Analyzing album covers: The Dance [Archive]

Villavic

02-07-2013, 02:55 PM

So this topic is about commenting an album cover. What you like, what you dislike, what you think about this, how a member looks, etc.

I'm starting with The Dance. It was celebrating a Rumours anniversary so no surprise Mick poses like in the original album, but at the same time I thought (the first time I saw the album) Why isn't he more creative? Again the crystal ball? He already posed like Rumours in his book "My 25 years in Fleetwood Mac".

Stevie looks gorgeous. I think she tried to transmit the "I'm still the hot girl in the band" message, and she really does it. Probably a bit of photoshop but not exceeded like in the IYD cover.

Christine, as in almost the entire Dance show, looks too serious. I don't knw if she was thinking "How did they convince me to come to America?" or she was just living a hard time that year, probably because of his marriage end or something.

What did you think when you saw the album cover?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515%2BCtS4XHL._SL500_SS500_.jpg

WildHearted

02-07-2013, 03:51 PM

What did you think when you saw the album cover?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515%2BCtS4XHL._SL500_SS500_.jpg

What did I think?

Who is the new girl and what happened to Christine.

Fireflies

02-07-2013, 03:54 PM

i can never find any of the hidden penguins. :lol:

cantgoback

02-07-2013, 03:57 PM

I have to admit, I'm not a fan of this cover, I don't like the color scheme at all really but it's ok, it's a live album, it doesn't have to be perfect.

bluecalmsea

02-07-2013, 04:15 PM

I *love* it- but that's because the first Fleetwood Mac song I ever heard was "Silver Springs." I am super sentimental about everything with The Dance because of that. This marks the beginning of my obsession ;)

I was 12 when this came out and would watch MTV play this concert and did not know until I bought the VHS and read the back of it, that Stevie was a woman and Lindsey was a man- totally mixed them up.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_se0zHB8H7oU/S_MdVD2bdLI/AAAAAAAACgo/3ZVykde39go/s1600/Fleetwood+Mac+-+The+Dance+-+Cover+(1-2).jpg

Lindsey looks like he's gonna mess someone up with that crowbar though haha.

beccamorrisfift

02-07-2013, 05:30 PM

I wondered since when had Lindsey taken up golf. And what the hell is going on with his legs.

mylittledemon

02-07-2013, 06:32 PM

Stevie looks gorgeous. I think she tried to transmit the "I'm still the hot girl in the band" message, and she really does it. Probably a bit of photoshop but not exceeded like in the IYD cover.

I have always thought the exact opposite. Look at Stevie on that cover and then look at footage of her from The Dance. They look like two different people almost.

Anyway... I like the cover well enough, but yeah Lindsey should've been doing something else. Maybe if he'd been holding the cane in a different way or perhaps?

WatchChain

02-07-2013, 06:40 PM

Christine McVie has been photoshopped almost to the point of "beyond recognition" on this cover. Don't get me wrong, it looks good, it just doesn't look exactly like Chris.

There is some photoshopping going on with Stevie as well, but not as extreme. Also, thank God for hair extensions. Where were these in the 70's? Both of our FM girls are rocking some serious clip-on hair.....:nod:

CADreaming

02-07-2013, 06:44 PM

i can never find any of the hidden penguins. :lol:

:laugh:

I always think "My God, what a mess! That must've been one helluva fight!" :D

I'msoAfraid95

02-07-2013, 07:10 PM

Its ok, I guess
John looks the best and the coolest.
Mick, man enough of your balls! :laughs:
Chris, crack a smile please.
Stevie, really must your clothes cover the entire piano?
Lindsey, are you gonna whack somebody with that crowbar? :p

michelej1

02-07-2013, 11:55 PM

I think their poses are really odd and unnatural for everyone. Lindsey said they were trying to create their own little circle. Most of the press photos they did for the Dance were very strange. Kooky. But I appreciated the humor, I guess. If you can't revel in the band's quirkiness, then there's nothing left.

As for Christine, I always say some woman tied her up, threw her in a closet and took her place for that photo shoot. Same thing with the Meantime cover. Don't know who that woman was or why she hasn't been arrested. As mentioned above, Stevie was heavily photoshopped too, but she is recognizable as Stevie Nicks. The other woman . . . I don't know who she might be.

Michele

GarboSpeaks!

02-08-2013, 12:53 AM

I always thought Lindsey looked like a little person, and that Chris' head looks smooshed sideways. John & Mick the usual. Stevie tho ravishing-WAY too much photo shop, imho, more so than IYD. There's a shot of this room minus the band members and I think that sould have been the cover. An element of each individual.

johnnystorms

02-08-2013, 01:18 AM

i LOVE David La Chapelle's pics... they are VERY stylized and unnatural. but they WISELY chose a modern photographer to do their big comeback cover pics!

michelej1

02-08-2013, 01:25 AM

There's a shot of this room minus the band members

Oh, I didn't realize that or, if I knew it, I forgot.

Because of the lack of color contrast, it's really hard for me to make out all of the objects in the photo, so If I saw the empty room, I might not be able to pick out anything -- except the piano!

Michele

GarboSpeaks!

02-08-2013, 03:39 AM

i LOVE David La Chapelle's pics... they are VERY stylized and unnatural. but they WISELY chose a modern photographer to do their big comeback cover pics!

He's super awesome but his work and the Mac just really didn't seem to mesh-again imo. But that said, I also have always wondered why the heck there aren't more Dance era shots of the band. There is the smallest handful from this time that aren't live shots. You'd think a big "Rumours" re-do would warrent a ton of pics, and that by now a hell of a lot more would have surfaced.

vivfox

02-08-2013, 08:40 AM

I never bought this album. At the time I was irritated that they performed the same tired setlist and couldn't sound as good as they had in their past, with the exception of Silver Springs. That song was the bomb. This cover is ok but still annoyed me because the walls are so white that they fade out the room. I have to look closely to see they are in a room with walls and a ceiling. Also that weird white doodling above Stevie's head is very distracting to her face. Is it trying to say some word? Stevie was not this thin in 1997 but I knew she was thinking about 100 years from now when people will view this and think she looked so hot. They'd never know the real numbers on her scale. Christine looks angry and Lindsey looks like he's going to take that golf club and whack a chiff. John and Mick are the only ones who look natural.

wondergirl9847

02-08-2013, 09:02 AM

Also that weird white doodling above Stevie's head is very distracting to her face. Is it trying to say some word?

It looks like a fallen chandelier, or something, to me.

The thing in Lindsey's hand represents a guitar and I think it is a cane, right?

My fave pic of the Dance era is the Rolling Stone one of Lindsey and Christine with the swords. :thumbsup:

seekerj

02-08-2013, 10:19 AM

:laugh:

I always think "My God, what a mess! That must've been one helluva fight!" :D

:thumbsup:

Villavic

02-08-2013, 12:03 PM

i can never find any of the hidden penguins. :lol:

There are hidden penguins???

bombaysaffires

02-08-2013, 12:14 PM

do we think they were really all there together, or were they shot individually and photo collaged together? (I tend to vote the latter....tho Mick and Stevie look like they might have actually been there together)

KarmaContestant

02-08-2013, 12:44 PM

i LOVE David La Chapelle's pics... they are VERY stylized and unnatural. but they WISELY chose a modern photographer to do their big comeback cover pics!

Agreed - and I love his photos of Stevie from 1994:

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3544/stewg5.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbxxes0v6q1qcaugio1_500.jpg

moon

02-08-2013, 01:32 PM

Photoshop in 1997???? :laugh::laugh:
Christine looks so good, even serious. Her hair, her clothes...
Mick with the ball. Well, for their reunion, for their new tour, remember a part of Rumours and their best moments maybe was a good idea.
Stevie looks fine, but I never liked her hair there...And she's not trying to catch the ball.
Lindsey has a "golf stick", and wants to break something (maybe the piano).
And John is just...John!

mylittledemon

02-08-2013, 02:07 PM

I never bought this album. .

