Waddy & Stevie in 2016

[mitzo]

Saw this on JoelGausten.com, dating from June 2015:

Wachtel's increasingly full plate for the rest of 2015 includes creating music for the upcoming comedy Joe Dirt 2. As for 2016, he's looking forward to resuming his work with a dear friend.

“I get my Stevie back!” he says. “We did an album that nobody's heard. We went to Nashville, and Dave Stewart and I co-produced it with Stevie. We cut some great tracks and finished out a beautiful record, and then Christine [McVie] decided to come back to [Fleetwood Mac], so our record just got trampled. At first, I was very upset about it, but after a long talk with Stevie one night, I realized, 'Oh, yeah, that's a good thing because once this whole Fleetwood Mac thing is done, we can release the better tunes on that record and tour behind it now and have a clear road in front of us.'”

[gldstwmn]

Well that's it then. Jimmy Paxson and Al Ortiz have both said they are touring this year. So I guess now we know. It's just a matter of the dates being released. :woohoo:

[louielouie2000]

we can release the better tunes on that record and tour behind it now and have a clear road in front of us

I wonder what he means by that? :shrug:

[BlueLight]

Fantastic! His comments echo those he made in his interview with guitar.com last year:

https://www.guitar.com/articles/waddy-wachtel-interview-talking-keef-stevie-nicks-pat-mcgee

Guitar.com: I figured it was something along those lines. And are you working with Stevie Nicks these days?

Waddy: Well I will be. At this point Stevie is on the road with Fleetwood.

Guitar.com: Yeah, I mean when she's done with that.

Waddy: Oh yeah. We have every intention of getting back on the road and promoting the record we made, that no one has heard yet.

Guitar.com: And you'll be serving as musical director?

Waddy: Sure, yeah. Definitely. I just spoke to her the day before yesterday, and she's looking forward to it very much, as I am. We made a great record and no one has heard it yet.

Guitar.com: Right, you've got to get out there.

Waddy: Yeah. Well just timing-wise, it didn't work out, because Christine coming back into the band (Fleetwood Mac) precluded everything, because as soon as the promoters heard about it, every show was sold out.

Guitar.com: Of course.

Waddy: And now they're out there killin', so it's great. But we'll be back early next year, probably.

[Macfan4life]

Slow down Waddy
Stevie has a full album to record with the Mac ;)

[olive]

Slow down Waddy
Stevie has a full album to record with the Mac ;)

I'm sure she can record vocals for the 2 songs maybe 3 in a week

[Macfan4life]

I'm sure she can record vocals for the 2 songs maybe 3 in a week
I cant tell if you are being funny or sarcastic or serious ;)
I was hoping for another White Album, Rumours, or even Say You Will when all members are working hard in the studio to create a masterpiece. I sure don't want another Tango where Stevie is sending in demos from the road and commits a few days here and there :eek:
This is a once in a lifetime opportunity. The last Mac album especially having Christine back and all 5 members back. I hope they take the time they need to make it great. Who would have ever thought this would ever happen again. Lightening strikes........maybe once......maybe twice.

Stevie sings the same 10 songs live on every tour. I would much rather have a sensational Mac album with 4 songs a piece.

[MikeInNV]

Interesting, because I was just about to post that I saw that Jimmy Paxson is touring with the Dixie Chicks this year. Between that and Mick's hinting that there is lots to come from Fleetwood Mac in 2016, I didn't think there would be any solo Stevie stuff this year.

[olive]

I cant tell if you are being funny or sarcastic or serious ;)
I was hoping for another White Album, Rumours, or even Say You Will when all members are working hard in the studio to create a masterpiece. I sure don't want another Tango where Stevie is sending in demos from the road and commits a few days here and there :eek:
This is a once in a lifetime opportunity. The last Mac album especially having Christine back and all 5 members back. I hope they take the time they need to make it great. Who would have ever thought this would ever happen again. Lightening strikes........maybe once......maybe twice.

Stevie sings the same 10 songs live on every tour. I would much rather have a sensational Mac album with 4 songs a piece.

how long did it take to do 24 K , she can do it.

