Forbes: Will CM Return Drive Up Prices

[michelej1]

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Will Christine McVie's Return Impact Prices For Fleetwood

For the first time in fifteen years, Fleetwood Mac will be touring with keyboardist Christine McVie. McVie joined the band in 1970 after guitarist Peter Green had quit. At the time, McVie was married to Fleetwood Mac bassist John McVie. Since her departure from the band in 1990, Fleetwood Mac has toured mainly as a foursome. Along with the announcement of McVie returning, the band announced a 34-show, 33-city tour starting September 30 and running through December 20.

Fleetwood Mac tickets for the ‘On With The Show’ Tour don’t go on sale to the general public until April 7, but tickets have already popped up on the secondary market at a high price. A limited amount of tickets for each date have gone on the secondary market with a current tour average of $431.12. The price is well above the band’s 2013 tour, which averaged $281 on the secondary market across the tour.

The only two-date stop the band will make is on September 28 and 29 at The Forum in Inglewood, California. Fleetwood Mac Forum tickets have an average price of $474.97 and are currently the eighth and ninth most expensive shows on the tour. The most expensive show from the early secondary market returns comes October 6 at Madison Square Garden. Fleetwood Mac New York tickets currently have an average secondary market price of $515.83. That’s less than half the price of what the band’s show at MSG was during their tour last year. By the time of the concert on April 8, the average price had shot up to $1,281 on the secondary market. It’s unlikely prices reach that level again, but prices on the secondary market will rise initially when tickets are released to the general public. Only one other show on the tour last year peaked at over a $500 average, the May 25 show at the Hollywood Bowl, and the early demand suggests this tour will easily pass the $500 average on more than two shows. Four 2014 shows already have a higher average than the second most expensive show in 2013.

[jbrownsjr]

In a word, yes.

[michelej1]

12/19/14 Jesse Lawrence contributor, Forbes

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jesselawrence/2014/12/19/fleetwood-mac-tops-justin-timberlake-for-most-expensive-tickets-of-2014-on-secondary-market/

Fleetwood Mac Tops Justin Timberlake For Most Expensive Tickets Of 2014 On Secondary Market

It’s fair to say that pop music dominated the secondary ticket market this year, but some of music’s most celebrated acts have also garnered huge tour averages in 2014. Beloved rockers Fleetwood Mac owned the highest touring average this year with their On With The Show Tour, beating out the likes of Justin Timberlake, One Direction, Katy Perry and Bruno Mars’ respective tour numbers. The Eagles, Paul McCartney and Billy Joel also appear on the top 10 highest-priced tours of the year, giving Neil Young’s statement that “rock and roll will never die” some added insurance as the year winds down.

Over 40 North American shows in 2014, the average price for Fleetwood Mac tickets on TiqIQ was $358.91, serving as the only act this year to break the $300 ticket average on the secondary market. The On With The Show Tour began just three months ago in September and the band’s relatively short run at the end of the year likely added to secondary ticket demand. With plans to tour through the U.S. and Canada through April of next year, Fleetwood Mac will surely see ticket price remain high over their 40 remaining North American shows over the next four months.

Pop music juggernaut Justin Timberlake followed significantly behind Fleetwood Mac with the second top-priced tour of the year as his two-year 20/20 Experience World Tour concludes at the MGM Grand Garden Arena on January 2. With 100 national and international shows under his belt in 2014, Justin Timberlake saw an average price of $293.64 for tickets on the secondary market. Alongside owning the second highest-priced tour this year, Timberlake also embarked on the second highest-grossing tour in 2014, according to Billboard. With a total gross of $203.8 million, the “Suit and Tie” singer trailed just One Direction’s top tour gross of $290.1 million.

It’s interesting to note the impact of One Direction’s Where We Are Tour and its stadium-only tour route. Because stadium venues hold a significantly higher capacity than traditional arenas, there is a greater supply of tickets as more seats are available, making the secondary market average ticket price decline while total gross increases. The quintet grossed the largest total sum this year via the Where We Are Tour, though averaged just a $140.80 ticket on the secondary market, missing the cut for the top 10 tour averages at #12 in 2014.

Following Timberlake’s massive success with the 20/20 Experience World Tour, the Eagles, Paul McCartney and Billy Joel all follow with the third, fourth and fifth highest tour averages on the secondary market in 2014. Eagles tickets averaged at $272.29 for the History of the Eagles – Live in Concert Tour this year while Paul McCartney’s Out There World Tour saw a secondary average of $242.25. Playing 36 shows and 12 monthly shows at New York City’s Madison Square Garden this year, Billy Joel tickets on TiqIQ averaged $232.21.

Jay-Z and Beyonce’s joint On The Run Tour was one of the most anticipated concerts of the year and kicked off its 21-show affair in June. The tour saw a secondary average of $221.14, serving as the sixth highest tour average in 2014. Katy Perry’s Prismatic Tour followed with a $221.81 tour average on the secondary market. Perry wrapped her North American shows in October, though it is possible that the “Dark Horse” singer will add more U.S. and Canadian dates for the coming year soon.

Tom Petty and Bruno Mars follow behind Perry, with Petty’s tour average listed at $216.34 and Mars’ Moonshine Jungle Tour averaging at $209.61 on the secondary market. Mars’ high tour average was greatly helped by his Super Bowl halftime performance this year and the pop singer saw a notable spike in ticket price following his 15-minute concert at MetLife Stadium in February. Rounding off the top 10 list is Dave Matthews Band, whose persistent touring over the years hasn’t let up on the secondary market. The average price for Dave Matthews Band tickets in 2014 was $194.98.

With the year coming to a close in the next two weeks, 2014 will quickly give way to an exciting 2015, where Taylor Swift’s 1989 Tour and One Direction’s On The Road Again Tour will undoubtedly battle for the prestigious honor of top-priced tour. Don’t count the oldies out, however, as Fleetwood Mac and Billy Joel also set to continue touring in the New Year.

Below is a list of the ten most expensive music tours by average price on the secondary market.

Fleetwood Mac – $358.91
Justin Timberlake – $293.64
Eagles – $272.29
Paul McCartney – $242.25
Billy Joel – $232.21
Jay-Z/Beyonce – $221.14
Katy Perry – $221.81
Tom Petty – $216.34
Bruno Mars – $209.61
Dave Matthews Band – $194.98

[jbrownsjr]

71 Years old and she did this: Christine your talent is a gift to us. :thumbsup:

Fleetwood Mac – $358.91
Justin Timberlake – $293.64
Eagles – $272.29
Paul McCartney – $242.25
Billy Joel – $232.21
Jay-Z/Beyonce – $221.14
Katy Perry – $221.81
Tom Petty – $216.34
Bruno Mars – $209.61
Dave Matthews Band – $194.98

[FuzzyPlum]

71 Years old and she did this: Christine your talent is a gift to us.

Her talents are a gift. The prices are an unwanted gift though!
Is this really impressive or are we all just really stupid?

[KarmaContestant]

Her talents are a gift. The prices are an unwanted gift though!
Is this really impressive or are we all just really stupid?

MmHm. :nod:

[BlueDenimLamp]

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Another ageing legendary Rock star has passed. FM should take notice.

The blatantly greedy "Cash cow oldies touring" needs to have a definite end...

The "5" should be concentrating on whatever it is that they want to accomplish either as individuals or collectively as a group to button up their musical careers while they still have time...

While they rightfully are enjoying the spoils CM's return "On With The Show" should have been billed as somewhat of a last tour for a while and after this tour is over the "5" should be spending the next few years getting their musical houses in order...

Quit wasting the time you have left with "cash grab" tours.
If the band can't work things out then they should go their own ways and be as productive as they can separately because without warning any one of the "5" could be the next one to go and when that happens what good will all that $$$ do them when only "4" are left.

All the money in the world won't erase the regret they have because they didn't do this or that while they had the chance.

[Macfan4life]

Ouch some of you guys are harsh. This is not a cash grab tour. Supply and demand dictates ticket prices. I have been waiting 16 years for this to happen and hear Christine's voice bounce of an arena. They have only been on tour a few months and not sure why some celebration moment turned so negative.
But the Mac has good genes. Chris's dad lived well into his 80s. Mick's mom is still alive and so is Stevie's.
Just enjoy this moment because even if they do tour again, there will never be an extensive tour like this again. A few years ago we would have dreamed this would be happening. In just 5 months they will be off the road and we will be wanting more with an album and maybe tour again.
Not sure why want to ruin this moment by calling it a last tour, cash grab or call this wasting time. If this is the Mac wasting time then I hope they waste a lot more of it.
Bring on Miami March 2015!!!!!

[BlueDenimLamp]

Ouch some of you guys are harsh. This is not a cash grab tour. Supply and demand dictates ticket prices. I have been waiting 16 years for this to happen and hear Christine's voice bounce of an arena. They have only been on tour a few months and not sure why some celebration moment turned so negative.
But the Mac has good genes. Chris's dad lived well into his 80s. Mick's mom is still alive and so is Stevie's .
Just enjoy this moment because even if they do tour again, there will never be an extensive tour like this again. A few years ago we would have dreamed this would be happening. In just 5 months they will be off the road and we will be wanting more with an album and maybe tour again.
Not sure why want to ruin this moment by calling it a last tour, cash grab or call this wasting time. If this is the Mac wasting time then I hope they waste a lot more of it.
Bring on Miami March 2015!!!!!

I said after the tour they should focus on getting things in order...And this is a "cash grab" more or less the same show for the past 3 decades...If FM had not been in such a hurry to cash in on CM they could have postponed the start of the tour by 6 months and had finished the record (or at least enough for another EP ). Just think you have could of had a new record by the time you see the band and had a few new songs in the set.

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Stevie's mother is still alive? Perhaps you should watch this.

[elle]

I said after the tour they should focus on getting things in order...And this is a "cash grab" more or less the same show for the past 3 decades...If FM had not been in such a hurry to cash in on CM they could have postponed the start of the tour by 6 months and had finished the record (or at least enough for another EP ). Just think you have could of had a new record by the time you see the band and had a few new songs in the set.

:lol::lol: as usual you are funny, saying same [highly negative] stuff over and over again hoping it will stick. so much hand waving just to make us forget that:

a) it's Christine who is responsible for FM being one of the biggest most expensive sold out tours of the year

and

b) they could have waited 2 months or 6 months or 5 more years and that would still not matter if they are waiting for SN who does not seem to be interested in being creative anymore.

[BlueDenimLamp]

:lol::lol: as usual you are funny, saying same [highly negative] stuff over and over again hoping it will stick. so much hand waving just to make us forget that:

a) it's Christine who is responsible for FM being one of the biggest most expensive sold out tours of the year

and

b) they could have waited 2 months or 6 months or 5 more years and that would still not matter if they are waiting for SN who does not seem to be interested in being creative anymore.

Did you read the post?

I don't remember giving anyone credit for FM's profits. It also says "If the band can't work things out then they should go their own ways and be as productive as they can separately" as someone who readily admits they despise Stevie I would think you might agree with that statement

[elle]

Did you read the post?

I don't remember giving anyone credit for FM's profits.

of course you are not. cause this whole thread is about Christine's return and whether it will give the band a huge boost in profits. as it did. :lol:

and, i don't "despise" Nicks, btw.

[KarmaContestant]

a) it's Christine who is responsible for FM being one of the biggest most expensive sold out tours of the year



I take issue with this statement of yours - every time Fleetwood Mac has toured since The Dance they've landed in the top 10, both in revenue and ticket prices. It's not just because of Christine - it's because it's Fleetwood Mac.

:angel:

[BlueDenimLamp]

and, i don't "despise" Nicks, btw.

Your "since you specifically ask, I prefer not having to see Stevie on stage" post makes it sound like you have a real dislike for someone.

[HelloMonster]

Disliking someone is not the same as preferring solo over a group.

[elle]

I take issue with this statement of yours - every time Fleetwood Mac has toured since The Dance they've landed in the top 10, both in revenue and ticket prices. It's not just because of Christine - it's because it's Fleetwood Mac.

:angel:

that's fine, you can ignore it or you can look at statistics for all those tours you are quoting. or you can look at just the numbers quoted in this thread. yes FM always did great since the dance, but this year they did spectacular. the highest prices, all sold out shows, 2nd highest gross/show, it goes on and on.

or you can take the really easy way and look at their sales from last year, at half the ticket price (how many shows did they sell out last year? how about this year? in the same arenas? what is the difference between last and this year?). :shrug:

[elle]

Her talents are a gift. The prices are an unwanted gift though!
Is this really impressive or are we all just really stupid?
:lol: both.

we all and others.

[MikeInNV]

that's fine, you can ignore it or you can look at statistics for all those tours you are quoting. or you can look at just the numbers quoted in this thread. yes FM always did great since the dance, but this year they did spectacular. the highest prices, all sold out shows, 2nd highest gross/show, it goes on and on.

or you can take the really easy way and look at their sales from last year, at half the ticket price (how many shows did they sell out last year? how about this year? in the same arenas? what is the difference between last and this year?). :shrug:

I agree with KarmaContestant. The sellouts, the high prices, etc. are because it's all 5. The original statement, "She did this" makes it sound like people are there to see only Christine.

[SteveMacD]

I agree with KarmaContestant. The sellouts, the high prices, etc. are because it's all 5. The original statement, "She did this" makes it sound like people are there to see only Christine.
But, more people care now that she's back. The full band has always done better than the almost full band. Christine's return is the sole reason this tour has had a significantly better showing than last year's tour. The fallacy people make is that because Christine didn't have the stellar solo career, she's not as popular. The problem with this is while Stevie was the star of the band, Christine was the voice of the band. She didn't need a solo career.

[HomerMcvie]

The fallacy people make is that because Christine didn't have the stellar solo career, she's not as popular. The problem with this is while Stevie was the star of the band, Christine was the voice of the band. She didn't need a solo career.

Bravo!!! Fleetwood Mac is her career! She IS Fleetwood Mac.

[jbrownsjr]

But, more people care now that she's back. The full band has always done better than the almost full band. Christine's return is the sole reason this tour has had a significantly better showing than last year's tour. The fallacy people make is that because Christine didn't have the stellar solo career, she's not as popular. The problem with this is while Stevie was the star of the band, Christine was the voice of the band. She didn't need a solo career.

Excellent statement. Christine has always been about the band first and foremost. People wanted to hear her songs live again. And after 15 plus years, she and her songs are well remembered.
When I was at the Forum earlier this month, a lady sitting next to me said the last time they came through Los Angeles they had the whole row to themselves and the energy in the crowd was nothing like this year.
The energy within the band seems electric, nowadays.

[MikeInNV]

But, more people care now that she's back. The full band has always done better than the almost full band. Christine's return is the sole reason this tour has had a significantly better showing than last year's tour. The fallacy people make is that because Christine didn't have the stellar solo career, she's not as popular. The problem with this is while Stevie was the star of the band, Christine was the voice of the band. She didn't need a solo career.

Agree completely, but not only did Christine have to come out of retirement, John had to decide not to retire after a health scare, Stevie had to forgo a 24KG tour, Lindsey had to postpone solo plans, etc. These stellar concert grosses are generated by 5 people.

[MikeInNV]

She IS Fleetwood Mac.

That's overstating things a bit, isn't it? We know how you react to statements like that about Stevie. :rolleyes:

[elle]

These stellar concert grosses are generated by 5 people.

and the 4 out of those 5 could generate just about half of those grosses last year.

with practically the same setlist minus 5 Christine's songs.

[elle]

That's overstating things a bit, isn't it? We know how you react to statements like that about Stevie. :rolleyes:

:lol:

although i'd say in the UK, CM easily may be [the rumours era FM]. i've been to some UK shows last year. they played FM in the bar next to the venue after the show. you know which songs they played? almost none of them that were a part of last years concert: Everywhere, Little Lies, Say You Love Me... and GYOW thrown in for some good measure.

[MikeInNV]

and the 4 out of those 5 could generate just about half of those grosses last year.

with practically the same setlist minus 5 Christine's songs.

Again, that's my point: It's because we have 5 out of 5 on this tour. Do you think they would generate this same money if CM was there but LB or SN was missing?

[Macfanforever]

I did not notice much on my tix since I'm in the cheap seats for this tour.

[jbrownsjr]

I did not notice much on my tix since I'm in the cheap seats for this tour.

Not a bad strategy.

[nicepace]

Oh please! Why do some fans want to minimize Christine's importance? Of course a lot of people are interested because it's all five members, but Chris is the one who's been missing these last years. Christine's rejoining the band is the big news, the big reason why this tour is doing so well. Another band member postponing a solo project for this tour is nowhere near as important to the general public as Christine rejoining the band after a decade and a half of retirement.

I detect a bit of jealousy among the Stevie diehards that Christine is doing something for this band that Stevie couldn't do.

[SteveMacD]

That's overstating things a bit, isn't it? We know how you react to statements like that about Stevie. :rolleyes:
It's an overstatement, but not as much as one would think. She was a session player during the Peter Green days and she was argueably the most visible member of the band from 1970-74. Being a woman in a band like Fleetwood Mac back then was a rarity. Of course it has to be noted that during the heyday, she had two singles per album on the band's three biggest sellers. In fact she had nine Top 40 songs in the USA with Fleetwood Mac, compared to five from Stevie and three from Lindsey.

[jbrownsjr]

I detect a bit of jealousy among the Stevie diehards that Christine is doing something for this band that Stevie couldn't do.

You think? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

The behaviors of some fans are so interesting to observe. As if Christine could possibly threaten Stevie's career or limelight. Yet, the insecurities of some of the fans is staggering. But that's what makes the ledge fun sometimes.

[HomerMcvie]

That's overstating things a bit, isn't it? We know how you react to statements like that about Stevie. :rolleyes:

I DID NOT bring up anyone other than Christine. You did. Glad you feel the truth to be threatening to someone else. Who is dead to me, btw!:lol:

[MikeInNV]

Oh please! Why do some fans want to minimize Christine's importance? Of course a lot of people are interested because it's all five members, but Chris is the one who's been missing these last years. Christine's rejoining the band is the big news, the big reason why this tour is doing so well. Another band member postponing a solo project for this tour is nowhere near as important to the general public as Christine rejoining the band after a decade and a half of retirement.

I detect a bit of jealousy among the Stevie diehards that Christine is doing something for this band that Stevie couldn't do.

The behaviors of some fans are so interesting to observe. As if Christine could possibly threaten Stevie's career or limelight. Yet, the insecurities of some of the fans is staggering. But that's what makes the ledge fun sometimes.

I'm not jealous about anything. Unlike some, I am championing the whole band. I agree that Chris's return is the big news for this tour because now the band is complete.

You say Chris is doing something Stevie couldn't do, while I'm asserting the 5 fireflies are doing something no subset of 4 could do.

We're probably arguing way too much over something that is most likely a matter of semantics.

[MikeInNV]

I DID NOT bring up anyone other than Christine. You did. Glad you feel the truth to be threatening to someone else. Who is dead to me, btw!:lol:

It isn't the truth the Chris IS Fleetwood Mac, just as it's not true that Stevie is. They're part of a band, and they both bring something to it.

[HomerMcvie]

It isn't the truth the Chris IS Fleetwood Mac, just as it's not true that Stevie is. They're part of a band, and they both bring something to it.

Opinions....hmm...:lol:

[KarmaContestant]

or you can take the really easy way and look at their sales from last year, at half the ticket price (how many shows did they sell out last year? how about this year? in the same arenas? what is the difference between last and this year?). :shrug:

The acts that aren't touring at the same time, that beat out FM before. :shrug: Like the Rolling Stones.

[elle]

The behaviors of some fans are so interesting to observe. As if Christine could possibly threaten Stevie's career or limelight. Yet, the insecurities of some of the fans is staggering. But that's what makes the ledge fun sometimes.
yes, it's been very interesting to watch it unfold in this thread! :thumbsup: :cool:

Unlike some, I am championing the whole band.
if you are honest, you'd say unlike most here, not some. rare people on this board are really championing the whole band. and no matter what people claim and whether they admit it to themselves or others, many posts speak pretty clearly on where certain people's preferences lay:


most people here would be just as happy or not happpier if it would be only SN solo from now on.
many people here would love nothing better than just BN, or if it has to be BN backed by FM; these people have been griping about CM's return for the last year.
and then there are minority of people who'd love nothing better than LB solo. and then people who love any version of the band than has CM in it - whether FM 5, or Buckingham/McVie, or BM FM. and maybe people who'd prefer CM solo? etc etc.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm not jealous about anything. Unlike some, I am championing the whole band. I agree that Chris's return is the big news for this tour because now the band is complete.

You say Chris is doing something Stevie couldn't do, while I'm asserting the 5 fireflies are doing something no subset of 4 could do.

We're probably arguing way too much over something that is most likely a matter of semantics.

No, I'm saying that, Christine doesn't return, this influx of interest and huge prices doesn't happen.

[elle]

The acts that aren't touring at the same time, that beat out FM before. :shrug: Like the Rolling Stones.

:confused: FM's prices are twice as high as last year's cause Stones are not touring in the US this year?

(btw they are touring this year, in AUS etc.)

[jbrownsjr]

:confused: FM's prices are twice as high as last year's cause Stones are not touring in the US this year?

(btw they are touring this year, in AUS etc.)

The high prices are due to the humidity in Arkansas and don't have anything to do with Christine McVie.

[KarmaContestant]

:confused: FM's prices are twice as high as last year's cause Stones are not touring in the US this year?

(btw they are touring this year, in AUS etc.)

I think we're talking about different things. You said they are number 1 because of Christine - I said they always do well because they are Fleetwood Mac. You are talking about ticket prices, I am talking about total gross tour revenues. I was wrong - they are not always top 10.

Here they are for 2003, 2009, 2013

2003

Rank $ in Millions Avg. price # of shows
1 $115.90 Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band $71.36 30/47
2 80.5 Celine Dion 135.81 1/145
3 69.3 Eagles 107.57 47/55
4 69 Fleetwood Mac 83.37 66/71
5 68.2 Cher 65.91 98/102
6 64.5 Simon & Garfunkel 136.9 28/39
7 64 Aerosmith/KISS 76.08 56/58
8 60.5 Dixie Chicks 56 56/65
9 50.9 Billy Joel/Elton John 109.24 23/27
10 48.8 “Summer Sanitarium Tour”/Metallica 70.32 19/19

EDIT: according to Pollstar, FM ranked 9th in 2009:

Rank Total Gross* Artist
1 123.0 U2
2 94.5 Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band
3 88.0 Elton John / Billy Joel
4 82.5 Britney Spears
5 77.9 AC/DC
6 71.1 Kenny Chesney
7 69.8 Jonas Brothers
8 56.9 Dave Matthews Band
9 54.5 Fleetwood Mac
10 53.4 Metallica


IN 2013:
2013′s Top Grossing Tours:
1. Bon Jovi ($205,158,370)
2. Michael Jackson The Immortal World Tour by Cirque Du Soleil ($157,299,100)
3. Pink ($147,947,543)
4. Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band ($147,608,938)
5. Rihanna ($137,982,530)
6. The Rolling Stones ($126,182,391)
7. Taylor Swift ($115,379,331)
8. Beyonce ($104,358,899)
9. Depeche Mode ($99,972,733)
10. Kenny Chesney ($90,932,957)
11. Roger Waters ($81,305,650)
12. One Direction ($78,311,383)
13. Justin Bieber ($77,423,264)
14. Madonna ($76,752,277)
15. Jay Z & Justin Timberlake ($69,753,905)
16. Paul McCartney ($69,584,403)
17. Fleetwood Mac ($61,899,473)

Ultimately, I do not expect them to land top 10 this year in gross tour revenue, because they started late.

[jbrownsjr]

Wow they came in as low as 17th last year. Makes sense from what I've been told. The longer they toured without Chris, the farther they fell.

[KarmaContestant]

Wow they came in as low as 17th last year. Makes sense from what I've been told. The longer they toured without Chris, the farther they fell.

And, the longer without new material - not counting that EP, which wasn't even really formally released.

[jbrownsjr]

And, the longer without new material.

Well, they did have the EP last year.

[elle]

I think we're talking about different things. You said they are number 1 because of Christine - I said they always do well because they are Fleetwood Mac. You are talking about ticket prices, I am talking about total gross tour revenues. I was wrong - they are not always top 10.

Here they are for 2003, 2009, 2013

2003

Rank $ in Millions / Avg. price / # of shows

4 69 Fleetwood Mac 83.37 66/71


In 2009, they only placed 13th/14th (depending on source) but there were too many heavy hitters in front of them - U2, Madonna, Coldplay, Britney Spears, Elton John - many of whom also played more than FMs 59 shows.

IN 2013:
2013′s Top Grossing Tours:

17. Fleetwood Mac ($61,899,473)

thanks for finding and sharing the stats. what i'm talking about is all of it:

average price per show (2x as much as last year if you look at just the face floor ticket prices)
how many sold out shows they had
average price of tickets sold on secondary market
average gross per show

you seem to be stuck on their placement relative to other touring bands, and as you say, that is highly dependent on who else is touring that specific year.

so in 2003, report you quote has them as doing more shows than anybody other then Dion, making $69 M for reported shows (66 dates), with average ticket price $83.37.

in 2013, report you quote has them making $62 M, we know average ticket price was below $100, and they had just a few sold out shows.

below is this year's pollstar so far - their average price is $132.10 (and sure, higher than anybody on that list, and higher than their ticket prices from 2003, 2009 and 2013 which all seem to hover around $80), they had maybe even 90% of sold out shows so far, and they are making average $2.4 M per show which at just 40 dates so far would be about $80 M already and they have at least 40 more dates booked.

Daily Mail (UK)

Top 20 Concert Tours from Pollstar By Associated Press

Published: 19:52 EST, 19 December 2014


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2881445/Top-20-Concert-Tours-Pollstar.html#ixzz3MWWo7Glw


1. (1) One Direction; $4,995,401; $82.12.

2. (New) Fleetwood Mac; $2,351,433; $132.10.

3. (2) Katy Perry; $1,870,870; $101.70.

4. (5) Enrique Iglesias/Pitbull; $1,190,894; $83.03.

5. (4) Luke Bryan; $1,173,493; $51.45.

6. (6) Marc Anthony; $1,170,987; $104.43.

7. (7) Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers; $1,142,190; $93.65.

8. (8) Zac Brown Band; $823,440; $48.70.

9. (10) Linkin Park/Thirty Seconds To Mars; $780,321; $55.11.

10. (9) Motley Crue; $753,148; $66.20.

11. (12) Blake Shelton; $742,548; $44.96.

12. (11) Jason Aldean; $723,332; $42.49.

13. (13) Alejandro Fernandez; $683,741; $72.50.

14. (14) Eric Church; $642,683; $50.36.

15. (New) Trans-Siberian Orchestra; $639,271; $53.00.

16. (16) Bob Dylan; $546,716; $100.57.

17. (15) The Black Keys; $523,697; $59.32.

18. (19) James Taylor; $522,677; $79.32.

19. (21) Ed Sheeran; $447,487; $49.39.

20. (20) Brad Paisley; $430,866; $41.03.

[HomerMcvie]

Well, they did have the EP last year.

Yeah, but did anyone buy it?

I didn't. On the word of two DIE HARD fans, that told me not to waste my money on it.

[jbrownsjr]

^^^ And they are just getting started.

[jbrownsjr]

Yeah, but did anyone buy it?

I didn't. On the word of two DIE HARD fans, that told me not to waste my money on it.

I did. B- It does have a Mirage sound that I like. Lindsey shouldn't play piano.

[SteveMacD]

It isn't the truth the Chris IS Fleetwood Mac, just as it's not true that Stevie is. They're part of a band, and they both bring something to it.
I disagree. To equate Christine's importance to Fleetwood Mac to Stevie's is absurd. Christine is on all but two albums and an EP and has nine out 17 of Fleetwood Mac's top 40 singles. Stevie has only been on seven Fleetwood Mac albums and an EP and only had five top 40 singles with Fleetwood Mac. Stevie has the bigger name and the bigger solo career, but Christine is the face and the voice of Fleetwood Mac.

[elle]

Yeah, but did anyone buy it?

I didn't. On the word of two DIE HARD fans, that told me not to waste my money on it.

don't you go spitting on the EP now!!

EP is pretty great, no matter what *diehards* who never listened to it - or listened to it once - have to say. :p :rolleyes:

:angel:

[jbrownsjr]

I disagree. To equate Christine's importance to Fleetwood Mac to Stevie's is absurd. Christine is on all but two albums and an EP and has nine out 17 of Fleetwood Mac's top 40 singles. Stevie has only been on seven Fleetwood Mac albums and an EP and only had five top 40 singles with Fleetwood Mac. Stevie has the bigger name and the bigger solo career, but Christine is the face and the voice of Fleetwood Mac.

Christine has longer legs. :lol:

[michelej1]

I didn't. On the word of two DIE HARD fans, that told me not to waste my money on it.

They lied to you.

Michele

[SteveMacD]

don't you go spitting on the EP now!!

EP is pretty great, no matter what *diehards* who never listened to it - or listened to it once - have to say. :p :rolleyes:

:angel:
It was okay. I'd love a remake of Miss Fantasy with Christine on piano.

[SteveMacD]

Christine has longer legs. :lol:
There's that, too!

[elle]

It was okay. I'd love a remake of Miss Fantasy with Christine on piano.

not into Mitchell Froom's piano / keyboards?

[FuzzyPlum]

not into Mitchell Froom's piano / keyboards?

Is it not Lindsey playing the piano?

[SteveMacD]

not into Mitchell Froom's piano / keyboards?

I was thinking more on the lines of replacing Lindsey's main acoustic with Christine on piano. Froom's playing is great, but this would give it more of a classic Mac sound.

[elle]

Is it not Lindsey playing the piano?

i think just on It Takes Time.

pretty sure we knew it's Froom on the other tracks.

[elle]

I was thinking more on the lines of replacing Lindsey's main acoustic with Christine on piano. Froom's playing is great, but this would give it more of a classic Mac sound.
wouldn't that be the sound of Peter Green's guitar? :angel:

[KarmaContestant]

2003 was my last Fleetwood Mac show. I paid $165 face-value, plus fees, to Ticketmonster for my nosebleed seats, and decided I was done.

[FuzzyPlum]

i think just on It Takes Time.

pretty sure we knew it's Froom on the other tracks.

Oh, okay. Surely it should have been the other way around.
If LB is prepared to play piano on It Takes Time, I don't see why somebody else would be playing on the other tracks where the keys are less prominent.

[secret love]

Oh, okay. Surely it should have been the other way around.
If LB is prepared to play piano on It Takes Time, I don't see why somebody else would be playing on the other tracks where the keys are less prominent.

The piano on It Takes Time was confirmed by Mick Fleetwood at one of his infamous Meet and Greets to be played by Lindsey Buckingham.

Anyway, it would appear to me that It Takes Time was not part of the eight songs Lindsey, Mick and John recorded together without Stevie in 2012. It sounds and feels like a solo effort originally intended for a solo record.

[Macfanforever]

2003 was my last Fleetwood Mac show. I paid $165 face-value, plus fees, to Ticketmonster for my nosebleed seats, and decided I was done.

Some of the tix would be not bad without those corrupt Ticketbastard hammer charges.

[Macfanforever]

Look on the bright side.The gas prices are dropping and it will be cheaper for those who drive to these shows.

[SteveMacD]

wouldn't that be the sound of Peter Green's guitar? :angel:
In 1970, maybe. But he flipped out. Fleetwood Mac lived on. Christine was there all the while.

[HomerMcvie]

I disagree. To equate Christine's importance to Fleetwood Mac to Stevie's is absurd. Christine is on all but two albums and an EP and has nine out 17 of Fleetwood Mac's top 40 singles. Stevie has only been on seven Fleetwood Mac albums and an EP and only had five top 40 singles with Fleetwood Mac. Stevie has the bigger name and the bigger solo career, but Christine is the face and the voice of Fleetwood Mac.

Steve, on the Ledge(and every forum, to be fair), the sun will ALWAYS rise and shine out of Stevie's "once coked up"...backside, and it always will.

Fairy dust, and glitter and GIANT unicorns :lol: , and crap like that.:mad:

[Jondalar]

So how much do you think each member will take home from this mega tour?

[BlueDenimLamp]

So how much do you think each member will take home from this mega tour?

Depends what the split is...Someone posted that the old split was...40(SN)-30(LB)-15(MF)-15(JM) that was for 4...Anyone know what the new one is? 30(SN)-20(LB)-20(CM)-15(MF)-15(JM)?

[michelej1]

From an interview about the Interlochen Center for the Arts

The Ticker News, April 10, 2015

http://www.traverseticker.com/story/harry-connick-aaron-copland-and-how-it-all-came-together

Ticker: And you're also limited by a budget?

Gruits: Sure, everybody has a budget, but what's more interesting is our seating capacity. At 4,000 seats, we don't have a giant lawn like DTE Energy Music Theatre or Ravinia outside of Chicago. We're considered a small venue, and that also limits the types of artists you can access. Fleetwood Mac, for instance, only goes to venues with 15,000 seats and up.