Christine & Lindsey relationship - thoughts? [Archive]

elle

01-09-2013, 06:17 PM

this thread stems from the idea CAD had in the Stevie & Lindsey intimacy thread, once we started discussing Chris and Linds and the nature of their relationship.

it would be interesting to discuss both their professional and personal relationship. they both said that professionally they learned from each other a great deal, that their musical knowledge was complementary, they were developing on different and parallel planes or something like that. they worked closely together on a number of FM albums.

but since Christine left FM and active touring, there were all these weird statements from Lindsey about her "burning all bridges" with her previous life, that apparently in his opinion she didn't have to do so completely (selling the house, selling her music catalog, etc) and he couldn't even "pretend to understand" or something like that. what is behind these statements? is it regret and hurt thinly veiled behind brave face and insensitive remarks? is Lindsey the one who felt the most regretful about Christine leaving and their musical partnership resolving?

what was the nature of their personal relationship? friends certainly, you can see the warmth they had for each other, but with all the partying, drugs, alcohol and living in close quarters, it wouldn't seem surprising that something more happened between them at some - or several - points. if it did, when would that be? Mirage time seems the most obvious... we were discussing some kisses on stage during US festival (see screencap below) and Mirage concert video. if anything ever happened, would they even remember?

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i399/ellellew/cm_lbtuskUSfestival_zps4bbf9898.jpg

"how was it for you?" ;) -
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please discuss, pros and cons, professional and personal, intimacy or no, anything you would like to about Chris and Linds' relationship.

(don't know whether we want to move the last page or two of discussion on these topics from the S&L intimacy thread here or just leave it there as it was an impetus for this thread?)

SteveMacD

01-09-2013, 06:29 PM

I remember Christine saying that she never really had a personal relationship with him. This would have been right after he left in 1987.

Romantically, I don't think they were each other's type. Look at who they were involved with. She's too butch/strong-willed/uncontrollable for him, he's too whimpy for her. If he tried to strangle her, she would have kicked his ass. I think their relationship was purely professional and creative. Beyond that, I don't see them hanging out too much.

Ulpian

01-09-2013, 06:49 PM

This is from an early 90s Golmine interview with Chris, which can be found in the Blue Letter Archives, when asked whether she and LB had a special bond:

Christine McVie: I don’t think so as people. As musicians, yes, I think that he respected me as a musician, and I certainly respected him as a musician. We weren’t close friends. You couldn’t say that. I mean, Lindsey’s not really close friends with anybody.

(October 1992)

Lindsfan

01-09-2013, 08:10 PM

I have no doubt they respected each other as musicians, and enjoyed playing together. And of course they were kinda flirty at times (see the video Elle posted, above). I find it really hard to believe that in their wildest days they didn't hook up at some point. Nothing serious or ongoing, necessarily, but sure they did. Probably more than once!

And clearly Chris enjoyed the view from her area on stage...

http://i47.tinypic.com/35hk0g6.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/2eoxudw.jpg

Can't say I blame her :thumbsup:

cantgoback

01-09-2013, 09:39 PM

It's kinda hard to say, Lindsey doesn't seem very social, but then again... neither does Chris, they had to have something going on I mean their voices are pretty much the same except Lindsey's is masculine and vice versa. They had to have had some connection I mean the Video with them performing Tusk is super intense and about the wildest Christine gets.

Villavic

01-09-2013, 10:18 PM

Don't know why this thread made remember this episode from the Tusk tour, mentioned in Mick's book. It wa in New Zealand after several months on the road, and they were oversaturated and exhausted, the tour was taking its tool:

By then, the exhaustion of constant travel began to set in, and we were all pretty brainfried. Lindsey hit the old scotch bottle a little too hard before the concert, and halfway through the performance he snapped like a guitar string tuned ten octaves too high. First I noticed that he was playing out of tune.Then he started to clown around and mimic Stevie while she was dancing around the stage. Then, while she was hunched over, upstage of Lindsey, during her "Rhiannon" performance, he stopped playing and pulled his jacket over his head in a grotesque imitation of her pose. At that point he lost all control, playing anything except "Rhiannon," laughing like a madman. Then he started to kick Stevie while she was trying to salvage the number. Sixty thousand people were watching! Lindsey would flick his foot at her and Stevie would shy away, trying to cover up his stoned-out behavior to save us all from dying of embarrassment. The rest of the band could only look at each other in disbelief.

The show finally over, we stumbled into the stadium's rugby changing rooms, where we were dressing. There would be no encore that night: we were all freaked out. I could hear the crowd screaming for more as Christine McVie stormed into the room, utterly hell-bent, and made straight for Mr. Buckingham, who was slumped miserably on a bench. Lindsey stood up, and Chris smacked him crack! right in the face. Then she threw her drink at him for good measure. "Don't you ever do this to this band again," she shouted. "Ever! Is that clear?" Then she stormed out again.

.... Christine and Lindsey didn't speak to each other for a week afterwards.

I know she respected him a lot but this shows also how she loved the band.

michelej1

01-09-2013, 11:00 PM

It's kinda hard to say, Lindsey doesn't seem very social, but then again... neither does Chris, they had to have something going on I mean their voices are pretty much the same except Lindsey's is masculine and vice versa.

That's funny, because Stevie and Lindsey's voices are the same too. She has noted how weird it is that he sounds like her when his voice is sped up and she sounds like him when her voice is slowed down. And she also said that with his magic in the studio, on SYW she didn't know if it was Christine singing or Lindsey being Christine. Lindsey is both Stevie and Christine.

More proof that those 3 were meant to be together.

Michele

michelej1

01-09-2013, 11:07 PM

Romantically, I don't think they were each other's type. Look at who they were involved with. She's too butch/strong-willed/uncontrollable for him, he's too whimpy for her. If he tried to strangle her, she would have kicked his ass.

I don't think Christine was as strong in her personal life as she was within the band. The main men in her life that we know about, John, Dennis and Eddy all seemed to have walked over her. In fact, I have a good idea that if John was running around chasing after Stevie with a butcher knife, she'd turn around and give him a piece of her mind and more, faster than Christine would. Christine tolerated a lot in her love life, before she resolved to leave.

Christine has two sides. She can be tough and take charge, but she also goes soft. I mean, when she says Oh Daddy is about Mick, at least in part, I believe her because look at that tour video when she is basically tugging on Mick's sleeve and whining. If Lindsey gets to leave and skip the press conference, why can't she do it? She doesn't want to do it, if Lindsey doesn't have to. Mick just ignores her. It made me laugh because it was very father/daughter. There was a little girl in her.

Michele

michelej1

01-09-2013, 11:23 PM

As far as Chris and Lindsey's relationship, I can believe they never had sex. Yet, I wouldn't be shocked if they did. But I don't necessarily think that was the case.

I think they had a deep affection which they mainly (if not only) expressed musically and when the music between them was gone it left a void. You still have this feeling for a person, but no longer any way to communicate and convey it. You know, Lindsey will say he shared things with these people that he shared with no one else except his family and, in fact, he said he's been through more with them than he has with his family. But he has this base with his family which gives him many ways to connect with them, totally outside of music. He doesn't have that with FM and when they aren't playing together, they really have nothing to do with that residual emotion. I think it's sad in a way.

