Sacramento July 6, 2013, Sleep Train Arena

[michelej1]

By MALCOLM X ABRAM AKRON BEACON JOURNAL

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20130627/ENTERTAINMENT/130629569/1042/opinion?Title=Fleetwood-Mac-in-Sacramento

Published: Thursday, June 27, 2013

Fleetwood Mac formed around the rhythm section of bassist John McVie (though he didn’t perform on the band’s earliest singles and tour) and drummer Mick Fleetwood way back in 1967.

More than 45 years later, they’ve gone through several wholesale changes that produced three distinct eras: the early Peter Green British blues masters years; the mid-1970s Bob Welch rock years; and finally and most successfully, the Lindsey Buckingham-Stevie Nicks superstar years that brought chart-topping hits and arguably the best breakup rock album ever, 1977’s massive hit “Rumours.”

Since 1998, when longtime singer / songwriter / keyboardist Christine McVie retired, Fleetwood Mac has consisted of Buckingham, Nicks, John McVie, Fleetwood and a gaggle of hired musicians. The band hasn’t released a new album since 2003’s “Say You Will,” but the 2013 tour, loosely tied to the deluxe reissue of the “Rumours” album, is its first in four years.

The band has been in victory-lap mode since the last studio album, but lest fans think the four sexagenarians are simply shaking the money tree, there is new Fleetwood Mac music available, an EP imaginatively titled “Extended Play.” Released in late April, “Extended Play” features four songs, three written by Buckingham and one, the acoustic guitar-driven “Without You,” written by Nicks during her early days as a duo with Buckingham. In a bit of 21st century irony, Nicks rediscovered the song in demo form while searching videos on YouTube.

The EP’s lead single, “Sad Angel,” is a pleasantly up-tempo pop-rock song.

“I wrote this song last year for Stevie, who always had to fight for everything,” Buckingham told Rolling Stone in May.“‘Sad angel, have you come to fight the war?’ We’re all warriors with a sword of one sort or another, and she and I have known each other since high school,”he said.

Though Nicks is largely relegated to providing the girl part of the group’s patented boy / girl harmonies, the songs (“Sad Angel” and “Without You” are in the current set list) are solid and short enough to not have fans retreating to the bathrooms for their duration.

Naturally, most will be there to hear the songs with which they grew up, a sizable chunk of them from “Rumours.” At this point, the band has a few generations of fans, filling seats with grown folks who bought the band’s albums back in the proverbial day bringing their families, along with younger listeners who discovered Fleetwood Mac via parental or classic rock / pop radio osmosis. In 2011, the popular Fox musical television series “Glee” aired an entire episode centered on “Rumours,” featuring six songs from the album, which sent it back to the charts, peaking at number 11.

“We’re doing the best business we’ve done in 20 years, maybe it’s a generational thing,” Buckingham told Rolling Stone shortly after the April 4 start of the tour.

The “Rumours” 35th anniversary set comes in a three-CD “Expanded” edition and a “Super Deluxe” edition, giving fans plenty of extras over which they can obsess. Both include a dozen live tracks from 1977, 16 demos and outtakes, with the “Deluxe” also sporting another 18 outtakes and demos along with “The Rosebud Film,” a 1977 documentary, and the original album on vinyl.

For the tour, the band has put together a 23-song set list that covers the entire Buckingham-Nicks era, opening with a triple shot of songs from “Rumours” (“to get it out of the way,” Buckingham said), reaching back to 1975’s eponymous album that included the hits “Rhiannon” and the oft-covered (and occasionally butchered) “Landslide,” through “Sara” and the title track from 1979’s willfully experimental Tusk, and the ’80s MTV era with soft-rock hits such as “Gypsy.” Nicks gets a moment in the spotlight to sing “Stand Back,” and of course Mick Fleetwood retains his standard elaborately staged drum solo spot during “World Turning.”

Though Nicks and Buckingham’s romantic relationship ended decades ago, their dynamic has long been a driving creative force of the band. The two held hands at the big-tour-announcement news conference, discussed their relationship and how it still informs what they do as a group, including ending the set with Nicks and Buckingham singing a duet on “Say Goodbye.”

“For years, it was difficult to get complete closure with her, like picking a scab off a wound over and over. The song is about how all the illusions have fallen away, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t hope and belief in our future in a different context,” he told Rolling Stone.

That different context could be a new album, as Buckingham recently stated he’d be interested in recording with his bandmates.

Many legendary rock bands that hang around for a few decades become more business partners than band mates, such as the Ramones, the Rolling Stones, the Police and the Eagles, to name a few. That kind of detached organizational focus appeals to Buckingham.

“Sometimes I wish we were the Eagles,” he said in winter 2012 to Rolling Stone. “That’s one thing they’ve always been able to do is want the same thing for the same reasons. They probably don’t share the same sensibilities as people and they may not spend much time together, but somehow they’re able to put that aside and get on with the business of doing business, and there’s something to be said for that.”

The members of Fleetwood Mac might not be able to gather and simply get on with business, but being a part of one of the most obsessively chronicled and detailed relationships in rock history, which produced one of rock history’s most popular albums, many hit songs and a loyal audience that spans a few generations, ain’t too bad, either.

[Macfanforever]

Well as they say.Good things got to come to a end .The first leg will be done after this show tonight. I bet Stevie and everybody will be tearing up and crying through out the show tonight. I just want to say have a great time tonight at this last show of this wonderful tour.Be safe and enjoy and send our love to Stevie and the boys.

Tomorrow It only will be a memory.

[CADreaming]

Man I can't believe it. I have loved this tour and really hate I could only make one show. I really hope they film it - the band is so tight and the vocals are awesome. There is more interaction onstage and just a sweet vibe overall. It would be a shame not to record it. It's ten times better than LIB.

Can't wait to hear about the Sept-Dec dates and see what next year brings.

[Lindsfan]

Man I can't believe it. I have loved this tour and really hate I could only make one show. I really hope they film it - the band is so tight and the vocals are awesome. There is more interaction onstage and just a sweet vibe overall. It would be a shame not to record it. It's ten times better than LIB.

Can't wait to hear about the Sept-Dec dates and see what next year brings.

Well said, CAD.
I made a few more shows than you, but feel the same way...:(

[SadAngel86]

I hope everyone had an awesome time tonight, cause by my time it's all over by now. I'm sad too about only making one show but I seriously could not afford it after spending $330 for two tix to the Rosemont show; and I would have gone to both Chicago shows if I could. I'm just grateful I got to see them when I did and I do hope that someone records this concert and puts it up as a torrent cause I'd love to have it!

[michelej1]

The end of the line. It was one of those bittersweet nights when joy becomes history. But there were no tears from the band.

The show was great. I love the way you first see it's going to be most a magic and manic night during The Chain when Lindsey runs back to his mic as soon as John's solo is over and jumps up after the close.

Stevie says the've been on the road for 3 months and this is their last show in America, so they plan to have a ____ she stops herself and says, "Don't swear, Stevie. That being said, this party starts NOW."

For the NTF intro, Lindsey observes as he has in the past that 'it smells like you guys are having a good time down there.' He talks about the axiom which describes the process of identifying a formula, exploiting it, using it up and then moving on to something else.

At the beginning of Sisters of the Moon, I can hear Lindsey counting of "1, 2, 3, 4" even though he's not in front of his mic. I am happy with the way the song has ended up. Musically, it rocked harder in 1982, but I think Stevie's energy is pretty high for it and I'm somewhat surprised that she's remained so up and intense for the entire tour, when you consider that this is a song that -- if we believe Mick -- she's resisted doing for some time. I love the bite she's put into it.

For Big Love, Lindsey does play with the audience. He says it was written in 1987, "before you were born." I don't know what the people said in response to him. But he said, "hmmm" and contemplates a further response before declaring, "I could of blew the whole vibe there." He talks to them some more, but I can't hear the conversation.

For Landslide, Lindsey and Stevie don't play around. She says she dedicates it to friends and family and she does have friends and family there tonight.

To Bob Fogel whom she's known since she was a freshman in college, "if you can believe that." And to the Schneider family, the family of her best friend Robin. And mostly she dedicates it to the fans.

