Different Versions of Songs That Are Better

[welcomechris]

Different Versions of Songs That Are Better (I had one in the SN thread so I thought i'd make one for FM)

Believe Me (Live 1977) (http://www.mediafire.com/listen/k6vqii348qmitv1/02+Believe+Me.MP3)

Smile at You (Angry) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy1s5f_-Vzg)

You Make Loving Fun (Extended Outtake) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/jdrdf3sgnippjol/You%20Make%20Loving%20Fun.mp3)


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[HoursAndHours]

I think I will always prefer the piano demo "No Light" version of Planets of the Universe, followed by the version from the Rumours expansion - both over the version on TISL. Partly because I heard it first, but moreso because to me, it says more, and says it better, in less words. I feel like it's better poetry in it's raw form, I guess.

[BLY]

I really like Oh Daddy from the Rumours Expanded cd with Stevie 's voice much more prominent.

[PenguinHead]

I really like Oh Daddy from the Rumours Expanded cd with Stevie 's voice much more prominent.

I like that version too. Wonder why they didn't choose that one for the album; Stevie's harmonies really add a nice dynamic to the song. For a brief time, early on she did sing the harmony when they performed it in concert.

[WatchChain]

I really like Oh Daddy from the Rumours Expanded cd with Stevie 's voice much more prominent.

That is an AMAZING version of "Oh Daddy". I love it when Christine and Stevie harmonize together and I wish the mix of "Oh Daddy" that made the Rumours album included more prominent harmonizing from Stevie.

In addition, I prefer the version of "You Make Loving Fun" on the expanded Rumours that features a clearer version of Stevie singing harmony on the chorus, much like she did in the live versions from 1977-1979. By 1982, in concert it seemed that Stevie was no longer singing harmony on the chorus of "You Make Loving Fun", only at the end of the song. I would very much like for Stevie to go back to harmonizing on the chorus of this song for the upcoming tour.

[sanders8323]

By 1982, in concert it seemed that Stevie was no longer singing harmony on the chorus of "You Make Loving Fun", only at the end of the song. I would very much like for Stevie to go back to harmonizing on the chorus of this song for the upcoming tour.

I think the reason for this is by 1982, Stevie had lost a bit of her upper range, so it wouldn't have been as pleasant to hear her harmonize on that part.

But several times, not just on "Oh Daddy" and "You Make Loving Fun", it seems that Stevie's background vocals were either brought lower into the mix or removed altogether. Many of Lindsey's songs on the Tusk album could've benefited from Stevie's harmonizing, as well as from Christine's.

But back on the subject of this thread now, I quite like the extended version of "Silver Springs" on the re-release of Rumours, as well as the single versions of "Rhiannon" and "Say You Love Me." The extended version of "Gypsy" on The Chain box set is better than the LP version, and so is the extended version of Love in Store. The single mix of "Say You Will" is also better than the album version. Speaking of that album, the version of "Peacekeeper" that Lindsey did solo trumps the version on the LP. The original version of "Gold Dust Woman" is better than the alternate mix that was put out on the original CD version of Rumours. I remember some members here commenting that they couldn't hear the glass breaking sound effect, and I believe this is because that is missing from the original version but is present on the alternate. Thankfully, the original was brought back when the album was re-released in the expanded version. Stevie's wailing and the guitars are more prominent. There's also the fade in when the song starts and an earlier fade out.

[WatchChain]

Many of Lindsey's songs on the Tusk album could've benefited from Stevie's harmonizing, as well as from Christine's.

You've made a great point there. I would have loved to hear Stevie add background vocals on "I Know I'm Not Wrong" and "That's Enough For Me", it seems that those are those songs recorded alone by Lindsey in his bathroom. :laugh:

[sanders8323]

You've made a great point there. I would have loved to hear Stevie add background vocals on "I Know I'm Not Wrong" and "That's Enough For Me", it seems that those are those songs recorded alone by Lindsey in his bathroom. :laugh:

Stevie sounds like she actually may be present on one of the verses in IKINW, but that could just be Lindsey altering the pitch of his vocal to sound like her.

