to the room sara
These songs seem like they were written in 5 minutes. Little time was spent on them lyrically and musically and it shows. When I see you again was mailed to the Mac when Stevie was high as a kite on the Rock A Little tour. Welcome to the room Sara seems like a rushed demo song about Stevie's short rehab stint. The song is weak lyrically and does not have much to offer musically. The album cut is not far from the demo. And that is not a good thing.
Jondalar
01-16-2016, 09:34 PM
The Second Time - gross
Silver Girl. Smile at You. Freedom. Sisters of the Moon (I know I'm in the minority on that one).
DauphineMarie
01-16-2016, 10:02 PM
Affairs of the Heart, Freedom (yet I love her other BTM contributions) and that's about it.
mitzo
01-16-2016, 10:39 PM
Affairs of the Heart, Freedom (yet I love her other BTM contributions) and that's about it.
This, exactly.
pattyfan
01-17-2016, 01:36 AM
Silver Girl, Ilume, Everybody Finds Out, Freedom, Paper Doll, and the worst...Not Make Believe
I like or love everything else. :)
Kevin
AncientQueen
01-17-2016, 06:20 AM
Her FM songs are not my main concern :). The band keeps her from epic fails like Whole Lotta Trouble, Sometimes is a Bitch or the embarrassment that is Desert Angel.
Still:
Dreams: boring me senseless since 1977
When I see you Again: What's the matter, baby?
Affairs of the Heart: And the time (4:22) would take its toll upon us all
The Second Time: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
SisterNightroad
01-17-2016, 08:33 AM
I don't really hate anything that she wrote but I have to admit that her works for Tango in the night and Behind the mask is the most lackluster.
jcalzaretta
01-17-2016, 08:49 AM
Silver Girl
The Highwayman
01-17-2016, 09:24 AM
Affairs of the Heart
No Questions Asked
That's it. Every other Stevie FM song I love or at least like (bearing in mind I haven't heard all of Behind the Mask).
Macfanforever
01-17-2016, 11:05 AM
Wow I honestly can't think of a single one.... I love all of her Mac stuff!
And, When I See You Again is one of my favorites! That song breaks my heart every single time!!
I agree .Whats with all the negativity with these "WORST_Fill in the blank______ Mac Song" threads lately.
Wheres the love for our favorite band.
Ted57
01-17-2016, 11:31 AM
When I See You Again. It's just painful to my ears.:sorry: I actually like Affairs of the Heart and No Questions Asked. I wonder what Lindsey's magic might have done to those to improve them.
FuzzyPlum
01-17-2016, 12:09 PM
I actually like Affairs of the Heart and No Questions Asked. I wonder what Lindsey's magic might have done to those to improve them.
You know, after the first section I dont think its too bad a song;
One set of doors was the colour of honey
One set of doors was pink and grey
That's just really shocking colour matching- pink, grey and honey. Yuck. Every time I listen to that song I get fixated on that colour scheme and think she's actually got no flair for interior design whatsoever. I lose interest in the rest of the song after that.
SpyNote
01-17-2016, 12:33 PM
Affairs of the Heart, Freedom (yet I love her other BTM contributions) and that's about it.
I put her songs that pull from literary works in a different category. Yeah, they're kind of funky, but I love to hear what she's reading.
Freedom:
"Dim and wavering on a wind-blown night / Whose honour, whose anger"
The Picture of Dorian Gray (Oscar Wilde):
"Dim and wavering as was the windblown light, yet it served to show him the hideous error"
olive
01-17-2016, 12:44 PM
You know, after the first section I dont think its too bad a song;
One set of doors was the colour of honey
One set of doors was pink and grey
That's just really shocking colour matching- pink, grey and honey. Yuck. Every time I listen to that song I get fixated on that colour scheme and think she's actually got no flair for interior design whatsoever. I lose interest in the rest of the song after that.
One set of doors was the colour of winter wheat
One set of doors was beige and beige
bombaysaffires
01-17-2016, 01:25 PM
When I see you again
and
Welcome to the room sara
These songs seem like they were written in 5 minutes. Little time was spent on them lyrically and musically and it shows. When I see you again was mailed to the Mac when Stevie was high as a kite on the Rock A Little tour. Welcome to the room Sara seems like a rushed demo song about Stevie's short rehab stint. The song is weak lyrically and does not have much to offer musically. The album cut is not far from the demo. And that is not a good thing.
