must do songs - just 7? or 10? 12? or?

[elle]

we keep having various threads where we are discussing different variations on this... culminating in CAD pulling together that great list of songs performed on each tour http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=51399 which i think is really helpful in narrowing down the must dos.

so here is my understanding of must-do songs for FM (i personally would narrow it down more, but band seems to be throwing around number 12 so i will go with something close to that) -

must dos they never did or will drop (just 7!):
Rhiannon
Go Your Own Way
Landslide
I'm So Afraid
Big Love
Dreams
The Chain
Don’t Stop

must dos that they may (or did) drop from time to time (6 songs):
Gypsy
Tusk
Second Hand News
Never Going Back Again
Gold Dust Woman
Silver Springs

that's 13 songs, with 7 essential. :nod:

i see 3 songs from LB and 3 songs from SN that they will never drop except in some solo outings (the only song LB never dropped even solo is Big Love) so seems fruitless to keep bringing those up (and i have been guilty of that too since i can't stand Rhiannon and Dreams) -

Big Love
I'm So Afraid
Go Your Own Way

Rhiannon
Landslide
Dreams

what are your lists? what is your number? realistically? criticisms of mine?

[Macfanforever]

I think they will keep most of the key songs in the set list plus some additions and subtractions of tunes plus surprises too.

I think the should at lease do the hits from their popular albums and tunes from their roots.

[elle]

I think they will keep most of the key songs in the set list plus some additions and subtractions of tunes plus surprises too.

I think the should at least do the hits from their popular albums and tunes from their roots.

thanks for playing!

so you think their must dos are more than my 7?

[Macfanforever]

Yes I agree .They got to play the 7 including the 6 tunes which brings it to 13.

I know Gypsy is sometimes an option to get dropped from the setlist.

Then they will add the bonus solo tunes from Stevie and Lindsey.

Plus surprises like SOTM.

[CADreaming]

Elle, yes this is what I am trying to get to. And, I don't think they must do 12 - but I think THEY think they must do 12-or more. And, you have to remember this will be emphasizing Rumours. They will do the 7 songs from that & the 5 White album songs (sans Chris). Period. That leaves roughly 12-14 to play with, but not really because they will do: Big Love, Stand Back, Tusk, Silver Springs.

Let's look at the carry over numbers in just the tours with LB:

From Mirage to The Dance - 17 songs
From The Dance to Say You Will - 14 songs
From Say You Will to Unleashed - 18 songs! (Total set was 23 songs)!

These songs from Unleashed will be dropped:
Say You Love Me, Storms

These are possible outs:
Go Insane, Gypsy (doubt it), I Know I'm Not Wrong, Oh Well (please!), and Sara.

[AliceLover]

Elle, yes this is what I am trying to get to. And, I don't think they must do 12 - but I think THEY think they must do 12-or more. And, you have to remember this will be emphasizing Rumours. They will do the 7 songs from that & the 5 White album songs (sans Chris). Period. That leaves roughly 12-14 to play with, but not really because they will do: Big Love, Stand Back, Tusk, Silver Springs.

Let's look at the carry over numbers in just the tours with LB:

From Mirage to The Dance - 17 songs
From The Dance to Say You Will - 14 songs
From Say You Will to Unleashed - 18 songs! (Total set was 23 songs)!

These songs from Unleashed will be dropped:
Say You Love Me, Storms

These are possible outs:
Go Insane, Gypsy (doubt it), I Know I'm Not Wrong, Oh Well (please!), and Sara.

Lets get real. This set will be the same as Unleashed minus I Know I'm Not Wrong, Storms, Monday Morning, Say You Love Me, and Oh Well. We know Soliders Angel is going in there, so that gives us 4 slots to play with.

[elle]

Elle, yes this is what I am trying to get to. And, I don't think they must do 12 - but I think THEY think they must do 12-or more. And, you have to remember this will be emphasizing Rumours. They will do the 7 songs from that & the 5 White album songs (sans Chris). Period. That leaves roughly 12-14 to play with, but not really because they will do: Big Love, Stand Back, Tusk, Silver Springs.

