The London show September 2013

[ironman_01701]

Photo's of Chris On stage singing "Don't Stop":
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[ironman_01701]

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Signing her autograph outside the Amsterdam Hotel:
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[vivfox]

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Love all these screen shots. Lindsey looks so happy as if years have been peeled off his face. He looks like a giddy little boy.

[jbrownsjr]

Wow!! Just, wow! Thank you for posting these.

[michelej1]

Very beautiful.

Michele

[elle]

love the photos and screencaps, thanks for sharing ironman!

[elle]

Love all these screen shots. Lindsey looks so happy as if years have been peeled off his face. He looks like a giddy little boy.
happy? no, can't be?! ;)

[jbrownsjr]

happy? no, can't be?! ;)

I swear I won't tell anyone!!

[aleuzzi]

Photo's of Chris On stage singing "Don't Stop":

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s379/ironman_01701/Christine%20McVie%20London%202013/Christine%20McVie%20London%20Sept%2029%202013/4_zps93609910.jpg

Love this one especially.

[macfan 57]

Beautiful Pictures! This is one of my favorites of the London pictures. I don't really know where it came from. I was just saving them as they came in, a great picture of Chris and John especially.

[jbrownsjr]

Beautiful Pictures! This is one of my favorites of the London pictures. I don't really know where it came from. I was just saving them as they came in, a great picture of Chris and John especially.

Awwww, I love it..

[vivfox]

Love this one especially.


Yes, it is Christine looking out into the upper echelon's at the fans screaming to get her attention with their thunderous applause.

[jwd]

Those are fantastic pictures! Thanks for sharing them.
I just love seeing those five people together.
I certainly hope that I see more of it!

[michelej1]

I just love seeing those five people together.


I do too. There's a certain magic. I was reading an article with a Carradine ( David Carradine I think) and he said that when he and his two brothers were together, the three of them take on a power and confidence that they don't have alone. He said when they enter a bar as a trio, they could beat up anyone, everyone in the room when they were together.

And Stevie made a similar comment about the energy they attract when it's the five of them. It's a palpable thing. Truly.

Michele

[FutureGames71]

The years have been verrrrry good to Christine. I still can't believe she's 70! Talk about graceful aging :nod: Great pics though! Awesome captures.

[MacShadowsBall]

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Interesting expressions on everyone's faces on that one!

Stevie - "She's mine, all mine, I say ALL MINE!!!!"
Christine - "Stevie, I can't breathe stop...must have air!"
Mick - " Yeah, two hot ladies right there, awesome!"
Lindsey - "Hey, girls come on I got get home to Kristen and the kids!"

[ironman_01701]

Stevie greets Chris
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That's it Chris, just one "Don't Stop"
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[jbrownsjr]

Interesting expressions on everyone's faces on that one!

Stevie - "She's mine, all mine, I say ALL MINE!!!!"
Christine - "Stevie, I can't breathe stop...must have air!"
Mick - " Yeah, two hot ladies right there, awesome!"
Lindsey - "Hey, girls come on I got get home to Kristen and the kids!"

Haha... that is a very interesting freeze frame...

[ironman_01701]

Paparazzi caught Chris entering the hotel, she then put a single finger up and put a brave smile for him.
(No wonder why she went into seclusion for 15 years)
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s379/ironman_01701/Christine%20McVie%20London%202013/ChristineEnteringtheAmsterdamHotel_zps05bf899e.jpg

[aleuzzi]

Paparazzi caught Chris entering the hotel, she then put a single finger up and put a brave smile for him.
(No wonder why she went into seclusion for 15 years)
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s379/ironman_01701/Christine%20McVie%20London%202013/ChristineEnteringtheAmsterdamHotel_zps05bf899e.jpg

Love this!

[michelej1]

Love this!

She seems quite happy and playful to me.

There's a perfunctory lets-get-this-over-with smile, but then there's a genuine smile where your eyes twinkle too and, here, her eyes are twinkling.

Michele

[SteveMacD]

She seems quite happy and playful to me.

There's a perfunctory lets-get-this-over-with smile, but then there's a genuine smile where your eyes twinkle too and, here, her eyes are twinkling.
She's totally eating it up.

[MacShadowsBall]

Loving these Christine pictures! :cool:

[FutureGames71]

Paparazzi caught Chris entering the hotel, she then put a single finger up and put a brave smile for him.
(No wonder why she went into seclusion for 15 years)
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s379/ironman_01701/Christine%20McVie%20London%202013/ChristineEnteringtheAmsterdamHotel_zps05bf899e.jpg

She's just hamming it up for the cameras ahaha :lol: I LOVE it!!!