I disagree about WTTRS being weak lyrically. It's actually a pretty literal and compelling telling of what went on with the intervention (which she always leaves out of her version of the story since) and trip to rehab... But I agree musically it's just a mess. The calypso-ish music just doesn't fit.
bombaysaffires
01-17-2016, 01:28 PM
Love about all her Mac stuff.....ok, Wassamatta Baby probably the worst.
She saves her best worst stuff for her solo work.
Jane.
I'd listen to "Wassamatta baby" a hundred times over than the damn chimp song.
Blue Lamp.
Lyrically-- Mabel Normand. Love what Waddy and Dave did with the arrangement on 24k and it's quite listenable there, but the words are a total drugged hallucination of random thought fragments.
I Don't Care. She's right, I really don't.
SisterNightroad
01-17-2016, 01:34 PM
You know, after the first section I dont think its too bad a song;
One set of doors was the colour of honey
One set of doors was pink and grey
That's just really shocking colour matching- pink, grey and honey. Yuck. Every time I listen to that song I get fixated on that colour scheme and think she's actually got no flair for interior design whatsoever. I lose interest in the rest of the song after that.
I actually had fun roaming the Pantone site trying possible colors combinations for this three colors. The one I like the best for now it's this:
http://s29.postimg.org/s59ge7n53/15_1142_TCX.jpg
http://s30.postimg.org/x5w4q75y9/beez_suur.jpg http://s1.postimg.org/avwse8pen/Old_Rose_429447_i0.png
FuzzyPlum
01-17-2016, 02:00 PM
I actually had fun roaming the Pantone site trying possible colors combinations for this three colors. The one I like the best for now it's this:
Well now, when you put it like that...not too bad at all. Maybe she was on to something- might look good in my dining room. I see this song in a completely different light. It's genius.
DauphineMarie
01-17-2016, 02:18 PM
I put her songs that pull from literary works in a different category. Yeah, they're kind of funky, but I love to hear what she's reading.
Freedom:
"Dim and wavering on a wind-blown night / Whose honour, whose anger"
The Picture of Dorian Gray (Oscar Wilde):
"Dim and wavering as was the windblown light, yet it served to show him the hideous error"
Very interesting, I was aware of some other references in her songs, but considering how much I love The Picture of Dorian Gray I can't believe I missed this one! The other Dorian Gray references come in Paper Doll (one of my very most favourites) and *I think* Rooms on Fire? I'm not sure, I'd have to look again. Oh, and Tragedy of One's Own Soul :p
Actually, I love the lyrics to these songs, just the music doesn't match or something.
SisterNightroad
01-17-2016, 03:36 PM
Well now, when you put it like that...not too bad at all. Maybe she was on to something- might look good in my dining room. I see this song in a completely different light. It's genius.
Ah ah ah, if you're interested, the colors are "honey gold" "warm grey 1" and "vintage rose"
I disagree about WTTRS being weak lyrically. It's actually a pretty literal and compelling telling of what went on with the intervention (which she always leaves out of her version of the story since) and trip to rehab... But I agree musically it's just a mess. The calypso-ish music just doesn't fit.
after reading SN's explanation of her Beautiful Child lyrics and i think LB's of her Storms or one of the other Tusk song lyrics, i am now enjoying seeing people deciphering that completely literal re-telling of some conversations from her life in some of her songs.
i think if you have interest in SN as a person, those kinds of lyrics and knowing how they came about / what events or conversations they transmit, those have to be a treasure trove.
... and i won't be picking "the worst song" from any of the 3 writers, since i simply don't listen to the songs that i consider bad, and i think all 3 rumours-era mac songwriters probably have plenty of those.
i do have to say that looking at people's choices, the titles of these threads really should't be necessarily "the worst" since while some people list really bad songs, others list spectacular and objectively boundary-pushing songs that they personally just don't like.
that said, my problem or disinterest with a lot of SN's songs is what i perceive as non-interesting, boring, not melodic enough or repetitive music, and in many cases basically reciting lyrics to some background music. in all Bowie's quotes that have been floating around this week, this one from 1980 kinda encapsulates my issue:
“It makes me so angry that people concentrate on lyrics. It implies there’s no message in the music itself.”
to me, when i listen to the song, my focus is on music, not lyrics.