Stevie said that she was upset when Lindsey entered the band and wrote World Turning with Christine right away, when she and Lindsey had not written before. Now, I don't think Stevie wanted Lindsey as a songwriting partner, but what I think she was jealous of was the connection that music gave Lindsey and Christine. Something she and Lindsey never shared, as equals. They were in music together, but not on the same level with one another. Stevie could do things that Lindsey couldn't do, but it was nothing that he particularly valued. He meets Christine and immediately they are communing as musicians. That pricked Stevie a bit.

While Lindsey and Christine may not have been lovers, they were certainly aware of each other physically. Lots of touching. Now, I don't see her touching Mick and John so much, but, in fairness, that could have been just because Lindsey walked the stage, John does not (except during Stand Back he did walk the stage to move on the opposite side of Lindsey and Christine who were canoodling) and Mick cannot. If Mick was on the floor with Christine and not stuck behind a drumkit, he may have been making out with her non-stop. Who can say.

I did notice during the BTM appearances, Christine had her fingers in Lindsey's hair and on his face as they stood together (and Stevie was collecting for Greenpeace). I have never seen her caressing John, Mick, Rick OR Billy while standing on stage for the final bow like that.

Mick said when it was cold he and Peter used to sleep together and hold each other for warmth. So . . . well . . . who knows what any of it means.

Michele

SteveMacD

01-09-2013, 11:40 PM

I think some of that's show. They all get touchy-feely during the shows. Look at the clips from "Songbird".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Vz5ZmJCJ4

elle

01-10-2013, 08:47 PM

I think some of that's show. They all get touchy-feely during the shows. Look at the clips from "Songbird".

where is that throw-up emoticon when one needs it? you post a youtube vid of Lindsey-less FM in a thread about lindsey and christine? :rolleyes: ;)

MacShadowsBall

01-11-2013, 07:00 PM

Short and to the point....

Everybody in Fleetwood Mac slept with EVERYBODY in Fleetwood Mac!!!! :nod:

michelej1

01-11-2013, 07:15 PM

Short and to the point....

Everybody in Fleetwood Mac slept with EVERYBODY in Fleetwood Mac!!!! :nod:

John did say something like that. He had an exception though. I think he said everyone slept with everyone except him and Mick, but I'm not 100% sure if that was the couple he excluded.

Michele

Lindsfan

01-11-2013, 07:30 PM

http://i45.tinypic.com/9r2b1l.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/b5snjd.jpg

michelej1

01-11-2013, 07:34 PM

http://i45.tinypic.com/9r2b1l.jpg

Stevie could have come up and knocked out their teeth. Michele

SteveMacD

01-11-2013, 08:20 PM

where is that throw-up emoticon when one needs it? you post a youtube vid of Lindsey-less FM in a thread about lindsey and christine? :rolleyes: ;)
To show that the lovey-dovey thing is just what they do at the end of the shows. It's not exclusive to Chris and Lindsey.

elle

01-11-2013, 08:28 PM

To show that the lovey-dovey thing is just what they do at the end of the shows. It's not exclusive to Chris and Lindsey.

i didn't know Lindsey and Christine were doing some special lovey-dovey thing at the end of the shows? if you have it, can you share some Lindsey/Christine end of shows lovey-dovey things you are referring to?

so far, seems that people have been bringing up various kisses and warm behavior between Lindsey and Christine during Mirage shows, not at the end. different than during other tours.

also photos of what seem to be warm encounters at events like weddings of mutual acquaintances after they wouldn't work together for a while.

elle

01-11-2013, 08:44 PM

http://i45.tinypic.com/9r2b1l.jpg

too funny - perfect pose of mac songwriters!

http://i48.tinypic.com/b5snjd.jpg
thank you for sharing that! i remember seeing several pictures, from various periods, of the 2 of them sitting at the table somewhere outside like this - anybody have any of those?

michelej1

01-11-2013, 10:19 PM

i didn't know Lindsey and Christine were doing some special lovey-dovey thing at the end of the shows? if you have it, can you share some Lindsey/Christine end of shows lovey-dovey things you are referring to?

First part of the Dance tour they were kissing at the end of the shows and they were also doing things during Stand Back. Well, not lovey dovey, just talking close so that they could hear each other. Also, during GYOW he would either touch her head with his head or come around the piano and put his face against her face. Bury his nose between her cheek and her neck.

But he would touch all 3 of them during GYOW. With Stevie, what he usually did was nuzzle the back of her neck and she would tense up her shoulders. She would be standing there right by Chris' piano. But for the last Dance shows, she moved away from Chris' piano. When she moved away from him, he hunted her down for the nuzzle -- and he kissed her.

Chris wasn't doing anything lovey dovey with anyone else on that Dance tour. Mick would collect her after Songbird, but she wasn't as affectionate with him generally as she was on the Dance dvd. She was kissing Lindsey on the mouth for half of the tour. Then she stopped. I guess he burned his bridges. No, I am tired of him being blamed for everything, but I did laugh when I reviewed an old interview this week and he said that he may have been "indirectly" involved in her decision to leave (meaning only that he supported her needing to get away as a survival move, because he had done the same himself). I thought to myself based on what we heard in recent months, "yeah you were indirectly involved alright, Buddy. You were apparently so angry because you didn't win a Grammy that she couldn't take any more."

Michele

michelej1

01-11-2013, 10:20 PM

thank you for sharing that! i remember seeing several pictures, from various periods, of the 2 of them sitting at the table somewhere outside like this - anybody have any of those?

I've seen other table shots, but they were from this same day, from a different angle.

Michele

WildHearted

01-11-2013, 10:23 PM

I've seen other table shots, but they were from this same day, from a different angle.

Michele

I know there are those ones from the Tusk era where Stevie's wearing pants. I think Chris and Lindsey were sitting next to each other for those too.

michelej1

01-12-2013, 10:20 PM

Ok, I am looking at the Mirage video now. I listened to Love in Store hoping to hear the B3 dirge that David described (not that I'd recognize it if I did), but anyway after the song when Lindsey said, "Christine McVie!" it reminded me of the times when no one would introduce her, so Chris would just say her own name. So hilarious.

Michele

michelej1

01-12-2013, 10:32 PM

I feel like I need to screencap this "tear" under Lindsey's eye as he repeatedly pants, "don't make me wait," Dee. :cool:

Michele

michelej1

01-13-2013, 12:53 AM

Nope, I failed guys, Going through this video, I did not see the kiss. Michele

applebucked

09-01-2013, 01:27 PM

Speaking of kisses... :laugh:

http://31.media.tumblr.com/fb11f53aded45f7f0efdd2581ba567a5/tumblr_msglurfBSl1qzlffjo1_400.gif

This one is from Largo, 1979:
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michelej1

09-01-2013, 04:10 PM

This one is from Largo, 1979:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/3c2ceacd32a157272afcc16b2f92dcf4/tumblr_ms3jpv1GJ51qzlffjo1_250.gif

For the rest of this month, my motto is: I'm waiting on the countdown, sitting in the shade. Things about to turn around. How the madness fades.

