New Deluxe Edition of Then Play On due on the 19th Aug 2013

[Andrew Smith]

I found out about this today on another forum. It looks like there's one bonus track. Looks like the UK track listing aswell with the bonus track being World In Harmony, which is tagged on at the end. I just hope the remastering and updated packaging is acceptable. I'm also hoping that this means that the rest of the catalogue is going to get the same treatment soon. Hopefully 1970's Kiln House to 1974's Heroes Are Hard To Find and 1980's Live to 1990's Behind The Mask will follow, although I'm not holding out too much hope yet. The new Deluxe Edition of Then Play On is being released by Rhino/Warner.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Then-Play-On/dp/B00DB624GS/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1371951654&sr=1-1&keywords=then+play+on+rhino

[aleuzzi]

I found out about this today on another forum. It looks like there's one bonus track. Looks like the UK track listing aswell with the bonus track being World In Harmony, which is tagged on at the end. I just hope the remastering and updated packaging is acceptable. I'm also hoping that this means that the rest of the catalogue is going to get the same treatment soon. Hopefully 1970's Kiln House to 1974's Heroes Are Hard To Find and 1980's Live to 1990's Behind The Mask will follow, although I'm not holding out too much hope yet. The new Deluxe Edition of Then Play On is being released by Rhino/Warner.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Then-Play-On/dp/B00DB624GS/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1371951654&sr=1-1&keywords=then+play+on+rhino

And Green Manalishi, which was never included on any previous edition of TPO.

Wish there was some material we couldn't get anywhere else. Let's face it, there has to be something. Or maybe the Vaudeville years shores up all the remaining material.

[sharksfan2000]

And Green Manalishi, which was never included on any previous edition of TPO.

Wish there was some material we couldn't get anywhere else. Let's face it, there has to be something. Or maybe the Vaudeville years shores up all the remaining material.
And "Oh Well" Parts 1 and 2 tacked on at the end of the original UK track order for the album as well (as most people here know, the original album did not include "Oh Well"). I hope they do a good job of remastering the audio for all of this - it has long needed it.

I suspect you're right that the Vaudeville Years and Show-Biz Blues sets already cleaned out the vaults for unissued studio material during that period. It would be nice to have a more complete collection of BBC recordings than the one that's already been issued - wonder if the remaining tracks that we know were recorded for the BBC either no longer exist or only exist in such poor audio quality that they didn't feel they could release them with the earlier set.

[wetcamelfood]

It would be nice to have a more complete collection of BBC recordings than the one that's already been issued - wonder if the remaining tracks that we know were recorded for the BBC either no longer exist or only exist in such poor audio quality that they didn't feel they could release them with the earlier set.

Yeah could be. As much as I'm clamoring to get the original World In Harmony on CD quality, I won't get my hopes up for this set sounding better as I recall Martin Birch saying there are clicks all over the place in the original master tape due to the work they had done on it at the time not realizing that was the ramification. Hopefully they can be digitally smoothed over though like a pop/click effect in mp3 editing software when transferring from vinyl etc. :)

I'm guessing this page relates to the same item (for those that would prefer to order from Amazon US)

http://www.amazon.com/Then-Play-Fleetwood-Mac/dp/B00DB624GS/ref=sr_1_11?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1372007483&sr=1-11&keywords=fleetwood+mac+Then+Play+On

Not much but I'll take it. :)

John

[becca]

Deep joy!

I'll buy it if it has a thick little booklet. I kind of prefer Oh Well in the two parts as well.

I like Dead Shrimp Blues in the low-fi version I have, it sounds like some old Paramount/Black Patti 78 with bits of delta mud in the grooves! :cool:

Oh, you know an obvious thought for a Disc 2 would be the solo The End Of The Game and 1971-72 singles, and Jeremy's 1970 solo (or would that be best with Kiln House?)

[chiliD]

Oh, you know an obvious thought for a Disc 2 would be the solo The End Of The Game and 1971-72 singles, and Jeremy's 1970 solo (or would that be best with Kiln House?)

