Will Christine be on the EP?

[TrueFaith77]

Just conjecture.

[Musicman408]

Would be super sexy, but probably not. We'll probably know, "any day now".

[Ulpian]

Just conjecture.

If she was I'd find it odd as they didn't record anything with her voice in mind I don't think. I just don't see where they'd have planned to add her in. I'd love it, but I think the extent of her involvement will be maybe just a live show on the tour.

[louielouie2000]

There's no doubt in my mind we will not hear Christine on this EP, or the possible future full length album.

[MikeVielhaber]

There's no doubt in my mind we will not hear Christine on this EP, or the possible future full length album.

I say definitely not for the EP, but I don't think we can rule out her contributing in some capacity to a hypothetical album even if unlikely.

[Erin]

I asked Mick about Christine recording with them at the Chicago M&G. His answer was "Well, she'd have to tour." In that, she wouldn't tour, so no she won't be recording with them. She won't be on the EP.

[Ulpian]

I asked Mick about Christine recording with them at the Chicago M&G. His answer was "Well, she'd have to tour." In that, she wouldn't tour, so no she won't be recording with them. She won't be on the EP.

I realise that kinda answers the question, but would that even apply if she just did backing vocals? I was assuming that's what people meant - a la BTLH and SYHA.

[shackin'up]

I'm not voting on a poll about an EP that the initiator of the poll constantly descibes as something that is never going to be. :D

[MikeVielhaber]

I asked Mick about Christine recording with them at the Chicago M&G. His answer was "Well, she'd have to tour." In that, she wouldn't tour, so no she won't be recording with them. She won't be on the EP.

She recorded for the Time album and didn't tour, didn't she? Why must she tour?

[Aisling]

I asked Mick about Christine recording with them at the Chicago M&G. His answer was "Well, she'd have to tour." In that, she wouldn't tour, so no she won't be recording with them. She won't be on the EP.

I still don't understand this mentality. I didn't understand it during SYW, and I don't understand it now. People will still show up to the tour, even if she doesn't. Is that really his worry? I mean, she's not here now and people are buying tickets! If I were Mick, I would rather have her on the record if it would mean boosting sales, even just slightly.

I wonder if this is a line the whole band (minus Stevie) is drawing in the sand, or if it's only Mick being stubborn?

In regards to the EP, while I don't think she's on it, I will be ecstatic if proven wrong.

[Erin]

I don't understand the mentality either. It's not like they're going to have a radio hit written by her that everyone would be expecting to hear on tour. If she's willing to do it, why not? I'm not sure if this is Mick's actual opinion or if it's the band's standard response at this point.

I don't see the point of her doing backing tracks like on BTLH or SYHA, I could barely hear her on the SYW versions of these tracks. If she's going to participate on a record she should be allowed to fully participate.

[Ulpian]

I don't understand the mentality either. It's not like they're going to have a radio hit written by her that everyone would be expecting to hear on tour. If she's willing to do it, why not? I'm not sure if this is Mick's actual opinion or if it's the band's standard response at this point.

I don't see the point of her doing backing tracks like on BTLH or SYHA, I could barely hear her on the SYW versions of these tracks. If she's going to participate on a record she should be allowed to fully participate.

Agreed, though I can def hear her on the SYW tracks, and I love listening to them.

[TrueFaith77]

I'm not voting on a poll about an EP that the initiator of the poll constantly descibes as something that is never going to be. :D

that's a valid position. touche

[KenshiMaster16]

I say no to the EP, maybe to the album but definitely as a background musician on an album.

[michelej1]

There's no doubt in my mind we will not hear Christine on this EP, or the possible future full length album.

Agree about the EP, but if there is a future full length album, there's no doubt in my mind that we will hear Christine on it.

Michele

[Aisling]

I don't understand the mentality either. It's not like they're going to have a radio hit written by her that everyone would be expecting to hear on tour. If she's willing to do it, why not?

And even if there's a 1% chance of that occurring, I still fail to see how this would decimate a Fleetwood Mac tour. It would literally be one song. Mac fans don't show up just to hear one song.

Moreover, if she did write a hit, I think they could probably talk her round to doing a handful of strategically placed shows. I think they're underestimating the power of Chris having a positive recording experience with the band. The more comfortable she is, the more they'll likely get out of her.

Talk nice to her, Mick, talk nice. . .anything is possible.

[jbrownsjr]

When I spoke to Ken at his book signing, he mentioned that Lindsey had a problem with using her ITM demos to roll into a new FM album, back in 2004. He said that Mick wanted to do it but got resistance about it and also stated that nobody had the balls to stand up to LB. It was a weird comment after he had just mentioned to me how fond LB is of Christine.

Wonder what really went down in 1998 and the Dance tour in 1997.

[louielouie2000]

When I spoke to Ken at his book signing, he mentioned that Lindsey had a problem with using her ITM demos to roll into a new FM album, back in 2004. He said that Mick wanted to do it but got resistance about it and also stated that nobody had the balls to stand up to LB.

Why on earth would he have a problem with that when he & Stevie do exactly the same thing? Hell, Lindsey essentially put fully finished & unchanged Gift Of Screws songs on Say You Will. :confused:

[jbrownsjr]

Why on earth would he have a problem with that when he & Stevie do exactly the same thing? Hell, Lindsey essentially put fully finished & unchanged Gift Of Screws songs on Say You Will. :confused:

It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

[bethelblues]

I honestly think that members of Fleetwood Mac sometimes do not want to stand up to Lindsey for good reason: he becomes unbearable to deal with and he's very hard to argue against. Lindsey has a reputation of being difficult and for liking things a certain way: his way. While it is inarguable that everyone in the Mac has an ego, Lindsey was always the primary creative force and main producer in the band of their own material. I'm sure like we do when we have reached a certain point the band just wanted to go with the flow, as to avoid another almost-certain fight. I'm sure John has felt this way and didn't want to run into issues, hence why he often keeps his mouth shut. Stevie certainly has wanted to avoid fights and has done so by staying away from the band, spending much of her recent years on solo projects and tours where she has no issues. Of course, there is the one famous instance from the Destiny Rules documentary when she told Lindsey off regarding the lyrics to Thrown Down. But overall I don't think she spoke up as much as she wanted to, hence why it's been widely reported she was unhappy with the final result of Say You Will (and probably the fact that they went through with Lindsey's plan to do a double album, a la Tusk) and was miserable on the tour.

As much as the politics behind Fleetwood Mac seem to be very public, I think there is much that has gone on behind the scenes that rules into their decision-making, their setlists, why some members want to record and why others don't. And most importantly, why Christine had had enough and quit the band, which probably has much more background than we know and is never discussed as it might further fracture the band.

[Aisling]

When I spoke to Ken at his book signing, he mentioned that Lindsey had a problem with using her ITM demos to roll into a new FM album, back in 2004. He said that Mick wanted to do it but got resistance about it and also stated that nobody had the balls to stand up to LB. It was a weird comment after he had just mentioned to me how fond LB is of Christine.

Wonder what really went down in 1998 and the Dance tour in 1997.

Whoa. Firstly, thanks for sharing. Secondly, what in the actual hell? LOL Did Ken say what Lindsey's problem with it was? Did it have something to do with the whole "if you're not going to tour, no way!" bit?

There's no question that I loved ITM, but I would have loved it a hundred times more if it had presented within the context of the band.

I'm so confused. And I think that Stevie HAS stood up to Lindsey on this point. She has stated how she feels about Christine not being there, she's said it in interviews with Lindsey in the room. Is this another instance where she's been outvoted, and hence, her growing frustration with the present band dynamic?

Or is it the case that back in 2003/4 she also didn't want Chris on the album for whatever reason?

At this point, I have more questions than answers!

And I agree that there are things that happened that we know nothing about. But whatever they are, they apparently were not good. Not good at all.

Did Ken drop any other little tidbits on this topic? (Or any other topic for that matter.)

[elle]

i think that anybody who thinks Stevie Nicks in this day and age is outvoted in Fleetwood Mac is delusional.

just my 0.02, take it or keep running with the speculations, whatever makes you happy. :shrug:

[StandbackStevie]

I will believe it when I see it. Lindsey said it's going to be released next week.At the Mohegan Sun Show last night.Will believe it when I see it.Unless this EP that is suppose to come out is probably a test to see if they should do a new album or not.who knows glad to see them back together and on the road awesome show last night every song was amazing.

[TrueFaith77]

Well the world missed out on a great double album. :shrug:

[Aisling]

i think that anybody who thinks Stevie Nicks in this day and age is outvoted in Fleetwood Mac is delusional.

just my 0.02, take it or keep running with the speculations, whatever makes you happy. :shrug:

Perfectly lucid, thanks.

I've said what I've said on this topic, and I'm not going to defend or elaborate. If anyone offers new information, then of course, I will ask questions. Because yes, it makes me happy.

[jbrownsjr]

Whoa. Firstly, thanks for sharing. Secondly, what in the actual hell? LOL Did Ken say what Lindsey's problem with it was? Did it have something to do with the whole "if you're not going to tour, no way!" bit?

There's no question that I loved ITM, but I would have loved it a hundred times more if it had presented within the context of the band.

I'm so confused. And I think that Stevie HAS stood up to Lindsey on this point. She has stated how she feels about Christine not being there, she's said it in interviews with Lindsey in the room. Is this another instance where she's been outvoted, and hence, her growing frustration with the present band dynamic?

Or is it the case that back in 2003/4 she also didn't want Chris on the album for whatever reason?

At this point, I have more questions than answers!

And I agree that there are things that happened that we know nothing about. But whatever they are, they apparently were not good. Not good at all.

Did Ken drop any other little tidbits on this topic? (Or any other topic for that matter.)

It was so quick because there were so many people waiting in line. But Ken seemed frustrated because he really wanted to take the tracks he produced with Christine and use them in FM context. I don't really have anymore than I posted.

I didn't know that Stevie stated things about Christine during duo interviews with LB. Would love to read those.

[Lindsfan]

When I spoke to Ken at his book signing, he mentioned that Lindsey had a problem with using her ITM demos to roll into a new FM album, back in 2004. He said that Mick wanted to do it but got resistance about it and also stated that nobody had the balls to stand up to LB. It was a weird comment after he had just mentioned to me how fond LB is of Christine.

Wonder what really went down in 1998 and the Dance tour in 1997.

I don't consider him a reliable source of info in any way anymore. He seems bitter, and, as you stated, often contrary. While I enjoyed parts of his book, I just don't trust his motives.

i think that anybody who thinks Stevie Nicks in this day and age is outvoted in Fleetwood Mac is delusional.


:nod: Stevie has no problem standing up to Lindsey. That line of reasoning gets old. Yes, he IS the most influential, and dominant member of the band, but they're all big boys and girls and are perfectly capable, and often willing, to stand up to him. If they're not, then that's their problem.

[elle]

:nod: Stevie has no problem standing up to Lindsey. That line of reasoning gets old. Yes, he IS the most influential, and dominant member of the band, but they're all big boys and girls and are perfectly capable, and often willing, to stand up to him. If they're not, then that's their problem.

i don't think he is.

[Aisling]

It was so quick because there were so many people waiting in line. But Ken seemed frustrated because he really wanted to take the tracks he produced with Christine and use them in FM context. I don't really have anymore than I posted.

I didn't know that Stevie stated things about Christine during duo interviews with LB. Would love to read those.

The one I had particularly in mind was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7__Hr1OjsM

3:10 "I wish you would come back and save me." Although there's a bit more before that as well.

[Lindsfan]

i don't think he is.

LOL. Well,I do :p

[jbrownsjr]

The one I had particularly in mind was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7__Hr1OjsM

3:10 "I wish you would come back and save me." Although there's a bit more before that as well.

Awwwww that was so sweet of Stevie Nicks!! Does Lindsey spray tan?

[elle]

LOL. Well,I do :p

:laugh: well, if LB was dominant influence in FM, EP with new songs would be out months ago.

[redtulip]

I don't understand why Lindsey would be the one holding up the EP. He is the one that went and recorded new material hoping to turn it into a Fleetwood Mac album. Stevie shot that idea down, so it stands to reason that she would be the hold up behind the EP as well. Lindsey has shown he wants to put out new Fleetwood Mac material, I haven't seen anything from Stevie that shows she does as well. And with how productive Lindsey has been over the last few years, I don't see him being the holdout.

[Lindsfan]

:laugh: well, if LB was dominant influence in FM, EP with new songs would be out months ago.

THIS I do agree with. I was speaking just in general, over the years. But YES, he has made it very clear he wants this album (or EP) out. So blaming Lindsey for it not yet being released makes no sense at all.

[MikeVielhaber]

:laugh: well, if LB was dominant influence in FM, EP with new songs would be out months ago.

That's assuming that it's someone in the band that's keeping it from being released. And considering they announce its imminent release at every show I'm inclined to believe it's not.

[bombaysaffires]

I still don't understand this mentality. I didn't understand it during SYW, and I don't understand it now. People will still show up to the tour, even if she doesn't. Is that really his worry? I mean, she's not here now and people are buying tickets! If I were Mick, I would rather have her on the record if it would mean boosting sales, even just slightly.

I wonder if this is a line the whole band (minus Stevie) is drawing in the sand, or if it's only Mick being stubborn?

In regards to the EP, while I don't think she's on it, I will be ecstatic if proven wrong.


Somehow I don't think it's Mick. I think it's either Stevie or Lindsey as those are the two with the real power these days to green-light or hold up a project. Did LB vote down using ITM material coz Ken produced it, and he, Lindsey, wouldn't get to put his mark on it and he sees himself as the "visionary" for FM?

Stevie was not thrilled with the final production of her songs on SYW. In the documentary Thrown Down is a clear example. She clearly ends up going along to get along with the production. When it came to the *business* decision of single vs double album, Lindsey lost out but that's because there are outside forces, i.e., business managers, for all the other members who have no qualms about arguing their position forcefully. I think Lindsey doesn't have the *business* sway in the band (I think these days tho that Stevie does) but Lindsey still seems to have the *creative* sway. I think Stevie is no longer happy allowing Lindsey's vision for the music to override hers , and I think the SYW experience was the last straw on that. Added to that her experience working with Dave Stewart and her repeated comments about how easy it was to work with him because he didn't take creative disagreements personally and didn't invest his ego in them and was willing to bend or change and you get a clear sense of why she doesn't want to endure another recording experience with Lindsey unless there's a designated mediator/final voice in the form of an outside producer.

I think Christine has clear ideas for her music and wouldn't just hand it over to LB. Maybe she got tired of the same issues Stevie has in that regard.

I think Mick and John are missing the ballast Christine provided, personally and musically.

[elle]

That's assuming that it's someone in the band that's keeping it from being released.

LB said in november that he wanted FM to release new songs before the start of the tour. that didn't happen.

since the tour started, the only advertising they had about new EP is LB saying at the shows that it will be coming out "soon". that has been transmitted by various musical outlets, but there is no proper PR campaign, and EP is not listed anywhere to pre-order.

even LB's low key solo stuff was handled with much more fanfare than this.

at Mohegan show yesterday, LB said it will be coming out in a week. he's been the only one saying that publicly, and from what i heard Mick has said it at Mohegan m&g too.

so the 2 of them certainly are not the ones holding it up, since especially LB is the one who ends up looking stupid for saying unsubstantiated stuff if EP does not come out.

i'll be surprised (and unbelievably pleased) if EP does indeed come out on April 30. :p

of course, if that does happen everybody will probably be dumping on LB for pushing the EP out when their PR and management were so obviously not ready. :shrug: :laugh:

[bethelblues]

I think Christine has clear ideas for her music and wouldn't just hand it over to LB. Maybe she got tired of the same issues Stevie has in that regard.

Bingo. That may be a far more convincing reason why Christine left Fleetwood Mac, in a combination with some of the answers we've gotten over the years.

[elle]

Lindsey lost out but that's because there are outside forces, i.e., business managers, for all the other members who have no qualms about arguing their position forcefully. I think Lindsey doesn't have the *business* sway in the band (I think these days tho that Stevie does)

yes, pretty sure that's the case. and those business managers are stuck in the stone age, which is unfortunate for both FM and us.

[elle]

Bingo. That may be a far more convincing reason why Christine left Fleetwood Mac, in a combination with some of the answers we've gotten over the years.

i don't see Christine ever having problem with telling Lindsey exactly what she thinks and what she wants regarding her music.

i think Christine and Lindsey were very much equal footing collaborators, complementing each other in their differing strengths and weaknesses, as they both said and acknowledged many times.

[jbrownsjr]

yes, pretty sure that's the case. and those business managers are stuck in the stone age, which is unfortunate for both FM and us.

Agreed, FM is the worst run organization I have ever seen. Remember Unleashed they were going to release the Rumours remastered blah blah blah and it never came out.

[bombaysaffires]

i don't see Christine ever having problem with telling Lindsey exactly what she thinks and what she wants regarding her music.

i think Christine and Lindsey were very much equal footing collaborators, complementing each other in their differing strengths and weaknesses, as they both said and acknowledged many times.

I think there's a lot of truth in what you say, but really the band does not tell us the whole truth about anything--- they are smart enough when they talk to the media to not give away too much of the real dirty laundry. They have a certain narrative and they pretty much stick to it. There is sooo much crap we'll never know about because we only ever get the most fleeting glimpses behind the curtain. And when they are onstage, they are indeed giving a *performance*.. they are selling a particular vision of Fleetwood Mac, not the unvarnished reality. They know the vision of the band we all want to believe and they most definitely cater to that. So who really knows....

[elle]

I think there's a lot of truth in what you say, but really the band does not tell us the whole truth about anything--- they are smart enough when they talk to the media to not give away too much of the real dirty laundry. They have a certain narrative and they pretty much stick to it. There is sooo much crap we'll never know about because we only ever get the most fleeting glimpses behind the curtain. And when they are onstage, they are indeed giving a *performance*.. they are selling a particular vision of Fleetwood Mac, not the unvarnished reality. They know the vision of the band we all want to believe and they most definitely cater to that. So who really knows....

yes, agree very much with all of that. :nod: and really they don't owe anybody their behind the scenes dirty (or clean!) laundry, however much people may seem to want to take a peek.

[michelej1]

I think Christine has clear ideas for her music and wouldn't just hand it over to LB. Maybe she got tired of the same issues Stevie has in that regard.


There's been no reason for Christine to hand her music over to Lindsey. As a musician, she can flesh out what she wants much more clearly than Stevie can and there's no need for him to take over on her songs. Even when she was mad at Lindsey after he left Tango, she never complained about his handling of her music, although she had other negative things to say.

I think the way she talked about the Tango songs, with her having the music and him supplying the words on one track and him having the music and her supplying the words on another, was very illustrative of the back and forth and parity in their collaborations.

And when she left the band, they weren't even working on new music anyway.

I've always thought the limo conversation in which Stevie is complaining because Christine wanted Lindsey to sing with her on Hold Me was revealing of what Christine thought of the value of his vocal contributions on songs like Don't Stop and Think About Me meant.

Michele

[Ulpian]

I wonder whether Christine and Lindsey did just have some harsh words at The Grammys? I certainly don't see her being annoyed with him at the way he produced her songs, as around the time of ITM she was generous about him and the way he did so.

When Lindsey was, repeatedly, saying in 2009 that she 'burned her bridges' after The Dance (complete with an intriguing and ambiguous smirk) I got the feeling that the two of them may have fallen out at the time, and that time had cooled whatever the argument was.

I'm not saying this was the only reason: we all know she didn't want to tour any longer and that she hated flying; we know that she was homesick and hated the earthquakes when she lived in California; we know that her marriage was breaking down.

But maybe a post-Grammy's argument was the straw that broke the camel's back? It would sort of thread together all the different stories you hear about *when* Christine said she was leaving. She said she told them all it would be her last tour before they set out; Stevie, I seem to remember, said at one stage that it was about 20 dates into the tour; Mick said something similar; other versions have said it was after the last night of the tour, others that it happened after the Brit Awards. Maybe it was a slow drip-drip of all of these, leading to a flashpoint after the Grammys?

:distress:

[TrueFaith77]

Wait: what happened at the grammys?

[MikeVielhaber]

I wonder whether Christine and Lindsey did just have some harsh words at The Grammys? I certainly don't see her being annoyed with him at the way he produced her songs, as around the time of ITM she was generous about him and the way he did so.

When Lindsey was, repeatedly, saying in 2009 that she 'burned her bridges' after The Dance (complete with an intriguing and ambiguous smirk) I got the feeling that the two of them may have fallen out at the time, and that time had cooled whatever the argument was.

I'm not saying this was the only reason: we all know she didn't want to tour any longer and that she hated flying; we know that she was homesick and hated the earthquakes when she lived in California; we know that her marriage was breaking down.

But maybe a post-Grammy's argument was the straw that broke the camel's back? It would sort of thread together all the different stories you hear about *when* Christine said she was leaving. She said she told them all it would be her last tour before they set out; Stevie, I seem to remember, said at one stage that it was about 20 dates into the tour; Mick said something similar; other versions have said it was after the last night of the tour, others that it happened after the Brit Awards. Maybe it was a slow drip-drip of all of these, leading to a flashpoint after the Grammys?

:distress:

I don't understand this. So Lindsey got upset about losing at the Grammys.....what does this have to do with Christine? Why would it be such a sticking point for her? Is Lindsey not supposed to or allowed to get upset about things?

[Matt Lucas]

I think the way she talked about the Tango songs, with her having the music and him supplying the words on one track and him having the music and her supplying the words on another, was very illustrative of the back and forth and parity in their collaborations.

My favorite thing about TANGO is how well Lindsey and Christine worked together on that record, so this is fascinating to me. Can you provide links to interviews or articles where she talked about writing those two songs?

I've always thought the limo conversation in which Stevie is complaining because Christine wanted Lindsey to sing with her on Hold Me was revealing of what Christine thought of the value of his vocal contributions on songs like Don't Stop and Think About Me meant.

I've never heard of this "limo conversation." Was it from a documentary? Regardless, I wish Stevie hadn't made such comments. They make her sound petty.

Stevie was not thrilled with the final production of her songs on SYW. In the documentary Thrown Down is a clear example. She clearly ends up going along to get along with the production.

It's no secret that I'm more of a Lindsey fan, but I absolutely believe that the individual contributions from the different members are what make a band's magic work.

With SAY YOU WILL, I have to say that I enjoy "Thrown Down" and the title track as much as I like any of Lindsey's songs from that record. What was Stevie's issue with Lindsey's production on "Thrown Down?" I love that song, and I love Lindsey's production of it. Has Stevie's demo been released, so that we can compare the song before and after?

Ooops. I just realized I'm pushing us further away from the original subject. Sorry about that.

For the record, if having Christine play/sing on the EP would push its release back even more, then I respectfully hope that she's not involved. The band is getting some tour-based press coverage, and they need to get the new songs out there to capitalize on the news stories/reviews.

BUT...! If things go well and Christine ends up playing on new recordings, I'd have no problem with her being added to "Sad Angel" and the other EP songs if some of them are included in an eventual FM album.

Regards,
matt

[Ulpian]

I don't understand this. So Lindsey got upset about losing at the Grammys.....what does this have to do with Christine? Why would it be such a sticking point for her? Is Lindsey not supposed to or allowed to get upset about things?

I think, as people are saying in another thread, he may have had a hissy fit about not winning and with all her worries and troubles that pushed her over the edge. She maybe told him to shut up and put things in perspective. I would have.

In fact, I do think there was a weirdness between them post-Dance. In 2003 I remember reading that Mick, Stevie, John and the boys' spouses had gone to Christine's for dinner. I don't think Lindsey went. Read into that what you will, if it's true.

We're totally speculating of course. It's all water under the bridge now.

[bethelblues]

With SAY YOU WILL, I have to say that I enjoy "Thrown Down" and the title track as much as I like any of Lindsey's songs from that record. What was Stevie's issue with Lindsey's production on "Thrown Down?" I love that song, and I love Lindsey's production of it. Has Stevie's demo been released, so that we can compare the song before and after?

It was captured from the Destiny Rules documentary. He lectures her on her lyrics and basically said there are rules to songwriting, I think with regard to her tense or choice of verb. Stevie told him off: did anyone tell Bob Dylan how to write his songs? It was a small moment, but a telling one of why Stevie has tried to avoid recording with Lindsey for Fleetwood Mac. I bet, looking back, she wishes she spoke up more during the Say You Will production, as she wasn't thrilled with the outcome (or probably that it was essentially a double album and way too long). Here, I'd side with Stevie: You don't tell her how to write a song. She is the most significant songwriter in the group and she has a natural ability to write that has driven Lindsey crazy over the years.

[elle]

i really don't know why i keep checking back in this thread... when we all know CM will not be on the EP.

maybe that's why this thread has turned into "let's make up some reasons to bash Lindsey" thread. :shrug: :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

i really don't know why i keep checking back in this thread... when we all know CM will not be on the EP.

maybe that's why this thread has turned into "let's make up some reasons to bash Lindsey" thread. :shrug: :laugh:

lol!!! It's not all that difficult is it?? :xoxo:

[Ulpian]

i really don't know why i keep checking back in this thread... when we all know CM will not be on the EP.

maybe that's why this thread has turned into "let's make up some reasons to bash Lindsey" thread. :shrug: :laugh:

He makes it so easy ;););)

[michelej1]

In fact, I do think there was a weirdness between them post-Dance. In 2003 I remember reading that Mick, Stevie, John and the boys' spouses had gone to Christine's for dinner. I don't think Lindsey went. Read into that what you will, if it's true.

We're totally speculating of course. It's all water under the bridge now.

I read that the whole band went over to Christine's for dinner when they toured there in 2003. No names were specified in any interviews I saw as to who exactly went and who didn't. Mick just spoke in plural, the same way he did when he caught up with Christine a few years later during his solo tour.

Michele

[michelej1]

My favorite thing about TANGO is how well Lindsey and Christine worked together on that record, so this is fascinating to me. Can you provide links to interviews or articles where she talked about writing those two songs?

That's about all she said that she had the music for one and he had the music for the other. She didn't specify which song was which.



I've never heard of this "limo conversation." Was it from a documentary? Regardless, I wish Stevie hadn't made such comments. They make her sound petty.

It wasn't a documentary. It was informal audio tapes that Mick made of the band when they were riding in a limosine. They have circulated among the fans. Stevie was probably high at the time. You've seen the Warner Bros. clips where they are supposed to say Happy Birthday and she was clowning around, right? Well, that's all she was doing in this limo tape. She was saying why was Lindsey singing on Christine's song and she told Christine it was over between them, but she was just talking nonsense, saying all kinds of things like Mick has ugly shoes and who knows what.

My point was that it showed me that Christine made songs that did not necessarily start off as duets into them and I think she must have liked the effect. Obviously, when you have men and women in a band, you want to have male/female love songs, so that's natural. But she has said that she and Lindsey get such an interesting sound together and I think she has noticed what fans have, when they sing together: sometimes you can't tell the two apart. Plus, their different styles make the song more complex, which is what I think happens on Hold Me and Think About Me, in particular.

Well, Hold Me is entirely different, because Lindsey's hand in the production of that song is very strong, aside from his vocal.

Michele

[michelej1]

I don't understand this. So Lindsey got upset about losing at the Grammys.....what does this have to do with Christine? Why would it be such a sticking point for her? Is Lindsey not supposed to or allowed to get upset about things?

I know, it would be illogical, if Stevie had said that's what happened, but Stevie's truncated comments can't even lead to the reasonable conclusion that she actually said that is what happened.

Michele

[michelej1]

To Matt Lucas,

I think this is on Youtube, you can find it. Look under limo conversations. But this is what we can hear them saying.

Christine: Anyway, you gotta listen to this it's uh...
Stevie: Of Lindsey singing Hold Me?
Christine:Lindsey singing Hold Me...
Stevie:I'll never forgive you if you let Lindsey sing one of your songs and not me.
Christine: No, no. The thing is he's gonna sing it, and I'm gonna sing it longer.
Stevie: That's it! It's over!�
Christine: No, no, no, Stevie.�
Stevie: You heard it [she starts singing) It's over. It's over. It's over. It's over like it never was before.�
Christine: No, Stevie. I've got a song for you. You've got a song for me. Lindsey"s got a song for me. Lindsey's got a song for you. You have a song for Lindsey.
Stevie:They got a song for us.
Man: This has totally destroyed my decision.
Stevie: Does anybody got any pot?

[bethelblues]

I just listened to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtAapDMZstc
It was hilarious. They sound like little kids, Stevie whining her ass off. I didn't catch your transcript above. Maybe that's from a different one?

Boy is Stevie out of it: "I love graveyards and we sure are running into a lot of them. Lindsey loves graveyards." Stevie when Christine said someone left her room at 5:00 a.m.: "Why wasn't I there? You should call me up. I was bored stiff. I was laying in my bed watching television."

Mick is basically frustrated with Stevie the entire time: "Yes you did! That means you definitely are out to lunch. Oh for goodness sake...Let me finish! ...It's impossible, she won't stop." And a great one: "No, I will not turn the tape off!"

Christine: "I'm halfway to being drunk."

[michelej1]

I just listened to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtAapDMZstc
It was hilarious. They sound like little kids, Stevie whining her ass off. I didn't catch your transcript above. Maybe that's from a different one?



Yes. There are several of them.

Michele

[TerraRhiannon]

To Matt Lucas,

I think this is on Youtube, you can find it. Look under limo conversations. But this is what we can hear them saying.

Christine: Anyway, you gotta listen to this it's uh...
Stevie: Of Lindsey singing Hold Me?
Christine:Lindsey singing Hold Me...
Stevie:I'll never forgive you if you let Lindsey sing one of your songs and not me.
Christine: No, no. The thing is he's gonna sing it, and I'm gonna sing it longer.
Stevie: That's it! It's over!�
Christine: No, no, no, Stevie.�
Stevie: You heard it [she starts singing) It's over. It's over. It's over. It's over like it never was before.�
Christine: No, Stevie. I've got a song for you. You've got a song for me. Lindsey"s got a song for me. Lindsey's got a song for you. You have a song for Lindsey.
Stevie:They got a song for us.
Man: This has totally destroyed my decision.
Stevie: Does anybody got any pot?

Ok I really need to find this conversation. The only one I find is the one where they are talking about graveyards. I will keep looking.

The last part of this dialogue makes me giggle.. oh goodness, Stevie.

[michelej1]

My favorite thing about TANGO is how well Lindsey and Christine worked together on that record, so this is fascinating to me. Can you provide links to interviews or articles where she talked about writing those two songs?



This is from the interview Christine did with Laura Goss in 1987

They were sort of weird collaborations. They weren’t sitting down in a room writing songs together. In the case of 'Mystified', that was a piano instrumental that I had, and Lindsey took it home and put some words to it and some drum patterns that we all really liked. 'You and I' was reversed. Lindsey had a completed beautiful guitar track with no vocals on it so I sort of helped with him on the melody on that.

It's an audio interview. I had a cd with an interview with Chris and Lindsey on one side and interviews with Stevie and John from 1988 on the other.

When Chris was promoting the album, she did have to bring up A Fine Mess again and again, as it is what got them all back together and thinking of a return to the studio after 5 years. She mentions that the studio gave her free reign to hire anyone she wanted to produce her song single and she hired Lindsey (and Richard).

Michele