you think he'd quit smoking

[olive]

no sympathy at all for him

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[Dr.Brown]

Sorry, I realize that he's an adult who's responsible for his own actions but he's also an addict, just as another prominent member of the band once was. I do feel sympathy for the man and hope that he can find a way to give up smoking. Another one of my favorites, Leonard Nimoy, passed away earlier this year due to COPD after years of smoking. As both a Fleetwood Mac and Star Trek fan, I want to see John live longer and prosper.:nod:

[SteveMacD]

It depends on what type of colorectal cancer he had. Cigarette smoking increases the risk of MSI-H CRC, while alcohol intake increases the risk MSI-L CRC. According to Christine, he gave up drinking after the diagnosis. So, reading between the lines, his cancer was probably related more to his heavy alcohol use.

[SisterNightroad]

Yes, but surely now he's on a strict health plan with a diet and meds and it isn't wise to take them while smoking anyway.

[FuzzyPlum]

I'm certainly no doctor, but...
surely if you've smoked heavily all your life, by the time you reach that age it isn't going to make the blindest bit of difference to your future health whether you give up or not. The damage to your lungs in particular would be pretty much irreparable.
Arguably, a smoking addict giving up something they've relied on so much after such a long time would hit the body more and likely have a huge impact on the immune system.
...but I'm no doctor!

[SteveMacD]

It seems a little disingenuous to judge how much someone smokes by a video shot at the airport after a long flight.

[mitzo]

Whether or not people smoke is not at all my business .... regardless of the circumstances. Who knows whether he is actually self medicating in this way? Lots of people with colitis etc. smoke to relieve symptoms.

[MikeVielhaber]

Sorry, I realize that he's an adult who's responsible for his own actions but he's also an addict, just as another prominent member of the band once was. I do feel sympathy for the man and hope that he can find a way to give up smoking. Another one of my favorites, Leonard Nimoy, passed away earlier this year due to COPD after years of smoking. As both a Fleetwood Mac and Star Trek fan, I want to see John live longer and prosper.:nod:

Leonard Nimoy hadn't smoked in over 30 years when he died. Which proves the point that someone else made, the damage had been done.

[michelej1]

What in the devil, John? Could you HAVE more assistants? Next thing I know, he's going to have his own back up singers.

So, he and Lindsey didn't want to hug goodbye?

Michele

[sleepless child]

I was surprised too to see him smoking after beating cancer. But it's a hard addiction to break. I haven't smoked since my early 20's, but I still have an occasional craving.

[nicepace]

It makes me sad. I love John McVie and wish him a long and healthy life. But, nobody's perfekt.

[Dr.Brown]

Leonard Nimoy hadn't smoked in over 30 years when he died. Which proves the point that someone else made, the damage had been done.

Nimoy was already in his 50's when he quit and lived another 30 years. John is pushing 70 but apparently is still smoking. His habit will continue to have a negative impact on his health and will make it much less likely that he will live as long as Nimoy did. COPD is not at all a pleasant way to go.

Here is a quote from a Wikipedia article regarding COPD:

In those who smoke, stopping smoking is the only measure shown to slow down the worsening of COPD.[59] Even at a late stage of the disease, it can reduce the rate of worsening lung function and delay the onset of disability and death.[60]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_obstructive_pulmonary_disease

[iamnotafraid]

no sympathy at all for him


What a goof. That's for everyone who smokes
these days.

On a side note...
I would get so tired of people filming me everywhere
I went. The life of a Rock $tar.

[SteveMacD]

What a goof. That's for everyone who smokes
these days.

On a side note...
I would get so tired of people filming me everywhere
I went. The life of a Rock $tar.
John McVie is a bass player, not a rock star, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way. He's gone out of the way to not be one. He doesn't aim for the spotlight and he mostly quit giving interviews. His job is to show up, play bass, and go home or to the hotel. That's not to say he doesn't take pride in his work, but it's his job. He's a namesake of a hugely popular band, but nothing in how he conducts himself suggests he puts any stock whatsoever in his perceived celebrity status.

[michelej1]

The fact that he was seen coughing, makes the smoking seem even worse of course.

But heaven knows I sometimes have an uncontrollable cough (that overtakes me at the most embarassing times) and I haven't smoked a day in my life.

Interesting to see that even though John gets recognized least often of the 5. He still has to deal with frequent interruptions -- at least at LAX.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

The fact that he was seen coughing, makes the smoking seem even worse of course.

But heaven knows I sometimes have an uncontrollable cough (that overtakes me at the most embarassing times) and I haven't smoked a day in my life.

Interesting to see that even though John gets recognized least often of the 5. He still has to deal with frequent interruptions -- at least at LAX.

Michele

I'm impressed and/or stunned that people have material to be signed. All I have is my I-touch when at LAX. lol

[lovethemac1]

I love Lindsey, but I really love John. Interesting to see that the person chose to follow him with the camera and not Lindsey. You go John!!

[wheart]

I love Lindsey, but I really love John. Interesting to see that the person chose to follow him with the camera and not Lindsey. You go John!!

yeah the cigarette police was out in full force. Notice how they zoomed in as he was taking a puff? Funny. It was cool to see him sign autographs. I also like how Lindsey was carrying his own guitar. Just struck me as funny.

[vivfox]

That was fun to watch because we RARELY get any live views of John but am I the only one that thinks this was filmed a couple of years ago and posted as if it is new? Look at the man's stomach. He hasn't carried that excessive weight after his cancer treatments.

[shackin'up]

That was fun to watch because we RARELY get any live views of John but am I the only one that thinks this was filmed a couple of years ago and posted as if it is new? Look at the man's stomach. He hasn't carried that excessive weight after his cancer treatments.

You're right. I asked myself the same thing.

[michelej1]

I'm impressed and/or stunned that people have material to be signed. All I have is my I-touch when at LAX. lol

It must have been people that expected to see them at the airport and had their memorabilia ready for that purpose. I mean, they wouldn't just be strolling along the street with their FM album in hand. I hope.

Michele

[iamnotafraid]

John McVie is a bass player, not a rock star, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way. He's gone out of the way to not be one...

Derogatory? Neither was my statement about being a "rock star".

What I was thinking was about his patience. With the fans or professional
autograph hounds. Or simply just waiting to be picked up by the limo. Far
from glamorous, this part of being a Rock $tar.

[michelej1]

Derogatory? Neither was my statement about being a "rock star".

What I was thinking was about his patience. With the fans or professional
autograph hounds. Or simply just waiting to be picked up by the limo. Far
from glamorous, this part of being a Rock $tar.

The waiting to be picked up by a limo isn't so bad. I have to lug my luggage to the parking lot, so I'd welcome a chauffeur.

But no, I wouldn't want people taking pictures of me in my private life or interrupting me at dinner and the lot.

Michele

[FuzzyPlum]

I guess Lindsey carries his guitar when he travels so that he can noodle around and constantly come up with ideas... he has loads of guitars as part of the tour- it seems funny for him to carry one home with him.

Either that or he enjoys being recognized as a rock star.

[elle]

I guess Lindsey carries his guitar when he travels so that he can noodle around and constantly come up with ideas... he has loads of guitars as part of the tour- it seems funny for him to carry one home with him.


just a speculation, but we know that he has no access to all of the guitars that are a part of the tour since they are with the rest of the equipment which takes weeks to ship from the UK back to the US, and then probably back to AUS. he seems to be using most of his guitars on tour, since when he did the USC gig in between the legs, he had no access to his own guitars, both acoustic and electric, and he was using his guitar tech's guitars for that gig (many noted different guitars than what he is normally using when watching the youtube coverage of his Apr 29 USC gig).

so if he wants to have one of his guitars available to him between tour legs, to either work on new music or noodle around, he has to bring one with him on the plane, it would seem.

[bombaysaffires]

just a speculation, but we know that he has no access to all of the guitars that are a part of the tour since they are with the rest of the equipment which takes weeks to ship from the UK back to the US, and then probably back to AUS. he seems to be using most of his guitars on tour, since when he did the USC gig in between the legs, he had no access to his own guitars, both acoustic and electric, and he was using his guitar tech's guitars for that gig (many noted different guitars than what he is normally using when watching the youtube coverage of his Apr 29 USC gig).

so if he wants to have one of his guitars available to him between tour legs, to either work on new music or noodle around, he has to bring one with him on the plane, it would seem.

hmmm... I can envision a room full of guitars at his home studio.... :woohoo:

[bombaysaffires]

What in the devil, John? Could you HAVE more assistants? Next thing I know, he's going to have his own back up singers.

So, he and Lindsey didn't want to hug goodbye?

Michele


I guess that hand gesture thing from John and the high wave over the head from LB is as bromancy as those two get. (Insert Tim Allen grunt). :eek:

[elle]

hmmm... I can envision a room full of guitars at his home studio.... :woohoo:

yeah one would right? apparently not the ones he can use for gigs. he said he's using all his guitars, that he's not a collector. remember also that USC gig he did back at the beginning of 2012 when his guitars were still back enroute from the ill-fated UK solo gigs? he used some beat up strat or something that he said was the only guitar he had available. said it was one of the first real guitars he bought.

[elle]

I guess that hand gesture thing from John and the high wave over the head from LB is as bromancy as those two get. (Insert Tim Allen grunt). :eek:

to me it looks like they are waving and gesturing to someone behind them, not saying goodbye to each other, since the 2 of them walked together for a while after that. LB turns all the way behind him and waves really high.

[michelej1]

I guess that hand gesture thing from John and the high wave over the head from LB is as bromancy as those two get. (Insert Tim Allen grunt). :eek:

I wonder how Mick and Lindsey part. I bet they touch as they bid adieu. Michele

[michelej1]

Remember how Chris said that after the RRHOF in 1998 they didn't even say goodbye. They just all got in their rides and drove off, because they'd already said it all after the last Dance show. Michele

[bombaysaffires]

to me it looks like they are waving and gesturing to someone behind them, not saying goodbye to each other, since the 2 of them walked together for a while after that. LB turns all the way behind him and waves really high.

I was wondering about that... Lindsey seems to be waving to someone way behind:shrug: but John makes a gesture while it seems he's looking at Lindsey.

I'm sure by this point they're soooo ready for a little time apart, and not necessarily in a horrible or bad way, just fatigued.

[bombaysaffires]

yeah one would right? apparently not the ones he can use for gigs. he said he's using all his guitars, that he's not a collector. remember also that USC gig he did back at the beginning of 2012 when his guitars were still back enroute from the ill-fated UK solo gigs? he used some beat up strat or something that he said was the only guitar he had available. said it was one of the first real guitars he bought.

guess that fits with the same stretched out tee shirts and boots with duct tape and all that...

[Macfanforever]

Does anybody actually know how old this video is.Looking at the source of this video on Youtube which looks like one of those rubbish rag mag YT channels.It reminds me of the crap in the stands at the cash checkouts at my supermarket.

[PenguinHead]

What in the devil, John? Could you HAVE more assistants? Next thing I know, he's going to have his own back up singers.

So, he and Lindsey didn't want to hug goodbye?

Michele

He needs those assistants to keep his cigarette stash in stock. I assume he is the only one in the band that still smokes them.

Stevie had a passing phase smoking Kools. Lindsey must have smoked cigarettes for a time -- he is seen smoking on stage in the Mirage concert video. Christine used to smoke cigarettes, but I assume she quit a long time ago. I don't think Mick has ever been a smoker (pot exemption for all them).

[Montclare]

He needs those assistants to keep his cigarette stash in stock. I assume he is the only one in the band that still smokes them.

Stevie had a passing phase smoking Kools. Lindsey must have smoked cigarettes for a time -- he is seen smoking on stage in the Mirage concert video. Christine used to smoke cigarettes, but I assume she quit a long time ago. I don't think Mick has ever been a smoker (pot exemption for all them).

Richard said Lindsey never smoked cigarettes (tobacco ones). In addition to the Mirage video, there are a number of pictures of him smoking something; I always assume it's a joint.

[chiliD]

Lindsey must have smoked cigarettes for a time -- he is seen smoking on stage in the Mirage concert video.

Richard said Lindsey never smoked cigarettes (tobacco ones). In addition to the Mirage video, there are a number of pictures of him smoking something; I always assume it's a joint.

A well-founded assumption. :nod: And, also remember that during "Not That Funny", John came over for a toke.

[welcomechris]

I'm going to have to go with olive on this. I really don't have much sympathy for him. John had Colon Cancer. Drinking & Smoking are major cause of Colon Cancer. Yes, John was a heavy drinker (and as of 1997, still is) Smoking is a huge factor too.

[FuzzyPlum]

Drinking & Smoking are major cause of Colon Cancer.

No, smoking increases the likelihood of all cancers, including colon cancer but it is not one of the major causes for colon cancer. Far more significant are poor (fatty, low fibre) diets, lack of physical fitness and significant alcohol consumption.

[ChickenStu]

Bloke's a grown up. He can do whatever he wants. Let he who casts the first stone and all that...

[Macfanforever]

More likely drinking is the culprit for colon cancer.It hit close to home what drinking can do to your insides.On the otherhand smoking could be link to it.The Doctor /Registered Nurse ledgies could answer that.

I also agree on crappy food diet can do a number with the colon.
I'm on a fiber diet myself and check out fine with the doctor.

Got to eat that fiber...................................

Smoking definitely will ruin the lungs .It killed my uncle at 66.And some friends too.

[ChickenStu]

Oh man... why is this thread even here?

Shouldn't we be talking about the music rather than what the guy does in his personal life?!?

He's a grown man ffs, if he wants to smoke that's his lookout. Yeah it's not the greatest habit on the planet - but the dude is an adult and who the F*** are any of US to have a go at him for it?

Seriously get off the soap boxes it's getting boring.

[SisterNightroad]

If there are threads about Lindsey's past abusive behaviour or Stevie's drug abuse and abortion we can discuss this absolutely legitimate and free (even if stupid) choice of smoking like adults, without need to get defensive.

[guillamene]

Oh man... why is this thread even here?

Shouldn't we be talking about the music rather than what the guy does in his personal life?!?

He's a grown man ffs, if he wants to smoke that's his lookout. Yeah it's not the greatest habit on the planet - but the dude is an adult and who the F*** are any of US to have a go at him for it?

Seriously get off the soap boxes it's getting boring.

Agree entirely!
Two other things concern me here : the invasion of John's privacy as he is filmed and focused on for a few minutes as he's going about his business. This is so unfair to him. The fact that he is famous should not deprive him of his space.
Secondly, I'm very wary of these apparently ' professional ' autograph hunters who hang about airports and always seem to have albums/ posters to hand. I've seen the same done to members of the Rolling Stones who, despite their security are hassled by the
people as they wish them a safe journey or welcome them while at the same time
shove items to be signed straight at them. Most of these, of course, will end up on ebay.
Yes, let's stick to the music!

[Macfanforever]

Oh man... why is this thread even here?

Shouldn't we be talking about the music rather than what the guy does in his personal life?!?

He's a grown man ffs, if he wants to smoke that's his lookout. Yeah it's not the greatest habit on the planet - but the dude is an adult and who the F*** are any of US to have a go at him for it?

Seriously get off the soap boxes it's getting boring.

If there are threads about Lindsey's past abusive behaviour or Stevie's drug abuse and abortion we can discuss this absolutely legitimate and free (even if stupid) choice of smoking like adults, without need to get defensive.

Agree entirely!
Two other things concern me here : the invasion of John's privacy as he is filmed and focused on for a few minutes as he's going about his business. This is so unfair to him. The fact that he is famous should not deprive him of his space.
Secondly, I'm very wary of these apparently ' professional ' autograph hunters who hang about airports and always seem to have albums/ posters to hand. I've seen the same done to members of the Rolling Stones who, despite their security are hassled by the
people as they wish them a safe journey or welcome them while at the same time
shove items to be signed straight at them. Most of these, of course, will end up on ebay.
Yes, let's stick to the music!

It seems like a trend here lately .I agree and we have opinions and which we have the right to .How about some positive talk about FM and its members and their music .To much dwelling on the bad stuff.Like for example Lindsey helped an old lady across the street.Mick helped a guy find his contact lens.Chris teaching a little girl how to play the piano.John helping a guy on his boat.Stevie teaching a girl how to sing.

Chill out guys .We suppose to love this band.

[bombaysaffires]

We suppose to love this band.

Loving them doesn't mean worshipping them, or whitewashing over their faults. Speaking for myself, one of the reasons I love them is yes, the music, but also that they are all such interesting people. And the band themselves are to blame in a lot of ways for putting all their personal crap out there in the public domain and hyping the hell out of it to boost sales all these years. You can't take it back now.... though it seems some of them might be wishing they hadn't been so forthcoming-- Mick has said a few times in recent interviews that perhaps they were "too honest" about all their sh#t.(though to be fair not really John after the Rumors period).

To me the fact that they are all (as we all are) quite flawed human beings in a weird way makes them more endearing, or more down-to-earth or whatever. So I get why people would be wondering gosh, why would a man who beat cancer once keep tempting fate by continuing to smoke or whatever other behavior that is known to cause that very disease. In this case I'm not really shocked by John's behavior. My dad died of a massive heart attack just a few years ago brought on by super clogged arteries caused by his smoking habit that started at age 13 until his death at 73. He tried over and over though the years to quit, and did quit and several times quit for a few years at a time, but it always hooked him again. I have to imagine John is in the same predicament. Addiction man, it sucks.

[Macfanforever]

Loving them doesn't mean worshipping them, or whitewashing over their faults. Speaking for myself, one of the reasons I love them is yes, the music, but also that they are all such interesting people. And the band themselves are to blame in a lot of ways for putting all their personal crap out there in the public domain and hyping the hell out of it to boost sales all these years. You can't take it back now.... though it seems some of them might be wishing they hadn't been so forthcoming-- Mick has said a few times in recent interviews that perhaps they were "too honest" about all their sh#t.(though to be fair not really John after the Rumors period).

To me the fact that they are all (as we all are) quite flawed human beings in a weird way makes them more endearing, or more down-to-earth or whatever. So I get why people would be wondering gosh, why would a man who beat cancer once keep tempting fate by continuing to smoke or whatever other behavior that is known to cause that very disease. In this case I'm not really shocked by John's behavior. My dad died of a massive heart attack just a few years ago brought on by super clogged arteries caused by his smoking habit that started at age 13 until his death at 73. He tried over and over though the years to quit, and did quit and several times quit for a few years at a time, but it always hooked him again. I have to imagine John is in the same predicament. Addiction man, it sucks.

Yes .You got a point there.I never got into smoking habit.Thank goodness.Sorry to hear about you dad.Between smoking and drinking and drugs.Its hard to quit them.

[SisterNightroad]

Just today I heard on the news that the WHO stated cigarettes are the 7th most dangerous addiction.

[michelej1]

Shouldn't we be talking about the music rather than what the guy does in his personal life?!?



They don't have any new music to talk about and there's nothing new to say about the old music. I own Gotta Band, but I don't really want to discuss it.

Michele

[michelej1]

Chill out guys .We suppose to love this band.

I'm not really all that committed to loving them. It's complicated.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

They don't have any new music to talk about and there's nothing new to say about the old music. I own Gotta Band, but I don't really want to discuss it.

Michele

I don't even want to listen to it, anymore.. :laugh:

[bombaysaffires]

I don't even want to listen to it, anymore.. :laugh:

yep.:distress:

[michelej1]

Last night I was thinking about John stuff and suddenly remembered that one writer, Rick McGrath, saying Mick told him John only had one kidney.

Man, I would tread lightly at this point in my life with one kidney. Also, I'd have tried to have more kids in case I needed a donor, some day! Ha.

Seriously though, he doesn't have any siblings.

Michele

[Macfanforever]

I'm not really all that committed to loving them. It's complicated.

Michele

More likely I agree.I had a headache the other night when I post it.

They are a complicated unit.Alot of years together .

[Macfanforever]

Last night I was thinking about John stuff and suddenly remembered that one writer, Rick McGrath, saying Mick told him John only had one kidney.

Man, I would tread lightly at this point in my life with one kidney. Also, I'd have tried to have more kids in case I needed a donor, some day! Ha.

Seriously though, he doesn't have any siblings.

Michele

Thats news to me.

[jenniferuk]

Last night I was thinking about John stuff and suddenly remembered that one writer, Rick McGrath, saying Mick told him John only had one kidney.

Man, I would tread lightly at this point in my life with one kidney. Also, I'd have tried to have more kids in case I needed a donor, some day! Ha.

Seriously though, he doesn't have any siblings.

Michele
Good memory--I forgot about the kidney mention. BLA (Bue letter archives) link for anyone interested--third paragraph. (I can spend ages rereading the BLA).

http://bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.php?page=index_v2&id=875&c=18