I can hardly function mentally any longer. You know, exhilarating, disappointing or something in between, London is going to be one of those moments in history that ... This month, we're getting a top 10 FM moment, any way it goes, good, bad or indifferent.

Michele

Ulpian

09-01-2013, 04:26 PM

For the rest of this month, my motto is: I'm waiting on the countdown, sitting in the shade. Things about to turn around. How the madness fades.

I can hardly function mentally any longer. You know, exhilarating, disappointing or something in between, London is going to be one of those moments in history that ... This month, we're getting a top 10 FM moment, any way it goes, good, bad or indifferent.

Michele

Do you think Chris will go through with it, Michele?

I'm still unsure that she will want to perform in front of however many people are in the O2.

Of course if it happened that would be amazing :D

CADreaming

09-01-2013, 04:43 PM

Still don't know which night, right?

michelej1

09-01-2013, 06:04 PM

Yes, I think she'll do it. Since she has spoken about it -- and not just, Mick -- I don't think it is something she won't do.

No, we don't have a night for it. I am thinking both of the last 2 nights though, if I have to place a wager,

Michele

Deeshere

09-01-2013, 08:19 PM

Like I said on the Stevie & Lindsey thread. I don't think Lindsey and Chris did or were sleeping together.

I do think that they were close co-workers, and did definitely care about each other. They have the same sarcastic humor, respect each other musically, so I'm sure in the studio and on tour they had a good time together, but I think it stopped there.

Chris definitely thought Lindsey was hot. She even said so in several interviews. So, I think she might have been willing to sleep with Lindsey (though not have a relationship with him) if he wanted to, because he was hot but he was also not her type. She liked a guy that was laid back, and fun, and that she could have a beer with. Lindsey is NOTHING like that.

I think Lindsey found her attractive, and enjoyed hanging out with her, but all the interviews I have ever seen where he talks about Chris, he never seem like he was interested in having a serious relationship with her. It always seem to me that he saw her as a kindred spirit, but nothing romantic.

(IMO) Lindsey was still dealing with the fall out from his and Stevie's relationship and still having emotional issues with having to see her and work with her everyday. I can't see him wanting to sleep with another female (even if he found her attractive) in the band and possibly having to deal with more drama within the band from not just 1 woman, but 2. Also, you know it would have ticked John off as well, so then Lindsey would would have to deal with John too.

There are times when Stevie and John would flirt with each other (obviously to tick Lindsey & Chris off) and then you would see Lindsey and Chris start flirting with each other to get back at them, but I just don't think anything happen with Lindsey & Chris anymore than with John & Stevie.

elle

09-01-2013, 09:45 PM

I just don't think anything happen with Lindsey & Chris anymore than with John & Stevie.

frankly, i think they themselves may not even know lol. they were all so high and drunk and out of it for so much of their time together and sharing close quarters and changing in the same dressing room and partying and who knows what that i wouldn't be in the least surprised if either couple did it maybe once maybe twice. ;) i don't think rational thinking had too much to do with most of their actions at the time.

i don't really care about John's or Stevie's private lives (more than i have to because it's being thrown in my face by lyrics, interviews or fans). looking at Christine and Lindsey and some of their interactions i wouldn't be surprised if it happened here or there.

but mostly i do think that Christine and Lindsey have some great chemistry together, and interesting warm relationship with a lot of respect for each other's work and musicianship and enjoying some wry humor together... as Lindsey also mentioned when describing FM getting together in LA at the beginning of this year, right before the tour started. i don't know enough and it's not really my business but i don't think either of them ever really had any couple relationship inclinations towards each other.

applebucked

09-01-2013, 09:47 PM

IMO, I think that if there was a point where Chris and Lindsey slept together, it would be between Mirage and Tango in the Night, but it's a short fling, at most. I don't see them being in a relationship together because she's too 'forward' for him, he's too 'uptight' for her. But I won't be shocked if they haven't slept together either.

If we're talking about a musical relationship, then hell to the yes. The mutual understanding they have is extremely palpable.

elle

09-01-2013, 09:49 PM

For the rest of this month, my motto is: I'm waiting on the countdown, sitting in the shade. Things about to turn around. How the madness fades.

I can hardly function mentally any longer. You know, exhilarating, disappointing or something in between, London is going to be one of those moments in history that ... This month, we're getting a top 10 FM moment, any way it goes, good, bad or indifferent.

Michele

hope it happens and goes great and gets recorded multiple times for posterity by multiple fans from multiple positions in the audience... although expectations are so high and low at the same time that it's hard to tell.

applebucked

09-01-2013, 09:51 PM

I think it would happen, since Christine herself has said she would do it. She has committed publicly and privately. If there's a strength personality-wise that woman has, it is keeping her word. :nod:

bethelblues

09-02-2013, 01:36 PM

There are photos in here from The Dance, but what stands out most to me in the taped concert is the song "Bleed to Love Her." There are shot-reverse-shots of Lindsey and Christine playing to each other in that song, with Stevie off playing her tambourine. That song always stands out to me; I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned in this topic.

Also, aren't there rumours that the song "Isn't It Midnight" had some resonance to a Lindsey-Christine affair?

I can't believe it's September already!!

I think it would happen, since Christine herself has said she would do it. She has committed publicly and privately. If there's a strength personality-wise that woman has, it is keeping her word. :nod:

I agree completely.

michelej1

09-02-2013, 02:02 PM

There are photos in here from The Dance, but what stands out most to me in the taped concert is the song "Bleed to Love Her." There are shot-reverse-shots of Lindsey and Christine playing to each other in that song, with Stevie off playing her tambourine. That song always stands out to me; I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned in this topic.

Also, aren't there rumours that the song "Isn't It Midnight" had some resonance to a Lindsey-Christine affair?

I don't think Lindsey and Christine were having an affair at all. However, whenever he is standing away from his mic, not singing, he is frequently looking at Christine. That's always been true and that is certainly a poignant part of the official Dance dvd. Brett never got that kind of action:laugh:.

Michele

applebucked

09-02-2013, 02:07 PM

I don't think it's an allusion to an affair either.

Personally, I'd prefer to think of their chemistry as sensual, and not sexual. :nod:

michelej1

09-02-2013, 02:16 PM

I don't think it's an allusion to an affair either.

Personally, I'd prefer to think of their chemistry as sensual, and not sexual. :nod:

And I actually think of it as more spiritual, and not sensual or sexual. Anyway, there was awkwardness with Lindsey, Stevie and John for BTM, but Christine and Lindsey were beautiful, I thought and my fervent hope is that there is some interaction between Lindsey and Christine in September that is warm and genuine and not distant or strained. Like it or not, there is going to be a Don't Stop and I hope it's a good one.

I think they have been cool perhaps since SYW, but I don't think that would have persisted if they'd been in close proximity to each other over these intervening years.

And I just want her to stay on the stage. For BTM Lindsey did go off stage and Mick called him back for the last bow, but that was only respectful to Rick and Billy. This time, Mick can call Christine back onto the stage after Say Goodbye to take a bow with them, but I am dreaming of something a little different than that. I'll be here indulging my fantasies for the next 3 weeks.

Michele

Villavic

09-02-2013, 11:15 PM

I don't think Lindsey and Christine were having an affair at all. However, whenever he is standing away from his mic, not singing, he is frequently looking at Christine

Michele

There are also looks between Lindsey and Mick during Mirage concert :laugh::laugh:

michelej1

09-03-2013, 12:19 AM

There are also looks between Lindsey and Mick during Mirage concert :laugh::laugh:

Ah, Lindsey and Mick. True love, though "it's complicated."

Michele

applebucked

09-03-2013, 01:22 AM

Ah, Lindsey and Mick. True love, though "it's complicated."
Isn't that everyone's relationship status? :laugh:

jbrownsjr

09-04-2013, 10:53 AM

I've always felt they were like sister and brother personally and wrote the best music of FM. They spent a lot of time on Tusk, Mirage, and TITN together. Their vocals together are amazing, the co-writes are creative, and the overall sound they produce is wonderful.

The world could use more Buckingham/McVie and less Buckingham/Nicks.

applebucked

09-04-2013, 11:21 AM

Exactly. They are so ridiculously compatible with each other musically, and it shows in their work. Wish they would record something in the present time because both of them now have this rich, aged tone in their voices which can be a really great blend today. Tango in the Night is especially a very fruitful album for this pair.

Yes, more Buckingham/McVie please. :nod:

ejb1969

09-04-2013, 12:27 PM

applebucked

09-04-2013, 01:15 PM

I would be interested to see how the Buckingham/McVie collaborative process differs from B/N. I doubt there would be any "You wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan" exchanges, but I'd imagine potential points of conflict being between what's "good" and "good enough" in each track's development.
With Lindsey and Christine on the polar opposite ends of the "traditional vs. experimental" spectrum, there is bound to be conflict. They're also both notorious perfectionists, which means they would probably take a long time to polish one track.

michelej1

09-04-2013, 10:20 PM

I've always felt they were like sister and brother personally

Yes, I think along those lines. Lindsey said something like their formative years taking them down the same path (parallel lines) even before they ever met and I feel that. Of course, I go a little off the deep end when I think of things like that and when he says that his mother signed him up for piano lessons and he wasn't interested I think to myself, "well, that's because you didn't have to be. There was already a piano out there for you, somewhere."

John once said, of all of them, that they were like sisters and brothers, a family, even if they don't see each other often, and it sounds like one of those polite things that a band member might say, but I actually took him at his word and believe that as a valid description.

And I don't even mean that in the lovey dovey way, but more in the inexorable, "I'm stuck with you, like it or not" kind of way. That person is always going to be part of my identity, even if they're kooky and maddening and my feelings for them are unconditional -- even if I'd like to hate them.

Michele

michelej1

09-04-2013, 10:25 PM

As for Stevie/Lindsey v. Lindsey/Christine, I'm very much a prodigal son type of person. I want most, what's lost. I've lost Christine and I want her back to feel whole. So, I kill the fatted calf for her and of Stevie and Lindsey I just think, "Oh them. They've already eaten.":laugh:

But I love Stevie and Lindsey together very, very much. I just really prefer the 5 of them over Stevie, Lindsey, John and Mick any day of the week.

Michele

applebucked

09-04-2013, 10:45 PM

The band is a crazy, dysfunctional family, there's no going around it.

Yes, all 5 of them is better than four of them with one missing. Though I do wonder what would happen with a Fleetwood-McVie-McVie-Buckingham lineup though.

jbrownsjr

09-05-2013, 08:39 AM

applebucked

09-05-2013, 08:51 AM

I agree.. that magic is less potent with just 4... and we've eaten the SN/LB meals over and over (pun intended)... time to have LB/CM or CM/SN with our potatoes.. :laugh:
mmm, sounds yummy.

Actually that's one more thing I wanted to see with the band, generally speaking - more collaborations with regards to songwriting.

jbrownsjr

09-05-2013, 12:12 PM

mmm, sounds yummy.

Actually that's one more thing I wanted to see with the band, generally speaking - more collaborations with regards to songwriting.

I remember during Mirage interviews with Christine, she was talking about more interaction of writing. And her singing LB or SN tunes, and vice versa. I guess Hold Me was one of those examples.. And Straight Back, you get a lot of Christine.. Those are my fav. moments..

applebucked

09-05-2013, 12:33 PM

I remember during Mirage interviews with Christine, she was talking about more interaction of writing. And her singing LB or SN tunes, and vice versa. I guess Hold Me was one of those examples.. And Straight Back, you get a lot of Christine.. Those are my fav. moments..
One of my favorites in terms of harmonies that demo of Oh Daddy with Stevie harmonies. That was fabulous. Wish Stevie and Christine wrote at least one song together, though.

applebucked

09-10-2013, 07:41 PM

Okay, so I had a rather huge Christine/Lindsey kick today and posed a question on my Tumblr about what can happen if Stevie retired after The Dance instead of Christine. Here's my take on it:

Studio wise, I’d be highly interested where this would go because Lindsey and Christine work extremely well musically (Lindsey’s strengths are Christine’s weaknesses, and vice versa) and there won’t be as much “competition of egos” in the would be album.

This is going to take a huge blow in a live setting, however (because, ya know, Stevie gets butts in those seats). Stevie is basically a whole ‘nother level personality and presence-wise even when she isn’t twirling as much as she did before. And while Lindsey is an animal in stage, Chris isn’t exactly known for her stage presence so there’s the possiblity for it to turn into the Lindsey Buckingham show, with the kickass rhythm section (but maybe Chris would step into the frontline enough for this not to happen).

If you’re going to ask me if I’d see them in concert, if given the opportunity, hell to the yes. Especially since this most likely means smaller, more intimate venues that mean they could flex their artistic muscles more and be more flexible with setlists.

Honestly, though, from what I can interpret from various material from the SYW era about the musical relationship between Stevie and Lindsey, the Buckingham/C. McVie combo would most likely be talking more than fighting.

SteveMacD

09-10-2013, 08:45 PM

This is going to take a huge blow in a live setting, however (because, ya know, Stevie gets butts in those seats).
I think it could have worked in 1987, when their new music was still relevant and the band name had more weight as creative (not oldies) unit. "Rumours" wasn't always brought up in interviews, and was definitely not the main focus of the interviews if it was brought up. Christine and Lindsey were at the top of their games on "Tango," but Stevie was pretty rough. "Tango" would have still been a hit without Stevie. I think Fleetwood Mac looking and sounding good and Stevie Nicks not so much would have made the parting of ways understandable in the public's eyes and the band could have survived. They would have had to continue ONLY as a quartet, though.

Today, the band is mostly synonymous with Stevie, and they've been playing up the drama of "Rumours" and the Stevie-Lindsey relationship for so long that I just don't see it working now without Stevie. But, I don't think Christine or Lindsey would want to do a project without her at this point.

michelej1

09-10-2013, 09:26 PM

Studio wise, I’d be highly interested where this would go because Lindsey and Christine work extremely well musically (Lindsey’s strengths are Christine’s weaknesses, and vice versa) and there won’t be as much “competition of egos” in the would be album.