[jcalzaretta]

I totally agree with the comments on Oh Daddy from the outtake CD. Stevie's harmonies are there are awesome. I will tell what I did not like. The versions of Over My Head and Sisters of the Moon on the VBOFM. The opening of OMH and the end of Sisters are hideous.

[shackin'up]

I still wholeheartedly disagree with the overall idea of the Smile At You demo being better than the SYW version. I think the endproduct is beautiful, spiritual, and mesmerizing. Even John's bass ONLY blows that crappy demo out of here.

[goldustsongbird]

I really like Oh Daddy from the Rumours Expanded cd with Stevie 's voice much more prominent.

I like that one! Oh Daddy is a usual skip for me, only because it's awkward to sing along to, but I do love Stevie's backup.

[He's So Unusual]

I prefer the single version of Rhiannon to the album version. I love how Stevie singing the line "Dreams unwind, love's a state of mind" is heard more before the song fades out.

Do remixes count? If so, I prefer the extended version of Big Love. I love the little pattern of notes at 4:16 (not sure if that's the best way to describe it, ha ha).

[goldustsongbird]

I prefer the single version of Rhiannon to the album version. I love how Stevie singing the line "Dreams unwind, love's a state of mind" is heard more before the song fades out.

Do remixes count? If so, I prefer the extended version of Big Love. I love the little pattern of notes at 4:16 (not sure if that's the best way to describe it, ha ha).

YES, and I wish the radio would play the single more these days. It's rare on the radio as it is, and when they do play it, it's not the one where you can hear the closing lines.

[bombaysaffires]

YES, and I wish the radio would play the single more these days. It's rare on the radio as it is, and when they do play it, it's not the one where you can hear the closing lines.

really? I find that version too thin and watered down. (Mixed for AM radio)

[ryan4136]

I know I'm not wrong Vynl version for me.

[aleuzzi]

While I love to hear the alternative versions, I think FM usually makes the right decisions about what to put in the album.

The album versions of Oh Daddy and YMLF are smarter inclusions in the context of the record. There are a couple of exceptions: the first version of Second Hand News (amazing bass part) and the single version of Think About Me are better, I think, as is the extended ending version of Love in Store.

Demos are another story. I have found a number of demos or early roughs that are more enjoyable than the album versions. Everywhere, That's Alright, Smile at You, Bella Donna, the Mac's bluesy version of Beauty and the Beast, Hold Me, Planets of the Universe....

.........

I think most of the 1974-76 live versions of Spare Me a Little far surpass the album version....

And with Christine solo, the acoustic version of Friend is one of her best sings ever. It's a crime that version isn't on the record.

[goldustsongbird]

While I love to hear the alternative versions, I think FM usually makes the right decisions about what to put in the album.

The album versions of Oh Daddy and YMLF are smarter inclusions in the context of the record. There are a couple of exceptions: the first version of Second Hand News (amazing bass part) and the single version of Think About Me are better, I think, as is the extended ending version of Love in Store.

Demos are another story. I have found a number of demos or early roughs that are more enjoyable than the album versions. Everywhere, That's Alright, Smile at You, Bella Donna, the Mac's bluesy version of Beauty and the Beast, Hold Me, Planets of the Universe....

.........

I think most of the 1974-76 live versions of Spare Me a Little far surpass the album version....

And with Christine solo, the acoustic version of Friend is one of her best sings ever. It's a crime that version isn't on the record.

Completely agree!

[Fannymac]

The version of "Straight Back" that features more of Christine's backing vocals!

[Johnny Stew]

I definitely prefer the outtake version of "Oh Daddy," with Stevie's prominent backing vocals. Chris & Stevie singing together, just the two of them, is something we needed more of on FM's albums.

[Villavic]

I enjoy a lot listening Sara (3/10/79 Version) included in Tusk Deluxe [Disc 2]. But at the end I always choose the final Tusk version as my favorite.

Now, if there’s an alternative version, better to me than the final song, that is I don’t want to know (early take) included in Rumours: More From The Recording Sessions [Disc 3]. Lindsey really rocks at that performance.

