Rename this space?

[becca]

It just occurs to me that 'Pre-Runours' is maybe not the best title for the original and '70s lineups of Fleetwood Mac. Can anything be done? What titles sound better?

[chriskisn]

It just occurs to me that 'Pre-Runours' is maybe not the best title for the original and '70s lineups of Fleetwood Mac. Can anything be done? What titles sound better?

The Real and Original Fleetwood Mac Forum?

[LesPaul7]

The Early Years

[doodyhead]

The problem with the name is that it does not describe the fact that the original forum people were more concerned with the part of the group with the huge fan base (the Buckingham Nicks era)
the fascinating part of Fleetwood mac is that it had gone through more metamorphic changes than your garden variety bug.

Thie pre rumors era had

Peter green's Fleetwood Mac featuring Jeremy Spencer which was ostensibly a straight up Blues Band.

The addition of Danny Kirwan and the influence of San francisco brought the Jam band into existence., that some have labeled the "Vaudville Years"

after the departure of Green then Spencer you get lost in the wilderness followed by a band with an identity crisis existing simultaneously with a fake band, A few pop bands lineups with different vibes.

all of this under one catch all name.
But if you separated each part out you would not have even less traffic than you do now.
At least this way there is seemingly more activity.

[becca]

Yeah, a lot of variety under one umbrella. But Pre-Rumours is a bit like someone from the U.S. who refers to people as Non-Americans even when talking about Canadians or Mexicans. :p

I think The Early Years is less patronizing and sounds good.

[doodyhead]

I hear you.

As an (ahem) defacto american I can't be responsible for Miley Cyrus, the invasion of Iraq (OK you can insert the country of your choice here) and slavery all at the same time, but I can say that as I child of 13 I was blown away by Muddy Waters, Howlin Wolf and Charlie Patton by some lucky chance. I sought out Peter Green because I heard of his, then legendary prowess on the electric guitar. by 17 I was learning how he did what he did on "Watch Out" and was thinking that this was the first white player who really understood what he was listening to, and then was able to put it in a sentence (borrowing from how you learn a word).

When I heard the Buckingham Nicks FM I thought, Hey Fleetwood Mac is still a band? Interesting music , the rhythm section sounds familiar, who's in it?

the name could be: The inception and the middle years...or something. The fact is that after PG DK and JS left it was (a) different band(s) and yet they are lumped in a catch all. But I agree that Pre rumors does disservice to its auspicious beginnings.
Although recent evidence shows that there are still Neanderthals walking around with everybody else. Are they "Pre Humans"?

[sharksfan2000]

I think The Early Years is less patronizing and sounds good.
I guess I don't really care that much about what the forum is called, but I can't argue with this, becca. It sure sounds better than the current name. Both you and Vinnie make some good points.

[becca]

On the other hand if it might be a technical problem to change things, or risk losing the old posts... :distress:

I did think the name might be off-putting to the most blues oriented fans.

I remember when the 1975 album came into the household and how it took me a few years to connect the band name to the copy of Then Play On we also had around. I have to admit I had that original group mentally sorted as being next to Creedence Clearwater, whereas the new group was totally separate and in with '70s Chilliwack, Wings and Heart, and yes, early Abba, which we also had. Although I heard some Bob Welch era stuff on the radio I didn't catch onto the name then.

As for white blues guys(gals), I am just getting seriously into Lonnie Mack and Roy Buchanan finally! Always someone new to discover: there is some later Jo-Ann Kelly playing I am amazed by too! (rip) :(

My bf has been on some kind of quest involving Stick McGhee, and I am proud to have turned him on to Tiny Grimes from before there was a major magazine article about that pioneering electric guitarist. Peter had/has the feel, he just gets it. :woohoo:

[sharksfan2000]

My bf has been on some kind of quest involving Stick McGhee
Drinkin' Wine Spo-dee-o-dee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37avLRywxGQ

[wetcamelfood]

It's not so much the name to me, just wish we had a non Rumours section for all other FM members (i.e. pre & post as one forum). JMHO though. :)

John

[doodyhead]

He is the brother of Brownie.
Richard Thompson rated Wine Spo-dee-o-dee as one of the 20 greatest songs of the last thousand years. It might of been tonge in cheek but I do know it was the favorite of Ahmet Ertigun. Allegedly he would ask Eric Clapton to play it all the time at parties that they were at together.

[MacShadowsBall]

Several things I noticed here...

First, Pre Rumours to me is really two primary lineups, the first one led by Peter and then the second one lead by Bob Welch. I noticed not alot of Ledgies overlap those lineups. As a mater a fact, I'd say the Welch led-Mac are more in line with the Rumours era Mac.

Second, Peter's solo forum gets very little activity.

So how about renaming Peter's solo forum "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac" focusing on the early blues era of FM. Peter's solo forum would be dissolved into this new forum. Then, the second forum formerly know as Pre-Rumours be for the Welch led-Mac called "The Bob Welch Era".

Same number of forums would be used...
Pre-Rumours = "The Bob Welch Era"
Peter Green solo careeer = "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac"

:cool:

[sjpdg]

It just occurs to me that 'Pre-Runours' is maybe not the best title for the original and '70s lineups of Fleetwood Mac. Can anything be done? What titles sound better?

My suggestion would be:

The Early Years, 1967 - 1974.

It covers everyone from Peter through Bob Welch and is a respectful nod to that era instead of patronizing it as "pre-Rumours".

Strictly my suggestion and I would not be the least offended if it was left as is as that's what everyone on the forum is already familiar with.

[Dex]

I agree that Pre-Rumours is perhaps slightly irritating in its bias towards one particular band lineup, with everything else being discussed relative to that. The Early Years would suit me fine, too.

Although I'd get more of a kick out of changing the "Rumours" forum name to "Post-Mystery to Me" personally.


ETA: D'oh! I suppose you should make that Post-Heroes are Hard to Find. Although I prefer to forget that particular album. ;)

[becca]

ETA: D'oh! I suppose you should make that Post-Heroes are Hard to Find. Although I prefer to forget that particular album. ;)

Until there is a quality remaster (with live extras), it does suffer from a very muddy sound unfortunately. :(

The separate Peter Green forum specializes in pre and post Mac, it seems to serve a purpose, though I expect people interested in Green solo would be able to tolerate Welch era topics.

[applebucked]

Yes, a remaster of Heroes would be great. The muddy sound retracts from the listening experience somewhat.

If you were to ask me, I would rename the three "Rumours" forums as:
The Early Years
The "Classic" Years (note the quotation marks)
The Later Years

[TrueFaith77]

I like the "Early Years" approach (though actually it's the Post-Rumours heading that is the MOST confusing, but I digress).

For me, splitting between Green's Mac and Welch's neglects the two-albums leadership by Danny Kirwan, which I prefer to both the Green and Welch-led manifestations of the band.

[applebucked]

I'm confused as to why everything has to be in relation to Rumours in the first place (technically speaking, their first album with that lineup was the 1975 one, which makes it more so :shrug:)

[SteveMacD]

I'm confused as to why everything has to be in relation to Rumours in the first place (technically speaking, their first album with that lineup was the 1975 one, which makes it more so :shrug:)
Because it's one of the top ten best selling albums of all time. It kind of defines Fleetwood Mac in general (no matter how much some of us wish it wasn't so), and that particular line-up specifically.

[doodyhead]

isn't it also true that the first Buckingham/Nicks album with the group was called "Fleetwood Mac"?

It is also true that there has been a lot of posting on that thread regarding "rumors";)


Also if I am not mistaken, one of the treads from Bob Welch himself was his own impressions of Peter Green. He was less than charitable in his assessment of Peter. In my mind having them lumped together has always been a case of "strange bedfellows"

doodyhead

[becca]

Thank you to the re-titlers, great work! Love seeing The Early Years here. :woohoo::angel::thumbsup:

Thank you!

[sharksfan2000]

Thank you to the re-titlers, great work! Love seeing The Early Years here. :woohoo::angel::thumbsup:

Thank you!
And thanks to you, becca, for getting this forum re-titling idea moving! :thumbsup:

[applebucked]

Love the new title! Much better and less patronizing than "Pre-Rumours", that's for sure. :D

[dino]

The Real and Original Fleetwood Mac Forum?

I like that!

[chiliD]

Ok, late to the debate, but then when am I NOT? :laugh:

Yes, me likey the name change, but I think it is a start. There was quite a bit of change between the departure of Jeremy Spencer and the arrival of Bob Welch.

I could see "The Early Years" being pared down to 1967-1971 (ending with the departure of Jeremy Spencer).

I can also envision an additional Forum encapsulating Late '71-74, for the arrival of both Bob Welch & Christine (officially on Future Games) thru the Dave Walker & Bob Weston albums up to Bob Welch's departure after Heroes Are Hard To Find.

[MacShadowsBall]

chiliD, check out my reply #12. We basically agree on this topic. This era is really two, perhaps even three eras if you include the Post-Green, Pre-Welch/Christine Kiln House. :cool: