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bluecalmsea
02-17-2013, 05:52 PM
I was thinking about this the other day- when did the band members "clean up?"

I don't mean Stevie, we know all about her situation :laugh:

I am not familiar with their exact battles- wasn't John an alcoholic? Is he sober now? Has he discussed his addiction at all?

When did the cocaine and alcohol stop in large quantities for Lindsey, Christine, and Mick? Did anyone besides Stevie go to rehab?

Oh and one more unrelated question- has Christine ever talked about not having children?

Thanks!

michelej1
02-17-2013, 05:57 PM
As of 1997 Stevie was saying John still drank and what are they going to do? She said they couldn't throw him up against a wall and make him stop.

I don't know if he's stopped since then. For SYW everyone was talking about how much mellower they all were than they were in days past, so I got the impression that John wasn't getting drunk and angry any more.

He has talked about his drinking to the extent that it hurt Christine and she got tired of seeing him that way.

Michele

Andrew Smith
02-17-2013, 05:57 PM
I do know that Stevie was the only member of Fleetwood Mac who ever went to rehab. She mentioned this in an interview a few years ago.

Ulpian
02-17-2013, 06:01 PM
Christine smokes but no longer drinks or takes drugs.

She mentioned in 2004 that she might have liked children and that it was a regret, but that it just didn't happen.

As for John, he drank heavily on The Dance tour from one article I read. I think it was the Guardian here when they accompanied the band on the first few tour dates. John got really drunk and was still talking about Christine; very sad. However, I really think not having her on tour helped him post-1998.

CADreaming
02-17-2013, 06:09 PM
In 2009 in the Don't Stop doc Stevie said she didn't know if the others ever went to rehab. I find that hard to believe - that she didn't know, but I guessed it was her way of not speaking for them.

MikeInNV
02-17-2013, 06:49 PM
I do know that Stevie was the only member of Fleetwood Mac who ever went to rehab. She mentioned this in an interview a few years ago.

I was told by Sharon Celani that Christine went to rehab, and that's why she didn't want to perform with the Mac when they were in London; she thought she could only do it if she had a drink first.

Ulpian
02-17-2013, 06:52 PM
I was told by Sharon Celani that Christine went to rehab, and that's why she didn't want to perform with the Mac when they were in London; she thought she could only do it if she had a drink first.

I wonder if she was on the Chivas Regal before her stage performance last week?!

elle
02-17-2013, 08:07 PM
I was thinking about this the other day- when did the band members "clean up?"

I don't mean Stevie, we know all about her situation :laugh:

I am not familiar with their exact battles- wasn't John an alcoholic? Is he sober now? Has he discussed his addiction at all?

When did the cocaine and alcohol stop in large quantities for Lindsey, Christine, and Mick? Did anyone besides Stevie go to rehab?

i was wondering about that re Lindsey too. Lindsey kept saying during the Dance days how nice it is to be together again with Stevie and Mick now that they are themselves again, so obviously the 3 of them must have been clean by then.

i'm thinking that Lindsey's quitting the band in 1987, with all the other often discussed reasons, may have had something to do with trying to clean up too (obviously you can't do that in the company of people who will undermine your efforts), but maybe not yet at that time. i am kinda thinking he got off harder drugs sometime between 1987 and 1992, but during OOTC time there's no doubt he was still on something or other... there are some of his radio interviews from that time where he clearly seemed out of it. so i'm thinking that Lindsey definitely cleaned up some time between 1993 and 1995 or 1996 maybe? i have no idea whether he went to rehab or not, but it seems very obvious he has had tons of therapy.

don't know whether he still drinks on occasion (like celebrating a bday, or a glass of wine with the meal?), although i would suspect if he does that it's never heavily anymore. he doesn't smell like cigarette smoke, but that may be because he always seems to chew gum when not performing... during SWS tour you could see his other band members always smoking outside the venue, but not him.

i would love to hear people's insight on this, i know there are people who paid attention to these kinds of things much more than me.

WildHearted
02-17-2013, 08:09 PM
I tend to think that Lindsey either already had or was starting to mellow down on that lifestyle(pot not withstanding) by the Tango era.

aleuzzi
02-17-2013, 08:21 PM
I was told by Sharon Celani that Christine went to rehab, and that's why she didn't want to perform with the Mac when they were in London; she thought she could only do it if she had a drink first.

I had never heard this. Interesting. So I'm assuming if she went to rehab it was sometime after the Dance tour, presumably before In the Meantime...

jenniferuk
02-17-2013, 08:38 PM
This might be the article referenced above-Oct 1997. John was drinking and Mick mentions being sober for 7 yrs.

I found, and still find, this so sad. I flew over from London for that Detroit show and it was a bit sluggish, but I had full FM reunion fever and savoured every moment. However, I had hoped that JM had found a bit of peace (after sobering up in the late 80s following a seizure I seem to recall).

www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/articles/archive/FMart_arc009.html


Oddball: The Dance Tour Review

Rumours-era Fleetwood Mac: reunited for the music,
for each other and for something to do



Q Magazine 1997
By Mark Blake

PALACE AT UBURN HILLS, MICHICAN
October 4, 1997



The banner is still visible in the 10th row of this 16,000-seat basketball arena: “My name is Rhiannon. I am five years old and I love Fleetwood Mac!” Judging by the fact that if flutters above the heads of the audience, it’s unlikely that the bearer is the five-year-old Rhiannon herself. Nevertheless, the sentiment is clear. For one couple here, Fleetwood Mac were such a defining presence in their lives that they had to name their child after one of the band’s songs. For one segment of the American populace, the reunion of this particular incarnation of Fleetwood Mac (the commercially lucrative one: Mick Fleetwood, John and Christine McVie, Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks) is a serious affair.

Rhiannon, the song, shows up late in a 150-minute set. By then the heartstrings of this partisan throng have already been tugged by the fluid, tuneful Dreams, Landslide and Gypsy, just what the audience of fortysomethings and their offspring – eager to see their folks’ favourite band – expect. The hangar-like sports hall is located in a sprawl of greenery, an hour’s drive north of Detroit. Aside from the West Coast with which they were so closely identified, if is there far-flung corners of the American heartland that is Fleetwood Mac country.

Three weeks into the tour and the band’s new album, The Dance, a recording of their reunion concert for MTV, is still nestling in the Billboard Top 5. The last Fleetwood Mac album, Time, in 1995, recorded with sole survivors Fleetwood and John McVie, failed to enter the American charts. Humiliated, they threw in the towel.

Cynicism dictates a cautious approach to such get-togethers, but as the band deliver their opening gambit, The Chain, replete with Buckingham’s almost comically brilliant guitar workout, only the most unforgiving could find fault. As Buckingham notices later with rascally glee, “Sure, go ahead, talk about the money, but there’s an emotional resonance to what we’re doing in these shows that you won’t have got from The Eagles,” whose Don Henley serenade Nicks, Buckingham’s ex.



The emotional resonance was always a selling point, especially on 1977’s 23-million-shifting Rumours, recorded while Buckingham and Nicks’s relationship crumbled, the McVie marriage fell apart and Fleetwood’s wife sloped off with his best friend. Inevitably, the set draws largely from this album and the four others recorded by this line-up between 1978 and 1987. And what a curious line-up it is: Fleetwood, implausibly tall and decked out in a pantomime pirate’s outfit; McVie, his hangdog, sad-eyed bass-playing partner; ex-wife Christine, charmingly posh – like a minor royal in velvet leggings; Buckingham, serious, undeniably gifted and very Californian (“My lawyers and manager both signified that this tour could be a good move for me in the long term”) and Nicks, mid-‘70s uberbabe, mid-‘80s solo superstar, and perhaps the only 49-year-old woman with the gall to appear on stage wearing platform heels high enough to give Ginger Spice vertigo.

It is Nicks to whom the audience warm most, her faintly ludicrous routine of tambourine pounding and pirouettes egging them into mild hysteria. Yet when she husks her way through Gold Dust Woman – a spooky homage to the cocaine that, in the word of Buckingham, “rendered us bleary-eyed for a long time” – her act’s sometimes pantomime showiness is upstaged by the eerie quality of her voice.

Offstage, all five seen surprised, amused and even a little embarrassed about working together again.

“The music is easy,” states Nicks earnestly. “It’s the other stuff that’s hard. But I realised a long time ago that there is no Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey. If it can’t be with him, then let’s not do it.”

The “we all love each other” party line may be trotted out once too often, but Nicks’s platitudes are not completely misguided. Buckingham remains the band’s musical linchpin; instilling a touch of barely-controlled mania into the jerky, angular 1979 hit single Tusk (“Back then I really wanted to be in The Clash,” he will confess later) and playing the tetchy, demanding musical foul to the more melodic Nicks and Christine McVie. It’s little wonder the band foundered without him.

Go Your Own Way sees out the main set, Buckingham and Nicks – once American rock’s most beautiful couple, all too quickly a grudge match in cheesecloth and flares – ham it up, trading knowing looks and even returning to the stage holding hands.

“Sure, we’re playing it out,” admits Buckingham, looking faintly appalled. “But when I quit the band, Stevie and I still had unresolved issues. It’s kinda nice to be getting along again.”

After the show, the general consensus of opinion seems to be that the show flagged a little. John McVie confesses to “sluggishness”, while Nicks grumbles that it was too long. To the onlooker though, there’s nothing that couldn’t be rectified by judicious pruning and a tweak of the set list. Buckingham’s solo spot, including a pared-down Big Love, is superb; the group’s parting shot of Brian Wilson’s The Farmer’s Daughter understated and effective.

Cosseted by a 150-strong staff, including no less than seven fractious managers, the saga of this oddball gathering of ex-wives and husbands continues to play in the manner of what Christine McVie freely describes as “a mini-soap opera”.

“America wants a happy ending to the fairy story,” she laughs. “I’m sure there were people out there tonight who genuinely believe that Stevie and Lindsey will be reunited, and everything will be alright again. Let me say now that will never happen.”

Ms McVie seems the least likely to entertain anything more permanent.

“I’m moving back to England soon, Kent actually,” she says, cheerily. “What I really want to do is open a restaurant.”

This odd gathering of five wildly different individuals is never more evident than back at the band’s hotel after the show. Having emerged from a limousine, John McVie ambles into the lobby and heads straight for the bar where he will hold court, tipsy but touchingly affable, for the next two hours (“My ex-wife’s a luverly, luverly lady, even though she told me to **** off,” he informs no one in particular).

In contrast, Stevie Nicks’s arrival is heralded by six handmaidens, who huddle around their mistress before hustling her in a pincer-like movement towards the waiting lift.

“Christ knows why this band works but it does,” avers Fleetwood. “Lindsey asked me and John to work on his solo album and it just took off from there. I wanted it to happen, but I didn’t dare ask for almost a year. We’re survivors. Being in this band is like going to that Gordonstoun school in Scotland that ****ed Prince Charles up.”

Older, wise and straighter – “I’ve been clean for seven years” – Fleetwood is adamant that he won’t force anyone into a more permanent commitment.

“If we go to Europe, great. If we split up at Christmas, that’s fine too. Let’s be dignified about it.”

Yet there’s still a nagging feeling that for him and McVie, there is no life without Fleetwood Mac.

“John asked me the other day, What are we going to do when this is all over?” he shrugs, before outlining a remarkably detailed game plan to get ex-Fleetwood Mac guitarist Peter Green’s solo career back on track. “I’d love to help him,” he whispers, with a conspiratorial wink.

“It’s working at the moment,” concedes Buckingham. “But there have already been times when I’m up there hammering away and I start thinking, Jesus, How did I end up back here?”

With three excellent but largely unsuccessful solo albums to his name Buckingham admits the reunion might help him sell a few more of his own records next time around. “That’s, er, kinda the idea,” he confesses, nervously.



The next evening’s gig is in Indianapolis and in the morning there’s a private plane waiting at a nearby airstrip. Limousines pull up kerbside; Nicks’s entourage usher her into lobby; a clearly hungover John McVie re-appears.

“Y’know before Lindsey and I joined we had to steal ourselves not to go into stores,” recalls Nicks, stepping into the stretchiest of limousines. “Six months later we were earning $400 a week each and I was totally famous. We used to pin $100 bills up on the walls of our apartment just for fun. You go through that with someone, you don’t forget.”

At the airstrip she follows her former other half into the plane. Strangely, this time they don’t hold hands.

..

bombaysaffires
02-17-2013, 08:50 PM
Q Magazine 1997
By Mark Blake

PALACE AT UBURN HILLS, MICHICAN
October 4, 1997


Offstage, all five seen surprised, amused and even a little embarrassed about working together again.

“The music is easy,” states Nicks earnestly. “It’s the other stuff that’s hard. But I realised a long time ago that there is no Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey. If it can’t be with him, then let’s not do it.”


Go Your Own Way sees out the main set, Buckingham and Nicks – once American rock’s most beautiful couple, all too quickly a grudge match in cheesecloth and flares – ham it up, trading knowing looks and even returning to the stage holding hands.

“Sure, we’re playing it out,” admits Buckingham, looking faintly appalled. “But when I quit the band, Stevie and I still had unresolved issues. It’s kinda nice to be getting along again.”



“America wants a happy ending to the fairy story,” she laughs. “I’m sure there were people out there tonight who genuinely believe that Stevie and Lindsey will be reunited, and everything will be alright again. Let me say now that will never happen.”


In contrast, Stevie Nicks’s arrival is heralded by six handmaidens, who huddle around their mistress before hustling her in a pincer-like movement towards the waiting lift.


“It’s working at the moment,” concedes Buckingham. “But there have already been times when I’m up there hammering away and I start thinking, Jesus, How did I end up back here?”

With three excellent but largely unsuccessful solo albums to his name Buckingham admits the reunion might help him sell a few more of his own records next time around. “That’s, er, kinda the idea,” he confesses, nervously.




..

Thanks for posting, I hadn't seen this one before.

elle
02-17-2013, 08:51 PM
The “we all love each other” party line may be trotted out once too often, but Nicks’s platitudes are not completely misguided.

.........

Go Your Own Way sees out the main set, Buckingham and Nicks – once American rock’s most beautiful couple, all too quickly a grudge match in cheesecloth and flares – ham it up, trading knowing looks and even returning to the stage holding hands.

“Sure, we’re playing it out,” admits Buckingham, looking faintly appalled. “But when I quit the band, Stevie and I still had unresolved issues. It’s kinda nice to be getting along again.”

.........

the saga of this oddball gathering of ex-wives and husbands continues to play in the manner of what Christine McVie freely describes as “a mini-soap opera”.

“America wants a happy ending to the fairy story,” she laughs. “I’m sure there were people out there tonight who genuinely believe that Stevie and Lindsey will be reunited, and everything will be alright again. Let me say now that will never happen.”

............

“Y’know before Lindsey and I joined we had to steal ourselves not to go into stores,” recalls Nicks, stepping into the stretchiest of limousines. “Six months later we were earning $400 a week each and I was totally famous. We used to pin $100 bills up on the walls of our apartment just for fun. You go through that with someone, you don’t forget.”

At the airstrip she follows her former other half into the plane. Strangely, this time they don’t hold hands.

these parts made me laugh... they sound exactly like things such as all the handholding discussed in thread about 2013 press and videos. nothing ever changes, does it? ;)

bombaysaffires
02-17-2013, 08:52 PM
As of 1997 Stevie was saying John still drank and what are they going to do? She said they couldn't throw him up against a wall and make him stop.

I don't know if he's stopped since then. For SYW everyone was talking about how much mellower they all were than they were in days past, so I got the impression that John wasn't getting drunk and angry any more.

He has talked about his drinking to the extent that it hurt Christine and she got tired of seeing him that way.

Michele

well, it sounds like he didn't stop drinking, even then, and not for decades after. Do we think his drinking was better controlled in later years, or that Julie just handles it better?

elle
02-17-2013, 08:53 PM
Thanks for posting, I hadn't seen this one before.

:laugh: we highlighted some of the same parts, at the same time :nod:

jenniferuk
02-17-2013, 08:54 PM
these parts made me laugh... they sound exactly like things such as all the handholding discussed in thread about 2013 press and videos. nothing ever changes, does it? ;)

Never! Loved, admired, treasured them for decades and it is always the same fantastic, delicious, aggravating soap opera!

jenniferuk
02-17-2013, 08:56 PM
Thanks for posting, I hadn't seen this one before.

Sure thing. It is a favourite article of mine.

bombaysaffires
02-17-2013, 09:20 PM
:laugh: we highlighted some of the same parts, at the same time :nod:

I saw that! :thumbsup:

Except you were smarter and edited yours and I didn't... so I went back and fixed mine so it's not so dang long.:D

Andrew Smith
02-17-2013, 09:47 PM
In a 1984 interview with Rolling Stone (just after his Go Insane album was released), Lindsey said he still liked cocaine, but that it had never been a problem for him. This can be found in the approximately 22nd paragraph down...

http://bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.php?page=index_v2&id=60&c=9

elle
02-17-2013, 09:50 PM
In a 1984 interview with Rolling Stone (just after his Go Insane album was released), Lindsey said he still liked cocaine, but that it has never been a problem for him. This can be found in the approximately 22nd paragraph down...

http://bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.php?page=index_v2&id=60&c=9

i remember reading him saying that multiple times over the years... honestly sounds like someone being in denial to me.:shrug:

although Mick did say that Lindsey was always more disciplined person then the rest of them.

michelej1
02-17-2013, 09:57 PM
i remember reading him saying that multiple times over the years... honestly sounds like someone being in denial to me.:shrug:

although Mick did say that Lindsey was always more disciplined person then the rest of them.

Stevie said the same thing about Lindsey and cocaine. He has his own addictions, but I think cocaine was relatively easy for him to get away from and, it may sound silly when we're talking about drug abuse, but I actually think the monetary component was a factor for him. If you gave him cocaine he'd take it, but I don't think he's going to be buying it. Also, watching CAH's decline and change from the person she was when they met seems to have made a mark on him. Rightly or wrongly, I think he holds cocaine almost entirely responsible for that and it served as an extra disincentive for him.

Michele

michelej1
02-17-2013, 10:06 PM
well, it sounds like he didn't stop drinking, even then, and not for decades after. Do we think his drinking was better controlled in later years, or that Julie just handles it better?

You know the closest we've ever gotten to knowing anything about Julie is CAH's book. Although it was more than 30 years ago, when John was arrested, Julie was too. So, who knows what kind of problems that she had on her own aside from his. Maybe they battled demons together.

Michele

SteveMacD
02-17-2013, 10:28 PM
Stevie said the same thing about Lindsey and cocaine. He has his own addictions
Do you know that he has an "addiction"?

michelej1
02-17-2013, 10:32 PM
Do you know that he has an "addiction"?

Wasn't indicating that he is addicted to any controlled substances. Michele

Sanne2
02-18-2013, 05:48 AM
I this interview from 1997 Mick claims het got sober 6 years ago:
Six years ago, he decided to take charge of his life, and in an impressive turnaround, gave up cocaine and liquor cold turkey.
''After a while, it turned into a nightmare,'' Mr. Fleetwood recalled. ''The party after the gig was sometimes more important than the gig.'' He has said that in those days, ''I'd get off a plane. I'd have to meet a dealer. It was horrible, and you become beholden to it.''
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/30/business/talking-money-with-mick-fleetwood-there-s-no-stopping-tomorrow.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Ulpian
02-18-2013, 08:14 AM
"Even 20 years later, McVie still appeared to be carrying a torch for her. One night during the 1997 tour we all got drunk together in the hotel bar after a gig and he decided to address the entire room on the subject.

“She’s a lovely, lovely lady, my ex-wife, even though she told me to **** off,” he bellowed at bemused fellow guests before he struggled to his feet and knocked over an entire table of drinks."

http://www.uncut.co.uk/fleetwood-mac/fleetwood-mac-everybody-was-pretty-weirded-out-feature

This is about John on The Dance tour.

Hellolovely
02-18-2013, 09:22 AM
As far as I've been told, Chris gave up drugs somewhere between 84 and 87, and stopped drinking and smoking as much during that time period too. Eddy Q was a huge influence in this because he was a pretty straight guy himself. Chris said herself she gave up drinking altogether in the early 2000's....but to my knowledge she never went to any formal rehab program.

Tango
02-18-2013, 09:28 AM
Oh and one more unrelated question- has Christine ever talked about not having children?

Thanks!

Not sure what you are looking for exactly. Are you asking if she has any regrets or are you asking why she doesn't have any? She seems like someone that knows when her mind is made up. Christine had herself sterilized a long time ago. If memory serves me correctly, you can find that somewhere in the Blue Letter Archives here on The Penguin.

Ah- here it is: http://bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.php?page=index_v2&id=536&c=18

"Mick Fleetwood, for example, besides apparently still in love with Jenny (sister of Patti) Boyd, his ex-wife of two divorces, suffers from both diabetes and a related condition the exact opposite of diabetes; Fleetwood mustn't eat sugar and must eat a lot of sugar. One wonders at the possible cause of such an imbalance within his body. Meanwhile, remarried John McVie (the band's "Penguin" logo stems from the bassist's fascination for the bird-he even has one tattooed on his forearm), for many the definition of a Good Bloke, continues to seem happiest with a glass in his hand. Christine McVie, who has taken up with recently fired Beach Boy Dennis Wilson, seems to epitomize the paradoxes scattered throughout all aspects of the group: a Cancer, with all its mother (Earth) implications, she had herself sterilized, a very Californian thing to do."
Trouser Press, April 1980

Fleetwood Mac
Can't Go Home Again
By Chris Salewicz

(Thanks to Karen for posting this to the Ledge and to Anusha for formatting and sending it to us.)

bluecalmsea
02-18-2013, 09:46 AM
Wow- thank you all so much for the info and articles! Very interesting reads.

Tango~ I thought I had read about Chris choosing to be sterilized, thank you for that reference. I was curious only because it seems that Stevie has talked about these issues on many occasions, but we don't hear from the other band members to that extent, when they did have problems to deal with too.

Thanks again! :)

I'msoAfraid95
02-18-2013, 11:56 AM
I thought john got sober after having a seizure in '87? :shrug: I guess he must of have fallen off wagon by '97. :confused:

bombaysaffires
02-18-2013, 01:36 PM
Do you know that he has an "addiction"?

well, he certainly had a well-documented love affair with pot. by all accounts he and richard dashut could have been cheech and chong.

his "fondness" for pot kinda makes sense, really. pot generally mellows people out. coke amps them up. given that lindsey's already a pretty intense personality naturally, it would seem more fitting that he would not be as into a drug that further amps him up but rather one that chills him out.

michelej1
02-18-2013, 02:17 PM
"Even 20 years later, McVie still appeared to be carrying a torch for her. One night during the 1997 tour we all got drunk together in the hotel bar after a gig and he decided to address the entire room on the subject.

“She’s a lovely, lovely lady, my ex-wife, even though she told me to **** off,” he bellowed at bemused fellow guests before he struggled to his feet and knocked over an entire table of drinks."

http://www.uncut.co.uk/fleetwood-mac/fleetwood-mac-everybody-was-pretty-weirded-out-feature

This is about John on The Dance tour.

I wonder how John handled the meeting with Christine in Hawaii. He was moved I'm sure. I wonder if he went back to Honolulu right after. Michele

SteveMacD
02-18-2013, 02:26 PM
well, he certainly had a well-documented love affair with pot. by all accounts he and richard dashut could have been cheech and chong.
Being a user, even a problem user, isn't the same as being an addict.

I'msoAfraid95
02-18-2013, 02:43 PM
well, he certainly had a well-documented love affair with pot. by all accounts he and richard dashut could have been cheech and chong.



LMAO. I think that comparison is a little extreme.

During the recording of Rumours, didn't they keep a 5 lb sack of cocaine under the desk? I think that Richard ans Ken played a trick on the band, by pretending to spill the sack, but they actually spilled a bag of flour or something. I think Richard said that John dived over the desk to try and save the bag. :lol:

Ulpian
02-18-2013, 03:26 PM
I wonder how John handled the meeting with Christine in Hawaii. He was moved I'm sure. I wonder if he went back to Honolulu right after. Michele

I don't know. I think in the back of his mind he will always adore her.

bombaysaffires
02-19-2013, 01:28 AM
Being a user, even a problem user, isn't the same as being an addict.

I never actually used the word "addict".

I was being somewhat facetious. I seem to recall some story about them in a car smoking pot and it brings to mind scenes from Cheech and Chong movies. It paints a pretty funny picture.

I might suggest tho that the line between "problem user" and "addict" can be somewhat murky.

bombaysaffires
02-19-2013, 01:30 AM
LMAO. I think that comparison is a little extreme.


thank you for getting the humorous intent

SteveMacD
02-19-2013, 01:54 AM
I might suggest tho that the line between "problem user" and "addict" can be somewhat murky.
But, once that line is crossed, an addict is always an addict, whereas the problem user can quit or moderate. It would be like a pickle trying to become a cucumber again.

bombaysaffires
02-19-2013, 02:00 AM
But, once that line is crossed, an addict is always an addict, whereas the problem user can quit or moderate. It would be like a pickle trying to become a cucumber again.


Fair enough. Though I must say I've never thought of it in pickle terms before ; )

elle
02-19-2013, 10:52 AM
re Lindsey and alcohol these days, a friend of mine found this post from 2007, when mylittledemon bought him a drink -

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=666188&postcount=10

michelej1
02-19-2013, 02:58 PM
re Lindsey and alcohol these days, a friend of mine found this post from 2007, when mylittledemon bought him a drink -

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=666188&postcount=10

This is great. I've never read it before. That's funny Lindsey saying, "there's always an evil twin." It actually reminds me of schtick Jay Leno used to do when he was actually a comedian and tolerable.

Michele

CADreaming
02-19-2013, 03:23 PM
re Lindsey and alcohol these days, a friend of mine found this post from 2007, when mylittledemon bought him a drink -

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=666188&postcount=10

Yeah, I've heard he doesn't drink anymore. Funny he said that about bourbon. I remember reading Stevie say recently that "Lindsey would have went for the bourbon." Back in the day. I've also read he liked imported beer.