Let's look at the carry over numbers in just the tours with LB:

From Mirage to The Dance - 17 songs
From The Dance to Say You Will - 14 songs
From Say You Will to Unleashed - 18 songs! (Total set was 23 songs)!

These songs from Unleashed will be dropped:
Say You Love Me, Storms

These are possible outs:
Go Insane, Gypsy (doubt it), I Know I'm Not Wrong, Oh Well (please!), and Sara.

man, they are one conservative bunch, aren't they? :distress:

i agree that SYLM, Storms, GI, IKINW, and Sara won't (and shouldn't!) carry over from UL, and also probably not Oh Well although i wouldn't mind hearing that one live. i love that song.

i hope they drop Gypsy, but by all accounts they won't b/c they never did after they first introduced it, at least not for the whole tour. maybe they'll do it acoustically again, that would be a welcome change.

so after we get rid of these songs from UL setlist, we are left with 12 songs, possibly 14:

Big Love
Don't Stop
Dreams
Go Your Own Way
Gold Dust
Gypsy*
I'm So Afraid
Landslide
Never Going Back - possibly drop? nah... probably not
Rhiannon
Second Hand News
Silver Springs - possibly drop... probably not
The Chain
Tusk*

that still leaves 10-12 places for new additions!

if we go with 10 (more conservative):

2-3 newly recorded songs - Sad Angel, Miss Fantasy, and Without You (which would cover both new and BN)
2 solo songs, one from IYD and SWS each - our polls seems to present a choice between YMBTO and SA for SN, and between RAB and TTWLG for LB
1 BN song (they might do IDWK and have it cover both BN and Rumours?)
4 "deep" cuts - 2 from SN and 2 from LB

that's not bad!

so which 2 SN deep cuts should it be? for me it would be SOTM, and a choice between Angel and Destiny Rules, or both if we go for 3 songs from each songwriter.

for LB top of my wish list for 2 deep cuts would be:
WMYTYTO
WATL
and
Murrow as the 3rd choice.

(i wouldn't mind hearing Come, BTLH, SYHA, or Red Rover either, but we did hear first 2 on his last solo tour so they are not the top of my wish list.)

[KenshiMaster16]

I could live with a set like this;

01 The Chain
02 Dreams
03 Eyes Of The World
04 Gypsy
05 *New Song*
06 Seven Wonders
07 Bleed To Love Her
08 Rhiannon
09 Tusk
10 Sara
11 Big Love
12 Landslide
13 Seeds We Sow
14 Soldier's Angel
15 I Don't Want To Know
16 Second Hand News
17 *New Song*
18 Gold Dust Woman
19 I'm So Afraid
20 Silver Springs
21 Go Your Own Way
22 Sisters Of The Moon
23 Don't Stop
24 Crystal

Must-Do's; The Chain, Dreams, Rhiannon, Tusk, Big Love, Landslide, Gold Dust Woman, I'm So Afraid, Silver Springs, Go Your Own Way & Don't Stop

Recurring Tunes; Eyes Of The World, Gypsy, Sara & Second Hand News

New Songs; Probably the two mentioned of Lindsey's or one of them and Without You, who knows.

Solo Tunes; Seeds We Sow & Soldier's Angel

Surprises; Seven Wonders, Bleed To Love Her, I Don't Want To Know, Sisters Of The Moon & Crystal

[I'msoAfraid95]

Those first 7 are a must do. I agree that they must do some hits in order for the casual fans to enjoy the show, but I wish that they would willing mix uo the set a bit. Do the must dos(roughly 13 songs) and then 9 or 10 fan picked ones.

[CADreaming]

Lets get real. This set will be the same as Unleashed minus I Know I'm Not Wrong, Storms, Monday Morning, Say You Love Me, and Oh Well. We know Soliders Angel is going in there, so that gives us 4 slots to play with.

Yeah you're closer than Elle. No way are they freeing up 12-14 slots.

