Grace Slick thinks FM look awful..

[landslide95]

Don't know if anyone else saw this article. I don't know about Grace but I think FM look great. You're as young as you feel.:shrug:

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/11/18/grace-slick-fleetwood-mac-should-call-it-a-day-and-retire

[jbrownsjr]

All of them, or just a few, or just one member? jeez... how disrespectful to older folks.. Now you have to look good in order to perform..

[AncientQueen]

I just saw that, too. Whatever happened to female solidarity? This throwing shade is so bad, especially when Stevie was so influenced by Grace and never said anything but nice things about her as a performer. Sigh!

And it is not even true, they all look very good, fit and full of energy.

[jkmaletic]

This is the second time she said something similar to this. The first time was a few years ago, and I'm pretty sure it was about Stevie's solo career.
What a bitter bitch.

[Macfanforever]

FM looks great for their age.They could be worst off just doing nothing and counting chickens or working at Walmart or Home Depot as greeters like some retirees do. I have to agree with Grace if she said that about me.I look like crap and fell like crap at times at my age which subtract about a dozen of years off FM members ages .I'm glad that I dont sing or on stage.LOL...

I do enjoy Grace and her band .She has a point on retiring before its to late.Kenny Rogers is retiring after his holiday tour.

Look at Betty White.She's still going in her 90's .God bless her.Country funnyman late great Little Jimmy Dickens was still on the stage right up to his 90's. and other I forgot to mention.

Will see after 2017 what FM will do.If they will tour in 2017.

[pauls90]

There's some clip of her talking about Stevie on youtube in a very condescending way. I honestly think there may be a tad bit of jealousy there or something.

[aleuzzi]

There's some clip of her talking about Stevie on youtube in a very condescending way. I honestly think there may be a tad bit of jealousy there or something.

I said something to this effect years ago and people thought I was crazy, seeing things that weren't there. But I'm with you in Rockland, as Ginsberg says.

[aleuzzi]

All of them, or just a few, or just one member? jeez... how disrespectful to older folks.. Now you have to look good in order to perform..

Yeah, Gracie's always been a head case. So strange that the darling of the summer of love should insist that a band which, by her admission, still sounds good should pack it in because she can't bear to look at them in their old age. I'm not surprised she said this. I might add that every member of the band looks better than she does right now.

[landslide95]

I was a little disappointed to hear her say this about FM. If something works for her, doesn't mean it will work for everyone. Maybe she is one of those rock stars that can't stand getting old or at least seeing herself age. I love Jefferson Airplane but maybe it's a tad bit of jealousy on her part. As fantastic as she was, i think she peaked in the late 60s. Just my opinion. :shrug:

[James89]

She's far too opinionated and in this case I don't think anyone would agree with her. After their Isle of Wight performance, Twitter was overloaded with complements on how the band sounded AND how they looked. They look incredible for their age and their energy is astounding. It's a good job nobody takes any notice of Grace Slick anymore whereas Fleetwood Mac are as popular as ever.

Jealousy? Because she's not doing much anymore? Of course it bloody is. :mad:

[sue]

Perhaps we should have a whip round for Grace.......as she obviously doesn't have a mirror in her house......
Miaow...

[Macfan4life]

Grace has always been tongue and cheek. Take it with a grain of salt.

[Macfanforever]

Yea .I see the jealousy there.Her and Starship is not around and FM is flying high with sellout tour dates playing greatest hits and the women of FM are on the top of the top earners of women of 2015.

[michelej1]

[Oh, thanks. I hadn't seen that comment yet]

Grace Slick: 'Fleetwood Mac should call it a day and retire'

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/11/18/grace-slick-fleetwood-mac-should-call-it-a-day-and-retire

WENN.COM, 11/18/2015

First posted: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 09:31 AM EST | Updated: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 09:39 AM EST

Former Jefferson Airplane singer Grace Slick has urged the members of Fleetwood Mac to follow her into retirement, because they look awful when they perform.

The White Rabbit singer, who quit the business in the late 1980s to focus on her love of art, admits she's still a fan of the band's music, but she can't bear to look at them.

"I saw on television a filming of Fleetwood Mac doing something and I was OK as long as I didn't look at 'em," she tells WENN. "I couldn't look at 'em. They sounded great... and if I looked away and imagined young people singing I was OK with it.

"There's something about old people singing rock 'n' roll lyrics that bothers me. It just doesn't match."

Slick insists there's only one act that still deserves to be rocking in their 70s - the Rolling Stones.

"The only so-called old people I've seen that I really liked and thought, 'That still works', is the Rolling Stones," she explains. "They did a thing that was filmed in a park in Great Britain and the way they acted, the way they sang, the musicianship... just worked really well. It was good rock 'n' roll."

The We Built This City singer even thinks she stuck around too long - and should have quit music a decade before she walked away from Starship.

"I went 10 years past where I should have gone," the hippie icon adds. "I should have stopped at about 38, 39."

But part of the decision to retire came after years of singing songs she didn't believe in: "Starship gags me. I don't like to sing songs that somebody else wrote, simply because I don't necessarily agree with it. I'm lying if I say Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now. A Mack Truck will stop you instantly... and 52 per cent of people who get together get a divorce. What do you mean Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now? It's b-------.

"And We Built This City on rock 'n' roll... What city? There's no city built on rock 'n' roll."

[Macfan4life]

I love Grace though. The story of how she was thrown out of Jefferson Airplane in 1978 is hysterical. The band was on tour promoting their new album. They were performing in West Germany but Grace was too drunk to take the stage so the band performed without her. The audience kept chanting for Grace so much that the next night (also in West Germany) the band forced her to take the stage. Grace was so drunk and was making fun of Germans with all types of World War 2 references and how they lost the war, etc. The band had enough and she was thrown out of the band. She would appear almost 10 years later with the new "Starship." While a success, Grace has always said she hated singing those light weight pop songs with Starship. Grace was 40 when Starship had their big hit "We built this city." She regrets rejoining obviously. Grace is brutally honest and I admire that about her sometimes.

[olive]

All of them, or just a few, or just one member? jeez... how disrespectful to older folks.. Now you have to look good in order to perform..

isn't that the criteria for what is popular now ?

[mottabam]

Yeah, Gracie's always been a head case. So strange that the darling of the summer of love should insist that a band which, by her admission, still sounds good should pack it in because she can't bear to look at them in their old age. I'm not surprised she said this. :nod:.

Agree. I had not seen Grace in a long time(late 80's) and was thrown back the picture. Almost completely didn't recognize her. Unless her remark about a televised event was one of those early AM shows where they have to be on set practicing at like 4am (even teen acts look tired on these programs), that would be the only way I could relate to the comment, because frankly they look excellent for people their age, especially the ladies. Perhaps a bit of animosity for some reason or a touch of jealousy. I find the comment unnecessary actually. At least she said the sounded great.

The other mention of the Stones is interesting, sure Mick Jagger is a ball of fire, but between him and Keith Richards I think if we are judging on age or looks they look far older than most if not all of Fleetwood Mac. IMO if you can sell seats, the demand is their for your music, and you are healthy enough why not carry on.

[lilyfee]

I don't know much about Grace Slick but this seems pretty ageist. FM are still good at what they do and who cares if they're not young-looking anymore? You don't have to be young to write good songs or be sexy or perform a great show, despite what the media/capitalism would like you to believe. People get older... Deal with it.:shrug:

That said, if she's saying she doesn't find them believable because they wrote these songs so long ago and they're still singing the same ones today despite like 40 years of time and new experiences... I can respect that. I, too, would like to see some new FM material performed live.:nod:

[olive]

Just think of Grace and the things she says as ,what Stevie would be like if she never stopped doing drugs

[landslide95]

Just think of Grace and the things she says as ,what Stevie would be like if she never stopped doing drugs

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[landslide95]

Yea .I see the jealousy there.Her and Starship is not around and FM is flying high with sellout tour dates playing greatest hits and the women of FM are on the top of the top earners of women of 2015.

I can understand why she doesn't look back on her days in Starship with fondness. Pretty cringy pop :laugh:

[UndoingTheLaces]

Grace is old and bitter now. Look her up on YouTube. There's all these interviews where she trashes everyone in rock n roll. She talks about how terrible Woodstock was. I think people who say everything is terrible all the time should consider that the one common denominator in everything they say is that it's coming from them. Maybe it's just their outlook on things.

[Macfanforever]

I can understand why she doesn't look back on her days in Starship with fondness. Pretty cringy pop :laugh:

Hahahhaha I did not mind the cringy pop from them.

I wonder who does she like after all the negativity .I like to know her opinion is on todays artists and bands.

[olive]

Hahahhaha I did not mind the cringy pop from them.

I wonder who does she like after all the negativity .I like to know her opinion is on todays artists and bands.

aside from China Kantner , she hates everyone

[aleuzzi]

I love Grace though. The story of how she was thrown out of Jefferson Airplane in 1978 is hysterical. The band was on tour promoting their new album. They were performing in West Germany but Grace was too drunk to take the stage so the band performed without her. The audience kept chanting for Grace so much that the next night (also in West Germany) the band forced her to take the stage. Grace was so drunk and was making fun of Germans with all types of World War 2 references and how they lost the war, etc. The band had enough and she was thrown out of the band. She would appear almost 10 years later with the new "Starship." While a success, Grace has always said she hated singing those light weight pop songs with Starship. Grace was 40 when Starship had their big hit "We built this city." She regrets rejoining obviously. Grace is brutally honest and I admire that about her sometimes.

She rejoined Jefferson Starship first, back in 1981 for the Modern Times album. She was only missing from one album, Freedom at Point Zero.

[Artemis]

Eh, at least she said they sound great. Everything else can be taken with a pinch of salt, Grace has always been of the opinion that old = bad in rock music terms. So... eh.

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She actually seems quite complimentary of Stevie here?

[pattyfan]

I once heard her do an interview for a Fleetwood Mac special and she basically trashed Stevie. She said something like "Oh yeah, the witch" rolling her eyes and with a very dismissive tone. I could never figure out why they included it in the special. Anyway, trashing someone for how they look, except for maybe a model who needs to look a certain way, is really immature and not very nice. I'm very unimpressed with Ms. Slick.

Kevin

[vivfox]

I once heard her do an interview for a Fleetwood Mac special and she basically trashed Stevie. She said something like "Oh yeah, the witch" rolling her eyes and with a very dismissive tone. I could never figure out why they included it in the special. Anyway, trashing someone for how they look, except for maybe a model who needs to look a certain way, is really immature and not very nice. I'm very unimpressed with Ms. Slick.

Kevin


I know of which interview you speak of and she did not trash Stevie at all.

[Jondalar]

This really isn't a Fleetwood thing. Grace was complaining about old people singing rock and roll over 20 years ago.

[WildHearted]

I just can't get past her thinking it's totally fine for the crypt keepers themselves, the Rolling Stones, to keep on playing shows despite their old age as long as they sound awesome.... but not Fleetwood Mac.

[SteveMacD]

I just can't get past her thinking it's totally fine for the crypt keepers themselves, the Rolling Stones, to keep on playing shows despite their old age as long as they sound awesome.... but not Fleetwood Mac.
To be fair, the Stones always looked and sounded like old guys.

[Macfan4life]

She rejoined Jefferson Starship first, back in 1981 for the Modern Times album. She was only missing from one album, Freedom at Point Zero.
You are correct. She was also on Nuclear Furniture album in 1985. That actually is not a bad album even though it was not successful. It was the last of the Jefferson Starship before just "Starship."
Thanks for the correction. I think why I got confused is because after Nuclear Furniture Jefferson Starship sort of broke up before the re-invention of "Starship."

[KarmaContestant]

This is the second time she said something similar to this. The first time was a few years ago, and I'm pretty sure it was about Stevie's solo career.
What a bitter bitch.

That's what I was thinking, too.

[bombaysaffires]

well there was always this rumour floating around back in the day that Stevie had had a fling with Paul Katner (father of Grace's daughter China). So who knows.
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[Jondalar]

I just can't get past her thinking it's totally fine for the crypt keepers themselves, the Rolling Stones, to keep on playing shows despite their old age as long as they sound awesome.... but not Fleetwood Mac.

She is just kissing ass. Actually, the Rolling Stones look aweful. Fleetwood Mac looks better. But it is easier for women to criticize women.

[Danielle]

She is just kissing ass. Actually, the Rolling Stones look aweful. Fleetwood Mac looks better. But it is easier for women to criticize women.

That's what I thought too, I love the RS, I'm seeing them in Feb., I'd pay to seem them performing from wheelchairs but they do look a lot older than FM.
It's music, it shouldn't matter what people look like anyway.

[aleuzzi]

But it is easier for women to criticize women.

I think you're onto something here.

No one can be objective and I think Grace, a woman, looks at women like Stevie and Christine and projects her own insecurities onto them. It's a form of internalized misogyny. There's also an unequivocal jealousy about how the Mac has managed to continue cashing in on its legacy whereas Jefferson Starship--once a staple of 70s FM radio--has not. She can be in awe of the Stones because she was never in their league. In her head, she sees the Mac, who once toured with and, in fact, supported, Jefferson Starship, as peers. It's more easy to criticize your brother than your father.

[pryderi]

I think you're onto something here.

No one can be objective and I think Grace, a woman, looks at women like Stevie and Christine and projects her own insecurities onto them. It's a form of internalized misogyny. There's also an unequivocal jealousy about how the Mac has managed to continue cashing in on its legacy whereas Jefferson Starship--once a staple of 70s FM radio--has not. She can be in awe of the Stones because she was never in their league. In her head, she sees the Mac, who once toured with and, in fact, supported, Jefferson Starship, as peers. It's more easy to criticize your brother than your father.

makes perfect sense

[Mr Scarrott]

In her head, she sees the Mac, who once toured with and, in fact, supported, Jefferson Starship, as peers. It's more easy to criticize your brother than your father.

Not only that, but didn't Fritz support Jefferson Airplane in the 1960s? She's maybe only human to reflect on her, and the Mac's trajectories. I love Grace's voice on those Jefferson Airplane albums. If you don't shiver listening to White Rabbit, check your pulse. I would pay good money to see her sing in a re-formed Jefferson Wheelchair...

She's entitled to her opinion and even she concedes the band still sound great. She's obviously happy in her retirement but it's not for everyone.

[Tango]

Dear old Grace. She doesn't mind being old. Nothing wrong with that. Love her. However, wasn't it just a few weeks ago that Forbes magazine listed Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie as something like the 3rd in money makers in the rock industry? I guess lots of people disagree with Grace. The band has worked hard to get themselves fit and ready for this latest tour. I think they look great! Maybe Grace should take another look. She doesn't sound definitive as to when she last saw them!

[Tango]

Grace:

http://imgs.l4lmcdn.com/graceslick.jpg

Maybe jealous?

[Tango]

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[SisterNightroad]

Grace:

http://imgs.l4lmcdn.com/graceslick.jpg

Maybe jealous?
Grace Slick was a beautiful woman and had and still have a very good voice.
I know even if she doesn't sing anymore she's having a successful career as a painter.
She's not jealous, she's a prude or maybe even stuck-up.

[Macfanforever]

I see Grace had Stevie influenced hair or is it the other way around.My mind is shot.


Also what was the rumours or story about the Heart girls with Stevie. I remember there was a topic on here about it.They and Stevie are in the last photo.

[WildHearted]

I see Grace had Stevie influenced hair or is it the other way around.My mind is shot.


Also what was the rumours or story about the Heart girls with Stevie. I remember there was a topic on here about it.They and Stevie are in the last photo.

I just remember Ann & Nancy saying they couldn't keep up with Stevie's partying, or something to that effect.

[Macfanforever]

I just remember Ann & Nancy saying they couldn't keep up with Stevie's partying, or something to that effect.

LOL .Thanks.

[TsnFan4Ever]

It's very sad to read that, especially considering the history that Stevie and Lindsey share with Grace Slick. Jealous much?

[SisterNightroad]

I see Grace had Stevie influenced hair or is it the other way around.My mind is shot.


Also what was the rumours or story about the Heart girls with Stevie. I remember there was a topic on here about it.They and Stevie are in the last photo.

I just remember Ann & Nancy saying they couldn't keep up with Stevie's partying, or something to that effect.
I remember that the picture was taken backstage at a show of another musical act with whom they were all friends with.

[gldstwmn]

Yeah, Gracie's always been a head case. So strange that the darling of the summer of love should insist that a band which, by her admission, still sounds good should pack it in because she can't bear to look at them in their old age. I'm not surprised she said this. I might add that every member of the band looks better than she does right now.

She did too much acid.🙃 She thinks The Stones still look good? Well yeah, like the way people who are embalmed look good. They still sound great though. :shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:

[gldstwmn]

She is just kissing ass. Actually, the Rolling Stones look aweful. Fleetwood Mac looks better. But it is easier for women to criticize women.
Well they did play Altamont together so who knows what sort of guilt twisted ties may have resulted from that fiasco?

[gldstwmn]

That's what I thought too, I love the RS, I'm seeing them in Feb., I'd pay to seem them performing from wheelchairs but they do look a lot older than FM.
It's music, it shouldn't matter what people look like anyway.
The Stones really are a great band still. Which is an amazing thing in this day and age. They can play any style of music and do it well. It's one of the few shows I would actually pay to see, along with Petty and the Heartbreakers and U2. They are amongst the top five touring bands out there today. We all age and I don't go to a show looking for them to look like they did in their 20's. In fact I much prefer the way they all look now. It lends something to their stage presence and performance.

[gldstwmn]

Dear old Grace. She doesn't mind being old. Nothing wrong with that. Love her. However, wasn't it just a few weeks ago that Forbes magazine listed Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie as something like the 3rd in money makers in the rock industry? I guess lots of people disagree with Grace. The band has worked hard to get themselves fit and ready for this latest tour. I think they look great! Maybe Grace should take another look. She doesn't sound definitive as to when she last saw them!

Unfortunately she will be a footnote whereas a great many of the people she worked and interacted with will actually be the story. She actually was a fashion model prior to her rock and roll career and came from a San Francisco society family. So I imagine it might be difficult for her to accept what her role in this history is going to be. She is still looking good and I love that she's continued to produce art. Now if she would just shut up and maybe find a good therapist?

[MoonSister75]

She did too much acid.

My thoughts exactly..... it's obviously clouding her judgement :shrug:

[landslide95]

She did too much acid.🙃 She thinks The Stones still look good? Well yeah, like the way people who are embalmed look good. They still sound great though. :shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:

That was hilarious :laugh:

[Danigirl]

Ageism much? She is obviously jealous.

[PenguinHead]

I love Grace though. The story of how she was thrown out of Jefferson Airplane in 1978 is hysterical. The band was on tour promoting their new album. They were performing in West Germany but Grace was too drunk to take the stage so the band performed without her. The audience kept chanting for Grace so much that the next night (also in West Germany) the band forced her to take the stage. Grace was so drunk and was making fun of Germans with all types of World War 2 references and how they lost the war, etc. The band had enough and she was thrown out of the band. She would appear almost 10 years later with the new "Starship." While a success, Grace has always said she hated singing those light weight pop songs with Starship. Grace was 40 when Starship had their big hit "We built this city." She regrets rejoining obviously. Grace is brutally honest and I admire that about her sometimes.

There is video footage of this incident. What Grace did was outrageous-- berating the audience for Germany's past. She said "Remember who won the war!" I'm a huge fan of Jefferson Airplane, and certain aspects of Jefferson Starship. Grace marches to the beat of her own drum. She has always been extremely eccentric, opinionated and outspoken. I'm not phased at all by her comments about Fleetwood Mac. It's just typical Grace.