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1kdi7SuPk1r8y09f.gif

Photoshop in 1997????

S'been around for 20 years now... :nod:

michelej1

02-08-2013, 02:19 PM

He's super awesome but his work and the Mac just really didn't seem to mesh-again imo. But that said, I also have always wondered why the heck there aren't more Dance era shots of the band. There is the smallest handful from this time that aren't live shots. You'd think a big "Rumours" re-do would warrent a ton of pics, and that by now a hell of a lot more would have surfaced.

True. They were together for the first time in 10 years. You'd think there'd be press pictures of them from every venue. Wish the reunion had happened when camera phones were ubiquitous and at least we'd have fan pictures.

Michele

CADreaming

02-08-2013, 02:25 PM

There are hidden penguins???

:lol::lol::lol:

mylittledemon

02-08-2013, 03:04 PM

True. They were together for the first time in 10 years. You'd think there'd be press pictures of them from every venue. Wish the reunion had happened when camera phones were ubiquitous and at least we'd have fan pictures.

Michele

Maybe someone can get Neal Preston on the horn? He and I spoke in 2007 about printing up some photos from The Dance era. He said he "had so much unseen stuff it would make your head spin"... he farted around on the phone with me a few times... seemed keen... then he trailed off more and more until he just wouldnt return my calls or emails. Clearly the man is busy. ;)

KarmaContestant

02-08-2013, 04:12 PM

Photoshop in 1997???? :laugh::laugh:

I am not sure what you mean by this, but I had Photoshop in 1999 and it was definitely around in 1997. The program saw it's first release (1.0) in 1990.

MikeInNV

02-08-2013, 04:55 PM

I am not sure what you mean by this, but I had Photoshop in 1999 and it was definitely around in 1997. The program saw it's first release (1.0) in 1990.

And retouching photos was around long before that.....it just wasn't done with Photoshop. (Some of the young Ledgies don't know that TVs used to have knobs that you used to change the channel...after you got off the couch and walked all the way over to it.)

KarmaContestant

02-08-2013, 05:56 PM

I'msoAfraid95

02-08-2013, 06:29 PM

And retouching photos was around long before that.....it just wasn't done with Photoshop. (Some of the young Ledgies don't know that TVs used to have knobs that you used to change the channel...after you got off the couch and walked all the way over to it.)

My grandmother still has one of those kind of TVs. I was 11 when I first used it. It took me forever to figure out how to change the channels. :shrug: I thought that my grandmother had hidden the remote to make me get off my lazy butt to change the channels. :lol:

juniper

02-08-2013, 08:11 PM

I wondered since when had Lindsey taken up golf. And what the hell is going on with his legs.

:nod: I always wondered the same thing! He looks like he's lost on a mini-golf course looking for the restroom... For a guy who apparently was annoyed that he wasn't on the cover of Rumours (and other albums?), I was surprised that he was OK with this particular pose. I wonder if the photog wanted to insist on no instruments, and Lindsey had a hard time chilling without a guitar in his hands, so they handed him that club??
-About the title itself, is there a story to the album/tour name 'The Dance'? I know in a few rehearsal videos, LB and SN are kind of dancing around together, and it's been mentioned in (a few??) of their songs, like SYW : it always seems to heal the wounds if I can get you to dance... IS that a LB/SN thing?

moon

02-08-2013, 08:50 PM

Sorry people, I meant that I could not believe that photoshop was used as today. I say, even in the 90s, the pictures were maybe more "natural", without a little help from some software.
Regards!

dreamer78

02-08-2013, 09:33 PM

i LOVE David La Chapelle's pics... they are VERY stylized and unnatural. but they WISELY chose a modern photographer to do their big comeback cover pics!

I agree very modern great choice
-i would think Lindsey was gonna hit Stevie with that cane lol

drzubritsky

02-08-2013, 09:49 PM

:nod: I always wondered the same thing! He looks like he's lost on a mini-golf course looking for the restroom... For a guy who apparently was annoyed that he wasn't on the cover of Rumours (and other albums?), I was surprised that he was OK with this particular pose. I wonder if the photog wanted to insist on no instruments, and Lindsey had a hard time chilling without a guitar in his hands, so they handed him that club??