For Without You Stevie says that the introduction started at 3 minutes and she thinks it's lasted for up to 9 minutes since then, it won't be 9 minutes tonight -- or maybe it will. She says that when she wrote it in the early seventies she and Lindsey were "going out" [Going out?? I've never been so insulted in my entire life]. She says they were in the middle of a musical love affair in San Francisco during that exciting era.

She wrote a poem and she thinks it's the most beautiful thing she's ever written about them, not just about Lindsey but about the two of them. They made a cassette of the poem and then it disappeared for a time. They lost it [before she was saying that she and Lindsey never noticed it was gone]. She says she doesn't know if one of their sleazy friends took it or if one of their nice friends took it because he didn't think they would miss or care about it, but whatever, it disappeared. She says that this is the part of the story where Lindsey walks away [he walked over to Mick] because he is wondering what she is talking about.


Then her friends the song again on Youtube and she had them make a cd of it so she could play it for Lindsey.

She played it and asked Lindsey if he remembered it. Lindsey said that's us [which I guess means he did NOT remember the song. He just can recognize his own voice from 40 years ago.]

She says Mick said remember that's what attracted him to them and somewhere at the beginning of the tour, Lindsey stepped in and said, "Now hang on. That's not what attracted Mick to us. Mick puts his drum sticks over his face and Stevie chides him, "Don't hide Mick. Don't hide." She says that Lindsey reminded her that their guitar player quit and what they needed was a lead guitarist." Then she said that Lindsey didn't say it, but she herself said, "and no where in the words Lead Guitarist does it say and his hippy girlfriend."

So, she says that this is the part where she hands the story over to Lindsey. . Lindsey takes the mic and says, "Me? Me?" He goes through his phone conversation with Mick and says that he wouldn't join unless they took his girlfriend, ending his segment by saying, "NOW THAT'S LOVE, BABY."

Stevie laughs and says that now that Mr. Buckingham has stated such a sweet sentiment, she wants to thank all of the men in the band.

She thanks John saying that he was married to the other woman in the band [what what? I'm drawing a blank here] and never said, "I don't think this is a good idea." She said that John could have trashed the whole thing, but they'll talk about THAT side of the story on the next part of the tour when they go to Australia, she bets John can't wait!

I notice that Brett and Mick point to each other at the end of [I]ISA.

During Stand Back, I think Stevie missed the line, "one man did not fall" but it was hardly noticeable. I guess I don't look at Neale a lot, but this is the first time I noticed that he is wearing a sequins jacket. Stevie smiles broadly at him as he plays his part and during the song Lindsey cranes his neck to take a peek at Brett over there in the corner and they both have a good laugh over an inside joke, no doubt.

During GYOW, once Lindsey jumps down from the drum kit, I smile because we've talked about George and Gracie being old, but the way Stevie follows Lindsey as he circles, she is hunched over and makes me think of Groucho Marx. All she is missing is the cigar. He used to do a kind of duck walk while pacing in that rhythmic fashion.

After GYOW a lady hopped onto the stage. She'd been trying to angle her way into position to do this all night and finally succeeded. Stevie calmly told her, "You can't do that. You can't do that" and gestured to her. Later, instead of removing her from the audience, you can see Stevie mouthing a conversation with her during other songs telling her if she gets crawls back onto stage she will have security come from the back and push her off. She makes a shoving motion with her hands. I wish they'd thrown the woman out and instead of making a pushing gesture at her, I wish Stevie had pantomimed all of the other things that security might do to her: hit her with a baseball bat. Handcuff and drag her off. Taser her. A little staccato chop across the throat to signify a beheading. My imagination runs wild with all the things Stevie could have done to discourage further antics.

I hadn't noticed this before, but I like the way the lights blink bright when Mick asks the audience a question. It encourages a response back from the audience. "Are you with me?" Yes, everyone screams back.

At the end of Don't Stop I love the way the video camera is roving over all four of them. Lindsey, Mick, Stevie, John, Lindsey, Mick, Stevie, John, the movement matching the frenzied climax of the song.

The thing about Say Goodbye is that Lindsey's intro in 2003 was about peace and reconciliation. It's not about that now. He's not saying that all the drama is gone from their life or that their relationship is better than it's ever been. All he says it's that their illusions have fallen away. You need to hold on to dreams at one point in your life and then you need to discard them to grow.

At any rate, Stevie isn't shaking her head tonight. She's looking back at Lindsey somberly.

Tonight, after the group bow, John and Lindsey hug as well.

In her dreamcatcher speech Stevie says that this is the last show in America and she can't tell us how thrilled she is. She can't wait to take a break. She says they've done 48 concerts and this is probably the hardest tour they've done. It's 2 hours and 30-40 minutes long, as she's sure we know and she points out, "and we aren't young."

But they've been throwing out songs to us and we throw them back for 35 years now and it has made her fall in love with us all over again.

For his part, Mick says that this is not their last concert by far and we should remember that "The Mac will be back."

Then, it's over and I leave -- with all of my illusions still intact, actually. Thank you Fleetwood Mac. Live 2013.

[thinkaboutme90]

I just got back from this show...and all I can say is that it was amazing! So so fun! Stevie was beautiful, magical, charming and charismatic, more amazing than I imagined she would be. I remember when I first saw her on tv during their 1997 concert and I just gazed at her because she was so ethereal and mesmerizing, like no one I'd seen in my short 6 years of life... and tonight I just fell in love with her again like I did 15 years ago. She was magic. Lindsey totally blew me away! He was his usual well-spoken, articulate self, and so passionate about the music; he totally brought down the house during "So Afraid". Lindsey was on fire! Probably would have considered flashing him if I was near the stage. :sorry: :laugh: John McVie was his usual calm, cool self, and TOTALLY rocked the bass. During "The Chain" I just about died when I heard the bass line, it killed me. And I adored Mick Fleetwood, always such a goofy hilarious kook, and such an amazing drummer! I missed Chris, but I felt her. Her spirit was alive in all of the music I heard, that she had helped build. The lyrics she wrote, the keyboard parts that she created... she was there. :nod:

All in all, despite the fact that this was the last stop of their American tour, all four of them were as alive as ever, so fun and enthusiastic, had amazing chemistry with one another, and were full of gratitude for us fans. Buckingham and Nicks's touchy-feelyness totally made me melt, too.

I just had to rant. This was my first Fleetwood Mac concert, but definitely not my last! :blob1:

[vivfox]

After GYOW a lady hopped onto the stage. She'd been trying to angle her way into position to do this all night and finally succeeded. Stevie calmly told her, "You can't do that. You can't do that" and gestured to her. Later, instead of removing her from the audience, you can see Stevie mouthing a conversation with her during other songs telling her if she gets back stage she will have security from the back come and push her off. She makes a pushing motion. I wish they'd thrown the woman out and instead of making a pushing gesture at her, I wish Stevie had pantomimed all of the other things that security might do to her, hit her with a baseball bat. Handcuff and drag her off. Taser her. Kick her. My imagination runs wild with all the things Stevie could have done to discourage further antics.


As always my favorite part of your reviews lies in your sense of humor. I'm so glad you enjoyed the show and got to see them live several times. You could rate the shows from best to good in the order you deem fit.

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[michelej1]

As always my favorite part of your reviews lies in your sense of humor. I'm so glad you enjoyed the show and got to see them live several times.

Thanks Viv. I had quite a wonderful time. The stage jumper ended up getting all of the attention that she craved, which is a shame.

Michele

[WelshWitchPMD]

Thanks Viv. I had quite a wonderful time. The stage jumper ended up getting all of the attention that she craved, which is a shame.

Michele

Wonder if she is related to the guitar thief from the Mansfield show? She got attention from LB and SN.

[AliceLover]

Thanks Viv. I had quite a wonderful time. The stage jumper ended up getting all of the attention that she craved, which is a shame.

Michele

Michele- Love the pics of John and Lindsey hugging. They did a similar thing in Mansfield but it was more playful than anything. This looks a lot more sincere.

I can't believe Stevie made it through the 48 shows as well as she did. Her voice and energy remained strong with out; as well as all boots every night since April. I'm very impressed. Especially in comparison to the awfulness that was the 'Unleashed' tour.

[SadAngel86]

At the end of Don't Stop I love the way the video camera is roving over all four of them. Lindsey, Mick, Stevie, John, Lindsey, Mick, Stevie, John, the movement matching the frenzied climax of the song.

