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FuzzyPlum
07-28-2014, 11:09 AM
Rehearsals should be starting soon. What exactly will Christine McVie's contributions to this tour be?
Here's my guess:
Say You Love Me- I think this will be her first song. I don't think it will open the show though.
Why- She's mentioned there may be a few surprises. This could be the time to bring out this fan favourite. Fingers crossed.
You Make Loving Fun- A definite.
New Song- I'm pretty sure they'll play a couple of new songs ahead of an album release.
Little Lies- Probably this or Everywhere- not sure they'll play both.
Isn’t It Midnight- Would love to see Lindsey shred this live.
Don’t Stop- A definite.
Songbird- Has to close the show.

Of course I'd love to hear other songs in the set but realistically I think she'd be limited to a maximum of 8. Why's probably the least likely.

Danigirl
07-28-2014, 11:25 AM
For some reason I feel Little Lies will surely be apart of this set list. I am also inclined to believe Tusk tracks will be the "surprises." Well maybe one Tusk track (Never Forget) and one Mirage (Hold Me). I highly doubt "Why" will be included. I just don't want to get my hopes up, I guess.

FuzzyPlum
07-28-2014, 11:33 AM
For some reason I feel Little Lies will surely be apart of this set list. I am also inclined to believe Tusk tracks will be the "surprises." Well maybe one Tusk track (Never Forget) and one Mirage (Hold Me). I highly doubt "Why" will be included. I just don't want to get my hopes up, I guess.

Yeah, wishful thinking. In reality, substitute Why for Hold Me. It would still be good to hear Hold Me.

Tusky
07-28-2014, 12:04 PM
Didn't they mention Brown Eyes was one of the tracks?

FuzzyPlum
07-28-2014, 01:09 PM
Didn't they mention Brown Eyes was one of the tracks?

Unless I've missed something I don't think anything has been confirmed. In the 'Works interview' she said;
'I think we're going to concentrate on the obvious ones, on my major hits, sticking the odd left of centre one in now and again. It could be anything from Brown Eyes, it could be Oh Daddy, it could be something even more obscure. I mean, never say never, there's going to be the odd song that pops up and we say oh why don't we try that'.

So, if anyone in the band (or associated with the band) looks at The Ledge then please, please please let your left of centre song be 'Why'.

Ulpian
07-28-2014, 01:28 PM
I think that it's almost inevitable that one of her Tusk songs will be in the set. I don't much care for them, I have to say, but if I had to guess I'd say it'll be Brown Eyes or Over & Over.

I think otherwise:-

Everywhere (not Little Lies)
Say You Love Me
Songbird (midway through the set, this time, in an acoustic section)
You Make Loving Fun
Don't Stop
New Song

I think they may drop World Turning.

jbrownsjr
07-28-2014, 10:12 PM
I think that it's almost inevitable that one of her Tusk songs will be in the set. I don't much care for them, I have to say, but if I had to guess I'd say it'll be Brown Eyes or Over & Over.

I think otherwise:-

Everywhere (not Little Lies)
Say You Love Me
Songbird (midway through the set, this time, in an acoustic section)
You Make Loving Fun
Don't Stop
New Song

I think they may drop World Turning.

I like the way you think, but they'll never drop World Turning. : 0 /

sywlindseyfan
07-29-2014, 03:52 AM
I think you all are forgetting "Over my Head." I also want Chris to play the first song she played live on stage after 15 years of retirement "Get Like You Used to Be"

WatchChain
07-29-2014, 08:06 AM
I'm speculating that 8 Christine songs will make the set list. They will be:

Say You Love Me
You Make Loving Fun
Songbird
Everywhere
Don't Stop
Brown Eyes
Hold Me
New Song (from the recent sessions)

macfan 57
07-29-2014, 10:56 AM
I'm speculating that 8 Christine songs will make the set list. They will be:

Say You Love Me
You Make Loving Fun
Songbird
Everywhere
Don't Stop
Brown Eyes
Hold Me
New Song (from the recent sessions)

This would be what I'd like, except I'd substitute Little Lies for Everywhere. They can do Everywhere when they go to Europe next year. I'd really love Why, but I think there's pretty much no chance of that happening. If they did a new song from the Chris/Lindsey studio sessions, that would make up for them not playing Why.

