Demos within Demos

[Nolastorms]

I finally got the Rumours rerelease and the demos outtakes cd is by far my favorite disk. I love 'The Chain" demo and noticed the ending was to become "If You Ever Did Believe" Is there anymore evidence of Stevie's songs that sprang out of demos of other songs? I know she shares a lot of lyrics between songs but if you listen to this demo the ending is lyrically and musically 'If You Ever Did Believe." I also" love the GYOW demo when he uses the line "You can Roll like Thunder" it makes it tie into "Dreams" !

[Blueletter18]

I've noticed that Stevie likes to tack on that IYEDB demo ending onto a lot of things, like she was trying to find a song where it really fit. On the previous reissue of Rumours, it comes at the end of one of the Gold Dust Woman demos.

[rhiannondontgo]

Stevie's songwriting fascinates me. I've noticed so many repetitive phrases/words in her songs and demos.

- "We don't have so very much in common. You don't have really very much to say... etc etc" - Tragedy of One's Own Soul and Lily Girl
- "And the angel said "Well you must have had a dream and you remember it". Til the dream followed through til the end of the dream and the dream came true. When I want something, I get it." - Whole Lotta Trouble and I Call You Missing
- "Through the crystal-like clear-water fountain" - Crystal and City of Hope
- "Crying in the morning, trying to be strong. Waiting for the spring to turn into the fall, etc etc"- Destiny and Enchanted
- "You say you're leaving" - Wild Heart and All The Beautiful Worlds
- Love You Enough and My Love Is Not Lost (both demos, relatively unknown) are pretty much the same song in different orders.
- "Standing at the crossroads" - Touched By An Angel, Space Needle
- "Not all, not all the king's horses, all the king's men... could put it back together again..." - Fall From Grace, All The King's Horses
- "And the sands of time like shattering glass..." - Goodbye Baby, She Loves Him Still, The Tower
- "Somewhere out in the back of your mind" - Rooms On Fire, If Anyone Falls
- "No one walks away from this battle." - Battle of The Dragon and Soldier's Angel
- "I'd like to leave you with something warm." - Storms and The Nightmare
- "Drowning in the sea..." - Sara and The Nightmare
- "Sometimes it was heavenly, sometimes it was too heavy." - Not Make Believe and Everybody Loves You
- "Just like the white winged dove" - Nightbird/Edge. Also, the phrase nightbird is used in the ridiculous mess of a song Stay Away as well.
- "If I'd not sung your music..." A variation of this Without You lyrics is in Takes a Long Time.
- "It's like living on a working river. The coastline is glittering like a diamond snake in a black sky." - Illume and Destiny Rules
- "Come in out of the darkness." - Bella Donna and In Your Dreams
- "... Ghost through the fog..." - Angel, Ghosts Are Gone, Sweet Girl
- "Lady from the mountains" - LFTM, Moonlight, Sorcerer
and the list goes on and on but i'm lazy.


What I find even more interesting is the amount of songs with lyrics about the same exact things. Sit down and listen to a few hours worth of songs and demos, and you will literally find hundreds of references to dreams, crystals, angels, chains, freedom, fire, hearts, and competition. On tumblr, another fan and I wrote out a huge list of Stevie lyrics with the word "dream" in it. You would be amazed at how long it is.

And her song-writing also fascinates me because of how she borrows from little things she's seen or read or heard about, or current events, or poems or books. And she mushes a bunch of odd little references from all different things into just one song. The way Planets of The Universe has direct quotes from Edgar Allen Poe poems all throughout it's lyrics, and each part is from a totally different poem. All just thrown in together to make a beautiful song. Or the way Paper Doll's first few lines are directly from The Picture Of Dorian Gray, as are some of the lyrics from Freedom. And how many of her songs have been written around a movie or book she liked (Beauty And The Beast, Julia, Alice, Rhiannon, Street Angel, etc etc), and how many have direct lines from said movies that you wouldn't even notice unless you heard it in the movie. Pretty cool when you think about it.

[KarmaContestant]

Stev- "Standing at the crossroads" - Touched By An Angel, Space Needle


Also, Love Is Dangerous uses this lyric.

[vivfox]

What I find even more interesting is how many have direct lines from said movies that you wouldn't even notice unless you heard it in the movie. Pretty cool when you think about it.


Pretty cool or plagiarism at it's best.

[rhiannondontgo]

Pretty cool or plagiarism at it's best.

:laugh: I'd be complimented if Stevie Nicks chose to quote my movie in her song lol.

[vivfox]

:laugh: I'd be complimented if Stevie Nicks chose to quote my movie in her song lol.


Don't get me wrong, I loved your post. I was just being silly.

[Josh2003]

Isn't "I Call You Missing" just kinda like one demo for "Listen to the Rain" and "Whole Lotta Trouble"?

[rhiannondontgo]

Isn't "I Call You Missing" just kinda like one demo for "Listen to the Rain" and "Whole Lotta Trouble"?


Pretty much. Shares lyrics with both. Stevie's like the queen of self-plagiarism.

[rhiannondontgo]

Don't get me wrong, I loved your post. I was just being silly.

lol it does amaze me how nobody ever gave her any crap for using so many assorted lines from other people's poems or movies or books.

[editme2]

Stevie's songwriting fascinates me. I've noticed so many repetitive phrases/words in her songs and demos.

- "We don't have so very much in common. You don't have really very much to say... etc etc" - Tragedy of One's Own Soul and Lily Girl
- "And the angel said "Well you must have had a dream and you remember it". Til the dream followed through til the end of the dream and the dream came true. When I want something, I get it." - Whole Lotta Trouble and I Call You Missing
- "Through the crystal-like clear-water fountain" - Crystal and City of Hope
- "Crying in the morning, trying to be strong. Waiting for the spring to turn into the fall, etc etc"- Destiny and Enchanted
- "You say you're leaving" - Wild Heart and All The Beautiful Worlds
- Love You Enough and My Love Is Not Lost (both demos, relatively unknown) are pretty much the same song in different orders.
- "Standing at the crossroads" - Touched By An Angel, Space Needle
- "Not all, not all the king's horses, all the king's men... could put it back together again..." - Fall From Grace, All The King's Horses
- "And the sands of time like shattering glass..." - Goodbye Baby, She Loves Him Still, The Tower
- "Somewhere out in the back of your mind" - Rooms On Fire, If Anyone Falls
- "No one walks away from this battle." - Battle of The Dragon and Soldier's Angel
- "I'd like to leave you with something warm." - Storms and The Nightmare
- "Drowning in the sea..." - Sara and The Nightmare
- "Sometimes it was heavenly, sometimes it was too heavy." - Not Make Believe and Everybody Loves You
- "Just like the white winged dove" - Nightbird/Edge. Also, the phrase nightbird is used in the ridiculous mess of a song Stay Away as well.
- "If I'd not sung your music..." A variation of this Without You lyrics is in Takes a Long Time.
- "It's like living on a working river. The coastline is glittering like a diamond snake in a black sky." - Illume and Destiny Rules
- "Come in out of the darkness." - Bella Donna and In Your Dreams
- "... Ghost through the fog..." - Angel, Ghosts Are Gone, Sweet Girl
- "Lady from the mountains" - LFTM, Moonlight, Sorcerer
and the list goes on and on but i'm lazy.


What I find even more interesting is the amount of songs with lyrics about the same exact things. Sit down and listen to a few hours worth of songs and demos, and you will literally find hundreds of references to dreams, crystals, angels, chains, freedom, fire, hearts, and competition. On tumblr, another fan and I wrote out a huge list of Stevie lyrics with the word "dream" in it. You would be amazed at how long it is.

And her song-writing also fascinates me because of how she borrows from little things she's seen or read or heard about, or current events, or poems or books. And she mushes a bunch of odd little references from all different things into just one song. The way Planets of The Universe has direct quotes from Edgar Allen Poe poems all throughout it's lyrics, and each part is from a totally different poem. All just thrown in together to make a beautiful song. Or the way Paper Doll's first few lines are directly from The Picture Of Dorian Gray, as are some of the lyrics from Freedom. And how many of her songs have been written around a movie or book she liked (Beauty And The Beast, Julia, Alice, Rhiannon, Street Angel, etc etc), and how many have direct lines from said movies that you wouldn't even notice unless you heard it in the movie. Pretty cool when you think about it.


The "borrowing" Stevie does has always kind of bothered me. In some cases, like "Planets," she has basically taken lines from another writer's poems and strung them together into a song and then put her name on it as the writer. She walks a fine line between being "inspired" and plagiarizing. She's lucky in that most of what she takes from is in the public domain, so it's unlikely that she'd be sued. Still, I think she should give credit where credit is due when she does borrow heavily from another writer's work. I'm certain she wouldn't like it if someone started taking lines from "Dreams" or "Landslide" and not giving her credit.

[rhiannondontgo]

The "borrowing" Stevie does has always kind of bothered me. In some cases, like "Planets," she has basically taken lines from another writer's poems and strung them together into a song and then put her name on it as the writer. She walks a fine line between being "inspired" and plagiarizing. She's lucky in that most of what she takes from is in the public domain, so it's unlikely that she'd be sued. Still, I think she should give credit where credit is due when she does borrow heavily from another writer's work. I'm certain she wouldn't like it if someone started taking lines from "Dreams" or "Landslide" and not giving her credit.

I think it would be different if she was throwing in someone else's song lyrics or something. I don't think using a line from a 1800's poem is a big thing. Edgar Allen Poe is certainly not suing her :laugh: The more modern things she throws in, like quotes from Evangeline Walton books which she often uses, I could see somebody asking for credit over.

[WildHearted]

I think Stevie probably sees it more as allusions than as plagiarizing. In the same way that I think she knowingly makes allusions to her own poems/songs.

I don't even want to count the number of times she's referenced that damn Dream of hers.

[rhiannondontgo]

I think Stevie probably sees it more as allusions than as plagiarizing. In the same way that I think she knowingly makes allusions to her own poems/songs.

I don't even want to count the number of times she's referenced that damn Dream of hers.

Lots of references to her own songs too. And other people's songs. YMBTO being the best example. "says 'I'm so afraid'", "tell me another lie", etc.

[moon]

- "It's like living on a working river. The coastline is glittering like a diamond snake in a black sky." - Illume and Destiny Rules

In fact, the entire verse is repeated in both songs. I don't know which song came first, but in both the verse sounds good. I love Illume, it's one of my favourite songs. It's rare -for me- to see exactly the same verse in the same album. I saw that the coincidences are between songs from different eras...

I like the coastal cities
I like the lights...
I like the way the ocean blends
Into the city at night
It's like living on a working river
The coeastline is glittering
Like a diamond snake in a black sky

Regards!

[turquoise5]

Stevie's songwriting fascinates me. I've noticed so many repetitive phrases/words in her songs and demos.

- "We don't have so very much in common. You don't have really very much to say... etc etc" - Tragedy of One's Own Soul and Lily Girl
- "And the angel said "Well you must have had a dream and you remember it". Til the dream followed through til the end of the dream and the dream came true. When I want something, I get it." - Whole Lotta Trouble and I Call You Missing
- "Through the crystal-like clear-water fountain" - Crystal and City of Hope
- "Crying in the morning, trying to be strong. Waiting for the spring to turn into the fall, etc etc"- Destiny and Enchanted
- "You say you're leaving" - Wild Heart and All The Beautiful Worlds
- Love You Enough and My Love Is Not Lost (both demos, relatively unknown) are pretty much the same song in different orders.
- "Standing at the crossroads" - Touched By An Angel, Space Needle
- "Not all, not all the king's horses, all the king's men... could put it back together again..." - Fall From Grace, All The King's Horses
- "And the sands of time like shattering glass..." - Goodbye Baby, She Loves Him Still, The Tower
- "Somewhere out in the back of your mind" - Rooms On Fire, If Anyone Falls
- "No one walks away from this battle." - Battle of The Dragon and Soldier's Angel
- "I'd like to leave you with something warm." - Storms and The Nightmare
- "Drowning in the sea..." - Sara and The Nightmare
- "Sometimes it was heavenly, sometimes it was too heavy." - Not Make Believe and Everybody Loves You
- "Just like the white winged dove" - Nightbird/Edge. Also, the phrase nightbird is used in the ridiculous mess of a song Stay Away as well.
- "If I'd not sung your music..." A variation of this Without You lyrics is in Takes a Long Time.
- "It's like living on a working river. The coastline is glittering like a diamond snake in a black sky." - Illume and Destiny Rules
- "Come in out of the darkness." - Bella Donna and In Your Dreams
- "... Ghost through the fog..." - Angel, Ghosts Are Gone, Sweet Girl
- "Lady from the mountains" - LFTM, Moonlight, Sorcerer
and the list goes on and on but i'm lazy.


What I find even more interesting is the amount of songs with lyrics about the same exact things. Sit down and listen to a few hours worth of songs and demos, and you will literally find hundreds of references to dreams, crystals, angels, chains, freedom, fire, hearts, and competition. On tumblr, another fan and I wrote out a huge list of Stevie lyrics with the word "dream" in it. You would be amazed at how long it is.

And her song-writing also fascinates me because of how she borrows from little things she's seen or read or heard about, or current events, or poems or books. And she mushes a bunch of odd little references from all different things into just one song. The way Planets of The Universe has direct quotes from Edgar Allen Poe poems all throughout it's lyrics, and each part is from a totally different poem. All just thrown in together to make a beautiful song. Or the way Paper Doll's first few lines are directly from The Picture Of Dorian Gray, as are some of the lyrics from Freedom. And how many of her songs have been written around a movie or book she liked (Beauty And The Beast, Julia, Alice, Rhiannon, Street Angel, etc etc), and how many have direct lines from said movies that you wouldn't even notice unless you heard it in the movie. Pretty cool when you think about it.

Which Poe poems are represented in Planets? Just curious, I thought I had read a lot of his work but I must be missing something....thanks!

[rhiannondontgo]

Which Poe poems are represented in Planets? Just curious, I thought I had read a lot of his work but I must be missing something....thanks!

Sure! I'll try to diagram it here. :)


The bright light is lying down
The earth and the sea and the sky (1)
Is at rest with the ocean
And the days go by

They go into the seas that have no shores (2)
Haunted by that same closed door
Looking up at skies on fire (3)
Leaving nothing left of us
To discover
....

No doubt, no pain
Come ever again, well (4)
Let there be light in this lifetime
In the cool, silent moments of the nighttime



1. "The wearied light is dying down,
And earth, and stars, and sea, and sky" - Serenade

2. "Into seas without a shore" - Dreamland

3. "Seas that restlessly aspire,
Surging, unto skies of fire." - Dreamland

4. "Now doubt- now pain
Come never again." - Eulalie

[UndoingTheLaces]

I think the borrowed lyrics are on purpose in some cases. The Nightmare is about her time in Fleetwood Mac and so using lyrics from her FM songs drives the point home.

[turquoise5]

Sure! I'll try to diagram it here. :)


The bright light is lying down
The earth and the sea and the sky (1)
Is at rest with the ocean
And the days go by

They go into the seas that have no shores (2)
Haunted by that same closed door
Looking up at skies on fire (3)
Leaving nothing left of us
To discover
....

No doubt, no pain
Come ever again, well (4)
Let there be light in this lifetime
In the cool, silent moments of the nighttime



1. "The wearied light is dying down,
And earth, and stars, and sea, and sky" - Serenade

2. "Into seas without a shore" - Dreamland

3. "Seas that restlessly aspire,
Surging, unto skies of fire." - Dreamland

4. "Now doubt- now pain
Come never again." - Eulalie

Cool! Thank you!