This is going to take a huge blow in a live setting, however (because, ya know, Stevie gets butts in those seats). Stevie is basically a whole ‘nother level personality and presence-wise even when she isn’t twirling as much as she did before. And while Lindsey is an animal in stage, Chris isn’t exactly known for her stage presence so there’s the possiblity for it to turn into the Lindsey Buckingham show, with the kickass rhythm section (but maybe Chris would step into the frontline enough for this not to happen).

Yes, I'd definitely see them in concert, but what kind of venues would they be playing? Without Stevie, they aren't going to sell arena tickets. Which is fine -- for focused fans we'd probably get better music, if they played smaller places. I didn't get to see Christine's show live in 1984, but I do have the video album and it does tend to wane. It would be interesting to see if she and Lindsey could combine to do something more exhilarating than that on stage by themselves.

But really my wish is that Christine just record with the band (if she does, Stevie will too, automatically, but I'm not interested in whether Stevie records with them, any longer if Chris is there) and then Lindsey and Stevie tour. Best of both worlds. One DVD with Christine would be nice, but I'm not asking for her to go on the road again. It could easily work with her just recording. Stevie performing live. No need to play newly recorded Christine songs in concert.

Michele

jbrownsjr

09-10-2013, 10:02 PM

I think if she recorded with them, she might be interested in doing 5 shows in big cities to promote the album and DVD. It could be quite lucrative for them.

applebucked

09-11-2013, 03:09 AM

I think it could have worked in 1987, when their new music was still relevant and the band name had more weight as creative (not oldies) unit. "Rumours" wasn't always brought up in interviews, and was definitely not the main focus of the interviews if it was brought up. Christine and Lindsey were at the top of their games on "Tango," but Stevie was pretty rough. "Tango" would have still been a hit without Stevie. I think Fleetwood Mac looking and sounding good and Stevie Nicks not so much would have made the parting of ways understandable in the public's eyes and the band could have survived. They would have had to continue ONLY as a quartet, though.

Today, the band is mostly synonymous with Stevie, and they've been playing up the drama of "Rumours" and the Stevie-Lindsey relationship for so long that I just don't see it working now without Stevie. But, I don't think Christine or Lindsey would want to do a project without her at this point.

Somehow, I wish that happened during Tango instead of Lindsey leaving them in a lurch like that. Because I made a playlist of Tango replacing all of Stevie's songs with some B-Sides, and it makes for a better album. Rumours is a double-edged sword, isn't it? While without that album, they wouldn't have made it big, that album also stifled them creatively especially in the recent years. Those turmoil happened god knows how many years ago, and it's hard to recapture the magic now since they're all in different places in life.

Yes, I'd definitely see them in concert, but what kind of venues would they be playing? Without Stevie, they aren't going to sell arena tickets. Which is fine -- for focused fans we'd probably get better music, if they played smaller places. I didn't get to see Christine's show live in 1984, but I do have the video album and it does tend to wane. It would be interesting to see if she and Lindsey could combine to do something more exhilarating than that on stage by themselves.

But really my wish is that Christine just record with the band (if she does, Stevie will too, automatically, but I'm not interested in whether Stevie records with them, any longer if Chris is there) and then Lindsey and Stevie tour. Best of both worlds. One DVD with Christine would be nice, but I'm not asking for her to go on the road again. It could easily work with her just recording. Stevie performing live. No need to play newly recorded Christine songs in concert.

Arenas are definitely out of the question, there's not going around it. I'm imagining theaters, or clubs. Theaters are especially nice since even if they need to charge a bit more (but not as much as now, probably) they could make up for that with better music and a more eclectic setlist. I'm sure Lindsey or even Chris to a certain extent wanted to play some of those tunes that hardly or even never saw the light of day on stage (honestly speaking I have an aversion towards large venues regardless of artist. so much stimulation around).

But a new album with the five of them is more than enough to make me happy, regardless if Christine wants to tour or not.

I think if she recorded with them, she might be interested in doing 5 shows in big cities to promote the album and DVD. It could be quite lucrative for them.

They can do a short tour (not more than 30 dates worldwide. maybe Christine can do like 5-10 of those dates, dunno if she's willing to do more), do a DVD of three complete concerts with three different setlists (greatest hits, new album, deep cuts) coinciding with a new album, release them, and kaching, kaching, kaching. That way, they get to promote stuff, give fewer performances of greater quality (saves their voices and their bodies), and Christine does not have to travel/fly much. The trade off is that less people get to see them, but if we get complete concerts, that can more than make up for it. Maybe they can throw in some backstage footage if they so choose.

Maybe a mix of venues would be nice too. Not digging the all-arena venues of this tour.

elle

03-19-2014, 07:53 PM

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(cropped from photo posted here http://instagram.com/normanseeff - http://instagram.com/p/iFPjgUkLHy/ - check out also http://normanseeff.com/)

michelej1

03-19-2014, 10:28 PM

^Mmmmm. Nice hair and is her other hand nestled beneath Lindsey's, covered in the crook of his elbow?

Michele

goldenground

03-19-2014, 10:36 PM

Well, at one point she definitely had a crush on him, and recently admitted that 'Over My Head' was a tribute "to the gorgeousness that was Lindsey". I don't know how long that crush lasted, but they've always seemed fond of each other, and she's the only person who Lindsey took seriously on a musical level. "Had I gone there I probably would have been over my head" lol love her.

iamnotafraid

03-20-2014, 03:57 AM

they've always seemed fond of each other...

What?

Elle's pictures are contributing to the madness of this forum.

jbrownsjr

03-20-2014, 03:01 PM

goldenground

03-20-2014, 04:23 PM

What?

Elle's pictures are contributing to the madness of this forum.

Lol I didn't mean to insinuate anything deeper than just the simple fact that back in the day, they seemed to get along (on a musical level anyway) For the most part she seems to be the only one who Lindsey took seriously as an artist. In his words "Christine and I have a common foundation, we have a very similar musical and melodic sense in many ways so that we could jam and it would just spark off. She would play around me and I would play around her"

goldenground

03-20-2014, 04:28 PM

Evidence seems to point in certain directions. I loved that he jumped in her limo and drove around with her on, The Dance. :D

I didn't know that! He probably tried harassing her into staying with the band :laugh:

welcomechris

03-20-2014, 04:32 PM

I didn't know that! He probably tried harassing her into staying with the band :laugh:
Christine has said that he did

Deeshere

03-22-2014, 12:19 PM

Christine has said that he did

That's very interesting, because Lindsey said just the opposite.

Here's his quote:

GWA So the pieces were fitting back together again - but evidently Christine wasn't part of the equation anymore. What happened?

BUCKINGHAM When we were touring behind The Dance album, you could see that Christine wasn't very happy on the road, When it got to the point were making a decision about doing more dates - going to other places in the World and then maybe coming back and doing more stuff in the States - she really just pulled the plug. She didn't want to do it, And I have to say, I was maybe the one person who wasn't giving her a hard time about that, because in some ways I was ambivalent about being up there too, for different reasons. I had once again put something of mine on the shelf and been sucked back into the black hole of Fleetwood Mac. At some point, for my own desires, I wanted to get back to the body of work that is now the new Fleetwood Mac album, but at the time appeared to be a solo album. I didn't want that to languish forever. So I understood her need to do what she wanted to do, even though she was being pressured to continue. In some ways, I probably helped enable her to make that decision, which didn't exactly make me very popular at that time. But she just had to pull out; the same way I had to in '87. There was a kinship between us in terms of having to make a decision for your own survival. With the band coming back without her, you could say, "Oh, there's a large piece missing" and in some ways there is. But it also opened up new possibilities for setting an overall tone for the album.
I think it allowed us to make, certainly, a much ballsier album, and allowed Stevie and myself to at least begin rediscovering our dynamic as a two-part vocal group. Now, I don't think that's so well represented on the new album, because a lot of the stuff that's mine was already set, and a lot of her songs were already written along certain lines as well. When we do this again - and I hope we do, in a year or so - and we write songs from the ground up, I hope we do them as two-part harmony songs. So, really, there's been a whole realm that's opened up by virtue of Christine not being here.

jbrownsjr

03-22-2014, 03:07 PM

That's very interesting, because Lindsey said just the opposite.

Here's his quote:

GWA So the pieces were fitting back together again - but evidently Christine wasn't part of the equation anymore. What happened?

BUCKINGHAM When we were touring behind The Dance album, you could see that Christine wasn't very happy on the road, When it got to the point were making a decision about doing more dates - going to other places in the World and then maybe coming back and doing more stuff in the States - she really just pulled the plug. She didn't want to do it, And I have to say, I was maybe the one person who wasn't giving her a hard time about that, because in some ways I was ambivalent about being up there too, for different reasons. I had once again put something of mine on the shelf and been sucked back into the black hole of Fleetwood Mac. At some point, for my own desires, I wanted to get back to the body of work that is now the new Fleetwood Mac album, but at the time appeared to be a solo album. I didn't want that to languish forever. So I understood her need to do what she wanted to do, even though she was being pressured to continue. In some ways, I probably helped enable her to make that decision, which didn't exactly make me very popular at that time. But she just had to pull out; the same way I had to in '87. There was a kinship between us in terms of having to make a decision for your own survival. With the band coming back without her, you could say, "Oh, there's a large piece missing" and in some ways there is. But it also opened up new possibilities for setting an overall tone for the album.
I think it allowed us to make, certainly, a much ballsier album, and allowed Stevie and myself to at least begin rediscovering our dynamic as a two-part vocal group. Now, I don't think that's so well represented on the new album, because a lot of the stuff that's mine was already set, and a lot of her songs were already written along certain lines as well. When we do this again - and I hope we do, in a year or so - and we write songs from the ground up, I hope we do them as two-part harmony songs. So, really, there's been a whole realm that's opened up by virtue of Christine not being here.

Christine stated that he wanted her to do Europe and Australia after the US 40 date tour.

Deeshere

03-22-2014, 03:14 PM

Christine stated that he wanted her to do Europe and Australia after the US 40 date tour.

I'm don't doubt that he did or that she said that. I tend to believe what Christine says. I was just pointing out the he said/she said dynamics in the band that is always there.

Wdm6789

03-22-2014, 03:25 PM

I accidentally posted this in the ken's book thread. I apologize to anyone who a reads it over there too.

Anyone else read whatever articles that said Lindsey was being a bitch about Christine coming back he said "she can't just come and go" or something like that. He quit the band on pretty bad terms back in 87-88 and he was welcomed back ten years later and he's going to be the butt hurt one about Christine coming back. Or maybe it has something to do with Christine retiring not long after Lindsey came back, but they did do the dance tour before Christine left.

michelej1

03-22-2014, 03:27 PM

I'm don't doubt that he did or that she said that. I tend to believe what Christine says. I was just pointing out the he said/she said dynamics in the band that is always there.

I don't think their versions are mutually exclusive. I mean, Lindsey's position might not have been static, but evolving instead.

I also think that they all thought if they just gave her a little time off, let her breathe, that she would change her mind and come back. And she did. It just took a few more years than they believed it would.

But I could see Lindsey trying to convince her to stay, then seeing that it might backfire if he pushed too hard and supporting her "survival move" and then when she didn't return after all, he was upset.

Michele

jbrownsjr

03-22-2014, 03:29 PM

I'm don't doubt that he did or that she said that. I tend to believe what Christine says. I was just pointing out the he said/she said dynamics in the band that is always there.

Yeah, I totally believe they go back and forth. Thanks for posting, I had not seen that quote before.

Deeshere

03-22-2014, 03:35 PM

elle

03-22-2014, 03:56 PM

There was a pretty long thread about this subject a few months ago, you might want to look at.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=52693

of course, then towards the end of the year Christine's and Lindsey's new radio interviews came out, and completely reversed all the speculations stemming from that article. apparently they are both more than happy to be working together again.

Deeshere

03-22-2014, 04:33 PM

I don't think their versions are mutually exclusive. I mean, Lindsey's position might not have been static, but evolving instead.

I also think that they all thought if they just gave her a little time off, let her breathe, that she would change her mind and come back. And she did. It just took a few more years than they believed it would.

But I could see Lindsey trying to convince her to stay, then seeing that it might backfire if he pushed too hard and supporting her "survival move" and then when she didn't return after all, he was upset.

Michele

Not sure if I agree it evolved...I know Lindsey comments regarding Christine in the past were a little sharp, but that's the way he talks. Depending on his mood at the time he's being interviewed he can be very blunt and not pull any punches or be very philosophical and sweet. It's just the way he is, it's the way he's always been.

I know a lot of fan think Lindsey was or is mad at Christine because she left the band in 97 but I don't see it that way.

I agree that the band members thought if they let Christine go she would eventually come back and I think that's one of the reasons it took so long for them to get back in the studio to record SYW, but all in all I don't think Lindsey was THAT upset. He had his own personal issues to deal with at the time. He was with Kristen and had just found out she was pregnant, He had his own solo work that was just sitting in the studio collecting dust, and if Stevie's lyrics in "Thrown Down" are to believed..."He fell for her again, she watched it happen" So I feel like he had enough stuff keeping him busy behind the scenes, without having to add the worry of if Christine was leaving the band or not.

I don't think he wanted the band to splinter again, so soon after they had reconnected in 97, and I think he probably DID want the band to tour Europe so he could make more money (raising a kid isn't cheap) but all in all I don't think he would have been that mad at Christine for leaving or even stayed mad at her for any length of time. Especially, when he did the exact same thing in 87.

Deeshere

03-22-2014, 04:38 PM

of course, then towards the end of the year Christine's and Lindsey's new radio interviews came out, and completely reversed all the speculations stemming from that article. apparently they are both more than happy to be working together again.

Of course they are :D. Lindsey just didn't want Christine coming and going and stealing all his thunder. Now that he knows she's going to be a permanent fixture in the band he's more than happy to work with her again because they are very creative together..:blob2:

Deeshere

03-22-2014, 04:46 PM

Yeah, I totally believe they go back and forth. Thanks for posting, I had not seen that quote before.

This members of this band revise and re-revise their history so much that it's really hard to know who to believe (and I'm sure everyone had a different opinion), but in order of believability for me it kinda goes like this:

1) John/Christine
2) Lindsey
3) Mick
4) Stevie

michelej1

03-22-2014, 05:25 PM

Not sure if I agree it evolved...I know Lindsey comments regarding Christine in the past were a little sharp, but that's the way he talks. Depending on his mood at the time he's being interviewed he can be very blunt and not pull any punches or be very philosophical and sweet. It's just the way he is, it's the way he's always been.

Yes, depending on his mood. In my view, his mood was scorned. There are things Lindsey says when he's angry that he doesn't when he's not. He can be blunt, but he exercises diplomacy. Just as we've seen with Stevie, he says some things when he's not trying to ingratiate himself with her that he wouldn't when he is.

If he wasn't bitter when Christine left, I don't think he would have made some of the comments that he did. And I interpreted his comments the same way I interpreted hers about him after he left.

It doesn't even matter if they felt the comments are true or not. My point is, they wouldn't say them if they weren't a bit angry, even if they'd always believed them secretly. Both Christine and Lindsey seemed to exhibit "sour grapes" behavior in the wake of the other's departure.

It's like Stevie saying that she and Lindsey let it all out in 1987, everything they'd held back in case they might get back together was thrown out in the big fight. I think jabs were made when Christine left that said to me that he wasn't as happy to have 30% more room as he kept saying he was.

Plus, I think the vibe felt like even Stevie was a little miffed at Christine for awhile. There was a petulance, 'well, if that's what Christine wants, that's what she gets'. A sense that everyone felt a little rejected.

Michele

bombaysaffires

03-22-2014, 06:50 PM

There was a petulance, 'well, if that's what Christine wants, that's what she gets'. A sense that everyone felt a little rejected.

Rejected, or miffed at the lost business opportunities? I suspect a bit of both.

michelej1

03-22-2014, 08:14 PM

Rejected, or miffed at the lost business opportunities? I suspect a bit of both.

Well, when the Dance ended, I think they were thinking of the lost money. They could have gotten millions if they'd toured in 1998 and I think they were all cognizant of the financial waste. But then years passed.

By 2003 they were still planning a big tour and I don't think any promoter told them they would get less money because of Christine's absence. So, no I don't think they were worried about the loss revenue so much. I think they just couldn't believe she would stay away from them and that her wanting out wasn't a passing phase. I think it was more personal than monetary.

Michele

SteveMacD

03-22-2014, 10:05 PM

I think they just couldn't believe she would stay away from them and that her wanting out wasn't a passing phase. I think it was more personal than monetary.
That should not have been a surprise. She quit touring in 1990, and made it known why she was sick of it. Some of her songs on "Time" made it clear she was "music'd out". If they could not see that her presence in the band was limited, then they were fools. It seemed obvious to me, and I'm guessing a lot of other people who were paying attention, that she was just going out on top. And who could blame her for that?

However, that Billy Burnette was on ITM only strengthens the argument that Christine wasn't as upset about the band's personnel choices as she was just sick of touring. Stevie and Lindsey shouldn't flatter themselves so much, and Mick and John should have known better

michelej1

03-23-2014, 12:10 AM

However, that Billy Burnette was on ITM only strengthens the argument that Christine wasn't as upset about the band's personnel choices as she was just sick of touring. Stevie and Lindsey shouldn't flatter themselves so much, and Mick and John should have known better

Well, I don't think people feel she disliked Billy or Rick.

Michele

iamnotafraid

03-23-2014, 12:57 AM

This members of this band revise and re-revise their history so much that it's really hard to know who to believe (and I'm sure everyone had a different opinion), but in order of believability for me it kinda goes like this:

1) John/Christine
2) Lindsey
3) Mick
4) Stevie

That made me laugh.

I believe on most peoples list of believability
Stevie and Mick would be at the bottom.

HomerMcvie

03-24-2014, 02:25 AM

That made me laugh.

I believe on most peoples list of believability
Stevie and Mick would be at the bottom.
They're both drama queens, and live in a fantasy world.

elle

03-29-2014, 04:54 PM

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i399/ellellew/Slide11_zps838f303a.jpg (http://s1091.photobucket.com/user/ellellew/media/Slide11_zps838f303a.jpg.html)

jbrownsjr

03-29-2014, 07:01 PM

The new term is BuckVie's.

the BuckVie's are making the shippers mad right now!!!

michelej1

03-29-2014, 07:50 PM

Now, we'll have to wait and see where Lindsey spends Stand Back. Will he be making audience contact or will he be perched next to Christine?

Won't it be wonderful to have Christine on the floor again for Tusk?

I don't like World Turning that much, but Mick needs a drum solo and I guess it will be nice to have Christine singing her half of that.

She'll probably sing on I'm So Afraid again too.

Michele

SteveMacD

03-29-2014, 08:34 PM

Well, I don't think people feel she disliked Billy or Rick.
By all accounts, she got on well with them, and she's pals with Billy. I was just saying Lindsey and Stevie being gone didn't affect her decision to hang it up (if anything, Christine's decision affected Stevie's decision to quit). That decision had already been made independently of personnel changes. There was an opportunity in 1997 to go out on top, and she chose that, giving us a real gift.

Luckily for us, she decided that retirement sucks.

sodascouts

03-30-2014, 12:58 PM

The new term is BuckVie's.

the BuckVie's are making the shippers mad right now!!!

"BuckVie" doesn't really roll off the tongue, with its two stressed syllables. Perhaps McBucks?

Although I've always found the desire in fandoms to combine derivatives of couples' names to be bizarre. When did that start? With "Brangelina"?

BLY

03-30-2014, 01:29 PM

She'll probably sing on I'm So Afraid again too.

Michele[/QUOTE]

I doubt it. Christine probably only sang on this because Stevie was off stage for an outfit change. Stevie sang on the studio track and it sounds much better with her backing up Lindsey.

michelej1

03-30-2014, 03:36 PM

Stevie will probably be offstage again for an outfit change.

Michele

jbrownsjr

03-30-2014, 06:31 PM

She'll probably sing on I'm So Afraid again too.

Michele

I doubt it. Christine probably only sang on this because Stevie was off stage for an outfit change. Stevie sang on the studio track and it sounds much better with her backing up Lindsey.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't disagree more. I hate Stevie anywhere near this tune. I love Christine's falsetto like backing vocals, aka Mirage tour. Stevie is too nasal for this.

michelej1

03-30-2014, 07:43 PM

I couldn't disagree more. I hate Stevie anywhere near this tune. I love Christine's falsetto like backing vocals, aka Mirage tour. Stevie is too nasal for this.

And even when it was less of a falsetto on the Dance tour, Christine still sounded great on the song.

Michele

jbrownsjr

03-30-2014, 09:12 PM

And even when it was less of a falsetto on the Dance tour, Christine still sounded great on the song.

Michele

Her organ and vocals really give Lindsey a great wall of sound to work with.

CADreaming

03-30-2014, 09:15 PM

https://24.media.tumblr.com/5f9c0eddc7fd948d724ffaffb65fd67b/tumblr_mp35v3mgEE1qck5fxo3_250.gif

;)

jbrownsjr

03-30-2014, 09:25 PM

https://24.media.tumblr.com/5f9c0eddc7fd948d724ffaffb65fd67b/tumblr_mp35v3mgEE1qck5fxo3_250.gif

;)

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

nicole21290

03-30-2014, 11:58 PM

https://24.media.tumblr.com/5f9c0eddc7fd948d724ffaffb65fd67b/tumblr_mp35v3mgEE1qck5fxo3_250.gif

;)

Lindsey concurs...