[KenB]

Where can I get his “extended ending” version of Love in Store that you guys are posting about? How have I never heard that one?

[WatchChain]

I really like Oh Daddy from the Rumours Expanded cd with Stevie 's voice much more prominent.

YES! This version of "Oh Daddy" is brilliant!

[WalkAThinLine.]

I prefer the version of "Beautiful Child" that appears on the alternate Tusk. Mick's drumming on the final recording is undynamic and the backing vocals are too obtrusive and less impactful than what we got on the alternate take.

The instrumental recording of "Mystified" also deserves a mention here.

[WatchChain]

I prefer the alternate take of "You Make Loving Fun" on the Deluxe version of "Rumours" with more prominent background vocals by Stevie on the chorus --

"feeling it's time to try/beginning to wonder why".

[HomerMcvie]

I prefer the alternate take of "You Make Loving Fun" on the Deluxe version of "Rumours" with more prominent background vocals by Stevie on the chorus --

"feeling it's time to try/beginning to wonder why".
I agree 100%. I LOVE the alternate lyrics at the end.

[Villavic]

I prefer the alternate take of "You Make Loving Fun" on the Deluxe version of "Rumours" with more prominent background vocals by Stevie on the chorus --

"feeling it's time to try/beginning to wonder why".

Yes!! And the intro.

[Macfan4life]

I will throw in 2 Stevie solo tracks that are completely different versions not just a different mix or slightly alternate version.

How Still My Love - the alternate version is so radically different but just as good as the album track. Both are incredible but the alternate version is so powerful and the music is so radically different.

Sable On Blonde - the alternate version is so freaking good and better than the album track. I like Stevie's voice better and love how the song builds and builds. The ending just needed edited down for the album. I think Jimmy was making The Wild Heart more light rock and pop friendly and wanted Mick playing for maybe a little Mac magic. He was near bankruptcy at that time so maybe he really needed the money ;)

Wild Heart alternate version is much better than the slower more adult contemporary album version too

[Macfan4life]

I will go out on limb and say I like the Tusk version of Beauty and the Beast. I would not say I like it better than Wild Heart but I think it would have added something to Tusk in replace of Beautiful child or Storms. Its a bluesy folksy kind of song which is radically different than the piano/strings ballad Stevie turned it into. I will say her solo version is very nice with the strings and Roy. It was great on the Wild Heart tour but she never did that song justice again. Roy was gone and never returned. RAL era was coked out improvising that ruined the beauty of the song. OSOTM version was tranqulized out. The Tusk version has grown on me over the years.

[BLY]

The Tusk version has grown on me over the years.


I’m disappointed this version wasn’t included on the Tusk box set. I also really liked this version. I don’t think I have it anymore in my collection. I trashed all the bad recording’s I had.

[Macfan4life]

I’m disappointed this version wasn’t included on the Tusk box set. I also really liked this version. I don’t think I have it anymore in my collection. I trashed all the bad recording’s I had.
I know. Its ridiculous. We got 9 versions of I know I'm not wrong or something but no discarded Tusk songs? Its beyond crazy.
And Smile At You is not included in the Mirage box set either.
WTF
Yet we got those crappy Tango songs like Ooh My Love that were not really songs and raw demos. And no full Mirage concert. The HBO show on CD.
God help us.

Its really hard to be a Fleetwood Mac fan when these corporate record companies do this to us :eek:

[jbrownsjr]

I know. Its ridiculous. We got 9 versions of I know I'm not wrong or something but no discarded Tusk songs? Its beyond crazy.
And Smile At You is not included in the Mirage box set either.
WTF
Yet we got those crappy Tango songs like Ooh My Love that were not really songs and raw demos. And no full Mirage concert. The HBO show on CD.
God help us.

Its really hard to be a Fleetwood Mac fan when these corporate record companies do this to us :eek:

I was trying to listen to RAL. Which I like a lot of songs on there. But wow there are some real clunkers. I can't stand Sister Honey. Love the title track... and yes those Tango demos.. some are so bad.

