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nicole21290
09-11-2014, 09:38 AM
http://www.out.com/entertainment/music/2014/09/11/inevitable-return-stevie-nicks?page=0,0

Edge of Everything
9.11.2014

By Michael Martin

The inevitable return of Stevie Nicks
Photography by Danny Clinch

Stevie Nicks and I are in her oceanfront L.A. condo, its earth tones and wraparound windows floating high above Santa Monica Beach and the Pacific Coast Highway. Appropriately enough for the poetic high priestess of rock, the horizon is all metaphor. The sunset refracts off the waves, then bounces off a tight line of cars that have just turned on their headlights, gold rolling into platinum.

“I call that the diamond snake, and that the ruby snake,” she says, gesturing toward opposing rows of headlights and brake lights. “We get to just watch the whole world up here. It’s a never-ending show. Go away, cute little helicopter.” She dismisses the vista-blocking interloper with a wave, and it obeys.

Nicks, 66, shot to fame with Fleetwood Mac, which dominated the charts starting in 1975 with their peerless brand of California rock: mellow romanticism with a tense spine. The group’s two couples famously split up during the recording of their 1977 blockbuster, Rumours, which has sold more than 40 million copies. Nicks’s mystical songwriting and swirly, shawl-based stage presence set the group apart and made her an icon. Acclaim and opportunities have poured in ever since, but never more so than in the past few years.

A Glee episode dedicated to Rumours put the album back on the charts and onto the Spotify playlists of millennials. Nicks appeared in the most recent season of the super-hot American Horror Story as a singing witch, which made the classic songs she sang, including “Seven Wonders,” trending topics on Twitter. She’s a mentor on the latest season of The Voice. Recently on The Tonight Show, she and new host Jimmy Fallon reenacted the 1981 video for her first non–Fleetwood Mac hit, “Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around.” Last month, Fleetwood Mac embarked on a world tour, the first in 16 years to feature fellow member Christine McVie. And the week before our interview, she sang at Adam Levine’s wedding. Somewhere in all of this, she went to Nashville to record a new solo album, 24 Karat Gold, in eight weeks (the album is due for release October 7).

“It is pretty crazy,” says Nicks, settling into her overstuffed leather recliner. “Pretty crazy.”

There was a time when things weren’t coming up roses for Nicks. The early ’80s brought her smash solo albums Bella Donna and The Wild Heart, adding songs like “Edge of Seventeen” and “Stand Back” to her repertoire, but more than a decade of cocaine use landed her in Betty Ford in 1986. An ensuing addiction to the tranquilizer Klonopin furloughed her muse and added 45 pounds to her 5-foot-1 frame, necessitating a harrowing detox in 1993. (More on that in a due course.)

But the universe shifted, and after her last acclaimed solo album and documentary, In Your Dreams, it’s looking like 1975 again for Nicks. She’s slim and smooth-skinned. (Her dermatological routine is underworldly: She avoids the sun and Botox, which she says makes its supplicants look “like Satan’s children”). Her famed platform boots are not in evidence today, replaced by fashiony Birkenstocks, to accommodate a toe that was broken when she tripped over a floorboard electrical socket.

After jumping up to lower the lighting — she is exacting about lighting, not for vanity but for atmosphere — Nicks eagerly unpacks 24 Karat Gold, a collection of songs she wrote between 1969 and 1987 and demoed on cassettes that she stored in shoeboxes. “These are not throwaways. I call these my ‘Silver Springs’ songs,” she says, citing the fan-favorite track detailing her 1976 breakup with longtime romantic and musical partner Lindsey Buckingham (the song was left off Rumours because it was too long). And Gold’s tracks will seduce even casual fans of Nicks’s work: “Lady” — whose plaintive refrain, “What will become of me?” was written when Nicks was working as a housecleaner — would have been a smash for Fleetwood Mac if it had been released in the ’70s. Ditto “She Loves Him Still,” a relentlessly ingratiating ballad. Every track details a kind of heartbreak; fans can speculate which of Nicks’s boyfriends (Joe Walsh of the Eagles, Jimmy Iovine, et al.) were the inspiration. “I had to release these songs, because I couldnot write those records today,” Nicks says. “I’d have to start having affairs tomorrow.”

But her favorite track has bigger concerns than romance. “Mabel Normand” was written in 1985 after Nicks watched a documentary about the eponymous 1920s silent performer, who was “the rock star of her time.” She was also a cocaine addict.

“In 1985, I was dancing at the edge of danger myself, just like she was,” Nicks says. “I was just doing so much coke. And it had already backfired on me completely. I saw this documentary, and I felt this union with her: Oh my God, the same thing that happened to this woman in the ’20s is happening to me in the ’80s — how can this be? Then she died, and that really scared me. She was rich, she was famous, she had everything. She had it all. And I very well could have died just as easily as she did.”

