There will never be a new Fleetwood Mac album

[secret love]

I think it's about time we faced up to the reality that the chances of a new Fleetwood Mac album are slim to none. Many fans will remember Lindsey Buckingham talking about putting out a new Fleetwood Mac album after the 2009 tour. Obviously that never eventuated.

I don't know if any other Ledgies realise this, but Fleetwood Mac is very unlikely to make much money from the sales of a new album. I think realistically the best they can hope for is Gold sales status. Look at Say You Will, it's taken eleven years for it to reach Platinum sales status (or close to it).

From the band's point of view, they can make much more money from touring.

If they were serious about wanting to release a new album, then why not include two new songs in the current tour set list?

I don't know about anyone else but it drives me crazy hearing from the media that there are new Fleetwood Mac songs and knowing that I'm unlikely to ever hear them.

Why haven't they included Too Far Gone or How I Feel or Carnival Begin or Red Sun in the set?

I don't think the band would release an album without Stevie songs on it and as she appears to have no interest in working in the studio with the band:

The best we can hope for is a new solo Lindsey album and a new solo Christine album.

[welcomechris]

I think it's about time we faced up to the reality that the chances of a new Fleetwood Mac album are slim to none. Many fans will remember Lindsey Buckingham talking about putting out a new Fleetwood Mac album after the 2009 tour. Obviously that never eventuated.

I don't know if any other Ledgies realise this, but Fleetwood Mac is very unlikely to make much money from the sales of a new album. I think realistically the best they can hope for is Gold sales status. Look at Say You Will, it's taken eleven years for it to reach Platinum sales status (or close to it).

From the band's point of view, they can make much more money from touring.

If they were serious about wanting to release a new album, then why not include two new songs in the current tour set list?

I don't know about anyone else but it drives me crazy hearing from the media that there are new Fleetwood Mac songs and knowing that I'm unlikely to ever hear them.

Why haven't they included Too Far Gone or How I Feel or Carnival Begin or Red Sun in the set?

I don't think the band would release an album without Stevie songs on it and as she appears to have no interest in working in the studio with the band:

The best we can hope for is a new solo Lindsey album and a new solo Christine album.

Gee thanks for scaring the S*** out of me :lol:
Let's not try scaring people with the name of our threads! Your thread title is like "Christine is dying" and then you write something like "Lets face it, they are all going to die one day :eek::lol:

Anyway, Lindsey just said in some interview that stevie will come in and lindsey has been writing recently! They're not in the setlist because they are not done yet (have you heard the early live version of GYOW? eeek!) they aren't done yet and people don't one unfinished music.

[PenguinHead]

I understand and appreciate you expressing your feelings, but it doesn't seem right to post your opinion as fact. "Will there ever be a new album?" would have be more appropriate.

The best we have to hope for is the patience to wait. In the world of Fleetwood Mac, nothing happens quickly, so our expectations are just planned disappointments.The speculation ofwhat they will do/should do scenarios can (and will) go on endlessly until the tour finally ends.

I'm happy for the legions of fans who are getting to see the group back together with Christine. But when the tour is over, all that we will have left are memories (and probably a pricey commemorative DVD/CD of one of the shows). Lindsey calls this a "profound" chapter in the band--but I call it a snap judgment and shameless move motivated by money.

As artists, I would assumed their desire to create and record a new album would overrule embarking on a huge tour, less than a year from their last tour of redundancy. This would have allowed Stevie time/space to promote her album, letting her feel less constrained by group demands, and making her more amenable to working on a new Fleetwood Mac album, which could be released and toured in the spring of next year. As I've said before, a show is just a fleeting moment in time, but an album is timeless. Which one would you prefer?

[WatchChain]

I respectfully disagree. I think there will be one more Fleetwood Mac studio album with the Rumours 5. Though it may not happen until 2016, I think this project will see the light of day.

I think 24 Karat Gold is the LAST SOLO ALBUM that Stevie owed Warner/Reprise Records. I think the release of that album has fulfilled her contract with them. As far as record labels go, she may be a free agent soon. I just read the other day she said that this record was made simply to fulfill an "obligation" to her record company. Whether or not she will want to head into the studio with Mac next year is anyone's guess. This woman changes her mind like the weather. BUT, I think she'll give in late next year and decide to contribute three new songs to a MAC record.

[aleuzzi]

I respectfully disagree. I think there will be one more Fleetwood Mac studio album with the Rumours 5. Though it may not happen until 2016, I think this project will see the light of day.

I think 24 Karat Gold is the LAST SOLO ALBUM that Stevie owed Warner/Reprise Records. I think the release of that album has fulfilled her contract with them. As far as record labels go, she may be a free agent soon. I just read the other day she said that this record was made simply to fulfill an "obligation" to her record company. Whether or not she will want to head into the studio with Mac next year is anyone's guess. This woman changes her mind like the weather. BUT, I think she'll give in late next year and decide to contribute three new songs to a MAC record.

I have to believe you. I hope, hope, hope....

[MikeVielhaber]

Anyway, Lindsey just said in some interview that stevie will come in and lindsey has been writing recently! They're not in the setlist because they are not done yet (have you heard the early live version of GYOW? eeek!) they aren't done yet and people don't one unfinished music.

Which interview was this?

[HomerMcvie]

There's a new Et*** in town....

[Sanne2]

stating opinions as facts = not cool.

[pauls90]

This is so overly dramatic.

Why are you just making this just about money? And do you think they're stupid? They know the state of the industry. Most artists these days aren't making the majority of their money from albums, but they're making them anyway. Lindsey and Christine obviously had a fantastic time working together again. It seems they are excited about CREATING together again. If they need money, they'll just tour (like they're doing now, grossing almost $2 Million a show).

Except for maybe Mick, I don't think they're just driven by how much an album will sell. Maybe for their own artistic integrity they would just like to put out another project because they're artists.........

[louielouie2000]

I firmly believe there will be one last album from the band. This whole process of airing dirty laundry and public insinuations is classic, classic Fleetwood Mac. These kids have been drama queens since day one. 40+ years on, they're even more stubborn due to all the years of money, fame, power, and now they're old curmudgeons on top of all that. Of course recording an album wouldn't be easy or drama free. All the same, I don't think a one of them wants to close the book on the band without one last album. If the Eagles could pull it off, so can these guys. Not just that- since the Eagles put out one final album, you know the Mac will follow suit. This is why Christine came back, after all- so the band could put a nice neat bow on their history.

[pauls90]

I firmly believe there will be one last album from the band. This whole process of airing dirty laundry and public insinuations is classic, classic Fleetwood Mac. These kids have been drama queens since day one. 40+ years on, they're even more stubborn due to all the years of money, fame, power, and now they're old curmudgeons on top of all that. Of course recording an album wouldn't be easy or drama free. All the same, I don't think a one of them wants to close the book on the band without one last album. If the Eagles could pull it off, so can these guys. Not just that- since the Eagles put out one final album, you know the Mac will follow suit. This is why Christine came back, after all- so the band could put a nice neat bow on their history.

I completely agree. And I'm glad someone else agrees with me on the "public insinuations". I've seen a lot people arguing that these artists would never purposefully cause controversy and drama in the media to draw up interest in their projects...but it's what they've ALWAYS done. Why is this so unbelievable to people???

[James89]

They want to put out an album because they have all of the foundations of it pretty much done. They just need Stevie to contribute.

I hate it when people say about the album 'going Gold'. Have you seen the Billboard charts lately?

Veteran acts like them don't sell 500,000 copies of a new studio album anymore. Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers' new album sold about 250,000 copies and that included extra sales from concert tickets.

Pink Floyd's new album has sold approximately 220,000 copies in three weeks and they're a big selling album act. The album has plummeted as of today and is at #25 showing that the only way is down from now.

This new album if it does come out eventually, will debut at around #3 with strong first week sales of around 100,000, but after that it'll die and will sell around 200,000 copies +. It may be a different story in the UK however as album sales here for them are very strong and they are ALWAYS on the album charts. I think the album could sell around 100,000 copies here and would almost certainly go to #1.

The days of a new studio album going 'Gold' is extremely rare nowadays I'm afraid! :sorry:

[Macfanforever]

With all this drama .I think this band needs a reality show.I hate reality shows but I will be glued to the tube watching it.

[DauphineMarie]

thanks for bumming out our scene

I personally think this is a can of rubbish. They would be stupid if they decided not to try to put out out one last album. I'm sure they'll make it happen, despite any push back from Stevie, or whatever it might be. And yes, I would watch this soap opera too, on what my father used to call the idiot box! :lol:

[michelej1]

I completely agree. And I'm glad someone else agrees with me on the "public insinuations". I've seen a lot people arguing that these artists would never purposefully cause controversy and drama in the media to draw up interest in their projects...but it's what they've ALWAYS done. Why is this so unbelievable to people???

What the band has always done is talk to each other through the media. I don't really think they've made a point of purposefully causing controversy and drama to generate interest in their projects, from third parties.

For instance, although the Rumours soap opera garnered a lot of publicity, to say the very least, when they were promoting Tusk, they didn't pretend to be in conflict to sell Tusk. In fact, they tried to appear more unified than they actually were about Tusk, in the media.

Michele

[bombaysaffires]

With all this drama .I think this band needs a reality show.I hate reality shows but I will be glued to the tube watching it.

:lol: but sadly cameras would never capture what really goes on because they won't let it happen. anyone who thinks that the Tusk or Destiny Rules docs are not very, very sanitized is naive. If you watched the Tusk doc you'd think it was all pretty hunky-dory when most of the insider accounts of what it really was like talk about the fights and the yelling and the back and forth with Stevie and Lindsey; about the incredible tension between Stevie and Mick over Sara; the coke being passed around and so on. Did you see any of that on film? A resounding NO.

Even the DR doc… very watered down. They completely and totally skimmed right over the big fights over the final running order and length of the album, where Stevie threatened not to tour more than the original 40 dates if LB got his way.... The angry words flying across the ocean like some seabirds… Totally white washed.

A *real* doc like some other bands have done would be AMAZING. (The Metallica one was riveting and I'm not really even a fan). I would be absolutely glued to every episode!

[BlueDenimLamp]

:lol: but sadly cameras would never capture what really goes on because they won't let it happen. anyone who thinks that the Tusk or Destiny Rules docs are not very, very sanitized is naive. If you watched the Tusk doc you'd think it was all pretty hunky-dory when most of the insider accounts of what it really was like talk about the fights and the yelling and the back and forth with Stevie and Lindsey; about the incredible tension between Stevie and Mick over Sara; the coke being passed around and so on. Did you see any of that on film? A resounding NO.

Even the DR doc… very watered down. They completely and totally skimmed right over the big fights over the final running order and length of the album, where Stevie threatened not to tour more than the original 40 dates if LB got his way.... The angry words flying across the ocean like some seabirds… Totally white washed.

A *real* doc like some other bands have done would be AMAZING. (The Metallica one was riveting and I'm not really even a fan). I would be absolutely glued to every episode!

With the recent attention that certain male celebrities have gotten over their treatment of females I think any footage or accounts of certain members "outbursts" towards a certain female in the band would cause the band large amounts of unwanted negative publicity.

[michelej1]

With the recent attention that certain male celebrities have gotten over their treatment of females I think any footage of a certain members "outbursts" towards a certain female in the band would cause the band large amounts of unwanted negative publicity.

Other than New Zealand and the Tango argument no one has ever indicated that there have been any "outbursts" to capture on film.

People talk about Stevie and Lindsey yelling at each other, but that's about it.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

What the band has always done is talk to each other through the media. I don't really think they've made a point of purposefully causing controversy and drama to generate interest in their projects, from third parties.

For instance, although the Rumours soap opera garnered a lot of publicity, to say the very least, when they were promoting Tusk, they didn't pretend to be in conflict to sell Tusk. In fact, they tried to appear more unified than they actually were about Tusk, in the media.

Michele

Agreed, and during Tango.... "They were getting along better than ever..."

[MikeVielhaber]

Veteran acts like them don't sell 500,000 copies of a new studio album anymore. Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers' new album sold about 250,000 copies and that included extra sales from concert tickets.



I thought the rules for pairing albums with concert tickets is that it had to be optional and not for free. Tom Petty's album was free with every concert ticket. Pretty sure that doesn't count for sales.But maybe the rules have changed again.

[Macfanforever]

I thought the rules for pairing albums with concert tickets is that it had to be optional and not for free. Tom Petty's album was free with every concert ticket. Pretty sure that doesn't count for sales.But maybe the rules have changed again.

I remember some of the country acts were pairing up albums with the tix.

With those inflated tix prices .They can afford to throw in an album.

[pauls90]

I thought the rules for pairing albums with concert tickets is that it had to be optional and not for free. Tom Petty's album was free with every concert ticket. Pretty sure that doesn't count for sales.But maybe the rules have changed again.

I think the albums Madonna gave away with the purchase of concert tickets for her last album counted towards the album's sales.

[Fannymac]

I firmly believe there will be one last album from the band. This whole process of airing dirty laundry and public insinuations is classic, classic Fleetwood Mac. These kids have been drama queens since day one. 40+ years on, they're even more stubborn due to all the years of money, fame, power, and now they're old curmudgeons on top of all that. Of course recording an album wouldn't be easy or drama free. All the same, I don't think a one of them wants to close the book on the band without one last album. If the Eagles could pull it off, so can these guys. Not just that- since the Eagles put out one final album, you know the Mac will follow suit. This is why Christine came back, after all- so the band could put a nice neat bow on their history.

I completely agree. And I'm glad someone else agrees with me on the "public insinuations". I've seen a lot people arguing that these artists would never purposefully cause controversy and drama in the media to draw up interest in their projects...but it's what they've ALWAYS done. Why is this so unbelievable to people???

TOTALLY agree with you both! There's NO WAY they're not going to put out an album with everything that's already in the can, and there's NO WAY Stevie won't participate.....it would be career suicide!
As for not doing any new songs on THIS leg of the tour.....that was never the plan. This leg was meant as a warm up, allowing everyone to get their feet wet again, so to speak!
As far as I'm concerned, the best plans for the group would be to: A) Finish the album in early 2015, B) release it by late Spring/early Summer, then tour behind it for the rest of 2015.
After that, everyone could have 2016 off to do whatever they want.
Then, in 2017, regroup for the band's 50th anniversary. Do a tour and an album featuring every living member in the band's history.....Mick and John could be on each track, with the likes of Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer, Billy Burnette, Danny Kirwin, Rick Vito and Bekka Bramlett each handling a track, with Stevie, Christine and Lindsey taking on 1-3 each.
After 2017....it's anyone's call!

[Nick]

I understand and appreciate you expressing your feelings, but it doesn't seem right to post your opinion as fact. "Will there ever be a new album?" would have be more appropriate.

As I've said before, a show is just a fleeting moment in time, but an album is timeless.


Exactly. I hate when people post their negative random thoughts. You don't know sh*t, so don't act like you do.

I also agree with this last part. I would rather have another album or 2 and less concerts/tours.

[elle]

Exactly. I hate when people post their negative random thoughts. You don't know sh*t, so don't act like you do.

on the other hand, a "positive thought police" is just as annoying, if not more. self-righteousness is not necessarily very attractive. :lol:

people posting "negative" thoughts may be just venting their frustrations... for all we know it may be therapeutic for them.

we don't know whether this person knows something or not, so i'm not sure why we would be compelled to say they don't know sh*t.

[elle]

As far as I'm concerned, the best plans for the group would be to: A) Finish the album in early 2015, B) release it by late Spring/early Summer, then tour behind it for the rest of 2015.
After that, everyone could have 2016 off to do whatever they want.
Then, in 2017, regroup for the band's 50th anniversary. Do a tour and an album featuring every living member in the band's history.....Mick and John could be on each track, with the likes of Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer, Billy Burnette, Danny Kirwin, Rick Vito and Bekka Bramlett each handling a track, with Stevie, Christine and Lindsey taking on 1-3 each.
After 2017....it's anyone's call!

it's a nice plan, except they are booked solid from jan through mid-july already. and Mick just said at some m&g that they will be touring Australia some time in Nov 2015.

so the only time they have to finish the album (assuming they take aug off after working through jul) will be sept-oct 2015. i still hold a glimmer of hope that will happen, but if i'm realistic i would go with low expectations that are worded so eloquently by the title of this thread. ;)

[Nick]

on the other hand, a "positive thought police" is just as annoying, if not more. self-righteousness is not necessarily very attractive. :lol:

people posting "negative" thoughts may be just venting their frustrations... for all we know it may be therapeutic for them.

we don't know whether this person knows something or not, so i'm not sure why we would be compelled to say they don't know sh*t.

"Positive thought police"? Really? I'm hoping for/expecting a new studio album from them by late 2015. If I said the new album would sell more than Taylor Swift, then I could understand what you wrote. I'm certainly being realistic.

[michelej1]

I don't think there's a problem about posting negative random thoughts. I mean, where would the fun be without those?

But it is good to have a thread title that doesn't alarm. Michele

[Nick]

I don't think there's a problem about posting negative random thoughts. I mean, where would the fun be without those?

But it is good to have a thread title that doesn't alarm. Michele

I hear you, but at least post it as your opinion and not a fact. Misleading threads are the worst!

[secret love]

I understand and appreciate you expressing your feelings, but it doesn't seem right to post your opinion as fact. "Will there ever be a new album?" would have be more appropriate.

The best we have to hope for is the patience to wait. In the world of Fleetwood Mac, nothing happens quickly, so our expectations are just planned disappointments.The speculation ofwhat they will do/should do scenarios can (and will) go on endlessly until the tour finally ends.

I'm happy for the legions of fans who are getting to see the group back together with Christine. But when the tour is over, all that we will have left are memories (and probably a pricey commemorative DVD/CD of one of the shows). Lindsey calls this a "profound" chapter in the band--but I call it a snap judgment and shameless move motivated by money.

As artists, I would assumed their desire to create and record a new album would overrule embarking on a huge tour, less than a year from their last tour of redundancy. This would have allowed Stevie time/space to promote her album, letting her feel less constrained by group demands, and making her more amenable to working on a new Fleetwood Mac album, which could be released and toured in the spring of next year. As I've said before, a show is just a fleeting moment in time, but an album is timeless. Which one would you prefer?

Sorry about the click-bait thread title. I'd change it but I don't know how.

[elle]

"Positive thought police"?

yup. :thumbsup:

no not you necessarily! but i'm happy with expression. :lol:

[secret love]

They want to put out an album because they have all of the foundations of it pretty much done. They just need Stevie to contribute.

I hate it when people say about the album 'going Gold'. Have you seen the Billboard charts lately?

Veteran acts like them don't sell 500,000 copies of a new studio album anymore. Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers' new album sold about 250,000 copies and that included extra sales from concert tickets.

Pink Floyd's new album has sold approximately 220,000 copies in three weeks and they're a big selling album act. The album has plummeted as of today and is at #25 showing that the only way is down from now.

This new album if it does come out eventually, will debut at around #3 with strong first week sales of around 100,000, but after that it'll die and will sell around 200,000 copies +. It may be a different story in the UK however as album sales here for them are very strong and they are ALWAYS on the album charts. I think the album could sell around 100,000 copies here and would almost certainly go to #1.

The days of a new studio album going 'Gold' is extremely rare nowadays I'm afraid! :sorry:

That's why I said an album going 'Gold' is the best Fleetwood Mac can hope for... meaning it is unlikely they would even achieve that.

[secret love]

it's a nice plan, except they are booked solid from jan through mid-july already. and Mick just said at some m&g that they will be touring Australia some time in Nov 2015.

so the only time they have to finish the album (assuming they take aug off after working through jul) will be sept-oct 2015. i still hold a glimmer of hope that will happen, but if i'm realistic i would go with low expectations that are worded so eloquently by the title of this thread. ;)

Oh my God! Finally! They haven't forgotten us!

[elle]

Sorry about the click-bait thread title. I'd change it but I don't know how.

you can ask mods to change it for you.

i don't have a problem with your title and i'm one of the people here who's pushing for that album the most; of course it never occurred to me even for a sec that you were stating the fact (although it may eventually turn out to be one).

if one is so worried, as soon as they click on the title they'll find out very fast what it is about. not a rocket science. :D

[secret love]

you can ask mods to change it for you.

i don't have a problem with your title and i'm one of the people here who's pushing for that album the most; of course it never occurred to me even for a sec that you were stating the fact (although it may eventually turn out to be one).

if one is so worried, as soon as they click on the title they'll find out very fast what it is about. not a rocket science. :D

Very true. I'm a bit confused as to why people would think the thread title is a fact. It's not a quote from an article.

To me, as much as I would like a new album from the band, the cynic in me says it's not going to happen any time soon and it may not happen at all. If it's true that the band will be touring Australia and New Zealand in November 2015, any new album from the band would need to have its release date pushed back to 2016. I think by 2016 it will get to the stage where one or more of the band members is of the opinion, "why bother?"

Then we would probably get a new solo album from Lindsey and nothing else.

[tabruns]

on the other hand, a "positive thought police" is just as annoying, if not more. self-righteousness is not necessarily very attractive. :lol:

people posting "negative" thoughts may be just venting their frustrations... for all we know it may be therapeutic for them.

we don't know whether this person knows something or not, so i'm not sure why we would be compelled to say they don't know sh*t.

Because they don't, and Penguin Head was spot on to call out the person for posting speculated opinion as fact.

[tabruns]

That's why I said an album going 'Gold' is the best Fleetwood Mac can hope for... meaning it is unlikely they would even achieve that.

Could be....although a final Mac album with the Rumours group would be more noteworthy (I think) than the Eagles final album was....and that one went triple platinum.

[secret love]

Because they don't, and Penguin Head was spot on to call out the person for posting speculated opinion as fact.

I did not post my opinion as fact. Give me a break. I used a provocative headline for my thoughts. You seem to believe that just because something is posted on the Ledge it must be true...which is just stupid.

[BlueDenimLamp]

I did not post my opinion as fact. Give me a break. I used a provocative headline for my thoughts. You seem to believe that just because something is posted on the Ledge it must be true...which is just stupid.

If "EP" ends up being the final studio release then you opinion will be fact...

[gssmith]

Oh shut up!! All of you. I can say that with out even having to read a single post on this page. Now let me go back and read them so I can apologize later... Not! Some people just want to make a fuss. Haha including me right now ;)

[MikeVielhaber]

Very true. I'm a bit confused as to why people would think the thread title is a fact. It's not a quote from an article.


The implication is that you're summarizing some new bit of information that you're going share within the thread. It is stated as a fact. Nobody knows what the source is until they click on it. So that's why it would be perceived as one who has not yet read the thread.

[mitzo]

Very true. I'm a bit confused as to why people would think the thread title is a fact. It's not a quote from an article.

To me, as much as I would like a new album from the band, the cynic in me says it's not going to happen any time soon and it may not happen at all. If it's true that the band will be touring Australia and New Zealand in November 2015, any new album from the band would need to have its release date pushed back to 2016. I think by 2016 it will get to the stage where one or more of the band members is of the opinion, "why bother?"

Then we would probably get a new solo album from Lindsey and nothing else.

Or we will end up with an FM album which is basically a Lindsey solo effort with some songs by the others grafted on. Look at SYW - his contributions were totally Lindsey solo.

[Macfan4life]

I disagree with the OP and think this is all rubbish :eek:
I saw the Mac on one of the first stops of this tour. Mick said at the end of the show the tour would go on forever.
The Mac is touring like it is 1977 all over again. This is an amazing moment for them. They are selling out all over the world. Why stop the magic? The Mac WILL record another album and Stevie WILL join them. If they do tour again it would never be as extensive as this one like lots of dates in western Canada and 70 North American dates.

So why rain on their parade when they are having so much fun on this tour. It so magical. I hope it never ends!

[bombaysaffires]

I disagree with the OP and think this is all rubbish :eek:
I saw the Mac on one of the first stops of this tour. Mick said at the end of the show the tour would go on forever.
The Mac is touring like it is 1977 all over again. This is an amazing moment for them. They are selling out all over the world. Why stop the magic? The Mac WILL record another album and Stevie WILL join them. If they do tour again it would never be as extensive as this one like lots of dates in western Canada and 70 North American dates.

So why rain on their parade when they are having so much fun on this tour. It so magical. I hope it never ends!

not me. there is NOTHING artistically creative about this tour. just money. get your azzes in the studio.

I'm betting 2017 for an album, if we get one. :mad:

[michelej1]

So why rain on their parade when they are having so much fun on this tour. It so magical. I hope it never ends!

I think it is magical, but I think an album would be even more so. And it will last long after they're gone.

Michele

[secret love]

I think it is magical, but I think an album would be even more so. And it will last long after they're gone.

Michele

I feel exactly the same way. :nod:

A concert is a fleeting moment in time. I can listen to an album over and over. Also, although I have never seen the band live, I have heard all the songs in the set list hundreds of times already (on CD or concert DVDs). An album is new and exciting.

[secret love]

The implication is that you're summarizing some new bit of information that you're going share within the thread. It is stated as a fact. Nobody knows what the source is until they click on it. So that's why it would be perceived as one who has not yet read the thread.

Elle did not take the thread title as fact. You read too much into my words. All it takes is one click and after one second you know that the thread title is not a quote from a band member.

[MikeVielhaber]

Elle did not take the thread title as fact. You read too much into my words. All it takes is one click and after one second you know that the thread title is not a quote from a band member.

I'm not reading anything into it that's not there. It is a statement. It's not "I think there will never be..." or "why I think there will never be". It is "There will never be a new FM Album". I never know when someone's going to come up with a new interview where they say "doesn't look like a new album is going to happen". I don't think that will happen, but you never know. Quite frankly, I don't care why you think there will never be an album because you have no insight into the band. Therefore, enticing me to click on your thread is a slight annoyance. I wouldn't have said anything except to defend those that did and you telling them they're idiots.

[secondhandchain]

They can have a very short tour after the album release. 10 cities. Just release some new music. Stevie stop being such a buzzkill all ready. She's ruining for me what would have been a really magical time.

[teedeerocks]

I firmly believe there will be one last album from the band. This whole process of airing dirty laundry and public insinuations is classic, classic Fleetwood Mac. These kids have been drama queens since day one. 40+ years on, they're even more stubborn due to all the years of money, fame, power, and now they're old curmudgeons on top of all that. Of course recording an album wouldn't be easy or drama free. All the same, I don't think a one of them wants to close the book on the band without one last album. If the Eagles could pull it off, so can these guys. Not just that- since the Eagles put out one final album, you know the Mac will follow suit. This is why Christine came back, after all- so the band could put a nice neat bow on their history.

I SO agree with your last sentence.IMO,Chris didn't just randomly come back to this band after 15 - 16 years,there is a reason for it.After she made that guest appearance last year she said it was fun,she did not cry or get goosebumps,and she didn't feel one iota of envy.Now all of a sudden it's like "I wanna thank these guys for giving me a second chance". I'm like "oh please".This was all SO totally planned for a while.Maybe Stevie managed to "scrape" up that 5 million:rolleyes:.

[MikeVielhaber]

I SO agree with your last sentence.IMO,Chris didn't just randomly come back to this band after 15 - 16 years,there is a reason for it.After she made that guest appearance last year she said it was fun,she did not cry or get goosebumps,and she didn't feel one iota of envy.Now all of a sudden it's like "I wanna thank these guys for giving me a second chance". I'm like "oh please".This was all SO totally planned for a while.Maybe Stevie managed to "scrape" up that 5 million:rolleyes:.
Well she didn't fake her fear of flying and then fake get over it. She couldn't have planned it for a long time or been lured by money (after 15 years of retirement at the age of 70 she gets hungry for some money? I don't think so). Also if it was all planned it would've been timed better rather than right on the back of their previous tour.

[SteveMacD]

I SO agree with your last sentence.IMO,Chris didn't just randomly come back to this band after 15 - 16 years,there is a reason for it.After she made that guest appearance last year she said it was fun,she did not cry or get goosebumps,and she didn't feel one iota of envy.Now all of a sudden it's like "I wanna thank these guys for giving me a second chance". I'm like "oh please".This was all SO totally planned for a while.Maybe Stevie managed to "scrape" up that 5 million:rolleyes:.
I think people need to remember that Christine's retirement in 1998 was part of a long goodbye that took about seven years. Christine quit touring in 1990, after the "Behind The Mask" tour, and her songs on "Time" made it very clear that she was done with Fleetwood Mac. "The Dance" was really her way of going out on top. She's even said recently that she did that tour with the understanding that it was going to be her last tour.

The first hint that she might be interested in coming out of retirement was in March, 2012, when Ken Caillat reported that Christine said his book "brought passion back into the music for her," and almost two years to the day later, they were on the Today Show officially announcing Christine's return.

[michelej1]

I SO agree with your last sentence.IMO,Chris didn't just randomly come back to this band after 15 - 16 years,there is a reason for it.After she made that guest appearance last year she said it was fun,she did not cry or get goosebumps,and she didn't feel one iota of envy.

She never said she didn't feel one iota of envy or nostalgia or longing. After she made the guest appearance in Hawaii, the next thing we knew she was saying she'd play London if they asked her. After London, she was with them the rest of the European tour, so it seems pretty clear to me that she was thinking about this ALL last year. She'd been slowly rejoining them for most of the year.

After she saw them for the SYW tour, that's when she said she didn't feel any envy. She said they were all knackered or fagged or something and she was glad she was way from it at all, but ever since she flew to Hawaii and then had dinner with them in Los Angeles and hinted about joining them in London, she's been making her interest in coming back clear. And no, it didn't happen overnight. She's probably been taking baby steps for 2 years. It probably has more to do with her psychological well-being than her need for money. Michele

[secret love]

I'm not reading anything into it that's not there. It is a statement. It's not "I think there will never be..." or "why I think there will never be". It is "There will never be a new FM Album". I never know when someone's going to come up with a new interview where they say "doesn't look like a new album is going to happen". I don't think that will happen, but you never know. Quite frankly, I don't care why you think there will never be an album because you have no insight into the band. Therefore, enticing me to click on your thread is a slight annoyance. I wouldn't have said anything except to defend those that did and you telling them they're idiots.
Some thoughts I want to share with the Ledgies giving me a hard time:

I would change the thread title if I could! It did not seem like a big deal when I wrote it, it is a big deal now but I am unable to change it.

In my defence:

If it is only a "slight annoyance", please, could you give me a "slight" scolding? The world hasn't caved in: there is still a chance of a new Fleetwood Mac album.

Remember when Mick Fleetwood himself said in a 2012 Playboy magazine interview that Fleetwood Mac would never tour again?

That was much more than a "slight annoyance". For fans including myself, it was tragic news. It also turned out to be false and led to Stevie Nicks confirming that there would be another Fleetwood Mac tour Live 2013 on Loose Women in July 2012, four months before the dates were announced!

Some Ledgies can be a touch too precious. It takes one minute to read my full post in its entirety.

Fans waited for two months (from memory) after Mick's Playboy interview in which he stated as a fact that his band would never tour again [for this to be corrected by his colleague Stevie Nicks].

Presumably the founder of the band's word carries more weight than some stranger on the Internet who you have never met, yes?

Common sense is all but common these days.

[SteveMacD]

Remember when Mick Fleetwood himself said in a 2012 Playboy magazine interview that Fleetwood Mac would never tour again?
Clearly, THAT didn't work out for him....:lol:

Fans waited for two months (from memory) after Mick's Playboy interview in which he stated as a fact that his band would never tour again [for this to be corrected by his colleague Stevie Nicks].
Mick's Playboy interview: March 16, 2012

Ken Caillat's quote about his book restoring Christine's passion for the music: March 29, 2012

Fleetwood Mac: Still going.

[secret love]

Clearly, THAT didn't work out for him....:lol:


Mick's Playboy interview: March 16, 2012

Ken Caillat's quote about his book restoring Christine's passion for the music: March 29, 2012

Fleetwood Mac: Still going.
:lol: Very true! Granted, he said Fleetwood Mac would never tour again thinking he was right, but hoping to God he was wrong.

In fact, that's precisely how I feel about a new studio album by Fleetwood Mac. My brain doesn't think it will ever happen, but my heart hopes that the head's wrong.

[PenguinHead]

I SO agree with your last sentence.IMO,Chris didn't just randomly come back to this band after 15 - 16 years,there is a reason for it.After she made that guest appearance last year she said it was fun,she did not cry or get goosebumps,and she didn't feel one iota of envy.Now all of a sudden it's like "I wanna thank these guys for giving me a second chance". I'm like "oh please".This was all SO totally planned for a while.Maybe Stevie managed to "scrape" up that 5 million:rolleyes:.

Why such unnecessary cynicism? Christine clearly and honestly explained why she left, and her reasons for returning to the band. What is the issue that incites such indignation?

[secret love]

Why such unnecessary cynicism? Christine clearly and honestly explained why she left, and her reasons for returning to the band. What is the issue that incites such indignation?

Agreed. Christine has explained on the public record that she left the band due to a dislike of touring and a fear of flying. She also publicly explained that with the help of a therapist, she has finally overcome her fear of flying and is enjoying touring again for the first time in years.

Personally I took Christine at her word. She doesn't have any reason to lie about why she left the band and why she returned. I don't understand the conspiracy theories.

[PenguinHead]

With all this drama .I think this band needs a reality show.I hate reality shows but I will be glued to the tube watching it.

They would never stoop that level, just throwing away all of their integrity. The reality show should feature a bunch of disparate Ledgies gathered together; that's where drama will take place.

[secret love]

The reality show should feature a bunch of disparate Ledgies gathered together; that's where drama will take place.

I wonder if any salmon are going to jump on that hook...:p

[KarmaContestant]

I'm not reading anything into it that's not there. It is a statement. It's not "I think there will never be..." or "why I think there will never be". It is "There will never be a new FM Album".


I'd just call it a prediction. :shrug: One that seems more and more reliable with each passing month.

[tabruns]

I'd just call it a prediction. :shrug: One that seems more and more reliable with each passing month.

Eh, I'm not sure, KC. The rest of the band seems so stoked by what they've done so far that I'm willing to bet they'd put out an album without Nicks if need be.

[KarmaContestant]

Eh, I'm not sure, KC. The rest of the band seems so stoked by what they've done so far that I'm willing to bet they'd put out an album without Nicks if need be.

I hope so, indeed. :nod: I'd be happy with an album, whether it included Stevie or not.

But, nothing can beat those three part harmonies!

[jbrownsjr]

I hope so, indeed. :nod: I'd be happy with an album, whether it included Stevie or not.

But, nothing can beat those three part harmonies!

I hope she's on it. Stevie sounded fantastic all three nights at the LA Forum. The 3 parts were magic again! Christine sounds stronger than ever, as well.

[nicepace]

I love the three part harmonies. I'm sure we all do. But I'd rather hear just Christine and Lindsey than no new album at all.

And I'd rather not hear the backing vocalists. If Stevie sings on the album, will the backing vocalists sing too? They sound nice, granted, but to me they don't sound like Fleetwood Mac.

[Lisa W]

I hope she's on it. Stevie sounded fantastic all three nights at the LA Forum. The 3 parts were magic again! Christine sounds stronger than ever, as well.

I agree with you that Stevie sounded great at all the LA Forum shows. I would love to hear those three-part harmonies on new recorded material. Still keeping my hopes up that it will happen.

[SpyNote]

I think people need to remember that Christine's retirement in 1998 was part of a long goodbye that took about seven years. Christine quit touring in 1990, after the "Behind The Mask" tour, and her songs on "Time" made it very clear that she was done with Fleetwood Mac. "The Dance" was really her way of going out on top. She's even said recently that she did that tour with the understanding that it was going to be her last tour.

The first hint that she might be interested in coming out of retirement was in March, 2012, when Ken Caillat reported that Christine said his book "brought passion back into the music for her," and almost two years to the day later, they were on the Today Show officially announcing Christine's return.

Hmm. I think more likely it was therapy and antidepressants that snapped her out of this spiraling depression of hers.

[jbrownsjr]

Hmm. I think more likely it was therapy and antidepressants that snapped her out of this spiraling depression of hers.

And plain old boredom.

[WayOfTheDragon]

If Stevie sings on the album, will the backing vocalists sing too? They sound nice, granted, but to me they don't sound like Fleetwood Mac.

I don't think they'd use the backing vocalists on a Fleetwood Mac studio track. With all the layering of voices and other technical tricks they can use in the studio, they don't really need to bring in additional singers to fill out the sound.

[BLY]

I don't think they'd use the backing vocalists on a Fleetwood Mac studio track. With all the layering of voices and other technical tricks they can use in the studio, they don't really need to bring in additional singers to fill out the sound.



Never, Never,Never !

[SteveMacD]

Hmm. I think more likely it was therapy and antidepressants that snapped her out of this spiraling depression of hers.
I didn't suggest otherwise. I just said that the first hint that she might make a comeback was Ken's quote.

There have likely been many steps we'll never know about that she needed to take to get here. I think somebody said Sharon told them that Christine couldn't go on stage with them in 2009 because she had quit drinking and was too nervous to go on. Then there was that whole battle in 2010 about Christine and a consortium she had joined denying water access to villagers when they fenced off fields in a move to prevent greenhouses from being erected, where candids of Christine walking her dogs were published.

[aleuzzi]

I didn't suggest otherwise. I just said that the first hint that she might make a comeback was Ken's quote.

There have likely been many steps we'll never know about that she needed to take to get here. I think somebody said Sharon told them that Christine couldn't go on stage with them in 2009 because she had quit drinking and was too nervous to go on. Then there was that whole battle in 2010 about Christine and a consortium she had joined denying water access to villagers when they fenced off fields in a move to prevent greenhouses from being erected, where candids of Christine walking her dogs were published.

Did she join the consortium to deny villagers access to the fields? I seem to remember she had the opposite viewpoint, even though the headline of the tabloid suggested otherwise.

......yeah, I went in and read the full Express article. Actually, it reveals (buried, towards the end) that Christine's relationship with the consortium was strained over the issue and that many of the villagers believed she regretted joining it.

[aleuzzi]

I hope she's on it. Stevie sounded fantastic all three nights at the LA Forum. The 3 parts were magic again! Christine sounds stronger than ever, as well.

This is great to hear. Granted, the band always kicks it up a notch or two for their old hometown.

[Nick]

I agree with you that Stevie sounded great at all the LA Forum shows. I would love to hear those three-part harmonies on new recorded material. Still keeping my hopes up that it will happen.

Same here. I was really hoping for a new studio album (with all the current line-up) sometime in 2015. I guess Fall 2015 would seem the most likely. I'm actually bummed that they are extending the tour as this might delay the album further.

Maybe I'm selfish, but I saw them in October at Madison Square Garden and I just want at least one more studio album from them and a proper follow-up to "Tango".

[louielouie2000]

Same here. I was really hoping for a new studio album (with all the current line-up) sometime in 2015. I guess Fall 2015 would seem the most likely. I'm actually bummed that they are extending the tour as this might delay the album further.

Maybe I'm selfish, but I saw them in October at Madison Square Garden and I just want at least one more studio album from them and a proper follow-up to "Tango".

Since it looks like they're touring into the summer (who knows, additional dates could still be added), I'm guessing a Fall 2015 release for an album is not likely. Especially since I'm betting the band will want some time off between the end of the tour and recording new material.

And I agree about wanting a proper follow up to Tango. It's getting close to 3 decades since we've gotten an album from our 5 fireflies. I'm foaming at the mouth! :lol: