Jodie Foster: One of the greatest speeches of all time.

[Jondalar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efYg0vQyPGA


This speech is just great. She did her way...

[TrueFaith77]

I especially loved her shout outs to Mel and her concluding lines.

[Jondalar]

I especially loved her shout outs to Mel and her concluding lines.

Yeah, no fakeness, so very real.

[TrueFaith77]

A friend of mine posted these on Facebook in honor/inspired by Jodie's speech. For all the righteous soul sisters:

Salute to Jodi Foster, the brave one. Shout out to Tanita Tikaram, Liza Minnelli and Pet Shop Boys (look it up). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G06mRI8yXw

And a music video worthy of Julian Hernandez. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G06mRI8yXw

[BombaySapphire3]

I have always loved Jodie and truly grew up with her since we are the same age.I was crying along with some of the audience as I watched her speech.I hope she does not retire from acting and finds some worthy roles.Jodie has a special talent but roles that suit that talent are few and far between for women .

[HejiraNYC]

I suppose if anyone in Hollywood has earned the right to give such a self-aggrandizing, grandiose speech, it would be Jodie Foster- truly a gifted, peerless performer. But what was she doing sitting with that racist, misogynistic, homophobic pile of garbage also known as Mel Gibson? :eek: In my fantasy world, I imagine Jodie would have cornered Mel and left a deep footprint from her Birkenstocks on his backside.

[TrueFaith77]

I suppose if anyone in Hollywood has earned the right to give such a self-aggrandizing, grandiose speech, it would be Jodie Foster- truly a gifted, peerless performer. But what was she doing sitting with that racist, misogynistic, homophobic pile of garbage also known as Mel Gibson? :eek: In my fantasy world, I imagine Jodie would have cornered Mel and left a deep footprint from her Birkenstocks on his backside.

How typical that you would project your own hate onto another, altogether more compassionate, person. That is exactly what Jodie was railing against in her defense of privacy--which, as with her coming out, was a testament to human dignity. Shared sexuality is, unfortunately, no promise of solidarity. **** you.

[HejiraNYC]

How typical that you would project your own hate onto another, altogether more compassionate, person. That is exactly what Jodie was railing against in her defense of privacy--which, as with her coming out, was a testament to human dignity. Shared sexuality is, unfortunately, no promise of solidarity. **** you.

So butch! :lol: Yet another tough guy borne from the anonymity of the interwebs. I love it. :lol:

Yet again you fail to articulate... some kind of a point? What exactly is Jodie railing against? My so-called "hate?" :lol: Mel Gibson's utter failure as a human being? And what exactly is "shared sexuality?" Am I supposed to somehow be impressed because she has finally confirmed (without really confirming) what everyone already knew and accepted for over twenty years? Meh. At this point I don't think anyone cares. I think her decades-long silence on the matter speaks much louder than the reluctant musings of a public figure who has mostly disappeared from public life. I do think she is/was one of the most talented actresses ever... but I also think she falls far short of being some kind of brave symbol of strength.

[TrueFaith77]

So butch! :lol: Yet another tough guy borne from the anonymity of the interwebs. I love it. :lol:

Yet again you fail to articulate... some kind of a point? What exactly is Jodie railing against? My so-called "hate?" :lol: Mel Gibson's utter failure as a human being? And what exactly is "shared sexuality?" Am I supposed to somehow be impressed because she has finally confirmed (without really confirming) what everyone already knew and accepted for over twenty years? Meh. At this point I don't think anyone cares. I think her decades-long silence on the matter speaks much louder than the reluctant musings of a public figure who has mostly disappeared from public life. I do think she is/was one of the most talented actresses ever... but I also think she falls far short of being some kind of brave symbol of strength.

Anonymity? You know who I am. I will gladly tell you exactly what I think of you the next time I see you in person. I will take this an invitation to do so. My only qualms about doing so in the past was out of deference for your friends.

I am not trying to argue with someone who is so deranged that he thinks he can judge--better than Jodie Foster!!--Mel Gibson's humanity as an "utter failure."

Jodie Foster asked for our support. Some will offer it. Some won't.

[HejiraNYC]

Anonymity? You know who I am. I will gladly tell you exactly what I think of you the next time I see you in person. I will take this an invitation to do so. My only qualms about doing so in the past was out of deference for your friends.

I am not trying to argue with someone who is so deranged that he thinks he can judge--better than Jodie Foster!!--Mel Gibson's humanity as an "utter failure."

Jodie Foster asked for our support. Some will offer it. Some won't.

Haha... I look forward to it. :lol: Again, I suspect you would not be quite so, uh, exuberant in my presence.

As for Mel Gibson's utterly decrepit soul, I present Exhibit A (the racist and misogynistic tirade against the mother of his child):

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[vivfox]

How typical that you would project your own hate onto another, altogether more compassionate, person. That is exactly what Jodie was railing against in her defense of privacy--which, as with her coming out, was a testament to human dignity. Shared sexuality is, unfortunately, no promise of solidarity. **** you.


How can you not be banned for this type of behavior? First you tell Ed eff you and then you publicly threaten him in another post. You owe him a public apology.

[KarmaContestant]

I suppose if anyone in Hollywood has earned the right to give such a self-aggrandizing, grandiose speech, it would be Jodie Foster- truly a gifted, peerless performer. But what was she doing sitting with that racist, misogynistic, homophobic pile of garbage also known as Mel Gibson? :eek: In my fantasy world, I imagine Jodie would have cornered Mel and left a deep footprint from her Birkenstocks on his backside.

To be honest, Ed, Mel has been demonized by the press and the mere fact that Jody was at the Globes with him sort of proves he's not as bad of a guy as he's been made out to be. Many celebrities that know him personally have stood up for him, and we all know the media likes to blow everything out of porportion for ratings and page views.

I can't speak for you personally, but you find me a person who's never said something mean/homophobic/racist/misogynistic in their entire lives and I'll show you a real, living unicorn with a platinum horn.

Most of us should feel lucky that our every word isn't used against us at some point in our lives, because I doubt there is a person in the world - other than maybe the dalai lama - who would come out clean.

On topic, I love Jodie, and her speech was inspiring.

[TrueFaith77]

How can you not be banned for this type of behavior? First you tell Ed eff you and then you publicly threaten him in another post. You owe him a public apology.

If saying "**** you" is a bannable offense, then let it be. But in NO WAY did I threaten him. I told him I would tell him what I think of him in person. That's not a threat of violence; and I can guarantee that I will not even use any swear words when I do so.

And I owe him no apology.

However, he does owe Jondolar an apology for highjacking with his hate the thread Jondolar started in good faith.

If he hates Mel Gibson so much, why doesn't he start an anti-MG thread. I would never have commented. I am only supporting Jodie Foster as she requested, which is that she not be told that in order to be a legit gay that she must be violent toward Mel Gibson--which I'm so sure Hejira would say to Jodie's face in person.

[HejiraNYC]

To be honest, Ed, Mel has been demonized by the press and the mere fact that Jody was at the Globes with him sort of proves he's not as bad of a guy as he's been made out to be. Many celebrities that know him personally have stood up for him, and we all know the media likes to blow everything out of porportion for ratings and page views.

I can't speak for you personally, but you find me a person who's never said something mean/homophobic/racist/misogynistic in their entire lives and I'll show you a real, living unicorn with a platinum horn.

Most of us should feel lucky that our every word isn't used against us at some point in our lives, because I doubt there is a person in the world - other than maybe the dalai lama - who would come out clean.

On topic, I love Jodie, and her speech was inspiring.

I would agree with you about the press sensationalizing acts of bad conduct if it wasn't for the fact that the world at large is able to listen, firsthand, to all of the hateful invective spewing directly from his mouth unfiltered. And it isn't like it was just a single isolated incident. There are numerous taped telephone calls of Mel(tdown) in addition to the notorious stories about his drunken driving arrest (which involved an extended anti-semitic rant) and his outspoken vilification of gay people. Is Mel Gibson a nice person? I don't know. But then again, I've heard Hitler was a friendly person who appreciated the arts and loved animals. Same kind of thing? I don't know... Sure, nobody is perfect. Have I laughed at non-PC insensitive jokes? Sure (but then again, I get a free pass because I am an ethnic minority :lol: ). I love non-PC humor as long as it is clear that it is said in 100% jest. However, I have never ever ever ever told such jokes/comments with the intention of hurting or demeaning people. And I never casually toss out racial/gender pejoratives, unlike Mel, who has a disturbing facility with throwing around the "n" word or using the "c" or "wh" words to describe women. Sure, Mel has apologized for the anti-semitic rant, but we all know it is only because it was reported to the press. And of course he went to "rehab" over the incident because, you know, that's the de rigeur way of washing away guilt in Hollywood. But that's all artifice. Having the capacity to speak in such a vile, hateful manner shamelessly/proudly comes from a deep, disturbed place. He's a monster and Jodie, it would seem, appears to have the forgiveness of a nun to see past his demons. I hate to say it, but I have so much less respect for her now, and it has nothing to do with the fact that she cowered in the closet for decades and then half-heartedly tiptoed out of it without any semblance of pride. As a NJ Housewife is wont to say, "When you associate with gaw-bage, you end up smelling like gaw-bage." But that's her life and Jodie knows what's best for Jodie. :shrug:

[Jondalar]

I like Mel Gibson. That is not to say Mel Gibson has to like me or condone my lifestyle. I think he is a great director and I hope he directs some more movies.

[Ledge Moderators]

Let's please stay on topic & desist any further personal attacks. Disagreements of a personal nature need to be kept in private messaging.

[Jondalar]

By the way, I thought it was great of Jodi to actually champion privacy. It's almost like people think they have a right to know all your business. She is right-one day we'll wake up and realize that we have none. It's getting soo ridiculous. She doesn't owe people anything. If you choose to watch her movies, that's up to you. Doesn't mean you have to know who she sleeps with.

[BombaySapphire3]

I really would not describe Jodie as having "cowered in the closet" she just never really comfirmed or denied her sexual orientation publically until the Globes.Apparently she was out to family and friends .Anyone with an iota of gaydar could have clocked her decades ago.In Candleshoe you she looks and acts much more like a boy than a girl .A real closet case will marry a member of the opposite sex and pretend that are hetero..she never did that.As for her friendship with Mel that is a bit of a mystery.I do however think that she is just a loyal person.She is one of the few who tried to help Robert Downey Jr. when he was at his worst.

[Jondalar]

I really would not describe Jodie as having "cowered in the closet" she just never really comfirmed or denied her sexual orientation publically until the Globes.Apparently she was out to family and friends .Anyone with an iota of gaydar could have clocked her decades ago.In Candleshoe you she looks and acts much more like a boy than a girl .A real closet case will marry a member of the opposite sex and pretend that are hetero..she never did that.As for her friendship with Mel that is a bit of a mystery.I do however think that she is just a loyal person.She is one of the few who tried to help Robert Downey Jr. when he was at his worst.

She reminds me of Kristy McNichol. It took her years to come out too and she was in a relationship for years.

About Mel and Robert - I think Jodie's motto is don't kick a person while their down.

[HejiraNYC]

By the way, I thought it was great of Jodi to actually champion privacy. It's almost like people think they have a right to know all your business. She is right-one day we'll wake up and realize that we have none. It's getting soo ridiculous. She doesn't owe people anything. If you choose to watch her movies, that's up to you. Doesn't mean you have to know who she sleeps with.

Well, she may sneer down her nose at Honey Boo Boo, but Jodie has been anything but "private" over the years.

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Of course she played the fame game just like any other actor in Hollywood; nobody was twisting her arm to do these interviews. But I suppose it's okay when Jodie Foster puts her life out there (selectively), but it's utterly tacky when Honey Boo Boo does it. :rolleyes: It's basically the same thing. True, she doesn't owe anyone an explanation of her sexuality. But, IMHO, there comes a point where it just gets ridiculous. It's not the fact that Jodie Foster was in the closet; virtually all GLBT celebrities have been there at some point. It's the fact that she was in there for such a long time- far longer than any of today's mainstream GLBT celebrities. Perhaps, back when her career was more prominent, her coming out could have been incredibly powerful. Instead of taking the opportunity to be among the first actresses to come out, she has chosen to come out, a bit defiantly/bitterly/sheepishly, only after the Gallup Polls and the Democratic Party said it was safe. The ruse with Jodie Foster has been going on for such a long time that she may as well have stayed in the closet. I don't think she is doing herself or the GLBT community any favors by doing this now.

[BombaySapphire3]

One question:How many prominent out and proud gay celebrities were nearly murdered by not one but two stalkers while they were an 18 year old college freshman:shrug:I woud think that might influence someones desire for privacy.

[WildHearted]

Well, of course she has done interviews. That comes with the territory of being an actress. In my mind there's nothing wrong with selectively sharing details of your life. You should be able to share some things about yourself without revealing everything under the sun. It shouldn't be assumed that you are supposed to put forward a certain amount of information in order for it to be acceptable. Everyone has a right to their privacy, and a right to choose (for the most part) what the public knows and does not know about your lifestyle.

If she wants to talk about her kids, that's wonderful. If she didn't want to talk about her kids, that would have been fine too. If she wants to talk about what she had for dinner the past week, go for it. If she'd rather not, that's her prerogative. Just like it's fine that she didn't care to talk about her sexuality. She doesn't owe the public a huge grandiose coming out speech (no one does). I will never understand the idea that those who don't share to display their sexual orientation in neon flashing lights are somehow cowardly. As if it was their job to make a statement or something. Of course, they could have. Many people have and more power to them. But they are not required too. And they certainly shouldn't be looked down upon if they don't. I'm sure she came out many moons ago to her friends and family (the people that actually matter in her life). I don't feel that it's "ridiculous" to not want to bring public attention to your romantic/personal life. Plenty of people keep theirs private (as much as possible), regardless of whether they are gay or straight. We don't chastise straight people for not telling us the intimate details of their dating life. If she wanted to make a tongue-in-cheek (that's how I saw it anyway) statement about her sexuality (which has obviously been speculated on for quite some time) during a speech for a Lifetime Achievement award that she was honored with, then that's her business.

Anyways, doing interviews for magazines is not at all the same thing as being on a reality show. I don't even see how the two can be equated.

Just my two cents, of course.

[Jondalar]

Well, she may sneer down her nose at Honey Boo Boo, but Jodie has been anything but "private" over the years.

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Of course she played the fame game just like any other actor in Hollywood; nobody was twisting her arm to do these interviews. But I suppose it's okay when Jodie Foster puts her life out there (selectively), but it's utterly tacky when Honey Boo Boo does it. :rolleyes: It's basically the same thing. True, she doesn't owe anyone an explanation of her sexuality. But, IMHO, there comes a point where it just gets ridiculous. It's not the fact that Jodie Foster was in the closet; virtually all GLBT celebrities have been there at some point. It's the fact that she was in there for such a long time- far longer than any of today's mainstream GLBT celebrities. Perhaps, back when her career was more prominent, her coming out could have been incredibly powerful. Instead of taking the opportunity to be among the first actresses to come out, she has chosen to come out, a bit defiantly/bitterly/sheepishly, only after the Gallup Polls and the Democratic Party said it was safe. The ruse with Jodie Foster has been going on for such a long time that she may as well have stayed in the closet. I don't think she is doing herself or the GLBT community any favors by doing this now.



Yep, she should stayed in the closet where she was totally accepted. This post is zoo wrong.

[HejiraNYC]

She doesn't owe the public a huge grandiose coming out speech (no one does).

Of course she doesn't. And that's why she should have just stayed mum on the topic... for privacy's sake. I'm sure Richard Simmons, Barry Manilow, Johnny Mathis and Kevin Spacey would agree.

[WildHearted]

Of course she doesn't. And that's why she should have just stayed mum on the topic... for privacy's sake. I'm sure Richard Simmons, Barry Manilow, Johnny Mathis and Kevin Spacey would agree.

I don't agree at all. And in my mind other people who have "stayed mum" have no relevance to the discussion, because they are not Jodie Foster. She is the only person who matters in this equation. No one has any right to judge what she "should" do. She has the right to say whatever she wants about her personal life, whether that's complete silence, a huge speech, or simply an insinuation.

:blob2:

[KarmaContestant]

One question:How many prominent out and proud gay celebrities were nearly murdered by not one but two stalkers while they were an 18 year old college freshman:shrug:I woud think that might influence someones desire for privacy.