Ulpian
07-29-2014, 02:41 PM
This would be what I'd like, except I'd substitute Little Lies for Everywhere. They can do Everywhere when they go to Europe next year. I'd really love Why, but I think there's pretty much no chance of that happening. If they did a new song from the Chris/Lindsey studio sessions, that would make up for me not playing Why.

I'd like to hear Little Lies but my instinct tells me that TITN will only get one Christine song, so it's between that and Everywhere.

I like Hold Me, but not sure how they'd do it live. The 1982 tour version was a bit ropey...

FuzzyPlum
07-29-2014, 03:12 PM
My hunch is they'll want to make the whole 'Rumours band' reunion thing sufficiently different to The Dance. For that reason I think they may go for Little Lies over Everywhere.

Wdm6789
07-29-2014, 08:22 PM
Please play Hold Me!

Lol I know I know.

The Christine songs I want in, other than Hold me, are:

Say you love me

You make loving fun

Little lies

Everywhere

Isn't it midnight

Love in store

Songbird would be nice of course maybe it could be paired with Landslide, if it isn't the final encore.

Don't stop, of course.

I'm only expecting one song from Tango in the night. I feel like Say you love me and You make loving fun are a sure thing. Christine and the others especially Lindsey keep saying they're doing Christine's hits. They haven't done any of Christine's Mirage songs since 1982 so it gives me hope for Hold me. I also somewhat expect they will just recycle The Dance yet again.

I am really excited to see Christine on the piano/keyboard for Sara, I know it's Stevie's, but I really want to see it live with Christine back. I hope they don't take Sara off the list.

The Chain is going to be awesome too with all five of them.

I've only seen the four of them live and I never thought I would ever see all five, so I'm pretty excited.

He's So Unusual
07-30-2014, 04:56 PM
Brown Eyes and Isn't It Midnight are the two songs I'm hoping will be performed. Heart of Stone would be a nice surprise, but I doubt it will be wheeled out.

jbrownsjr
07-30-2014, 10:46 PM
Brown Eyes and Isn't It Midnight are the two songs I'm hoping will be performed. Heart of Stone would be a nice surprise, but I doubt it will be wheeled out.

If they did Heart of Stone, I would have a Heart Attack!

Montclare
07-30-2014, 11:20 PM
I'm speculating that 8 Christine songs will make the set list. They will be:

Say You Love Me
You Make Loving Fun
Songbird
Everywhere
Don't Stop
Brown Eyes
Hold Me
New Song (from the recent sessions)

I think it'll be eight songs too. Pretty much agree with the songs you listed too.

Eight songs I think it'll be-

Say You Love Me
You Make Loving Fun
Songbird
Everywhere (or Little Lies)
Don't Stop
Brown Eyes
Hold Me (or Love in Store)
Over My Head (or new song if they are doing them)

Eight songs I would like them to be-

Why
Spare Me A Little
Songbird
Brown Eyes
Never Make Me Cry
Over and Over
Love in Store
Hold Me (or new song)

Dragon
07-31-2014, 04:43 PM
I expect seven songs written or co-written by Christine, traditionally played in the set, will be performed:
"Don't Stop"
"Everywhere"
"Over My Head"
"Say You Love Me"
"Songbird"
"World Turning"
"You Make Loving Fun"

I would like Christine to pull some gems from Tango in the Night that have not been performed with this lineup ever: "Little Lies" and "Isn't It Midnight."

HoursAndHours
08-01-2014, 08:22 PM
I'd love to hear Think About Me if we're thinking Tusk sessions. I hear that on Muzak stations all the time, and I think it's uptempo enough to go over well. But talk about a back catalog... she could hypothetically play anything back to what, Future Games? Maybe they'll do Morning Rain. LOL.

HomerMcvie
08-02-2014, 01:22 AM
I'd love to hear Think About Me if we're thinking Tusk sessions. I hear that on Muzak stations all the time, and I think it's uptempo enough to go over well. But talk about a back catalog... she could hypothetically play anything back to what, Future Games? Maybe they'll do Morning Rain. LOL. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Think About Me. It has made EVERY single greatest hits compilation I have ever made in my life.

My fantasy would have her doing
Think About Me
Hold Me
Why
Love In Store
Love Shines
As Long As You Follow.

Is that asking too much? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!:blob2:

shackin'up
08-02-2014, 09:34 AM
I LOVE LOVE LOVE Think About Me. It has made EVERY single greatest hits compilation I have ever made in my life.

My fantasy would have her doing
Think About Me
Hold Me
Why
Love In Store
Love Shines
As Long As You Follow.

Is that asking too much? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!:blob2:

Oh, I'd love to hear the first four, but those last two? Replace them with Over & Over and Get it like you used to be, or Brown Eyes, and I'll agree...

HoursAndHours
08-02-2014, 02:00 PM
I LOVE LOVE LOVE Think About Me. It has made EVERY single greatest hits compilation I have ever made in my life.

Same here. But like I said in another thread, I'd love to rock out to Save Me. I think if I got to choose 8 (and had to include hits), my list would be:

Think About Me
You Make Loving Fun
Don't Stop
Say You Love Me
Songbird
Everywhere
Save Me
As Long As You Follow

aleuzzi
08-03-2014, 12:39 AM
In all probability, her songs will be pretty darn close to the ones she did on The Dance. There will be room for one surprise...whatever that may be.

I predict:

Say You Love Me
Don't Stop
Songbird
You Make Loving Fun
Everywhere
Over My Head

Plus: one new song and the "left of center" choice (Oh Daddy, Little Lies, Or Brown Eyes).

I wish they'd do Isn't it Midnight. Hoping. Hoping. Hoping.

HomerMcvie
08-03-2014, 01:53 AM
Oh, I'd love to hear the first four, but those last two? Replace them with Over & Over and Get it like you used to be, or Brown Eyes, and I'll agree...
I would accept your first two choices. Ledgies forever changed the meaning of Brown Eyes for me, and not for the better!:mad::mad::mad:

When you look at me with that brown eye, what do you want to do?:mad::lol::shocked::(

HomerMcvie
08-03-2014, 01:56 AM
In all probability, her songs will be pretty darn close to the ones she did on The Dance. There will be room for one surprise...whatever that may be.

I predict:

Say You Love Me
Don't Stop
Songbird
You Make Loving Fun
Everywhere
Over My Head

Plus: one new song and the "left of center" choice (Oh Daddy, Little Lies, Or Brown Eyes).

I wish they'd do Isn't it Midnight. Hoping. Hoping. Hoping.
Of course they'll play it safe. It's FM! Mick has a couple more fortunes to lose.

I guess older artists don't take chances any more. Too afraid of not selling out. Oh wait...ugh....:D

shackin'up
08-04-2014, 05:15 AM
I would accept your first two choices. Ledgies forever changed the meaning of Brown Eyes for me, and not for the better!:mad::mad::mad:

When you look at me with that brown eye, what do you want to do?:mad::lol::shocked::(

Oh my friggin' my. Did you have to do that? I can't listen to that song without your added connotation now.

HomerMcvie
08-04-2014, 11:41 AM
Oh my friggin' my. Did you have to do that? I can't listen to that song without your added connotation now.

I KNOW! Somebody here ruined it for me, years ago.

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!:mad:

bethelblues
08-04-2014, 04:37 PM
I'd like to see this:

Say You Love Me
Little Lies
Brown Eyes -- Why are people not including this? Wasn't it confirmed on Twitter? If this is in, Think About Me is out...do you really think two deep cuts from Tusk?
Love In Store
Oh Daddy -- The band loves this song. It has sentimental value. Wasn't it also basically confirmed on Twitter?
Isn't It Midnight
Why
You Make Loving Fun
Songbird

I'm not counting Don't Stop. That's a band song.

I would like Christine to pull some gems from Tango in the Night that have not been performed with this lineup ever: "Little Lies" and "Isn't It Midnight."

THIS!!! 100% No Everywhere. No Over My Head. They do Over My Head and it'll sound like schmaltzy adult contemporary pop music like it did for The Dance. We've got enough of that with Say You Love Me.

secret love
08-04-2014, 11:50 PM
I'd like to see this:

Say You Love Me
Little Lies
Brown Eyes -- Why are people not including this? Wasn't it confirmed on Twitter? If this is in, Think About Me is out...do you really think two deep cuts from Tusk?
Love In Store
Oh Daddy -- The band loves this song. It has sentimental value. Wasn't it also basically confirmed on Twitter?
Isn't It Midnight
Why
You Make Loving Fun
Songbird

I'm not counting Don't Stop. That's a band song.



THIS!!! 100% No Everywhere. No Over My Head. They do Over My Head and it'll sound like schmaltzy adult contemporary pop music like it did for The Dance. We've got enough of that with Say You Love Me.

Wasn't Think About Me a single? I wouldn't really call it a deep cut. I'd also love Little Lies and Isn't it Midnight to be included in the setlist. Hoping they tour Australia next year as I don't think I can make it to the US.

bethelblues
08-05-2014, 07:57 AM
Wasn't Think About Me a single? I wouldn't really call it a deep cut. I'd also love Little Lies and Isn't it Midnight to be included in the setlist. Hoping they tour Australia next year as I don't think I can make it to the US.

Oh, you're right! I should have remembered that. Still it's a lot to ask to see more than one song by the same person from an album other than Rumours and Fleetwood Mac. I think Angel and Think About Me sound very similar sonically. It'll probably be one or the other.

SteveMacD
08-08-2014, 12:25 AM
SYLM
YMLF
Don't Stop
Songbird
One or two from "Tango..,"
Maybe a new song.

Dream song: the Chicken Shack version of GLYUTB, but only with Mick, John, and Christine done after the Stevie/Lindsey acoustic set. We need to be reminded of why Fleetwood Mac made it that far to begin with. It's been a generation or two since that has happened.

ViscountViktor
08-08-2014, 08:15 AM
YMLF
SYLM
Don't Stop
Songbird
Little Lies
Oh Daddy
Brown Eyes
Hold Me

Dragon
08-08-2014, 07:54 PM
I'd like to see this:

Say You Love Me
Little Lies
Brown Eyes -- Why are people not including this? Wasn't it confirmed on Twitter? If this is in, Think About Me is out...do you really think two deep cuts from Tusk?
Love In Store
Oh Daddy -- The band loves this song. It has sentimental value. Wasn't it also basically confirmed on Twitter?
Isn't It Midnight
Why
You Make Loving Fun
Songbird

I'm not counting Don't Stop. That's a band song.



THIS!!! 100% No Everywhere. No Over My Head. They do Over My Head and it'll sound like schmaltzy adult contemporary pop music like it did for The Dance. We've got enough of that with Say You Love Me.

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Wasn't Think About Me a single? I wouldn't really call it a deep cut. I'd also love Little Lies and Isn't it Midnight to be included in the setlist. Hoping they tour Australia next year as I don't think I can make it to the US.

Oh, you're right! I should have remembered that. Still it's a lot to ask to see more than one song by the same person from an album other than Rumours and Fleetwood Mac. I think Angel and Think About Me sound very similar sonically. It'll probably be one or the other.

Yes, "Think About Me" was the third single from Tusk. It charted. I do not think it was a major hit compared to "Tusk" and "Sara". "Think About Me" receives airplay from random music playlists at retailers.

jbrownsjr
08-08-2014, 09:34 PM
^^ I hear that song a lot lately.

What can I say it's not against the law!

AliceLover
08-09-2014, 09:47 AM
What we'll get:

Say You Love Me
Over My Head (God, please no)
Oh Daddy (No! No! No!)
Don't Stop
Songbird
You Make Loving Fun
Brown Eyes (Nooooooo!)
Everywhere

In my wildest dreams:

Isn't it Midnight
Little Lies
Love Shines
Skies the Limit
Save Me
You Make Loving Fun
Never Forget
Heart of Stone

michelej1
08-09-2014, 10:34 PM
Christine fans should go to Richard's tumbler too. He posted a really nice poolside picture of her in Australia, sometime between 1977-1980.

http://dickdash.tumblr.com/

FuzzyPlum
08-10-2014, 01:50 AM
Christine fans should go to Richard's tumbler too. He posted a really nice poolside picture of her in Australia, sometime between 1977-1980.

http://dickdash.tumblr.com/

Its an incredible picture and not like one I've ever seen. She looks so young!

PenguinHead
08-10-2014, 11:18 PM
I think you all are forgetting "Over my Head." I also want Chris to play the first song she played live on stage after 15 years of retirement "Get Like You Used to Be"
Would be great if the she performed this song. It would be such a symbolic statement; a song she performed early on, when Lindsey and Stevie joined the band. And, by rejoining the band after such a long absence, she is truly getting back to what she used to be.I really love

I'm really loving the dickdash blog. It's like a living interaction book of insight and knowledge. I hope Richard keeps it going.

michelej1
08-11-2014, 12:59 AM
I'm really loving the dickdash blog. It's like a living interaction book of insight and knowledge. I hope Richard keeps it going.

It's really incredible. I love it. He may not do it for long, but in just a couple of days I feel like his little insights and pics have brought me closer to the band. I cherish the tidbits.

Michele

jbrownsjr
08-11-2014, 12:00 PM
It's really incredible. I love it. He may not do it for long, but in just a couple of days I feel like his little insights and pics have brought me closer to the band. I cherish the tidbits.

Michele

It has really been a great read. And he answers questions rather quickly. Great website.

McLamb
08-12-2014, 07:06 PM
I don't know which of Christine's songs we'll get this time around, and as we get closer to the start of the tour I won't read anything about it until I go to the concert in October. I want to be surprised!

I'm bracing myself for a rehash of The Dance, but I'd be really happy if they did:

Remember Me
Morning Rain
Say You Love Me
Everywhere
Spare Me A Little Of Your Love
Over & Over
Behind The Mask
Why

:blob2:

michelej1
08-12-2014, 07:25 PM
As for the setlist, I won't be picky about it, but I hope they can rework the arrangement of an existing song the way they did Say You Love Me on the last tour. That new spin on an old classic was such a revelation. I want to see them do it again. I'll let them choose which song.

It has really been a great read. And he answers questions rather quickly. Great website.

I remember the whip cream pie fight video they had for Richard's going away party, but it sounds like that wasn't a new or unique thing for this band at all. Apparently, they often threw food and drinks at each other.

My question is, did Christine throw the deli platter at him deliberately. If so, he's not telling what he did to prompt her ire. OR did he just come in the door at the wrong time and get hit by it, when he wasn't the intended target? It actually sounds like something that happens in a sitcom. I can see it on Three's Company. Someone gets hit by a deli platter and they angrily pick up sodden meat and throw it back at someone else, then -- FOOD FIGHT.

Michele

bombaysaffires
08-12-2014, 08:53 PM
As for the setlist, I won't be picky about it, but I hope they can rework the arrangement of an existing song the way they did Say You Love Me on the last tour. That new spin on an old classic was such a revelation. I want to see them do it again. I'll let them choose which song.



I remember the whip cream pie fight video they had for Richard's going away party, but it sounds like that wasn't a new or unique thing for this band at all. Apparently, they often threw food and drinks at each other.

My question is, did Christine throw the deli platter at him deliberately. If so, he's not telling what he did to prompt her ire. OR did he just come in the door at the wrong time and get hit by it, when he wasn't the intended target? It actually sounds like something that happens in a sitcom. I can see it on Three's Company. Someone gets hit by a deli platter and they angrily pick up sodden meat and throw it back at someone else, then -- FOOD FIGHT.

Michele

I didn't get the sense that she did it out of ire….it sounded like a prank. He said everyone was urging him to go back there, so it sounded like they were all in on it and knew what awaited him.

I found it interesting that he ran to hide from John who would be pissed that Richard defended himself against Chris's "attack" !

michelej1
08-12-2014, 09:21 PM
I didn't get the sense that she did it out of ire….it sounded like a prank. He said everyone was urging him to go back there, so it sounded like they were all in on it and knew what awaited him.



He said that one of them was threatening to quit the band, so I got the impression that they were arguing and JC sent him in there to round them up. I don't think it was a practical joke. I think they were bickering with one another and that's why JC disappeared and let Richard do the work. Richard went in and got caught in the cross fire. And if it had been a joke, I don't think John would have been chasing him afterwards, because him throwing food back at her would have been funny too -- as in the whip cream fight that we got to witness on video. It wouldn't have been cause for John's revenge.

Michele

bombaysaffires
08-12-2014, 10:58 PM
He said that one of them was threatening to quit the band, so I got the impression that they were arguing and JC sent him in there to round them up. I don't think it was a practical joke. I think they were bickering with one another and that's why JC disappeared and let Richard do the work. Richard went in and got caught in the cross fire. And if it had been a joke, I don't think John would have been chasing him afterwards, because him throwing food back at her would have been funny too -- as in the whip cream fight that we got to witness on video. It wouldn't have been cause for John's revenge.

