Stevie on Tusk, April 1980

[michelej1]

We had been talking about Stevie's NTF comments. Here is what she said about other songs in that same interview.


"If Lindsey had his way we'd be back to the garage anyway with nothing but garbage cans and worse yet full of garbage and four track recorders so he's very in to that [the Clash sound]. I personally, myself, don't want to go back and use garbage cans. I personally like the new recording technique cause I like to sound good and I like to sit and listen to it so I'm not really into it. But I like some of ths stuff that some of those new bands are doing and long as it sounds like funky old rock and roll, I like it. As soon as it starts to sound like Mars I don't like it."


"A lot of the new music I don't understand, because I write country songs and love songs and miserable ballads and I don't understand sci-fi music and I don't want to understand it. Because if I want to have somebody over and I want to put some wonderful music on, I am not going to put on Devo. Because it is not my kind of evening. Velvet is out and yellow plastic suits are in and I don't have any."


The Ledge: "I can't even explain it to you. He recorded it in his kitchen. A lot of his stuff was recorded in the kitchen. But he wanted to do his thing and he did it. But its very interesting and its good. I love it. It took me awhile to understand it and I know him well, but now I understand it and its real different."


What Makes You Think You're the One: "It was so raucous that the first time I listened to it, I just sat there in the studio going 'I wasn't on it, I wasn't there, I didn't sing on it, I don't know the song, I don't understand the words, I don't understand the music, and yet its going to be on my album'. It was very strange."

Tusk's Reception: "This time people are going to say a lot of great things and a lot of ****ty things. He wanted to be alone. He wanted to do his vocals alone. He didn't want any of us gawking through the window at him or me dancing in the background or twirling my baton. He just put a big note on the door saying 'Out' and he would call you if he needed your services."

That's Enough for Me: "It has been that's enough for me all through the album. I like it now, its raucous too. Christine hates it. She will very laughingly look Lindsey straight in the eyes and say, 'I hate that song' and we all just die laughing because Christine can say it. She's the one person that can walk in and say 'You look so bad today, you should go home' and you won't feel bad, you'll just go home and change and come back. But she can do it. She is the one person that go up to any of us and tell us that she thinks that we are doing is totally out of base. Christine has accepted it. She says she will have nothing to do with it on stage. We'll all go have a drink."

"We decided one time we were going to pick a billboard out and put 'we Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie have nothing to do with the following songs on Tusk.' And then also in parenthesis, 'We also do not like the name Tusk in the album.' We thought it was very much like hardcore!"

[applebucked]

Thanks! Love her comments on how she and Chris wanted nothing to do with Tusk. :laugh: Could imagine Lindsey calling them for "room service".

Do you happen to have a link to the entire thing>

[CADreaming]

These are fantastic!!! :laugh:

Thanks Michele!

[elle]

What Makes You Think You're the One: "It was so raucous that the first time I listened to it, I just sat there in the studio going 'I wasn't on it, I wasn't there, I didn't sing on it, I don't know the song, I don't understand the words, I don't understand the music, and yet its going to be on my album'. It was very strange."

i always loved this quote. considering how clear and literal those lyrics are, either she was completely out-of-it high, or she was playing dumb. but that tells you how believable SN's explanations of LB's song lyrics are. :laugh:

[vivfox]

This cool Tusk photo just appeared on facebook yesterday:

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[iamnotafraid]

That's Enough for Me: Christine hates it. She will very laughingly look Lindsey straight in the eyes and say, 'I hate that song. She says she will have nothing to do with it on stage. We'll all go have a drink."


If I were Lindsey and knew that to be true,
I'd make sure that song was in the setlist
when Christine attends one of the upcoming
shows.

[Ulpian]

If I were Lindsey and knew that to be true,
I'd make sure that song was in the setlist
when Christine attends one of the upcoming
shows.

I hope he does! I rarely have a good excuse for a bathroom break at their gigs...

[elle]

I hope he does! I rarely have a good excuse for a bathroom break at their gigs...

you don't like That's Enough For Me?

[Ulpian]

you don't like That's Enough For Me?

Most of Lindsey's Tusk songs are beyond me, I'm afraid.

[Deeshere]

I pulled your quote from the previous thread Michele about the line in "Not that Funny" that says " Your hear cause I say so"

Stevie said that about NTF in April 1980, for the Australian interview. Regarding, you're here cause I say so.

Quote:
"The girls don't like that line. That's not a big line with the women here in America, but its ok because that's how he feels. To whom he is speaking to, it is true. I think that in this song that Lindsey is being very honest that he's angry and he's talking about some real kind of air relationships. I like to hear him talk about things because he's not a talker and he doesn't like to expound. He just figures either you understand or you're stupid."


I think Stevie is talking about herself (not CAH) and is being honest and acknowledging (though not specifically naming herself) that the line (and song) is about her and that Lindsey brought her into Fleetwood Mac.


Here's what Lindsey said in The Sydney Morning Herald, February 18, 2004

"You know, he (Mick) asked me to join the group first," says Buckingham. "He didn't ask Stevie. But I said, 'We're kind of a package deal.' I like to remind Stevie of that now and then."

[iamnotafraid]

"I like to remind Stevie of that now and then."


I'd be curious to know if he really said that line.

[urbanscot]

Thank you. Interesting quotes. Loved the Christine part.

[goldustsongbird]

This cool Tusk photo just appeared on facebook yesterday:

<a href="http://s220.photobucket.com/user/cielosharon/media/1235928_632219380145556_1300526868_n_zpsa4171722.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd169/cielosharon/1235928_632219380145556_1300526868_n_zpsa4171722.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 1235928_632219380145556_1300526868_n_zpsa4171722.jpg"/></a>

I love the little Strega Nona from the Tusk doc, and framed pics in the background.

[michelej1]

"You know, he (Mick) asked me to join the group first," says Buckingham. "He didn't ask Stevie. But I said, 'We're kind of a package deal.' I like to remind Stevie of that now and then."[/B]

Yes, Stevie is well aware that she wasn't supposed to be in the band. They've talked about that for years and made it the showcase of the current tour, but I don't think Stevie is talking about herself in that quote. I think she calls it an air relationship because she is criticizing the authenticity and depth of Lindsey and CAH's feelings and commitment.

Michele

[bombaysaffires]

wtf is an "air relationship". That sentence doesn't even make sense. Not even if you're Bob Dylan.

And Lindsey very much liked to remind Stevie that she was only in FM because he had insisted that he would only join if they took her too. It's part of why when she eventually became more famous (infamous) than he, it burned his butt big time. He admits this now.

[michelej1]

I'd be curious to know if he really said that line.

Maybe, but Keith paved the way. Keith told Mick that. Of course, in the past when they left Fritz Stevie said that the record company knew that they could not get Lindsey without her. So, I think it's something that people knew about Lindsey for a long time.

Michele

[vivfox]

Yes, Stevie is well aware that she wasn't supposed to be in the band.


No good deed goes unpunished, Lindsey might have thought over the years.

[iamnotafraid]

Maybe, but Keith paved the way. Keith told Mick that. Of course, in the past when they left Fritz Stevie said that the record company knew that they could not get Lindsey without her. So, I think it's something that people knew about Lindsey for a long time.

Michele


I meant did he actually say that at the time (Feb. 2004).

[applebucked]

Either way, Lindsey sure is paying the price now. :laugh:

[michelej1]

I'd be curious to know if he really said that line.

I think I saw him laugh and say that on Charlie Rose too in 2003 or 2004, so I would bet he did.

Michele

[michelej1]

wtf is an "air relationship". That sentence doesn't even make sense. Not even if you're Bob Dylan.

And Lindsey very much liked to remind Stevie that she was only in FM because he had insisted that he would only join if they took her too. It's part of why when she eventually became more famous (infamous) than he, it burned his butt big time. He admits this now.

He admits her fame was hard professionally and took her away from him personally, but doesn't say it bothered him because she wasn't supposed to be in the band. I don't think he ever wonders what would have happened if he didn't bring her. He seems to wonder what would have happened if they both never joined. Michele

[aleuzzi]

Well, whatever his feelings--regrets or otherwise--"his" decision to include Stevie as a package deal was great for the band. Most people wouldn't care about Fleetwood Mac if those five people didn't work together. You need all of them. By 1979, hell by 1976, Sevie was not "here coz I say so" a la Buckingham. She was there because she was a vital part of the group.

[Deeshere]

I meant did he actually say that at the time (Feb. 2004).

Honey, you will learn I don't make things up. The only thing I added to that quote was the Mick in parenthesis, so the casual reader would know who Lindsey was talking about..Here's the actual article you can read it for yourself.

Michele, I just realized there's a piece of this article that talks about what you said too. That Lindsey sometimes thinks about what life would be like if he had not joined Fleetwood Mac (and you know if Lindsey had not join Fleetwood Mac, Stevie would not have joined either ;)) I think you are right about Lindsey not saying that he just wished Stevie had not joined the band, he's always said he wished that neither of them joined. You know it all goes with the whole Stevie quote heard around the world "but Lindsey always blamed Fleetwood Mac for the loss of ME) `

Now why would a man that's happy married still continue to wonder how his life might have turned out if he and his ex (of about 28 years at the time this was written) had not joined a band, but instead had gone back to San Francisco, maybe gotten married and possibly had a few kids together???? Hmm, weird?



Tomorrow's almost here

Fleetwood Mac guitarist Lindsey Buckingham wants to
stop thinking about yesterday, reports Richard Jinman.

The Sydney Morning Herald
February 18, 2004

He looks, in the old photographs, like the ultimate poster boy for breezy, spritzer-sipping Californian rock: white suits, silk shirts slashed to the waist and a halo of curls big enough to accommodate nesting birds.

Twenty-seven years ago, Lindsey Buckingham was a bona fide soft-rock god and he looked the part. He'd joined Fleetwood Mac as a guitarist in 1975 and two years later the release of Rumours - the band's era-defining, 25-million-plus unit-shifting album - catapulted him into the stadium league. Buckingham found himself strapped to one of pop's biggest rockets as it blazed a spectacular, if wildly dysfunctional, course across the musical firmament. Regrets? He has a few.

"Left to my own devices, I would much rather have been in a band like the Clash," says Buckingham.

The Clash? It's hard to imagine Buckingham sporting a Mohican and cranking out a three-chord punk anthem such as London Calling.

"Well, just a band that had a little more of an experimental sensibility," says the guitarist, who was born into a middle-class family in Palo Alto, California, in 1949. "Just because Rumours sold what it sold doesn't mean I had complete regard for it as a work." What's wrong with it?

"The femaleness of it. The lightness of it. You might say it's overly poppy in parts. It's ironic that the truthfulness of what we were saying in the songs was represented in a very glossy way. I wasn't directly influenced by punk, but it did remind me of some of the reservations I had about Rumours and what was important."

Buckingham, a guitarist renowned for his fluid, elegant finger style on both electric and acoustic guitar, isn't being ungrateful about the album that made him rich. He's convinced, however, that the stratospheric sales of Rumours was partly due to the public's fascination with the soap opera that created it.

Let's recap. Fuelled by industrial quantities of cocaine, Rumours was recorded during a period drummer Mick Fleetwood has described as an "emotional holocaust". After seven years as lovers and collaborators, Buckingham and singer Stephanie "Stevie" Nicks had gone through a bitter break-up. The marriage of singer-pianist Christine McVie and bass player John McVie was over and Fleetwood was in the middle of a messy divorce. The band's three principal songwriters - Buckingham, Nicks and Christine McVie - turned their misery into songs and the result, improbably, was a middle-of-the-road masterpiece.

The success of Rumours earned Fleetwood Mac a blank cheque when they returned to the studio. They took full advantage: their 1979 double album Tusk was, at the time, the most expensive disc recorded.

They held it all together until 1987's Tango in the Night album, at which point Buckingham was itching to pursue solo projects and flatly refused to tour. The decision led to a "physically ugly" scene with Nicks and Buckingham quit the band in acrimonious circumstances.

Now, Fleetwood Mac's class of '77 are back together, save Christine McVie, who nowadays lives a quiet life in rural England and has no interest in touring. McVie wrote Don't Stop and You Make Loving Fun, two of the songs from Rumours that became enormous hits. Buckingham insists the band isn't diminished by her absence.

"We could play her songs [Don't Stop is the only McVie composition in Fleetwood Mac's set list], but there's no reason," he says. "We have a much ballsier show going now and we're playing better than ever.