Ding-Ding-Ding. Bingo.

I mean good grief - the assasination attempt on Reagan was all a stunt to impress Jodie Foster. It's no wonder she's tried to keep her personal life under wraps.

We have fans on this board who will vehemently defend Stevie's right to privacy, but Jodie is somehow supposed to be treated differently? I don't get it.

I think the whole point Jodie was making is that most people assume she is gay. What's the point in "coming out" and confirming it? It's pointless. It has nothing to do with her job as an actress or director. Many like to think that all celebrities are supposed to fill some holier-than-thou shoes as role-model for the rest of us, but the fact is that for most of them, it's just a *job* with a lot of press coverage, and what she does when she's not working is no one's business. She (or any celebrity for that matter) has no obligation to any of us to keep us informed regarding the details of their affairs of the heart.

[Macfanforever]

I always like Jodie .She's a great actress.

[HejiraNYC]

Ding-Ding-Ding. Bingo.

I mean good grief - the assasination attempt on Reagan was all a stunt to impress Jodie Foster. It's no wonder she's tried to keep her personal life under wraps.

We have fans on this board who will vehemently defend Stevie's right to privacy, but Jodie is somehow supposed to be treated differently? I don't get it.

I think the whole point Jodie was making is that most people assume she is gay. What's the point in "coming out" and confirming it? It's pointless. It has nothing to do with her job as an actress or director. Many like to think that all celebrities are supposed to fill some holier-than-thou shoes as role-model for the rest of us, but the fact is that for most of them, it's just a *job* with a lot of press coverage, and what she does when she's not working is no one's business. She (or any celebrity for that matter) has no obligation to any of us to keep us informed regarding the details of their affairs of the heart.

Um... I'm not sure what maintaining Jodie's privacy has to do with the fact that John Hinckley Jr. wanted to impress her. :shrug: If anything, don't you think if she had made it known that she was not into dudes, he would have been less inclined to seek her affections? Just saying...

I agree that her private life is her business. But I think she took such pains to keep this one aspect of her life under wraps, that it only served to intensify the scrutiny of it. And by refusing to acknowledge or talk about it back when it was already common knowledge, she seemed to give off the impression that it was some kind of shameful, dark secret, which added yet more fuel to the flames of curiosity. She could have so easily nipped this in the bud decades ago if she had just owned it and moved on. Like it or not, this is what you sign on for when you enter this line of work. It seems rather precious for someone to pursue a career in the limelight and then balk at the notion that people would want to know more about her as a person. Those are the rules of the fame game. People assume that her career would have ended if she'd come out years ago, but that assumption is not really supported by any actual anecodotes. Ask Elton John, Ellen DeGeneres, Neil Patrick Harris or Ian McKellan how their careers fared after coming out.

[BombaySapphire3]

Um... I'm not sure what maintaining Jodie's privacy has to do with the fact that John Hinckley Jr. wanted to impress her. :shrug: If anything, don't you think if she had made it known that she was not into dudes, he would have been less inclined to seek her affections? Just saying...



He not only shot Reagan to try and impress her. He stalked her for weeks on the Yale campus and had planned to kill her but then decided to kill Reagan instead.This inspired a copycat psycho to attend a play she was in at Yale packing a gun.He too decided not to shoot at the last minute because she was "too beautiful to kill"It is kind of preposterous to suggest that her being an out lesbian could have prevented this.These men were/are both insane so that information could have just as easily prompted them to pull the trigger.Unless you or any of the others you cited in your post have been through something like this it is pretty unfair to judge.

[GODDESS6]

I always like Jodie .She's a great actress.

me too, love her work~

[KarmaContestant]

Um... I'm not sure what maintaining Jodie's privacy has to do with the fact that John Hinckley Jr. wanted to impress her. :shrug: If anything, don't you think if she had made it known that she was not into dudes, he would have been less inclined to seek her affections? Just saying...



:laugh: You might have a point there.

[chelluversu]

Um... I'm not sure what maintaining Jodie's privacy has to do with the fact that John Hinckley Jr. wanted to impress her. :shrug: If anything, don't you think if she had made it known that she was not into dudes, he would have been less inclined to seek her affections? Just saying...

I could see where maintaining a strict policy on having your own privacy could have something to do with crazy people being obsessed/in love with you as a famous person. If she had come out and Hinckley Jr, or some other obsessed person, got a hold of any information on the woman that she's dating, that person could be in danger. I think the fact that he shot the president (and other people...he got off six shots, I believe) is proof enough that he and other people can do some really crazy stuff.

Anyway, that speech was great for other celebrities to hear. You have a right to your privacy and you don't owe the public anything. I think that's the reason why people like Beyonce keep their lives/relationships so private unless they decide to share bits and pieces of what they want to put out there.

I think Jodie was getting at is the public wanting to know way too many things that normal (regular?) people wouldn't feel comfortable sharing and prying at your life when all you want to be is left alone. Now we have things like TMZ or reality shows like Honey Boo Boo Child that breaks down these barriers between the public and celebrities then everyone expects other celebrities to be able to handle that. It doesn't work like that.

[Christopher]

Jodie is a fine actress, I've enjoyed most of her movies and onscreen performances. To me she always seemed to carry herself in a grounded, practical, and intelligent fashion. However her steady and fastidious demeanor belied a guarded and unapproachableness - I envision her almost as if an invisible prickly shield or bubble incased her from the general public. And therefore I don't believe this speech in which she more or less came out publicly was revelational or even a great speech. It felt to me as being a much bigger deal for her personally than it was for us, because in part, as someone already pointed out, most people already assumed she was gay a long time ago and/or stopped caring. Revealing this juxtaposed with the milestone of being 50 is also interesting in the context of her career as it relates to her personal life truth. Jody is no longer a leading lady in demand, arguably she passed that prime point over a decade ago. And coming out as an actor, a major movie star, has it's own set of consequences. I believe there is truth to actor Rupert Evertt's assertion that if someone is a ambitious actor really trying to make big in cinema, that coming out as a gay actor (unfortunately) will diminish ones opportunities and roles. The movie industry is brutal, not for the faint of heart, and very political -- therefore to be known as gay and compete in straight or so-called mainstream roles is NOT by any stretch a level playing field. Sure, there are more successful out gay actors/performers then there has ever been, but let's not confuse a still growing general acceptance towards the LGBT equal rights & lifestyle as equal to mainstream or popular - the LGBT community will always be a minority. Just as movies and pop culture will always be principally aimed and marketed towards the mainstream. So while some think it was a brave speech for Jody to finally publicly embrace her "modern family" and alternative lifestyle on her own terms. I , perhaps cynically, believe that at 50 and way past her prime of getting leading "straight" roles, was simply grappling with her own personal truth while also being at a precipice looking back at her legacy lined with mainstream opportunities and financial successes.

[Fireflies]

Just my two cents, of course.

seems you're missing the point. ;)

[BombaySapphire3]

seems you're missing the point. ;)

And it seems to some people are missing that point that nearly being killed by two psychotic stalkers,one of them one of the most notorious in U.S. history and only weeks after the assisination of John Lennon by another one might not have a bearing on her intense need for privacy about her personal life.Just incredible.:distress:

[Jondalar]

And it seems to some people are missing that point that nearly being killed by two psychotic stalkers,one of them one of the most notorious in U.S. history and only weeks after the assisination of John Lennon by another one might not have a bearing on her intense need for privacy about her personal life.Just incredible.:distress:

Yeah, she had some weird stuff happen to her. Look, Jodi survived. Many child stars don't live to tell the tale and Jodi actually thrived. Keeping her personal life private worked. You can't mandate people to come out. That is not right at all and infact, its really childish. You are almost as evil as the people who hate homosexuals. You dragging people into a fire they didn't start.

[TrueFaith77]

Yeah, she had some weird stuff happen to her. Look, Jodi survived. Many child stars don't live to tell the tale and Jodi actually thrived. Keeping her personal life private worked. You can't mandate people to come out. That is not right at all and infact, its really childish. You are almost as evil as the people who hate homosexuals. You dragging people into a fire they didn't start.

Jondolar, I think, from reading these posts, that you and Bombay are on the same page.

Another 2 cents: Jodie's loyalty is an admirable trait. Some don't value it. I think from reading these posts that Jon, Bombay and I do.