Why Hasn't Stevie Been Asked About The New FM Record?

[pauls90]

Stevie has been to various events the past few weeks - including the BMI awards last night.

Though it was mentioned that Fleetwood Mac is recording, why has no one directly asked her if and when she will record with them and what kind of material she's been working on, etc?

[louielouie2000]

It's downright bizarre, isn't it? The only thing I can think of is Stevie's publicist Liz Rosenberg is squashing any talk of Stevie's involvement in the album. Liz is known to be pretty ruthless & adept at keeping a lid on absolutely anything she doesn't want the press to publish, and at preventing reporters from asking non-approved questions of her clients.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Because the new FM record is now a new Stevie Nicks record...

[aleuzzi]

Yes, the silence is more ominous than any words she might say about it. It means, once again, that Mick and the remaining crew (whoever that happens to be at any given time) has to do a little dance and create a situation that is as comfortable and accommodating for the loose thread--in this case, Stevie. I'm pretty disappointed that this is the track she has taken, as are most FM fans.

I know there are Stevie fans who would prefer a new all-Stevie record, and that's understandable. What I don't understand is how she is essentially dampening this potentially momentous occasion with what is ultimately a selfish move. Sorry, just the way I see it.

Who knows, maybe she is subconsciously reveling herself on Christine for 15years of absence. I'm only half-kidding.

[Jondalar]

Yes, the silence is more ominous than any words she might say about it. It means, once again, that Mick and the remaining crew (whoever that happens to be at any given time) has to do a little dance and create a situation that is as comfortable and accommodating for the loose thread--in this case, Stevie. I'm pretty disappointed that this is the track she has taken, as are most FM fans.

I know there are Stevie fans who would prefer a new all-Stevie record, and that's understandable. What I don't understand is how she is essentially dampening this potentially momentous occasion with what is ultimately a selfish move. Sorry, just the way I see it.

Who knows, maybe she is subconsciously reveling herself on Christine for 15years of absence. I'm only half-kidding.

I'm not the disappointed. We are getting a solo album from her. The most exciting thing about the new album is Chris and Lindsey working together. I'm sure they hit it out of the park.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Yes, the silence is more ominous than any words she might say about it. It means, once again, that Mick and the remaining crew (whoever that happens to be at any given time) has to do a little dance and create a situation that is as comfortable and accommodating for the loose thread--in this case, Stevie. I'm pretty disappointed that this is the track she has taken, as are most FM fans.

I know there are Stevie fans who would prefer a new all-Stevie record, and that's understandable. What I don't understand is how she is essentially dampening this potentially momentous occasion with what is ultimately a selfish move. Sorry, just the way I see it.

Who knows, maybe she is subconsciously reveling herself on Christine for 15years of absence. I'm only half-kidding.

I think you are wrong...Have you considered the fact that Stevie may owe WB a record??? Stevie may be throwing together this record and putting it out this year in order to free up her schedule so she can do FM next year which would mean that Stevie is being totally unselfish and going out of her way to accommodate the band...

[MikeVielhaber]

I think you are wrong...Have you considered the fact that Stevie may owe WB a record??? Stevie may be throwing together this record and putting it out this year in order to free up her schedule so she can do FM next year which would mean that Stevie is being totally unselfish and going out of her way to accommodate the band...

Nice hypothetical. Of course, there no evidence to suggest any of it. I really don't think Stevie's doing this for Fleetwood Mac's benefit. I don't think the band has anything to do with her decision to do this album. I also doubt that Stevie owes WB a record within a certain time frame considering she's been signed to this contract for decades. She may be putting it out now because she knows the FM tour will prevent her from doing it in the near future and it's something she wants to do, but I don't think it has to do with a potential FM album.

[lbfan]

From my general knowledge of the music business (not an expert by any means), there is not a whole lot of money in the album/CD business these days. The real money is touring with FM (especially for this Rumours line up). If Stevie's solo album helps bolster the tour receipts, everyone in FM is better off financially. When LB took a three year break from FM about eight years ago, there might have been some faint hope that album sales would provide some income. When WB/Reprise would not sign him, that must have been a clear signal that the music business has changed and that there is not much money in album sales from aging rockers. However, he might also have wanted to leave a legacy of music for his children. A musical legacy could also be Stevie's motivation, which I would think that LB can appreciate and understand that desire. I am hopeful that we will see at least one more FM from the Rumours lineup (with LB producing) for, if nothing else, the legacy of the group.

[michelej1]

I think you are wrong...Have you considered the fact that Stevie may owe WB a record??? Stevie may be throwing together this record and putting it out this year in order to free up her schedule so she can do FM next year which would mean that Stevie is being totally unselfish and going out of her way to accommodate the band...

If that were the case, Stevie would definitely say so, an issue the thread's title addresses. In 1987, she said:


"Lindsey was doing another solo album, too. If he hadn’t been Lindsey - if he’d have been me - then he could’ve gone ahead and done his at the same time Fleetwood Mac was doing theirs. But Lindsey, having to be the boss - and pretty much the head of this particular tribe at this particular moment - he couldn’t do both. I could, because there wasn’t all that much for me to do, in the technical sense, at the beginning of the record. I didn’t feel weird about it because I didn’t have any choice."

She'd normally be discussing similar logistics required to finish up her solo work to segue into FM today or alternate between the two today.

Michele

[aleuzzi]

I hope I am wrong.

But whatever the case, as a die-hard Mac fan, my wish is to see these people together making an album. Even after decades of solo projects from various members, I do not see any of these artists working at their best on their own. All Mac-member solo stuff (well, most) pales in comparison to their collective efforts. This is why I am so disappointed with the timeline of a new. Mac record, a timeline for which it appears Stevie is in large part responsible.

I may not be realistic or even rational when I say the prospect of a new Mac album with all five Rumours-era members involved should have meant all parties dropped whatever they were doing to commit to the cause. But this is how I feel.

To me, it's a real blow when we life-long fans are kept on hold this way. If the band members were young, I'd say, okay, let's wait. But they are all 70 or nearing 70 and time is of the essence.

[jcalzaretta]

Someone said Stevie is heading to the studio to add vocals to 8 of the cut Fleetwood Mac songs. She will be on the record. Don't think this is unusual for how they recorded some songs in the past.

[pauls90]

Someone said Stevie is heading to the studio to add vocals to 8 of the cut Fleetwood Mac songs. She will be on the record. Don't think this is unusual for how they recorded some songs in the past.

Don't remember seeing this

[aleuzzi]

Someone said Stevie is heading to the studio to add vocals to 8 of the cut Fleetwood Mac songs. She will be on the record. Don't think this is unusual for how they recorded some songs in the past.

She will. But no one has given any indication that she is doing this before the tour in the fall.

While they have worked this way in the past, it is now 2014, many, many years since their last studio record with these five people, and the delay is ridiculous.

[dontlookdown]

I don't see any drama here.
Everything seems to be going great with the
new Fleetwood Mac album; and they're recording
it just like they always do - first without Stevie, then with her.
She's done several solo projects while Fleetwood Mac
albums were being made.
I think it's just that our instant access to a 24 hour news cycle
makes a lot of us fill in blanks and create drama when there really
isn't any.
Everyone in this band has always had busy lives.
It's not a reality TV script - it's just 5 people in a huge
band making music like they always have.