"Everyone wishes her well, but none of us saw it as a problem that she wasn't there during the recording of the album." He's referring to Say You Will, a collection of songs written for the most part by Nicks and Buckingham. It has received warm reviews, but no one is pretending the fans packing out the current tour are paying hundreds of dollars each to hear the new stuff.

Buckingham says he's happy to be back with the old firm. Time has healed old wounds and he claims he's better friends with Nicks than at any time in the past. That's a remarkable turnaround, considering the former lovers didn't speak for much of the '90s and in 1994 Nicks told Rolling Stone "I just bug him to death."

Buckingham says his life is very different nowadays. In 2000 he married his girlfriend, Kristen Messner, and the couple have a five-year-old son and a three-year-old daughter. Another baby is due in April. Buckingham has even torn down his bachelor pad in the plush LA suburb of Bel-Air and built a more family-friendly house. "[Family] puts me in a whole other thing," says Buckingham. "I have my own world, which isn't always Stevie's world."

Once in a while, Buckingham allows himself to ponder how his life might have turned out had he not joined Fleetwood Mac. He says he and Nicks were almost penniless when a chance meeting with Mick Fleetwood in a Los Angeles recording studio put them on the road to a world of packed stadiums and private jets.

"You know, he asked me to join the group first," says Buckingham. "He didn't ask Stevie. But I said, 'We're kind of a package deal.' I like to remind Stevie of that now and then."

Fleetwood Mac will perform at the Sydney Entertainment Centre on Saturday and Sunday.

[iamnotafraid]

I think I saw him laugh and say that on Charlie Rose too in 2003 or 2004, so I would bet he did.

Michele


The "laugh" made him able to say it, don't ya' think?

[iamnotafraid]

Honey, you will learn I don't make things up...

"You know, he asked me to join the group first," says Buckingham. "He didn't ask Stevie. But I said, 'We're kind of a package deal.' I like to remind Stevie of that now and then. She's learned over the years that I'm the talent in the band, she's just it's face"...


Honey or sugar, I'll answer to either - if you're female.

And I wasn't questioning if it had been written in an
article. I was questioning if he had actually said that.
Some people like to add a little bit here and there.

[bombaysaffires]

He admits her fame was hard professionally and took her away from him personally, but doesn't say it bothered him because she wasn't supposed to be in the band. I don't think he ever wonders what would have happened if he didn't bring her. He seems to wonder what would have happened if they both never joined. Michele

Yes, my point was that when she got more famous and then eventually more successful in her (solo) career it kinda pissed him off--- coz he always felt he was more talented or whatever. As Mick said, when Bella Donna did so well, Lindsey had to have had a long hard think about that....

[bombaysaffires]

]




Tomorrow's almost here

Fleetwood Mac guitarist Lindsey Buckingham wants to
stop thinking about yesterday, reports Richard Jinman.

The Sydney Morning Herald
February 18, 2004


"Just because Rumours sold what it sold doesn't mean I had complete regard for it as a work." What's wrong with it?

"The femaleness of it. The lightness of it. You might say it's overly poppy in parts. It's ironic that the truthfulness of what we were saying in the songs was represented in a very glossy way. I wasn't directly influenced by punk, but it did remind me of some of the reservations I had about Rumours and what was important."

Buckingham insists the band isn't diminished by her absence.
"We could play her songs [Don't Stop is the only McVie composition in Fleetwood Mac's set list], but there's no reason," he says. "We have a much ballsier show going now and we're playing better than ever.


Fleetwood Mac will perform at the Sydney Entertainment Centre on Saturday and Sunday.


wtf is his problem?

[michelej1]

The "laugh" made him able to say it, don't ya' think?

Well, he probably laughs because he teases her with it. I don't think he sees getting into FM as such a great thing that he has to hold it over her head seriously. The bigger coup for him was the power he had once they were actually IN and the band began to see him as one of the main reasons for their success. That gave him a lot of power as to the albums, which Stevie endlessly complained about. I think he enjoyed that power a lot more than he enjoyed being the one to get her or himself into FM. So, I don't think the "package deal" is a big triumph in his mind other than something that he genuinely laughs about -- not laughing to make the truth go down easier.

Before FM, Stevie is the one who says that the record company wanted him, not her when they left Fritz and I've never even heard him bring that up. I don't think it gives him lots of satisfaction to be able to say someone wanted a guitarist. I think if he wants to go na-na-na-na-na about something it would more be that he feels he has crafted their sound -- or at least the parts of their sound that he considers to be any good.

Michele

[michelej1]

And I wasn't questioning if it had been written in an
article. I was questioning if he had actually said that.
Some people like to add a little bit here and there.

Yes, they do. For instance, if we ever get confirmation from anyone other than Ken himself that Christine told him she loved his book and it made her passionate about music again :rolleyes:, I'll be very shocked.

Michele

[Deeshere]

Honey or sugar, I'll answer to either - if you're female.

And I wasn't questioning if it had been written in an
article. I was questioning if he had actually said that.
Some people like to add a little bit here and there.

Touchy, Touchy ;) OK, next time I will call you dude, so you know I am not trying to feminize you.

Also, It's OK if you question the quote. You don't' know anything about me, except for a screen name and a few post, and there are a lot of people that misquote a person or embellish quotes to help and prove their point. I just wanted you to know I am not one of them. I try to be as objective and realistic as possible

As to journalistic integrity, I agree many writers misquote whoever they are interviewing or sometimes even just make stuff up to add to their story, but I don't think the writer did that in this case because to me it sounds like something Lindsey would say (but who knows :shrug).

[Deeshere]

Well, he probably laughs because he teases her with it. I don't think he sees getting into FM as such a great thing that he has to hold it over her head seriously. The bigger coup for him was the power he had once they were actually IN and the band began to see him as one of the main reasons for their success. That gave him a lot of power as to the albums, which Stevie endlessly complained about. I think he enjoyed that power a lot more than he enjoyed being the one to get her or himself into FM. So, I don't think the "package deal" is a big triumph in his mind other than something that he genuinely laughs about -- not laughing to make the truth go down easier.

Before FM, Stevie is the one who says that the record company wanted him, not her when they left Fritz and I've never even heard him bring that up. I don't think it gives him lots of satisfaction to be able to say someone wanted a guitarist. I think if he wants to go na-na-na-na-na about something it would more be that he feels he has crafted their sound -- or at least the parts of their sound that he considers to be any good.

Michele

I think you are right about your assessment of Lindsey. The only thing I wanted to add was about the "package deal". Unfortunately for Lindsey it seems that a lot of things about Fleetwood Mac are a double edge sword and this is one of them. Lindsey clearly loved the Buckingham Nicks duo and saw them (and I believe still does see them) as a team. I think Lindsey is also proud of himself (and I think he should be) that he was loyal to their Buckingham Nicks duo and insisted to Mick that if they want him they had to take Stevie too.

It's kind of weird too if you think about it. Mick wanted Lindsey (without Stevie) to join the band, but it was Stevie that talked Lindsey into joining the band and Lindsey insisting to Mick that he and Stevie were a package deal that allowed her to join the band too. It's very much like the cyclical thing Lindsey always talks about.

[michelej1]

As to journalistic integrity, I agree many writers misquote whoever they are interviewing or sometimes even just make stuff up to add to their story, but I don't think the writer did that in this case because to me it sounds like something Lindsey would say (but who knows :shrug).

Yeah, I saw Lindsey say that on tv. In the same interview where he said that when they met at that youth gathering, Stevie recited some of her poetry and he said that she considered herself a poet even then. He said he was quick to criticize what she quoted to him and he said, "that hasn't changed."

Michele

[CADreaming]

I think you are right about your assessment of Lindsey. The only thing I wanted to add was about the "package deal". Unfortunately for Lindsey it seems that a lot of things about Fleetwood Mac are a double edge sword and this is one of them. Lindsey clearly loved the Buckingham Nicks duo and saw them (and I believe still does see them) as a team. I think Lindsey is also proud of himself (and I think he should be) that he was loyal to their Buckingham Nicks duo and insisted to Mick that if they want him they had to take Stevie too.

It's kind of weird too if you think about it. Mick wanted Lindsey (without Stevie) to join the band, but it was Stevie that talked Lindsey into joining the band and Lindsey insisting to Mick that he and Stevie were a package deal that allowed her to join the band too. It's very much like the cyclical thing Lindsey always talks about.

Well, Keith told Mick up front he wouldn't get LB without Stevie. Stevie wanted a steady income from performing, but I don't think she was immediately on board with it - she may have felt a little threatened. Waddy talked to Lindsey about it and encouraged him that FM could actually be a great "backup band" for BN. The deal was presented to LB in the form of, we'll gain some much needed exposure this way and then go back to BN. But, that didn't happen...

[elle]

Well, Keith told Mick up front he wouldn't get LB without Stevie. Stevie wanted a steady income from performing, but I don't think she was immediately on board with it - she may have felt a little threatened. Waddy talked to Lindsey about it and encouraged him that FM could actually be a great "backup band" for BN. The deal was presented to LB in the form of, we'll gain some much needed exposure this way and then go back to BN. But, that didn't happen...

we actually have like 5 different versions of how those phone calls and convos went, so who knows what is the actual truth. probably nobody, at this point. :shrug:

Mick and Lindsey usually tell version where Mick asked Keith for Lindsey's phone number and call him directly. you also have embellished this year's WY intro version which goes somewhat like this:
ring. ring.
hello?
hello lindsey, it's mick.
hello mick.
hey lindsey, would you like to join fleetwood mac?
uhm mick?
yes lindsey?
if you take me, you got to take my girlfriend too.

and then we heard Keith say in one of his versions (in Sound City doc) that he immediately told Mick that Lindsey won't go without his gf.

so who knows how it exactly went lol.

i would think the same 5+ versions of "truth" exist for the rest of the above post (Waddy talked to... and blah blah blah... Stevie convinced Lindsey, etc etc) :lol:

[michelej1]

I take the WY intro to be more of a stand up comedy routine than anything else.

Michele

[CADreaming]

we actually have like 5 different versions of how those phone calls and convos went, so who knows what is the actual truth. probably nobody, at this point. :shrug:

Mick and Lindsey usually tell version where Mick asked Keith for Lindsey's phone number and call him directly. you also have embellished this year's WY intro version which goes somewhat like this:
ring. ring.
hello?
hello lindsey, it's mick.
hello mick.
hey lindsey, would you like to join fleetwood mac?
uhm mick?
yes lindsey?
if you take me, you got to take my girlfriend too.

and then we heard Keith say in one of his versions (in Sound City doc) that he immediately told Mick that Lindsey won't go without his gf.

so who knows how it exactly went lol.

i would think the same 5+ versions of "truth" exist for the rest of the above post (Waddy talked to... and blah blah blah... Stevie convinced Lindsey, etc etc) :lol:

Yeah, Michele's right about the WY pretend call LB was doing.

My synopsis was based more on Keith & Waddy's memories, which I think are fairly good. Also, Crystal Zevon stated in her book that Lindsey had been talking to all of them on the Everly tour about joining, so I think he was trying to get some advice from a lot of friends. I do believe Stevie eventually saw that it was going to be a very good practical move for them to get some money coming in and if it didn't work out they could live off it for a while and finish their BN 2 album. Stevie probably got on the ship faster with Keith's prodding and the two of them convinced Lindsey that it would be the best thing for them to do. Since BN was getting a little recognition finally in the South though, the decision to change gears and leave something where he was in full artistic control was harder for him. But, keeping a happy girlfriend was probably a great motivation too. ;)

[elle]

My synopsis was based more on Keith & Waddy's memories, which I think are fairly good. Also, Crystal Zevon stated in her book that Lindsey had been talking to all of them on the Everly tour about joining, so I think he was trying to get some advice from a lot of friends.

yeah. i have no idea how good Keith's, Waddy's, Lindsey's or Mick's memories are. i have heard Keith tell several versions, in some of them he just gave Mick Lindsey's phone number, in others, he himself told Mick everything he needed to know. who knows which of these versions is true lol.

plus as we all know in general, people like to tell the same story in several different ways, whatever suits occasion and may elicit better reaction. WY intro is one of those ever changing versions. if audience laughed at certain lines, they stayed in Lindsey's WY intro story, and kept being augmented. :D

not sure why it's important anyway. :) :shrug:

[CADreaming]

yeah. i have no idea how good Keith's, Waddy's, Lindsey's or Mick's memories are. i have heard Keith tell several versions, in some of them he just gave Mick Lindsey's phone number, in others, he himself told Mick everything he needed to know. who knows which of these versions is true lol.

plus as we all know in general, people like to tell the same story in several different ways, whatever suits occasion and may elicit better reaction. WY intro is one of those ever changing versions. if audience laughed at certain lines, they stayed in Lindsey's WY intro story, and kept being augmented. :D

not sure why it's important anyway. :) :shrug:

Of course it's important.

Keith has always been pretty solid in his comments from what I've read and heard. I think Keith did all of that - he told Mick what he needed to know, gave him their number and stayed up all night talking to Stevie & Lindsey about it.

The only real discrepancy I've heard is the time frame. It was apparently stewing a little bit longer than they remember.

[elle]

Of course it's important.

Keith has always been pretty solid in his comments from what I've read and heard. I think Keith did all of that - he told Mick what he needed to know, gave him their number and stayed up all night talking to Stevie & Lindsey about it.

The only real discrepancy I've heard is the time frame. It was apparently stewing a little bit longer than they remember.

interesting re different time frames - what are they?

maybe Keith was trying to make sure he gets rid of that woman who was doing such crappy job cleaning his house (considering he told her she and her bf should just move in with him, b/c he had enough of paying her for that)? :lol:

so maybe Keith actually did tell Mick LB won't join without SN and screwed up Lindsey for life of being stuck with Stevie? and LB was actually considering just saying yes on his own? since he knew Stevie went to Aspen while he's with Everlys so she can kinda keep and eye on him, but at the same time contemplate whether or not she should just dump him and whether she can find someone better. :shrug: (if nothing else, Monday Morning from that time frame clearly says he was well aware of her going back and forth on their relationship.)

kids, just in case someone get all twisted about the above, i just made up that last paragraph on the spot. :lol:

[michelej1]

interesting re different time frames - what are they?



I don't know, but Lindsey apparently had enough time to tell the people he was touring with that he and Stevie were contemplating joining FM because the one guy from Zevon's book asked Lindsey why he would consider it, since he thought that Lindsey was earning sufficient money with them on the tour already and that joining FM would be a step down.

Michele

[iamnotafraid]

Touchy, Touchy ;) OK, next time I will call you dude, so you know I am not trying to feminize you.

...and there are a lot of people that misquote a person or embellish...


I prefer Iceman, but call me what you like.

Misquotes, embellishments??????
Who on this board would do such
a thing?

[Deeshere]

I prefer Iceman, but call me what you like.



I'll just call you Ice it's easier, or maybe maverick sounds better? :lol:

[Dreamz19]

you don't like That's Enough For Me?

I dislike the song as well. In fact, its the only song on Tusk I don't like at all.

[Dreamz19]

Yes, Stevie is well aware that she wasn't supposed to be in the band. They've talked about that for years and made it the showcase of the current tour, but I don't think Stevie is talking about herself in that quote. I think she calls it an air relationship because she is criticizing the authenticity and depth of Lindsey and CAH's feelings and commitment.

Michele

My thoughts exactly. I think she was discussing CAH and Lindsey in that quote.

[brickney723]

I definitely think she is referring to herself. When she speaks of "air relationships," I think she's talking about their astrological signs.

[chiliD]

Fleetwood Mac guitarist Lindsey Buckingham wants to
stop thinking about yesterday, reports Richard Jinman.

The Sydney Morning Herald
February 18, 2004

The Clash? It's hard to imagine Buckingham sporting a Mohican and cranking out a three-chord punk anthem such as London Calling.

I just couldn't let this go. Granted the reporter is an Aussie, but still can't forgive this...and the faux pas reminds me of some of the lines that they give Ziva David in NCIS (who I will miss when she leaves the series this coming season)...

Dude...it's called a MOHAWK! Not a MOHICAN. Mohawks are the hairstyle based on the Native American tribe of the same name, Mohicans were a tribe of Native Americans in the American North East made famous by James Fenimore Cooper. (the last of whom was played by Daniel Day-Lewis in the movie!) Not even close to the same thing!

And, furthermore...DOES "London Calling" really HAVE 3 chords??? I can only think of it having TWO!

Ok, I'm better now. :lol:

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. :angel: