Has "Songbird" been cut?

[Andy Man]

Just wondering if the song has been cut completely from the set? Seems as if the last few shows have not included the song.

A real shame if in fact the band isn't playing it anymore...it's Christine's big moment and the big "classic Mac ending" that could finally happen again with this tour.

[jbrownsjr]

someone needs to ask Mick at the Meet and Greet

[Feather Blade]

No Songbird tonight in Greensboro and no Silver Springs either. :(

[bombaysaffires]

why the hell would they cut Songbird? (seems like that would fit with Chris having a hand injury-- couldn't exactly have her sing it while Brett plays…. but they came out and said the postponed shows were due to Stevie's voice….)

So what are they ending with, and what's the encore?

[michelej1]

why the hell would they cut Songbird?

She got tired of looking at Lindsey across that piano. She said, I can't take one more night of this!

Michele

[SteveMacD]

Because, you know, Lindsey couldn't just play it on guitar.

[AliceLover]

Chris hurt her hand and Stevie's been sick.

[MikeVielhaber]

Chris hurt her hand and Stevie's been sick.

It's ridiculous that they don't have backups to play instead, especially Stevie. Songbird is a unique song in the set so I can understand it being hard to replace.

[Feather Blade]

Last night the encore was World Turning (with that never-ending Mick drum solo), and they ended with Don't Stop. It was a little confusing at first because the coliseum took their time about turning the house lights back on and we weren't sure if they were REALLY finished or not.

[wheart]

No Songbird tonight in Greensboro and no Silver Springs either. :(

it was probably due to a curfew. If Chris could play during the entire show why couldn't she play Songbird? Doesn't make sense.

[kak125]

Last night the encore was World Turning (with that never-ending Mick drum solo), and they ended with Don't Stop. It was a little confusing at first because the coliseum took their time about turning the house lights back on and we weren't sure if they were REALLY finished or not.

Ugh that's awful! My in-laws were at the show and I feel bad that those songs were cut for them. One thing I am annoyed about is that their seats were in the front section A but they said they re-arranged the seating so their seats ended up being in second section of A. Craziness!

[Feather Blade]

it was probably due to a curfew. If Chris could play during the entire show why couldn't she play Songbird? Doesn't make sense.

You could be right. On the other hand, they've cut that song for four shows in a row now, it doesn't seem like they would have run into curfews that many times so close together. I was sorry to have missed seeing it. It was my first time seeing them with Christine, and that is such an iconic song for her. As to her playing the rest of the show fine; maybe Brett is taking on more of the playing duties than we are aware of? Just a thought... Having known that they had been cutting the song recently, we were prepared that we might not get that one, but Silver Springs was unexpected.

[Feather Blade]

Last night the encore was World Turning (with that never-ending Mick drum solo), and they ended with Don't Stop. It was a little confusing at first because the coliseum took their time about turning the house lights back on and we weren't sure if they were REALLY finished or not.

Ha! I quoted myself. Sorry to take things off topic for a moment, but regarding Mick's solo, I wanted to ask the folks that have seen previous shows this tour if during all those incoherent screams and grunts if he had been going on about "Are you ready for the Hanky Panky?!?!" I didn't remember hearing that when we had seen them in the past and it was just so weird/funny to hear last night.

[Feather Blade]

Ugh that's awful! My in-laws were at the show and I feel bad that those songs were cut for them. One thing I am annoyed about is that their seats were in section 1 but they said they re-arranged the seating so their seats ended up being in section 4. Craziness!

Oh no, I'm so sorry that happened to them. We had that situation years ago at a Pink Floyd show where we had paid what was a ton of money back then for freshly graduated college students, to get a really premium seat. We arrived at the venue to find out that once they set things up, they realized it was somehow going to be "obstructed view" (probably one of those giant stage props Floyd is fond of was placed somewhere inconvenient), and they had moved us to the much cheaper side stadium seats (with no refund or anything on the premium we had paid). We were on our honeymoon at the time and my brand new spouse was MAAAADDDD!!!! ;)

[kak125]

Ughh, I'm so sorry that happened to them. We had that situation years ago at a Pink Floyd show where we had paid what was a ton of money back then for freshly graduated college students, to get a really premium seat. We arrived at the venue to find out that once they set things up, they realized it was somehow going to be "obstructed view" (probably one of those giant stage props Floyd is fond of was placed someplace inconvenient), and they had moved us to the much cheaper side stadium seats (with no refund or anything on the premium we had paid) We were on our honeymoon at the time and my brand new spouse was MAAAADDDD!!!! ;)

Oh no that's awful! I would have been so pissed and would have had to yell at somebody that works there. That is ridiculous!!
I'm texting my mother-in-law now to see if there seats were still 23 rows back. I was thinking maybe they just moved the sections back a bit and re-numbered the rows. I do feel when they change your seats at the last minute that they should give you better ones to make up for it.

[wheart]

You could be right. On the other hand, they've cut that song for four shows in a row now, it doesn't seem like they would have run into curfews that many times so close together. I was sorry to have missed seeing it. It was my first time seeing them with Christine, and that is such an iconic song for her. As to her playing the rest of the show fine; maybe Brett is taking on more of the playing duties than we are aware of? Just a thought... Having known that they had been cutting the song recently, we were prepared that we might not get that one, but Silver Springs was unexpected.

Good point. I knew it was cut a few shows ago but not 4 in a row. That really stinks you didn't get to hear Songbird. Of all the songs to cut, that one should not even be a consideration, especially since it's Chris signature song and we haven't heard it for a long time. Really bad move. If they need to cut, cut a song that was in the set last year.

[vivfox]

Ha! I quoted myself. Sorry to take things off topic for a moment, but regarding Mick's solo

What I have noticed as long as I have been a FM fan is that the only audience members who enjoy Mick's solos seem to be the casual fans and maybe Chili D.:laugh:

[louielouie2000]

Anyone else starting to wonder if these cut songs might point to inter-band troubles? I wonder if all this incessant touring is unraveling the harmony in the firefly jar.

[wheart]

Anyone else starting to wonder if these cut songs might point to inter-band troubles? I wonder if all this incessant touring is unraveling the harmony in the firefly jar.

I don't. I think they really do care about their performances and their audience. Even if they were fighting, I don't think it would cause them to alter the show in any way. For what it's worth, they all seem pretty darn happy every night.

[michelej1]

Because, you know, Lindsey couldn't just play it on guitar.

Oh. Play it on guitar with no piano? I hadn't thought of that. And they. Old just explain to the audience that Chris injured her hand. Michele

[Macfanforever]

I think they are getting tired and running themselves down to the bone.They are not spring chickens anymore.

I feel sorry for you guys that attend the last part of this tour also feel sorry for FM not running at full output too.

I hope they will get enough charge "rest" in them to tour Europe later in May.

For World Turning .It could get boring at times.I've enjoyed it the last two show shows I attended.Love the digital effects and the voice looping's .

The fans that are not interesting go to the bathroom or get some refreshments.I like to know why Mick is not using his digital drum vest anymore.

I must of miss the info on Chris's hand.What happen to her hand.

[Feather Blade]

Oh. Play it on guitar with no piano? I hadn't thought of that. And they. Old just explain to the audience that Chris injured her hand. Michele

Hope this doesn't sound too simplistic, but why not have Brett play the piano and Christine sing the song? Perhaps not the same impact as if she was able to do both, but I don't see why an injured hand should hamper just singing it. He is there to provide extra support where needed after all. I know that I for one would have preferred to hear her perform it whether she was able to do both parts or not.

[nicepace]

What I have noticed as long as I have been a FM fan is that the only audience members who enjoy Mick's solos seem to be the casual fans and maybe Chili D.

Wrong. I looooove Mick's drum solos. There has always been a Mick drum solo and there always will be a Mick drum solo.

[nicepace]

As a dyed in the wool Christine fan, I would have been extremely upset if they had cut "Songbird" in the show I saw. But I think I would have had very mixed feelings if she had sung it with Brett playing the piano. Christine's playing is a big percentage of what I like about her, and subtracting that from her signature song would make the song much less wonderful. But, still better than leaving it out altogether, I think.

Again, we see that these musicians are sadly inflexible about the way they do things.

[BigAl84]

I'm going to speculate and say that the story of Stevie having a sore throat was not in fact the real issue. Maybe Chris has a finger issue and she's okay with a keyboard, but can't handle a normal piano until whatever issue heals. They are probably all exhausted and decided to axe silver springs while they were at it.

They may have been concerned about being criticized with having a backing musician fill in for Chris, if in fact that is what they are doing to a certain extent. Defer the attention to a sore throat and try to proceed as best as possible.

Again, total speculation.

[BigAl84]

not to beat a dead horse, it is a shame they didn't have the sense to curtail the length of this tour. They are going to tap out the market, even if they did finish the album in the next year...I think moving tickets could be a challenge. They should of left some meat on the bone for a second leg when the album is done. But that would require planning & vision, not something this band does well lol.

[elle]

they cut the Songbird for the last few shows because of Christine's hurt hand.

they cut Seven Wonders at UVA show, and both Seven Wonders and Silver Springs in Gboro because of Stevie's throat not being all the way better yet.

at UVA, she had to lower / talk-sing part of Silver Springs. they probably decided to try to save her voice so she can properly recuperate.

i expect all these songs will be back but who knows.


as far as somebody's speculation of trouble between band members, from what i heard and saw, they all seem to be in much better place now than they were couple of weeks ago.