[redtulip]

I could live with a set like this;

01 The Chain
02 Dreams
03 Eyes Of The World
04 Gypsy
05 *New Song*
06 Seven Wonders
07 Bleed To Love Her
08 Rhiannon
09 Tusk
10 Sara
11 Big Love
12 Landslide
13 Seeds We Sow
14 Soldier's Angel
15 I Don't Want To Know
16 Second Hand News
17 *New Song*
18 Gold Dust Woman
19 I'm So Afraid
20 Silver Springs
21 Go Your Own Way
22 Sisters Of The Moon
23 Don't Stop
24 Crystal

Must-Do's; The Chain, Dreams, Rhiannon, Tusk, Big Love, Landslide, Gold Dust Woman, I'm So Afraid, Silver Springs, Go Your Own Way & Don't Stop

Recurring Tunes; Eyes Of The World, Gypsy, Sara & Second Hand News

New Songs; Probably the two mentioned of Lindsey's or one of them and Without You, who knows.

Solo Tunes; Seeds We Sow & Soldier's Angel

Surprises; Seven Wonders, Bleed To Love Her, I Don't Want To Know, Sisters Of The Moon & Crystal

For the love of all that is holy, they better not end the show with Crystal. I'd rather end the night on a more up beat note than with a downer like that.

ETA: Although maybe ending with Crystal is a good idea, it'll give me a chance to beat everyone out of the parking lot when I leave early.

[CADreaming]

For the love of all that is holy, they better not end the show with Crystal. I'd rather end the night on a more up beat note than with a downer like that.

Crystal is more up beat than Goodbye Baby. :shrug:

[redtulip]

Crystal is more up best than Goodbye Baby. :shrug:

I think Goodbye Baby is a horrible closer too.

[elle]

I could live with a set like this;

01 The Chain
02 Dreams
03 Eyes Of The World
04 Gypsy
05 *New Song*
06 Seven Wonders
07 Bleed To Love Her
08 Rhiannon
09 Tusk
10 Sara
11 Big Love
12 Landslide
13 Seeds We Sow
14 Soldier's Angel
15 I Don't Want To Know
16 Second Hand News
17 *New Song*
18 Gold Dust Woman
19 I'm So Afraid
20 Silver Springs
21 Go Your Own Way
22 Sisters Of The Moon
23 Don't Stop
24 Crystal

Must-Do's; The Chain, Dreams, Rhiannon, Tusk, Big Love, Landslide, Gold Dust Woman, I'm So Afraid, Silver Springs, Go Your Own Way & Don't Stop

Recurring Tunes; Eyes Of The World, Gypsy, Sara & Second Hand News

New Songs; Probably the two mentioned of Lindsey's or one of them and Without You, who knows.

Solo Tunes; Seeds We Sow & Soldier's Angel

Surprises; Seven Wonders, Bleed To Love Her, I Don't Want To Know, Sisters Of The Moon & Crystal

no no no no no! no acoustic SWS. if he does SWS, it needs to be an electric version!

also... besides The Chain, Don't Stop and new songs, you got 12 SN and 8 LB songs in your set. i don't think (i sure hope not!) they'd go for unbalanced set like that - maybe 1 song off, but not 4. :shrug:

thanks for playing! :thumbsup:

[CADreaming]

I think Goodbye Baby is a horrible closer too.

Bah. You would! They were trying to emulate Songbird. I thought it was beautiful. Very moving.

[elle]

Lets get real. This set will be the same as Unleashed minus I Know I'm Not Wrong, Storms, Monday Morning, Say You Love Me, and Oh Well. We know Soliders Angel is going in there, so that gives us 4 slots to play with.

i don't want to get real and pessimistic from the get go. i want to push that bunch of old conservative millionaires who are going around saying how they'll give us all these surprises. they better deliver SOMETHING.

if we are all resigned from the get-go then sure, why wouldn't they just roll with those lowered expectations. :shrug:

[redtulip]

Bah. You would! They were trying to emulate Songbird. I thought it was beautiful. Very moving.

Would you believe I don't think Songbird is a good closer either? :D I don't want to leave a show depressed.

[elle]

Those first 7 are a must do. I agree that they must do some hits in order for the casual fans to enjoy the show, but I wish that they would willing mix uo the set a bit. Do the must dos(roughly 13 songs) and then 9 or 10 fan picked ones.

agree! :thumbsup:

except i wish fans would be a bit more adventurous in their picks than what i've been reading around here. :D

if you can fill 2-3 LB deep cuts and 2-3 SN deep cuts then let's go people, let's propose some interesting songs to fill these slots!

[CADreaming]

Would you believe I don't think Songbird is a good closer either? :D I don't want to leave a show depressed.

Stevie thinks you need to calm down at the end. I sort of agree. But it doesn't make me depressed, even though I get your point.

[elle]

Crystal is more up beat than Goodbye Baby. :shrug:

I think Goodbye Baby is a horrible closer too.

they always like to depress you right before leaving the show, i've noticed. nothing you can do to fix this at this point probably. LB does the same thing at solo shows. i learned to live with it. :shrug:

[CADreaming]

no no no no no! no acoustic SWS. if he does SWS, it needs to be an electric version!

also... besides The Chain, Don't Stop and new songs, you got 12 SN and 8 LB songs in your set. i don't think (i sure hope not!) they'd go for unbalanced set like that - maybe 1 song off, but not 4. :shrug:

thanks for playing! :thumbsup:

Unleashed set by writer:

LB- 9
SN - 9
CM - 2
LB/CM - 1
FM - 1
PG - 1

[redtulip]

agree! :thumbsup:

except i wish fans would be a bit more adventurous in their picks than what i've been reading around here. :D

if you can fill 2-3 LB deep cuts and 2-3 SN deep cuts then let's go people, let's propose some interesting songs to fill these slots!

Challenge accepted!

Lindsey:

The Ledge
Caroline
Can't Go Back

Stevie:

Sisters of the Moon
Running Through the Garden
Angel

[redtulip]

they always like to depress you right before leaving the show, i've noticed. nothing you can do to fix this at this point probably. LB does the same thing at solo shows. i learned to live with it. :shrug:

I wasn't a big fan of SWS closing OMS either. Although Don't Stop isn't anywhere near one of my favorites, I think it makes a great closer.

[CADreaming]

agree! :thumbsup:

except i wish fans would be a bit more adventurous in their picks than what i've been reading around here. :D

if you can fill 2-3 LB deep cuts and 2-3 SN deep cuts then let's go people, let's propose some interesting songs to fill these slots!

Adventurous is great - but it's not realistic.

i don't want to get real and pessimistic from the get go. i want to push that bunch of old conservative millionaires who are going around saying how they'll give us all these surprises. they better deliver SOMETHING.

if we are all resigned from the get-go then sure, why wouldn't they just roll with those lowered expectations. :shrug:

Because everybody's been a fan for a long time & know what to expect. I believe they will deliver, but it will be one or two surprises/changes. I remember in 2009 how we all let out a collective gasp at Storms being played live. It made it so special- and that's what they will go for. The subtle tweaks for the diehards, the mother set for the majority of the ticket holders. They are playing for those people - not us. :sorry:

[elle]

Unleashed set by writer:

LB- 9
SN - 9
CM - 2
LB/CM - 1
FM - 1
PG - 1

thanks! this means that 12 vs 8 will not work.

in the most optimistic case we have spaces for 2-3 deep cuts from each of the 2 songwriters, a BN song, 3 new songs, and 2 solo songs. unless they do a song from a pre-rumours era.

we already have polls for solo song selection... and we had numerous discussion and polls about which BN song they might play. i'd need to go back and re-check but if i remember correctly people voted Frozen Love overwhelmingly.

so we should probably start by playing with ideas for 2-3 deep cuts from SN and 2-3 deep cuts from LB?