Michele

Here's Richard's post in response to someone asking Do you have any cool backstage or tour stories?

Once upon a time at the Syracuse War Memorial in NY, first tour I think 1974, I was met right after the show by JC (John Courage) at the sound board. I was told that the band was breaking up (I think Chris was leaving the band this time) & I was needed backstage right away. Upon arriving at the backstage door, I briefly remember catching a glimpse of Christine right before a platter, & I mean a giant platter of cold cuts hit me squarely in the face with the force of a Lindsey guitar solo. In the midst of much laughter, I picked up as much mayonnaise laden bad meat as my hand could muster & hurled it right at Chris. SPLAT! I ran like a scared rat because I knew John M. would have to defend his wife & he did not disappoint. By now, the whole band & road crew were all involved & he had a hard time hunting me down. That night, we were ferrying clean towels to the venue from the hotel in a vain attempt to clean the place. But to no avail. The next day, the local paper was abuzz with how FM trashed the War Memorial, had no respect for the Vets, (bull****) & would have to pay for the damage. Well, when Johnny M found me the next day, it wasn’t food he hit me with, but the threat of the entire bill for the venue. Wow, it wasn’t my fault…. I never ended up paying………

I wouldn't think there would be "much laughter" from him and the band if she were really pissed. Saying the band broke up still sounds like a ruse to me.

We should ask him since he seems open to questions.

michelej1
08-12-2014, 11:32 PM
I wouldn't think there would be "much laughter" from him and the band if she were really pissed. Saying the band broke up still sounds like a ruse to me.

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Laughter because she was throwing a platter and Richard walked in unexpectedly and got hit with it. The fact that John Courage disappeared is telling to me. If it was a joke JC would have popped in and gone, "ha ha, We got you!" Instead, JC laid low for the rest of the night.

Furthermore, they regretted messing up the place the way they did and had to scramble to clean it up -- which they did not. They got bad press for violating a war memorial. If it were a planned joke, I don't think they would have plotted to make as much of a mess as they did in that location. It sounds like something that happened spontaneously.

I think they were bickering, but not so intensely that Richard getting hit with deli meat wouldn't delight them. They still had a sense of humor.

Michele

bombaysaffires
08-13-2014, 12:41 AM
well you got me wondering so I decided to ask Richard on his tumblr. I was floored he answered almost immediately. He says totally a prank. Here's the Q&A

Anonymous: Richard, so believe it or not your behind-the-scenes tour story about Chris and the platter has generated some debate. Some think it's a funny road story about how the band pranked you, and others say no Chris was really mad and was really threatening to leave the band and you walked in at the wrong time and got hit. (I think it's the former). Can you clarify?

It was a total joke, it was one of my first tours and I guess this was part of my breaking in process, being the newbie. Chris did not really threaten to leave that night, let me be clear about that. This was to get me back stage right away. PRANK ! Sorry I wasn’t more clear, my bad.

Thank you Richard for being so accessible and cool!

Montclare
08-13-2014, 08:59 AM
He's awesome to be answering all of these, especially so quickly!

michelej1
08-13-2014, 12:18 PM
well you got me wondering so I decided to ask Richard on his tumblr. I was floored he answered almost immediately. He says totally a prank. Here's the Q&A



Thanks for getting the answer. Saying that someone was threatening to leave didn't sound like a ruse to me, because Stevie said that they were all threatening to leave at different times around the time they were recording the White album, except for her. And that it was only when they started having success that none of them wanted to quit. So, I totally believed Chris was threatening to leave. On that day. And that John and Lindsey threatened to leave probably at many other times.

But I didn't know how he got the platter in his face at just the right time. It reminded me of Jack Tripper on Three's Company or I Love Lucy. Probably Mick and Stevie were the only ones who didn't say anything about leaving that first year.

Michele

aleuzzi
08-14-2014, 08:59 AM
Richard's take on Christine is quite different from Ken's, who found her sarcastic and blunt.

He sees Chris as a healing comforter. A more expected assessment. Reading Bob Welch and Ken Kaillat's observations/memories you'd think it was a different person.