[wheart]

they cut the Songbird for the last few shows because of Christine's hurt hand.

they cut Seven Wonders at UVA show, and both Seven Wonders and Silver Springs in Gboro because of Stevie's throat not being all the way better yet.

at UVA, she had to lower / talk-sing part of Silver Springs. they probably decided to try to save her voice so she can properly recuperate.

i expect all these songs will be back but who knows.


as far as somebody's speculation of trouble between band members, from what i heard and saw, they all seem to be in much better place now than they were couple of weeks ago.

I wouldn't be heartbroken if Seven Wonders didn't come back.:)

[FuzzyPlum]

Hope this doesn't sound too simplistic, but why not have Brett play the piano and Christine sing the song? Perhaps not the same impact as if she was able to do both, but I don't see why an injured hand should hamper just singing it. He is there to provide extra support where needed after all. I know that I for one would have preferred to hear her perform it whether she was able to do both parts or not.

...or do something completely different and just sing it with Lindsey's acoustic guitar accompaniment. If its good enough for Eva Cassidy...

...this band though...

[wheart]

...or do something completely different and just sing it with Lindsey's acoustic guitar accompaniment. If its good enough for Eva Cassidy...

...this band though...

yes but then they would have to rehearse it with just Lindsey for a few weeks at least...just to get it right.:laugh::laugh:

[bombaysaffires]

Chris has been on record in several interviews prior to the start of this tour saying that she was not a fan of doing Songbird at the end of the show. She said she always was surprised they didn't want to end on something more upbeat, and do Songbird somewhere in the middle of the set (like Landslide I guess). But the rest of the band always wanted it at the end. Maybe it is cut because of her hand (the song isn't just about her singing it but the whole experience of her out there by herself with that big grand piano… and now with LB on guitar and just the two of them having that moment together so having Brett play it would change that whole dynamic) but I wonder if she's not also saying, 'see, we don't have to end with it, the fans aren't freaking out". I think people just want to hear it somewhere, not always at the end, but of course others may feel differently. Just saying she might not be unhappy about closing with something different, which would be her preference anyway. Maybe she's just trying to get them to break the mold :nod:

[Macfan4life]

Oh wow... this sucks. You are all raining on my parade. My dream was to hear Songbird live one more time before I die. It looks like that is not going to happen :( I see them this Saturday.
I can see this scenario. "If Chris does not do an encore, than Stevie says she should not do an encore." Its great for them that it cuts short the show a bit and is Stevie being nice for not taking over the show.

Oh my...... what a downer :(

[AliceLover]

Say what? Seven Wonders was cut?

[michelej1]

Just saying she might not be unhappy about closing with something different, which would be her preference anyway.

I don't think that's really her preference. I think she originally shrank at the idea of being out there front, center and alone for a slow song at the end, but I conclude that she grew to become accustomed to it, which is why she closed with it on her solo tour (although it's not the last song on the video album). I don't think she does it as the anchor spot under sufferance, but she's not going to come out and say, "Stand back, suckers. I'm the one who closes this show!"

I mean, I just think she's politely leaving the door open for them to change it if they like, but I don't think she really objects.

Michele

[welcomechris]

Say what? Seven Wonders was cut?

It doesn't look like they played it last night according 2 setlist fm

[DauphineMarie]

It doesn't look like they played it last night according 2 setlist fm

If Seven Wonders is cut, I won't be completely distraught. However, they should replace it with something else like *cough* new material *cough*

[aleuzzi]

What I have noticed as long as I have been a FM fan is that the only audience members who enjoy Mick's solos seem to be the casual fans and maybe Chili D.:laugh:

I too love the drum solos. I think Mik does an incredible job being inventive without being too flashy. Very tasteful and exciting.

[Feather Blade]

Can anyone who went to Nashville last night report if the set list was back to normal yet?

[wondergirl9847]

kak125 posted this in the Nashville show thread:

"So looking at selist.fm it looks like Silver Springs was back last night but no Seven Wonders or Songbird again. I would have been so upset if my show had those songs missing."

Nashville setlist (http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/fleetwood-mac/2015/bridgestone-arena-nashville-tn-3cb393b.html)

[wheart]

kak125 posted this in the Nashville show thread:

"So looking at selist.fm it looks like Silver Springs was back last night but no Seven Wonders or Songbird again. I would have been so upset if my show had those songs missing."

Nashville setlist (http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/fleetwood-mac/2015/bridgestone-arena-nashville-tn-3cb393b.html)

So if Chris' hand is so messed up she can't play SB, should we be led to believe that Brett is playing keys for the entire show and she's just faking it?

[Feather Blade]

kak125 posted this in the Nashville show thread:

"So looking at selist.fm it looks like Silver Springs was back last night but no Seven Wonders or Songbird again. I would have been so upset if my show had those songs missing."