[iamnotafraid]

I don't go to a show looking for them to look like they did in their 20's. In fact I much prefer the way they all look now. It lends something to their stage presence and performance.

um... what?

[David]

Something tells me that Grace Slick is actually criticizing the three men in the Mac, not the women.

[jbrownsjr]

Something tells me that Grace Slick is actually criticizing the three men in the Mac, not the women.

Something tells me that Grace Slick can't tell the difference.

[Tango]

Something tells me that Grace Slick can't tell the difference.

^ ^ that made me laugh out loud!

I don't really think Grace is out of her head, at all but she really believes this whole ageism thing.

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This interview is from 1992 with Howard Stern. She's open and honest. Howard seems captivated.

[SteveMacD]

Grace was so drunk and was making fun of Germans with all types of World War 2 references and how they lost the war, etc.
There is video footage of this incident. What Grace did was outrageous-- berating the audience for Germany's past. She said "Remember who won the war!"

True, but in the interest of fairness, it wasn't like it came out of nowhere. They were singing "Wooden Ships" (the Crosby, Stills, & Nash song that was co-written with Paul Kantner) at the time.


If you smile at me, I will understand
'Cause that is something everybody everywhere does
In the same language

I can see by your coat, my friend
You're from the other side
There's just one thing I got to know
Can you tell me please, who won the war ?

Say, can I have some of your purple berries?
Yes, I've been eating them for six or seven weeks now
Haven't got sick once
Probably keep us both alive

Wooden ships on the water, very free and easy
Easy, you know the way it's supposed to be
Silver people on the shoreline, let us be
Talkin' 'bout very free and easy

Horror grips us as we watch you die
All we can do is echo your anguished cries
Stare as all human feelings die
We are leaving, you don't need us

Go, take your sister then, by the hand
Lead her away from this foreign land
Far away, where we might laugh again
We are leaving, you don't need us

And it's a fair wind blowin' warm
Out of the south over my shoulder
Guess I'll set a course and go

[Missy]

I think that what Lorde said pretty much put paid to Grace.

The Rolling Stones seem to have broken the age barrier for men, and are still getting good reviews. Stevie and Christine now appear to be doing the same for women. More power to them.

It's true they came joint third on the Forbes list for successful female artists this year. Only Katy Perry and Taylor Swift were ahead. FM managed to beat Lady Gaga and Beyonce, and Madonna wasn't in the top 10.

Women in the business are judged so harshly. It's a shame that they didn't do something better with Grace in the 1980s. She quite clearly regrets and is bitter about the whole experience with Starship.

Some artists do age better than others as performers. I think that Madonna should have quit awhile ago. I still have her Ray Of Light album, which I thought showed some signs that she may be maturing and she seemed to have found more vocal range. But it didn't last. Her only medium is high energy pop and no matter how fit you are it's difficult to keep going with that past a certain age.

I don't think that Christine would have had much work done - certainly not as much as Madonna - but she looks remarkable for her age of 72. Based on her recent form, I think that Stevie will continue for awhile longer.

[iamnotafraid]

Women in the business are judged so harshly.

Based on her recent form, I think that Stevie will continue for awhile longer.

Kind of a weeble wobble form.
Just as long as she don't fall down.

[BombaySapphire3]

Kind of a weeble wobble form.
Just as long as she don't fall down.

I thought weebles wobble but they don't fall down?:shrug:..Regarding Grace I think she had one of the great and unique female voices in rock ..I'd put her right there with Stevie for having that intangible quality .I think there may be some professional jealousy though.After starting strong Grace did not really seem to know what to do with herself like Stevie did..so Stevie was able to take it farther than Grace.

[bombaysaffires]

I think that what Lorde said pretty much put paid to Grace.

The Rolling Stones seem to have broken the age barrier for men, and are still getting good reviews. Stevie and Christine now appear to be doing the same for women. More power to them.

It's true they came joint third on the Forbes list for successful female artists this year. Only Katy Perry and Taylor Swift were ahead. FM managed to beat Lady Gaga and Beyonce, and Madonna wasn't in the top 10.

Women in the business are judged so harshly. It's a shame that they didn't do something better with Grace in the 1980s. She quite clearly regrets and is bitter about the whole experience with Starship.

Some artists do age better than others as performers. I think that Madonna should have quit awhile ago. I still have her Ray Of Light album, which I thought showed some signs that she may be maturing and she seemed to have found more vocal range. But it didn't last. Her only medium is high energy pop and no matter how fit you are it's difficult to keep going with that past a certain age.

I don't think that Christine would have had much work done - certainly not as much as Madonna - but she looks remarkable for her age of 72. Based on her recent form, I think that Stevie will continue for awhile longer.

Agree Chris looks fantastic for her age or even for someone younger. But she's definitely had work done...:nod:

So has Stevie. But Stevie seems to have chosen her drs well.]

Chris is looking even better now than she did at the start of the tour, and if I were a betting person I'd bet she's been hooked up with talented hair/makeup/clothing/cosmetic touch ups people by Stevie. That's not a criticism; I'd love to know who Stevie uses....

[iamnotafraid]

I thought weebles wobble but they don't fall down?:shrug:..

Well her form would make me think she's a weeble wobble.
But if she falls down - we know she's not. Kind of like her own
Turing Test.

[Missy]

I saw Fleetwood Mac in 2004 and last month. Actually thought that Stevie looked and sounded better this time. She's always had poor vision and hurt her foot this year. But she was still wearing those heels. (I am in my 40s and couldn't walk in those heels let alone dance in them!)

Madonna needs to be able to dance and still do heavy choreography. That's what people expect of her. She can't stay in one spot and do a ballad while still keeping people entertained. But Stevie is able to do so.

Australians are very critical of and have high expectations of live performers. The reviews here were generally good. The audiences here were very pleased.

Christine and Stevie have likely both had lifts but haven't overdone it. They're not chasing something unrealistic. Christine is a no nonsense woman and not the type to fuss over her looks 24/7. If you have good skin it all helps.

Stevie's recent comments seem to indicate that she wants to continue.

Incidentally (I hope people don't find this disrespectful) a friend of mine saw FM more than 30 years ago and said it was one of the worst shows she had ever been to due to very poor performances. I think this was when everyone in the band was really messed up. I saw a video from that era and looks fairly much as my friend described - very sub standard. In some ways I think they may be better now, because they take better care of themselves.

[jbrownsjr]

^^^ I agree. As much as I criticize the old witch. LA Forum 2014 shows (3).. some of the best Gold Dust Woman I've ever seen and heard. I felt Sisters was a bit flat, but her voice was the strongest of the three.

She does not take any risks with her range; but, she's still doing it.

And I don't think she or any of the other members look awful. I thought they looked amazing! Go MAC!

[Nicks Fan]

You are correct. She was also on Nuclear Furniture album in 1985. That actually is not a bad album even though it was not successful. It was the last of the Jefferson Starship before just "Starship."
Thanks for the correction. I think why I got confused is because after Nuclear Furniture Jefferson Starship sort of broke up before the re-invention of "Starship."

Nuclear Furniture was 84. Knee Deep In The Hoopla the first Starship Album was 85

[Missy]

^^^ I agree. As much as I criticize the old witch. LA Forum 2014 shows (3).. some of the best Gold Dust Woman I've ever seen and heard. I felt Sisters was a bit flat, but her voice was the strongest of the three.

She does not take any risks with her range; but, she's still doing it.

And I don't think she or any of the other members look awful. I thought they looked amazing! Go MAC!

Yep sure. I think she's very conscientious about that on tour. She does not want to let the other band members or the audiences down by going to an extreme and harming her voice. I think she realizes now that in the past she used bad vocal technique. But on Gold Dust Woman she lets herself cut loose a little.

She can still achieve a dramatic effect while not overdoing it onstage.

[Nicks Fan]

What happened with Starship was this.

After 1984's Nuclear Furniture Paul Kanter left and then sued the other members to stop them from using the Jefferson Starship name. They were going to call themselves Starship Jefferson but settled on Starship. They recorded one album 1985's Knee Deep In The Hoopla which spawned two number 1 hits (We Built This City and Sara). After this album and tour Bassist Pete Sears left claiming he was embarrassed by the whole corporate rock thing they were doing now. The others continued on releasing 1987's No Protection with the number 1 hit Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now. During the tour Grace got sick with an ailment where she could not move part of her body so dates got cancelled.

In 88 Slick left the band and the remaining three recorded Wild Again for the movie Cocktail and then cut a new album in 89 called Love Among The Cannibals with a top 20 hit called It's Not Enough. During that tour Donny Baldwin the drummer and singer Mickey Thomas got into a big fight at a tour stop in Scranton, PA and Mickey's Face was busted up badly. Donny got fired and dates were rescheduled.

By 91 the band had released a GH album and their manager announced the band was over. Two Years later Mickey resurrected the name calling it Mickey Thomas Starship and now called Starship featuring Mickey Thomas. They still tour but the venues are small state fairs casinos rib fests corn roasts etc. Mickey is the only member still in the band from their heyday. He has a back up band and a girl singer who sings Grace's songs. In 2013 they released a new CD called Loveless Fascination.

In 87-88 Members of Jefferson Airplane/Starship were performing in a side band project and invited Grace to play on stage in 88. This led to a reunion of the Jefferson Airplane in 89 for a one off album and tour. The album was a not a big seller but the tour was a success.

In 1990 Grace retired and only occasionally has done anything musically. This includes recording backing vocals to a song on a Linda Perry album, rejoining Jefferson Starship twice to perform once in 96 and once in 2001.

In 2008, Slick contributed vocals to the hidden track (actually a previously unreleased 1970 outtake featuring Slick, Paul Kantner and Jack Traylor) of the latest Jefferson Starship release, Jefferson's Tree of Liberty. In 2010, Slick co-wrote Edge of Madness with singer Michelle Mangione to raise money for remediation efforts following the BP Oil Spill.[

Grace said the reason she stayed in the 80's was that she felt guilty for what she did in the 70's (showing up drunk being late or missing concerts etc) so she felt she owed them. The people behind Starship felt they needed to continue the hits that Jefferson Starship had so they brought in outside writers to give them hit singles.

I will say that some of the Starship music was awful but some of it was not that bad. There was much worse in the 80's IMO

[Missy]

There were also others who had their bad moments in the 80s, not just Grace. After 1985 Stevie went into a personal and creative slump that lasted about a decade due to the Klonopin. There was a time when I thought she was really finished. Then she managed to kick that drug and was lucky to get a sort of cultural revival in the post-grunge era.

If there was a time when I thought Stevie looked awful I think it was the mid to late 1980s, by which time it was obvious that there was something terribly wrong and no amount of makeup or big hairdo could hide it. I far prefer her now.

[jbrownsjr]

There were also others who had their bad moments in the 80s, not just Grace. After 1985 Stevie went into a personal and creative slump that lasted about a decade due to the Klonopin. There was a time when I thought she was really finished. Then she managed to kick that drug and was lucky to get a sort of cultural revival in the post-grunge era.

If there was a time when I thought Stevie looked awful I think it was the mid to late 1980s, by which time it was obvious that there was something terribly wrong and no amount of makeup or big hairdo could hide it. I far prefer her now.

Some of the photos from even Behind the Mask were terrible photos. I agree, she looks great for all that she's been thru.

[Mystic Owl]

I think all things considered the MAC is looking great - and when you are still selling out venues, keep it going as long as you can.

[mayamgk0220]

I have read the article and I agree. I don't even think they sound all that good. The shows are rushed and lack emotional and psychological vigor. It was hard to get through The Dance Reunion Tour. I couldn't resist ...I had to give them one more look and was highly disappointed !!! I never thought I would see the fastest I actually had to leave a show because it was hot that bad. It is sad but when Grace Slick said "children should be seen and not heard...&...." Old people should be heard and not seen" SHE WAS RIGHT!

[FuzzyPlum]

I have read the article and I agree. I don't even think they sound all that good. The shows are rushed and lack emotional and psychological vigor. It was hard to get through The Dance Reunion Tour. I couldn't resist ...I had to give them one more look and was highly disappointed !!! I never thought I would see the fastest I actually had to leave a show because it was hot that bad. It is sad but when Grace Slick said "children should be seen and not heard...&...." Old people should be heard and not seen" SHE WAS RIGHT!

Dude, you joined in 2014 and waited nearly two years to make that first post??? You should have made it a good one.

[dino]

I like this part though :D:

But part of the decision to retire came after years of singing songs she didn't believe in: "Starship gags me. I don't like to sing songs that somebody else wrote, simply because I don't necessarily agree with it. I'm lying if I say Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now. A Mack Truck will stop you instantly... and 52 per cent of people who get together get a divorce. What do you mean Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now? It's b-------.

[jbrownsjr]

I like this part though :D:

But part of the decision to retire came after years of singing songs she didn't believe in: "Starship gags me. I don't like to sing songs that somebody else wrote, simply because I don't necessarily agree with it. I'm lying if I say Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now. A Mack Truck will stop you instantly... and 52 per cent of people who get together get a divorce. What do you mean Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now? It's b-------.

It just reeks of jealousy, to me. She made similar comments when the Dance came out.

By the way, I think Fleetwood Mac sounded amazing at the LA Forum in 2014. They looked fabulous as well. All of them.

[brad975]

I love Grace Slick. Jefferson Airplane made a lot of great music from '67 to '69. I still listen to those records.

But it gets a LOT spottier in the 70s. Like Stevie (probably), Grace had surgery to treat vocal nodules in the late 60s. In the years after that, she lost a lot of what made her vocals special -- her ability to wail and imitate the guitar.

Marty Balin sang most of Jefferson Starship's best known songs in the mid to late '70s. And Grace certainly played second fiddle to Mickey Thomas after rejoining the band in '81 after a three-year break.

Say what you will about the songs, but it was kinda of cool to see and hear Grace on MTV and the radio in the '80s, thanks to "Winds of Change" (a pretty cool tune), "We Built This City," and "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now."

But I was glad to see her ditch Starship in time for the JA reunion in '89 (the album had some bright moments, including Grace's "Freedom").

But at 50, when she was looking better than she had in years, Grace elected to bow out gracefully. She quit dying her hair and trying to defy aging, then later had some health issues. It's cool that she's found a creative outlet in painting, but it would have been nice to hear more from her in the 90s (after synth rock went out of style and she could have done something grittier - as her duet with Linda Perry demonstrated).

She's always been a blunt instrument, based on a lot of what I've heard about her history. So I'm not surprised to hear her tell it like she thinks it is.

But Stevie is an exception. In her 50s and 60s, she's managed to keep me far more interested in her music than a lot of acts I no longer follow as closely.

I don't know how long she'll be able to keep up the blonde witchy woman look, but it's a persona that's allowed her to age more gracefully than Madonna. It's amazing what Madonna can still do on stage, but she needs to start thinking about what she'll do for the next stage of her career.

Rock on, Gold Dust Woman. And Lindsey, Christine, Mick, and John, too!

[James89]

Remind me why people have signed up to forums like this to just criticize the band? I don't understand it. :shrug::mad:

[chiliD]

Remind me why people have signed up to forums like this to just criticize the band? I don't understand it. :shrug::mad:

Because we can. It's our place to bitch about stuff; but don't let some interloper on the street bad-mouth our band, those'd be fighting words. Fleetwood Mac as a whole, nor the individual members, are above criticism.

And, really, if you HAVE to add the qualifying line "for their age" or "all things considered" to a comment about how somebody looks, then it becomes a back-handed compliment. :nod:

So, I definitely understand where Grace was coming from in her comments. Did I like reading them? Not necessarily, since I have that knee-jerk response to anything negative about Fleetwood Mac (except for when I go on a rant), but she's got the right to voice her opinion, for now anyway; who knows what the potential fascists in the government may try to pull on us sheep in the near future.

[jbrownsjr]

Because we can. It's our place to bitch about stuff; but don't let some interloper on the street bad-mouth our band, those'd be fighting words. Fleetwood Mac as a whole, nor the individual members, are above criticism.

And, really, if you HAVE to add the qualifying line "for their age" or "all things considered" to a comment about how somebody looks, then it becomes a back-handed compliment. :nod:

So, I definitely understand where Grace was coming from in her comments. Did I like reading them? Not necessarily, since I have that knee-jerk response to anything negative about Fleetwood Mac (except for when I go on a rant), but she's got the right to voice her opinion, for now anyway; who knows what the potential fascists in the government may try to pull on us sheep in the near future.

Even if it does make her look jealous and bitter.

[Missy]

But Stevie is an exception. In her 50s and 60s, she's managed to keep me far more interested in her music than a lot of acts I no longer follow as closely.

I don't know how long she'll be able to keep up the blonde witchy woman look, but it's a persona that's allowed her to age more gracefully than Madonna. It's amazing what Madonna can still do on stage, but she needs to start thinking about what she'll do for the next stage of her career.

Rock on, Gold Dust Woman. And Lindsey, Christine, Mick, and John, too!

Have you seen this? Recent song by Madonna. Go to about the 1:30 mark - she's turning into Stevie!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GgDxv0Qg_Rg

On another recent video I could see that she was trying to copy Kylie Minogue. A few years ago Madonna was showing her age. I don't know how she looks like she does in recent videos. No doubt she is fitter than most half her age, but they probably photo edit frame by frame. Every single HD image.

I would like it if she did another more mature album like 'Ray Of Light' which I thought was okay. 'Mature' doesn't have to mean boring or crusty. But after a certain age you need to show some substance as well as style and who you truly are.

Whereas Stevie is moving into a more mentoring role with younger artists, Madonna still tries to directly compete with them. Maybe what happened to her idol Bowie might have an effect on her. There was about ten years age difference between them not that much really.

I was a bit disappointed that Grace seemed to be saying it's okay for male rock stars to get older and still be on stage but not women. But personal decision everyone has to make for themselves.

[vivfox]

It's our place to bitch about stuff; but don't let some interloper on the street bad-mouth our band.

Ha ha. This made me LOL.:angel:

[Macfanforever]

The screen transitions are so fast and I could not see it..I have to slow it down.First time hearing it.She got her voice morphed like Cher did with "Believe"

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Have you seen this? Recent song by Madonna. Go to about the 1:30 mark - she's turning into Stevie!



https://youtube.com/watch?v=GgDxv0Qg_Rg

On another recent video I could see that she was trying to copy Kylie Minogue. A few years ago Madonna was showing her age. I don't know how she looks like she does in recent videos. No doubt she is fitter than most half her age, but they probably photo edit frame by frame. Every single HD image.

I would like it if she did another more mature album like 'Ray Of Light' which I thought was okay. 'Mature' doesn't have to mean boring or crusty. But after a certain age you need to show some substance as well as style and who you truly are.

Whereas Stevie is moving into a more mentoring role with younger artists, Madonna still tries to directly compete with them. Maybe what happened to her idol Bowie might have an effect on her. There was about ten years age difference between them not that much really.

I was a bit disappointed that Grace seemed to be saying it's okay for male rock stars to get older and still be on stage but not women. But personal decision everyone has to make for themselves.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Speaking of "Jefferson Airplane"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Paul Kantner, a pioneer of psychedelic music and culture as a member of Jefferson Airplane, has passed away at 74: <a href="https://t.co/wz7sl0jtVy">https://t.co/wz7sl0jtVy</a></p>&mdash; Glide Magazine (@glidemag) <a href="https://twitter.com/glidemag/status/692877310584721412">January 29, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Missy]

Yes, yet another. The Jefferson Airplane guitar player Paul Kantner has passed away aged 74 according to many media reports.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/jefferson-airplane-guitarist-paul-kantner-dead-at-74-20160128

I think that many artists of that era would now be thinking about their futures. No question in my mind, Bowie did the right thing slowing down and spending time with his family in his last years.