Soon after, Nicks went to a plastic surgeon, who found a hole in her nasal cartilage big enough to cause a brain hemorrhage with her next introduction of pharmaceuticals. “He said, ‘I know people who probably do more drugs than you who don’t have a hole in their nose like this, so what have you done differently?’ ” she says. “I would get terrible headaches, so I used to put aspirin in water, then take an eyedropper and put the aspirin in my nose. I thought I was being the best nurse ever. The plastic surgeon said, ‘Well, the aspirin ate your nose, not the coke.’ ”

Next stop, the Betty Ford Center. Her epiphany came with her realization that “if the first lady of the United States can get over this, so can I.” After she left, her handlers persuaded her to go to a psychiatrist to get on a tranquilizer to prevent a relapse. The doctor prescribed Klonopin, gradually increasing her dosage over eight years until she was left dazed, overweight, and unable to write. This time, her epiphany came in the form of Polaroid self-portraits (which she still takes every night). “I would look at them, and I would just be sick to my stomach,” she says. “I was feeling so awful. I thought, You are going to OD on something really stupid like NyQuil or Benadryl — over-the-counter stuff — on top of the Klonopin. I thought, I’m definitely not going to go out that way. If I go out, I’m going out in a blaze of glory. I’m not going out OD’ing on aspirin. So I said to myself, This is it, and it is over.” A 47-day detox ensued, during which her skin molted, her hair turned gray, and she couldn’t eat; she only turned the corner after receiving two days’ doses of the narcotic pain reliever Demerol.

Although Nicks has been clean ever since, drugs have intruded into her extended family recently. “My godson died at a fraternity party,” she says. “He had been doing heroin, but he didn’t die of heroin. He went to a frat party and he took a bunch of Xanax, and I think there was probably Red Bull and vodka being carried out on a tray, and God knows what else. He died at the frat house. He’d just turned 18, this beautiful child.”

Nicks wrote “Mabel Normand” as a kind of public service announcement. “I wanted it to be something that somebody having a problem with drugs can sit down and listen to 5,000 times,” she says. “Try to let it be an epiphany for you, 18-year-old person that is doing a lot of coke and smoking heroin and taking ecstasy and is on a dead-end road to hell. I want anybody who hears a doctor say, ‘Would you like me to write you a prescription of Klonopin?’ to get up and run out of the room screaming and take the air out of that doctor’s tires. I want them to hear the word ‘cocaine’ and think ‘brain hemorrhage, beauty gone, lines, aging, fat.’ ”

Talk turns to happier topics. Nicks first learned she occupied a special place in the heart of the gays when she found out about Night of 1,000 Stevies, the annual dress-up tribute that has become a New York nightlife institution. “I was so tickled because Halloween is my night!” she says of her very specific approach to fashion. “I read about it and told my dad, ‘It’s a huge party thrown by fabulous gay men and women. They love my clothes and my fashion and my songs, and they all go to it and play my music and lip synch!’ And my dad was very conservative, but he said, ‘That is really great, honey!’

“One day I’m going to show up, and they are not going to know it, because I’m going to be dressed as the best Stevie ever,” she says. “I will be unrecognizably fantastic until I go up on stage and take the mic and burst into ‘Edge of Seventeen’ and blow everyone away.”

Unprompted, she meditates on the current state of gayness. “I can’t say that I’m so glad that gay people like my music, because I have never looked at gay people as different from any other people,” she says. “We are all one consciousness. The fact that anybody loves my music makes me feel very good, because this is what I do. I didn’t get married; I don’t have kids. I have lots of godchildren, but it is just me and my dogs. And then I have my straight friends and I have my gay friends.”

She talks about a close companion who struggled with coming out years ago, even though she would have had Nicks’s unconditional support. “The idea of carrying that secret around would have killed me,” Nicks says. “So I wouldn’t have [been in the closet]. If I were gay, the second that I knew, I would have said, ‘OK, everybody, this is how it is, and either you still like me or I don’t care.’ I think that if you are gay, you just have to say ‘It’s great!’ And hopefully you will find a great relationship. And hopefully all the straight people will find a relationship. And hopefully all the people like me who don’t care about having a relationship will continue to not care and just have a great dog. I’m not putting relationships down — I’ve had amazing relationships. But that is how I look at life.”

Her latest spontaneous rendezvous was provided by American Horror Story creator-writer Ryan Murphy. She became acquainted with him during the Glee episode, and she reached out to him to volunteer her services. “I called him and said, ‘You know, I could do just a walk-through in a long black dress and just be like, ‘Hello witches, goodbye witches!’ Just something really dramatic and fun.” Murphy immediately summoned her to New Orleans, where production on American Horror Story: Coven was under way. She showed up on set and was handed a 20-page script, which induced “a panic attack,” as she puts it. “I’m not an actress, never wanted to be an actress. I can’t remember lines. I have to have a teleprompter.”

She ultimately played the show’s version of Glinda, a good witch with powers who chooses not to practice. She sang “Seven Wonders,” “Rhiannon,” and “Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You” as Jessica Lange looked on and wept. Twitter instantly went crazy. “My favorite thing of all time is those scenes with Jessica Lange,” she says. “That show took my music to a lot of people. Television is really the new movies. I love sitting right there on my big couch watching TV by myself. A couple of hours of Law and Order, and I’m good.”

A few months later, she mentored 12 contestants on The Voice. “I feel very invested in these kids,” she says. “I feel like I have sent 12 children into the world.” Would she and Lindsey Buckingham have competed on the show when they were starting out? “I would have dragged Lindsey kicking and screaming. However, yes, we would have,” Nicks says. “If that was the only way we could get our music across, then no doubt. He would have hated it, but he would have done it. I would have said, ‘There is no backing out of this — this is the way it is going to be.’ Because one time somebody might see you and say, ‘That girl should be in my movie’ or ‘That guy should be in the next Geico commercial,’ right?”

Nicks’s famously volatile relationship with Buckingham is stable, for the moment. “Lindsey and I just never change,” she says. “We are exactly who we were when we moved to Los Angeles. There’s always going to be that jealousy-resentment thing that we wish would go away but never does, so I think that we’ve both learned to live with each other.”

Buckingham, Nicks says, would be happiest if she didn’t do anything other than Fleetwood Mac. “He knows that’s never going to happen, so that is, I think, his biggest problem with me,” she says. “I wish that he could not care. Who said it? ‘Ever lovers, never friends.’ There’s something to it. I hope one day, when we’re too old to tour anymore, that we can sit down and just be friends. You know, when you make a decision, the universe conspires to make it happen, and that’s what I hope happens with Lindsey and me.”

Nicks says that all her recent opportunities have assuaged an occasional creeping insecurity. “Sometimes when you wake up in the morning and you go, Does anybody get it? If I died tomorrow, what would go on? Did I actually touch people? Did I make a wave here?” Nicks says, stroking the long rivulet of blonde hair falling along her shoulder. “In the last couple of years, I have actually started to say to myself, Yes, you did. You have actually made a wave, and it has swept over a lot of people. It’s opening doors for you to step up, into whatever you want that isn’t even rock ’n’ roll anymore.”

To wit, she has owned the rights to a collection of Welsh myths, which she hopes to turn into a miniseries. She’s also gearing up to present a gallery show of her career-documenting Polaroids — some of which form collages inside 24 Karat Gold — in New York City. Her manager and her favorite producer, Dave Stewart, are hounding her to do a one-woman show. She says she has enough demos stashed in those shoeboxes to record three more albums. The Fleetwood Mac tour will take her to 25 cities. She also continues to train her voice militaristically: 30 minutes a day.

It’s closing in on midnight, which means it’s time for an apartment tour, including her thoroughly rock-star bathroom, which has a cavernous tub and sparkly shower tile she points out proudly. A sign hanging above the tap reads, don’t piss off the fairies. Her dogs, a 16-year-old Chinese crested and a Yorkie puppy, clamber underfoot. The Yorkie has used the room for its intended purpose. “Untrainable!” Nicks says in mock exasperation.

As the evening winds down, she remembers what she told the contestants on The Voice. The season hasn’t aired yet, and she keeps thinking about the results. “They are so nervous that you are nervous for them,” she says. “The best thing I actually said to all of them was, ‘No matter what happens after this, just this day, never forget about it. It’s a dream come true. Take everything that happens today and tomorrow with you for the rest of your life and just totally dig on it, and tell everybody the story. Enjoy it, and think about it when you’re going to sleep, and never forget it. Because these kinds of times never come again.’ ”

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kak125
09-11-2014, 09:52 AM
very interesting article but who in their right mind would put aspirin in water and put it up their nose. i dont get it, why not just swallow the damn thing? i never heard of anybody doing that before that is for sure!

Danigirl
09-11-2014, 10:00 AM
Wow, either this interviewer is much more in tune with Stevie, or Stevie is much more candid. Her interviews always seem to follow the same pattern; glorious description of her place, references to Rumours era drama, then into the old loves. This interview actually has a message, and an important one it is! I had no idea Mabel Normand was a coke addict, and this is the first time hearing of the aspirin and water concoction.



She looks fabulous in these pics.

Danielle
09-11-2014, 10:01 AM
Thank you so much Nicole! That was a great read and the pictures are gorgeous.

loverly13
09-11-2014, 10:35 AM
Such a great read! I hope those projects - gallery show, one woman show, more vault albums - come to fruition!

GavinBrown
09-11-2014, 10:36 AM
A NYC Gallery show?!?!?! WHEN WHEN WHEN

Jondalar
09-11-2014, 10:53 AM
I hate the first picture. She looks like an over-rouged marionette.

Nickingham
09-11-2014, 11:04 AM
Thank you for posting this Nicole!
Stevie talked about the aspirin thing in another interview here (http://www.fleetwoodmacnews.com/2007/09/stevie-nicks-living-scotsmancom.html). I heard about people doing it when I was a kid and was told it was very dangerous. Glad I never did it! And I'm glad Stevie lived to tell about it!

“I call that the diamond snake, and that the ruby snake,” she says, gesturing toward opposing rows of headlights and brake lights.

So that's where she got the lyrics "This coastline is glittering Like a diamond snake
In a black sky" from in Illume (9-11). The black sky is the highway and the diamond snake is the line of traffic. I always thought she was referring to the tide line on the sand, how it glitters at sunset and the ocean appears dark and reflects the sky above.

She's going to do a gallery show? I wonder if she will have some of her drawings and paintings on display as well. It's nice to see her explore other projects. And hopefully we get another 24KG SFTV album.

Hawkeye
09-11-2014, 11:31 AM
It's pretty cool she names mable Normand as her favorite since that's my runaway favorite just based on clips. And many of our favorites I think. Stevie's favorites have never been the single choices since probably edge of 17 and stand back.

wheart
09-11-2014, 11:40 AM
I will be buying this. Those pics are gorgeous!!! Either of those pics would have made an excellent for 24K Gold!!

sorcerer999
09-11-2014, 12:52 PM
My favorite part...

"Because one time somebody might see you and say, ‘That girl should be in my movie’ or ‘That guy should be in the next Geico commercial,’ right?”

Great article! Thanks for sharing with us! :)

wheart
09-11-2014, 01:19 PM
Does anyone know if this will be featured in October's issue? I just looked through September's and didn't see it.

jkmaletic
09-11-2014, 02:48 PM
"...and take the air out of that doctor's tires.." I nearly spit out my salad reading that! I love her.

PenguinHead
09-11-2014, 02:51 PM
very interesting article but who in their right mind would put aspirin in water and put it up their nose. i dont get it, why not just swallow the damn thing? i never heard of anybody doing that before that is for sure!

:nod: I thought that was very odd.I guess,because of her cocaine habit, putting other things up her nose seemed like a normal thing to do.

PenguinHead
09-11-2014, 02:57 PM
Such a great read! I hope those projects - gallery show, one woman show, more vault albums - come to fruition!

I previously posted my thought that she could, with all her leftover songs, record volumes two, three and four. I'm so surprised and elated to know that it's on her mind. I love this interview! Stevie is just as eccentric, candid, warm, and insightful as I'd ever want her to be. Sometimes she says/phrases things that are so hilariously bizarre, yet articulate in a slightly warped sense. She is unique beyond reason; genuinely one of a kind.

BombaySapphire3
09-11-2014, 03:14 PM
Great article but still no mention of how Carousel magically appears on the album..wonder if there ever will be .:shrug:

PenguinHead
09-11-2014, 03:43 PM
Great article but still no mention of how Carousel magically appears on the album..wonder if there ever will be .:shrug:

It's still early in the promotion process. Once the album is released there will be a lot of press and interviews. It's only a matter of time until we know more. It's unreasonable to expect instant gratification. I'm enjoying the build up and slow reveal.

The information/previews we're getting from this album is unprecedented when compared to previous releases. I'm grateful about the smart marketing -- engaging the fan base utilizing social media. Patiently waiting.

Machu
09-11-2014, 05:32 PM
Great article and I NEED that gate picture in high quality. Love it!

jwd
09-11-2014, 05:51 PM
Stevie is truly an endearing spirit. From her take on sexual orientation to mentoring the next generation. Have you made waves Stevie? Damn girl, you're a frickin' tsunami!

Something tells me that Mabel Normand is going to be one of my favorites from 24k Gold, based on what I've heard, and the inspiration for the song.

Great read, thanks so much for posting Nicole!

Artemis
09-11-2014, 05:53 PM
Loved her little line about not needing a relationship, just a 'great dog' oh, this woman cracks me up.

michelej1
09-11-2014, 06:13 PM
Here's a timeline, slide show that Out did for Stevie's career.

http://www.out.com/entertainment/music/2014/09/11/stevie-nicks-fleetwood-mac-timeline#slide-1

Buckingham Nicks, 1973


Nicks, 66, shot to fame with Fleetwood Mac, which dominated the charts starting in 1975 with their peerless brand of California rock: mellow romanticism with a tense spine. The group’s two couples famously split up during the recording of their 1977 blockbuster, Rumours, which has sold more than 40 million copies.

Fleetwood Mac, 1975


Nicks’s mystical songwriting and swirly, shawl-based stage presence set the group apart and made her an icon. Acclaim and opportunities have poured in ever since, but never more so than in the past few years.

Rumours, 1977


A Glee episode dedicated to the 1977 album Rumours put the album back on the charts and onto the Spotify playlists of millennials.

Fleetwood Mac in 1977


Nicks’s famously volatile relationship with Buckingham is stable, for the moment. “Lindsey and I just never change,” she says. “We are exactly who we were when we moved to Los Angeles. There’s always going to be that jealousy-resentment thing that we wish would go away but never does, so I think that we’ve both learned to live with each other.”

Bella Donna, 1981


Nicks appeared in the most recent season of the super-hot American Horror Story as a singing witch, which made the classic songs she sang, including “Seven Wonders,” trending topics on Twitter. She’s a mentor on the latest season of The Voice.

Tango In The Night, 1987


The early ’80s brought her smash solo albums Bella Donna and The Wild Heart, adding songs like “Edge of Seventeen” and “Stand Back” to her repertoire, but more than a decade of cocaine use landed her in Betty Ford in 1986.

More Slide Shows


Nicks with Lily Rabe


She played American Horror Story: Coven's version of Glinda, a good witch with powers who chooses not to practice. She sang “Seven Wonders,” “Rhiannon,” and “Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You” as Jessica Lange looked on and wept. “My favorite thing of all time is those scenes with Jessica Lange,” she says. “That show took my music to a lot of people. Television is really the new movies. I love sitting right there on my big couch watching TV by myself. A couple of hours of Law and Order, and I’m good.”

On The Tonight Show

Nicks and Tonight Show host Jimmy Fallon reenacted the 1981 video for her first non–Fleetwood Mac hit, “Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around” in April. Last month, Fleetwood Mac embarked on a world tour, the first in 16 years to feature fellow member Christine McVie.

Nicks’s latest release, 24 Karat Gold, is released Oct. 7. The album's tracks will seduce even casual fans of Nicks’s work: “Lady” — whose plaintive refrain, “What will become of me?” was written when Nicks was working as a housecleaner — would have been a smash for Fleetwood Mac if it had been released in the ’70s.

goldenground
09-11-2014, 09:55 PM
Here's the photo of Stevie by the gate in HQ http://38.media.tumblr.com/28db817fd5fb466bacfff0824b380ec4/tumblr_nbr1nthJle1qcaugio1_1280.jpg

Lisa W
09-11-2014, 11:11 PM
Thank you so much for posting this beautiful HD photo! I think it is one of the loveliest pictures I've ever seen of Stevie!!

gypsyhelena
09-11-2014, 11:44 PM
Reading this turned a bad day into a not-so-bad day, so thank you for posting it!

BombaySapphire3
09-12-2014, 12:06 AM
Thank you so much for posting this beautiful HD photo! I think it is one of the loveliest pictures I've ever seen of Stevie!!

Agreed ! makes a beautiful backround for the computer screen.I could look at it all day.

StreetAngel86
09-12-2014, 05:15 AM
very interesting article but who in their right mind would put aspirin in water and put it up their nose. i dont get it, why not just swallow the damn thing? i never heard of anybody doing that before that is for sure!

this was hilarious.
Stevie is CRAZY.
must have been the coke making her think it was OK to do that
what the h3ll :eek:

i love that picture by the gates
so pretty :angel:

goldenground - a thousand and 1 thank yous. WOW. it's even more gorgeous GIANT

Machu
09-12-2014, 07:40 AM
Here's the photo of Stevie by the gate in HQ
You are an angel!!!! Thanks!

tabruns
09-12-2014, 10:03 AM
I love the "enough demos to do three more albums" comment the best.

Nickingham
09-12-2014, 11:04 AM
She broke her toe on an electrical outlet in the floorboard? I wonder where that happened. Filming the Lady video? Rehearsals?
Hopefully she's in shipshape when the tour starts. She might have to wear those Frankenboks for a little while. :lol:
That woman keeps tripping over stuff. She makes me nervous!

lovethemac1
09-12-2014, 11:29 AM
Here's the photo of Stevie by the gate in HQ http://38.media.tumblr.com/28db817fd5fb466bacfff0824b380ec4/tumblr_nbr1nthJle1qcaugio1_1280.jpg

Who's the dude sitting outside the gate on the right? He looks like a tourist? He's talking to a woman with red hair maybe?

lovethemac1
09-12-2014, 11:35 AM
I loved this interview. It just seemed different than the standard interview that Stevie does. The interviewer had the facts correct for once, and Stevie said some absolutely hilarious things. Quirky things that are just so unique and loveable. And there was some new content as well, ie. the aspirin/water combo up the nose :shocked: totally bizarre. I've never heard that before from her, has anyone else??? I loved that she let them print that she is wearing Birkenstocks......she strikes me as the type that wouldn't have done that 20 years ago. My guess is that she would have preferred us to think that she wore those platform boots to bed. Anyways, she is such a character, and her individual shining star shone through in this writing so clearly. Just loved it.

michelej1
09-12-2014, 12:28 PM
The toe is troubling. She should just start the tour with the Reeboks and not try to wear boots at all. Just let her feet be as comfortable as they can be and give the rest of her body to fashion.

Michele

SpyNote
09-12-2014, 01:10 PM
I loved this interview. It just seemed different than the standard interview that Stevie does. The interviewer had the facts correct for once, and Stevie said some absolutely hilarious things. Quirky things that are just so unique and loveable. And there was some new content as well, ie. the aspirin/water combo up the nose :shocked: totally bizarre. I've never heard that before from her, has anyone else???

Maybe that's how the notorious rumor involving the assistant and a certain orifice got started.

BlueDenimLamp
09-12-2014, 01:47 PM
I loved this interview. It just seemed different than the standard interview that Stevie does. The interviewer had the facts correct for once, and Stevie said some absolutely hilarious things. Quirky things that are just so unique and loveable. And there was some new content as well, ie. the aspirin/water combo up the nose :shocked: totally bizarre. I've never heard that before from her, has anyone else??? I loved that she let them print that she is wearing Birkenstocks......she strikes me as the type that wouldn't have done that 20 years ago. My guess is that she would have preferred us to think that she wore those platform boots to bed. Anyways, she is such a character, and her individual shining star shone through in this writing so clearly. Just loved it.

The whole aspirin thing was the topic of conversation here way back in 2007 "The hole in the nose thing" (http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=34131) so knowledge of it has been around quite a while...

lovethemac1
09-12-2014, 01:57 PM
Maybe that's how the notorious rumor involving the assistant and a certain orifice got started.

????? Please tell, I've never heard this topic........

sorcerer999
09-12-2014, 05:20 PM
"To wit, she has owned the rights to a collection of Welsh myths, which she hopes to turn into a miniseries."

So the "Rhiannon" project went from being a movie...to a ballet...to an animated movie...back to being a live action movie...and NOW it's going to be a television miniseries? :lol:

If this project EVER sees the light of day, regardless of how it is presented, I will be overjoyed...but the clock is a tickin', Miss Nicks! :p

olive
09-12-2014, 05:51 PM
"To wit, she has owned the rights to a collection of Welsh myths, which she hopes to turn into a miniseries."

So the "Rhiannon" project went from being a movie...to a ballet...to an animated movie...back to being a live action movie...and NOW it's going to be a television miniseries? :lol:

If this project EVER sees the light of day, regardless of how it is presented, I will be overjoyed...but the clock is a tickin', Miss Nicks! :p


A Web series

StreetAngel86
09-12-2014, 06:18 PM
I love the "enough demos to do three more albums" comment the best.

Mama's been trolling the Ledge
vault deux and trois are already wheels turning in her mind :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Christopher
09-12-2014, 06:25 PM
I love the "enough demos to do three more albums" comment the best.
:thumbsup:
Exactly! In all seriousness, Ledgies have been saying that for decades. Stevie doesn't really need to ever write another song if she doe not want to. She easily still has enough quality demos in the vault, or shoebox :shrug: to release at minimum 2 records. I could dig it!

WatchChain
09-12-2014, 06:32 PM
Who's the dude sitting outside the gate on the right? He looks like a tourist? He's talking to a woman with red hair maybe?

Could it be Bob Glaub ??

louielouie2000
09-12-2014, 07:49 PM
Could it be Bob Glaub ??

I never tire of that name. :lol:

That appears to be the house Mick & Christine were staying in earlier this year. It was likely taken the same day as the other full band press photos. Those definitely appear to be industry people out there- managers, publicists, or the like.

secondhandchain
09-13-2014, 11:20 PM
So she and Lindsey aren't friends again? I thought they were getting along great and sat for hours talking. It all seems to be made up. They recycle their story over and over. Just sayin...

WildHearted
09-13-2014, 11:28 PM
So she and Lindsey aren't friends again? I thought they were getting along great and sat for hours talking. It all seems to be made up. They recycle their story over and over. Just sayin...

They recycle the story over and over again... but it's a pretty consistent theme, so I don't see why people think it's made up. The story has never been "We're best friends, and we hang out all the time." The story is pretty much always - "When we're together, we can sit for hours and talk and reminisce and it's great. But we really don't hang out at all when we're not working." Sometimes in the aftermath the nature of the pseudo-friendship they adopt during their "on" time together gets colored with animosity as a result of various conflicts they may have had over the course of a recording/tour... but by all accounts, this last time around they didn't have any huge issues & came out of the whole ordeal friendlier than in the past. But that doesn't mean Stevie's calling him up to go shopping or to come watch a movie or have dinner, which is what you might do with a normal friend. That, to me, is what Stevie expresses that she hopes they'll one day be able to do - be consistent friends that at least somewhat regularly spend time together.

nicole21290
09-14-2014, 01:45 AM
They recycle the story over and over again... but it's a pretty consistent theme, so I don't see why people think it's made up. The story has never been "We're best friends, and we hang out all the time." The story is pretty much always - "When we're together, we can sit for hours and talk and reminisce and it's great. But we really don't hang out at all when we're not working." Sometimes in the aftermath the nature of the pseudo-friendship they adopt during their "on" time together gets colored with animosity as a result of various conflicts they may have had over the course of a recording/tour... but by all accounts, this last time around they didn't have any huge issues & came out of the whole ordeal friendlier than in the past. But that doesn't mean Stevie's calling him up to go shopping or to come watch a movie or have dinner, which is what you might do with a normal friend. That, to me, is what Stevie expresses that she hopes they'll one day be able to do - be consistent friends that at least somewhat regularly spend time together.

She is also more willing to label him a friend in any off the cuff introductions (Soldier's Angel at The Wiltern - 'oldest, dearest friend) or dedications (Landslide in Amsterdam - thanking him for his years of friendship). Press and media is a different matter. The usual pattern has been saying they're friends again near the beginning of a tour and then during the tour or after a tour, letting that slide into saying they'll never be friends. I think it actually depends on both ours and her idea of what a 'friend' is. I found the way she compared it with Mick and hers friendship last year quite well put:

Mick and I are friends in a way that Lindsey and I could never be friends. We’re just best friends. Our relationship didn’t last a long time, Mick’s and mine. It was a year. And Lindsey’s and mine’s relationship lasted from when we first met in 1968 and I joined his band up until now. Mick and I will be best friends when we’re 90. But Lindsey’s and mine’s relationship is different.

More complicated?

Much more complicated, yeah.

The 'hanging out' idea doesn't even necessarily EQUAL friendship but it's another matter on which there are some contradictions, tbh. In 2001 Stevie was saying how great it was that she could hang out with Lindsey now, that she only lived a short drive from him, etc. We also know he was hanging out at least some of the time during the making of TISL - not just for doing the guitar part on I Miss You. Stevie and a guitar player spoke about what seemed like more social visits, and he also attended the first playback for TISL.

Moving on a decade or so, and Stevie always emphasises that she called Lindsey and that he spent two days at her place (when they turned a corner, realised they could work together without being so Stevie and Lindsey, etc). He, however, has talked on more than a few occasions about spending 'a lot' of quality time with her that year. I honestly think he's pretty careful with his words most of the time and 'a lot' does NOT equal two days in anyone's book. Besides, she talked about them sitting down and listening to their SWS/IYD records back to back. He just happened to bring his on the second day of recording, and she had hers all ready to go on the same day they finished recording SA? Seems more likely he was around (hanging out?) that year more than she usually implies he was. IMO.

gldstwmn
09-14-2014, 11:05 AM
this was hilarious.
Stevie is CRAZY.
must have been the coke making her think it was OK to do that
what the h3ll :eek:



Putting things in your nose works quicker as opposed to say swallowing them.
The gate picture is quite beautiful.

teedeerocks
09-18-2014, 05:19 AM
My sister and I were discussing this interview and we're baffled.Why,after all this time,is Stevie saying that the hole in her nose was caused by aspirin,not cocaine?I understand she is trying to steer people away from the drug,which I applaud her for.But she always mentions the fact that if you do alot of coke you will end up with a giant hole in your nose.So why is she now,after all this time,coming out and saying that the hole was not caused by coke,but by the aspirin?My sis and I have come to the conclusion that she might be afraid that this tidbit might be brought up in Mick's book,and it's better that the world hears it from her first.Either that or she's using coke again but not with the intensity of her last go-round.One thing is for sure - IMO she is totally losing her credibility when she speaks about the subject,which disappoints me and makes me feel a little sad.:sorry::distress:.Any other ideas from my fellow ledgies?

DashingDan
09-18-2014, 08:41 AM
My sister and I were discussing this interview and we're baffled.Why,after all this time,is Stevie saying that the hole in her nose was caused by aspirin,not cocaine?I understand she is trying to steer people away from the drug,which I applaud her for.But she always mentions the fact that if you do alot of coke you will end up with a giant hole in your nose.So why is she now,after all this time,coming out and saying that the hole was not caused by coke,but by the aspirin?My sis and I have come to the conclusion that she might be afraid that this tidbit might be brought up in Mick's book,and it's better that the world hears it from her first.Either that or she's using coke again but not with the intensity of her last go-round.One thing is for sure - IMO she is totally losing her credibility when she speaks about the subject,which disappoints me and makes me feel a little sad.:sorry::distress:.Any other ideas from my fellow ledgies?

Being baffled after reading a SN interview is a normal response.

Nickingham
09-18-2014, 10:41 AM
My sister and I were discussing this interview and we're baffled.Why,after all this time,is Stevie saying that the hole in her nose was caused by aspirin,not cocaine?I understand she is trying to steer people away from the drug,which I applaud her for.But she always mentions the fact that if you do alot of coke you will end up with a giant hole in your nose.So why is she now,after all this time,coming out and saying that the hole was not caused by coke,but by the aspirin?My sis and I have come to the conclusion that she might be afraid that this tidbit might be brought up in Mick's book,and it's better that the world hears it from her first.Either that or she's using coke again but not with the intensity of her last go-round.One thing is for sure - IMO she is totally losing her credibility when she speaks about the subject,which disappoints me and makes me feel a little sad.:sorry::distress:.Any other ideas from my fellow ledgies?

Stevie was correct when she said cocaine ate a hole through her nose. But the combination of the two (done at different intervals) can wreak havoc on the septum and damage it quicker within a short period of time. Cocaine constricts the blood vessels. Aspirin dilates them. The constant back and forth between states can weaken the blood vessels and tissue. Imagine blowing up a balloon and deflating it over and over. Eventually the balloon will become weak.

Anything that is snorted up into the nose can be dangerous, even substances that are normally harmless; especially in powder form. Not every granule is the same. Some have jagged edges and form into clumps. Ever empty the canister on a vaccum and there's still a tiny amount of dirt stuck in there that you have to manually pry out? That is what can happen with your nose. And the longer the particles sit in there, the more it can erode the nasal tissue/cartilage over time. Even if you snort water, it won't break down every particle.

Cocaine can also damage your vocal cords because of "coke drip" (post-nasal drip). The ears, nose and throat are all connected. Anything that gets into one area can affect all the others. This, combined with touring and straining her voice, is what damaged Stevie's voice. If you listen to some of her songs between Rumours and RAL you can hear this.

Moral of the story; DON'T DO DRUGS!

Oh, and sometimes Stevie does contradict herself.
Unless she's talking about life lessons and consequences, in which case; she is right.
Gotta read between those lines baby!

PenguinHead
09-18-2014, 02:33 PM
Either that or she's using coke again but not with the intensity of her last go-round.
:shocked: ?

I submit my "ideas."

She assumed the hole was solely caused by the cocaine. She was not aware the aspirin exacerbated the situation. Of course, all this is just old history. Credibility? Afraid? Really? She's been fairly upfront about her past issues, though she doesn't need to prove (or owe) us anything about her personal life.

This is just pandering to an ordeal that has been so far behind her, for about thirty something years! It was a passage of time. Why still the obsession about it? This does not define or obtain to anything regarding who she is now. A deposition questioning and attacking her character at this stage of her life is unwarranted. All the proselytizing about the perils of drug use is well and good, but it's a tired, dead end topic.

Your distress is my distress, but for very different reasons. Stevie deserves some respect; she has evolved (which is what life is all about). I'm more interested to ponder what she's doing now and what her future holds.

BlueLight
09-18-2014, 02:49 PM
:shocked: ?

I submit my "ideas."

She assumed the hole was caused by the cocaine. She was not aware it was caused by the aspirin. Of course is all this is all old history. Credibility? Afraid? Really? She's been fairly upfront about her past issues, though she doesn't need to prove (or owe) us anything about her personal life.

All of this is so far behind her, for about thirty something years! hat was a moment in time. Why still the obsession about it? This does not define anything regarding who she is now. A deposition questioning and attacking her character at this stage of her life is unwarranted. All the proselytizing about the perils of drug use is well and good, but it's a tired, dead end topic.

Your distress is my distress, but for very different reasons. Stevie deserves some respect. I'm more interested to ponder what she's doing now and what her future holds. Let it be present.

Well said! :thumbsup: