Dave Stewart Memoir [Archive]

michelej1

01-13-2016, 01:29 PM

Eurythmics’ Dave Stewart to Publish Revealing Memoir, "Sweet Dreams Are Made of This," Next Month

BY ABC News Radio | January 12, 2016

http://kwbe.com/abc_classicr/eurythmics-dave-stewart-to-publish-revealing-memoir-sweet-dreams-are-made-of-this-next-month-abcid35579547/

Founding Eurythmics guitarist/songwriter Dave Stewart shares stories about his fascinating and wide-ranging career in a new memoir titled Sweet Dreams Are Made of This: A Life in Music. The book, which features an introduction by Stewart friend and collaborator Mick Jagger, will be published on February 9 and will be available in hardcover, audio and electronic editions.

In the autobiography, Stewart delves into his years with Eurythmics singer Annie Lennox, including the five-year romantic relationship they had prior to the group’s formation. He also discusses his collaborations as a musician, songwriter and producer with a variety of other famous artists, including Jagger, Bob Dylan, Stevie Nicks, Tom Petty, Daryl Hall and more.

Among the interesting tales included in Sweet Dreams Are Made of This are Stewart’s recollection of a visit he and Dylan made to the folk-rock legend’s favorite underground club, a crazy night night he spent at Nicks’ Beverly Hills residence during the 1980s and a psychedelic experience he had with Hall.

Of course, Dave also reveals stories behind the creation of many of classic Eurythmics songs, including “Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This),” “Here Comes the Rain Again” and “Would I Lie to You.”

“It has been a mind-blowing experience looking back on all of these adventures and wondering how I managed to survive a lot of them,” says Stewart of the memoir. “Just writing about the wild things that happened to me back in the ’70s, ’80s and ’90s was exhausting. Mind you not much has changed! I must have taken a busy pill somewhere along the ride.”

FuzzyPlum

01-13-2016, 01:50 PM

Among the interesting tales included in Sweet Dreams Are Made of This are Stewart’s recollection of a visit he and Dylan made to the folk-rock legend’s favorite underground club, a crazy night night he spent at Nicks’ Beverly Hills residence during the 1980s and a psychedelic experience he had with Hall.

the night of their 'Dont Come Around Here No More' romantic liaison, I'm sure?
Ooh. I wonder if he's prepped her in advance for that expose.

olive

01-13-2016, 03:07 PM

She needs to get over herself.

Newzchspy

01-13-2016, 03:36 PM

He needs to get over himself.

Fixed ^ ^ ^ that for you!!!

olive

01-13-2016, 03:47 PM

Why he's not ashamed of the things he did in life, she is

Newzchspy

01-13-2016, 04:14 PM

Why he's not ashamed of the things he did in life, she is

Are we talking about Joe or Dave??? They BOTH have regrets I am sure!!

olive

01-13-2016, 04:31 PM

Joe who ? The topic of this thread is about Dave Stewart in his autobiography isn't it?

Newzchspy

01-13-2016, 04:36 PM

Joe who ? The topic of this thread is about Dave Stewart in his autobiography isn't it?

and the song was about Joe Walsh of the Eagles at the time, with whom she had broken UP with the night before................

FuzzyPlum

01-13-2016, 05:06 PM

Newzchspy

01-13-2016, 05:30 PM

My understanding is she broke up with Joe and immediately spent the night with Dave. When she kicked him out in the morning he wrote the song after she said 'Dont come round here no more'. Can't remember whether she made the comment to Joe or Dave. Joe I think.

Apparently Dave overheard it and it was a reference to Joe as in "Dont Come Round Here no More."

NOW, as to whether Stevie and Dave did the deed, UGGH, I surely hope not!! A true gentleman would never tell. BUT, her choice in men has not always been stellar too.

bombaysaffires

01-15-2016, 12:01 AM

they sure did. Twice, according to Dave. Once that night and once again in the morning.

Tis true.

And she knew he would talk about it and was fine with it.

She invited him to party at her house. She was off with her girls, high as a kite, staying up all night putting on different outfits and the like. She was into very frilly frou-frou Victorian nightgowns and dressings gowns and such in those days. She stumbled into the bedroom where he had gone to crash out after she'd forgotten about him with her friends. They took a tumble. Then another.

There was something in the story about him wearing like leather pants that laced up on the front and in the morning she was all like, "you need to go!" ( I can't recall if it was because Joe was coming by or something...anyway) and fumbling with trying to do up the laces on his trousers. Oy.

Macfan4life

01-15-2016, 06:26 AM

Here is an interview with Dave on Howard Stern many years ago. He says that Joe and Stevie are ok with this story being told. He met Stevie the night after he broke up with Joe Walsh. He did not know who she was and she did not know who he was. Crazy night back and Stevie's place where they made romantic love twice. Stevie got up and told him he had to go because someone was coming to collect his clothes. But too late, Joe was there. The inspiration for the mad hatter theme on the video Don't Come around here no more was Stevie's house. Dave found out Jimmy Iovine was living with Stevie and Tom was coming over and it was so insane it reminded him of the mad hatter tea party from Alice in Wonderland. The Stevie story begins around 6:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLKj5YDsG-E

olive

01-15-2016, 07:50 AM

Thats amazing he took all that and turned it into a hit song

Newzchspy

01-15-2016, 05:47 PM

Macfan4life

01-15-2016, 06:41 PM

Still confused :confused:

Who was Stevie telling to "Dont Come Around here no more??" Joe or Dave or whom?? If it were Dave, I'd understand, BUT she truly loved Joe and has alluded to this in many non-Pinocchio interviews.
Did you listen to the interview? She says it to Joe. The night before they broke up after the Wild Heart Tour. Dave was in Stevie's bed when he heard Joe's voice downstairs and Stevie said to Joe "Don't come around here no more." Dave wrote the song for Stevie but Tom Petty wanted it because he said Stevie had one of his songs SDMHA on Bella Donna and he wanted the song which Stevie said ok. In the beginning of the video you can see Dave on top of the mushroom as the mad hatter. Early in this interview Dave explains he dropped acid a lot and it led to his creativity.
Very very wild wild times indeed.

michelej1

01-16-2016, 11:39 PM

New York Daily News, January 16, 2016

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/eurythmics-star-tells-new-book-article-1.2498560

Michael Buckner/Getty Images for SXSW

Musicians Dave Stewart (L) and Stevie Nicks arrive at the screening of "In Your Dreams:Stevie Nicks" during the 2013 SXSW Music, Film + Interactive Festival.

Eurythmics founder Dave Stewart tells Confidenti@l that his upcoming memoir “Sweet Dreams Are Made of This: A Life in Music” is full of revelations, one of which recalls a debauched trip to L.A. in 1983 when the Eurythmics topped the charts and he wound up on top of Stevie Nicks.

“We were number one in America and I met Stevie backstage when we played the Wiltern Theater and it was packed full of loads of singers and Los Angeles glitterati and I got whisked with Stevie back to her house to a party that she invited me to,” Stewart tells Confidenti@l. “But when I got there, there was no party, just an empty house. So I thought, ‘Well this is interesting.’ We wound up staying together.”

Things got even more interesting for Stewart a few days later when he wound up in a recording studio with Nicks and her ex-boyfriend, producer Jimmy Iovine.

“There was a great point at the piano where she and Jimmy were arguing at the piano and he said, ‘Don’t argue in front of my friend, you don’t even know him,’ and she said ‘What are you talking about? We slept together the other night.’”

Those sessions resulted in Stewart writing “Don’t Come Around Here No More,” which wound up being recorded by Tom Petty in 1985.

Stewart says that for better or worse, his four kids, aged 13 to 28, will probably learn a few things about their pop-star papa when his book hits shelves next I got there, there was no party, just an empty house. So I thought, ‘Well this is interesting.’ We wound up staying together.”

Things got even more interesting for Stewart a few days later when he wound up in a recording studio with Nicks and her ex-boyfriend, producer Jimmy Iovine.

“There was a great point at the piano where she and Jimmy were arguing at the piano and he said, ‘Don’t argue in front of my friend, you don’t even know him,’ and she said ‘What are you talking about? We slept together the other night.’”

Those sessions resulted in Stewart writing “Don’t Come Around Here No More,” which wound up being recorded by Tom Petty in 1985.

Stewart says that for better or worse, his four kids, aged 13 to 28, will probably learn a few things about their pop-star papa when his book hits shelves next month.