Nashville setlist (http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/fleetwood-mac/2015/bridgestone-arena-nashville-tn-3cb393b.html)

Thanks for sharing that. I hope the problems clear up soon and things get back to normal. (Well, unless they chose to replace some songs with things we haven't heard over and over again, but we know that won't happen with this band) ;)

[MacFan77]

Darn I'm sorry to hear that they shaved the set list by 2 songs. Luckily I saw the full set list last year but will be seeing them again in St Louis next week. Was really looking forward to the full 24 song set list including Seven Wonders and Songbird. It must be a sign they are getting worn down. I wish they would have built in more breaks rather than down-sizing the set list. :(

[Macfanforever]

Darn I'm sorry to hear that they shaved the set list by 2 songs. Luckily I saw the full set list last year but will be seeing them again in St Louis next week. Was really looking forward to the full 24 song set list including Seven Wonders and Songbird. It must be a sign they are getting worn down. I wish they would have built in more breaks rather than down-sizing the set list. :(


I agree They should of spread the dates out for they have more rest between shows time. At this point I think the whole band is overworked.
I hope they have enough energy to get them to do the European tour.
Now I see they just added the NZ and Aussie dates.

Thanks for sharing that. I hope the problems clear up soon and things get back to normal. (Well, unless they chose to replace some songs with things we haven't heard over and over again, but we know that won't happen with this band) ;)

Yea i agree.Yea how bout "Hold Me". Chris probably cant play it herself.

[Andy Man]

Glad I saw them in Toronto when the full set was still on. Not sure if the whole "injured hand" thing is the reason behind the "Songbird" cut. Christine does have a pretty intense piano shuffle solo during "Don't Stop" which would require a pretty healthy player.

Seems as if the band is saving some energy for the UK tour. I would find it hard to believe that "Songbird" will not be a part of the London and UK shows as it has been even longer since fans there have been able to witness the song (and all of Christine's material).

[bombaysaffires]

I guess I was thinking of Chris' interview with Johnnie Walker about Songbird, just before they announced her return.

JW: And another song that often used to end Fleetwood Mac concerts was Songbird.

CM: (makes a kind of quiet laugh/exhale sort of sound). Yeah.

JW: Why do you react to that like that?

CM: Well, because I just felt that…. look, it became absolutely…part of the show that I had to go and do Sonbird at the end of the concert and I could never figure it out why couldn't we do it, sort of … second from last encore and then do… something rousing at the end. But they always thought it was great to end with that. But you could hear a pin drop when I sang that song and uh…. it just seemed to really move people to hear that at the very end. Seemed to calm people down, rather than get them pumped up. They would applaud and the whole band would come back on and bow. And people just left quietly coz it just seemed to be calming.

[michelej1]

CM: Well, because I just felt that…. look, it became absolutely…part of the show that I had to go and do Sonbird at the end of the concert and I could never figure it out why couldn't we do it, sort of … second from last encore and then do… something rousing at the end. But they always thought it was great to end with that. But you could hear a pin drop when I sang that song and uh…. it just seemed to really move people to hear that at the very end. Seemed to calm people down, rather than get them pumped up. They would applaud and the whole band would come back on and bow. And people just left quietly coz it just seemed to be calming.

Yes, I know what she said. I knew what you were referencing. I just don't think she really dislikes the placement that much.

For some reason, they like the calming. I mean SN and LB do the same thing in their solo shows. CM did it in hers. Was that because she thought fans expected it and couldn't deviate?

Michele

[bombaysaffires]

Yes, I know what she said. I knew what you were referencing. I just don't think she really dislikes the placement that much.

For some reason, they like the calming. I mean SN and LB do the same thing in their solo shows. CM did it in hers. Was that because she thought fans expected it and couldn't deviate?

Michele


yes I figured you did.

It just seemed rather unambiguous to me that if not going along with the rest of the band or advisers or whoever else, she would prefer to go with a more rousing song as the very last piece the audience hears. She's made her opinions known to the band, but doesn't feel strongly enough about it to put up a fight about it. :shrug:

[FuzzyPlum]

Darn I'm sorry to hear that they shaved the set list by 2 songs. Luckily I saw the full set list last year but will be seeing them again in St Louis next week. Was really looking forward to the full 24 song set list including Seven Wonders and Songbird. It must be a sign they are getting worn down. I wish they would have built in more breaks rather than down-sizing the set list. :(

Hmmmm. Surely that wouldn't make any sense. If they were feeling worn down why would they bother cutting a song like Songbird? Its not exactly a song that requires a high degree of energy and only 2 of the band members feature. I'm guessing Songbird is much more taxing song for Christine's fingers.
Hope its back by the time they get to London.

They should surprise us and play I Don't Want To Know as a closer.

[michelej1]

yes I figured you did.

It just seemed rather unambiguous to me that if not going along with the rest of the band or advisers or whoever else, she would prefer to go with a more rousing song as the very last piece the audience hears. She's made her opinions known to the band, but doesn't feel strongly enough about it to put up a fight about it. :shrug:

Why didn't she close with an upbeat song on her own tour?

Michele

[bombaysaffires]

Why didn't she close with an upbeat song on her own tour?

Michele

I don't know. You'd have to ask her. That was a long time ago. :shrug:

[michelej1]

I don't know. You'd have to ask her. That was a long time ago. :shrug:

Perhaps because she felt that "calming" was best to close her own show too and in keeping with her personality. And, specifically for a live show with the audience leaving, as she described. Which is why they didn't use it at the end of her video album, because it wouldn't have the same effect there.

Michele

[Macfan4life]

I am a bit confused. Are we talking about the Christine McVie video album? If so, Songbird is played at the end. She tells everyone Merry Christmas and will see everyone on the road soon.
Maybe other copies don't have this song? I have the VHS tape and it includes songbird.

Is the injured finger speculation? Does anyone know if anything happened and how?

I think they just wanted to shorten the set a bit and decided to drop one encore and another song.

Songbird solo Country Club December 1983

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wkh82ceAk

[Macfanforever]

I am a bit confused. Are we talking about the Christine McVie video album? If so, Songbird is played at the end. She tells everyone Merry Christmas and will see everyone on the road soon.
Maybe other copies don't have this song? I have the VHS tape and it includes songbird.

Is the injured finger speculation? Does anyone know if anything happened and how?

I think they just wanted to shorten the set a bit and decided to drop one encore and another song.

Songbird solo Country Club December 1983

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wkh82ceAk


Me too .I must of missed it somewhere.Whats wrong with Chris's hand.Its still a mystery to me.Does she have carpel tunnel.

[michelej1]

I am a bit confused. Are we talking about the Christine McVie video album? If so, Songbird is played at the end. She tells everyone Merry Christmas and will see everyone on the road soon.
Maybe other copies don't have this song? I have the VHS tape and it includes songbird.

Is the injured finger speculation? Does anyone know if anything happened and how?

I think they just wanted to shorten the set a bit and decided to drop one encore and another song.

Songbird solo Country Club December 1983

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wkh82ceAk

Oh, no. Songbird is definitely on the video album. We were just talking about it's placement, whether it comes at the end or a little earlier in the set. Now, you mentioned the Country Club recording. At the live event, I don't think she ended with Songbird at the Country Club. I think she ended with Over My Head. Now, to me nothing is more rousing than OMH, but I don't think everyone feels that way. It's more of a "calming" closer as well. But it does have a sing-a-long vibe that Songbird doesn't have. Songbird is more of a listen.

Well, I sing along with OMH and that's not necessarily a good thing:laugh:.

But for her tour in 1984, she closed with Songbird.

Michele

[Macfan4life]

Oh, no. Songbird is definitely on the video album. We were just talking about it's placement, whether it comes at the end or a little earlier in the set. Now, you mentioned the Country Club recording. At the live event, I don't think she ended with Songbird at the Country Club. I think she ended with Over My Head. Now, to me nothing is more rousing than OMH, but I don't think everyone feels that way. It's more of a "calming" closer as well. But it does have a sing-a-long vibe that Songbird doesn't have. Songbird is more of a listen.

Well, I sing along with OMH and that's not necessarily a good thing:laugh:.

But for her tour in 1984, she closed with Songbird.

Michele
Interesting
At the end of Songbird she wishes everyone well and thanks them for their support and says they are going on tour. It looks like a closer to me. Unless she closed with Songbird and came back for OMH for an encore.

On her 1984 tour she never did OMH and did close with songbird.

[michelej1]

Interesting
At the end of Songbird she wishes everyone well and thanks them for their support and says they are going on tour. It looks like a closer to me. Unless she closed with Songbird and came back for OMH for an encore.

On her 1984 tour she never did OMH and did close with songbird.

You nailed it. She came back with SYLM and OMH as an encore. Now SYLM is the more upbeat of those 2, but she chose OMH to end, rather than SYLM. But I think she wanted a different vibe for the recording audience than she may have wanted for the tour. Or maybe she didn't like the response closing with OMH got and so the Country Club was the test audience and she switched it up after gauging their reaction.


Michele

[nicole21290]

Songbird and Seven Wonders out of the set again tonight, apparently.

[Macfan4life]

Songbird and Seven Wonders out of the set again tonight, apparently.
You beat me to the punch :)
The Stevie speech is gone too.
Check out my full Miami review in the Miami thread.

[bombaysaffires]

goodness, what a mountain we've made out that little molehill!

It is interesting that folks are fixated on something Christine did thirty years ago rather than what actually came out of her mouth about the subject sometime last year.

The point is, people do change their feelings about things over three whole decades. What one feels about something in 1984 just might not be how one feels about it in 2014. I know I've changed my opinions on things over long periods of time. Maybe that's just me. :shrug:

Anyway the fact is the song seems to be out of the set and continues to remain out of the set for some unknown reason. It will be interesting to see if it comes back.

[Macfan4life]

A Fleetwood Mac concert without Songbird is like a day without sunshine. Impossible to believe. I am leaning towards the part where Chris's hand may be hurt. She would take off a black half glove and put it back on at different times. I saw her have it on during the maraccas on World Turning and then take it off to play keyboards during Don't Stop. So I thought she was padding her hands for the maraccas. But I was looking at photos from last night and Chris did not wear this glove during the maraccas on Everywhere. So it may be some sort of hand injury glove (carpal tunnel).
Fleetwood Mac has NEVER played concerts without closing with Songbird.

[vivfox]

I never liked the song, Songbird. So really, Viv could care less.

[michelej1]

goodness, what a mountain we've made out that little molehill!

It is interesting that folks are fixated on something Christine did thirty years ago rather than what actually came out of her mouth about the subject sometime last year.



I'm not fixated on it at all. I just don't think she minds the placement of the song. It's that simple. I said that. You came back with quotes to prove otherwise and I don't think that quote is dispositive and certainly not an indication that the song has been cut because she doesn't like it coming at the end.

For me, the song is emotionally pleasing, but as a song on its own merit, it does not do too much for me, so I don't care whether it returns or not.

Do I think it works at the end? For FM yes. Farmer's Daughter works at the end. They all tend to like quiet songs at the end of their solo and band sets. Those work for them.

On the other hand, I found Don't Stop would have worked at the end of the Dance on that video. I loved it when they just stopped playing, put down their instruments and walked off the stage. If there hadn't been an encore I would have though that exit was perfectly cool.

At any rate, since Christine only had one tour I'll probably focus on it a lot whenever a similar subject about song setlist preferences for Ms. McVie comes up. There are no other tours to draw from for her. Don't take it as fixation.

As for making a mountain out of molehill. When there is daily discussion and not daily activity, you tend to talk about the same things a lot, because there's not a lot happening. It's the same thing that happens on cable tv. Christine's feelings about Songbird might be as interesting as Harrison's plane crash on an FM fan board.

Michele

[bombaysaffires]

I'm not fixated on it at all. I just don't think she minds the placement of the song. It's that simple. I said that. You came back with quotes to prove otherwise and I don't think that quote is dispositive and certainly not an indication that the song has been cut because she doesn't like it coming at the end.



Michele

actually, I said it sounded like the song was cut because her hand was hurt, but that she might not mind not closing with it because it might help her make a point to the band that they can end with another song.

'Fixation' was in reference to the insistence that she must feel the same way about a song, or it's placement in a set, in 2014 as she did in 1984, disregarding her own words.

As for talking about the same things a lot in a forum, I agree that's part of the whole purpose of fan boards and am as guilty as charged as anyone else on here in that regard.

In terms of the song itself, I personally like it well enough but don't think the set suffers either way. I know others love the song and miss it.

And if her hand has been injured, I hope it's not anything that has anything more than temporary impact on her performing.

[elle]

In terms of the song itself, I personally like it well enough but don't think the set suffers either way. I know others love the song and miss it.

And if her hand has been injured, I hope it's not anything that has anything more than temporary impact on her performing.

yeah i'm at the same time hoping (since that would mean it will be back!) and worried that it's her hand injury that's keeping them from doing Songbird.

i'm one of the people who loved it, especially how they were performing it this year, and their show is not the same without it.

Little Lies and Songbird were huge highlights on this tour for me, and i was sad when i realized they just went straight into Silver Springs and final bows and my last show ended up without hearing Songbird once again. then again, i really shouldn't complain since i got to experience it at other shows, unlike people who had only one show and it was not there.

i hope it will be back at least by the time of the UK, if not before.

[michelej1]

'Fixation' was in reference to the insistence that she must feel the same way about a song, or it's placement in a set, in 2014 as she did in 1984, disregarding her own words.


Her 2014 comment doesn't indicate a change of heart. It would suggest that she has always felt the same way about the song and just could never understand why they placed it where they did. Not like she used to like it as an end song and now she doesn't.

You know what I think that Christine has always felt about Songbird?? SHY.

From the time she says the "boys" convinced her to record it by herself and they rented a place for her to do it with the magnificent piano. She felt self-conscious by her own admission. You know what else I think she felt? Flattered.

I'm not disregarding her 2014 comment. I put it right alongside everything else that she's said about Songbird. In fact, I seldom discard anything any of them say about anything. I just may not agree with you and others about the conclusions to be drawn. We were just talking about Stevie and Christine's relationship in another thread. I think our opinions about what the relationship is is based on more than what they've SAID it is.

What did Stevie mean when she said she could only play Landslide once. You had an opinion on that, because after all these years of following the band, you think you can interpret Stevie to some extent. I think I can interpret them too, even though I may be quite wrong.

The guy mentioned that Christine closed the show with Songbird and she gave a look. Why did she look funny? I think it is because singling that out, singling her out, makes her feel a little self-conscious and she felt the need to pooh pooh the significance of closing.

No, I don't think she's going to come out and say that she feels good that the band likes her to close the show, but I think she does. Her manner is self-deprecating at all times. She puts her albums down. She doesn't like the Christine Perfect album. She doesn't like Meantime. When asked about the 1984 album she didn't say the band loved it. She said, "They all said they loved the album, and I have no reason to doubt them." [BTW Christine said that she hadn't heard feedback from Stevie about her solo album at all, had not seen Stevie in a year, in fact].

She's not like Lindsey who claims they've all told him that Tusk is their favorite album. I don't believe this. I think Mick has said that to him. I think Stevie has indicated that to him in more recent years. I don't know enough about what John might say or not say to have a strong opinion, but I'd be surprised if John said that to him. I am SURE that Christine did not say that to him.

I remember an SYW interview where the questioner said to Lindsey, "So you're the leader of the band" and he said, 'well, I don't think anyone wants to say I'm the leader...' Well, I am pretty sure that when it came to SYW, at least, Lindsey DID think he was the leader. He just didn't feel like saying, "yep. That's right, baby."

You know I have all kinds of opinions about what they say, what they infer and what the truth is -- which is different. My opinions are not the same as yours. But I'm not ignoring her 2014 comment at all. I'm not going to ignore anything the dame says, having not heard he say anything at all for almost 10 years.

Michele

[Macfan4life]

I may have solved the mystery of the disappearing Songbird. As I mentioned earlier Christine wore a black glove when she was not playing keyboards and using maraccas during World Turning. I saw her take this black half glove off for Don't Stop. I was watching earlier shows and for World Turning she did not wear his half glove. I am guessing she is suffering from some sort of carpal tunnel. She probably could play Songbird but piano keys take much more pressure than electric keyboards. If she does have this condition it would make the condition that much worse.
I would not expect to hear Songbird for the rest of the North American tour. Maybe in Europe or Australia but it really depends on how she is doing. They have done 67 concerts in 6 months. Its a lot of finger depressions for hours each night.
I hope she has a full recovery.

[michelej1]

I may have solved the mystery of the disappearing Songbird. As I mentioned earlier Christine wore a black glove when she was not playing keyboards and using maraccas during World Turning. I saw her take this black half glove off for Don't Stop. I was watching earlier shows and for World Turning she did not wear his half glove. I am guessing she is suffering from some sort of carpal tunnel. She probably could play Songbird but piano keys take much more pressure than electric keyboards. If she does have this condition it would make the condition that much worse.


So, I wonder if Seven Wonders is connected to Songbird? I mean, does Seven Wonders require anything extraordinary on the piano? Or is that just an unrelated drop. Certainly, I think Seven Wonders got a nice audience response and its exit cannot be explained the way Destiny Rules or DLMDA's were.

Michele

[Macfan4life]

So, I wonder if Seven Wonders is connected to Songbird? I mean, does Seven Wonders require anything extraordinary on the piano? Or is that just an unrelated drop. Certainly, I think Seven Wonders got a nice audience response and its exit cannot be explained the way Destiny Rules or DLMDA's were.

Michele
I just think they dropped 7 Wonders to shorten the set. This usually happens in the Mac world and especially Stevie's tour world.
Songbird is such a Mac staple there is no way they would drop that song at the end. I just think Chris is in pain playing the piano and could make her hand worse. But hopefully someone will ask Mick this question. This is just my speculation. Christine does not wear one glove to be cool or something.

[nicepace]

She puts her albums down. She doesn't like the Christine Perfect album. She doesn't like Meantime.

I've heard that Christine doesn't like the Christine Perfect album, but In the Meantime? I've never heard that she disliked that album, and I'd be interested to find out what the source is for that information.

[michelej1]

I've heard that Christine doesn't like the Christine Perfect album, but In the Meantime? I've never heard that she disliked that album, and I'd be interested to find out what the source is for that information.

To be accurate, she actually didn't say that she disliked the album. She said it wasn't very good.

Michele

[michelej1]

Here's the quote:

I did make a solo album in my house when I was there. And because I was just afraid of flying, I wouldn’t promote it and I wouldn’t tour. Actually, it wasn’t a very good album anyway — it got buried underneath the pits of Hell, I suppose [laughs].

[PenguinHead]

I never liked the song, Songbird. So really, Viv could care less.

:laugh: Are you now referring to yourself in second person? It's so very Stevie-ish.

[michelej1]

:laugh: Are you now referring to yourself in second person? It's so very Stevie-ish.

Yeah, Viv. I noticed that. Oh my goodness, I'd have to die if Stevie ever started doing that.

Michele

[Macfan4life]

To be accurate, she actually didn't say that she disliked the album. She said it wasn't very good.

Michele
When I first read that several months ago, I was deeply hurt and offended. In The Meantime is a masterpiece and so happy she did that album. No filler, no padding, every song is wonderful. Just because an album does not sell does not mean it is bad.

Stevie bashes Street Angel mostly because of her fight with the producer and it did not sell well. But I think it is a wonderful album and I get mad when I hear her bash it.

In the Meantime has some of the best lyrics of Christine's career. For the first time you hear her get angry and bitter in a song... in Liar.

[nicepace]

When I first read that several months ago, I was deeply hurt and offended. In The Meantime is a masterpiece and so happy she did that album. No filler, no padding, every song is wonderful. Just because an album does not sell does not mean it is bad.

I agree. I can't believe Christine really thinks the album is bad. Sometimes people put themselves down because they are shy about their success. Or they are fishing for a compliment. There are a thousand reasons (psychologically speaking) why someone might belittle their own work. I don't think this sort of false modesty is very becoming to Christine.

In the Meantime has some of the best lyrics of Christine's career. For the first time you hear her get angry and bitter in a song... in Liar.

I agree. There are some great lyrics on this album. I wish that there were a way to know which writer was responsible for which part of a song. If I am remembering correctly, "You Are" is the only song on that album that Chris wrote without a co-writer. All the other songs are co-written with others (or are entirely written by others).

[vivfox]

I never liked the song, Songbird. So really, Viv could care less.


:laugh: Are you now referring to yourself in second person? It's so very Stevie-ish.


Yeah, Viv. I noticed that. Oh my goodness, I'd have to die if Stevie ever started doing that.

Both your quotes amuse me and both are truer than never.:)

[jbrownsjr]

Yeah, Viv. I noticed that. Oh my goodness, I'd have to die if Stevie ever started doing that.

Michele

I can hear her doing it in my head!! Make it stop!! :D

[StevieNicksfann]

I just think they dropped 7 Wonders to shorten the set. This usually happens in the Mac world and especially Stevie's tour world.
Songbird is such a Mac staple there is no way they would drop that song at the end. I just think Chris is in pain playing the piano and could make her hand worse. But hopefully someone will ask Mick this question. This is just my speculation. Christine does not wear one glove to be cool or something.

Wait - has Seven Wonders been permanently dropped? I would be so livid if this was the case. That is the one Stevie song I have waited over 25 years to hear live. As much as I would hate for her to drop anything, Seven Wonders would eliminate the difference between this tour and the last tour. Grrr. Please tell me this is only temporary. Can anyone ask Mick?

[jbrownsjr]

Wait - has Seven Wonders been permanently dropped? I would be so livid if this was the case. That is the one Stevie song I have waited over 25 years to hear live. As much as I would hate for her to drop anything, Seven Wonders would eliminate the difference between this tour and the last tour. Grrr. Please tell me this is only temporary. Can anyone ask Mick?

It's not fair to the people that haven't seen the show, yet. I agree someone should ask Mick. Love Seven Wonders...

[FM77]

I don't care about Seven Wonders. It was very good live but she didn't write it. I am way more bummed about Songbird. That is really a shame. She sang that so well on this tour.

[AliceLover]

I don't care about Seven Wonders. It was very good live but she didn't write it. I am way more bummed about Songbird. That is really a shame. She sang that so well on this tour.

Any word on the status of the dropped songs?

[PenguinHead]

Yeah, Viv. I noticed that. Oh my goodness, I'd have to die if Stevie ever started doing that.

Michele

Well, I'm glad you are still alive, because Stevie, on occasion, has referred to herself in that manner.

[Macfanforever]

Hold Me,Hold Me, Hold Me.Have Brett play the keys and Chris can sing it.

I wonder if they are going to make a setlist adjustment when they do the tour in Europe in May.

I doubt it.

[mottabam]

Same set in Orlando as Lauderdale. Shorter set works in my opinion but I do enjoy Seven Wonders and Songbird. Just too many songs I guess. Great energy tonight. Really enjoyed it. They all looked great and sounded wonderful.

[bethelblues]

So do they bring Songbird back for LA? The band knows the big markets are way more important. What a total bummer it's been dropped. I'm very glad I saw the full 24-song concert.

[michelej1]

Well, I'm glad you are still alive, because Stevie, on occasion, has referred to herself in that manner.

Well, recently when talking about dating a younger man she said something like she couldn't go out publicly because of who she is and she may have called herself Stevie Nicks, but she doesn't go around saying, "Stevie likes poodles" or anything like that.

Michele

[The Juggler]

I'm going to be so bummed if Seven Wonders is cut from the list when they come to Ireland. It's in my Top 10 favourite FM songs.

[mtkad]

I noticed Stevie's not going for the GDW wail in the past show or 2. I'm guessing they're quite tired now due to this being a bloody big tour, hence the shorter set etc. Hopefully the pre UK rest will do them good, and we'll get the full set again