Since Jeremy's first solo album was originally intended to be released simultaneously with TPO, that would be more appropos for the 2nd disc of a remastered TPO.

I keep reading every now & then that there are plans to remaster The End Of The Game, and many comments from those involved have said that there's both better takes & better material that was left in the can than what eventually was used for the album.

[becca]

I have my own End Of The Game cobbled together from vinyl and the Reprise CD of the six LP tracks. I would definitely be interested in an official expanded edition though.

[KarmaContestant]

More info here:

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/fleetwood-mac-then-play-on-rhino-august-20th-this-is-a-surprise.321538/

[urbanscot]

Brilliant! Hope they remaster and reissue the other albums, some really need it.

[Andrew Smith]

More info here:

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/fleetwood-mac-then-play-on-rhino-august-20th-this-is-a-surprise.321538/

The Steve Hoffman forum is where I first heard about the Deluxe Edition of Then Play On.

[Andrew Smith]

The big question is whether this is just the start of a Fleetwood Mac back-catologue reissue programme (apart from Fleetwood Mac, Rumours and Tusk which have already been remastered & expanded)?

[chiliD]

The big question is whether this is just the start of a Fleetwood Mac back-catologue reissue programme (apart from Fleetwood Mac, Rumours and Tusk which have already been remastered & expanded)?

And, in the case of Rumours, more than once...twice...(hey, I'm starting to sound like LeBron James here) :laugh:

[KarmaContestant]

The Steve Hoffman forum is where I first heard about the Deluxe Edition of Then Play On.

I just discovered them (Steve Hoffman forums) last week!

[michelej1]

The Morton Report

http://www.themortonreport.com/entertainment/rhino-to-reissue-then-play-on-an-early-fleetwood-mac-classic/

Rhino to Reissue Early Fleetwood Mac Classic Then Play On

1969's Then Play On represents a brave but highly desired reach back into time for Fleetwood Mac fans.

June 24, 2013 By Matt Rowe, Columnist

If we begin to talk about Fleetwood Mac, most will immediately think of the version that employed Lindsay Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. They will remember "Second Hand News," "Sara," and"Go Your Own Way," but likely couldn't hum the first note of a song called "Oh Well." What may surprise many is that the Fleetwood Mac they remember is a refresh of a much older band, older than they realize.

As a brief biographical sketch, Fleetwood Mac began way back in 1967, a full eight years before the self-titled 1975 classic that broke them wide open with "Over My Head," "Say You Love Me," and "Rhiannon." Moreover, the band had already released nine studio albums with several different incarnations of the band. Essentially, the band began with the highly regarded (among fans) but heavily underrated guitarist, Peter Green as well as Jeremy Spencer, soon transitioning with both Danny Kirwan and Bob Welch. The great thing was that all incarnations of the band were great in their own way. And they created vastly different sets of albums. All their albums are loved by various groups of fans. Believe it or not, some fans find earlier incarnations of Fleetwood Mac to be intrinsically better than the one that most know, you know—that famous version.

Without getting into a grand discussion of what albums preceded that groundbreaking 1975 classic, and their various virtues (and we could do that, easily), it is sufficient for the sake of brevity to just simply announced that Rhino Records will be releasing a deluxe edition reissue of the last Peter Green involved album, Then Play On (1969).

Then Play On was Fleetwood Mac's third studio album and is highly regarded by many FM fans. It comes as a bit of a surprise that the major label would green-light an early era reissue of this band that doesn't guarantee a rabid reaction by most people like Rumours would. But there we have it. They are. And early fans couldn't be happier.


The details are quite sketchy at this point concerning bonus track inclusions (if any) or whether they will go with the original UK track-listing rather than the punctured US release that left several songs off from the UK edition. Nevertheless, it's exciting news.

Currently scheduled for August 19 (UK) and August 20 (US), the Rhino-shine edition of Then Play On will make scores of early Fleetwood Mac fans very, very happy. And what is even more exciting is the possibility that if this does well, Rhino Records might revisit Heroes Are Hard To Find (1974), Bare Trees (1972), Kiln House
(1970), and even Mystery To Me (1973). Of course, there are others. But the above mentioned hopefuls will be a great start if they see the light of day.

[KarmaContestant]

I've had a vinyl copy of Then Play On since 1987, handed down from my uncle...and admittedly never really given it a chance. There's no Stevie, no Christine, no Lindsey - why would I?

That said, I'll be picking up this reissue and using it to get aquainted with this era of the band. Hopefully, more will follow.

I do wonder though if it will be remastered, or if it is just a new release of an old master? It's not really clear.

[michelej1]

Vintage Vinyl News

http://www.vintagevinylnews.com/2013/06/preview-then-play-on-deluxe-edition.html

Artist: Fleetwood Mac
Title: Then Play On: Deluxe Edition
Release Date: August 20, 2013
Label: Rhino
Format(s): CD, DD

Fleetwood Mac's third album, and first for Warner Brothers, Then Play On will be released in a deluxe edition via Rhino on August 20.

The 18-track set combines the various releases that came out in 1969. The original U.K. LP contained fourteen tracks but the first U.S. release (September 1969) omitted two tracks (One Sunny Day and Without You which would later show up on the compilation English Rose). Two months later, the U.S. edition would be re-released, deleting the songs When You Say and My Dream and adding the progressive radio hit Oh Well. In addition, there were changes in the track order.

The new release presents the U.K. version of the album in the original track order, the single Oh Well (Parts 1 and 2) and the single The Green Manalishi (With the Two Pronged Crown) / World in Harmony. No word yet on new books or other items included in the set.

Track List:

•Original U.K. Release (September 1969)
◦Coming Your Way
◦Closing My Eyes
◦Fighting for Madge
◦When You Say
◦Show Biz Blues
◦Underway
◦One Sunny Day
◦Although the Sun Is Shining
◦Rattlesnake Shake
◦Without You
◦Searching for Madge
◦My Dream
◦Like Crying
◦Before the Beginning
•Added for Second U.S. Release (November 1969)
◦Oh Well, Part 1
◦Oh Well, Part 2
•Single, May 1970
◦The Green Manalishi (With the Two Pronged Crown)
◦World in Harmony


Read more: http://www.vintagevinylnews.com/2013/06/preview-then-play-on-deluxe-edition.html#ixzz2XJ3L1PLr

[iamnotafraid]

It's more than just that title.
On August 20, 2013 I have
another listed...

Fleetwood Mac 1969 - 1972 (4LP with 7" Vinyl Single)


Interesting.

[wetcamelfood]

It's more than just that title.
On August 20, 2013 I have
another listed...

Fleetwood Mac 1969 - 1972 (4LP with 7" Vinyl Single)


Interesting.

Gotta be TPO, KH, FG & BT+ Dragonfly/Purple Dancer single...

John

[dansven]

Gotta be TPO, KH, FG & BT+ Dragonfly/Purple Dancer single...

Yes, probably. It sounds like a great package. And long overdue.

It should have contained the Green Manalishi/World In Harmony single too.
Let's hope it'll be included on the "Then Play On" LP too. :)

[KarmaContestant]

Gotta be TPO, KH, FG & BT+ Dragonfly/Purple Dancer single...

John

Supposed details:

All Lp's standard weight.

- Then Play On (Gatefold)
- Bare Trees (Gatefold)
- Klin House (Single sleeve)
- Future Games (Single sleeve)
- A surprise 7' single

[michelej1]

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn2/michelej1/tpo_zpsf64f714c.jpg (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/michelej1/media/tpo_zpsf64f714c.jpg.html)

Exclaim, June 28, 2013 by Alex Hudson

http://exclaim.ca/News/fleetwood_macs_early_years_chronicled_with_new_box_set_expanded_reissue

Fleetwood Mac are most commonly remembered for their classic mid-late '70s period, when Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks were in the band and they recorded classic albums like Rumors (1977) and Tusk (1979). Next, however, the band's early period will be explored with a reissue and a vinyl box set, which will arrive on August 20 via Rhino.

The box set is called Fleetwood Mac: 1969-1972, and it includes four albums from the years indicated in the title. These are the band's first four records for Reprise: Then Play On (1969), Kiln House (1970), Future Games (1971) and Bare Trees (1972). These have been pressed on 140-gram vinyl and come in their own reproductions of the original sleeves.

The set documents the band's transition from the blues of their early work to the folk and pop sounds that characterized their most popular period. It comes with a bonus 7-inch: a replica of the 1969 single for "Oh Well - Pt. 1" and "Oh Well - Pt. 2." The albums themselves don't include any extra material.

As for the aforementioned stand-alone reissue, it's an expanded CD version of Then Play On. This was the band's last album with co-founder Peter Green as a full member. The remastered and expanded edition features the original UK running order and is fleshed out with four bonus tracks initially released as singles, plus new liner notes.

[wetcamelfood]

Aw man, if the single was Dragonfly/Purple Dancer they had me sold but now, meh, they must've used the UK TPO track listing on this vinyl issue of TPO as they can't reasonably do a vinyl version of what will be on the new TPO remaster (and have it sound good)?

John

[dansven]

It seems like a nice Box set. But the Green Manalishi and Dragonfly singles should have been included...

[becca]

I'll be buying the CD at least...

THEN PLAY ON: EXPANDED EDITION
Track Listing

1. “Coming Your Way”
2. “Closing My Eyes”
3. “Fighting For Madge”
4. “When You Say”
5. “Show Biz Blues”
6. “Underway”
7. “One Sunny Day”
8. “Although The Sun Is Shining”
9. “Rattlesnake Shake”
10. “Without You”
11. “Searching For Madge”
12. “My Dream”
13. “Like Crying”
14. “Before The Beginning”
Bonus Tracks
15. “Oh Well - Pt. 1”
16. “Oh Well - Pt. 2”
17. “The Green Manalishi (With The Two Prong Crown)”
18. “World In Harmony”

http://www.rhino.com/article/fleetwood-mac-plays-on-again

[LesPaul7]

Wow I am late but YESSSSSSSSSSS!!! It would be amazing if Oh Well was remastered in stereo.

[Murrow]

So basically it anthologises the brief period when the Greenie and Warners eras overlapped.

If this goes well, Kiln House with Dragonfly and Purple Dancer appended would be great as would Mirage, Tango and BTM with all their accompanying B-sides (whoops off topic!).

[dino]

So basically it anthologises the brief period when the Greenie and Warners eras overlapped.

If this goes well, Kiln House with Dragonfly and Purple Dancer appended would be great as would Mirage, Tango and BTM with all their accompanying B-sides (whoops off topic!).

Never heard of those ;).

[slipkid]

I consider TPO on par with big rock bands like Zeppelin/Stones/Who/Cream. Rumours is near my Eagles Greatest hits parts one and two.

[slipkid]

So basically it anthologises the brief period when the Greenie and Warners eras overlapped.

If this goes well, Kiln House with Dragonfly and Purple Dancer appended would be great as would Mirage, Tango and BTM with all their accompanying B-sides (whoops off topic!).

TPO was the Green era Rumours, Kiln House was two confused guitarists with no direction, yet great Kirwan songs.

The UK TPO songlist is (ala Beatles Parlaphone) the proper song-list the US never heard. I like "Fighting for Madge" before "When You Say". It changes the US perspective of a GREAT and underrated ALBUM!

[LesPaul7]

TPO was the Green era Rumours, Kiln House was two confused guitarists with no direction, yet great Kirwan songs.

The UK TPO songlist is (ala Beatles Parlaphone) the proper song-list the US never heard. I like "Fighting for Madge" before "When You Say". It changes the US perspective of a GREAT and underrated ALBUM!

I never fully understood the album until I heard the UK release. Have you ever seen Green's original song line-up?

From Strange Brew:

side 1
Before the Beginning
Like Crying
Rattlesnake Shake
Although the Sun is Shining
Fighting for Madge
Without You
My Dream

side 2
Coming Your Way
Showbiz Blues
When You Say
Underway
One Sunny Day
Closing My Eyes
Searching for Madge

Interesting, most of the tracks remained paired together.