[MikeVielhaber]

I don't see any drama here.
Everything seems to be going great with the
new Fleetwood Mac album; and they're recording
it just like they always do - first without Stevie, then with her.
She's done several solo projects while Fleetwood Mac
albums were being made.
I think it's just that our instant access to a 24 hour news cycle
makes a lot of us fill in blanks and create drama when there really
isn't any.
Everyone in this band has always had busy lives.
It's not a reality TV script - it's just 5 people in a huge
band making music like they always have.

I think it's because of the way the band members have talked about Stevie in regards to her to her involvement. At no point have they made it sound like everything is hunky dory right on schedule. If they had, and they've had every chance to, then there absolutely would be no drama from any of us, I think. They consistently have made it sound like they don't know what her plan is and they just assume she'll join eventually. In Lindsey's latest interview, the first confirming any sort of agreement with Stevie, he uses the words "she has assured us that she will be ready" to work after the tour. Which is good, but even that makes it sound like they need assurance from her, likely because of her reluctance in the past decade to record with the band. We can only wait and hope she follows through.

[macfan 57]

To me, it's a real blow when we life-long fans are kept on hold this way. If the band members were young, I'd say, okay, let's wait. But they are all 70 or nearing 70 and time is of the essence.

And one of those band members has serious health issues too.

I'm not getting any younger either. I just want to hear the new Lindsey/Christine Fleetwood Mac album, with or without Stevie.

As for the upcoming tour, I'd like to see a Fleetwood Mac show with a few new songs that Chris & Lindsey have been working on, not any solo songs that have nothing to do with Fleetwood Mac.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm actually happy this album will be a lot of Buckhingham/McVie. The less Nicks lead vocals the better.

[gssmith]

I don't see any drama here.
Everything seems to be going great with the
new Fleetwood Mac album; and they're recording
it just like they always do - first without Stevie, then with her.
She's done several solo projects while Fleetwood Mac
albums were being made.
I think it's just that our instant access to a 24 hour news cycle
makes a lot of us fill in blanks and create drama when there really
isn't any.
Everyone in this band has always had busy lives.
It's not a reality TV script - it's just 5 people in a huge
band making music like they always have.

Exactly!! It's fun to watch people get so worked up for nothing

[gypsy333]

I don't see any drama here.
Everything seems to be going great with the
new Fleetwood Mac album; and they're recording
it just like they always do - first without Stevie, then with her.
She's done several solo projects while Fleetwood Mac
albums were being made.
I think it's just that our instant access to a 24 hour news cycle
makes a lot of us fill in blanks and create drama when there really
isn't any.
Everyone in this band has always had busy lives.
It's not a reality TV script - it's just 5 people in a huge
band making music like they always have.

I agree!!:cool:

[MikeVielhaber]

Exactly!! It's fun to watch people get so worked up for nothing

Not nothing. Stevie has refused to cooperate with the band for recording for over a decade. She hasn't given them a new song since Say You Will and she still hasn't. Just because she's worked like this before doesn't mean it's the same thing. They also never went on tour without recording an album when that was happening. Now they've done it 3 times in a row and largely because of her. Combine that with comments from the band which make it seem that nothing's changed in her attitude toward recording with the band and there's justifiable cause for concern and skepticism.

[gypsy333]

Exactly!! It's fun to watch people get so worked up for nothing:blob2::blob2::blob2:

[elle]

I think it's just that our instant access to a 24 hour news cycle makes a lot of us fill in blanks and create drama when there really isn't any.

exactly!

this access makes a huge difference. we can choose to think that what we can glance from this current access is something to be ignored and that we know better from the past... or we can choose to think that this access is giving us a window into what may have been happening in the past too, but we couldn't see it because we didn't have that access.

or we can choose to think what's really happening is somewhere in between and there's a lot of deliberate publicity involved in both what we learned in the past and what we learn via social media now - as things usually are. :) :shrug:

definitely fun to read between the lines, even if everyone seems to choose or completely ignore different lines. :laugh:


i also thought Brett Tuggle's recent interview posted on youtube was interesting and somewhat revealing of the priorities and roles of different band members. and Brett should know - he's been touring not only with FM, but also as a member of LB's solo band and SN's solo band.

[gldstwmn]

I don't see any drama here.
Everything seems to be going great with the
new Fleetwood Mac album; and they're recording
it just like they always do - first without Stevie, then with her.
She's done several solo projects while Fleetwood Mac
albums were being made.
I think it's just that our instant access to a 24 hour news cycle
makes a lot of us fill in blanks and create drama when there really
isn't any.
Everyone in this band has always had busy lives.
It's not a reality TV script - it's just 5 people in a huge
band making music like they always have.

Baloney. When Stevie has worked on solo material she was always quick to point out that she was going right back to Fleetwood Mac when she was done. This time around there are nothing but awkward reassurances from everybody but her.
Fleetwood Mac was 24 news cycle before TMZ was even a glimmer in Harvey Levin's eye. Back then you could only fill in the blanks by listening to what they were saying to each other in their music. The fans haven't suddenly become gossip mongers. This is the way it has always been with them.

[aleuzzi]

Exactly!! It's fun to watch people get so worked up for nothing

Actually, we've waited decades for a new album by these five people. I, for one, am pretty irritated that the prospect of one is put on hold. I'm sure in the end it'll all work out but my irritation is real. And there's a real reason to be irritated. Hard core Mac fans have waited and waited and waited and instead of rewarding us with a record this year, we have to wait until 2015--at best? Nothing my foot.

Sure, it'll happen in time. I just think they're all too old to be playing the same games they played when they were 40. Do a friggin' record already. Make it THE priority. None of you would have achieved any fan base if it didn't start with the. Mac.

[Jondalar]

Actually, we've waited decades for a new album by these five people. I, for one, am pretty irritated that the prospect of one is put on hold. I'm sure in the end it'll all work out but my irritation is real. And there's a real reason to be irritated. Hard core Mac fans have waited and waited and waited and instead of rewarding us with a record this year, we have to wait until 2015--at best? Nothing my foot.

Sure, it'll happen in time. I just think they're all too old to be playing the same games they played when they were 40. Do a friggin' record already. Make it THE priority. None of you would have achieved any fan base if it didn't start with the. Mac.

Screw them. It's not Stevie's fault that Lindsey left the band for 10 years and then Christine left for like 15 years. Nicks has used her brains to keep Fleetwood Mac in the minds of people while others were doing their own thing. Give her break! And people need to Give Lindsey a break too! Jesus!!!!!

[MikeVielhaber]

Screw them. It's not Stevie's fault that Lindsey left the band for 10 years and then Christine left for like 15 years. Nicks has used her brains to keep Fleetwood Mac in the minds of people while others were doing their own thing. Give her break! And people need to Give Lindsey a break too! Jesus!!!!!

