Definitive Fleetwood Mac Song Contest (1970-1974): Official Thread

[applebucked]

This are the songs that are officially released during 1970-1974. There are 63 songs that are officially released all in all. The goal is to trim this era down into 36 songs, or equivalent to a double disc set. Kindly look over the list of songs. If there are any additions or changes, feel free to let me know.


Since the house is divided based on feedback, I decided that the polls will decide which songs should not be included in the set.
Polls are to be done in chronological order.
Two polls for Kiln House, Bare Trees, Mystery to Me and Heroes are Hard to Find since there are more than 10 songs for those eras.
Polls are multiple choice.
Songs must get at least 50% of the vote to be eliminated.


List of Songs
***Songs that are eliminated are to be highlighted in red.***

Kiln House (1970)
Poll #1: This Is the Rock; Station Man; Blood on the Floor; Hi Ho Silver; Jewel Eyed Judy; Buddy's Song
Poll #2: Earl Gray; One Together; Tell Me All the Things You Do; Mission Bell; Dragonfly; The Purple Dancer

Future Games (1971)
Poll #3: Woman of 1000 Years; Morning Rain; What a Shame; Future Games; Sands of Time; Sometimes; Lay It All Down; Show Me A Smile

Bare Trees (1972)
Poll #4: Child of Mine; The Ghost; Homeward Bound; Sunny Side of Heaven; Bare Trees; Sentimental Lady
Poll #5: Danny's Chant; Spare Me A Little; Dust; Thoughts on a Grey Day; Trinity

Penguin (1973)
Poll #6: Remember Me; Bright Fire; Dissatisfied; (I'm a) Road Runner; The Derelict; Revelation; Did You Ever Love Me; Night Watch; Caught in the Rain

Mystery to Me (1973)
Poll #7: Emerald Eyes; Believe Me; Just Crazy Love; Hypnotized; Forever; Keep on Going
Poll #8: The City; Miles Away; Somebody; The Way I Feel; For Your Love; Why

Heroes are Hard to Find (1974)
Poll #9: Heroes are Hard to Find; Coming Home; Angel; Bermuda Triangle; Come a Little Bit Closer; She's Changing Me
Poll #10: Bad Loser; Silver Heels; Prove Your Love; Born Enchanter; Safe Harbour

[GJK]

'Thoughts on a Grey Day' isn't a Fleetwood Mac song. It's a poem, read by an old lady.

GJK

[applebucked]

'Thoughts on a Grey Day' isn't a Fleetwood Mac song. It's a poem, read by an old lady.

GJK
But it is part of a Fleetwood Mac album (for some reason).

[MacShadowsBall]

Yeah, Thoughts on a Grey Day needs to be included. Most likely it will "win" and not be included in the final set of songs.

Looks good how you got it set up. Just remind everybody to vote for the songs they believe are not definitive and shouldn't be on the set. :cool:

[applebucked]

Thanks. I've already posted the first poll.

[nicepace]

I really wish I'd seen this thread before you posted the first poll, because I think voting against songs is creepy and weird. I really don't like this format, at all. The positive voting method worked great when we were doing the Christine voting, and it was fun. I don't see why there is any need to change it. Plus it's confusing; I almost guarantee some voters won't read the rules. Oh, well. I guess I just won't participate in this poll.

[MacShadowsBall]

I guess I can see both sides of the issue. Voting for the "bad" ones is more negative and gives the focus to those "bad" songs. Whereas, voting for the "good" ones is more positive and gives the focus to those "good" songs. Remember too, nicepace applebucked's set will be a 2-disc set with about 36 songs, only eliminating 27 or so songs.

I plan to participate, though I wish these songs were available on amazon/spotify and more available. :cool:

[nicepace]

I just can't bring myself to vote "against" a song. There are very few (if any) songs in this era of the band that I dislike enough that I would actually enjoy voting against them. I enjoy casting a positive vote - not a negative one. Oh well, that's just me. I don't have to play if I don't like the rules.

[applebucked]

I just can't bring myself to vote "against" a song. There are very few (if any) songs in this era of the band that I dislike enough that I would actually enjoy voting against them. I enjoy casting a positive vote - not a negative one. Oh well, that's just me. I don't have to play if I don't like the rules.
I wanted to do the "positive" voting for this as much as you do, but based on the feedback with all of the people posting their lists on the other thread about pitching the idea, a "positive" poll will likely not lead to anything substantial as the lists are so scattered (with a few exceptions). But again, it's your choice.

And if this makes you feel any better, if there are more songs that made the cut you can participate in the second round (which is a "positive" kind of vote). :cool:

[applebucked]

Since I can't edit the OP anymore, here are the results so far. Eliminated ones in red, while those who got at least 40% are in blue:

Kiln House (1970)
Poll #1: This Is the Rock; Station Man; Blood on the Floor; Hi Ho Silver; Jewel Eyed Judy; Buddy's Song
Poll #2: Earl Gray; One Together; Tell Me All the Things You Do; Mission Bell; Dragonfly; The Purple Dancer

Future Games (1971)
Poll #3: Woman of 1000 Years; Morning Rain; What a Shame; Future Games; Sands of Time; Sometimes; Lay It All Down; Show Me A Smile

Bare Trees (1972)
Poll #4: Child of Mine; The Ghost; Homeward Bound; Sunny Side of Heaven; Bare Trees; Sentimental Lady
Poll #5: Danny's Chant; Spare Me A Little; Dust; Thoughts on a Grey Day; Trinity

Penguin (1973)
Poll #6: Remember Me; Bright Fire; Dissatisfied; (I'm a) Road Runner; The Derelict; Revelation; Did You Ever Love Me; Night Watch; Caught in the Rain

Mystery to Me (1973)
Poll #7: Emerald Eyes; Believe Me; Just Crazy Love; Hypnotized; Forever; Keep on Going
Poll #8: The City; Miles Away; Somebody; The Way I Feel; For Your Love; Why

Heroes are Hard to Find (1974)
Poll #9: Heroes are Hard to Find; Coming Home; Angel; Bermuda Triangle; Come a Little Bit Closer; She's Changing Me
Poll #10: Bad Loser; Silver Heels; Prove Your Love; Born Enchanter; Safe Harbour

[MacShadowsBall]

So far not many songs are being eliminated. Of course we got the everybody's favorite album coming later on - Penguin! :cool:

[applebucked]

So far not many songs are being eliminated. Of course we got the everybody's favorite album coming later on - Penguin! :cool:
There are lots of 40-something percents, however (3 from Kiln House, 2 from Future Games, possibly another one from Bare Trees). I'll most likely do another poll for those songs before Round 2.

[applebucked]

Updated list:

Kiln House (1970)
Poll #1: This Is the Rock; Station Man; Blood on the Floor; Hi Ho Silver; Jewel Eyed Judy; Buddy's Song
Poll #2: Earl Gray; One Together; Tell Me All the Things You Do; Mission Bell; Dragonfly; The Purple Dancer

Future Games (1971)
Poll #3: Woman of 1000 Years; Morning Rain; What a Shame; Future Games; Sands of Time; Sometimes; Lay It All Down; Show Me A Smile

Bare Trees (1972)
Poll #4: Child of Mine; The Ghost; Homeward Bound; Sunny Side of Heaven; Bare Trees; Sentimental Lady
Poll #5: Danny's Chant; Spare Me A Little; Dust; Thoughts on a Grey Day; Trinity

Penguin (1973)
Poll #6: Remember Me; Bright Fire; Dissatisfied; (I'm a) Road Runner; The Derelict; Revelation; Did You Ever Love Me; Night Watch; Caught in the Rain

Mystery to Me (1973)
Poll #7: Emerald Eyes; Believe Me; Just Crazy Love; Hypnotized; Forever; Keep on Going
Poll #8: The City; Miles Away; Somebody; The Way I Feel; For Your Love; Why

Heroes are Hard to Find (1974)
Poll #9: Heroes are Hard to Find; Coming Home; Angel; Bermuda Triangle; Come a Little Bit Closer; She's Changing Me
Poll #10: Bad Loser; Silver Heels; Prove Your Love; Born Enchanter; Safe Harbour

[applebucked]

Although it's too early to tell, based on the results from the final poll (Heroes, pt. 2) so far, 26 songs will be eliminated if we include all the 40%-49% songs (the songs indicated in blue) among those to be taken out. Should they be included among those removed?

[applebucked]

Final Results for Round 1:

Kiln House (1970)
Poll #1: This Is the Rock; Station Man; Blood on the Floor; Hi Ho Silver; Jewel Eyed Judy; Buddy's Song
Poll #2: Earl Gray; One Together; Tell Me All the Things You Do; Mission Bell; Dragonfly; The Purple Dancer

Future Games (1971)
Poll #3: Woman of 1000 Years; Morning Rain; What a Shame; Future Games; Sands of Time; Sometimes; Lay It All Down; Show Me A Smile

Bare Trees (1972)
Poll #4: Child of Mine; The Ghost; Homeward Bound; Sunny Side of Heaven; Bare Trees; Sentimental Lady
Poll #5: Danny's Chant; Spare Me A Little; Dust; Thoughts on a Grey Day; Trinity

Penguin (1973)
Poll #6: Remember Me; Bright Fire; Dissatisfied; (I'm a) Road Runner; The Derelict; Revelation; Did You Ever Love Me; Night Watch; Caught in the Rain

Mystery to Me (1973)
Poll #7: Emerald Eyes; Believe Me; Just Crazy Love; Hypnotized; Forever; Keep on Going
Poll #8: The City; Miles Away; Somebody; The Way I Feel; For Your Love; Why

Heroes are Hard to Find (1974)
Poll #9: Heroes are Hard to Find; Coming Home; Angel; Bermuda Triangle; Come a Little Bit Closer; She's Changing Me
Poll #10: Bad Loser; Silver Heels; Prove Your Love; Born Enchanter; Safe Harbour

[applebucked]

So here's the thing, if we also eliminate those that got at least 40% (indicated in blue), we will remove 25 songs out of the list. This means we still need to eliminate two songs out to round out the double disc set. For this we have three options:

1. We all give out two songs that we think shouldn't be part of the set, I'll set up a poll and eliminate the top 2 most number of votes
2. Same as #1, but instead of choosing which songs to be eliminated, I'll get all those which have at least 35% of votes and use it as the choices, which are as follows:

Bare Trees
Bright Fire
Revelation
Caught in the Rain
Just Crazy Love
Born Enchanter

3. The list remains as is and we keep all 38 songs, or 19 songs each disc.

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For Round 2, the plan is we are going to vote on which songs should be included in the first disc of the set, aka the sort of "basic listening necessities" for this era. For this round, we will choose songs that should be there, as opposed to round 1.

Assuming that we keep all 38 songs, the setup will be as follows:

Kiln House (1970)
Poll #1: Station Man; Hi Ho Silver; Jewel Eyed Judy; Tell Me All the Things You Do; Dragonfly; The Purple Dancer

Future Games (1971)
Poll #2 Woman of 1000 Years; Morning Rain; Future Games; Sands of Time; Show Me A Smile

Bare Trees (1972)
Poll #3: Homeward Bound; Sunny Side of Heaven; Bare Trees; Sentimental Lady; Spare Me A Little; Dust

Penguin (1973)
Poll #4: Remember Me; Bright Fire; Dissatisfied; Revelation; Did You Ever Love Me; Night Watch; Caught in the Rain

Mystery to Me (1973)
Poll #5: Emerald Eyes; Believe Me; Just Crazy Love; Hypnotized; Keep on Going; Miles Away; Why

Heroes are Hard to Find (1974)
Poll #6: Heroes are Hard to Find; Angel; Bermuda Triangle; Come a Little Bit Closer; Bad Loser; Prove Your Love; Born Enchanter

[MacShadowsBall]

Hey, applebucked! :wavey:

Well, Welch's songs took a hit from Mystery to Me and Heroes albums. :shrug:

I would go with either option #1 or 2. Keep the final set to 36 songs. Those in blue can go on ahead and be eliminated as well. This leaves just 2 songs left to be voted off the set. Welch's songs run kinda long so 18 songs per disc is already pushing it. :cool:

[I'msoAfraid95]

I'd keep the 38 songs as is. Nineteen songs on each cd isn't too much, imo.

[applebucked]

Honestly, I'm still torn with what to do with the songs. I want to remove two songs there because they won't fit in one disc otherwise, but at the same time, it's hard deciding which ones to part with (and what happens if a tie happens).

Anyone else with thoughts on the matter?

[I'msoAfraid95]

Honestly, I'm still torn with what to do with the songs. I want to remove two songs there because they won't fit in one disc otherwise, but at the same time, it's hard deciding which ones to part with (and what happens if a tie happens).

Anyone else with thoughts on the matter?

I've seen and own a single disc with 20 songs on it,( Creedence Clearwater Revival - Chronicle: The 20 Greatest Hits ) so they'll fit.

[wetcamelfood]

I've seen and own a single disc with 20 songs on it,( Creedence Clearwater Revival - Chronicle: The 20 Greatest Hits ) so they'll fit.

Edited Suzie Q. :)

John

[applebucked]

After a lot of deliberation, I've decided to just leave the 38 songs as is. The first poll will be posted shortly.

[applebucked]

Round 2, so far (those that got at least 50% in green, at least 40% in blue)

Kiln House (1970)
Poll #1: Station Man; Hi Ho Silver; Jewel Eyed Judy; Tell Me All the Things You Do; Dragonfly; The Purple Dancer

Future Games (1971)
Poll #2 Woman of 1000 Years; Morning Rain; Future Games; Sands of Time; Show Me A Smile

Bare Trees (1972)
Poll #3: Homeward Bound; Sunny Side of Heaven; Bare Trees; Sentimental Lady; Spare Me A Little; Dust

Penguin (1973)
Poll #4: Remember Me; Bright Fire; Dissatisfied; Revelation; Did You Ever Love Me; Night Watch; Caught in the Rain

Mystery to Me (1973)
Poll #5: Emerald Eyes; Believe Me; Just Crazy Love; Hypnotized; Keep on Going; Miles Away; Why

Heroes are Hard to Find (1974)
Poll #6: Heroes are Hard to Find; Angel; Bermuda Triangle; Come a Little Bit Closer; Bad Loser; Prove Your Love; Born Enchanter

[applebucked]

I'm actually shocked Dragonfly didn't make 50%, but depending on the results of the other polls, I can either use that to fill the gap (if less than 18 songs made it), or swap it with one song (if we get 18 songs) because I think it should be part of the "basic necessities", and I'm sure a lot would agree.

[MacShadowsBall]

If I'd remember to get on the Ledge, I would have most definitely voted for Dragonfly.

Sometimes the songs that people talk about so much when push comes to shove, don't win polls like this and others done. :cool:

[GJK]

Nineteen songs on each cd isn't too much, imo.

That depends on the total length of the songs combined of course (doe kounavvel). I was blessed with the gift of being able to calculate and did a bit of adding up, using my Excel file of FM songs.

The first 18 songs (Station man - Remember me) brings us to 79 minutes and 33 seconds, not including the necessary 'spaces' between each song.
The remainder (Bright fire - Born enchanter) will take 80 minutes and 57 seconds (again, without the 1-2 seconds of compulsary 'dead air').
The total 'available length' on a CD is just under 80 minutes.

So, if we edit out the boring, repetitive part of 'Future games' (which starts at about 6:00), the first CD isn't really a problem.

For the second CD, only 'Night watch' is a long song (6:16). 'Caught in the rain' (2:41) and 'Born enchanter' (2:53) are the shortest; the remaining 17 songs are between 3:21 and 4:56. However, only one song has to go but in that case, Dave Walker's contributions to FM will be totally disregarded, i.e. 'The derelict' has to be included.

This means that one Christine McVie song AND one Bob Welch tune will have to go.

Merry Christmas!

GJK

PS: 'The purple dancer' obviously cannot be excluded form this double CD (which will never be released, of course).

[wetcamelfood]

if we edit out the boring, repetitive part of 'Future games' (which starts at about 6:00), the first CD isn't really a problem

Aw, that's my favorite part! :)

John

[applebucked]

Round 2, so far (those that got at least 50% in green, at least 40% in blue)

Kiln House (1970)
Poll #1: Station Man; Hi Ho Silver; Jewel Eyed Judy; Tell Me All the Things You Do; Dragonfly; The Purple Dancer

Future Games (1971)
Poll #2 Woman of 1000 Years; Morning Rain; Future Games; Sands of Time; Show Me A Smile

Bare Trees (1972)
Poll #3: Homeward Bound; Sunny Side of Heaven; Bare Trees; Sentimental Lady; Spare Me A Little; Dust

Penguin (1973)
Poll #4: Remember Me; Bright Fire; Dissatisfied; Revelation; Did You Ever Love Me; Night Watch; Caught in the Rain

Mystery to Me (1973)
Poll #5: Emerald Eyes; Believe Me; Just Crazy Love; Hypnotized; Keep on Going; Miles Away; Why

Heroes are Hard to Find (1974)
Poll #6: Heroes are Hard to Find; Angel; Bermuda Triangle; Come a Little Bit Closer; Bad Loser; Prove Your Love; Born Enchanter

[applebucked]

Thank you everyone for participating on the polls All the Round 2 polls have finished, and we currently have 17 songs on the first half:


Station Man (from Kiln House, 1970)
Jewel Eyed Judy (from Kiln House, 1970)
Woman of 1000 Years (from Future Games, 1971)
Future Games (from Future Games, 1971)
Show Me A Smile (from Future Games, 1971)
Sentimental Lady (from Bare Trees, 1972)
Spare Me A Little (from Bare Trees, 1972)
Dust (from Bare Trees, 1973)
Remember Me (from Penguin, 1973)
Did You Ever Love Me (from Penguin, 1973)
Emerald Eyes (from Mystery to Me, 1973)
Hypnotized (from Mystery to Me, 1973)
Why (from Mystery to Me, 1973)
Heroes are Hard to Find (from Heroes are Hard to Find, 1974)
Angel (from Heroes are Hard to Find, 1974)
Bermuda Triangle (from Heroes are Hard to Find, 1974)
Come A Little Bit Closer (from Heroes are Hard to Find, 1974)

Since there is room for two more songs, what I'm planning is to include Dragonfly (which IMO, should've advanced in the polls), then vote one song among the other songs that got at least 40% in Round 2.

These are the songs that made 40% (except for Dragonfly)

Tell Me All the Things You Do
Sunny Side of Heaven
Keep on Going
Miles Away
Prove Your Love
Bad Loser

Thoughts?

[GJK]

Great, another album with old stuff but no 'Purple Dancer'...

GJK

[applebucked]

Great, another album with old stuff but no 'Purple Dancer'...

GJK
The Purple Dancer IS going to be on the second half of the set. :) The songs on this set is just the first half. There are 38 songs all in all.

[GJK]

The Purple Dancer IS going to be on the second half of the set. :) The songs on this set is just the first half. There are 38 songs all in all.

The best news I've had this year!

GJK

[moon]

Easy for me:

Sunny-Side-Of-Heaven

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