[michelej1]

I wonder what he means by that? :shrug:

Yes, me too. Does it mean that he didn't like Lady as a single?

People here made a good point about Blue Water being a good single, because of Lady Antebellum and that can still happen.

Michele

[KarmaContestant]

I wonder what he means by that? :shrug:


Yes, me too. Does it mean that he didn't like Lady as a single?

People here made a good point about Blue Water being a good single, because of Lady Antebellum and that can still happen.

Michele

I almost wonder if it's a misunderstanding. Could the transcriber have misread / misunderstood Waddy saying rehearse? As in, "we'll rehearse the better tunes" from the perspective of a live show.

[iamnotafraid]

I almost wonder if it's a misunderstanding. Could the transcriber have misread / misunderstood Waddy saying rehearse? As in, "we'll rehearse the better tunes" from the perspective of a live show.

I'm thinking like you.

What artist has ever released the culls first and then decided to
release "better" songs later from the same sessions?

[Macfan4life]

how long did it take to do 24 K , she can do it.
I know she can do it. She has done it before. 24K is a good album but I wish she would have spent more time on it. Its pretty much the demos re-recorded. Some of the songs like All the beautiful worlds sound better in their original form. Some time and creativity could have made the album better IMHO. One reason why Say You Will is so good is the amount of time the entire band spent on recording it ALL TOGETHER.
Stevie may do a short US Tour that may not impact the new album so much. I just don't get excited about Stevie solo tours anymore. The set list is half of what it should be and there is little variation in the songs. I guess I am so excited about the new album that I want it to be perfect. I still cant believe its happening.

[michelej1]

I'm thinking like you.

What artist has ever released the culls first and then decided to
release "better" songs later from the same sessions?

Maybe Stevie (or the record company) and Waddy had different ideas about which were the "better" songs. I can't help focus on the fact that better is a comparative term. I mean, if he said, "we'll rehearse the best songs" that would be one thing. But when you say "better," it indicates that there are some songs on there he thought were worse.

Waddy's making sure you "don't buy that doll."

But it doesn't matter, because no one cares about singles (unless we're talking Adeles and Taylors). Just maybe make another song into a video that can get talked about on social media and go out on tour with about 5 songs from 24K, whether good, better or best.

Michele

[James89]

Stevie kept touring IYD because she said that not enough people had heard the album, in other words, to help sales.

Well it only worked a very small amount because IYD sold an extra 50,000 in the US from September 2011 to September 2014.

50,000 copies in 3 years when she tried hard to promote the album through the tour and the DVD is not very good at all so I really hope Stevie's lot don't think that the album is going to get a new lease of life and suddenly people will listen to it because they just won't.

Maybe she will do a successful but short tour including songs from 24KG but there is no way that the album will get a second chance, no way.

Stevie, accept that 24KG got mixed up with the Mac tour and PLEASE concentrate on the new 2016 Mac album. :)

[StreetAngel86]

Yes, me too. Does it mean that he didn't like Lady as a single?

People here made a good point about Blue Water being a good single, because of Lady Antebellum and that can still happen.

Michele

how about Blue Water WITHOUT Lady A ... coz they ruin it :shrug:

Lady was awesome. but not really HIS choice to decide what is and is not better off the record. The Dealer was / is marvellous. Mabel needs some love but i think that might be hard live :angel::nod:

[sorcerer999]

I almost wonder if it's a misunderstanding. Could the transcriber have misread / misunderstood Waddy saying rehearse? As in, "we'll rehearse the better tunes" from the perspective of a live show.

I bet you're right. He probably said "rehearse" and not "release".

Just maybe make another song into a video that can get talked about on social media and go out on tour with about 5 songs from 24K, whether good, better or best.

This! It's lame that they really didn't have the time to make a proper music video. "Lady", while still a great song, is simply a boring video. I always thought they should have focused on making a stunning video for the title track. A "24 Karat Gold" video with a late 70's/early 80's theme (focusing on the albums "vault" concept, as well as what the song was actually about) would have been great! If any of the four promo singles were to be made into a video, it should have been that one. They really dropped the ball, in my opinion.

...kind of like when they dropped the ball with "Moonlight" and never gave it an "official" radio promo release like "Secret Love" or "FWIW".

So many missed opportunities in promoting her last two records, but that would seem to have more to do with Warner/Reprise Records history and "willingness" (or lack of) to promote a legacy artist/senior citizen.

:sorry: for the rant.

[michelej1]

how about Blue Water WITHOUT Lady A ... coz they ruin it :shrug:


Well, but don't we want the exposure that their fans would bring and the potential radio airplay?

Look, do you want to see Stevie in a Barnes and Noble commercial with Charles Kelley (ala Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga) or not??

Michele

[iamnotafraid]

But it doesn't matter, because no one cares about singles (unless we're talking Adeles and Taylors). Just maybe make another song into a video that can get talked about on social media and go out on tour with about 5 songs from 24K, whether good, better or best.

Michele

If Adele and Taylor would replace Lori and Sharon as
Stevie's backup singers on the new album and tour... oh
nevermind.

[michelej1]

If Adele and Taylor would replace Lori and Sharon as
Stevie's backup singers on the new album and tour... oh
nevermind.

Even in your imagination, do you actually want Taylor Swift singing with Stevie again, after Grammys 2010?

Michele

[iamnotafraid]

Taylor Swift singing



Is that an oxymoron?

[lovethemac1]

^^^^ hahahaha, that's great!!!!

[Macfanforever]

I would be happy to see Stevie with Adele and Taylor .They will get her back on the top 40 charts.I forgive Taylor's performance with Stevie years ago because of the producers of the show probably did not give them enough time to rehearse .

They both are killing the charts and Taylor had a hot year on tour.Adele will have a killer tour soon.I rather see them on top then Katy Perry or some rap/hip hop artists.

[Macfanforever]

how long did it take to do 24 K , she can do it.

She record 24K pronto .She can pop another one out the same way.

[iamnotafraid]

She can pop another one out the same way.

No one's talking about welfare babies Skip.

[olive]

She record 24K pronto .She can pop another one out the same way.

Is she said she has songs recorded some songs were recorded several times it just never made it to an album she should just take them out " sequence" them and release it

[michelej1]

[press release about a streaming website that Waddy is taking part in]

Contributions from Members of the Rolling Stones, Stevie Nicks, Ringo Starr, Herbie Hancock and Bruce Springsteen Bands


Read more: http://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/16/01/p6150417/alerttheglobe-com-debuts-at-2016-namm-show-contributions-from-members-o#ixzz3xin0c7T4

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AlertTheGlobe.com Pioneered a System that Will Become the Quintessential Meeting Spot for Musicians and Music Lovers All Over the Globe

Laguna Beach, CA (PRWEB) January 19, 2016

AlertTheGlobe.com, a website created with a unique and proprietary musician connecting system that connects musicians and music lovers, using a never before seen platform that offers instantaneous delivery to the world, will be showcasing for the first time at the 2016 NAMM Show (Hall E, Booth # 1147) in Anaheim, California January 21, 2016 through January 24, 2016.

The All-Star group of advisers who have been behind the AlertTheGlobe.com movement are Bernard Fowler, vocalist with The Rolling Stones; Waddy Wachtel, guitar legend and Music Director for Stevie Nicks; Roy Bittan, keyboard player for Bruce Springsteen's band; Greg Bissonette, drummer with Ringo Starr's band; Bunny Brunnel, legendary bassist and Rob Shanahan, personal photographer to Ringo Starr just to name a few. "Our live stream will change the way you see us and we see you", says Fowler.

AlertTheGlobe.com is a completely new way of connecting musicians, from the embryonic garage band to the biggest stars in the world, with their fans and each other. Whenever and wherever they may be on the planet, they will all be able to showcase their talents immediately.

A special press reception will be held at NAMM on Thursday, January 21, 2016 from 3:00pm to 5:00pm at the AlertTheGlobe.com booth in Hall E, Booth #1147. Special guests include Waddy Wachtel, Bunny Brunel, Rob Shanahan, Peggi Blu and more. Live streams from around NAMM and the world will be shown. AlertTheGlobe.com has live streaming crews and systems currently set up at various venues in the US, Poland, Canada, Austria, Sweden, Italy, Peru, Germany and Norway, the list is constantly growing. Stream Teams are traveling around the world as well with AlertTheGlobe.com.

Throughout the run of the show at NAMM, AlertTheGlobe.com will have many musicians perform at their booth. Scheduled to play are Bunny Brunel, Ryo Okamoto, Waddy Wachtel, Peggi Blu, Undecided Future, Poor Mans Change, Caitlin Murphy, Usual Suspects and many more. Breakfast with Gary and Kelly, KSBR's 88.5FM radio morning show on Saturday 9am-12pm will also be streamed live with interviews from some of the world's greatest musicians.

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[Newzchspy]

Waddy, "guitar legend???"

He's good, BUT I'll leave the legend stuff to Jimmy H, Joe Sat, Stevie Vai, Ingwie , Chet A. , Lindsey B. etc.........

Now back to our regularly scheduled AlerttheGlobe programming.....

[sywlindseyfan]

I would be happy to see Stevie with Adele and Taylor .They will get her back on the top 40 charts.I forgive Taylor's performance with Stevie years ago because of the producers of the show probably did not give them enough time to rehearse .

They both are killing the charts and Taylor had a hot year on tour.Adele will have a killer tour soon.I rather see them on top then Katy Perry or some rap/hip hop artists.

Are you serious? Katy Perry is the absolute real deal. Way better than Taylor Swift by far. Better songwriter, better performer, and has way more passion for music as an art. Taylor Swift is great, but nowhere near as great of an artist as Katy. And I say artist as in artist. She cares about her art.

[Macfanforever]

Are you serious? Katy Perry is the absolute real deal. Way better than Taylor Swift by far. Better songwriter, better performer, and has way more passion for music as an art. Taylor Swift is great, but nowhere near as great of an artist as Katy. And I say artist as in artist. She cares about her art.

I never got into Katy's tunes maybe its my age.It has the bubblegum music slant to it.basically Adele because she acts her age and more likely she acts like an older woman then Katy and Taylor.


Lady Gaga is sounding better then she was and she great with Tony Bennett.

Is she said she has songs recorded some songs were recorded several times it just never made it to an album she should just take them out " sequence" them and release it

OK.Yea I see.


No one's talking about welfare babies Skip.

LOL.Albums I'm referring too.shes alittle to old for that.

[Macfanforever]

I just received this in my Google Stevie news alert page.

I love those tix prices.

Cost: $17 to $28.

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http://www.latimes.com/socal/glendale-news-press/entertainment/tn-blr-et-music-review-waddy-wachtel-20160226-story.html

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Music Review: Rock 'n' roll stalwart Waddy Wachtel takes center stage
Waddy Wachtel

Guitarist Waddy Wachtel has been a soloist for the likes of Stevie Nicks and Keith Richards. He brings his jam session residency to the Pickwick Bowl in Burbank on Saturday, March 5. (Photo by Steve Appleford)
Jonny Whiteside

The rock star is perhaps the most alluring figure in our pop culture. A strutting embodiment of passionate emotion, each is nonetheless completely reliant on a critical sidekick, the musical soloist upon whom they rely to elevate and complete every song. Few fulfill the role with as much sustained mastery as Waddy Wachtel, the guitarist at the center of so many major rock 'n' roll constellations — with Rolling Stone Keith Richards, Fleetwood Mac's Stevie Nicks, Linda Ronstadt, James Taylor, the late Warren Zevon — that he ranks as a sideman without peer.

Wachtel, who appears Saturday, March 5, at Pickwick Gardens, has been featured on so many hit records that he makes it seem almost effortless, but it's a responsibility he takes very seriously.



"It is quite a feat to write a great song and it is quite a feat to make a great record of it," Wachtel said. "For me it's all about counterpoint, providing something to catch your ear within this song, between where the great singing leaves off. So, my thing is honoring songs. It's always all about the song."

The 69-year-old musician's vast list of credits spans rock, pop and country, and he is constantly expanding it, working regularly as one of the most in-demand studio players in the business.
There's no retiring in this business, you just keep going ... If you can still play, you play. I'm too old to be doing this, but I still do it. Ferociously. - Waddy Wachtel

"I am still definitely playing sessions all the time," he said. "I just did a great rock 'n' roll tune with Sheryl Crow. Next week I'm recording with LeAnn Rimes. There's always lots to do. The sessions are very important."

The Wachtel saga is a colorful and apparently fated one, which he recounts in a swift, loping style. "I grew up in Jackson Heights, New York, started playing guitar when I was about nine, moved to L.A. at 20 in '68," Wachtel said. "I came out here with a band, and, right off, I met David Crosby, who let me know that I 'was the only guy in the band.' I said 'Oh no, don't tell me that.' The band was pretty good, great singers, but it was going nowhere, mostly due to lousy management. So I disbanded it and by 1970 I had my first gig, with the Everly Brothers.

"I started meeting all these session players and I thought 'Hey, I'm as good as these guys.' Well, not all of them, because some of these session guys were just amazing musicians, but I thought 'I can do that.' And I met Nick Venet, who had produced the first albums by the Beach Boys and Linda Ronstadt and he liked me a lot, so I started getting more studio jobs. Then I met [famed producer] David Foster, and he also liked what I was doing and he introduced me to [manager-record executive] Lou Adler, and we were just working like crazy from then on."

"I have been very lucky. It's been an incredible ride, Los Angeles was just such an open, creative place then, it was an amazing time to be here. I was playing with Linda Ronstadt and then James Taylor, I met Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham, played on their album around 1980 and we've been together ever since. And that's when I met Keith Richards, and we immediately hit it off. The next thing I know I get this message: 'Call Keith. He's looking for you,' and so I get him on the phone and he said 'I'm putting a band together and you are in it.' Well, what can you say but 'OK!' And that was the X-pensive Winos."


Always more often in the studio than out on the road, Wachtel eventually developed an enduringly popular club gig, his famed Big Monday at Los Angeles club the Joint. "About 15 ago, [singer-songwriter] Jack Tempchin decided he wanted to start playing live, so we put together a band, Terry Reid was in it, Bernard Fowler, Blondie Chaplin, Rick Rosas and we were playing every week, and we found that whenever we did a rock tune the audience reaction was incredible. They went wild. So we gradually stopped playing so many originals and we turned into the best rock cover band in the world. We were there for years, and so many great guests would come in. We had everybody: Robert Plant, Keith Richards, Bobby Womack, Neil Young — he got up one night and did 45 minutes with us."

The club eventually closed and Big Mondays evaporated, but now Wachtel intends resurrect the night.

"So now, at Pickwick, we want to keep it going, and whenever everybody's in town, they will come down and we'll do it," Wachtel said. "Unfortunately, Rick is no longer with us, and Bernard is out with the Stones but Blondie Chaplin will be at this Pickwick show. It's an amazing lineup of great musicians: Phil Jones, Jamie Savko, Keith Allison, Brett Tuggle, Al Ortiz, Danny Kortchmar. It's always an overpoweringly rock 'n' roll event — we do 'em strong and true. It's a lot of fun and a lot of work. People always say 'Oh, you do such great jams' and I tell 'em this is no jam. We work very hard to sound this loose!"

"There's no retiring in this business, you just keep going. I mean, the Stones all thought that band would only last four or five years. Nobody thought rock 'n' roll would last. If you can still play, you play. I'm too old to be doing this, but I still do it. Ferociously."

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What: Waddy Wachtel Band

Where: Pickwick Gardens' Pavilion Room, 1001 W. Riverside Dr., Burbank

When: Saturday, March 5, 7:30 to 11:30 p.m.

Cost: $17 to $28.

More info: (818) 848-8810, waddywachtelinfo.com/WaddyWachtelBand.html

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JONNY WHITESIDE is a veteran music journalist based in Burbank and author of "Ramblin' Rose: the Life & Career of Rose Maddox" and "Cry: the Johnnie Ray Story."

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Copyright © 2016, Glendale News-Press

[WildHearted]

Waddy is going on tour with Joe Walsh this year, per his Facebook page.

[mitzo]

Waddy is going on tour with Joe Walsh this year, per his Facebook page.

This makes a Stevie tour this year either unlikely or quite short.

[Macfanforever]

This makes a Stevie tour this year either unlikely or quite short.

Probably a quick casino tour which is ok to me and it will keep Waddy and her band and crew employed.

[WildHearted]

Probably a quick casino tour which is ok to me and it will keep Waddy and her band and crew employed.

Waddy's already employed. He's touring with Joe, hence the unlikely/short tour for Stevie.

[olive]

Waddy's already employed. He's touring with Joe, hence the unlikely/short tour for Stevie.

it's 25 shows and over at the end of June

[BlueDenimLamp]

it's 25 shows and over at the end of June

Yes...25 shows from 5/12 to 7/3...Walsh tour (http://joewalsh.com/events) so you cant count out a short summer from tour from Stevie just yet...

[SisterNightroad]

The 20 All-Time Greatest L.A. Studio Musicians

Studio musicians. Sidemen. Hired guns. Session guys. Whatever you want to call them, the pros who spend most of their careers backing up more famous artists are the lifeblood of the music industry. Here in L.A., that's been the case since the 1940s, when the film industry needed quality players to record its soundtracks; and it became especially true in the 1960s, when American popular music's center of gravity shifted from the Brill Building in New York to Capitol Studios in Hollywood. And it's still true today, ProTools and synthesizers notwithstanding.

In choosing the 20 players who make up this list, we looked not just at the total number of sessions played (though that certainly factored in) but the impact those sessions have had on popular music. We considered which players have earned the greatest respect from their peers and have had the longest runs as "first-call" guys — the ones who so dominate their instrument that, if someone else booked the gig, it's only because the first-caller turned it down. We focused on instrumentalists only, not background singers — because that could be an entire separate list unto itself.

A few of these players have retired or passed away but many are still active. They're not all based in L.A., but all recorded some of their most seminal work here, so we're claiming them as L.A. players. Some have become household names, but many still do their work in virtual anonymity, even after 50 years (or more) in the business. Let's give them some long-overdue acknowledgement now.

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16. Waddy Wachtel

Wavy-haired guitarist Waddy Wachtel co-wrote and played that greasy slide solo on one of the biggest earworms ever, Warren Zevon’s pub rocker “Werewolves of London,” which also featured Fleetwood Mac drummer Mick Fleetwood and bassist John McVie. Wachtel’s story intertwines significantly with the Mac. He played on Buckingham Nicks, the 1973 Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks duo LP, and when Nicks embarked on a solo career in the early ’80s, Wachtel was back, bringing just the right amount of rock edge to Nicks’ gypsy pop. That’s his dramatic guitar riff chugging through “Edge of Seventeen.” Wachtel also has recorded with Iggy Pop, Linda Ronstadt, James Taylor, Steve Perry, Dolly Parton, Hall & Oates and Diana Ross, among many others. His long-running Monday night residency at the Joint on Pico, which sadly closed a few years ago, famously gave fans a chance to catch Wachtel’s many rock-star colleagues sitting in for a song or two. —M.W.

19. Matt Chamberlain

Drummer Matt Chamberlain was the engine behind two quintessential mid-’90s albums, The Wallflowers’ Bringing Down the Horse and Fiona Apple’s Tidal. Before that he was one of Edie Brickell's New Bohemians and toured with Pearl Jam, before the release of the grunge kings’ 1991 debut album, Ten. Since then he has appeared on recordings by a staggeringly diverse list of artists including Tori Amos (who dubbed him "the human loop"), David Bowie, Kanye West, Morrissey, Peter Gabriel, Stevie Nicks, Brandi Carlile, Miranda Lambert, Keith Urban, Chris Cornell and Randy Newman. One of Chamberlain's trademark techniques is his ability to sample and loop his own drum patterns, building complex, multilayered grooves from the ground up, both live and in the studio. —Matt Wake



http://www.laweekly.com/music/20-greatest-studio-musicians-from-los-angeles-8667172