“I’ve pre-warned them,” he laughs, unsure of whether or not they’ll read his book. “I think at one point in their lives they probably will ... well, what can I say? What can I do, you know?”

Stewart also says his 1983 smash hit “Sweet Dreams,” which inspired his book title, has also become something he can’t control.

“There are hit records that do well in one country, but don’t do anything in other countries,” he said. “When you have a record that it’s a hit in every country, it becomes like (the song) ‘Happy Birthday.’ Wherever you go, it’s playing somewhere to this day. Someone in Korea is singing it in a karaoke bar while it’s on the sound system when you’re buying your groceries. And you get in the car and it’s on and some cover band is playing it somewhere. It’s a great thing.”

DauphineMarie

01-17-2016, 02:27 PM

bombaysaffires

01-17-2016, 03:37 PM

^^^ For some reason I can't imagine Stevie being okay with this being released in such an uncouth fashion. One would think he would have asked permission? I know he doesn't have to and it's not his job, but considering their close working relationship, I would imagine she wouldn't be too happy. :shrug:

He did. He has said publicly he did ask her if it was ok and she said it was. She still seems to want to work with him, so if she wasn't ok....

SisterNightroad

01-17-2016, 03:52 PM

DauphineMarie

01-17-2016, 04:24 PM

He did. He has said publicly he did ask her if it was ok and she said it was. She still seems to want to work with him, so if she wasn't ok....

Hmm interesting... Thank you! I knew the story itself was true, but I just couldn't imagine her condoning the piece considering how guarded she is/was about her conquests. ;)

bombaysaffires

01-17-2016, 05:04 PM

Hmm interesting... Thank you! I knew the story itself was true, but I just couldn't imagine her condoning the piece considering how guarded she is/was about her conquests. ;)

i think for sure she's sensitive about "outing" other people... she always says she'll write her book after everyone's "so old they won't care anymore" and recently said all her old beaus etc are "on their 3rd wives" which wasn't clear-- does she think the wives will care?? Who knows.

When 24k came out she talked openly about which songs were about Mick because she laughed "he doesn't care" and he had already let it out himself.

Same with Dave-- he outed himself. But he asked her first.

lilyfee

01-17-2016, 11:41 PM

I even remember they had already told this story together on tv once.

Can anyone find this? I would love to see it.

SisterNightroad

01-18-2016, 08:00 AM

Can anyone find this? I would love to see it.
Unfortunately I don't remember well.
It was talk/Tv show, they were talking about In You Dreams and the interviewer was a woman. When she asked how they met, they told this story together in quite a funny fashion.

Missy

01-22-2016, 08:25 PM

I was surprised to learn that they had a brief fling in the 1980s. The Eurythmics were an interesting group, but quite different to Fleetwood Mac in style.

He seemed like a very quiet person and not an obvious pin up. Stevie Nicks was going through one of her worst times though and a painful breakup. I am guessing that's why it happened but didn't last long.

There are women who find English men and their accents charming. And he must have a thing for eccentric women, having also been involved with Annie Lennox and married to Siobhan Fahey.

I like biographies and The Eurythmics, but probably won't read this book. I don't necessarily want to know what was happening behind the scenes. Would probably mess with the perceptions I had as a kid.

nicole21290

01-28-2016, 03:38 PM

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/magazine-feature/6859098/dave-stewart-memoir-excerpt-stevie-nicks-fling-tom-petty-song-jimmy-iovine

In an exclusive excerpt from 'Sweet Dreams Are Made of This: A Life in Music,' Dave Stewart's scintillating memoir (Feb. 4, NAL), the former Eurythmics member recalls a wild night of love -- and drugs -- with Stevie Nicks (and the drama that followed)

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We continued touring America for the remainder of 1984. When Annie [Lennox] and I played the Wiltern Theatre in Los Angeles, the place was absolutely packed with half of the L.A. music industry and a host of famous *musicians. There was hardly room for the general public. It was a wild show. There were a lot of *musicians and *singers backstage, and one of them was Stevie Nicks.

Stevie was in my dressing room doorway, wearing a faux-fur coat just like the first time I met Annie. Underneath she wore a black lace dress and she had long, flowing hair. I didn't know who she was, but there was something about her that I was instantly attracted to. Stevie remembers that I looked her straight in the eye and said, "I want to be your *boyfriend." Little did I know that the day before, [The Eagles'] Joe Walsh and Stevie had had a big fight and had broken up. She invited me back to her house for a party, and 10 minutes later, still in full sweaty leather stage gear, I was in the back of a limo with Stevie and her backing singers.When we got there it wasn't really a party: just Stevie and her singers being very speedy, *laughing and talking. The house seemed enormous to me, so I wandered around, and when I came back to the *living room, they had all disappeared into a bathroom for what seemed like hours. Actually it was hours. At around three in the morning, I ended up saying to myself, "OK, I'm really tired now and I have no idea where I am or which hotel Annie and the band are staying in."

I just went to bed in one of the four bedrooms upstairs. I woke up at about 5 a.m. to the sound of doors rustling open and in the half-light saw Stevie opening and closing closets, as if it was the middle of the afternoon. Obviously they were all still *wide awake, aided, I imagine, by what we in England call "marching powder." Stevie went back in the bathroom and about an hour later came out in a long Victorian *nightdress and quietly slipped into the other side of the bed. Stevie is an incredibly talented, soulful and *beautiful woman. There was a fair amount of what I'd call skirmishing that went on. I remember at one point actually falling backward out of bed onto the floor, which made us both laugh hysterically. Stevie recently told me that all she could see when she came out of the bathroom that night was a mound of black leather and chains on the floor and a wild head of hair poking out of the bed covers. I remember making love once, but she later told me we made love twice. And then she said, "I remember clearly because I was wide awake, wired on cocaine." It was all very good-humored and sweet, but also romantic in a rock'n'roll kind of way.

I was woken up at about 9:30 a.m. by Stevie saying I had to leave because someone might have been coming around to collect their clothes, and things could get tricky. I didn't like the sound of "tricky," so I phoned my management, found out where the band was *staying and jumped in a cab.

After San Francisco we had some time off, and I decided to go back to L.A. to see Stevie again. Jimmy Iovine, the great producer who went on to start Interscope Records in the early '90s, had invited me to stay with him at his house, and this was where it got interesting. I had no idea of the complexity of the relationships among Jimmy, Stevie Nicks and Tom Petty at the time. But I was soon to find out more than I ever imagined.

Jimmy had been living with Stevie in 1981 when he was producing her album Bella Donna, which was a huge success. Now he was working on her next album, except this time around they were not together. Stevie said later that it was because she was so addicted to drugs at that time.

I played Jimmy the demo of "Don't Come Around Here No More" [which Stewart co-wrote and co-produced], and he said, "Wow! This is going to be great. Let's make it for Stevie's album."

I jumped at the chance to work with Stevie, and we went right into the studio a few days later. When we started recording, Stevie was acting strangely and not really coming out of the bathroom much.

There seemed to have been quite a bit of friction between them. I had no idea that it was because they had been living together and were now broken up. Finally, Stevie appeared with her lyric book and started to sing into the microphone.

I was mesmerized until Jimmy said, "She's *reciting f--ing Shakespeare!" He did have a point; it was kind of Shakespearean and very odd. He was trying to get Stevie to change the lyrics. Stevie was upset and the discussion became very tense. He was saying, "Can you stop arguing with me in front of my friend David? You don't really know him." And she said, "Your friend? What are you talking about? We slept together the other night." I turned white and stared at the floor, *wondering what was coming next. Fortunately Stevie turned, walked out the door and left the studio.

I thought Jimmy was going to ask, "What does that mean?" But he just said, "I know what we should do. We should get Tom Petty down here to finish writing the song with you. He's great."

This story originally appeared in the Feb. 6 issue of Billboard.

James89

01-28-2016, 07:00 PM

Wow! Thanks so much for sharing. So they did do the deed, twice... :shocked:

BlueDenimLamp

01-28-2016, 10:09 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dave Stewart Recalls His Fling With Stevie Nicks -- and How It Led to a Hit With Tom Petty! <a href="https://t.co/JMuONniTA2">https://t.co/JMuONniTA2</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/billboard">@billboard</a></p>— Dave Stewart (@DaveStewart) <a href="https://twitter.com/DaveStewart/status/692904858651746306">January 29, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r663/Nicksiannation/ds_zpsenusmqzx.png

Let the promotion begin!

bombaysaffires

01-28-2016, 11:34 PM

I had no idea of the complexity of the relationships among Jimmy, Stevie Nicks and Tom Petty at the time. But I was soon to find out more than I ever imagined.

I find this bit verrrrry intriguing. We know Stevie and Jimmy had a multi year affair, but she and Tom have always maintained they were just "friends".

Her and Tom being pals doesn't seem like it should be all that "complex"..... so what was the real deal, hmmmm?

lvhlive!

01-30-2016, 08:55 AM

My question is how on earth did he have no idea who Stevie Nicks was in 1984??

welcomechris

01-30-2016, 09:24 AM

My question is how on earth did he have no idea who Stevie Nicks was in 1984??

Well stevie wasn't a huge solo act over in the UK back in 1984.I'm sure he knew Fleetwood Mac, but not her in general.

crazy, indeed,

michelej1

01-30-2016, 02:49 PM

My question is how on earth did he have no idea who Stevie Nicks was in 1984??

Right. And he's in the music business and friends with some of her friends. What in the world.

Michele

elle

01-30-2016, 04:13 PM

Right. And he's in the music business and friends with some of her friends. What in the world.

Michele

i don't know. i'm from Europe (but yeah not in the music business), and while i was very familiar with FM name (and the music from previous FM incarnations), i've never heard of Stevie Nicks before moving to the US.

lilyfee

01-30-2016, 05:22 PM

He could have been familiar with her name or band, but not known what she looked like.

Or been so wrapped up in his own life that he didn't have time to listen to other music.:shrug:

olive

01-30-2016, 05:28 PM

He could have been familiar with her name or band, but not known what she looked like.

Or been so wrapped up in his own life that he didn't have time to listen to other music.:shrug:

he should have googled her :]:]:]:]

in all fairness I know people who don't know who she is today

michelej1

01-30-2016, 07:10 PM

he should have googled her :]:]:]:]

in all fairness I know people who don't know who she is today

It's easier not to know who she is today than it was back then.

Michele

michelej1

01-30-2016, 07:13 PM

i don't know. i'm from Europe (but yeah not in the music business), and while i was very familiar with FM name (and the music from previous FM incarnations), i've never heard of Stevie Nicks before moving to the US.

I may have heard their music and have heard their names, but I didn't know what any of them looked like until 1979. BUT I did know the names and faces of my peers, people that I was in school with. I think if I was Dave Stewart I would have known a little more about people who were making the music charts and magazine covers at the same time as I was.

Michele

olive

01-30-2016, 07:20 PM

It's easier not to know who she is today than it was back then.

Michele

she wasn't a household name even then I knew people who did not know her

olive

01-30-2016, 07:30 PM

[QUOTE I think if I was Dave Stewart I would have known a little more about people who were making the music charts and magazine covers at the same time as I was.

Michele[/QUOTE]

but you're not and he didn't ;)

elle

01-30-2016, 10:18 PM

I may have heard their music and have heard their names, but I didn't know what any of them looked like until 1979. BUT I did know the names and faces of my peers, people that I was in school with. I think if I was Dave Stewart I would have known a little more about people who were making the music charts and magazine covers at the same time as I was.

Michele

i know what you are saying about peers but i guess it's a more co-localized community... when was this encounter happening? 80s some time? Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart / Eurythmics were huge and unavoidable in Europe at the time. i've noticed when Stewart first starting working on SN's album some people here had no clue who he was which was completely shocking to me, and so i understand they were never as huge here. guess the situation was reversed with SN - huge here and nobody knew who she was over there. did she know who Dave Stewart was at the time of that encounter? so, maybe it goes both ways and both were stunned to be unknown to the other?

michelej1

01-30-2016, 11:30 PM

but you're not and he didn't ;)

I don't believe he didn't.

Michele

michelej1

01-30-2016, 11:37 PM

i know what you are saying about peers but i guess it's a more co-localized community... when was this encounter happening? 80s some time? Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart / Eurythmics were huge and unavoidable in Europe at the time.

They were very big here as well. And their music videos got a lot of airplay. Although you might not have known Dave's name because he was in the background, but his face was pretty recognizable. Annie was the prominent one.

As far as people not knowing him today, not knowing people NOW is different than not knowing them in their heyday. With the live musical coming up, I was talking about Grease at work with people who are in their twenties and they don't know who Olivia Newton John is. Well, I can understand that today for sure. But in 1980 I would have found it hard to believe that let's say a popular actor or singer wouldn't have known who Olivia Newton John is.

Also, there are a lot of people that I knew about in the past that I've forgotten about today. I knew who the Thompson Twins were once. I don't have a clue today. So, I can understand someone totally not knowing who Stevie is now, young or old. I just can't understand a peer in their heyday not knowing them then.

Michele

olive

01-31-2016, 09:27 AM

you need to really care who celebrities are

My husband's cousin is a a famous actor he has no clue to half the actors out there , he doesn't care , my husband's family are in the entertainment industry, as he said to me you hear names but you have no idea who they are , a good friend told me this morning he had a dinner meeting with a huge reality star who always in the news who is going to be a spokes person for his company I have no idea who she is .

I really comes down to spending time following who's in who's hot who's hip who's now and a lot of people don't care

and i wouldn't be able to pick Bruce Springsteen out of a line up

secondhandchain

02-01-2016, 01:39 AM

Just because he didn't know who she was when he saw her doesn't mean he didn't know of her. Might not have recognized her or known what she looked like, but I'm sure he would have her of her. I've seen people I know a few years later and not known who they were.

Missy

02-02-2016, 09:10 AM

I know about a music journalist who met her at a party in 1977. He'd asked a 'very pretty girl' for a dance and a friend informed him afterwards that it was Stevie Nicks of Fleeteood Mac and he was 'stunned'. He went back to try and find her but she had left...

He definitely knew who FM was. He was already scheduled to interview Stevie towards the end of his US trip and was looking forward to it as a 'big exclusive'.

Maybe she is a bit different in person because she is probably smaller than people expect and she doesn't always have all that stagecraft.

When he went to interview her I suppose a few weeks later she asked him 'Don't I know you from somewhere?' lol.

Lee

02-02-2016, 03:15 PM

Missy

02-02-2016, 08:59 PM

Like I just read this excerpt on StevieNicksInfo - Facebook. Am I behind the times or what? I had no idea that she slept with Dave Stewart. Yeah & she swears she never slept with Tom Petty, but I really wonder now. :shrug: Was Dave still with Annie @ the time?

Lee :)

They both seem to have gone on record admitting this happened, a long time ago.

He and Annie had already broken up when he met Stevie. You could compare to Dave and Annie's situation to Lindsey and Stevie's. A couple who had broken up but still in a successful band together. That is perhaps something that they had in common - as well as both being very messed up.

Dave Stewart has been married to Anoushka Fisz since 2001 and has two young daughters. He and Stevie are just friends now.

I'm debating whether to get this book. I liked the Eurythmics a lot in the 1980s and it sounds like quite a read...

SpyNote

02-08-2016, 12:18 AM

i think for sure she's sensitive about "outing" other people... she always says she'll write her book after everyone's "so old they won't care anymore" and recently said all her old beaus etc are "on their 3rd wives" which wasn't clear-- does she think the wives will care?? Who knows.

When 24k came out she talked openly about which songs were about Mick because she laughed "he doesn't care" and he had already let it out himself.

Same with Dave-- he outed himself. But he asked her first.

I think Stevie looks out for the girls, so to speak. Men usually kiss and tell, so I think it's the women she's trying to protect. I mean we haven't heard many women come forward bad-mouthing Stevie about all the men she's been with, and I doubt it's because they've signed nondisclosure agreements.

SpyNote

02-08-2016, 12:33 AM

Like I just read this excerpt on StevieNicksInfo - Facebook. Am I behind the times or what? I had no idea that she slept with Dave Stewart. Yeah & she swears she never slept with Tom Petty, but I really wonder now. :shrug: Was Dave still with Annie @ the time?

Lee :)

They did share the story years ago, but the details were vague. The book really spells it out.