I always wondered if Lindsey's odd, cross-legged pose was done to somewhat obscure the chubbiness that he had at the time. An unnatural pose is a trick that photographers sometimes use for that purpose.

There is something strange about the angle on Stevie's face in this photo; the picture doesn't really look that much like her. As someone else mentioned, I don't think her weight loss was nearly as significant as publicized. But her face was certainly thinner and she looked beautiful in the concert video.

My overall reaction to the cover photo at the time was...ho hum. The cover didn't reflect the vitality of the music contained within.

vivfox

02-09-2013, 01:06 AM

Agreed - and I love his photos of Stevie from 1994:

The 2nd photo is a classic. Stevie standing on a hookah pipe. But in the first pic she looks like she was dropped in a pile of old junk and her face is so pale, she looks dead.

vivfox

02-09-2013, 01:11 AM

I never bought this album (The Dance)

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1kdi7SuPk1r8y09f.gif

What is on that record that is so exciting other than Silver Springs and Landslide? This is for you, daddy.

To me there are two kinds of FM fans. Before The Dance and AD(after The Dance). So many of you became fans after The Dance. But to me that was a crap live recording. Not worth ever listening to. Besides I had already had the live video of the show they played on MTV at that time. What did I need the CD for?

sodascouts

02-09-2013, 01:25 AM

-About the title itself, is there a story to the album/tour name 'The Dance'? I know in a few rehearsal videos, LB and SN are kind of dancing around together, and it's been mentioned in (a few??) of their songs, like SYW : it always seems to heal the wounds if I can get you to dance... IS that a LB/SN thing?
Here's an excerpt from an article where they discuss it:

So why is this CD called The Dance. What's The Dance?
Stevie: Go ahead Lindsey, it's Matisse.
Lindsey: Ya, we um, were attracted to a painting by Matisse called The Dance that's just five people holding hands dancing in a circle. Uh, it's a very well known painting and ah, there was a history to it that was very much analogous to our situation. And it just had, the feeling of the painting very much reflected how we were feeling when we first got into rehearsal. And so we tried to paraphrase - if you will -that painting in a photograph where we were sort of loosely in a circle of our own...atop the rubble of (laughs) 20 years of history, I'd say.

Source: Stevie and Lindsey Interview on WZLX Radio (http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/articles/archive/FMart_arc007.html)

If you're curious, you can see the painting here (http://0.tqn.com/d/arthistory/1/0/G/_/fr04_matisse.jpg).

mylittledemon

02-09-2013, 04:15 AM

What is on that record that is so exciting other than Silver Springs and Landslide? This is for you, daddy.

To me there are two kinds of FM fans. Before The Dance and AD(after The Dance). So many of you became fans after The Dance. But to me that was a crap live recording. Not worth ever listening to. Besides I had already had the live video of the show they played on MTV at that time. What did I need the CD for?

Are you excluding the Peter Green era fans like chiliD? ;)

What's so exciting? Well, The Chain for starters... it's still my favourite live version of that song. Bleed to Love Her, Silver Springs, Big Love and Landslide were all fantastic as well. I kinda consider those versions the "definitive" versions of the songs :shrug:

Anyway you're right, I had never been a "fan" before The Dance, but when the album came out, I was just coming to that time in my life where music really started speaking to me. That said, the more I started listening to them I realized that I already recognized half of the Buckingham/Nicks era catalog from my childhood anyway. ;)

GJK

02-09-2013, 08:34 AM

... For a guy who apparently was annoyed that he wasn't on the cover of Rumours (and other albums?)...

So, who's that curly guy between Christine and Stevie on the front cover of 'Mirage'?

vivfox

02-09-2013, 08:45 AM

So, who's that curly guy between Christine and Stevie on the front cover of 'Mirage'?

The studio janitor.:p

CADreaming

02-09-2013, 09:49 AM

What's so exciting? Well, The Chain for starters... it's still my favourite live version of that song. Bleed to Love Her, Silver Springs, Big Love and Landslide were all fantastic as well. I kinda consider those versions the "definitive" versions of the songs :shrug:

Anyway you're right, I had never been a "fan" before The Dance, but when the album came out, I was just coming to that time in my life where music really started speaking to me. That said, the more I started listening to them I realized that I already recognized half of the Buckingham/Nicks era catalog from my childhood anyway. ;)

This is me too. But, I didn't immediately embrace them-that didn't happen for me until 2007. That live version of Silver Springs is what got my attention - and I'm not even talking about the video. I just fell in love with that song. Because of that, I became a fan of everything else.

Here's an excerpt from an article where they discuss it:

So why is this CD called The Dance. What's The Dance?
Stevie: Go ahead Lindsey, it's Matisse.
Lindsey: Ya, we um, were attracted to a painting by Matisse called The Dance that's just five people holding hands dancing in a circle. Uh, it's a very well known painting and ah, there was a history to it that was very much analogous to our situation. And it just had, the feeling of the painting very much reflected how we were feeling when we first got into rehearsal. And so we tried to paraphrase - if you will -that painting in a photograph where we were sort of loosely in a circle of our own...atop the rubble of (laughs) 20 years of history, I'd say.

Source: Stevie and Lindsey Interview on WZLX Radio (http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/articles/archive/FMart_arc007.html)

If you're curious, you can see the painting here (http://0.tqn.com/d/arthistory/1/0/G/_/fr04_matisse.jpg).

Thanks for posting this. I think people forget or may not know what inspired the cover.

sodascouts

02-09-2013, 10:36 AM

WatchChain

02-09-2013, 11:32 AM

Sorry people, I meant that I could not believe that photoshop was used as today. I say, even in the 90s, the pictures were maybe more "natural", without a little help from some software.
Regards!

Computers in 1997 ??? Wireless phones in 1997 ???

Photoshop in 1997??? 1997 was the dark ages !!! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

KarmaContestant

02-09-2013, 12:35 PM

What's so exciting? Well, The Chain for starters... it's still my favourite live version of that song.

Really? Lindsey ruins it for me at the end with his high pitched shrill screaming. My favorite is the one from Rumours, or the one from the Mirage tour video. *amazing*

That said, I don't *ever* listen to The Dance anymore, but it got a ton of stereo time in '97.

redbird

02-09-2013, 01:06 PM

I saw this for the first time when my mother bought it (I was 13 or 14 I think), it was the disc that really kick-started being an actual fan of the band, instead of someone who just knew all their songs on classic radio. I liked the blank white room + black-clothed band members, and I recognized the Rumours throwback of Mick and Stevie, though I didn't care for the way she draped all over the piano. I wished that all the other members were equally stylized, but now looking back, it captures their individual personalities accurately.

elle

02-09-2013, 01:09 PM

Really? Lindsey ruins it for me at the end with his high pitched shrill screaming. My favorite is the one from Rumours, or the one from the Mirage tour video. *amazing*

That said, I don't *ever* listen to The Dance anymore, but it got a ton of stereo time in '97.

my favorite is actually the one without FM (talking about breaking the chain :laugh: ) - LB / LBT version from CMT crossroads as well as their jamming/rehearsal version that can be heard on CMT site is really great.

elle

02-09-2013, 01:11 PM

Computers in 1997 ??? Wireless phones in 1997 ???

Photoshop in 1997??? 1997 was the dark ages !!! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

well, i communicated via email in 1991 and was using various gopher and similar "browsers" of that time not long after (pre-Netscape! anyone remembers Netscape?). :shrug: (i'm dating myself i realize lol)

PenguinHead

02-09-2013, 01:19 PM

Really? Lindsey ruins it for me at the end with his high pitched shrill screaming. My favorite is the one from Rumours, or the one from the Mirage tour video. *amazing*

That said, I don't *ever* listen to The Dance anymore, but it got a ton of stereo time in '97.

The definitive live version of The Chain for me, hands down, is the one from the Mirage video.

On the Tusk tour, The Chain was performed much slower, with a dirge-like pace.

On the the Mirage tour it was performed at a faster, urgent pace. Stevie's wail at the end of the first chorus never ceases to give me the chills. Lindsey and Stevie almost seem like they are having an argument as they sing/yell back and forth and over each another. It has a very Jefferson Airplane (Grace Slick/Marty Balin) feel to it. It's just so full with tension and wild energy.

Still, The Dance version is good. It's all cleaned up and smoothed over with the addition of the mini- mac back up players/singers. But it's too safe and somewhat tepid. I actually prefer the Billy and Rick performance of the song over that one.

bluecalmsea

02-09-2013, 01:34 PM

I love the energy in the Mirage version.

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I love the attitude in The Dance one more, personally, though I agree on the shrieking point ;)

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Oh and wow, Tusk is like slow motion!

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elle

02-09-2013, 01:45 PM

http://www.cmt.com/videos/misc/123686/cmt-crossroads-lindsey-buckingham-and-little-big-town-the-chain.jhtml

and unplugged rehearsal -

http://www.cmt.com/videos/misc/125812/cmt-crossroads-lindsey-buckingham-little-big-town-extras-the-chain.jhtml

elle

02-09-2013, 01:48 PM

I love the energy in the Mirage version.

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comments from my 9 yo while watching this version:

[while lindsey yelling chain lyrics] "what is he doing?"
[noticing Christine] "how come they have 2 girls?"

[listening to "never break the chain" lyrics after i explained Christine left] "she sure doesn't care about these lyrics does she?"

bluecalmsea

02-09-2013, 01:51 PM

comments from my 9 yo while watching this version:

[while lindsey yelling chain lyrics] "what is he doing?"
[noticing Christine] "how come they have 2 girls?"

[listening to "never break the chain" lyrics after i explained Christine left] "she sure doesn't care about these lyrics does she?"

:laugh: That kid knows what's up!

michelej1

02-09-2013, 03:20 PM

Computers in 1997 ??? Wireless phones in 1997 ???

Photoshop in 1997??? 1997 was the dark ages !!! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I think I went online in the Prodigy forums in 1992, but for a long time after that I didn't understand what the www was and I didn't know how to navigate outside of Prodigy, Compuserve, and AOL. Genie, Delphi. I paid for many different online services. I just stayed inside their walled gardens and didn't realize there was a wider internet. I didn't see pictures online really either, just text. That may have lasted for 5 years.

Michele

michelej1

02-09-2013, 03:35 PM

No problem. I wonder what was analogous between the history of the paintng and the history of the band. It's not evident from the brief write ups I have read on Matisse and the painting, and I haven't dug any further. Anyone know?

I don't think it has a specific story like Double Suicide. I don't think it was inspired by any particular human beings or events. I think perhaps FM, or Lindsey, thinks that they do with music what Matisse was trying to do with dance, trying to show how it is really primitive and the same now as it was years ago and is universal, instinctive, not learned or something only accomplished by professionals or artists. I mean, it probably appealed to Lindsey in the same sense that he calls himself a reformed primitive.

Matisse said he was inspired by seeing fishermen in 1905 doing a circle dance on a beach. You go different places and see different people and they are all doing the same thing, at heart. And it's been the same for decades and centuries.

Also, Matisse was going through a phase where he was just using cut-outs, forms of people or bodies, and creating a whole by putting those simple cut-outs against more intricate, colorful backgrounds. The elements of the painting didn't arise together. They were put together. So, you start off with something very simple, individual pieces, and you layer them into a more complicated whole and I think that's what Fleetwood Mac does. And is.

Michele

mylittledemon

02-09-2013, 03:56 PM

I think I went online in the Prodigy forums in 1992
Michele

Blows my mind! I didnt even know of the internet's existence until 97-ish...

mylittledemon

02-09-2013, 03:57 PM

Really? Lindsey ruins it for me at the end with his high pitched shrill screaming. My favorite is the one from Rumours, or the one from the Mirage tour video. *amazing*

That said, I don't *ever* listen to The Dance anymore, but it got a ton of stereo time in '97.

Yep. True story. :) I still listen to the album, it probably gets just as many listens from me as Rumours. ;)

elle

02-09-2013, 04:31 PM

Blows my mind! I didnt even know of the internet's existence until 97-ish...

i remember that you could access and search some science sites like CAS from libraries of some universities for an outrageous per minute fee back in the 80s.

not sure whether all's correct here since it's wikipedia but some interesting read -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet#cite_note-stats1-27
"TCP/IP network access expanded again in 1986 when the National Science Foundation Network (NSFNET) provided access to supercomputer sites in the United States from research and education organizations, first at 56 kbit/s and later at 1.5 Mbit/s and 45 Mbit/s.[18] Commercial internet service providers (ISPs) began to emerge in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The ARPANET was decommissioned in 1990. The Internet was commercialized in 1995 when NSFNET was decommissioned, removing the last restrictions on the use of the Internet to carry commercial traffic.[19] The Internet started a rapid expansion to Europe and Australia in the mid to late 1980s[20][21] and to Asia in the late 1980s and early 1990s.[22]"

britt0308

02-09-2013, 04:53 PM

and unplugged rehearsal -

http://www.cmt.com/videos/misc/125812/cmt-crossroads-lindsey-buckingham-little-big-town-extras-the-chain.jhtml

Wow I love this! Thanks for posting elle!

mylittledemon

02-09-2013, 05:14 PM

i remember that you could access and search some science sites like CAS from libraries of some universities for an outrageous per minute fee back in the 80s.

I just had a chat with my bro and he said we got the internet in late '96. Evidently mom and dad only allowed us to use it for email.

CADreaming

02-09-2013, 06:25 PM

I think I went online in the Prodigy forums in 1992, but for a long time after that I didn't understand what the www was and I didn't know how to navigate outside of Prodigy, Compuserve, and AOL. Genie, Delphi. I paid for many different online services. I just stayed inside their walled gardens and didn't realize there was a wider internet. I didn't see pictures online really either, just text. That may have lasted for 5 years.

Michele

And now Google has killed it all!

I don't think it has a specific story like Double Suicide. I don't think it was inspired by any particular human beings or events. I think perhaps FM, or Lindsey, thinks that they do with music what Matisse was trying to do with dance, trying to show how it is really primitive and the same now as it was years ago and is universal, instinctive, not learned or something only accomplished by professionals or artists. I mean, it probably appealed to Lindsey in the same sense that he calls himself a reformed primitive.

Matisse said he was inspired by seeing fishermen in 1905 doing a circle dance on a beach. You go different places and see different people and they are all doing the same thing, at heart. And it's been the same for decades and centuries.

Also, Matisse was going through a phase where he was just using cut-outs, forms of people or bodies, and creating a whole by putting those simple cut-outs against more intricate, colorful backgrounds. The elements of the painting didn't arise together. They were put together. So, you start off with something very simple, individual pieces, and you layer them into a more complicated whole and I think that's what Fleetwood Mac does. And is.

Michele

Fascinating!

I'msoAfraid95

02-09-2013, 07:58 PM

My parents got a computer either right before I was born or shorty after. We had dial-up for about 12 years before we got dsl in `09. Boy I don't miss that. :p

juniper

02-11-2013, 05:06 PM

Wow, thanks sodascouts and michelej1 for the cool info about the origin of the name/photo The Dance! I had never heard that before- :)

Villavic

02-12-2013, 03:46 PM

Computers in 1997 ??? Wireless phones in 1997 ???

Photoshop in 1997??? 1997 was the dark ages !!! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

The Ledge and The Nicks Fix existed in 1997 (I posted my Thanksgiving concert review in The Ledge, when the forum had the old format).

I'm pretty sure there was Photoshop or similar software in 1997. Remember they used Morph software in Michael Jackson's Black & White video (1991). And Photoshop is far more simple than Morph.