[jbrownsjr]

She's just hamming it up for the cameras ahaha :lol: I LOVE it!!!

It's been so refreshing, having her back.. even for a moment or two..

[jwd]

That sweater is rather "form(s) fitting"! :thumbsup:

[jwd]

I do too. There's a certain magic. I was reading an article with a Carradine ( David Carradine I think) and he said that when he and his two brothers were together, the three of them take on a power and confidence that they don't have alone. He said when they enter a bar as a trio, they could beat up anyone, everyone in the room when they were together.

And Stevie made a similar comment about the energy they attract when it's the five of them. It's a palpable thing. Truly.

Michele

Yeah, I totally agree with that. But I think what gets me more is that there is so much history between the five of them. Takes you back to certain times in your life that you love to revisit. Like a song or songs that you associate with special moments.

[michelej1]

That sweater is rather "form(s) fitting"! :thumbsup:

Ha. Well ... I was just thinking she looked more busty in that sweater than she has in some of the other tops we've seen her in recently.

Michele

[bombaysaffires]

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Signing her autograph outside the Amsterdam Hotel:
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the difference in expression between Mick's face and Lindsey's face in photo 6 is very interesting..

[FutureGames71]

the difference in expression between Mick's face and Lindsey's face in photo 6 is very interesting..

Mick: I'm so ****ing happy she's back! She deserves every second of that applause.

Lindsey:...****... That's my applause, how DARE she!

He really needs to get over himself. Everyone else on the band has seemed to bury the hatchet and mature while he still holds on to grudges and cling to the past. Yesterdays Gone dude, don't look back. (Yes, pun very much intended)

[FutureGames71]

It's been so refreshing, having her back.. even for a moment or two..

Even a millisecond with Christine is refreshing!

[michelej1]

the difference in expression between Mick's face and Lindsey's face in photo 6 is very interesting..

The video tells a fuller story than the screen caps. At the show, from my perspective, Lindsey was upset because Christine was isolated from the rest of the band that first night. He wanted it to be more of a group reunion and tried to get in on the hug, but was kind of segregated from them, before and after she performed and he looked as if he felt left out of the embrace. When she first came out and was hugging Stevie, he walked over and tried to get her attention, she didn't hear him initially. After Don't Stop she and Stevie were over to the side of the stage and he tried to wave her over. Then, after their group bow, he blew kisses at her, but she couldn't see him, because she was turned to John.

The expression on his face in that particular photo is, I think, him wanting Stevie and Christine to come center stage. In the video, you can see him trying to get them to come. He motioned them over and then Mick told them to come over and they did. At that point, once they were all four gathered together, Lindsey was all smiles.

The next night it was much different, because Christine came right out and immediately kissed Stevie, John and Lindsey and Stevie stood back from Christine as well. So, Christine was never isolated on one side of the stage on Friday.

Michele

[ironman_01701]

Lindsey, ever the leader of FM is the business leader, wanted to finish the end of the set list and wrap up the performance. There is a whole crew of people supporting the performance on stage and there is a lot of money involved with full cycle of a performance. The lighting, audio and security, clean-up people etc. all are contracted for so many minutes (hours before and hours after the performance) and they get paid for those allotted times. If the performance exceeds the time it cuts into their contract. I believe he was more interested in completing the show within the contracted time period.

Lindsey is the driver and makes the money for FM band, and he stood there looking at the love shared by Stevie and Chris extending and exceeding the time. I'm sure he felt her presence and the audience love for Chris. In the past comments, Lindsey must have felt a bit of ill will about Chris leaving the Band in 98. All of that must have been his mind at that time when he looked into the audience, not so for Mick and Stevie. Mick is NOT the onstage manager of the band and I dare say NOT Stevie.

Love is cold and money does not feel love. Stevie can talk and dance on stage for ever, and not think about what Lindsey must think about. The rehearsing of the band takes its toll at their age. I believe that is why Lindsey looked away and wanted to move on ---- JMHO.

[michelej1]

Lindsey seemed more concerned with getting everyone together in the center of the stage than getting the show going, from where I sat (which was in front of Chris' keyboard, so I couldn't always see the right side of the stage). It was only when Stevie and Christine were secluded from the rest of the group that he seemed bothered.