KenshiMaster16
01-17-2016, 05:00 PM
Tie between When I See You Again and The Second Time.
*gags*
Emilybees
01-17-2016, 05:02 PM
I agree .Whats with all the negativity with these "WORST_Fill in the blank______ Mac Song" threads lately.
Wheres the love for our favorite band.
Agreed - more love! I am new to posting here - so am wondering - where would I find the thread to post a fond memory of hearing my first Fleetwood Mac song? and all the beautiful first listens after?
KarmaContestant
01-17-2016, 07:18 PM
It's interesting to me that most of the songs picked in this thread really just have horrible music or production. As a writer, Stevie is consistently great.
I'm not a fan of the way Paper Doll, Welcome To The Room Sara, or Goodbye Baby turned out, but all three could have been great songs.
Macfanforever
01-17-2016, 09:03 PM
Agreed - more love! I am new to posting here - so am wondering - where would I find the thread to post a fond memory of hearing my first Fleetwood Mac song? and all the beautiful first listens after?
Hahahaha.Welcome to the Ledge . You could start a new thread on first listens.
secondhandchain
01-17-2016, 09:10 PM
When I see you again. I'm only picking from the Rumours era lineup. . Her voice during the Rock a little/ Tango era was so over the top and annoying.
Macfanforever
01-17-2016, 09:12 PM
I know its not a Mac tune.
I probably mention this on a similar thread that I always had to skip "Sometimes It A Beach " on her Timespace CD at work because I was trying to be nice with other co-workers and sometimes over my mothers house.I do enjoy the song anyway privately without offending anybody with the cursing.
I play all FM and its members tunes on their albums strait through.
michelej1
01-17-2016, 09:33 PM
... and i won't be picking "the worst song" from any of the 3 writers, since i simply don't listen to the songs that i consider bad, and i think all 3 rumours-era mac songwriters probably have plenty of those.
Sometimes, it's hard to skip songs when they insist on playing them in concert. And sometimes, even when you think you've been spared and it's not going to be played in concert, they surprise you and drop OMH to stick Oh Daddy in there instead and you're like, "What?? I thought I dodged that bullet!"
Michele
Sometimes, it's hard to skip songs when they insist on playing them in concert. And sometimes, even when you think you've been spared and it's not going to be played in concert, they surprise you and drop OMH to stick Oh Daddy in there instead and you're like, "What?? I thought I dodged that bullet!"
Michele
ah, true. i'm so happy i dodged Sara on the last tour since it was only played during AUS/NZ leg. but i heard it way way more than enough during 2013 tour. i tried not to listen to it though - i'd chat, take pics of audience and arena behind me, or find some other way to occupy my time. :shrug:
since so many people love that song though, i'm guessing it must not be as bad, boring, or dirge-y of a song as it sounds to me. :shrug:
bombaysaffires
01-17-2016, 10:31 PM
ah, true. i'm so happy i dodged Sara on the last tour since it was only played during AUS/NZ leg. but i heard it way way more than enough during 2013 tour. i tried not to listen to it though - i'd chat, take pics of audience and arena behind me, or find some other way to occupy my time. :shrug:
since so many people love that song though, i'm guessing it must not be as bad, boring, or dirge-y of a song as it sounds to me. :shrug:
Oh elle, elle, elle............:distress:
KarmaContestant
01-18-2016, 12:13 AM
ah, true. i'm so happy i dodged Sara on the last tour since it was only played during AUS/NZ leg. but i heard it way way more than enough during 2013 tour. i tried not to listen to it though - i'd chat, take pics of audience and arena behind me, or find some other way to occupy my time. :shrug:
since so many people love that song though, i'm guessing it must not be as bad, boring, or dirge-y of a song as it sounds to me. :shrug:
I'm a Stevie fanatic, and I totally agree with you. Sara, live, is a snoozer. It just goes on, and on, and on, and never changes pace. It's like a droning awfulness.
aleuzzi
01-18-2016, 12:24 AM
I agree .Whats with all the negativity with these "WORST_Fill in the blank______ Mac Song" threads lately.
Wheres the love for our favorite band.
In truth, I only created this and the Lindsey "worst song" threads because I was tired of only seeing Christine get the brunt of the negativity. Since there's a worst song thread for her, I thought there should be one for each of the three songwriters.
In truth, I love much more of the music than not and, with a few very obvious exceptions, find them to be remarkably consistent in quality.
Macfanforever
01-18-2016, 01:41 AM
In truth, I only created this and the Lindsey "worst song" threads because I was tired of only seeing Christine get the brunt of the negativity. Since there's a worst song thread for her, I thought there should be one for each of the three songwriters.
In truth, I love much more of the music than not and, with a few very obvious exceptions, find them to be remarkably consistent in quality.
Sorry it was no offense to you and others.I was just wondering what was up.Everybody has a right to make a opinions on their favorite and non favorite songs and notice more of it lately.
I did notice the Christine thread getting hammered with negative thoughts of her songs there too which I was very surprised.
My only gripe with this band is please play different setlists on their tours and not the same stale setlist every night.Other then that.I love them all.
Macfan4life
01-18-2016, 05:26 AM
I take these threads with a grain of salt. We are all die hard fans but are each so different in our likes and dislikes. I don't see we are being negative but just engaging in conversation on a slow day on the board..
No one is more frustrated than me. I don't believe Christine has a bad Mac song and her thread is the longest :eek:
Missy
01-18-2016, 08:25 AM
Stevie's Klonopin era wasn't great. There were a lot of bad judgments. Unfortunately that's the era when I first started being aware of pop music, so my first impressions weren't great. Since I discovered the back catalog though I've been a fan.
I've always been biased toward Stevie and it took longer to warm to Christine. But I loved her on the last tour and realized how vital she is. Many of her songs charted very well for FM. I may not be crazy about all of her material but many others seem to like it and it's hard for me to believe she could write a truly bad song. I respect her a great deal. She plays beautiful keyboard and her smoother voice is a good counter balance to Stevie's tone.
As performers and artists, I think they all have their own individual strengths and weaknesses. But they balance each other and when together it's an interesting dynamic.
Macfan4life
01-18-2016, 08:39 AM
I disagree about WTTRS being weak lyrically. It's actually a pretty literal and compelling telling of what went on with the intervention (which she always leaves out of her version of the story since) and trip to rehab... But I agree musically it's just a mess. The calypso-ish music just doesn't fit.
I used the wrong words. Its more of a journal entry than a song. While I appreciate her openness in the song....its more of a journal entry than a song. Its just impossible to sing those lines. Doing the best that I can is the perfect rehab song from Stevie. Its subtle and has a great chorus. Welcome to the room Sara is clever writing but does not transform into a song or anything that can be sung except the short chorus LOL I do believe with some time and maybe some help there could have been a better way to transform the lyrics into a better song.
Its not home
And its not Tara
Do I know you
Have I've been here before
This is a dream, right?
Of course it was a problem Frontine
Hard to put those lines into a workable song IMHO.
However, according to Mick's first book this was NOT Stevie's pick for Tango. She turned over What has rock n roll ever done for you but for some reason the Mac passed on the song. Too bad because I bet Lindsey could have tweeked that into perfection if he wanted. Plus Tango could have used another rocking song.
In any event, I am actually glad the song surfaced. But musically the song is horrible. When I first heard it , I was shocked that Lindsey was involved with such a crappy song musically. Then I heard the demo and its almost the same. My hunch is that Stevie's songs were last for Tango since she was on tour and in rehab. Not much time was spent on them and it shows.
Artemis
01-18-2016, 08:42 AM
I've been listening to SYW a lot recently, and I actually really LOVE Silver Girl. It has a few clunky lyrics, but the music is gorgeous and the chorus is pretty great. I also love WISYA, just because it's so revealing of where Stevie was at that moment in time.
Welcome to the room... Sara, on the other hand... Sigh. If only she'd swapped that for Joan of Arc!
I also really really really despise the SYW version of Smile At You. I can't get away with it at all. I've tried. Numerous times.
welcomechris
01-18-2016, 10:51 AM
The Second Time or When I See You Again
KarmaContestant
01-18-2016, 11:05 AM
In truth, I love much more of the music than not and, with a few very obvious exceptions, find them to be remarkably consistent in quality.
Likewise. I like pretty much all of Fleetwood Mac's work, but there's always going to be songs that we like more or less than others.
I also really really really despise the SYW version of Smile At You. I can't get away with it at all. I've tried. Numerous times.
Oh gosh, yes, that one.
bombaysaffires
01-18-2016, 11:29 AM
I used the wrong words. Its more of a journal entry than a song. While I appreciate her openness in the song....its more of a journal entry than a song. Its just impossible to sing those lines. Doing the best that I can is the perfect rehab song from Stevie. Its subtle and has a great chorus. Welcome to the room Sara is clever writing but does not transform into a song or anything that can be sung except the short chorus LOL I do believe with some time and maybe some help there could have been a better way to transform the lyrics into a better song.
Its not home
And its not Tara
Do I know you
Have I've been here before
This is a dream, right?
Of course it was a problem Frontine
Hard to put those lines into a workable song IMHO.
However, according to Mick's first book this was NOT Stevie's pick for Tango. She turned over What has rock n roll ever done for you but for some reason the Mac passed on the song. Too bad because I bet Lindsey could have tweeked that into perfection if he wanted. Plus Tango could have used another rocking song.
In any event, I am actually glad the song surfaced. But musically the song is horrible. When I first heard it , I was shocked that Lindsey was involved with such a crappy song musically. Then I heard the demo and its almost the same. My hunch is that Stevie's songs were last for Tango since she was on tour and in rehab. Not much time was spent on them and it shows.
Yes, WTRS is a clunky mix of the lyrics with that music. Lost potential.
Lindsey frankly didn't have much to work with from her on that album. 'What has R&R' is awful. Musically of course he could have worked on it but lyrically it really says nothing, tells no story, and is boring and repetitive. If she's not gonna beef up the lyrics it's still gonna be lacking. You know, the whole polishing a turd thing.
The band didn't seem particularly sympathetic to the whole rehab thing and had taken this stance about "we're recording and you need to be here and you're late" and all that. So, unlike for instance during SYW where she had the clout to insist on a month off [after she stopped her tour with Sheryl and before she went into the studio with FM] to crank out 4 new songs that were up to the right standard to bring the band, she had no such clout during that rehab period and just gave them what she had.
KarmaContestant
01-18-2016, 11:47 AM
Yes, WTRS is a clunky mix of the lyrics with that music. Lost potential.
Lindsey frankly didn't have much to work with from her on that album. 'What has R&R' is awful. Musically of course he could have worked on it but lyrically it really says nothing, tells no story, and is boring and repetitive. If she's not gonna beef up the lyrics it's still gonna be lacking. You know, the whole polishing a turd thing.
The band didn't seem particularly sympathetic to the whole rehab thing and had taken this stance about "we're recording and you need to be here and you're late" and all that.
I'm sort of mystified about why Stevie didn't reach back to some of the material not used for Rock A Little. Perhaps she was saving it for future solo efforts, perhaps she distanced herself from it because the songs reminded her of drugs and partying, or perhaps she just wanted to offer something brand new.
Stevie was so different post-rehab, it's hard to even speculate on what was going through her mind. WTTRS is, for me, the first indication that Stevie Nicks did not come out of rehab as the same person who went in. Nearly every song on The Other Side of the Mirror reflects the same muddled mind that wrote WTTRS. The fact that Timespace relied on other writers for the two new singles really demonstrates her lack of confidence.
It's really quite remarkable that she did eventually emerge from that Klonopin haze. How disappointing would the past two decades have been for her fans otherwise? Street Angel could have been the end of it all.
Macfan4life
01-18-2016, 12:03 PM
I'm sort of mystified about why Stevie didn't reach back to some of the material not used for Rock A Little. Perhaps she was saving it for future solo efforts, perhaps she distanced herself from it because the songs reminded her of drugs and partying, or perhaps she just wanted to offer something brand new.
Stevie was so different post-rehab, it's hard to even speculate on what was going through her mind. WTTRS is, for me, the first indication that Stevie Nicks did not come out of rehab as the same person who went in. Nearly every song on The Other Side of the Mirror reflects the same muddled mind that wrote WTTRS. The fact that Timespace relied on other writers for the two new singles really demonstrates her lack of confidence.
It's really quite remarkable that she did eventually emerge from that Klonopin haze. How disappointing would the past two decades have been for her fans otherwise? Street Angel could have been the end of it all.
Her 3 songs on Tango are simple and rushed and I am sure its because she was there a total of 3 weeks during the year or so they took to record it. But Seven Wonders was written by someone else so really she contributed 2 songs. I agree with your curiousity why RAL demos were not used like Running through the Garden, etc.
But if you breakdown Stevie's Tango songs musically...Seven Wonders, Welcome to the room Sara, and When I see you again.......they are very simple and basic. Nothing fancy and no risks. Its a shame because Running through the Garden or Mirror Mirror could have really added depth to Tango in the Night. I love the youtube video from backstage RAL tour where Stevie is asked if she is contributing to the new Mac record. She says she sent them a nice acoustic song which was When I see you again. I picture a Fed Ex package being delivered to Lindsey LMAO :eek: Here, I am busy on tour making millions....see what you can do with this LOL
One of the reasons Tango is my least favorite Mac album is the musical weakness of Stevie songs and it also sounds like a Lindsey solo album.
I actually really like What has rock n roll ever done for you. But the song has an arrogance streak IMHO and that is why Lindsey may have not wanted to use it. The song is clever is asking a question but then Stevie goes "French champagne " Its a fun song but sometimes it does sound like she is rubbing the fame and wealth of a rock star in your face (even though that may not be her intent).
sadmabelnormand
01-18-2016, 12:09 PM
Honestly I'm a fan of WTTRS and Paper Doll (also WISYA, contrary to many people I love the "whatsamattah baby"s), but to each their own.
I love the demo for Goodbye Baby (The Tower from 1976) a lot more than the version on Say You Will. The off-beat metronome thing ruins it for me.
I don't really like Everybody Finds Out, its not specific things, just the song in general.
DauphineMarie
01-18-2016, 12:31 PM
Just like with Rock a Little, Tango in the Night was a wasted opportunity on Stevie's part. At the time she didn't really have a choice to be there/not to be there, and the band should have understood to some extent. However, during this time I think Stevie was extremely insecure and susceptible to other people's opinions (i.e. why RAL turned out too commercial) and, coupled with the introduction of Klonopin, probably was a nightmare to deal with musically. I do think Joan of Arc could have been the saving grace for Tango, imho.
What Has Rock and Roll Ever Done For You? I think would have been slightly distasteful considering she had just come out of rehab... Other than that it could have been a big hit.
SisterNightroad
01-18-2016, 01:11 PM
I do think Joan of Arc could have been the saving grace for Tango, imho.
I support this.
welcomechris
01-18-2016, 01:23 PM
I support this.
I do too, the production couldn't of been better on that track
FuzzyPlum
01-18-2016, 02:58 PM
Honestly I'm a fan of WTTRS
I am too. I really, really like it.
Welcome To The Room Sara is real, gritty, earthy and powerful. I often turn the volume up to 11. So much emotion in the song. I think Lindsey probably did more work on it that people might think. WTTRS and then into Isn't It Midnight...wow, bang bang.
bombaysaffires
01-18-2016, 11:46 PM
Just like with Rock a Little, Tango in the Night was a wasted opportunity on Stevie's part. At the time she didn't really have a choice to be there/not to be there, and the band should have understood to some extent. However, during this time I think Stevie was extremely insecure and susceptible to other people's opinions (i.e. why RAL turned out too commercial) and, coupled with the introduction of Klonopin, probably was a nightmare to deal with musically. I do think Joan of Arc could have been the saving grace for Tango, imho.
What Has Rock and Roll Ever Done For You? I think would have been slightly distasteful considering she had just come out of rehab... Other than that it could have been a big hit.
Tom says in his bio that he would say to her why are you being influenced by all these twits who are focused on getting you hit singles??? He said he was very direct and "probably an asshole" and she would get majorly mad when he would call her a "pop star" (and he didn't mean it as a compliment). He told her she needed to be reminded of "what she's capable of" and not making "synthesizer rock". I think this period of time you talk about it the time period he refers to.
He's So Unusual
01-19-2016, 04:16 AM
When I See You Again
...urgh!
Wdm6789
01-19-2016, 04:48 AM
Anything from Stevie on Tango in The Night.
landslide95
01-19-2016, 07:56 AM
Welcome to the Room Sara and Sisters of the Moon for me. No other songs I can think of. :shrug:
jbrownsjr
01-19-2016, 09:52 AM
Silver Girl
Second Time
She was always accused of saving her best work for solo. That is nonsense and I beg to differ. She has so many bad solo songs. Sometimes It's a Bitch comes to mind. Among many others in her collection. It's bound to happen. She has the most prolific solo career out of the 3 writers.
I think her stuff with FM is solid.
I don't mind WTTRS or WISYA. Of course, Lindsey and Christine's backing vocals smooth things out a bit. When Lindsey takes the lead on WISYA, it really moves me. And I'm the farthest thing from a Shipper you can be. I don't think they've really connected musically since Tusk. But WISYA, has really emotional lyrics. I think of Stevie saying goodbye to everyone and they both move on farther with their lives. And of course, he moves on to get married and have children and she eventually gets clean and maintains her ever fading star status. But their story is inspiring and it's a good story.
sadmabelnormand
01-19-2016, 02:30 PM
I do think Joan of Arc could have been the saving grace for Tango, imho.
I feel that would've been a good closer instead of You and I Part II.
I don't mind WTTRS or WISYA. Of course, Lindsey and Christine's backing vocals smooth things out a bit. When Lindsey takes the lead on WISYA, it really moves me. And I'm the farthest thing from a Shipper you can be. I don't think they've really connected musically since Tusk. But WISYA, has really emotional lyrics. I think of Stevie saying goodbye to everyone and they both move on farther with their lives. And of course, he moves on to get married and have children and she eventually gets clean and maintains her ever fading star status. But their story is inspiring and it's a good story.
To me, the best part is when Stevie's vocals end and Lindsey's come in, and he changes it from "When I See You Again" to "If I See You Again". It's truly devastating. Also maybe it was foreshadowing to him leaving the band? :shrug:
nicole21290
01-19-2016, 03:47 PM
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To me, the best part is when Stevie's vocals end and Lindsey's come in, and he changes it from "When I See You Again" to "If I See You Again". It's truly devastating. Also maybe it was foreshadowing to him leaving the band? :shrug:
The change of lyrics at the end and ESPECIALLY Lindsey coming in to sing? Makes that song very worthwhile to me.
"How do you like my slow song with Lindsey singing at the end? That's one of my favorite things. I made him sing with me. I said, 'Lindsey, you're gonna sing on all my songs whether you like it or not - you have to sing this with me.' So we went out and sang 'If I see you again, will it be over...' We sang it in unison, then I snuck in and took my voice off. Otherwise, I'd have never gotten him to do it. See, Lindsey's pretty shy and he's singing differently there than he is on anything else on the record. He wouldn't think to do that, to sing on my song at the end. He would think to sing with me, but he wouldn't want to end it. But that's what I wanted, to leave people feeling they are really talking about each other."
jbrownsjr
01-19-2016, 06:42 PM
I feel that would've been a good closer instead of You and I Part II.
To me, the best part is when Stevie's vocals end and Lindsey's come in, and he changes it from "When I See You Again" to "If I See You Again". It's truly devastating. Also maybe it was foreshadowing to him leaving the band? :shrug:
It really is a wonderful FM moment.
GypsySorcerer
01-20-2016, 10:39 AM
When I See You Again
Honorable Mentions: Welcome to the Room...Sara; The Second Time; Everybody Finds Out; Silver Girl
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