[Macfan4life]

I was trying to listen to RAL. Which I like a lot of songs on there. But wow there are some real clunkers. I can't stand Sister Honey. Love the title track... and yes those Tango demos.. some are so bad.
Sister Honey had huge potential. Imagine the Heartbreakers playing on it with real drums. Or an electric guitar doing the melody. It could have been a bouncy rocker and a great single. But it is drowning in cheeze funk from the first few seconds when Sista is echoed. Then its almost breakdancing time.
The song has a great guitar solo from Les and a good melody. But its pure 80s trash. The title track is even worse. Remember those organ stores at the mall in the 1980s. Remember those casio keyboards for a few hundred? You could press a button and there would be percussion and some pre-recorded music. It sounds like someone bought one of those, hit the button and Waddy does a few guitar licks through it. Stevie is gasping for air in a cocaine hazy whisper.
Ooh my love on Tango sounds like Stevie is drunk and that basic track she is trying to sing to is so horrible. Shocked they released it.

[moon]

In order:

White Album
- Every live version of I'm So Afraid since the Tusk tour is better than the studio version

Rumours
- The Live and The Dance performances of Dreams are better than the final one
- I think Brushes is a little bit better than NGBA
- The live version from Dancing Again ('97) of Oh Daddy is better than the studio one

Tusk
- The whole LP is better than the CD

Mirage
- The extended version of Gypsy is better than the final one
- The demo version of Oh Diane is better than the final one

Tango In The Night
- The alternate version of Isn't It Midnight is a bit better than the final one
- Book Of Miracles is better than Juliet :p

[WalkAThinLine.]

- The demo version of Oh Diane is better than the final one



I actually like this version better than the one found on the deluxe edition. This recording is far more raw than the final release and features prominent organ work from Christine McVie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-GKVaDwmuE

[moon]

I actually like this version better than the one found on the deluxe edition. This recording is far more raw than the final release and features prominent organ work from Christine McVie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-GKVaDwmuE

In fact, this is the version I was talking about! I forgot to say it's the "instrumental" one :thumbsup:

[jbrownsjr]

I actually like this version better than the one found on the deluxe edition. This recording is far more raw than the final release and features prominent organ work from Christine McVie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-GKVaDwmuE

I love this!

[Villavic]

I actually like this version better than the one found on the deluxe edition. This recording is far more raw than the final release and features prominent organ work from Christine McVie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-GKVaDwmuE

I liked too!!! I have never heard it. Does that mean Mick has unreleased material for a new super hyper fancy luxury expanded deluxe Mirage edition?

[Macfan4life]

That version of Oh Diane is leaps better than the final cut. Its so raw and unpredictable which is probably why it was toned down to the Music Box version of Oh Diane. Same with Smile At You. Its also wild and unpredictable and is outside the mold of the music box Mirage. Mirage is overflowing with overdubs and music box predictability.
Did you notice how many times I said music box?
:lol:

[jbrownsjr]

"leaps" is a good word for it. :thumbsup:

[DownOnRodeo]

I'll take Lindsey's achingly soft vocals and delicate guitar on the album cut over this lyric-less jam.

[OutsideTheRain]

Lindsey's solo version of Peacekeeper is light years better than the SYW version.
Stevie's solo version of Thrown Down is light years better than the SYW version.

[WalkAThinLine.]

Lindsey's solo version of Peacekeeper is light years better than the SYW version.
Stevie's solo version of Thrown Down is light years better than the SYW version.

I agree with you on "Thrown Down", although I'm somewhat mixed on "Peacekeeper". The programmed drums on Lindsey's demo is somewhat irksome and very stiff. There are still some programmed drums on the Say You Will version, but the sound of the snare drum is far less grating.

[Villavic]

Say Goodbye. When I heard that song the first time I said "It's just ok".

When I saw the 2005 Soundstage Presents Lindsey Buckingham Live In Concert performance, I loved that song. It had nothing to do with Stevie being there. It was because he sang it with far more feeling. The guitar is different than the studio version, too. Slower in the moments it has to be. Contrary to the studio version, where I always imagine the Road Runner running swiftly through the desert.