Lindsey and Christine quit the band. Oh, and by the way, so did Stevie. They all have. In all instances the band went on and recorded without them. Stevie could quit the band if she doesn't want to record with them...that's the considerate thing to do.... but instead she's keeping them hanging on hoping she'll join them to make an album. Who cares if she keeps the Fleetwood Mac name out there if they don't put new music out (and it's her fault)? I'd rather she be in the studio.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Lindsey and Christine quit the band. Oh, and by the way, so did Stevie. They all have. In all instances the band went on and recorded without them. Stevie could quit the band if she doesn't want to record with them...that's the considerate thing to do.... but instead she's keeping them hanging on hoping she'll join them to make an album. Who cares if she keeps the Fleetwood Mac name out there if they don't put new music out (and it's her fault)? I'd rather she be in the studio.

Again it's Stevie's choice not to record with FM...On the other hand it's quite inconsiderate of FM to keep the fans waiting 10 years for an album because they as grown men are afraid to issue an ultimatum to the one member of the band preventing a new record from coming out...It's obvious that Mick, Lindsey and John care more about their bank accounts than they care about giving the fans new music "The Boys"would rather do highly profitable oldies tour after oldies tour instead of issuing an ultimatum ( on recording )and risk Stevie not being involved in future "Cash Grab" tours...To put it simply the entire band is to blame for FM's lack of output not just one member...

[aleuzzi]

Lindsey and Christine quit the band. Oh, and by the way, so did Stevie. They all have. In all instances the band went on and recorded without them. Stevie could quit the band if she doesn't want to record with them...that's the considerate thing to do.... but instead she's keeping them hanging on hoping she'll join them to make an album. Who cares if she keeps the Fleetwood Mac name out there if they don't put new music out (and it's her fault)? I'd rather she be in the studio.

Thank you!

[MikeVielhaber]

Again it's Stevie's choice not to record with FM...On the other hand it's quite inconsiderate of FM to keep the fans waiting 10 years for an album because they as grown men are afraid to issue an ultimatum to the one member of the band preventing a new record from coming out...It's obvious that Mick, Lindsey and John care more about their bank accounts than they care about giving the fans new music "The Boys"would rather do highly profitable oldies tour after oldies tour instead of issuing an ultimatum ( on recording )and risk Stevie not being involved in future "Cash Grab" tours...To put it simply the entire band is to blame for FM's lack of output not just one member...

Yes, they could do that and it would serve the purpose of getting an album out with or without her. However, I think they're trying to be diplomatic about it. Maybe 30 years ago they would've done that, but at their age now they probably would like to preserve the personal relationships they have with each other. So given that, it puts Stevie in the power position where they have to persuade her to cooperate. So while they may all have some share of the blame I would place the majority of it on Stevie.

[Phil]

The real stumbling block regarding the upcoming Mac album is the imminent band tour. There seems to be no conceivable reason for touring at this stage (so soon after the previous one and without any new product due to be released), other than a cash-grab. Yes I've read the spin about welcoming Christine back into the fold, but that's just nonsense. If the band truly wanted to get the album completed and issued, then the tour would not be occurring at this stage.
I am somewhat disappointed by Stevie's (perceived) lack of enthusiasm for a Mac album, but even if she had been available from March to April (when the recording sessions occurred), there still wouldn't have been a finished album.
It might be argued that Lindsey and Christine have ceased recording for the time being due to Stevie's lack of involvement, but it's equally possible that they don't wish to continue at this stage for other reasons. Christine has spoken about wanting to return to the UK before the tour rehearsals begin in July and perhaps Lindsey wishes to spend time with his family during the interim period (somebody here recently mentioned him usually vacationing at this time of year). There is also John's medical condition/treatment to consider - none of us know exactly what his current situation is.
I have said this before and still believe that Stevie had intended to record a solo album this year, prior to Christine's decision to re-join the band. Undoubtedly, she and Dave Stewart would have planned the Nashville sessions some time ago, with Blackbird Studios and the 'wrecking crew' of musicians having been booked some time in advance.
Dave is constantly working with all manner of artists and just to pin him down for a few consecutive weeks would be a challenge in itself. He has previously mentioned collaborating with Stevie on new compositions over the last couple of years and so they obviously have maintained a working relationship since the In Your Dreams album/tour/documentary ran it's course.
Stevie has spoken about locating the 'vault' demos for her latest album on Youtube and I suspect this was undertaken some time last year. In order for these 17 or 18 songs to be knocked out so quickly in the studio, sufficient time would have been required to become familiar with them and pre-determine arrangements etc. Therefore, I do honestly think Stevie was committed to this solo project before any firm plans were hatched for a Mac album.
As frustrating as this all might be to fans, this band always takes it's sweet time in getting anything done and this next album will be no exception. One could argue that Stevie is disinterested and non-committal; Lindsey is dictatorial and tactless; Christine might be capricious; John has been ill and Mick has been stirring the proverbial pot... who knows? There's no point apportioning blame as this won't alter the situation. We just need to hope that age doesn't wither these individuals and that eventually new music is bestowed upon us.

[elle]

The real stumbling block regarding the upcoming Mac album is the imminent band tour.

they had 6 full months. they could have easily finished the recording if everybody's been on board. and maybe that was their initial plan. maybe start of the tour was giving them a deadline to work towards.

seems like a very reasonable timetable actually - you record for 6 months and finish recording, get into rehearsals while the album is being mixed and mastered, and the publishing takes place during the tour.

i really don't see how people can rationalize Stevie starting an album in April and putting it out in October, and in the same breath saying that with 8 previously recorded and almost done songs, FM couldn't have finished recording an album in 6 months they had before their summer vacations, and putting it out at the start of the tour in October. :shrug:

[elle]

As frustrating as this all might be to fans, this band always takes it's sweet time in getting anything done and this next album will be no exception.

yes, and now some of the reasons for them "taking their sweet time" seem to be coming out, yet many people choose to rationalize those reasons away.

[Phil]

elle, I find it absurd that you would possibly think 6 months was sufficient for this band to complete an album. Are you kidding?
That said, some artists are capable of recording an album in 3 weeks... :laugh:

[Phil]

PS Don't rule out the possibility of this next Mac tour being extended into early 2015 and beyond. That will further delay the proposed album.
Consideration should also be given to the fact that Stevie intends upon releasing her solo album whilst Fleetwood Mac are on tour - ie she will not be interrupting proceedings by embarking upon a solo tour. Surely this demonstrates some degree of commitment to the band?

[elle]

elle, I find it absurd that you would possibly think 6 months was sufficient for this band to complete an album. Are you kidding?
That said, some artists are capable of recording an album in 3 weeks... :laugh:

see now i know you must not be serious and you are just finding justifications for whatever you want to say at the moment. which is fine, however absurd that may be. :laugh:

plus, aren't we going in circles here?? ;)

some artists are capable of recording an album of all new songs in a week.

i find it also interesting how everybody's conveniently forgetting how long (i.e. short!) it took to record, finish and put out the EP. you remember what the longest part was? band member negotiations whether or not to put some songs out before the tour. that part lasted a few months, from what we know. recording, mixing and mastering took much shorter time.

if SN wanted to be a team player she could have spent the time in studio with the band in march, before she went to work on her solo stuff in april. and you can't argue that maybe she did, because band is talking along the lines of Stevie assuring them she will finally be ready to give a bit of her time to the band after their On With The Show tour. if she already worked with them, they wouldn't be insinuating she hasn't.

[elle]

PS Don't rule out the possibility of this next Mac tour being extended into early 2015 and beyond. That will further delay the proposed album.

yes, can you twist that knife a bit harder??

SN fans are happy, they are getting what they wanted for so long. i'm happy for all of you.

yet you all, instead of feeling generous in your exuberance and understanding why many FM fans, and basically all LB fans are feeling like they are getting the short end of the stick, all SN fans choose to do is twist the knife harder and deeper. :distress:

[jkmaletic]

yes, can you twist that knife a bit harder??

SN fans are happy, they are getting what they wanted for so long. i'm happy for all of you.

yet you all, instead of feeling generous in your exuberance and understanding why many FM fans, and basically all LB fans are feeling like they are getting the short end of the stick, all SN fans choose to do is twist the knife harder and deeper. :distress:

Not ALL of us. I don't have a knife. :p
Yeah, I'm happy, but I get your frustation. This whole thing is weird the way it went down.

[elle]

Not ALL of us. I don't have a knife. :p
Yeah, I'm happy, but I get your frustation. This whole thing is weird the way it went down.

true, i was thinking i should correct that.

yeah, agree.

[elle]

also i don't want to speak for Christine fans; i would suspect they have mixed feelings - happy that unbelievable has happened and Christine is actually back, while frustrated it seems they won't get to hear her new FM music any time soon.

[ragrsrocalot]

see now i know you must not be serious and you are just finding justifications for whatever you want to say at the moment. which is fine, however absurd that may be. :laugh:

plus, aren't we going in circles here?? ;)

some artists are capable of recording an album of all new songs in a week.

i find it also interesting how everybody's conveniently forgetting how long (i.e. short!) it took to record, finish and put out the EP. you remember what the longest part was? band member negotiations whether or not to put some songs out before the tour. that part lasted a few months, from what we know. recording, mixing and mastering took much shorter time.

if SN wanted to be a team player she could have spent the time in studio with the band in march, before she went to work on her solo stuff in april. and you can't argue that maybe she did, because band is talking along the lines of Stevie assuring them she will finally be ready to give a bit of her time to the band after their On With The Show tour. if she already worked with them, they wouldn't be insinuating she hasn't.

But according to Lindsey, the " team " wasn't planning on recording and releasing an album prior to the tour. :shrug:

[KarmaContestant]

Lindsey and Christine quit the band. Oh, and by the way, so did Stevie. They all have. In all instances the band went on and recorded without them. Stevie could quit the band if she doesn't want to record with them...that's the considerate thing to do.... but instead she's keeping them hanging on hoping she'll join them to make an album. Who cares if she keeps the Fleetwood Mac name out there if they don't put new music out (and it's her fault)? I'd rather she be in the studio.

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[KarmaContestant]

The real stumbling block regarding the upcoming Mac album is the imminent band tour. There seems to be no conceivable reason for touring at this stage (so soon after the previous one and without any new product due to be released), other than a cash-grab. Yes I've read the spin about welcoming Christine back into the fold, but that's just nonsense. If the band truly wanted to get the album completed and issued, then the tour would not be occurring at this stage.
I am somewhat disappointed by Stevie's (perceived) lack of enthusiasm for a Mac album, but even if she had been available from March to April (when the recording sessions occurred), there still wouldn't have been a finished album.
It might be argued that Lindsey and Christine have ceased recording for the time being due to Stevie's lack of involvement, but it's equally possible that they don't wish to continue at this stage for other reasons. Christine has spoken about wanting to return to the UK before the tour rehearsals begin in July and perhaps Lindsey wishes to spend time with his family during the interim period (somebody here recently mentioned him usually vacationing at this time of year). There is also John's medical condition/treatment to consider - none of us know exactly what his current situation is.
I have said this before and still believe that Stevie had intended to record a solo album this year, prior to Christine's decision to re-join the band. Undoubtedly, she and Dave Stewart would have planned the Nashville sessions some time ago, with Blackbird Studios and the 'wrecking crew' of musicians having been booked some time in advance.
Dave is constantly working with all manner of artists and just to pin him down for a few consecutive weeks would be a challenge in itself. He has previously mentioned collaborating with Stevie on new compositions over the last couple of years and so they obviously have maintained a working relationship since the In Your Dreams album/tour/documentary ran it's course.
Stevie has spoken about locating the 'vault' demos for her latest album on Youtube and I suspect this was undertaken some time last year. In order for these 17 or 18 songs to be knocked out so quickly in the studio, sufficient time would have been required to become familiar with them and pre-determine arrangements etc. Therefore, I do honestly think Stevie was committed to this solo project before any firm plans were hatched for a Mac album.
As frustrating as this all might be to fans, this band always takes it's sweet time in getting anything done and this next album will be no exception. One could argue that Stevie is disinterested and non-committal; Lindsey is dictatorial and tactless; Christine might be capricious; John has been ill and Mick has been stirring the proverbial pot... who knows? There's no point apportioning blame as this won't alter the situation. We just need to hope that age doesn't wither these individuals and that eventually new music is bestowed upon us.

Yay, some common sense!

[BlueLight]

Here's a comment that Dave just posted on Facebook. I continue to think that there's no doubt here that Stevie is on board.

[elle]

But according to Lindsey, the " team " wasn't planning on recording and releasing an album prior to the tour. :shrug:

yes. notice he stated that plan AFTER they apparently got Stevie's assurance she's on board with the album?

unlike fans, Lindsey is now getting what he wants too - cash-grab FM tour raking in millions, then album that he was trying to get out for the last 5 years so what's 1 more year for him, and another cash-grab tour, raking in another set of millions.

so yes, everything is hunky-dory in Lindsey's world now.

yet we are getting another same-ole greatest hits tour for twice the price of the last one (but yes it will be great to see/hear Christine / the whole band), another year or more of waiting to hear the songs we knew about for the last 2 years, and then having to pay for yet another FM tour in 2015/2016. so the money Lindsey et al are happily grabbing is flowing out of our pockets - if we are willing to give it to them. :distress: :shrug:

[KarmaContestant]

Here's a comment that Dave just posted on Facebook. I continue to think that there's no doubt here that Stevie is on board.

Wow. That guy has some gall, with his rude tweet.

[BlueLight]

Wow. That guy has some gall, with his rude tweet.

I recall someone posting that he also had some pretty pointed replies on Twitter to criticisms of his production work on IYD. :shrug:

[KarmaContestant]

I recall someone posting that he also had some pretty pointed replies on Twitter to criticisms of his production work on IYD. :shrug:

I didn't mean Dave...I was referring to the 'selfishly thinking of herself' guy.

[BlueLight]

I didn't mean Dave...I was referring to the 'selfishly thinking of herself' guy.

Ah! Sorry. Yes, agreed. If anything, this solo album demonstrates nothing but generosity towards her fans...

[BlueDenimLamp]

Here's a comment that Dave just posted on Facebook. I continue to think that there's no doubt here that Stevie is on board.
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I don't think Dave will stand for people running Stevie or their work into the ground...

[elle]

I didn't mean Dave...I was referring to the 'selfishly thinking of herself' guy.

:laugh: funny his post is the only one DS replied to... although there are other mean posts, but are not related to her FM involvement ;)

[aleuzzi]

The real stumbling block regarding the upcoming Mac album is the imminent band tour. There seems to be no conceivable reason for touring at this stage (so soon after the previous one and without any new product due to be released), other than a cash-grab. Yes I've read the spin about welcoming Christine back into the fold, but that's just nonsense. If the band truly wanted to get the album completed and issued, then the tour would not be occurring at this stage.
I am somewhat disappointed by Stevie's (perceived) lack of enthusiasm for a Mac album, but even if she had been available from March to April (when the recording sessions occurred), there still wouldn't have been a finished album.
It might be argued that Lindsey and Christine have ceased recording for the time being due to Stevie's lack of involvement, but it's equally possible that they don't wish to continue at this stage for other reasons. Christine has spoken about wanting to return to the UK before the tour rehearsals begin in July and perhaps Lindsey wishes to spend time with his family during the interim period (somebody here recently mentioned him usually vacationing at this time of year). There is also John's medical condition/treatment to consider - none of us know exactly what his current situation is.
I have said this before and still believe that Stevie had intended to record a solo album this year, prior to Christine's decision to re-join the band. Undoubtedly, she and Dave Stewart would have planned the Nashville sessions some time ago, with Blackbird Studios and the 'wrecking crew' of musicians having been booked some time in advance.
Dave is constantly working with all manner of artists and just to pin him down for a few consecutive weeks would be a challenge in itself. He has previously mentioned collaborating with Stevie on new compositions over the last couple of years and so they obviously have maintained a working relationship since the In Your Dreams album/tour/documentary ran it's course.
Stevie has spoken about locating the 'vault' demos for her latest album on Youtube and I suspect this was undertaken some time last year. In order for these 17 or 18 songs to be knocked out so quickly in the studio, sufficient time would have been required to become familiar with them and pre-determine arrangements etc. Therefore, I do honestly think Stevie was committed to this solo project before any firm plans were hatched for a Mac album.
As frustrating as this all might be to fans, this band always takes it's sweet time in getting anything done and this next album will be no exception. One could argue that Stevie is disinterested and non-committal; Lindsey is dictatorial and tactless; Christine might be capricious; John has been ill and Mick has been stirring the proverbial pot... who knows? There's no point apportioning blame as this won't alter the situation. We just need to hope that age doesn't wither these individuals and that eventually new music is bestowed upon us.

You're right. Thanks for the perspective. But it's that last sentence I am most concerned about.

[BlueLight]

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I don't think Dave will stand for people running Stevie or their work into the ground...

So glad that we Dave, given that Stevie doesn't engage with social media.

[Jondalar]

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I don't think Dave will stand for people running Stevie or their work into the ground...

Very tacky thing to do :(

[ragrsrocalot]

yes. notice he stated that plan AFTER they apparently got Stevie's assurance she's on board with the album?

unlike fans, Lindsey is now getting what he wants too - cash-grab FM tour raking in millions, then album that he was trying to get out for the last 5 years so what's 1 more year for him, and another cash-grab tour, raking in another set of millions.

so yes, everything is hunky-dory in Lindsey's world now.

yet we are getting another same-ole greatest hits tour for twice the price of the last one (but yes it will be great to see/hear Christine / the whole band), another year or more of waiting to hear the songs we knew about for the last 2 years, and then having to pay for yet another FM tour in 2015/2016. so the money Lindsey et al are happily grabbing is flowing out of our pockets - if we are willing to give it to them. :distress: :shrug:

I get where your coming from.
I just don't know when it was first agreed upon (the assurance). Was this something that was decided upon several months ago, but not revealed until recently? I don't know? Was this just recently decided and then the statement was released the next day? I don't know. To me, knowing the answer to those questions makes a difference. I may have missed something, perhaps an article or interview . Has any member of the band been asked if they were going to record and release an album before this up coming tour, to which someone stated, that they didn't know if Stevie would be involved? That's the part that is confusing me. Because, if that is the case, I am unaware of that information. I know she has voiced her reluctance in the past, I just didn't know there was reluctance stated since Christine has returned.

[MikeVielhaber]

I get where your coming from.
I just don't know when it was first agreed upon (the assurance). Was this something that was decided upon several months ago, but not revealed until recently? I don't know? Was this just recently decided and then the statement was released the next day? I don't know. To me, knowing the answer to those questions makes a difference. I may have missed something, perhaps an article or interview . Has any member of the band been asked if they were going to record and release an album before this up coming tour, to which someone stated, that they didn't know if Stevie would be involved? That's the part that is confusing me. Because, if that is the case, I am unaware of that information. I know she has voiced her reluctance in the past, I just didn't know there was reluctance stated since Christine has returned.

I don't think they ever expressed a plan or goal to complete the album before the tour, but they definitely mentioned that they didn't know what Stevie's plans were or when she would join them. When Lindsey mentioned that sort of agreement it was a clear change in how they had previously talked about it. So I think we can reasonably conclude it was a new development at that time and not something that had already been arranged months earlier.

Her reluctance is implied by her lack of eagerness. It's clear they would've liked her there working with them. She chose to be elsewhere.....and this is just me, but it feels like she's throwing them a bone by saying she'll do it after the tour.

[Jondalar]

I don't think they ever expressed a plan or goal to complete the album before the tour, but they definitely mentioned that they didn't know what Stevie's plans were or when she would join them. When Lindsey mentioned that sort of agreement it was a clear change in how they had previously talked about it. So I think we can reasonably conclude it was a new development at that time and not something that had already been arranged months earlier.

And your point is....

[Jondalar]

Lindsey and Christine quit the band. Oh, and by the way, so did Stevie. They all have. In all instances the band went on and recorded without them. Stevie could quit the band if she doesn't want to record with them...that's the considerate thing to do.... but instead she's keeping them hanging on hoping she'll join them to make an album. Who cares if she keeps the Fleetwood Mac name out there if they don't put new music out (and it's her fault)? I'd rather she be in the studio.

She didn't quit the band for a decade and she only did it because of Silver Springs. She has been more loyal to the band than they have.

[MikeVielhaber]

She didn't quit the band for a decade and she only did it because of Silver Springs. She has been more loyal to the band than they have.

She didn't quit the band for a decade because they reunited before then. If Lindsey had quit in 1990 then he wouldn't have quit for a decade either. The band came calling in 1997 when everything, as they say, organically came together. Stevie didn't just decide, ok it's time. So the fact that she was out for less time is circumstantial based on her quitting at a later date.

The reasons for anyone quitting is irrelevant to this point because the end result is the same. They all have their reasons and none more valid than the other, and if one is it would be Christine's desire to retire.

[MikeVielhaber]

And your point is....

My point directly relates to an inquiry in the post I was responding to, naturally. Read that post and mine will make sense in context.

[MikeVielhaber]

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I can't say that song didn't cross my mind as I typed that. Though I did not know she had covered it herself.

[ragrsrocalot]

I don't think they ever expressed a plan or goal to complete the album before the tour, but they definitely mentioned that they didn't know what Stevie's plans were or when she would join them.When Lindsey mentioned that sort of agreement it was a clear change in how they had previously talked about it. So I think we can reasonably conclude [/B]it was a new development at that time and not something that had already been arranged months earlier.

Her reluctance is implied by her lack of eagerness.It's clear they would've liked her there working with them. She chose to be elsewhere.....and this is just me, but it feels like she's throwing them a bone by saying she'll do it after the tour.

[COLOR="Teal"]Okay, That's my understanding as well. But, not knowing what Stevie's plans were, or when she could join them, to me, doesn't express disinterest, nor her not wanting to be a team player. Surely anyone can make a reasonable conclusion, and based on the fact that we as individuals interpret things differently, those conclusions may vary.That's why I asked the questions in my previous post. Just trying to find out if I was missing something. .When you say her reluctance is implied by lack of eagerness, that suggests to me, to be an opinion, unless you are privy to information that hasn't been made public. I agree with you that they would've liked her there with them, but her "choosing" to be elsewhere is speculative due to the fact that we don't know her schedule, contractual obligations for solo projects, etc. I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I appreciate your reply, and your opinions. When all is said and done, it's going to be very interesting to hear from FM themselves, through interviews, what and how things really went down. Until then, its all just speculation and opinions.

[Phil]

Well said ragrsrocalot, I agree with everything you have stated. A very balanced and reasonable account of events as we know them.

[elle]

That's why I asked the questions in my previous post. Just trying to find out if I was missing something.

i think the only timeline for FM album we know was given in 2 interviews - Billboard interview, and then the very next day we got that audio from lindsey.

Billboard:

Christine said the plan is for the new album to come out in 2015
Lindsey said - yeah, unless there's tons of clamor, then we might revisit that by the time rehearsals start and the album may come out sooner.


day later:

the audio showed up in which Lindsey seemingly completely reversed what he said to Billboard, and stated that they never ever had any plans for the album to come out before the tour.


questions that remain:

would a date like october 2014 be before or during the tour? how about march 2015? is that during the current tour?
what do they consider to be a current tour? just dates released so far, or they also have 2015 dates that are still considered *this* tour?


i think it's clear that according to the newest info we have from lindsey, there will be a 2014 tour, then they are supposed to get stevie in the studio (when? jan/feb 2015?), finish the album, and get it out when? summer 2015? while on the 2nd leg of the current tour? after the 2nd leg of the current tour but before another tour in 2015/2016?

lots of unclear stuff.

the only thing that is clear is that in the course of the 2 days lindsey said 2 completely different things. so something happened in between the billboard and that radio interview? clamoring / billboard interview worked to get SN on board and promise some firm dates? anybody's guess. :shrug: and i have no doubt people will keep guessing. :laugh:

[ragrsrocalot]

i think the only timeline for FM album we know was given in 2 interviews - Billboard interview, and then the very next day we got that audio from lindsey.

Billboard:

Christine said the plan is for the new album to come out in 2015
Lindsey said - yeah, unless there's tons of clamor, then we might revisit that by the time rehearsals start and the album may come out sooner.


day later:

the audio showed up in which Lindsey seemingly completely reversed what he said to Billboard, and stated that they never ever had any plans for the album to come out before the tour.


questions that remain:

would a date like october 2014 be before or during the tour? how about march 2015? is that during the current tour?
what do they consider to be a current tour? just dates released so far, or they also have 2015 dates that are still considered *this* tour?


i think it's clear that according to the newest info we have from lindsey, there will be a 2014 tour, then they are supposed to get stevie in the studio (when? jan/feb 2015?), finish the album, and get it out when? summer 2015? while on the 2nd leg of the current tour? after the 2nd leg of the current tour but before another tour in 2015/2016?

lots of unclear stuff.

the only thing that is clear is that in the course of the 2 days lindsey said 2 completely different things. so something happened in between the billboard and that radio interview? clamoring / billboard interview worked to get SN on board and promise some firm dates? anybody's guess. :shrug: and i have no doubt people will keep guessing. :laugh:



Thanks for the breakdown,:thumbsup: I appreciate it.
Total agreement:nod:

[bombaysaffires]

If Lindsey had quit in 1990 then he wouldn't have quit for a decade either.


huh?

If he had quit in 1989 it wouldn't have been a decade. If he quit in 1991 it wouldn't have been a decade. :shrug:

[secondhandchain]

Let's face it, they are all getting older and would love to get that album out sooner then later....only one thing is stopping them. :nod:

[BlueLight]

A few more notes of clarification:

Rolling Stone reported back in March (well before the Billboard article), that "[t]he group spent time in mid-March working on new songs, though they don't plan on releasing anything until after the world tour."

So I don't think the band ever had any plans to release something before the tour.

And at around the same time, USA Today reported:

"The timetable for new singles and an album depends in part on when Stevie Nicks rejoins her bandmates in the studio, Buckingham says.

"Stevie's been not sure how she wants to approach recording or when," he says. "Mick, John and I have cut great stuff with (producer) Mitchell Froom and now I'm producing Christine's stuff."

* * *

As far as I'm aware, no one has ever stated that Stevie was reluctant or holding out; only that she was trying to figure out how to approach recording and when. Which seems entirely consistent with her plan to knock out her solo album first.

[Hawkeye]

yes, can you twist that knife a bit harder??

SN fans are happy, they are getting what they wanted for so long. i'm happy for all of you.

yet you all, instead of feeling generous in your exuberance and understanding why many FM fans, and basically all LB fans are feeling like they are getting the short end of the stick, all SN fans choose to do is twist the knife harder and deeper. :distress:

Being the huge Lindsey fan you are, you should understand that no one falls into a simple set of labels:laugh: Yet your so anniment that everyone on this board has to be a fan of just one band member.

[elle]

Being the huge Lindsey fan you are, you should understand that no one falls into a simple set of labels:laugh: Yet your so anniment that everyone on this board has to be a fan of just one band member.

i have no clue what "anniment" means.

but no, although many have clear preferences, i don't see that everyone on this board is a fan of just one band member, or just the band as a whole. :shrug:

sometimes simplifying things works well to make a point, and there's no deeper meaning ;). depending on people's biases and moods, they can take the point of the post, or they can dissect it and make it to mean something that it was never supposed to.

either way, don't think that taking any life or philosophy lessons from LB is a good idea. :laugh:

peace! :cool:

[Christopher]

Not ALL of us. I don't have a knife. :p
Yeah, I'm happy, but I get your frustation. This whole thing is weird the way it went down.
Well, you gotta know, mostly, it's all gone down "weird" because, Christine threw the band a surprise hook by annoucing she wanted back in the band! I really think that news was completely unexpected by Stevie (and the Band!!)

I know we all wanted the FM album sooner than later. But at least it's looking like Stevie wants to release her solo record sooner (Oct.), which means FM would probably release in 2015, which seemed most likely anyway, because the band never made any assurances that it would be sooner. :shrug:

[Hawkeye]

i

either way, don't think that taking any life or philosophy lessons from LB is a good idea. :laugh:

peace! :cool:

I get all my philosophy from fleetwood back. I save all their quotes and arrange them by band member, to sort of create a Mac bible. The book of John is the shortest book in the bible, barely filling a whole page, but like the actual bible, I'd say the book of John is the most important. The books of Stevie and Lindsey take up 80 percent of the bible considering they never shut up. You can especially get lost in the book of Stevie. And the book of Lindsey can just flat out put you to sleep at times. I recommend skipping the cycles chapter, just keeps repeating!








disclaimer: I didn't actually do this in case anyone thinks I did

[MikeVielhaber]

huh?

If he had quit in 1989 it wouldn't have been a decade. If he quit in 1991 it wouldn't have been a decade. :shrug:

Yes, exactly my point. I could've picked any of those years as well. Stevie was out for less than a decade simply because she quit the band later than Lindsey. They all joined back at the same time because that's when the reunion happened and the length of Stevie's absence is circumstantial not a conscious decision. This is why comparing it to Lindsey is irrelevant to this conversation. What is relevant is that they both quit and the band moved on without them.

[BlueDenimLamp]

i have no clue what "anniment" means.

but no, although many have clear preferences, i don't see that everyone on this board is a fan of just one band member, or just the band as a whole. :shrug:

sometimes simplifying things works well to make a point, and there's no deeper meaning ;). depending on people's biases and moods, they can take the point of the post, or they can dissect it and make it to mean something that it was never supposed to.

either way, don't think that taking any life or philosophy lessons from LB is a good idea. :laugh:

peace! :cool:

I'm guessing the word was intended to be "adamant"

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They may be in the minority but there must be people that aren't fans of FM but they like the solo work of a specific band member...

[MikeVielhaber]

[COLOR="Teal"]Okay, That's my understanding as well. But, not knowing what Stevie's plans were, or when she could join them, to me, doesn't express disinterest, nor her not wanting to be a team player. Surely anyone can make a reasonable conclusion, and based on the fact that we as individuals interpret things differently, those conclusions may vary.That's why I asked the questions in my previous post. Just trying to find out if I was missing something. .When you say her reluctance is implied by lack of eagerness, that suggests to me, to be an opinion, unless you are privy to information that hasn't been made public. I agree with you that they would've liked her there with them, but her "choosing" to be elsewhere is speculative due to the fact that we don't know her schedule, contractual obligations for solo projects, etc. I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I appreciate your reply, and your opinions. When all is said and done, it's going to be very interesting to hear from FM themselves, through interviews, what and how things really went down. Until then, its all just speculation and opinions.

Oh yeah, I definitely admit there is a bit of speculation on my part (that's kind of a big part of what we do here though, isn't?), but it's at least based on something. My opinion is that she is not under contractual obligation to release this album at this specific time. That opinion is based on feeling that it doesn't make much sense to me considering she's been in this contract for decades and has already taken a decade off. So I don't think she has to worry about the timing of her releases, contractually. It's possible she did it now because she really wanted to do it and she could see the FM train coming out of the station and felt pressure to get it done.

But I'm not basing my comment for the most part on her solo album. I'm basing it on the comments of the band members and her own lack of acknowledgement of the making of this album even in her FM interview when at the same time Christine and Lindsey both mentioned it and a desire to do it. And of course they've mentioned it several times since, but Stevie hasn't done many more interviews although she did have one just couple days ago. It's quite a contrast when you compare the 3 of them and their attitude. at least publicly, toward the project. And again, it's not that Stevie has expressed anything negative about it, but the others have shown genuine excitement and Stevie has yet to even acknowledge that's it's happening.

[pauls90]

I'm not sure the timetable of when they knew Christine wanted back in -

but I remembered this post awhile back that came out in October discussing Stevie's desire to do another solo record soon.

http://www.fleetwoodmacnews.com/2013/10/interview-with-stevie-nicks-nicks-is.html

So we know that Stevie has been planning this for a little while now.

Also I swear I remember reading something more recently that Stevie hinted at a couple different upcoming FM tours. Couldn't find it though.

[BlueDenimLamp]

I'm not sure the timetable of when they knew Christine wanted back in -

but I remembered this post awhile back that came out in October discussing Stevie's desire to do another solo record soon.

http://www.fleetwoodmacnews.com/2013/10/interview-with-stevie-nicks-nicks-is.html

So we know that Stevie has been planning this for a little while now.

Also I swear I remember reading something more recently that Stevie hinted at a couple different upcoming FM tours. Couldn't find it though.

There's a video clip of Stevie mentioning the FM fall tour then she says something about at least 2 (two) different tours in 2015...

[pauls90]

There's a video clip of Stevie mentioning the FM fall tour then she says something about at least 2 (two) different tours in 2015...

I was just looking for that and managed to find it!

Stevie did an interview at the Grammy's and said these little tidbits:

We'll be back on the road at the end of next summer, and I'm gonna do different stuff for the next four months

I'm looking forward to two different tours next year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG-ymkK2ko0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG-ymkK2ko0)

So it definitely seems whatever is happening right now has already been in the works for a while and not Stevie just now deciding out of the blue she wants to do her own thing in the midst of the FM stuff.

[jbrownsjr]

disclaimer: I didn't actually do this in case anyone thinks I did

I bet Michele has a dewy decimal system for her quotes. And basically, I'm jealous if she does.

[dontlookdown]

I actually love how a lot of people are creating manufactured drama. It's very entertaining -- sort of like having to look at the covers of tabloids in the grocery store check out line.

If Stevie had nothing going on with all of the awards and her own solo project, I can assure you she wouldn't be hanging around the studio all day while Christine and Lindsey work out their songs. She has never done that before and there's no reason to expect her to do it now.
One of the joys of not being a musician in Fleetwood Mac is the freedom it gives her to not be stuck in a studio for 10 hours a day.

I don't have an actual direct source, but I know people who are in the Village a few times a month for live radio broadcasts; and from their perspective, they hear nothing but a celebratory mood coming from the Fleetwood Mac rooms.
I truly think all is well in the Fleetwood Mac camp.
If anything, there is a "time running out" feeling and I think Stevie has been trying to stay as active as possible for the past 3 years or so.
I would worry less about internal drama and more about their continued health and stamina for the upcoming tour.

I honestly don't care what's going on with them personally, because I know that no matter what happens, they have committed to an album and a tour - and That's Enough For Me.

[MikeVielhaber]

If Stevie had nothing going on with all of the awards and her own solo project, I can assure you she wouldn't be hanging around the studio all day while Christine and Lindsey work out their songs. She has never done that before and there's no reason to expect her to do it now.
One of the joys of not being a musician in Fleetwood Mac is the freedom it gives her to not be stuck in a studio for 10 hours a day.

Christine and Lindsey had no choice but to work on their own songs. They've never said they had no use for Stevie and that they wouldn't have worked on Stevie's songs given the option. They certainly made it clear they would've liked her to be there. What probably happens is Christine and Lindsey don't write as many songs together as they did because they spend some time on Stevie. Stevie's absence might be what makes this a double album if they end up going that route because they have so much material and maybe that's a worthy trade off for expeditiousness (that's a word, right?). And it's not that Stevie needs to be there all the time, but there's certainly no mandate that said they had to spend two months exclusively on Christine and Lindsey songs or that she couldn't help them with the vocals on their songs. I think it's illogical to think that's the case.


I don't have an actual direct source, but I know people who are in the Village a few times a month for live radio broadcasts; and from their perspective, they hear nothing but a celebratory mood coming from the Fleetwood Mac rooms.
I truly think all is well in the Fleetwood Mac camp.




That's all great and yes from all accounts even in their interviews they are having a great time making new music.....without Stevie. I don't think anyone was saying otherwise unless I missed it. I don't think even if they were frustrated by Stevie's absence that it has to bring a pall over the proceedings.

[KarmaContestant]

If anything, there is a "time running out" feeling and I think Stevie has been trying to stay as active as possible for the past 3 years or so.


Agreed - and that's also why I think she's decided to release an album of old songs that haven't been released before. Time is running out.

As I said in another thread - She won't live forever, and if she's wanted to get these songs out to the world - it's time to do it *now*. Time flies, and someday Stevie won't be around to finish her own songs. Perhaps the thought of some stranger taking artistic liberties with her demos for the benefit of label execs looking for a posthumous Christmas bonus has lit some fire under her. Her dad died. Her mom died. Chris has had health issues. She has no children of her own - no one to protect her legacy other than her niece. She's got to do it now if she wants it done her way.

[vivfox]

I don't have an actual direct source, but I know people who are in the Village a few times a month for live radio broadcasts; and from their perspective, they hear nothing but a celebratory mood coming from the Fleetwood Mac rooms.

Aren't those rooms sound proof?

[jbrownsjr]

Aren't those rooms sound proof?

I think they meant metaphorically. lol

[BlueDenimLamp]

Agreed - and that's also why I think she's decided to release an album of old songs that haven't been released before. Time is running out.

As I said in another thread - She won't live forever, and if she's wanted to get these songs out to the world - it's time to do it *now*. Time flies, and someday Stevie won't be around to finish her own songs. Perhaps the thought of some stranger taking artistic liberties with her demos for the benefit of label execs looking for a posthumous Christmas bonus has lit some fire under her. Her dad died. Her mom died. Chris has had health issues. She has no children of her own - no one to protect her legacy other than her niece. She's got to do it now if she wants it done her way.

I was just wondering that myself...Look at what is happening with all the unfinished/unreleased Michael Jackson songs... I wonder how Stevie would feel about someone finishing her old songs just to make a quick buck or worse turning them into some kind of collaboration with whatever pop star is the flavor of the month at the time...Can you imagine a new "Stevie" record featuring the Miley's, Taylor's, & Justin's of 15 years from now on her songs without her input...

[aleuzzi]

Agreed - and that's also why I think she's decided to release an album of old songs that haven't been released before. Time is running out.

As I said in another thread - She won't live forever, and if she's wanted to get these songs out to the world - it's time to do it *now*. Time flies, and someday Stevie won't be around to finish her own songs. Perhaps the thought of some stranger taking artistic liberties with her demos for the benefit of label execs looking for a posthumous Christmas bonus has lit some fire under her. Her dad died. Her mom died. Chris has had health issues. She has no children of her own - no one to protect her legacy other than her niece. She's got to do it now if she wants it done her way.

But it's this very reason that I wish she would return to the band and work with them. They're all older and time is running out for all of them. I would have loved to have seen her say, "you know what? I'm going to give this precious time to the band that allowed me to build my career as a famous musician." But, hey, I get why her fans are psyched for a new 100% Stevie record.

[lulu28]

I was just wondering that myself...Look at what is happening with all the unfinished/unreleased Michael Jackson songs... I wonder how Stevie would feel about someone finishing her old songs just to make a quick buck or worse turning them into some kind of collaboration with whatever pop star is the flavor of the month at the time...Can you imagine a new "Stevie" record featuring the Miley's, Taylor's, & Justin's of 15 years from now on her songs without her input...

Just the thought of this happening makes me completely ill! :(

[secondhandchain]

Found this on Dave Stewarts FB page.

Douglas Stone Be nice if she could work together with FM and not just think of herself.
Like · Reply · 1 · May 15 at 12:43pm

Dave Stewart she does Douglas Stone and will
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[BlueDenimLamp]

Found this on Dave Stewarts FB page.

Douglas Stone Be nice if she could work together with FM and not just think of herself.
Like · Reply · 1 · May 15 at 12:43pm

Dave Stewart she does Douglas Stone and will
Like · 10 · May 15 at 7:05pm

Yes this was posted earlier...
Dave seems a little protective of Stevie and their work...

Here's a comment that Dave just posted on Facebook. I continue to think that there's no doubt here that Stevie is on board.

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I don't think Dave will stand for people running Stevie or their work into the ground...

[secondhandchain]

I think they will finish up US leg of tour. Go back into the studio with Stevie in January and finish up the album...then tour Europe.

[SpyNote]

Actually, we've waited decades for a new album by these five people. I, for one, am pretty irritated that the prospect of one is put on hold. I'm sure in the end it'll all work out but my irritation is real. And there's a real reason to be irritated. Hard core Mac fans have waited and waited and waited and instead of rewarding us with a record this year, we have to wait until 2015--at best? Nothing my foot.

Sure, it'll happen in time. I just think they're all too old to be playing the same games they played when they were 40. Do a friggin' record already. Make it THE priority. None of you would have achieved any fan base if it didn't start with the. Mac.

Find a new hobby. :laugh: That's what people say to me when I get selectively outraged by a delayed Fleetwood Mac release.

The releases will be fewer and more drawn-out over time. That's just the way it works at this stage of their career. All things considered, we are getting at least two new Fleetwood Mac releases (including Stevie's) and a world tour in a one year time frame. There's really nothing to be irritated about if you consider all this starts in just four months.

[michelej1]

I get selectively outraged

Ha, this reminds me of the big fight on Twitter over the shootings yesterday. Michele

[aleuzzi]

Find a new hobby. :laugh: That's what people say to me when I get selectively outraged by a delayed Fleetwood Mac release.

The releases will be fewer and more drawn-out over time. That's just the way it works at this stage of their career. All things considered, we are getting at least two new Fleetwood Mac releases (including Stevie's) and a world tour in a one year time frame. There's really nothing to be irritated about if you consider all this starts in just four months.

I didn't say outrage. I said irritated. And I don't know what selectively outraged means.

I am irritated because for me it is precisely the NEW music I am looking forward to. THAT is where I wish their efforts were being directed. In four months we get a rehash of greatest hits. Maybe a record by the end of summer 2015, and maybe all will go as planned with all five members healthy and able to put it out.