[I'msoAfraid95]

The Chain
ISA
GYOW
Gold Dust Woman
BN song
7 Wonders
Gypsy
Soldiers Angel(sn)
Street of Dreams(lb)
Tusk
Silver Springs
BN Song
World Turning(No Mick solo)
Oh Well
Blue Letter
Peacekeeper
Not That Funny(solo time)
any other must do songs

[CADreaming]

^^Trust me it's FL.

[elle]

Challenge accepted!

Lindsey:

The Ledge
Caroline
Can't Go Back

Stevie:

Sisters of the Moon
Running Through the Garden
Angel

nice! :thumbsup:

see that's what i'm talking about, deep cuts people! :nod:

personally i don't want to hear Caroline or RTTG, but nice interesting choices nevertheless! :thumbsup:

[redtulip]

Adventurous is great - but it's not realistic.


Probably a better shot at that though than discussing a set list with Christine. No harm in putting some ideas in their heads if they have interns trolling the boards here.

[elle]

Adventurous is great - but it's not realistic.

Because everybody's been a fan for a long time & know what to expect. I believe they will deliver, but it will be one or two surprises/changes. I remember in 2009 how we all let out a collective gasp at Storms being played live. It made it so special- and that's what they will go for. The subtle tweaks for the diehards, the mother set for the majority of the ticket holders. They are playing for those people - not us. :sorry:

debbie downer! :xoxo:

i agree they are playing for general audience - and they keep saying 12 hits, we gave them even 13 on our lists (we are so generous :D). that's for general audience. general audiences never expect to know every. single. song.

2 surprise changes is not what i call delivering. it's a freaking letdown.

both Stevie and Lindsey were more adventurous than that on their most recent solo tours, so why wouldn't that carry over?

[CADreaming]

I hope to God you're right! I will faint!

Fine. Then tonight I will play. I will give y'all MY dream FM set list & hope Karen will print it out and give it to them at rehearsal. :p

[elle]

The Chain
ISA
GYOW
Gold Dust Woman
BN song
7 Wonders
Gypsy
Soldiers Angel(sn)
Street of Dreams(lb)
Tusk
Silver Springs
BN Song
World Turning(No Mick solo)
Oh Well
Blue Letter
Peacekeeper
Not That Funny(solo time)
any other must do songs

just to make your suggestions for change-ups more visible (correct me if i misunderstood):

solo:
Soldiers Angel(sn)
Street of Dreams(lb)

2 BN songs

4 "non-regulars":
7 Wonders
Blue Letter
Peacekeeper
Not That Funny(solo time)

2 non-essential carry-overs:
World Turning(No Mick solo)
Oh Well

[michelej1]

they always like to depress you right before leaving the show, i've noticed. nothing you can do to fix this at this point probably. LB does the same thing at solo shows. i learned to live with it. :shrug:

Very proud. It's the Songbird tradition.

Michele

[elle]

I hope to God you're right! I will faint!

Fine. Then tonight I will play. I will give y'all MY dream FM set list & hope Karen will print it out and give it to them at rehearsal. :p

:thumbsup: :xoxo:

rehearsals start mid-feb so we still have about a week to compile some good suggestion lists for them ;)

(see this is why Lindsey hates me :p. i do this kind of thing at almost every one of his live shows i go to :D. choices Linds, choices!)

[elle]

:thumbsup: :xoxo:

rehearsals start mid-feb so we still have about a week to compile some good suggestion lists for them ;)

(see this is why Lindsey hates me :p. i do this kind of thing at almost every one of his live shows i go to :D. choices Linds, choices!)

actually, since this thread is on must-dos, for clarity sake maybe we should start another thread for people to propose 6 deep cuts they'd want to hear - 3 from LB and 3 from SN. :nod:

[McTrouble]

actually, since this thread is on must-dos, for clarity sake maybe we should start another thread for people to propose 6 deep cuts they'd want to hear - 3 from LB and 3 from SN. :nod:

3 deep cuts from SN????? :shrug:

[elle]

3 deep cuts from SN????? :shrug:

lol. we have to be fair Viv. i'm sure that chiffs feel the same about 3 deep cuts from LB. you can come up with something you like!

[CADreaming]

lol. we have to be fair Viv. i'm sure that chiffs feel the same about 3 deep cuts from LB. you can come up with something you like!

See, it's times like this when ya ain't so bad. ;):xoxo:

By the way, I'd love the 3 deep cuts from both... OR 3 BN cuts!!

[KenshiMaster16]

agree! :thumbsup:

except i wish fans would be a bit more adventurous in their picks than what i've been reading around here. :D

if you can fill 2-3 LB deep cuts and 2-3 SN deep cuts then let's go people, let's propose some interesting songs to fill these slots!

How's about my dream set then (minus Christine, obviously)? I'd pack up all my stuff and sell it if I had to do so to see this set live;

01 The Chain
02 Dreams
03 That's Enough For Me
04 Thrown Down
05 Big Love (Full-Band Version)
06 Rhiannon
07 Second Hand News
08 Tango In The Night
09 Sara
10 Never Going Back Again
11 Landslide
12 Save Me A Place
13 Gypsy (Acoustic)
14 Hypnotized
15 Straight Back
16 Seven Wonders
17 Not That Funny
18 Gold Dust Woman
19 I'm So Afraid
20 Running Through The Garden
21 Go Your Own Way
22 Sisters Of The Moon
23 Don't Stop
24 Silver Springs

[olive]

it's sad that they have to do any song because it identifies the brand concerts use to be so much better when the set was unpredictable, instead of the same songs night after night , making going to multiple show kind of dull

[elle]

How's about my dream set then (minus Christine, obviously)? I'd pack up all my stuff and sell it if I had to do so to see this set live;


03 That's Enough For Me
04 Thrown Down
08 Tango In The Night
12 Save Me A Place
14 Hypnotized
15 Straight Back
16 Seven Wonders
17 Not That Funny
20 Running Through The Garden
22 Sisters Of The Moon


that's much closer to what i'm talking about - nice!

you have 10 tracks (i left them on your list above and took our regular tracks) that have been counted as non-regular/deep cuts (4 LB, 5 SN, and 1 BW) :thumbsup:

[MikeInNV]

lol. we have to be fair Viv. i'm sure that chiffs feel the same about 3 deep cuts from LB. you can come up with something you like!

It's almost MORE important to have the deep cuts from the one you're not passionate about, then it's at least interesting. It's easier to tolerate repetition from the one you're in love with.

[MikeInNV]

i hope they drop Gypsy, but by all accounts they won't b/c they never did after they first introduced it, at least not for the whole tour. maybe they'll do it acoustically again, that would be a welcome change.

It was dropped during the Tango tour, and to my recollection it was not done on the BTM tour at all, so I don't think it's as set in stone as some people think, especially if they really want to make room for surprises.

[jmn3]

It was dropped during the Tango tour, and to my recollection it was not done on the BTM tour at all, so I don't think it's as set in stone as some people think, especially if they really want to make room for surprises.

I agree about Gypsy being "droppable".... Didn't they drop it on the 2004 leg of the SYW tour in favor of Sara too?

[CADreaming]

I agree about Gypsy being "droppable".... Didn't they drop it on the 2004 leg of the SYW tour in favor of Sara too?

Yes, it was dropped in the 2nd leg for Sara.

[Sanne2]

How's about my dream set then (minus Christine, obviously)? I'd pack up all my stuff and sell it if I had to do so to see this set live;

01 The Chain
02 Dreams
03 That's Enough For Me
04 Thrown Down
05 Big Love (Full-Band Version)
06 Rhiannon
07 Second Hand News
08 Tango In The Night
09 Sara
10 Never Going Back Again
11 Landslide
12 Save Me A Place
13 Gypsy (Acoustic)
14 Hypnotized
15 Straight Back
16 Seven Wonders
17 Not That Funny
18 Gold Dust Woman
19 I'm So Afraid
20 Running Through The Garden
21 Go Your Own Way
22 Sisters Of The Moon
23 Don't Stop
24 Silver Springs

This would be an amazing setlist!