Like Stevie and Lindsey, Annie and Dave weren't together that long, 4 years, from 1976 to 1980. But from what I've read, their relationship has always been turbulent. That's probably why Stevie and Dave get along so well. They are both intensely connected to people that they don't actually see that often anymore. For good reason!

nicole21290

02-08-2016, 12:51 PM

Ahem.

http://buckinghamnicksinfo.tumblr.com/post/138934269816/chapter-22-of-sweet-dreams-1-of-2
http://buckinghamnicksinfo.tumblr.com/post/138934461851/chapter-22-of-sweet-dreams-2-of-2

Danielle

02-08-2016, 01:31 PM

Ahem.

http://buckinghamnicksinfo.tumblr.com/post/138934269816/chapter-22-of-sweet-dreams-1-of-2
http://buckinghamnicksinfo.tumblr.com/post/138934461851/chapter-22-of-sweet-dreams-2-of-2

Thank you so much, Nicole! :angel:

RavenOfRhiannon

02-09-2016, 09:46 AM

I want the Stevie Nicks font

welcomechris

02-09-2016, 02:21 PM

WOW "in our short time together, we made over 40 songs"

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Newzchspy

02-09-2016, 04:20 PM

I think Stevie looks out for the girls, so to speak. Men usually kiss and tell, so I think it's the women she's trying to protect. I mean we haven't heard many women come forward bad-mouthing Stevie about all the men she's been with, and I doubt it's because they've signed nondisclosure agreements.

@spynote What??? and violate the guy code??? That would be duplicitous!!

Stevie is "Old Skool" classy and would never intentionally hurt another in a Kiss n Tell tome. This is why she is waiting till near everyone is too dead or senile to know or remember.

"Daniel is traveling tonight on a plane." :):)

Newzchspy

02-09-2016, 04:23 PM

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Oh lordy, Stevie will bag just about anything.................................Yikes!!!

olive

02-09-2016, 05:29 PM

obviously she's not hung up on looks good for her !

Missy

02-09-2016, 10:18 PM

Some of these relationships were clearly ill advised and I do not condone cheating. If a guy dates a lot of partners though he is called a stud. If a woman does the same she is called a lot worse. It's as if we think guys just can't help themselves and so they are forgiven more easily. I don't think it's always fair. Most of these relationships seemed to mean something to Stevie (even with Dave it's turned into something creatively meaningful) but it was very difficult for them to work and I think she was often disappointed.

It seems like she had a tendency at her lowest points to have totally inappropriate relationships that only gave her more heartache and now she's sworn off them entirely. I think so has Christine.

The 80s had good moments for Stevie's solo career but often when I look at films of her 1983-6 I don't think she is feeling great about herself or confident. She has it back now with a bit more wisdom fortunately.

Annie was a very striking woman. Dave just ordinary and had no real charisma but they made some great music. This is nerdy of me but when I read musician biographies I often become more interested in their music creation process than the scandals and gossip.

I am still surprised about Stevie and Dave. I guess they are both eccentrics but otherwise seem so different with their backgrounds. But there's probably a lot I don't know about Dave because he seemed so quiet. He's a genius in his own way though so I think I will read his book :p

bombaysaffires

02-09-2016, 11:17 PM

well but here's a more accurate look at them at the time:

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Missy

02-10-2016, 07:06 AM

Nice picture. Dave Stewart must have something going for him. He has dated some very attractive and impressive women. There was Annie and also Siobhan Fahey. She looks a bit scary these days but was cute when younger. I think though to be taken more seriously sbe tried to change her image. Before she was with Dave she was in a very successful group. She didn't marry him for money or fame because she already had that.

Newzchspy

02-10-2016, 06:21 PM

michelej1

02-12-2016, 02:11 AM

[From a Dave Stewart interview]

Boston Globe By Sarah Rodman Globe Staff February 09, 2016

https://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/2016/02/09/eurythmics-dave-stewart-recalls-sweet-dreams-his-long-career/6KLEwqm5aMdm1sbUf9WWDP/story.html

Q. Did you talk to any of the main players in the book — particularly the women with whom you were romantically linked, like Annie and Stevie Nicks — about what you were writing?

A. [My wife] Anoushka is the only one who hasn’t read it yet, and it’s funny because the book’s dedicated to her. I sent Annie a draft and [ex-wife] Siobhan, and said “I’m going to write this book and this is the part about you.”

Q. And everybody was fine with it?

A. Well, I didn’t ask everybody. (Laughs.) That would’ve took more time than writing the book, I think.

michelej1

02-12-2016, 02:25 AM

[Excerpt from the Daily Beast] MUSIC MAN 02.10.16 9:01 PM ET

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/11/dave-stewart-lsd-annie-lennox-and-me.html#/articles/2016/02/11/dave-stewart-lsd-annie-lennox-and-me.html

TDB: You write very sweetly about having sex with Stevie Nicks [who supplies a lovely quote on the back of Stewart’s book about him being her “hero,” and helping make 2010, when they made her record, In Your Dreams, the best year of her life].

DS: Yeah, I didn’t realize who she was right at the beginning that night. She’s great, we’re close friends. People think she’s a space cadet. But she’s not. She is on it.

michelej1

02-13-2016, 10:51 PM

The Guardian 2/13/2016 by Jim Faber

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/feb/13/dave-stewart-interview-annie-lennox-eurythmics-sweet-dreams-are-made-of-this

Stewart befriended Jimmy Iovine, who connected him to a wealth of stars. Iovine was producing the band Lone Justice, when singer Maria McKee played Stewart a song the company rejected, A Good Heart. Stewart promptly produced it for Feargal Sharkey and it went to No 1.

“She was, like, ‘Bloody hell,’” Stewart recalls.

Another vexing switch happened with Tom Petty and Stevie Nicks. Stewart had written most of Don’t Come Around Here (No More) and Nicks wanted to cover it on an album that her boyfriend, Iovine, was producing.

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But she was deep into drugs at the time and had trouble nailing it. So Iovine gave it to Petty who made it a smash.

Stevie “was like ‘What the ****?’” Stewart said. “She blamed Jimmy.”

To complicate matters, Stewart reports that a coked-up Nicks invited him to her house one night, snuck into his bed and seduced him. The truth came out to Iovine, who seemed less than concerned. They all stayed friends.

olive

02-16-2016, 09:24 AM

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Newzchspy

02-17-2016, 05:39 PM

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Awesome photo, looks like they are staring into emptiness until nothing came along :):)

Missy

03-03-2016, 02:15 AM

Well I'm reading this book though still a way to go before I get to the part about Stevie. Not a bad book. He describes always being quite offbeat and eccentric, from the time of his childhood. He's a bit younger than Stevie but became involved in music quite early, so there are some interesting people and stories.

He even describes meeting Marc Bolan when he was still doing acoustic music. I was once a huge Marc Bolan fan and have often thought there were similarities between him and Stevie. In his early days he sang strange songs with obscure lyrics about mythical creatures in a very distinctive vibrato.

Because he was so small, he often wore high heels, a top hat, a colorful boa like a shawl, and had big hair. I used to think that's where Stevie got some of her style from. But Bolan died in 1977 and I don't think he was very well known in America. So it might all be just a coincidence.

Dave always struck me as a quiet sort of guy. Strange but not a wild type of rock n roll performer. I guess I got that wrong! In part of the book he writes about Annie:

I was just so thankful that I had a partner who was so attractive, inventive and highly photogenic. I'm not a conventionally handsome-looking guy at all, and at the time, I usually looked as if I'd just seen a ghost, with out-of-control hair and a messy beard.

Annie and Stevie were both attractive and had eccentricities (which I don't mind at all). But otherwise, even though I respect them both, I think they were quite different. Stevie is very soft and feminine, whereas Annie Lennox was quite androgynous in style. Eurythmics had some good songs but many of them very electronic, and that's another opposite to Fleetwood Mac or Stevie.

So it was a surprise to me that Dave has been working with Stevie. But maybe he's a nice guy and a bit easier to get along with than Lindsey.

I remember seeing this clip in 1985. Dave is speaking from the 40 second mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPm5ehTOFq0

Macfan4life

03-03-2016, 06:10 AM

Wow, thanks for sharing that amazing photo. They both are so young. The bed has a typewriter with a dog on it? Its really bizarre :eek: But so freaking cool !

Newzchspy

03-09-2016, 12:41 PM

MikeInNV

03-09-2016, 09:19 PM

What I find interesting about this memoir and Dave's apparent success with "others" as a hitmaker is that NOTHING he has done with Stevie has been a hit or turned to Gold, 24K or other. IMHO, no one can produce Stevie like Lindsey (with FM) or Waddy (as a solo artist). No ONE!! Some guys just have the touch with Stevie and Dave doesnt seem to have it .

I'm not saying Dave is the perfect fit for Stevie, but some of that is purely a matter of timing. Had Dave worked with her in 1982, they would have churned out bigger hits than Lindsey could have in 2011.

Missy

03-15-2016, 01:39 AM

Stevie hasn't had a big commercial hit in a long time but I don't suppose she really has to worry about that. She is a wealthy woman and still seems to be part of pop lexicon because many of the top younger performers today cite her as an inspiration. She has a classic catalog and can still sell tickets.

I suppose that Stevie's main influences were country and folk music as she was growing up, whereas the two main influences for The Eurythmics were electronic and soul music. Weird combination but that was their signature: 'electronic textures with a soulful voice on top', though Dave later branched out into other areas like blues.

I've read through Dave and Annie's relationship and breakup. In some ways it sounds a similar situation to Lindsey and Stevie's but in other ways very different.

Dave describes his relationship with Annie as being very close, best friends, together all the time but in the end that started becoming stifling and smothering to them both, so they decided to split as a couple but continued as music partners even though they hadn't hit mainstream success yet.

In contrast to Stevie and Lindsey, he describes the breakup itself as quite civil and claims that during the course of their relationship, they did not argue once. He also credits her with helping him to get off hard drugs during this period. But I suppose when they became successful there was a relapse.

There is more similarity to Stevie and Lindsey when he writes: 'It's not easy, this transition from lovers to something else. How do you break up with someone when you are still together? We both agreed we could do this, but we didn't realize the real magnitude of stress this would create.'

I think I mentioned that I often like these biographies more for the descriptions of the creative process than the personal gossip! Apparently 'Sweet Dreams' their biggest hit was put together in a matter of hours from beat, tune to lyrics. (Often seems that way with songs that end up as classics!)

Annie had studied at the Royal Academy of Music in London so she likely had much more technical knowledge of music than Stevie. It seems like Stevie is a very intuitive songwriter who can come up with the bare structure of a song, and then Lindsey was able to complete it for her but that made her somewhat reliant on him. As Christine has said, Lindsey was always able to understand Stevie's often quite abstract musical ideas the best.

Both music duos obviously had their own 'chemistry' but some different dynamics. I think Dave was quite happy to take a secondary role in public and let Annie be out at the front, while he did his own thing behind the scenes. That was something that Lindsey seemed to resent with Stevie.

I don't think I've hit though the most dramatic moments in this book yet. I've seen rumors that Annie and Dave are very estranged these days. I don't know why but hopefully they are both happy now in their own lives.

Newzchspy

03-15-2016, 03:19 PM

I'm not saying Dave is the perfect fit for Stevie, but some of that is purely a matter of timing. Had Dave worked with her in 1982, they would have churned out bigger hits than Lindsey could have in 2011.

How so?? You're telling me that BD and all others forward would have been hits with Dave S at the helm. I seriously doubt it. Her best of her BEST work has been with the likes of Jimmy Iovine, Tom Petty, Benmont, Waddy and of course Lindsey. Her records from 2011 ON have, quite frankly, been pretty dismal compared to what she's been putting out since 1975. Even TISL (and Say You Will FM) are "great" compared to her latest works, IYD and 24K. I don't think that Glen Ballard and Dave S really "get" Stevie like Lindsey and others do.

Newzchspy

03-15-2016, 03:38 PM

]Stevie hasn't had a big commercial hit in a long time but I don't suppose she really has to worry about tha[/B]t. She is a wealthy woman and still seems to be part of pop lexicon because many of the top younger performers today cite her as an inspiration. She has a classic catalog and can still sell tickets.

I suppose that Stevie's main influences were country and folk music as she was growing up, whereas the two main influences for The Eurythmics were electronic and soul music. Weird combination but that was their signature: 'electronic textures with a soulful voice on top', though Dave later branched out into other areas like blues.

I've read through Dave and Annie's relationship and breakup. In some ways it sounds a similar situation to Lindsey and Stevie's but in other ways very different.

Dave describes his relationship with Annie as being very close, best friends, together all the time but in the end that started becoming stifling and smothering to them both, so they decided to split as a couple but continued as music partners even though they hadn't hit mainstream success yet.

In contrast to Stevie and Lindsey, he describes the breakup itself as quite civil and claims that during the course of their relationship, they did not argue once. He also credits her with helping him to get off hard drugs during this period. But I suppose when they became successful there was a relapse.

There is more similarity to Stevie and Lindsey when he writes: 'It's not easy, this transition from lovers to something else. How do you break up with someone when you are still together? We both agreed we could do this, but we didn't realize the real magnitude of stress this would create.'

I think I mentioned that I often like these biographies more for the descriptions of the creative process than the personal gossip! Apparently 'Sweet Dreams' their biggest hit was put together in a matter of hours from beat, tune to lyrics. (Often seems that way with songs that end up as classics!)

Annie had studied at the Royal Academy of Music in London so she likely had much more technical knowledge of music than Stevie. It seems like Stevie is a very intuitive songwriter who can come up with the bare structure of a song, and then Lindsey was able to complete it for her but that made her somewhat reliant on him. As Christine has said, Lindsey was always able to understand Stevie's often quite abstract musical ideas the best.

Both music duos obviously had their own 'chemistry' but some different dynamics. I think Dave was quite happy to take a secondary role in public and let Annie be out at the front, while he did his own thing behind the scenes. That was something that Lindsey seemed to resent with Stevie.

I don't think I've hit though the most dramatic moments in this book yet. I've seen rumors that Annie and Dave are very estranged these days. I don't know why but hopefully they are both happy now in their own lives.

Excellent analysis @Missy , however Stevie is a great "canvas" who needs just the right painter to finish her off. Dave S is not that man. John Shanks did a much better job with TISL than Dave ever did with IYD. Its just a more listenable album. Look at teh list of musicians for TISL and you'll see a who's who of great talent. Again, IYD just didnt have it (Benmont showed once IIRC). IIRC, Stevie has firred producers in the past (during TISL IIRC again) and for her it paid off. Dave S, other than being a "hanger on" has done nothing to create the hit-maker that is indeed Stevie and all her writings. It takes a special producer to do that and Glen Ballard should stick to Alanis and Dave to Annie. Being a great musician does NOT a great producer make.

NOW, does Stevie care about the results of the albums?? Sure she does and here's why: Future contracts and a LOT of EGO. Who wants to put out an album that no one (literally buys). That's pretty much what happened with IYD (less than 200,000 sold) and 24K Vault (barely cracked 100,000 copies).

mitzo

03-15-2016, 04:34 PM

MikeInNV

03-15-2016, 08:06 PM

How so?? You're telling me that BD and all others forward would have been hits with Dave S at the helm. I seriously doubt it. Her best of her BEST work has been with the likes of Jimmy Iovine, Tom Petty, Benmont, Waddy and of course Lindsey. Her records from 2011 ON have, quite frankly, been pretty dismal compared to what she's been putting out since 1975. Even TISL (and Say You Will FM) are "great" compared to her latest works, IYD and 24K. I don't think that Glen Ballard and Dave S really "get" Stevie like Lindsey and others do.

We will never know whether Dave would have been a better choice of producer etc. than those guys, in terms of albums sold.. But if by "best" you mean better music better suited to Stevie's vibe and voice, then I say Dave wins hands down over Iovine and Petty and is second only to Lindsey for creative genius with her material.

I wasn't commenting that Dave is the best producer for Stevie. Obviously that's a matter of personal opinion. I was just responding to your post that Dave has not given Stevie a hit or a gold record. My point was that no one, even Lindsey, was going to do that for her in 2011 no matter how good the results. She's pushing 70 in a youth-oriented business; she's a legacy act just like FM, and radio is not looking for that. In contrast, in the early 80s she was the hottest member of the hottest band, and even a lesser producer stood a pretty good shot of scoring a hit because so many people were waiting for it.

Missy

03-15-2016, 11:09 PM

Dave Stewart seems like a natural collaborator, and he prefers a relaxed, no pressure, playful sort of environment. That was apparently a new thing for Stevie.

From their early days Dave writes that he and Annie were able to do nearly all their own production work themselves, with their own equipment, and that was the way they preferred it. Just doing what they wanted to do with no orders from anyone else. He also always had a strong interest in filming videos, as he did with Stevie.

No denying that Nicks and Buckingham appear to bring the best out in each other creatively, but at times it was extremely difficult and painful for them to go through. Lindsey is obviously a very high strung, intense kind of guy. Maybe he has mellowed a bit over the years but never will entirely. Hey though he's a genius, and he and Stevie will always have some connection.

At this time in her life however perhaps Stevie no longer wants to go through all that angst again. And I don't think that you need to go through a lot of pain and drama to create a good piece of work all the time. You shouldn't have to, anyway. (I think however it can help to do something a bit outside the comfort zone or outside of the box. If you don't sometimes you can get stagnant.)

One thing I do strongly agree with Dave about and I thought he summed up well (all the producers of today should wake up to it!):

People want to hear and feel the emotion in the human voice, and for me that's the most important thing to get right. There came a point in music when you could have forty-eight tracks, then seventy-two tracks or so, and just create a giant wall of music. And not a good wall of sound, like Phil Spector's - which was crafted always around the singer - but just a big wall with no dynamics that would overcome the voice. I believed in following the voice on its journey, and that's still my thing. The success of Adele is no surprise, as everything is built around her voice.

lilyfee

03-16-2016, 12:16 PM

People want to hear and feel the emotion in the human voice, and for me that's the most important thing to get right. There came a point in music when you could have forty-eight tracks, then seventy-two tracks or so, and just create a giant wall of music. And not a good wall of sound, like Phil Spector's - which was crafted always around the singer - but just a big wall with no dynamics that would overcome the voice. I believed in following the voice on its journey, and that's still my thing. The success of Adele is no surprise, as everything is built around her voice.

This is definitely true but I have trouble seeing where he has done this for Stevie. Pre-Dave her voice had that beautiful human fragility but lately it just seems overproduced to me.:shrug:

Missy

03-17-2016, 12:01 AM

This is definitely true but I have trouble seeing where he has done this for Stevie. Pre-Dave her voice had that beautiful human fragility but lately it just seems overproduced to me.:shrug:

Yes it's a shame (after hearing her live last year I thought she should sound better on her recordings). One of their more critical reviews says 'Dating back to his tenure with the Eurythmics, Stewart has proven himself to be one of pop music's most progressive, fearless producers, which would make him a perfect choice to work with an icon like Nicks on her first solo album in 10 years. But he's rarely sounded so conservative at the mixing board as he does on In Your Dreams.'

He might be easier to work with than Lindsey and perhaps Stevie herself was quite happy with the results. After all her other contributions over the years, she perhaps has the right to do something just for herself and have a fun experience.

I'm in Australia looking at the current debacle unfolding with Madonna, who is 10 years younger than Stevie. She appears to still be so desperate to appear youthful and relevant. Stevie still takes care of her appearance but I'm grateful that she is not going down that path at any cost.

One thing I liked about The Eurythmics is that the sound mixes were not too cluttered even though they were electronic. They kept that going for several albums. There was so much other music of that era that was ruined because it was overproduced. Suddenly the engineers had multiple tracks and full range of digital effects at their disposal, and they went crazy with it. Sometimes they still do. But in recent years I think it's something they've managed to do better with artists like Adele.

I haven't been such a big fan of Dave's work with others though like Tom Petty. I'm just not a Tom Petty fan. I have nothing against him, just not my taste - which probably seems weird for a Stevie fan.

Damn Lindsey lol. Stevie has other great guitar players she can perform with. But somehow it never seems the same as with Lindsey. It's probably easier for her and it's still good but not quite the same dynamic as between those two.

As for this book... it's an interesting read though I get the feeling some things are downplayed. Some things also seem to contradict what I've heard about before. In one Stevie biography, it's stated that they were both doing cocaine together when they had their 'encounter'. In the book Stewart makes no mention of himself doing drugs when this all happened.

There was plenty of dabbling in drugs before The Eurythmics. Then nothing mentioned again until 1994 when he tried some MDMA when 'At that point, I hadn't taken drugs for a very long time' and it made him ill so it wasn't something he repeated.

His personal and musical partnership with Annie was perhaps also rockier than he describes. There's a vague mention of 'jealousy' becoming a factor after awhile but never really fully described. This is admittedly a tabloid article but back in the day, Annie was supposed to possess a fierce temper and they both admitted having rows. I would probably need to read something else to get the full story.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384626/How-pops-toxic-love-affair-cast-shadow-SIX-marriages-Have-Eurythmics-Annie-Lennox-Dave-Stewart-finally-got-systems.html

wheart

03-17-2016, 11:26 AM

This is definitely true but I have trouble seeing where he has done this for Stevie. Pre-Dave her voice had that beautiful human fragility but lately it just seems overproduced to me.:shrug:

IYD and 24K may not be perfect records but Stevie's voice and her vocal performances are far superior to those on SYW and TISL. Her voice on those records was nasal, monotone and uninspired. Her voice will never be as it once was but it's a hell of a lot better with Dave (Stewart & Grohl) than it's been in a while.

Missy

03-17-2016, 10:34 PM

I still like this song and the clip (though it's weird) which Dave was very involved in the filming of. This was when music videos were still quite a new thing in 1983.

Stevie apparently watched all these clips and told Dave she was not going to cut her hair off short like Annie! Obviously not. I think they are both great, but very different people and artists.

I read that when MTV first showed this clip, they took it off air halfway through, at the part where Annie pulls off her wig and transforms from a high class hooker into a man. They then demanded birth certificate proof that she really was a woman!:shocked:

When they achieved some success in America they started going a bit more rock n roll and Annie became a bit less ambiguous. But for awhile I don't think people quite knew how to react to her.

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wheart

03-18-2016, 11:02 AM

Missy

04-06-2016, 04:36 AM

I love this video and this song! Yes, back in the day Annie Lennox was quite shocking

I have been away for a bit, caught up in some other matter, but anyhow...

What Annie did was extremely confrontational for its time! But it wasn't just a mere 'shock gimmick' like some of them do nowadays. They had the goods to back it up and there was usually a genuine artistic purpose behind it.

But yes, Annie could be very confusing. They once recorded with Aretha Franklin and apparently Aretha didn't know what to make of Annie. She thought 'Sisters Are Doin It For Themselves' could have some other kind of meaning lol. So Dave had to explain to her that Annie was not gay and it was just a feminist song.

Anyway, once they were singing together, it was all going okay because Aretha could hear that Annie had the pipes.

I don't know if that sort of song would come out today. I am totally with Stevie when she says "We fought very hard for feminism, for women's rights. What I'm seeing today is a very opposite thing. I don't know why, but I see women being put back in their place. And I hate it. We're losing all we worked so hard for, and it really bums me out."

Sadly I think that some born after the feminist era and are now in a post-feminist environment, they take some of the equalities for granted and don't realize, how hard it had to be fought for and how easily it could all be taken away again.

But now the feminist cause seems to be gaining new momentum. There has been the issue with Kesha and Taylor Swift's stand against Kanye. Part of me suspects, this is just another fad but I hope sooner or later they wake up.

I find the way that Stevie and Annie assert their own female identities very interesting, though quite different to each other.

Vanessa Carton once said 'Stevie understands how much power there is in the feminine, and she's not afraid of it.' There is also this observation by Mike Campbell 'Stevie is strong-willed, and at the same time she's vulnerable and fragile. And that's a really great combination.'

And then you had someone like Annie who came along and broke all the rules, stereotypes and definitions! But each to their own - however they chose to define themselves, both remarkable women.

Annie in drag during the 'Who's That Girl' video.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.imvdb.com/video/926609726754-eurythmics-whos-that-girl_music_video_ov.jpg

Infamous Grammys performance 1984. Copied later by Gaga.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzpZJ05BfHI

There are some more observations in the book about how being former partners had an effect on how they created their music. I might get back to that later. But yeh Dave and Annie are often described as the UK equivalent to Lindsey and Stevie with their personal arrangement. I'm rediscovering the Eurythmics while reading this book. I was very young when their hits were in the charts... a lot of the songs have a different sort of meaning to me now.

bombaysaffires

04-07-2016, 12:24 AM

I don't know if that sort of song would come out today. I am totally with Stevie when she says "We fought very hard for feminism, for women's rights. What I'm seeing today is a very opposite thing. I don't know why, but I see women being put back in their place. And I hate it. We're losing all we worked so hard for, and it really bums me out."

Sadly I think that some born after the feminist era and are now in a post-feminist environment, they take some of the equalities for granted and don't realize, how hard it had to be fought for and how easily it could all be taken away again.

But now the feminist cause seems to be gaining new momentum. There has been the issue with Kesha and Taylor Swift's stand against Kanye. Part of me suspects, this is just another fad but I hope sooner or later they wake up.