The thing about Say Goodbye is that Lindsey's intro in 2003 was about peace and reconciliation. It's not about that now. He's not saying that all the drama is gone from their life or that their relationship is better than it's ever been. All he says it's that their illusions have fallen away. You need to hold on to dreams at one point in your life and then you need to discard them to grow.

At any rate, Stevie isn't shaking her head tonight. She's looking back at Lindsey somberly.

Tonight, after the group bow, John and Lindsey hug as well.

In her dreamcatcher speech Stevie says that this is the last show in America and she can't tell us how thrilled she is. She can't wait to take a break. She says they've done 48 concerts and this is probably the hardest tour they've done. It's 2 hours and 30-40 minutes long, as she's sure we know and she points out, "and we aren't young."

But they've been throwing out songs to us and we throw them back for 35 years now and it has made her fall in love with us all over again.

For his part, Mick says that this is not their last concert by far and we should remember that "The Mac will be back."

Then, it's over and I leave -- with all of my illusions still intact, actually. Thank you Fleetwood Mac. Live 2013.

That's interesting Michelle. I've never noticed the camera roving over them during Don't Stop. It always seems to be well hidden.

And I just love how you express the bittersweet feelings of this show, and I can just imagine all of them on stage saying their goodbyes on a tour well done. Great job!

[michelej1]

That's interesting Michelle. I've never noticed the camera roving over them during Don't Stop. It always seems to be well hidden.


Oh, it was hidden, I was just talking about the shots on the screen. I didn't see the camera itself, but I saw the images rotating between the four of them (actually Stevie and Mick were in the same shot at the drum kit) speedily. It almost seemed like what you would see if you were on a merry-go-round and you saw the people on the pavement around you spinning by.

Michele

[jannieC]

Great review, Michele (as usual). I like how you described Stevie looking at Lindsey "somberly." I noticed that a lot during Say Goodbye. When I wasn't bawling my eyes out. Great pictures, too. :thumbsup:

[michelej1]

Great review, Michele (as usual). I like how you described Stevie looking at Lindsey "somberly." I noticed that a lot during Say Goodbye. When I wasn't bawling my eyes out.

Stevie can look downright mournful sometimes and the way her lids hood her brown eyes can make her expression even more so.

I'm trying to remember when I last cried at an FM concert. It may have been during the SYW tour.

Michele

[Deeshere]

[QUOTE=AliceLover;1098125]Michele- Love the pics of John and Lindsey hugging. They did a similar thing in Mansfield but it was more playful than anything. This looks a lot more sincere.


I think it was sincere. I watched the end of the San Diego Show and John looked ticked off at Lindsey for some reason. When he walks up to Stevie he looks mad. Stevie even tells him to bow with all of them (not sure why she said it, it's kinda like she though he might not do it)

The whole thing is weird because Lindsey is in such a good mood and doesn't seem to realize John's mad right away, but once he does he seems to get a little upset himself as he's walking away.

I would love to know what happened back stage to get him so upset.

Also, Lindsey giving Stevie a hug, then Mick coming up behind them asking Stevie for a hug. Which Lindsey takes (playful) offense to and turns around to Mick saying "What the hell?" then playfully pretends to punch Mick in the stomach. (anybody ever seen Lindsey act like that before ??)

Here's a link to the video I am talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56B8oAr5H1M

The first 30 seconds of the video are fascinating to me. There's so much going on and so much under current. I have my own theory as to what is going on, but I don't want to start any trouble or cause any fights, so I will let you judge the video yourself.

Everything happens really fast so you have to slow it down or pause it. Stop the video at the:16 second mark and also:27 second mark and you can see what I am talking about. First John looks mad when he walks up to Stevie (you can see her stop smiling) then second one is when John shoots Lindsey a dirty look. The whole thing is over in 29 seconds, so don't blink.



P.S. To our friends overseas if you video tape the show (this fall) to post it, please video the intro to without you, Sara,the 2 encores showing Stevie and Lindsey walking on to stage and the very end (or closing remarks) after Say Goodbye. Some of the most interesting stuff on this tour has happened during those times in less than 1 minute.

[Somegirl60171]

Interesting, you can see stevie say " are you alright?" To John

[CADreaming]

[QUOTE=AliceLover;1098125]Michele- Love the pics of John and Lindsey hugging. They did a similar thing in Mansfield but it was more playful than anything. This looks a lot more sincere.


I think it was sincere. I watched the end of the San Diego Show and John looked ticked off at Lindsey for some reason. When he walks up to Stevie he looks mad. Stevie even tells him to bow with all of them (not sure why she said it, it's kinda like she though he might not do it)

The whole thing is weird because Lindsey is in such a good mood and doesn't seem to realize John's mad right away, but once he does he seems to get a little upset himself as he's walking away.

I would love to know what happened back stage to get him so upset.

Also, Lindsey giving Stevie a hug, then Mick coming up behind them asking Stevie for a hug. Which Lindsey takes (playful) offense to and turns around to Mick saying "What the hell?" then playfully pretends to punch Mick in the stomach. (anybody every seen Lindsey act like that before ??)

Here's a link to the video I am talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56B8oAr5H1M

The first 30 seconds of the video are fascinating to me. There's so much going on and so much under current. I have my own theory as to what is going on, but I don't want to start any trouble or cause any fights, so I will let you judge the video yourself.

Everything happens really fast so you have to slow it down or pause it. Stop the video at the:16 second mark and also:27 second mark and you can see what I am talking about. First John looks mad when he walks up to Stevie (you can see her stop smiling) then second one is when John shoots Lindsey a dirty look. The whole thing is over in 29 seconds, so don't blink.

That's all very interesting. What I noticed was John's face in this photo from San Diego though:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/580476_590187471002831_142553340_n.jpg

I mean, is he just over it or what? :shrug:

P.S. To our friends overseas if you video tape the show (this fall to post it, please video the intro to without you, Sara,the 2 encores showing Stevie and Lindsey walking on to stage and the very end (or closing remarks) after Say Goodbye. Some of the most interesting stuff on this tour has happened during those times in less than 1 minute.

Ditto this.

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Beautiful review, Michele, and THANK YOU, especially, for the Lindsey and John pics :xoxo:

[michelej1]

especially, for the Lindsey and John pics :xoxo:

I love them too because they remind me of Herbie's White album photo and of Lindsey's BTM cameo.

Michele

[Deeshere]

[QUOTE=CADreaming;1098159][QUOTE=Deeshere;1098154]

That's all very interesting. What I noticed was John's face in this photo from San Diego though:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/580476_590187471002831_142553340_n.jpg

I mean, is he just over it or what? :shrug:


Yeah, I noticed John shooting Stevie and Lindsey dirty (or should I say unhappy) looks for a while now. He either is ignoring them or looks upset, especially when they are acting really chummy or hugging. It has really started to escalate in the last few weeks though.

[bombaysaffires]

[QUOTE=CADreaming;1098159][QUOTE=Deeshere;1098154]

That's all very interesting. What I noticed was John's face in this photo from San Diego though:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/580476_590187471002831_142553340_n.jpg

I mean, is he just over it or what? :shrug:


Yeah, I noticed John shooting Stevie and Lindsey dirty (or should I say unhappy) looks for a while now. He either is ignoring them or looks upset, especially when they are acting really chummy or hugging. It has really started to escalate in the last few weeks though.

Is he getting sick of the shtick? Feeling like he and Mick are relegated to "the backup band"?:shrug:

[bombaysaffires]

I love them too because they remind me of Herbie's White album photo and of Lindsey's BTM cameo.


which White Album pic? I'm drawing a blank

I was thinking of the back cover of Rumours

[michelej1]

When they return after an encore, Mick and John usually make gestures of one kind or another towards one another. Last night I saw them holding up index fingers. I took it as the #1 sign.

Michele

[michelej1]

which White Album pic? I'm drawing a blank

I was thinking of the back cover of Rumours

Yes, you're right, the back cover of Rumours. When Herbie said that Lindsey didn't know what to expect and then John was just hugging him.

For BTM when Lindsey went to shake John's hand, John withdrew it and then indicated that he was just playing around and they hugged.

Michele

[Rumour0323]

Lindsey has been spewing his .."Christine burned her bridges"...stuff alot in the press again lately, and I don't think John takes kindly to that. I also agree about the backup band comment. They talk a lot about Stevie and Lindsey, maybe he is just over it, in the same way I think Chris was at the end of The Dance.

And in that clip Lindsey looks drunk!

[michelej1]

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[bombaysaffires]

Yes, you're right, the back cover of Rumours. When Herbie said that Lindsey didn't know what to expect and then John was just hugging him.

For BTM when Lindsey went to shake John's hand, John withdrew it and then indicated that he was just playing around and they hugged.




the dynamics in this band are so layered.... the couples' aspect is the most visible and in some ways it distracts from a lot of the other dynamics in the band... especially the stuff among all the men. LB and Mick have such a complicated relationship, as do LB and John... I fear that if/when a movie ever gets made about this band TOO much will focus on the "lovers" dynamic and the real complexity of all the relationships will get lost. That to me is where a lot of the real fascination lies.

[elle]

the dynamics in this band are so layered.... the couples' aspect is the most visible and in some ways it distracts from a lot of the other dynamics in the band... especially the stuff among all the men. LB and Mick have such a complicated relationship, as do LB and John... I fear that if/when a movie ever gets made about this band TOO much will focus on the "lovers" dynamic and the real complexity of all the relationships will get lost. That to me is where a lot of the real fascination lies.

yes, i especially loved watching the bromance going on between Mick and Lindsey on this tour. it's so palpable and obvious, but nobody seems to be talking about it.

[CADreaming]

yes, i especially loved watching the bromance going on between Mick and Lindsey on this tour. it's so palpable and obvious, but nobody seems to be talking about it.

It's cool. But it's not the 40th anniversary of Buckingham Fleetwood... :D

[michelej1]

yes, i especially loved watching the bromance going on between Mick and Lindsey on this tour. it's so palpable and obvious, but nobody seems to be talking about it.

Mick and Lindsey have always been in love. I would say at least since Tusk, if not before.

Mick used to kiss Lindsey during the SYW introductions.

Actually, though, Mick loves a lot of people. So, I don't know where Lindsey ranks. I would say that Lindsey, for his part, has got to love Mick more than he loves most people.

Michele

[michelej1]

the dynamics in this band are so layered.... the couples' aspect is the most visible and in some ways it distracts from a lot of the other dynamics in the band... especially the stuff among all the men. LB and Mick have such a complicated relationship, as do LB and John... I fear that if/when a movie ever gets made about this band TOO much will focus on the "lovers" dynamic and the real complexity of all the relationships will get lost. That to me is where a lot of the real fascination lies.

Of course a movie is not going to focus on the five of them or will do so in only the most surface manner. The only group that could even possibly get broader analysis is the Beatles and even that is going to be heavily weighted to John and Paul.

Remember in 1997 when Christine said that a lot of love was floating around and she said that she saw -- I don't know if she said she saw John and Lindsey hug or she just said she saw them head to head, being warm with one another and that moved her, but then she made a joke about it and said don't get any ideas -- as if people would take her lovely comment about the men in a sexual way.

Michele

[michelej1]

I have some of the Without You intro, but it's upside down. I don't know ...:distress:. I'll upload it after it finishes converting.

[Macfanforever]

I have some of the Without You intro, but it's upside down. I don't know ...:distress:. I'll upload it after it finishes converting.

Hahahaha Stevie and the guys probably look great standing on the ceiling.LOL..

I use AVS video converter has a flip video option to flip videos to the right way.

[Lindsfan]

Yes, you're right, the back cover of Rumours. When Herbie said that Lindsey didn't know what to expect and then John was just hugging him.

For BTM when Lindsey went to shake John's hand, John withdrew it and then indicated that he was just playing around and they hugged.

Michele

Awww <3

yes, i especially loved watching the bromance going on between Mick and Lindsey on this tour. it's so palpable and obvious, but nobody seems to be talking about it.

Awww <3

Mick and Lindsey have always been in love. I would say at least since Tusk, if not before.

Mick used to kiss Lindsey during the SYW introductions.

Actually, though, Mick loves a lot of people. So, I don't know where Lindsey ranks. I would say that Lindsey, for his part, has got to love Mick more than he loves most people.

Michele

Awww <3
Stop it or I'll start crying ;):o

[michelej1]

Awww <3
Stop it or I'll start crying ;):o

I think Mick was intended to be "piggy in the middle" more than anything else, but remember in that Behind the Music (I think) when they asked Lindsey if Mick was "Mr. Rock Cock" and Lindsey said he was and Mick said, "I'm very flattered." I just cracked up.

You know, I don't think much of Mick's looks, but when he uses his debonair voice, I get kind of ...

Michele

[Lindsfan]

I watched the end of the San Diego Show and John looked ticked off at Lindsey for some reason. When he walks up to Stevie he looks mad. Stevie even tells him to bow with all of them (not sure why she said it, it's kinda like she though he might not do it)

The whole thing is weird because Lindsey is in such a good mood and doesn't seem to realize John's mad right away, but once he does he seems to get a little upset himself as he's walking away.


How do you know he was mad at Lindsey? Maybe he was mad at Stevie? Maybe Lindsey was mad at John for being mad at Stevie? Maybe John was just tired? So much drama, it's hard to tell sometimes.



Is he getting sick of the shtick? Feeling like he and Mick are relegated to "the backup band"?:shrug:

Possibly. But that shtick makes him lots of money ;)

Lindsey has been spewing his .."Christine burned her bridges"...stuff alot in the press again lately, and I don't think John takes kindly to that. I also agree about the backup band comment. They talk a lot about Stevie and Lindsey, maybe he is just over it, in the same way I think Chris was at the end of The Dance.


No more than usual, and we don't really know what John thinks, do we? Not like he's a big talker. Like I said, above, whether he's over it , or not, he's certainly enjoyed the paychecks it gets him. I don't mean that as a knock against John. I adore John. But when people start complaining that Stevie and Lindsey get all the accolades, they might want to remember that they're also doing most of the work. John is as involved as he wants to be, and if Lindsey and Stevie sell tickets, that's good for him. Honestly, I think too much is being read into all of this. Maybe they're all just exhausted and emotional as the US tour comes to an end.

[Lindsfan]

I think Mick was intended to be "piggy in the middle" more than anything else, but remember in that Behind the Music (I think) when they asked Lindsey if Mick was "Mr. Rock Cock" and Lindsey said he was and Mick said, "I'm very flattered." I just cracked up.

You know, I don't think much of Mick's looks, but when he uses his debonair voice, I get kind of ...

Michele

They are pretty cute together :nod: There was an article out during SYW, I think, where they interviewed them both seperately, and Mick said outright that he loves Lindsey. Made my heart melt. If I recall (and I'm often wrong), Lindsey said the same about Mick.

Once he sobered up and got off all the drugs, Mick turned into a rather handsome gentleman, in later years. And I know what you mean about his voice. It is very soothing in person. I could listen to him talk for quite a while!

[michelej1]

No more than usual, and we don't really know what John thinks, do we?

This is the third tour that Lindsey and Stevie have showcased, so I hardly think that he'd wait until now to get tired of playing back up to them. If he wanted to reclaim his position in the limelight (??) maybe he should have left his boat and showed up at some of those pre-tour press conferences and put a stop to those endless rounds of handholding. Take that thunder away from them.

Michele

[Deeshere]

[QUOTE=Lindsfan;1098186]How do you know he was mad at Lindsey? Maybe he was mad at Stevie? Maybe Lindsey was mad at John for being mad at Stevie? Maybe John was just tired? So much drama, it's hard to tell sometimes.


I don't know for sure that he's mad a Lindsey, but the angry looks he's shooting Lindsey seem to be a dead give away. When he looks a Stevie he seems displeased, but when he looks a Lindsey (IMO) he really seems mad.


Possibly. But that shtick makes him lots of money ;)

Honestly, I don't think it's shtick this time.

I will just say that I think the Jones Beach Concert was ground zero. (I know this may cause a fight and I am not trying to get anyone upset I am just trying to make my point) Did you ever wonder why Stevie decided to wear a scarf around her neck during the 2nd encore at Jones Beach, when she's never worn a scarf before as part of her costume and has not worn one since??

I guess you could say her neck was cold, but we also know how much Lindsey loves Stevie's neck and since she was going back up on stage you can't take a chance in messing up her makeup can you?

There's a lot more I could bring up and several video's I could direct you to but again, I am not trying to start anything. I actually like a lot of the people on this board and know several of them like Lindsey and Kristen together and I really don't want to offend them though I probably already have.


p.s. CADreaming... if you want to know more about what am talking about send me a message and I will tell you what I see going on and why. Including why I think John was mad at Sat's concert.

[Samantha]

Possibly. But that shtick makes him lots of money ;)

[B]Honestly, I don't think it's shtick this time.

I will just say that I think the Jones Beach Concert was ground zero. (I know this may cause a fight and I am not trying to get anyone upset I am just trying to make my point) Did you ever wonder why Stevie decided to wear a scarf around her neck during the 2nd encore at Jones Beach, when she's never worn a scarf before as part of her costume and has not worn one since??

I guess you could say her neck was cold, but we also know how much Lindsey loves Stevie's neck and since she was going back up on stage you can't take a chance in messing up her makeup can you?

She was wearing a scarf at the Holiday Bowl show in May as well, because it was cold out...

[michelej1]

I will just say that I think the Jones Beach Concert was ground zero. (I know this may cause a fight and I am not trying to get anyone upset I am just trying to make my point) Did you ever wonder why Stevie decided to wear a scarf around her neck during the 2nd encore at Jones Beach, when she's never worn a scarf before as part of her costume and has not worn one since??

I guess you could say her neck was cold

She wore a scarf at the Hollywood Bowl concert too. She came out without it and then she put it on and she said it was because her neck was cold, well she said it was because she was freezing in general. And that's not a first for this tour. She often wears scarfs at outdoor venues, even if it's just in the sixties and seventies. She does it with Fleetwood Mac and during solo concerts too, to protect her voice.

If she is wearing a scarf for any other reason, then why does it happen at just outdoor venues?

Michele

[michelej1]

Here's two minutes of the Without You intro. I turned it around in Windows Movie Maker

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[Deeshere]

Possibly. But that shtick makes him lots of money ;)

[B]Honestly, I don't think it's shtick this time.

I will just say that I think the Jones Beach Concert was ground zero. (I know this may cause a fight and I am not trying to get anyone upset I am just trying to make my point) Did you ever wonder why Stevie decided to wear a scarf around her neck during the 2nd encore at Jones Beach, when she's never worn a scarf before as part of her costume and has not worn one since??

I guess you could say her neck was cold, but we also know how much Lindsey loves Stevie's neck and since she was going back up on stage you can't take a chance in messing up her makeup can you?

She was wearing a scarf at the Holiday Bowl show in May as well, because it was cold out...

Your absolutely right. I did forget about the Hollywood Bowl scarf/glove combo, but that was almost 1 month earlier the weather is much warmer now. I don't think the temperature was very cool that night, however there are some people on this board that were actually there that night and they can say if it was cold enough for a scarf that night or not.

If someone says it was really cold that night, I'm willing to concede that I could be wrong about the scarf, but I still don't think I am wrong overall because there was more stuff in those videos than just Stevie wearing a scarf out on stage that I did not bring it up because I am trying to not be offensive to anyone.

[Deeshere]

She wore a scarf at the Hollywood Bowl concert too. She came out without it and then she put it on and she said it was because her neck was cold, well she said it was because she was freezing in general. And that's not a first for this tour. She often wears scarfs at outdoor venues, even if it's just in the sixties and seventies. She does it with Fleetwood Mac and during solo concerts too, to protect her voice.

If she is wearing a scarf for any other reason, then why does it happen at just outdoor venues?

Michele

Really, Really I am not trying to start anything. I respect everyone's opinion. I can understand her wearing a scar to protect her voice, however I don't know how much good it will do when you wear it to just sing the last 2 songs in the show.
Also her wearing a scarf around her neck is really NOT the reason I think more could have been going on that night. There was more going on during that show than her just walking out on stage wearing a scarf. If it was a regular show and she walked out on stage wearing a scarf around her neck I would not have thought anything else about it.

I knew I might ruffle feathers when I said something and really I was just trying to get some dialogue going about the shows.

I know this is not a favorable topic, so I will just shut up now.

[Samantha]

Your absolutely right. I did forget about the Hollywood Bowl scarf/glove combo, but that was almost 1 month earlier the weather is much warmer now. I don't think the temperature was very cool that night, however there are some people on this board that were actually there that night and they can say if it was cold enough for a scarf that night or not.

If someone says it was really cold that night, I'm willing to concede that I could be wrong about the scarf, but I still don't think I am wrong overall because there was more stuff in those videos than just Stevie wearing a scarf out on stage that I did not bring it up because I am trying to not be offensive to anyone.

Not offended at all, just wondering where you're going with this. No worries!

[michelej1]

Really, Really I am not trying to start anything. I respect everyone's opinion. I can understand her wearing a scar to protect her voice, however I don't know how much good it will do when you wear it to just sing the last 2 songs in the show. I knew I might ruffle feathers when I said something and really I was just trying to get some dialogue going about the shows.

.

Whether it does any good or not is not for me to say, but Stevie usually does end up wearing a scarf at outdoor venues. This happens in her solo shows as well. She didn't do it when she was younger, but she does it now.

Michele

[Deeshere]

Not offended at all, just wondering where you're going with this. No worries!

I would love to tell you where I am going with this, what I think and why, but I really don't feel like I can. No offense. I am not just saying that to you directly, but also the board. There are too many hot buttons with people and I really don't want to argue with anyone.

I think the dynamics of the band are fascinating, so I have reviewed a lot of material and have tried to be objective about my views. That's why I am willing to concede that somethings maybe different than what I originally though they were when someone brings up a different point of view.

Overall I think I have a decent case to make as to what could be going on, but I think I should save that for a later time.

No one can say what may or may not be going on with Stevie and Lindsey except Stevie and Lindsey. The only absolute way to know what is or is not going on is if Stevie and/or Lindsey say so directly. Other than that it is just speculation and I really don't think speculation it should be considered offensive or upset anyone. However, I can see why some people might take offense if the speculation goes against whatever they like or want.

So, as I know I have most likely already made myself a social pariah and will just shut up about it and go back to lurking.

[jannieC]

Stevie can look downright mournful sometimes and the way her lids hood her brown eyes can make her expression even more so.

I'm trying to remember when I last cried at an FM concert. It may have been during the SYW tour.

Michele

Mournful-Yes! And my tears had nothing to do with those two- all about me...lol.

As far as the John controversy, I wonder if he is just tired in the photo? All it takes is one second for someone's expression to take on a whole new meaning. I haven't watched the video though. I definitely do not think for one minute that John cares about being in the limelight, though. If anything was up, it may have been personal. I love when Mick introduces John at shows and the crowd goes nuts. He deserves it!

[CADreaming]

Possibly. But that shtick makes him lots of money ;)

Just to clarify, that schtick comment wasn't mine. :)

[elle]

Just to clarify, that schtick comment wasn't mine. :)
yeah, it would be nice if people would make an effort to figure out how to quote when posting. there were bunch of confusing comments in this thread most coming from just one person which look like they are coming from numerous different people because that one person didn't quote properly.

Overall I think I have a decent case to make as to what could be going on, but I think I should save that for a later time.
while we are making stuff up here's my little contribution:

i was at that Jones Beach show so i have additional insight. there was a full moon. it was warm and breezy and most of the audience was wearing sleeveless shirts while SN and LB wore layers of long sleeves throughout the show. seems pretty clear these people are vampires, or at least LB. :rolleyes: i could see his fangs coming out as those young girls told him they were born in 1994. i guess since he couldn't feed on them he had to do it with SN when they were backstage before the final encore... she had to wear a scarf to cover what happened. JM had delayed reaction and got mad about all that by the time of their San Diego show. and MF is just enjoying everything that's going on. :shrug:

:sorry: couldn't resist!

[CADreaming]

yeah, it would be nice if people would make an effort to figure out how to quote when posting. there were bunch of confusing comments in this thread most coming from just one person which look like they are coming from numerous different people because that one person didn't quote properly.


while we are making stuff up here's my little contribution:

i was at that Jones Beach show so i have additional insight. there was a full moon. it was warm and breezy and most of the audience was wearing sleeveless shirts while SN and LB wore layers of long sleeves throughout the show. seems pretty clear these people are vampires, or at least LB. :rolleyes: i could see his fangs coming out as those young girls told him they were born in 1994. i guess since he couldn't feed on them he had to do it with SN when they were backstage before the final encore... she had to wear a scarf to cover what happened. JM had delayed reaction and got mad about all that by the time of their San Diego show. and MF is just enjoying everything that's going on. :shrug:

:sorry: couldn't resist!

Elle! Be for REAL! You know good & well LB PREFERS Stevie blood! Sheesh! ;):D

[michelej1]

Fleetwood Mac takes America once again

Sacramento Press [click for photos]
http://www.sacramentopress.com/headline/84381/Fleetwood_Mac_takes_America_once_again

by Patricia Willers, published on July 8, 2013at 1:38 AM

On tour for the first time in three years, Fleetwood Mac played Sleep Train Arena Saturday night, and it is now safe to say they made up for their cancelled show four years ago. Sacramento was the last stop in the U.S., so the group was ready for a much-needed break, and this fueled them to play a great show. Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham played for almost three hours, even after starting the show a little late. At the end of the show and after two encores, Nicks and Fleetwood remained onstage and spoke, both loquaciously grateful to their lifetime fans. Those in the crowd were just as appreciative to have another chance to hear such a classic group from their past.

To start the show, Buckingham and Nicks walked out onto the stage hand-in-hand, much to the delight of the audience. Everyone looked happy to be on stage performing again, and Buckingham even went as far as to vocalize it.

“…It appears that there are still quite a few chapters left in the book of Fleetwood Mac!”

Since “Fleetwood Mac Live 2013” marks the 35th anniversary of “Rumours,” the group made sure to play from the album right off the bat. They didn’t stop there, but also included songs from their many albums, “Tusk,” “The Dance” and their new EP, “Extended Play,” among them.

Everyone in the audience had a favorite song, and what was amazing was that it was never the same as the person next to them. Drummers loved Fleetwood’s enthusiastic drum breaks, and those who had a hankering to play guitar—either now or in earlier years—loved Buckingham going solo in “Big Love.”

Buckingham gave it his all and the audience just ate it up. He rarely left the stage, and when he did, it was for just seconds and a guitar switch. Overall it was really Buckingham that ran the show. Whether alongside Fleetwood Mac or touring on his own, he is clearly still at the top of his game.

One after another the hits came, and during “Landslide” everybody took a moment to remember. All around it was still, and people were somewhere else, in another time and possibly with another person. There was a sway to the audience and dreams, past or present, floating about in the air. We are getting older, yes, but that voice hasn’t changed a bit. If anything, it's getting richer.

The moment was only somewhat repeated during “Silver Springs.” Audience members were so riled up by that point that the cheering didn’t fully cease. The ballad was sung during the second encore and at the end of a memorable night, everyone was appreciating what Fleetwood Mac, and in particular what Nicks’ voice, could do.

This was my moment to think back, although admitting exactly how is certainly going to date me—and not in the way you’d expect. “Silver Springs” was the one that made me a convert. I remember thinking, “Who is this?”

Like so many others in the crowd around me, I was taken back to the moment when I first fell in love with the voice of Stevie Nicks. I was back shooting hoops in the barn in middle school, the smell of dust on my fingers—half soil, half WD-40.

“Gypsy” was another great moment. It was then that Nicks really let go. Instead of a drum break, there was a lovely dance break, enchanting witchcraft gypsy style.

An acoustic Nicks and Buckingham duet, “Say Goodbye,” sent everyone home. Throughout the show, Nicks was affectionate towards Buckingham in a sweet and intriguing way that made you wonder if their relationship was really over. It was during this last song that it really hit a chord. Perhaps this is just how rumors start, but there seemed to be a sad tune of unrequited love in the air. Let’s hope they make one more album about it.

Their current world tour began in April and will continue to Europe, after which the group will carry on to Australia for the end of the year. Continue to follow the tour on Twitter with the hashtag, #FleetwoodMac2013. Their new EP, released in April, can be purchased on iTunes. The release of “Extended Play” is in addition to the re-release of “Rumours” in the form of a deluxe edition that includes live tracks. Watch their website for more updates because they’ll be back, Fleetwood said so.

[SadAngel86]

while we are making stuff up here's my little contribution:

i was at that Jones Beach show so i have additional insight. there was a full moon. it was warm and breezy and most of the audience was wearing sleeveless shirts while SN and LB wore layers of long sleeves throughout the show. seems pretty clear these people are vampires, or at least LB. :rolleyes: i could see his fangs coming out as those young girls told him they were born in 1994. i guess since he couldn't feed on them he had to do it with SN when they were backstage before the final encore... she had to wear a scarf to cover what happened. JM had delayed reaction and got mad about all that by the time of their San Diego show. and MF is just enjoying everything that's going on. :shrug:

:sorry: couldn't resist!

Oh wow, elle! That's some imagery!:laugh::laugh:

[Deeshere]

I am sorry if I offended you Elle and I am also sorry if I have not figured out how to correctly quote someone (as you can see I am not quoting you because I obviously am too computer illiterate to figure out how to do it properly).

Also, as to making stuff up. I think you are being a little harsh. I never said anything definitively. It was speculation and I even conceded in later post that I could be wrong (though I think I still have a right to my own opinion) I would never ridicule anything you might say, because I respect your opinion. The most you might get from me is a respectful disagreement.

I just don't get why any speculation is so offensive. Besides the great music isn't a large part of Fleetwood Mac's appeal just that "speculation". Didn't Lindsey say that the reason the Rumours album became such a big hit was because it brought out the voyeur in the fans ?

Don't Stevie and Lindsey (even now) both continue to invite speculation and titillate fans with their lyrics and interviews?

So again, I apologize for being offensive to you and to anyone else I may have offended with my comments, but for me the speculation is part of fun of being a Mac fan as well as loving all their great music. I truly wish that we could all talk freely about what we think and agree or disagree with each other, but I am not sure that's possible. Much Love Anyway.

[vivfox]

Deeshere, why don't you share with us what you've been dying to say. You keep saying how you are going to offend people and so you decided to keep it to yourself. Nonsense. Spill those beans NOW! We are dying to read what your opinions are.
I loved elle's version of the reason for the scarfs. That makes sense to me, the fox.

[CADreaming]

^Hey Deeshere, don't let anybody spoil your good time. It just helps if you know the cast of characters here & have tough skin.

Enjoy! :)

[CADreaming]

Deeshere, why don't you share with us what you've been dying to say. You keep saying how you are going to offend people and so you decided to keep it to yourself. Nonsense. Spill those beans NOW! We are dying to read what your opinions are.
I loved elle's version of the reason for the scarfs. That makes sense to me, the fox.

Yeah share- but be prepared to be ripped to shreds! Lol.

[Deeshere]

Well Viv, you seem to be a sweetheart, but the problem is I don't want to be ripped to shreds :)

Like I have said before there's a lot of speculation and the ONLY way to know what is or is not going on for sure is if someone in the band actually says something.

Besides like I was telling Dee, my theory is long (encompassing several years) and would take some time to explain.

See the reason I mentioned anything as all was I wanted to get some feed back from other fans that have been around longer and too bounce some of my ideas off everyone to see what they thought, to maybe try and test my theories.

Now I just think I should drop it and talk about other things.

[DashingDan]

I don't understand what is being discussed on this thread any longer! I'm so confused! Auuugh! I need a Dexamethasone patch on my neck because I've been screaming so much!

[CADreaming]

I don't understand what is being discussed on this thread any longer! I'm so confused! Auuugh! I need a Dexamethasone patch on my neck because I've been screaming so much!

Ha! It's ok, it's ok. I think the topic was Sacramento. :D

[jannieC]

I don't understand what is being discussed on this thread any longer! I'm so confused! Auuugh! I need a Dexamethasone patch on my neck because I've been screaming so much!

I'm confused, too. Is the speculation that John McVie is pissed about something?

This reminds me of when someone says, "hey guess what?" and you say "what" and they say "nevermind."

[CADreaming]

I'm confused, too. Is the speculation that John McVie is pissed about something?

This reminds me of when someone says, "hey guess what?" and you say "what" and they say "nevermind."

It started out as that & mixed a little shipper stuff too.

[jannieC]

It started out as that & mixed a little shipper stuff too.

I just caught up. What's more offensive to me is that it keeps getting brought up, vaguely, and then dropped. Who cares about offending each other about people we don't know? It's all just speculation! But now I am curious! :laugh:

[CADreaming]

I just caught up. What's more offensive to me is that it keeps getting brought up, vaguely, and then dropped. Who cares about offending each other about people we don't know? It's all just speculation! But now I am curious! :laugh:

Well she got scared off - I can't blame her.

[michelej1]

Well she got scared off - I can't blame her.

I'm sure there are lots of other places where they wouldn't scare off that sort of talk though. So, it's all good.

Wearing a scarf myself, but not the Stevie kind. Mine is wool plaid and it's not masking a scandal.

Michele

[CADreaming]

I'm sure there are lots of other places where they wouldn't scare off that sort of talk though. So, it's all good.

Wearing a scarf myself, but not the Stevie kind. Mine is wool plaid and it's not masking a scandal.

Michele

Lol! Must get stuffy though. ;)

[michelej1]

Lol! Must get stuffy though. ;)

Did you hear Stevie say she was tired of being a cleaning lady and a waitress back then, but she could go back to it in a minute?

I imagine so, if she took Karen with her. Michele

[michelej1]

Fleetwood Mac: Chain ... keeps them together

Sacramento Press [click for 67 pictures]

http://www.sacramentopress.com/headline/84389/Fleetwood_Mac_Chain_keeps_them_together

by Barry Wisdom, published on July 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Supergroup Fleetwood Mac closed out the U.S. portion of its Live 2013 tour at Sacramento's Sleep Train Arena Saturday (July 6) evening, delivering everything a fan could want (sans Christine McVie).

Founding members John McVie and Mick Fleetwood, as well as Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks – who joined the group in 1975 – were present to fuel the emotion-filled nostalgia fest that had fans on their feet with camera phones held high, just as they (and possibly their children) had done with butane-filled lighters back in the day.

The tour, which kicked off in April, resumes in September with a spate of dates in the United Kingdom and Europe before continuing south-of-the-equator for concerts in Australia and New Zealand.

[bombaysaffires]

Well she got scared off - I can't blame her.

I didn't see a single thing from anyone that would remotely cause someone to be scared off... Now, maybe there was something that happened in another thread at another time, but..... :shrug:

[CADreaming]

Did you hear Stevie say she was tired of being a cleaning lady and a waitress back then, but she could go back to it in a minute?

I imagine so, if she took Karen with her. Michele

:laugh::laugh: I did hear that! It made me think for a second. Maybe she was practicing with the frakenboks but bossing Karen around makes more sense. "Karen, order up! Karen, table 2 like now! Karen, where's my tip?!" Lol

[elle]

Here's two minutes of the Without You intro. I turned it around in Windows Movie Maker

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/69863010" width="500" height="375" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/69863010">Sacramento07062013</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user9972923">Michele JL</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

thank you!! :xoxo:

[michelej1]

thank you!! :xoxo:

The red light was on, so I thought I was taping it from the beginning, but did not realize until the phone shut itself off that I was not recording. So, then I rebooted and PUSHED THE BUTTON (duh) and the red light was blinking, so I knew it was running. But then in the end the guy next to me kept hitting my arm and I just gave up.

Michele

[elle]

The red light was on, so I thought I was taping it from the beginning, but did not realize until the phone shut itself off that I was not recording. So, then I rebooted and PUSHED THE BUTTON (duh) and the red light was blinking, so I knew it was running. But then in the end the guy next to me kept hitting my arm and I just gave up.

Michele

still - what you recorded is definitely worth it!! i'm so glad you got it!

a bit hard to hear everything from all the yelling around you, but good to know people are responding.

[CADreaming]

I didn't see a single thing from anyone that would remotely cause someone to be scared off... Now, maybe there was something that happened in another thread at another time, but..... :shrug:

I should have said "maybe" got scared off.

[rhiannon22]

I like speculation!!! Let's hear it! :nod:

[Aussie W/Heart]

I like speculation!!! Let's hear it! :nod:

Definitely!! :D

[StreetAngel86]

I'm confused, too. Is the speculation that John McVie is pissed about something?

This reminds me of when someone says, "hey guess what?" and you say "what" and they say "nevermind."


Apparently Lindsey is a vampire
He attacked Stevie's neck
hence her scarf
and John got jealous ... over Stevie ... over Lindsey that's unclear

that's what i got from this thread about "sacramento"


:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Blueletter18]

The end of the line. It was one of those bittersweet nights when joy becomes history. But there were no tears from the band.

The show was great. I love the way you first see it's going to be most a magic and manic night during The Chain when Lindsey runs back to his mic as soon as John's solo is over and jumps up after the close.

Stevie says the've been on the road for 3 months and this is their last show in America, so they plan to have a ____ she stops herself and says, "Don't swear, Stevie. That being said, this party starts NOW."

For the NTF intro, Lindsey observes as he has in the past that 'it smells like you guys are having a good time down there.' He talks about the axiom which describes the process of identifying a formula, exploiting it, using it up and then moving on to something else.

At the beginning of Sisters of the Moon, I can hear Lindsey counting of "1, 2, 3, 4" even though he's not in front of his mic. I am happy with the way the song has ended up. Musically, it rocked harder in 1982, but I think Stevie's energy is pretty high for it and I'm somewhat surprised that she's remained so up and intense for the entire tour, when you consider that this is a song that -- if we believe Mick -- she's resisted doing for some time. I love the bite she's put into it.

For Big Love, Lindsey does play with the audience. He says it was written in 1987, "before you were born." I don't know what the people said in response to him. But he said, "hmmm" and contemplates a further response before declaring, "I could of blew the whole vibe there." He talks to them some more, but I can't hear the conversation.

For Landslide, Lindsey and Stevie don't play around. She says she dedicates it to friends and family and she does have friends and family there tonight.

To Bob Fogel whom she's known since she was a freshman in college, "if you can believe that." And to the Schneider family, the family of her best friend Robin. And mostly she dedicates it to the fans.

For Without You Stevie says that the introduction started at 3 minutes and she thinks it's lasted for up to 9 minutes since then, it won't be 9 minutes tonight -- or maybe it will. She says that when she wrote it in the early seventies she and Lindsey were "going out" [Going out?? I've never been so insulted in my entire life]. She says they were in the middle of a musical love affair in San Francisco during that exciting era.

She wrote a poem and she thinks it's the most beautiful thing she's ever written about them, not just about Lindsey but about the two of them. They made a cassette of the poem and then it disappeared for a time. They lost it [before she was saying that she and Lindsey never noticed it was gone]. She says she doesn't know if one of their sleazy friends took it or if one of their nice friends took it because he didn't think they would miss or care about it, but whatever, it disappeared. She says that this is the part of the story where Lindsey walks away [he walked over to Mick] because he is wondering what she is talking about.


Then her friends the song again on Youtube and she had them make a cd of it so she could play it for Lindsey.

She played it and asked Lindsey if he remembered it. Lindsey said that's us [which I guess means he did NOT remember the song. He just can recognize his own voice from 40 years ago.]

She says Mick said remember that's what attracted him to them and somewhere at the beginning of the tour, Lindsey stepped in and said, "Now hang on. That's not what attracted Mick to us. Mick puts his drum sticks over his face and Stevie chides him, "Don't hide Mick. Don't hide." She says that Lindsey reminded her that their guitar player quit and what they needed was a lead guitarist." Then she said that Lindsey didn't say it, but she herself said, "and no where in the words Lead Guitarist does it say and his hippy girlfriend."

So, she says that this is the part where she hands the story over to Lindsey. . Lindsey takes the mic and says, "Me? Me?" He goes through his phone conversation with Mick and says that he wouldn't join unless they took his girlfriend, ending his segment by saying, "NOW THAT'S LOVE, BABY."

Stevie laughs and says that now that Mr. Buckingham has stated such a sweet sentiment, she wants to thank all of the men in the band.

She thanks John saying that he was married to the other woman in the band [what what? I'm drawing a blank here] and never said, "I don't think this is a good idea." She said that John could have trashed the whole thing, but they'll talk about THAT side of the story on the next part of the tour when they go to Australia, she bets John can't wait!

I notice that Brett and Mick point to each other at the end of [I]ISA.

During Stand Back, I think Stevie missed the line, "one man did not fall" but it was hardly noticeable. I guess I don't look at Neale a lot, but this is the first time I noticed that he is wearing a sequins jacket. Stevie smiles broadly at him as he plays his part and during the song Lindsey cranes his neck to take a peek at Brett over there in the corner and they both have a good laugh over an inside joke, no doubt.