Here are some of my pictures:

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[michelej1]

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[michelej1]

And here's a screen cap that Elle put up:

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[michelej1]

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[elle]

[QUOTE=michelej1;1105234]
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so now you have Stevie tapping her foot "oh, get it over already!"

just shows you one can see whatever they want to see in photos and videos. :lol:

[FutureGames71]

Third picture down Stevie looks like she's ready for bed! :lol::lol::lol:

[jbrownsjr]

[QUOTE=michelej1;1111058]

so now you have Stevie tapping her foot "oh, get it over already!"

just shows you one can see whatever they want to see in photos and videos. :lol:

Lindsey is clearly whispering to her, "if you ever come on this stage again, I will cut you!"

C'mon Elle, can't you see it?

[vivfox]

[QUOTE=elle;1111086]

Lindsey is clearly whispering to her, "if you ever come on this stage again, I will cut you!"

C'mon Elle, can't you see it?


:lol::lol::lol:Touche.

[elle]

[QUOTE=elle;1111086]

Lindsey is clearly whispering to her, "if you ever come on this stage again, I will cut you!"

C'mon Elle, can't you see it?

right? clearly! ;)

[applebucked]

Then Christine goes, "I'm going to make your life the 10th circle of hell."

[elle]

Then Christine goes, "I'm going to make your life the 10th circle of hell."

yeah, so obvious from these pics! these 2 definitely hate each other, not sure why everybody can't clearly see that? :lol: ;) :shrug:

[applebucked]

yeah, so obvious from these pics! these 2 definitely hate each other, not sure why everybody can't clearly see that? :lol: ;) :shrug:
when would a video of Christine chewing Lindsey out (idc what era) surface because I need it in life. :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

yeah, so obvious from these pics! these 2 definitely hate each other, not sure why everybody can't clearly see that? :lol: ;) :shrug:

Their hate is organic.. :lol:

[applebucked]

Their hate is organic.. :lol:
and it goes on in cycles. :lol:

[jbrownsjr]

and it goes on in cycles. :lol:

and it's a masculine hate

[elle]

and it goes on in cycles. :lol:
although it can't just come and go.

and it's a masculine hate
testosterone filled.

[michelej1]

Isn't that weird?

Michele

[SteveMacD]

testosterone filled.
Christine could kick his ass in a bar fight.

[applebucked]

Christine could kick his ass in a bar fight.
Nah, she'd rather have him for breakfast.
http://i.imgur.com/qfRRQBE.png

or maybe not. :lol:

[applebucked]

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[jbrownsjr]

I'm never going to stop laughing...

[HomerMcvie]

Christine could kick his ass in a bar fight.

I have always maintained this position. THAT'S why he'd rather not have her around. She's the only one with enough balls to stand up to him. Everyone else backs down from him, except Chris.:angel:

[jbrownsjr]

I have always maintained this position. THAT'S why he'd rather not have her around. She's the only one with enough balls to stand up to him. Everyone else backs down from him, except Chris.:angel:

When I met Ken, he mentioned that nobody will stand up to LB. He also stated that LB is extremely fond of Christine.

[elle]

I have always maintained this position. THAT'S why he'd rather not have her around. She's the only one with enough balls to stand up to him. Everyone else backs down from him, except Chris.:angel:
good for Christine, but isn't that weird? why wouldn't people speak their mind if they feel strongly about something? i could never understand that, when someone says others in FM bow down to whatever LB says. why would they do that? especially SN, these days when she essentially holds most of the cards in her hands re FM? laziness? taking the easy route out?

btw, however cool it is to think Christine'd be stronger than Lindsey :thumbsup:, i think for their lithe frames they are actually both unexpectedly physically strong people.

[elle]

When I met Ken, he mentioned that nobody will stand up to LB. He also stated that LB is extremely fond of Christine.

he seems to be. the only evidence (but maybe someone here knows stuff i don't?) we seem to have of him not being extremely fond of her is his ridiculous "burning the bridges" phrasing and of course whatever SN rambles about either one of them ... and SN is not exactly the most reliable or unbiased person in that triangle. :lol:

[FutureGames71]

Nobody confronts or stands up to LB because they're probably worried hell pull the same stunt again that he pulled in '87.

[HomerMcvie]

I think Lindsey is just the guy who will argue and argue....AND ARGUE, until he gets his own way. I think it's just easier in the long run, to give in.

Don't you all know anyone like that?

I work with a guy like this. He has no position over me, whatsoever, but he just wears you down, arguing to no end, on why things need to be his way. Most of us just give in, and do things his way, because ain't nobody got time for all that arguing...

Let the babies have their own damned way.:mad:

[jbrownsjr]

he seems to be. the only evidence (but maybe someone here knows stuff i don't?) we seem to have of him not being extremely fond of her is his ridiculous "burning the bridges" phrasing and of course whatever SN rambles about either one of them ... and SN is not exactly the most reliable or unbiased person in that triangle. :lol:

I am in full agreement with Michele. I think he just wanted structure to her guesting on stage with them. LB has always been very sensitive about public perception and protocol. I think at this juncture in FM's career it's a little short sighted and maybe a bit anal. I mean David Gilmour had a full blown concert and David Bowie came out as a guest for one show. Gilmour used that show to make his DVD. The crowd went wild.

A simple, "We're gonna bring Christine back out for one more..." would have been fabulous.

Having said all that, I think any animosity he has comes from his disappointment of her complete and utter disappearance. When someone you "are very fond of" just up and leaves.... well it would be impossible not to have some anger about that.

As far as her re-joining them.. he better be open arms on that. One, they sound so much better with her. Two, it could be epic for all 5. Three, Nicks/Buckingham have become a bit stale. I'm not a fan of the EP in any way shape or form.

[elle]

I think Lindsey is just the guy who will argue and argue....AND ARGUE, until he gets his own way. I think it's just easier in the long run, to give in.

that's just a speculation, no?

he seems to me more like someone who'll say "we'll do it this way" and others just don't care to put in the work or input in doing it differently. Chris may be the only one having valid arguments, so he respects her opinion, or she is / was willing to also put in the work to actually make it different. so he listens to her suggestions, and can go either way... you know the sum of the parts... :thumbsup:

frankly, i think John also has very strong opinions and ideas about his parts, and while they argued in the 70s, Lindsey has since learned it adds much more to just let John do what he wants to. but John, as he said in DR doc, doesn't have strong opinions about other song parts besides his own... while Christine would.

[MoonSister75]

I think Lindsey is just the guy who will argue and argue....AND ARGUE, until he gets his own way. I think it's just easier in the long run, to give in.

Don't you all know anyone like that?

I work with a guy like this. He has no position over me, whatsoever, but he just wears you down, arguing to no end, on why things need to be his way. Most of us just give in, and do things his way, because ain't nobody got time for all that arguing...

Let the babies have their own damned way.:mad:

Yes I know some one exactly like that. Its REALLY hard work standing up to them. It can be done, but it takes so much energy you think is it worth it? I tend to try and avoid this person.

[applebucked]

good for Christine, but isn't that weird? why wouldn't people speak their mind if they feel strongly about something? i could never understand that, when someone says others in FM bow down to whatever LB says. why would they do that? especially SN, these days when she essentially holds most of the cards in her hands re FM? laziness? taking the easy route out?

btw, however cool it is to think Christine'd be stronger than Lindsey :thumbsup:, i think for their lithe frames they are actually both unexpectedly physically strong people.
It's more of their personalities than anything. Mick and Stevie come across as mediators, and thus prefer to keep the peace, while John prefers to not involve himself in conflicts. Christine, however, comes across as someone who is very blunt and honest, as manifested in multiple written accounts.

Speaking of your last sentence, I would think so too. :thumbsup: I'm trying to imagine who would win between the two in an arm wrestling contset.

[elle]

Having said all that, I think any animosity he has comes from his disappointment of her complete and utter disappearance. When someone you "are very fond of" just up and leaves.... well it would be impossible not to have some anger about that.

As far as her re-joining them.. he better be open arms on that. One, they sound so much better with her. Two, it could be epic for all 5. Three, Nicks/Buckingham have become a bit stale. I'm not a fan of the EP in any way shape or form.

yes and yes.

about EP, i don't know. i kinda hate it that LB went back to the formula there, but i really don't understand how all the people who seem to be so fond of FM formula dislike it so much. i think Christine herself said she's writing more of her formulaic songs these days... so it seems her and LB somehow agreed that's what they may do with the FM album if it ever comes to fruition. and i think John's illness puts it all in perspective and they actually will finish that album that the men of mac started.

[applebucked]

I am in full agreement with Michele. I think he just wanted structure to her guesting on stage with them. LB has always been very sensitive about public perception and protocol. I think at this juncture in FM's career it's a little short sighted and maybe a bit anal. I mean David Gilmour had a full blown concert and David Bowie came out as a guest for one show. Gilmour used that show to make his DVD. The crowd went wild.

A simple, "We're gonna bring Christine back out for one more..." would have been fabulous.

Having said all that, I think any animosity he has comes from his disappointment of her complete and utter disappearance. When someone you "are very fond of" just up and leaves.... well it would be impossible not to have some anger about that.

As far as her re-joining them.. he better be open arms on that. One, they sound so much better with her. Two, it could be epic for all 5. Three, Nicks/Buckingham have become a bit stale. I'm not a fan of the EP in any way shape or form.
I think this pretty much sums it up. Their relationship to me seems like the kind that would spend lots of time arguing and bickering a lot, but they have this brother/sister bond that will never go away either. And given the present circumstances, 1. Chris would probably re-join full time and 2. Lindsey would welcome it with open arms.

[MoonSister75]

Yes I agree - I was just thinking of how much I liked that summing up of the situation :nod:

[elle]

It's more of their personalities than anything. Mick and Stevie come across as mediators, and thus prefer to keep the peace, while John prefers to not involve himself in conflicts. Christine, however, comes across as someone who is very blunt and honest, as manifested in multiple written accounts.

i think Mick is a mediator, definitely. Mick himself said at one of the m&gs that if it were up to him, he'd play blues, that's his favorite FM period, and that's his favorite kind of music to play. but he seems to go very much with the flow, and what's best for FM at a given point in time. and these days he seems to think supporting LB in having the reigns and bringing Christine back would be the best.

for Stevie, other than she herself saying she's a mediator, i don't see any evidence of that but i don't know much about her outside FM docs... from DR doc, she seems to be enabler maybe, giving in and then being passive aggressive about it later.

[applebucked]

i think Mick is a mediator, definitely. Mick himself said at one of the m&gs that if it were up to him, he'd play blues, that's his favorite FM period, and that's his favorite kind of music to play. but he seems to go very much with the flow, and what's best for FM at a given point in time. and these days he seems to think supporting LB in having the reigns and bringing Christine back would be the best.

for Stevie, other than she herself saying she's a mediator, i don't see any evidence of that but i don't know much about her outside FM docs... from DR doc, she seems to be enabler maybe, giving in and then being passive aggressive about it later.
Perhaps it depends on how she wakes up that day. :p Maybe enabler would be a better word for it than mediator. Honestly, Lindsey and Christine's dynamic is a more interesting topic than Stevie and Lindsey's these days. :laugh:

[elle]

I think this pretty much sums it up. Their relationship to me seems like the kind that would spend lots of time arguing and bickering a lot, but they have this brother/sister bond that will never go away either. And given the present circumstances, 1. Chris would probably re-join full time and 2. Lindsey would welcome it with open arms.

think so, it would definitely make sense, and we don't have much of anything that would contradict this.

i also think they have a lot of respect for each other and what each brings to the table.

do we know of them bickering? old videos or something?

[applebucked]

think so, it would definitely make sense, and we don't have much of anything that would contradict this.

i also think they have a lot of respect for each other and what each brings to the table.

do we know of them bickering? old videos or something?
The closest (which is not a lot) would be those backstage videos from the Rumours era and this part with Lindsey not wanting to do an interview and Christine goes "it's only 8 o'clock in the morning. it's not like it's f***ing midnight" or somthing like that. If any bickering did happen at some point, that would most likely be behind the scenes.

[elle]

btw guys, thanks to you all, Christine forum seems to be by far the most fun to visit and have some interesting back and forth convos here on TL these days! :nod: :thumbsup:

[applebucked]

btw guys, thanks to you all, Christine forum seems to be by far the most fun to visit and have some interesting back and forth convos here on TL these days! :nod: :thumbsup:
Honestly, this is the only board I enjoy posting these days. This is the only board in my entire stay on TL where petty arguments are a rare occurrence (which the other boards are prone to).

Meanwhile,

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1457608_10201873783359141_2145122296_n.jpg

[MoonSister75]

can I just say... I'm loving these cartoons! :blob1:

[applebucked]

can I just say... I'm loving these cartoons! :blob1:
They're so fun to do, especially when new scenes come up.

and this is Lindsey's little demon

http://i.imgur.com/sMCZz50.jpg

[jbrownsjr]

btw guys, thanks to you all, Christine forum seems to be by far the most fun to visit and have some interesting back and forth convos here on TL these days! :nod: :thumbsup:

I love having you here!! I'm going to pop in the Lindsey forum more often.

[jbrownsjr]

They're so fun to do, especially when new scenes come up.

and this is Lindsey's little demon

http://i.imgur.com/sMCZz50.jpg

Feel free to make a million of these... they are awesome!!

[MoonSister75]

They're so fun to do, especially when new scenes come up.

and this is Lindsey's little demon

http://i.imgur.com/sMCZz50.jpg

I spotted those on your avatar picture earlier today - just brilliant! They really suit her.:lol:

[vivfox]

btw guys, thanks to you all, Christine forum seems to be by far the most fun to visit and have some interesting back and forth convos here on TL these days! :nod: :thumbsup:


Oh c'mon. I know you enjoy doing the Chiff Shuffle dance.

[applebucked]

"I moustache you a question."
http://i.imgur.com/NciOQeD.jpg

This would probably be my Christmas icon
http://i.imgur.com/M6M3pGp.png

Remember those flower crowns that used to be popular online during Hannibal season?
http://i.imgur.com/FU8lqZ5.jpg

[MoonSister75]

oh those deserve 2 blobs :blob2::blob1:

that was such a shock I wasn't expecting to see her with a moustache, and definitely not a hair dryer. Oh don't you just love 'er!

[applebucked]

oh those deserve 2 blobs :blob2::blob1:

that was such a shock I wasn't expecting to see her with a moustache, and definitely not a hair dryer. Oh don't you just love 'er!
The thing is that the hair dryer is legit. :lol:

She looks good with a moustache.

[MoonSister75]

The thing is that the hair dryer is legit. :lol:



I could tell - that's what makes it extra funny :lol:

I really need to cook my dinner....I keep trying, and then I end up back on here... :p I'm starting to feel faint

[jbrownsjr]

I could tell - that's what makes it extra funny :lol:

I really need to cook my dinner....I keep trying, and then I end up back on here... :p I'm starting to feel faint

We are the few, but might!

[elle]

I love having you here!! I'm going to pop in the Lindsey forum more often.
awww :xoxo: - and, quite a different reaction than i get when visiting some other forums. :lol:

yes, please do!

We are the few, but might!
:thumbsup:

it's the quality, not the quantity that counts. :nod: :angel:

[michelej1]

I think this pretty much sums it up. Their relationship to me seems like the kind that would spend lots of time arguing and bickering a lot, but they have this brother/sister bond that will never go away either. And given the present circumstances, 1. Chris would probably re-join full time and 2. Lindsey would welcome it with open arms.

I don't think they did spend a lot of time arguing though. We certainly don't have any comments to that effect. The fact that they had known each other such a short time when they wrote World Turning says a lot. Even Stevie didn't like it because she said she and Lindsey had never written a song together in all of those years. I'm sure Stevie and Lindsey DID fight and that's why they didn't write together, but she still was a little jealous that he could do it with someone else so easily.

While we've heard that Christine rebuked him for taunting Stevie on stage, no one says that they argued over the music. I think Christine and Lindsey give in to each other not because they knock heads but because they respect each other. When Christine gave that interview (I think it's the same one where she talked about her dog being lost and Curry was there) and said that you just listen to what the people in the band had to say and respect them, even when they're wrong, I think she was probably talking about Lindsey. She didn't agree with him all the time, but she gave in to him and he gave in to her just because of personal regard and respect. I think that's what Stevie means when she said Lindsey listened to Christine. She didn't browbeat him or vice versa. He listened to her just because he liked her.

When they talk about Tango and Chris discusses what they wrote together, they don't talk about a lot of conflict between themselves at all. In fact the fighting comes up when Stevie enters the equation. Remember that interview where Christine told the interviewer she'd give him 3 guesses as to why Lindsey left the band, referring to Stevie?
I don't think he argues a lot with Christine (or maybe he didn't but they did during SYW).

By contrast, I think he likes to argue with John and Stevie and doesn't tend to give in to them. As for Mick he seems like the one who gives Lindsey his way to keep the peace, but he's also the one who can get Lindsey to do things to. He is the convincer and gets everyone to do things, eventually.

Michele

[michelej1]

I have always maintained this position. THAT'S why he'd rather not have her around. She's the only one with enough balls to stand up to him. Everyone else backs down from him, except Chris.:angel:

I don't think Christine stands up to him, unless the group is arguing. In that case, she might tell him or anyone else to "shut up". Other than that, I don't think there's a lot to stand up to him against. There's no evidence that he did anything that anyone disagreed with, except for Tusk and she certainly didn't stand up to him on that one. I don't think she liked it then or likes it now, but she didn't stop it.

Stevie says that Christine'll tell Lindsey she didn't like his Tusk songs and won't play them on stage, but she sure didn't stop them from being recorded and never stopped him from doing what he wanted to on stage. But I don't think anyone had the sense they were doing anything against their will. I think they thought that Lindsey had good judgment. When Mick said they were all his marionettes or Christine said they formed a bed on which he could roll around and do whatever he wanted, I don't think it's because any of them are intimidated by Lindsey. I think it's because they felt that:

1. His ideas are good ones.
2. He works obsessively and will execute those ideas, to the benefit of FM as a whole.

I think they feel that he turned to out to be right with Rumours and so they trusted his vision ever since. Maybe things that they thought sounded just fine the first take, improved because he insisted they do 20 more takes. They didn't want to at the time, but it ended up paying off so big that after that they didn't argue. If Rumours had never been a hit, he never would have gotten so much power in the band.

They did that interview together and Christine said she should not dare say it with Lindsey sitting right next to her, but no one can make her songs sound the way he does. I think she believed that and that's why he got his way in the band. Stevie doesn't believe that about Lindsey anymore, but in the seventies and eighties, they all did.

Michele

[michelej1]

When I met Ken, he mentioned that nobody will stand up to LB. He also stated that LB is extremely fond of Christine.

Where are the examples that Christine stood up to Lindsey anyway? Aside from the one story that she threw a drink in his face and slapped him, who has ever said that she stood up to him? Who has ever said that he did anything that needed standing up against?

Stevie has said that Christine would run their rehearsals, but that's not something that it sounds like Lindsey was trying to run anyway. When we hear outtakes, Lindsey is not trying to direct that stuff. In fact, Lindsey is pretty quiet on the audio tapes. Stevie is talking, but no one is listening to her. Lindsey is not even talking that much. I think Christine and Lindsey both had their place in the band and it didn't require either of them to keep the other in check very often, because their roles were quite distinct and separate, not causing them to knock heads a lot.

I think if Lindsey had a problem with Christine it had nothing to do with her personality. It had to do with the fact that keyboards had to be arranged into songs where he would not normally have had as much of that, left to his own devices. So, I think many times, he would have tried to do something with a guitar, making it sound close to a piano, but because she was there, he had to work in a piano. And when she was gone he no longer had to work in a piano as much. The funny thing is -- sometimes he has more piano than you'd expect from him on songs without Christine. And also she sure had more guitar on Meantime than I think she needed. It's like they complained about each other, but then they tried to compensate for each other's absence.

Michele

[michelej1]

The closest (which is not a lot) would be those backstage videos from the Rumours era and this part with Lindsey not wanting to do an interview and Christine goes "it's only 8 o'clock in the morning. it's not like it's f***ing midnight" or somthing like that. If any bickering did happen at some point, that would most likely be behind the scenes.

Well, there's the video where he is going out to have French food. She is not saying anything to him, although she would like to go. She doesn't think it's fair that he is leaving and she has to stay. She whines to Mick instead. She doesn't say anything to Lindsey.

Michele

[michelej1]

yes and yes.

about EP, i don't know. i kinda hate it that LB went back to the formula there, but i really don't understand how all the people who seem to be so fond of FM formula dislike it so much.

Well, it's probably because the tastes of FM fans is not as generic as you think it is. I don't think there's anyone sitting around saying, "Wow, I am so fond of FM formula!" There's a complexity to the good FM music that was not found in the EP, but I quite liked the EP and am glad to have it.

Michele

[michelej1]

Nobody confronts or stands up to LB because they're probably worried hell pull the same stunt again that he pulled in '87.

But he didn't pull a stunt in 1987. It's not like he said, "I'm not getting my way, so I'm leaving." He didn't take his ball and go home petulantly. He helped them make a pretty good album and then he left for 10 years, not because he didn't get his way, but because the band dynamics had become emotionally destructive for everyone -- well, at least Mick, Stevie and Lindsey. I don't know if John and Christine were hurting or not. But the other 3 were.

Michele

[HomerMcvie]

Yes I know some one exactly like that. Its REALLY hard work standing up to them. It can be done, but it takes so much energy you think is it worth it? I tend to try and avoid this person.

That's exactly how I feel about this guy. He just wears you down, with the constant arguing of why he's right....ugh!:lol:

[michelej1]

That's exactly how I feel about this guy. He just wears you down, with the constant arguing of why he's right....ugh!:lol:

I don't think Lindsey ever had a dearth of people to argue with. Stevie says that if he thought the sky was blue, she would be sure it was gray and she argued with him constantly by everyone's account, including her own. The only reason she didn't win those arguments is that people tended to think she was irrational and didn't agree with her over Lindsey.

The lone example people have of Christine supposedly standing up to Lindsey is throwing a drink at him, but Stevie says that all of them were running after Lindsey to kill him. Christine just got there first. It's not like no one else challenged Lindsey or made him do thing he didn't want to do.

Michele

[aleuzzi]

I don't think Lindsey ever had a dearth of people to argue with. Stevie says that if he thought the sky was blue, she would be sure it was gray and she argued with him constantly by everyone's account, including her own. The only reason she didn't win those arguments is that people tended to think she was irrational and didn't agree with her over Lindsey.

The lone example people have of Christine supposedly standing up to Lindsey is throwing a drink at him, but Stevie says that all of them were running after Lindsey to kill him. Christine just got there first. It's not like no one else challenged Lindsey or made him do thing he didn't want to do.

Michele

John also stood up to him in the beginning. But by the time Rumours was being recorded, it was clear Lindsey wanted to call a lot of the shots. His re-recording the bass parts on Second Hand News is an example.

But by all accounts Christine worked right alongside him on all five of those studio albums. And there's footage in the Tusk doc that shows her coming up with vocal harmony ideas with Lindsey and him saying "I think we have something there."

If he took the lead and made final decisions, there's no doubt that Christine had significant creative input on most of the songs (excepting a handful of Lindsey's Tusk tunes). Those block vocal harmonies on You Make Loving Fun sound a hell of a lot like Christine's overdubbed harmonies on Hypntized and the title tune to Heroes. Some of the ideas people often credit to Lindsey appear to have been worked out before he joined the group.

[michelej1]

If he took the lead and made final decisions, there's no doubt that Christine had significant creative input on most of the songs (excepting a handful of Lindsey's Tusk tunes). Those block vocal harmonies on You Make Loving Fun sound a hell of a lot like Christine's overdubbed harmonies on Hypntized and the title tune to Heroes. Some of the ideas people often credit to Lindsey appear to have been worked out before he joined the group.

Ken discusses Christine's work on YMLF in his book and said that after they laid down the basics as a group, Christine started working on adding clav and detail before Lindsey got into the studio one day and when he arrived and Lindsey heard what she'd done, "he was really proud of her," listened and promptly had some marijuana.

Michele

[ironman_01701]

All Smiles
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s379/ironman_01701/Christine%20McVie%20London%202013/SmilingChristineMcVieLondonShow_zps95039109.jpg
Focusing on her Panio
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s379/ironman_01701/Christine%20McVie%20London%202013/ChristineMcViePanioFocusLondonShow_zps82517ab0.jpg
Stevie greets Chris
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s379/ironman_01701/Christine%20McVie%20London%202013/ChristineMcVieappearsontheLondonShow_zps00d27dfc.jpg
Hugging Chris
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s379/ironman_01701/Christine%20McVie%20London%202013/hug_zps1a3ce155.jpg
Lindsey Gets a Hug Also
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s379/ironman_01701/Christine%20McVie%20London%202013/LynseyHug1_zps98c5c90a.jpg

[applebucked]

The first one is my favorite. <33333

The "Hugging Chris" one is my edit, actually. :laugh: I made a mix dedicated to Stevie and Chris and made that as the sort of cover.

[MoonSister75]

I only just found these new pics. I love the second one. Its a very natural shot, at the keyboard where she belongs <3

[David]

John also stood up to him in the beginning. But by the time Rumours was being recorded, it was clear Lindsey wanted to call a lot of the shots. His re-recording the bass parts on Second Hand News is an example. Really?! You mean the bass on that song on the album is Lindsey?

[michelej1]

Really?! You mean the bass on that song on the album is Lindsey?

John would not agree with that.

Michele

[elle]

some Buckingham/Perfect crops (from Michele's photos) -

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i399/ellellew/BP_zps3e2a68a7.jpg (http://s1091.photobucket.com/user/ellellew/media/BP_zps3e2a68a7.jpg.html)

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i399/ellellew/IMG_0365_zps993169dc.jpg (http://s1091.photobucket.com/user/ellellew/media/IMG_0365_zps993169dc.jpg.html)

[jbrownsjr]

some Buckingham/Perfect crops (from Michele's photos) -

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i399/ellellew/BP_zps3e2a68a7.jpg (http://s1091.photobucket.com/user/ellellew/media/BP_zps3e2a68a7.jpg.html)

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i399/ellellew/IMG_0365_zps993169dc.jpg (http://s1091.photobucket.com/user/ellellew/media/IMG_0365_zps993169dc.jpg.html)

Hold me!! HOld meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[elle]

Hold me!! HOld meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

:lol: perfect caption!