I find the way that Stevie and Annie assert their own female identities very interesting, though quite different to each other.

Vanessa Carton once said 'Stevie understands how much power there is in the feminine, and she's not afraid of it.' There is also this observation by Mike Campbell 'Stevie is strong-willed, and at the same time she's vulnerable and fragile. And that's a really great combination.'

And then you had someone like Annie who came along and broke all the rules, stereotypes and definitions! But each to their own - however they chose to define themselves, both remarkable women.

yes but Stevie herself has evolved on this issue. In the beginning she talked about having to play all feminine and coy around the guys in the business, about being "quiet and feminine and trick them to death" and how when she was around the Eagles they couldn't take her talking about FM "at all" and so she just wouldn't talk about it around them.... I highly doubt she'd be that submissive now. She's far more willing now to be outspoken and state what she wants and doesn't want without worrying about whether it somehow makes her less feminine than she was then. Clearly she has made her mark now and speaks from the perspective of a woman who has become legendary in her field, as opposed to when she was just starting out.

Feather Blade

04-07-2016, 12:01 PM

yes but Stevie herself has evolved on this issue. In the beginning she talked about having to play all feminine and coy around the guys in the business, about being "quiet and feminine and trick them to death" and how when she was around the Eagles they couldn't take her talking about FM "at all" and so she just wouldn't talk about it around them.... I highly doubt she'd be that submissive now. She's far more willing now to be outspoken and state what she wants and doesn't want without worrying about whether it somehow makes her less feminine than she was then. Clearly she has made her mark now and speaks from the perspective of a woman who has become legendary in her field, as opposed to when she was just starting out.

Or perhaps just from the perspective of an older person who realizes that life is short and it isn't worth worrying about the same things that you might have spent time and energy worrying/thinking about as a younger person.

Missy

04-08-2016, 03:22 AM

Oh yes Stevie can be very outspoken these days. It is true sometimes it just worries you less as you get older. But I think also when you have had to go through major rehab, you need to try and let go of a lot of the bulls***. And just be who you are. It can be a very transforming experience.

Sorry if everyone has perhaps seen this already, but came across this video. What is freaking me out a little is a skull on the piano! And are those her real shoes? I could not walk in those, let alone try and twirl!

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olive

04-08-2016, 06:23 AM

she needs a new Uniform .

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michelej1

04-13-2016, 12:09 AM

[from a Dave Stewart interview with radio.com]

http://radio.com/2016/04/12/dave-stewart-on-working-with-superstars-and-the-value-of-fun/

Speaking of Be Yourself Tonight, in the book you describe collaborating with both Stevie Wonder and Aretha Franklin on that album, and you’ve collaborated with lots of huge artists over the course of your career. Stevie Nicks says she’s never written with someone in the way that she’s written with you, and in the book, Mick Jagger says that you take the angst out of recording. What is it about your personality that you’re able to create environment where talented people can relax a bit and work together?

I think Mick says in the forward that my main number one priority is, “Is it gonna be fun?” I’ve got this sort of “life’s too short” attitude. We’re just having fun, like kids in a playpen, and “Oops!” out pops a song.

I said to Stevie Nicks, “Hey, look, if we don’t like it, we just throw it away. Nobody will ever hear it.” So it kind of takes away a lot of the tension for the artists. Just like anybody in a job, they gotta hand in their papers, or if you’re at college, you do the exam. Basically, people are expecting to hear a cohesive song or an album or a video or something, and you’re expected to deliver it.

Well, the more successful you get, the higher the expectations are. Even though they’re brilliant, most artists are very insecure. So how do I handle that?

Well, the best way is to say “Let’s do stuff, but not worry whether it comes out or not or whether it’s the right one or not. Let’s just do stuff for now.” And you can see them react like, “Phew! Okay, let’s play,” and it’s suddenly back to the way they remembered it when they first started.

Newzchspy

04-13-2016, 03:42 PM

This is definitely true but I have trouble seeing where he has done this for Stevie. Pre-Dave her voice had that beautiful human fragility but lately it just seems overproduced to me.:shrug:

Bingo,^ ^ ^ , Dave S production seems to have lost the "voice' and is more focused on the music, rather than the genius that is Stevie in her own right. Lindsey, despite the angst of them together, seems to have a "feel" for Stevie and can incorporate the music into her lyrics, rather than vice versa. Stevie has this magic about her , like a seasoned poet, and all it takes is the talent of a musician like Lindsey to incorporate those "poems" or stories into a song. The Dave S method may be "relaxing" for Stevie, BUT so is getting a nice massage. I'd rather have a lil tension and better music that Lindsey and Stevie do together. I also firmly believe that Mick's drumming has a good feel for Stevie as well. Its just not there with Dave S production.

Newzchspy

04-13-2016, 03:47 PM

michelej1

04-14-2016, 10:15 PM

^Well, for sure Cheaper Than Free sounds like exactly what he described, which you bolded:

We’re just having fun, like kids in a playpen, and “Oops!” out pops a song.

Newzchspy

04-15-2016, 12:37 PM

^Well, for sure Cheaper Than Free sounds like exactly what he described, which you bolded:

Interestingly, that is one of her most "disliked" songs....................

She needs to quit playin and get out of the sandbox or playpen and get back into the studio with FM or Lindzers!! This whole Dave S stuff will soon be a distant memory.............

olive

04-15-2016, 01:12 PM

Interestingly, that is one of her most "disliked" songs....................

She needs to quit playin and get out of the sandbox or playpen and get back into the studio with FM or Lindzers!! This whole Dave S stuff will soon be a distant memory.............

YEAH ! she needs to make landslide 2 ......... ( for the record i threw up a bit in my mouth as i typed that )

Newzchspy

04-15-2016, 03:28 PM

YEAH ! she needs to make landslide 2 ......... ( for the record i threw up a bit in my mouth as i typed that )

Or at least BD II?? :vomit:

Seriously, since working with Dave S. which of her albums have been a success??

olive

04-15-2016, 03:53 PM

Or at least BD II?? :vomit:

Seriously, since working with Dave S. which of her albums have been a success??
Define success.
She is not a mega selling artist, and will not be ,she has a niche audience.

And the majority of CD/record/digital buyer teen girls and young gay men don't care for or know her . I like her new stuff with the exception of a few songs like ghosts are gone ,Maebel Norman .. She is creating not trying to duplicate ,she is evolving and changing. She is not in the place you want her to be writing for you . she is finally growing .

Newzchspy

04-15-2016, 04:54 PM

Define success.
She is not a mega selling artist, and will not be ,she has a niche audience.

And the majority of CD/record/digital buyer teen girls and young gay men don't care for or know her . I like her new stuff with the exception of a few songs like ghosts are gone ,Maebel Norman .. She is creating not trying to duplicate ,she is evolving and changing. She is not in the place you want her to be writing for you . she is finally growing .

This isn't personal to me Olive, its just IMHO. I haven't gotten excited about anything Stevie since 2009 or so, BUT again that's just me. This coming from a guy who grew up loving Stevie, LB, FM and her music. Saw her as a young lad at the Philly Spectrum in July 76 with Firefall before many of you were born or hatched :) There was magic in the hall and has been since that time. To me, it seems like the magic is falling flat lately. Perhaps she's now turning into the Good Witch :):)

olive

04-15-2016, 05:36 PM

This isn't personal to me Olive, its just IMHO. I haven't gotten excited about anything Stevie since 2009 or so, BUT again that's just me. This coming from a guy who grew up loving Stevie, LB, FM and her music. Saw her as a young lad at the Philly Spectrum in July 76 with Firefall before many of you were born or hatched :) There was magic in the hall and has been since that time. To me, it seems like the magic is falling flat lately. Perhaps she's now turning into the Good Witch :):)

FYI. I bought a copy of Buckinghamnicks when it first came out

I find her shows stagnant, and uninspired ,she needs to shake it up
I have videos from different tours she is so robotic and the set list .... She has to hate " having" to do the same songs. She should grow a pair and add something like with the Enchanted tour and leave Rhiannon home

Newzchspy

04-18-2016, 03:41 PM

FYI. I bought a copy of Buckinghamnicks when it first came out

I find her shows stagnant, and uninspired ,she needs to shake it up
I have videos from different tours she is so robotic and the set list .... She has to hate " having" to do the same songs. She should grow a pair and add something like with the Enchanted tour and leave Rhiannon home

X2 this ^^^^, however her regular fans (not US) and promoters want to hear the "hits", like it or not. Can you imagine Stevie without Rhiannon or an Edge walk??? I can, BUT most can't!!

olive

04-18-2016, 04:41 PM

X2 this ^^^^, however her regular fans (not US) and promoters want to hear the "hits", like it or not. Can you imagine Stevie without Rhiannon or an Edge walk??? I can, BUT most can't!!

no they can't it's a shame her and others are confined to the same setlist with a couple of new songs each tour , I do admire Madonna for doing 1 tour no hits all new music and also doing as much new in tours after it , Dolly for doing a brief Medley of Hits to " get it out of the way " Tom Petty for the shows on Broadway with a different set list each night , and Trish Yearwood for just flat out telling an audience No when they shout out songs , and the other night Belinda Carlisle telling someone who was shouting out something she responded " I have so many songs and you want to hear that "

if Stevie can't overhaul that tired set , she need to give it it play smaller places for a$40 - $60 and just become a nostalgic oldies act , and be part of a summer package with STYX and FOGHAT

Newzchspy

04-18-2016, 04:54 PM

no they can't it's a shame her and others are confined to the same setlist with a couple of new songs each tour , I do admire Madonna for doing 1 tour no hits all new music and also doing as much new in tours after it , Dolly for doing a brief Medley of Hits to " get it out of the way " Tom Petty for the shows on Broadway with a different set list each night , and Trish Yearwood for just flat out telling an audience No when they shout out songs , and the other night Belinda Carlisle telling someone who was shouting out something she responded " I have so many songs and you want to hear that "

if Stevie can't overhaul that tired set , she need to give it it play smaller places for a$40 - $60 and just become a nostalgic oldies act , and be part of a summer package with STYX and FOGHAT

Seen a Dennis DeYoung show?? (The music of Styx). He's awesome for some 70 years old and can still belt it out, although he does love his HITS too!!

olive

04-18-2016, 05:01 PM

Seen a Dennis DeYoung show?? (The music of Styx). He's awesome for some 70 years old and can still belt it out, although he does love his HITS too!!

isn't the touring version of Styx made up of the 2 original members and replacements and Foghat the only original members is the 2nd drummer they had and all replacements

Newzchspy

04-18-2016, 05:19 PM

isn't the touring version of Styx made up of the 2 original members and replacements and Foghat the only original members is the 2nd drummer they had and all replacements

Styx (now) sux and the one and only original is going to see Dennis DeYoung do all the oldies and fan favs. Sorry, BUT he doesn't have enough new material to make a show, so we're stuck with the 70s and 80s stuff. AND, he's just a nice guy all around and very accessible to the tru fans who've stuck with him for 40 years now.

NOT to get off topic here, BUT when's the last time Stevie has been really accessible??? Meh, the 5th of Never?? I know several here have met her, as have I, BUT only because my cousin ran a Chicago radio station and I got to met her all alone in the studio during TISL and that was a LONG time ago.

Stevie really needs to get back in the studio with FM and /or Lindsey and create some "real music" that will only enhance the legend that she is........ This Dave S stuff feels like an anchor in creativity to me............DO as I say, NOT as I do!!

olive

04-18-2016, 05:37 PM

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when she was forced to be among the great unwashed at Barnes and Noble for a signing , and they were kept at a distance .

Newzchspy

04-18-2016, 06:00 PM

when she was forced to be among the great unwashed at Barnes and Noble for a signing , and they were kept at a distance .

Reminds me of the WTTW/PBS taping event in Chicago where there were maybe 2000 people and she was kept at a great distance as well, except when she came out the stage door and had to face the great unworthy :):)

I guess the ONLY ones in her inner circle these days are Dave S and the "Hollywood " hangers-on...................

michelej1

04-24-2016, 06:44 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-3551474/Annie-wonderful-s-tortured-Eurythmics-star-Dave-Stewart-Lennox-Jagger-waking-Fleetwood-Mac-s-Stevie-Nicks.html

ByAdrian Deevoy For Event Magazine Published: 17:02 EST, 23 April 2016 |

Stewart says of his musical other half Annie Lennox (pictured together, above): 'It’s a hard relationship to explain and, it’s a cliché, but we are the odd couple... It was strange from the start'

Nobody was more surprised than Dave Stewart, the bearded partner of Annie Lennox in the legendary Eurythmics, to wake up one morning in bed beside Stevie Nicks.

‘Me and Stevie had a “skirmish”,’ he says in his soft Sunderland brogue. In the spring of 1984 he had been invited to a party at the Fleetwood Mac singer’s Los Angeles home late one evening but became overwhelmed by tiredness and went in search of a boudoir.

In a scene straight out of a Carry On film, Stewart deposited his black leather stage outfit on the bedroom floor and slipped unknowingly between Stevie’s own satin sheets, only to be joined some time later by the Seventies sex symbol decked out in full Victorian attire. Skirmishing ensued.

‘Stevie reminded me about it when I was writing the book,’ he chuckles, referring to his new memoir, Sweet Dreams Are Made of This: A Life In Music. ‘She knew because she was so awake on cocaine. I was knackered, I’d just played a show in LA, I barely knew where I was. But she remembered.

‘I was just like this kid from Sunderland going, “Bloody hell, how did this happen?” Just like I did when I was sat in my kitchen in Crouch End with Bob Dylan, who was wearing a sombrero and drinking tequila.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-3551474/Annie-wonderful-s-tortured-Eurythmics-star-Dave-Stewart-Lennox-Jagger-waking-Fleetwood-Mac-s-Stevie-Nicks.html#ixzz46n4M729h
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Missy

04-28-2016, 09:06 AM

All the tension, conflict and drama seemed to help make Rumours a masterpiece, and something more than another MoR record. But do Stevie and Lindsey really want to go back there? The effects were quite bad enough the first time around.

Saddens me to say that. I don't want to think that you need a lot of pain and drama to make a good record. Ah well.

Stevie's work with Dave Stewart reminded me a little of the Traveling Wilburys sound, and it turned out in his book that Stewart was involved in the Wilburys also.

After The Eurythmics it seems that he wanted to go in a totally different direction musically, to separate himself from that unit and era. I get the feeling that Annie was the real lyricist in the group, and they had a good creative run together.

After 'Sweet Dreams' they ventured over to a much rockier sound, with occasional soul, on 'Be Yourself Tonight'. And then by 'Revenge' and 'Savage', the tone had changed yet again.

Dave Stewart describes Annie's vocal technique thus (being mainly Celtic myself, I can relate):

'Not only does Annie have a distinctive sound to her voice; she has another element that is soaked in emotion and moves people to tears. It's a mixture of the sound she makes with her voice and the fact that she comes from Aberdeen, Scotland, were the musical heritage it littered with haunting airs. It is hard to explain how such sadness and beauty can come from the melodies and chord changes in Scottish or Irish airs... It's something instinctive to Annie, and coming from the northeast of England myself, I easily relate. We both grew up where the sky was filled with varying shades of gray and where a freezing northern wind blew...'

Can't help but think of the contrast with Stevie, growing up in the bright and sunny climes of Arizona and California, immersed in folk and country music. The Eurythmics work could be very dark at times (though would often retain a positive note somewhere), and so was the band that featured his second wife Siobhan Fahey 'Shakespeare's Sister'.

But something Stevie could probably relate to with Lindsey:

'By the time we recorded Revenge, Annie and I had already been through so much together as a couple, but we still also shared whatever was going on with each of our personal lives. It was almost impossible for us not to share everything we were thinking and feeling; we discussed everything as part of the creative process. It was sometimes very painful and difficult for us and the people around us, yet in a way it was because of our unique relationship that the songs were so full of emotion: sometimes angry, sometimes full of tenderness, but always intense.'

I still like this song and being older now, can listen to it with a different perspective. Probably a good way for me to close out on this subject. As has been mentioned, Dave was very involved in the filming of the videos. For this song, he writes

'[I was using an] 8mm cine camera in the back garden of the construction site that was to be my home on Balboa Avenue in Encino, California. It was intercut with some disturbing war and riot footage, and I inserted a nuclear explosion every time Annie sang "The Miracle of Love" as the ultimate juxtaposition... My favorite image ever of Annie is on the footage at the end of this video. I was using a long lens, and she didn't know I was shooting her. When she realized it, she smiled and started to laugh. That is always the image I think of when I miss Annie. In a few split seconds I captured on film everything I love about her.'

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