During GYOW, once Lindsey jumps down from the drum kit, I smile because we've talked about George and Gracie being old, but the way Stevie follows Lindsey as he circles, she is hunched over and makes me think of Groucho Marx. All she is missing is the cigar. He used to do a kind of duck walk while pacing in that rhythmic fashion.

After GYOW a lady hopped onto the stage. She'd been trying to angle her way into position to do this all night and finally succeeded. Stevie calmly told her, "You can't do that. You can't do that" and gestured to her. Later, instead of removing her from the audience, you can see Stevie mouthing a conversation with her during other songs telling her if she gets crawls back onto stage she will have security come from the back and push her off. She makes a shoving motion with her hands. I wish they'd thrown the woman out and instead of making a pushing gesture at her, I wish Stevie had pantomimed all of the other things that security might do to her: hit her with a baseball bat. Handcuff and drag her off. Taser her. A little staccato chop across the throat to signify a beheading. My imagination runs wild with all the things Stevie could have done to discourage further antics.

I hadn't noticed this before, but I like the way the lights blink bright when Mick asks the audience a question. It encourages a response back from the audience. "Are you with me?" Yes, everyone screams back.

At the end of Don't Stop I love the way the video camera is roving over all four of them. Lindsey, Mick, Stevie, John, Lindsey, Mick, Stevie, John, the movement matching the frenzied climax of the song.

The thing about Say Goodbye is that Lindsey's intro in 2003 was about peace and reconciliation. It's not about that now. He's not saying that all the drama is gone from their life or that their relationship is better than it's ever been. All he says it's that their illusions have fallen away. You need to hold on to dreams at one point in your life and then you need to discard them to grow.

At any rate, Stevie isn't shaking her head tonight. She's looking back at Lindsey somberly.

Tonight, after the group bow, John and Lindsey hug as well.

In her dreamcatcher speech Stevie says that this is the last show in America and she can't tell us how thrilled she is. She can't wait to take a break. She says they've done 48 concerts and this is probably the hardest tour they've done. It's 2 hours and 30-40 minutes long, as she's sure we know and she points out, "and we aren't young."

But they've been throwing out songs to us and we throw them back for 35 years now and it has made her fall in love with us all over again.

For his part, Mick says that this is not their last concert by far and we should remember that "The Mac will be back."

Then, it's over and I leave -- with all of my illusions still intact, actually. Thank you Fleetwood Mac. Live 2013.

As many have said, BEAUTIFUL review, michele, and great way to sum up the emotions at the end of a wonderful tour.

[Deeshere]

No, Dee I did not get scared off just buried at work. I will come back and speculate if you really want me to. I will need a bullet proof vest to help me try to dodge the bullets that I know some members are going to shoot at me. Love ya :)

[vivfox]

The Chain by concertkid2

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Silver Springs by 1sherikush

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[vivfox]

Don't Stop by concertkid2

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Go Your Own Way by concertkid2

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Landslide includes dedication by FabFields67

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[vivfox]

Landslide includes dedication by 7mllee

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[SteveMacD]

Yes, Stevie got a hickey. Probably from a roadie, but, yes, she got a hickey.

Definitely NOT from Lindsey.

[CADreaming]

Yes, Stevie got a hickey. Probably from a roadie, but, yes, she got a hickey.

Definitely NOT from Lindsey.

In 1976....:laugh:

[SteveMacD]

For the NTF intro, Lindsey observes as he has in the past that 'it smells like you guys are having a good time down there.'
Might be the greatest thing he's said in the past 20 years or so!!!

For Big Love, Lindsey does play with the audience. He says it was written in 1987, "before you were born."
1. It HAD to have been written before 1987, because it was released in EARLY 1987. 2. I was just getting my pu...that first step we all take that becomes adulthood in 1987. Point being, I was clearly more than a twinkle in whoever's eye at that point.

they'll talk about THAT side of the story on the next part of the tour when they go to Australia, she bets John can't wait!
I bet he can't wait, either...

I notice that Brett and Mick point to each other at the end of ISA.
Or, as they call it, "Shakin' The Cage." (Probably not true.)

After GYOW a lady hopped onto the stage. She'd been trying to angle her way into position to do this all night and finally succeeded. Stevie calmly told her, "You can't do that. You can't do that" and gestured to her. Later, instead of removing her from the audience, you can see Stevie mouthing a conversation with her during other songs telling her if she gets crawls back onto stage she will have security come from the back and push her off.
It wasn't Mary Lou Lord, was it? (Roadie joke, but seriously, it wasn't, was it?)

I wish Stevie had pantomimed all of the other things that security might do to her
Cast a Satanic spell??? (C'mon, we've all had to go there when explaining our love of the band.)

For his part, Mick says that this is not their last concert by far and we should remember that "The Mac will be back."
He's been saying that since at least 1994.

[SteveMacD]

In 1976....:laugh:
THAT was the least of what she got in 1976 from roadies...








(Yes, plural.)

[michelej1]

He's been saying that since at least 1994.

He usually says, "The Mac is back." This time he changed it from the present tense to indicate their hiatus.

Michele

[jannieC]

Yes, Stevie got a hickey. Probably from a roadie, but, yes, she got a hickey.

Definitely NOT from Lindsey.

Wait. In the middle of a show? Like, she was backstage, changing shawls and started making out with someone who then went down her neck??? :laugh:

[CADreaming]

Wait. In the middle of a show? Like, she was backstage, changing shawls and started making out with someone who then went down her neck??? :laugh:

Jannie, stop. You know she doesn't do a shawl change right before that encore. :D

[fairydust75]

[QUOTE=SteveMacD;1098443]THAT was the least of what she got in 1976 from roadies...

Ha:laugh:.....you guys are so funny....

[vivfox]

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Go Your Own Way by bmsdrums777

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[vivfox]

Gold Dust Woman by bmsdrums777

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[vivfox]

Gypsy by Jason DeBord

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Brandon will like this because of the extreme guitar closeups and elle will be happy because it primarily features Lindsey.

[vivfox]

Stand Back by Jason DeBord

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[vivfox]

Rhiannon by bmsdrums777

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[Desiree]

Really, Really I am not trying to start anything. I respect everyone's opinion. I can understand her wearing a scar to protect her voice, however I don't know how much good it will do when you wear it to just sing the last 2 songs in the show.
Also her wearing a scarf around her neck is really NOT the reason I think more could have been going on that night. There was more going on during that show than her just walking out on stage wearing a scarf. If it was a regular show and she walked out on stage wearing a scarf around her neck I would not have thought anything else about it.

I knew I might ruffle feathers when I said something and really I was just trying to get some dialogue going about the shows.

I know this is not a favorable topic, so I will just shut up now.

For God's sake, girl! Just stiffen your backbone and tell it, please. If you aren't going to , please stop teasing! IT IS MADDENING!!!!!!!! C'mon let's hear it....

[fairydust75]

For God's sake, girl! Just stiffen your backbone and tell it, please. If you aren't going to , please stop teasing! IT IS MADDENING!!!!!!!! C'mon let's hear it....

Yeah, please spill it. Its all bark, no actual biting. That is, none that I am aware of anyway.:angel:

[vivfox]

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[vivfox]

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[michelej1]

Without You Intro by XxsilverspringsxX



I'm glad to have this. Michele

[vivfox]

I'm glad to have this.
Michele


I'm glad to have you(in my life).

[vivfox]

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[Desiree]

I'm glad to have you(in my life).

Vivfox, that is just such a sweet thing to say to Michele...I've just come back on board recently but I remember you from before. I was Silly...short for Sillydremer, not Sillydreamer. Anyway, not only was the thank you from you, Michele, sweet...those two little statements were simply lovely for anyone to come upon.:xoxo:

[vivfox]

Vivfox, that is just such a sweet thing to say to Michele...I've just come back on board recently but I remember you from before. I was Silly...short for Sillydremer, not Sillydreamer. Anyway, not only was the thank you from you, Michele, sweet...those two little statements were simply lovely for anyone to come upon.:xoxo:

I pride myself on having a very good memory but I can't recall you by the name Silly. What made you decide to return to us after all those years you were away?

Thank you for your nice words.