[aleuzzi]

TPO was the Green era Rumours, Kiln House was two confused guitarists with no direction, yet great Kirwan songs.



Agreed that TPO is a masterpiece of great guitar rock and blues. But I would disagree with you that Kiln House lacks direction. While it may be true that Spencer and Kirwan were scare ****less and/or ambivalent about carrying on without Green, the album they made is pretty damn amazing and coherent. It reminds me of the Stone's Exile on Mainstreet, or more accurately what the Stones wanted Exile to be. Spencer's tunes are amazing send ups and homages of sun city sounds, and yes, Kirwan's songs are excellent rock tunes.

[slipkid]

I never fully understood the album until I heard the UK release. Have you ever seen Green's original song line-up?

From Strange Brew:

side 1
Before the Beginning
Like Crying
Rattlesnake Shake
Although the Sun is Shining
Fighting for Madge
Without You
My Dream

side 2
Coming Your Way
Showbiz Blues
When You Say
Underway
One Sunny Day
Closing My Eyes
Searching for Madge

Interesting, most of the tracks remained paired together.


If you're not mocking in 1969, I can see that songlist work. If that was Peter Green's original intent, who stopped him? I can see that songlist work today. "Before the Beginning" was the jewel of the album. Peter Green saw the other side of the rock/blues concept, he broke the restictions. That's how he wrote "The Green Manalishi", which has launched a handful of great late 70's/early 80's British Heavy Metal bands. Ritchie Blackmore was doing the same with Deep Purple in 1969.


It's obvious FM had no influence vs. Warner Brothers. Green felt trapped and left.

[slipkid]

Agreed that TPO is a masterpiece of great guitar rock and blues. But I would disagree with you that Kiln House lacks direction. While it may be true that Spencer and Kirwan were scare ****less and/or ambivalent about carrying on without Green, the album they made is pretty damn amazing and coherent. It reminds me of the Stone's Exile on Mainstreet, or more accurately what the Stones wanted Exile to be. Spencer's tunes are amazing send ups and homages of sun city sounds, and yes, Kirwan's songs are excellent rock tunes.

Kiln House without Peter Green was forcing Jeremy Spencer to recreate songs from the 1950's. Spencer offers NOTHING original to Kiln House. Kirwan does offer original ideas, and they are great.

If Peter Green stayed with FM for say....ten more months post 5/1970, Fleetwood Mac would've been bigger than the Rumours band. If WB released the Boston Tea Party tapes as intended in late 1970, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. Those Boston tapes would trump the Allmans in 1971.

[SteveMacD]

It's obvious FM had no influence vs. Warner Brothers. Green felt trapped and left.
Sorry, I don't buy that. If that was the reason why he left, he wouldn't have released "End of the Game" on Warner Bros. I just don't think he was thinking clearly, even back then. It's clear (at least to me) that there was something going on with his mental health by this point. Really, "Man of the World" is where I see things starting to slip for him. The lyrics on "Then Play On" only show it getting worse, with it reaching critical mass on "The Green Manalishi".

Here's my take: Schizophrenia's onset is typically between the ages of 16 and 25 in men. Peter Green was 24 when he left the band. He was a fragile personality, and the pressures of the industry, drugs, and identifying with the suffering, yet being frustrated that, in spite of his fame and fortune, not being able to make a difference all came together and ultimately lead to his mental breakdown. I think what happened in Germany was the straw that broke the camel's back, but clearly something DID happen. There were too many people who've corroborated the story who otherwise had nothing to do with each other.

[SteveMacD]

Kiln House without Peter Green was forcing Jeremy Spencer to recreate songs from the 1950's. Spencer offers NOTHING original to Kiln House. Kirwan does offer original ideas, and they are great.
Jeremy may not have offered original concepts, but he did write four songs and made contributions to "Station Man". And, from what I've heard, those '50s parodies were the most popular part of Fleetwood Mac's set.

[LesPaul7]

If you're not mocking in 1969, I can see that songlist work. If that was Peter Green's original intent, who stopped him? I can see that songlist work today. "Before the Beginning" was the jewel of the album. Peter Green saw the other side of the rock/blues concept, he broke the restictions. That's how he wrote "The Green Manalishi", which has launched a handful of great late 70's/early 80's British Heavy Metal bands. Ritchie Blackmore was doing the same with Deep Purple in 1969.


It's obvious FM had no influence vs. Warner Brothers. Green felt trapped and left.

It was just his original track list when he started mixing the album, he released it to John Mayall's fanzine.

[becca]

It may be the idea that Fleetwood Mac would be unstoppably huge if Peter had stayed that is mainly why he had to leave not wanting that sort of thing.

My impression of the Berlin thing is that he was enjoying himself and didn't want to leave, was enjoying the pure playing and expression among people who seemed to get it. If it was a bad drug experience shouldn't he have been collapsed and gibbering or panicky or some such? It makes a convenient scapegoat for some people and maybe the acid was 'bad' or different and nudged certain tendencies. I've had a couple 'bad' trips but which I value quiet a lot, I grew a lot from them, yet outwardly I am not as productive as an artist as I once was when I was driven and wanting to prove something. Then again, I am very sympathetic with Pete's thoughts then of giving it all away, owning nothing etc. as I had many thoughts along those lines myself at one time. The Green Manalishi to me anyway is a song about the insidious power of money, this monster we invented for ourselves which traps so many. It is tearing apart the world st6ill today in so many ways, but when it comes down to it is markings on flat two-dimension pieces of paper. It rules most people however! Jesus overturned the money lenders tables in the synagog, yet so many Christians are the 'buyers and sellers' like that pop song my Ocean back in the day (my parents' band used to perform that alongside things like Bad Moon Rising). John Lennon was struggling with many of these things around that time but somehow became a peace icon whereas old Pete is supposed to have become a sad deluded wreck? :shrug:

[becca]

Jeremy may not have offered original concepts, but he did write four songs and made contributions to "Station Man". And, from what I've heard, those '50s parodies were the most popular part of Fleetwood Mac's set.

Together One is something that really grew on me over time, it's almost Bee Gees lyrics with a country-folk expression. As lovely as anything by Fairport or The Byrds.

Mostly all we have are accounts of Jeremy in lame suit with Cliff or Harold or whatever they called it in his pocket. A genuine show stopper in it's time. It wasn't until I heard Elvis on the Madison Blues set where I really started to 'get' that at this remove, and it was hysterical. I often wonder what Phil Ochs might have thought as he was grapsing for something along those lines perhaps too about then. A lot of people were feeling lost around 1970, and looking back in various ways.

[slipkid]

Sorry, I don't buy that. If that was the reason why he left, he wouldn't have released "End of the Game" on Warner Bros. I just don't think he was thinking clearly, even back then. It's clear (at least to me) that there was something going on with his mental health by this point. Really, "Man of the World" is where I see things starting to slip for him. The lyrics on "Then Play On" only show it getting worse, with it reaching critical mass on "The Green Manalishi".

Here's my take: Schizophrenia's onset is typically between the ages of 16 and 25 in men. Peter Green was 24 when he left the band. He was a fragile personality, and the pressures of the industry, drugs, and identifying with the suffering, yet being frustrated that, in spite of his fame and fortune, not being able to make a difference all came together and ultimately lead to his mental breakdown. I think what happened in Germany was the straw that broke the camel's back, but clearly something DID happen. There were too many people who've corroborated the story who otherwise had nothing to do with each other.


I don't buy it for one reason; Why did Fleetwood Mac ask Peter Green back nine months later to replace Jeremy Spencer for a US tour 2/71? Pink Floyd wouldn't have asked Syd Barrett back to perform nine months later after he broke down from LSD.

I believe the rest of FM at the time were confused by "Munich". Peter Green was having fun playing "Krautrock" in the basement of a mansion in Munich. It was German progressive rock, much more avant-garde compared to the UK/US bands at the time. That's where "End of the Game" came from.

Peter Green was still willing to play as a guest as late as 11/70. He joined the Allman Brothers in New Orleans for a three hour version of "Mountain Jam" that began at midnight. By 3AM, the drummers gave up due to fatigue.

Even before Oswley Stanley, Peter Green always had FM do gigs for charity. By 1970, he was trying to convince the rest of the band to be more charitable events, and donate money. Mick Fleetwood had tasted fame since he was married to George Harrison's sister-in-law.

Peter Green wasn't a typical acid casualty. I believe his love for mescaline, and Acid triggered a dormant gene. Yet it wasn't in full blown schizophrenia until 1973.

[becca]

I've read about Syd getting burned out from playing the same songs too many times under pressure to make it sound the same each time, and also burned by audiences who only wanted to hear some hit singles and nothing more, particularly outside of London. The Madcap Laughs is a great album although it took him awhile and a lot of help to get it together. Like Peter I think he was just artistic rather than doing a job and increasingly allergic to the 'industry', and who is to say they aren't right when you look at what happened to The Iveys/Badfinger? Nico too sabotaged her appearance after being one of the top lookers earlier; the worst thing you can do is to be less marketable or commercial right?.

I sometimes wonder with Syd, Brain Wilson and guys like them if they weren't highly functioning autistics, as in Asberger's Syndrome. Diagnosis in the '60s and '70s was pretty iffy. Multiple personalities is such a rare thing yet was over-diagnosed following some movies and publicity.

[slipkid]

I've read about Syd getting burned out from playing the same songs too many times under pressure to make it sound the same each time, and also burned by audiences who only wanted to hear some hit singles and nothing more, particularly outside of London. The Madcap Laughs is a great album although it took him awhile and a lot of help to get it together. Like Peter I think he was just artistic rather than doing a job and increasingly allergic to the 'industry', and who is to say they aren't right when you look at what happened to The Iveys/Badfinger? Nico too sabotaged her appearance after being one of the top lookers earlier; the worst thing you can do is to be less marketable or commercial right?.

I sometimes wonder with Syd, Brain Wilson and guys like them if they weren't highly functioning autistics, as in Asberger's Syndrome. Diagnosis in the '60s and '70s was pretty iffy. Multiple personalities is such a rare thing yet was over-diagnosed following some movies and publicity.

Great points, becca! However, there are three musicians who suffered the same fate within a matter of months. 1) Roky Erickson from the 13th Floor Elevators...2) Skip Spence from Moby Grape, and 3) Syd Barrett.

Peter Green did not suffer the above, it was a much slower process. Peter Green was acting normal the day he left FM 5/70. In fact I think PG just wanted to leave FM as early as 1969. Mick Fleetwood uses "Munich" as a myth. Peter Green wanted out six months prior. Yet PG did suffer from mental illness only after he did the FM winter/spring US tour 1971. Logic says you don't ask Syd Barrett back for a US tour if he's already changed by drugs.


I can't say that Brian Wilson has Asbergers. I know that according to Brian Wilson his first LSD experience was writing "California Girls". Brian Wilson suffered from child abuse, not mental illness, until drugs came along. Murray Wilson was the Beach Boys version of Joe Jackson, if not worse.

[SpyNote]

Warner Music Japan is reissuing Then Play On, Kiln House, Future Games, Bare Trees, Penguin, Mystery to Me, and Heroes Are Hard to Find on "high-fidelity SHM-CD format (compatible with standard CD player)" in cardboard album sleeves on September 4. There isn't a lot of information about this format, but some Led Zeppelin fans who have bought SHM-CDs rave about them on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/SHM-CDs-sound-excellent/forum/Fx3BYT98HRC8EEL/Tx3GCDZ1KBK2XYX/1?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B000002J09), arguing that they are not another gimmick. Does anyone know how they sound? I'd imagine anything would be better than the murky quality of the existing Fleetwood Mac CDs. You can order the SHM-CDs from CD Japan (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/list_from_code_banner.html?key=142075).

Also, The Second Disc (http://theseconddisc.com/2013/07/01/if-music-be-the-food-of-love-fleetwood-macs-then-play-on-joins-1969-1972-box-set-in-august/) did a nice writeup on the vinyl reissues to be released on August 20 (http://amzn.to/19Or1Oc).