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CADreaming

03-31-2014, 07:37 PM

Lindsey concurs...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/9Ew7oAD6hp4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

goldenground

03-31-2014, 09:17 PM

But then again...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/e81d1077d13238170e6aeac3c225310a/tumblr_n348xnvniE1rkzkczo1_500.jpg

Sorry, I couldn't resist :laugh:

jbrownsjr

03-31-2014, 09:29 PM

But then again...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/e81d1077d13238170e6aeac3c225310a/tumblr_n348xnvniE1rkzkczo1_500.jpg

Sorry, I couldn't resist :laugh:

They both pushed Stevie's head down!! :blob2::blob2::blob2::blob2:

goldenground

03-31-2014, 09:32 PM

They both pushed Stevie's head down!! :blob2::blob2::blob2::blob2:

Gotta love this band ;)

jbrownsjr

03-31-2014, 09:34 PM

Gotta love this band ;)

You gotta be Mystified by Christine and Lindsey! Which they co-wrote btw. ;)

brickney723

03-31-2014, 09:50 PM

You gotta be Mystified by Christine and Lindsey! Which they co-wrote btw. ;)

I know.. those lyrics… they were obviously both in love with Stevie.

Cammie

03-31-2014, 10:09 PM

and Lindseuy[QUOTE=brickney723;1124316]I know.. those lyrics… they were obviously both in love with Stevie.[/QU

:xoxo: Don't you wish !!!! :xoxo:

jbrownsjr

03-31-2014, 10:44 PM

I know.. those lyrics… they were obviously both in love with Stevie.

touche!:p:p

bethelblues

04-01-2014, 09:03 AM

I totally forget from last year...but what was Stevie responding to when she said "Not gonna happen"? Did that have something to do with Sisters of the Moon?

SadAngel86

04-01-2014, 10:33 AM

I totally forget from last year...but what was Stevie responding to when she said "Not gonna happen"? Did that have something to do with Sisters of the Moon?

She was responding to a fan who had screamed at Lindsey about wanting his guitar and also basically wanting to sleep with him ("No, I want you! I want you!) He walked offstage when Stevie was saying "not gonna happen."

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bethelblues

04-01-2014, 10:42 AM

Thanks for the link! Was that the same concert when someone stole his guitar?

jbrownsjr

04-01-2014, 11:14 AM

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i399/ellellew/Slide11_zps838f303a.jpg (http://s1091.photobucket.com/user/ellellew/media/Slide11_zps838f303a.jpg.html)

I see some recording equip. behind that piano!

buckingyourhips

04-02-2014, 10:08 PM

I always see this gif bouncing around tumblr. Makes me want to ship them they're cute.
http://intelligentle.tumblr.com/post/55198123271

jbrownsjr

04-02-2014, 10:25 PM

I always see this gif bouncing around tumblr. Makes me want to ship them they're cute.
http://intelligentle.tumblr.com/post/55198123271

priceless!!!

CADreaming

04-03-2014, 02:31 PM

I always see this gif bouncing around tumblr. Makes me want to ship them they're cute.
http://intelligentle.tumblr.com/post/55198123271

http://24.media.tumblr.com/93156304399e2f7eab1b43650edab606/tumblr_mpu3rrdn971sv5c8zo1_250.gif

;)

jbrownsjr

04-03-2014, 03:01 PM

http://24.media.tumblr.com/93156304399e2f7eab1b43650edab606/tumblr_mpu3rrdn971sv5c8zo1_250.gif

;)

It already did! Gonna happen again, too! :p

goldenground

04-10-2014, 04:27 AM

It already did! Gonna happen again, too! :p

And this already happened :laugh:

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jbrownsjr

04-10-2014, 08:08 AM

And this already happened :laugh:

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priceless!!!!!!!!!!!

SadAngel86

04-10-2014, 10:25 AM

I always see this gif bouncing around tumblr. Makes me want to ship them they're cute.
http://intelligentle.tumblr.com/post/55198123271

Ha! That's my Tumblr and my gif!:D

SadAngel86

04-10-2014, 10:26 AM

Thanks for the link! Was that the same concert when someone stole his guitar?

Yes, it was.

michelej1

04-10-2014, 12:42 PM

The idea that Mick preens in the mirror ...

Michele

StreetAngel86

05-29-2016, 12:33 AM

macpai

05-29-2016, 10:47 AM

HomerMcvie

05-29-2016, 12:29 PM

Christine is FAR too strong of a woman for him. He wants a yes girl.

michelej1

05-29-2016, 09:09 PM

Christine is FAR too strong of a woman for him. He wants a yes girl.

Except for CAH (perhaps), the people he's been associated with aren't yes women. Of everything people say about Kristen, it's not that she does everything Lindsey says.

Michele

jbrownsjr

05-29-2016, 11:44 PM

This is from way back in the day, but I remember around the time of "Mirage" some DJ saying Lindsey and Christine were dating. At the time, I was all "Stevie and Lindsey" are soulmates, so it didn't sit very well with me. I got over that, of course.

The way their voices and their instruments play off each other is truly dazzling, it's like two sides of the same coin.

When you look at Fleetwood Mac as a band and not B/N with extra players.. as some people do.. It's a truly fascinating experience. I've never had that B/N tunnel vision because I started with Heroes are Hard To Find. Having said that. The B/N or B/CM dynamics are incredible. Even the Bob Welch/CMcVie dynamics fascinate me. Fleetwood Mac is a magical band.

Macfan4life

05-30-2016, 05:10 AM

When you look at Fleetwood Mac as a band and not B/N with extra players.. as some people do.. It's a truly fascinating experience. I've never had that B/N tunnel vision because I started with Heroes are Hard To Find. Having said that. The B/N or B/CM dynamics are incredible. Even the Bob Welch/CMcVie dynamics fascinate me. Fleetwood Mac is a magical band.
Bob Welch was such a pivotal member of Fleetwood Mac. Christine had a singing partner. The band changed dramatically with Bob. One of the few things I enjoyed with Mick's latest book is how much he praised Bob for being a profound influence on the band.

As far as Lindsey and Christine. I think they have tremendous professional respect for each other. They compliment each other musically. I think they like singing together too. The way they play around each other is really amazing. Each are the most professional people in rock n roll. Each would never put out a dud song or something they did not like. I see them as the book ends for the band. They are on the opposite side of the stage but are the ones that keep the band together with fantastic writing and performing.

jbrownsjr

05-30-2016, 10:53 AM

Bob Welch was such a pivotal member of Fleetwood Mac. Christine had a singing partner. The band changed dramatically with Bob. One of the few things I enjoyed with Mick's latest book is how much he praised Bob for being a profound influence on the band.

As far as Lindsey and Christine. I think they have tremendous professional respect for each other. They compliment each other musically. I think they like singing together too. The way they play around each other is really amazing. Each are the most professional people in rock n roll. Each would never put out a dud song or something they did not like. I see them as the book ends for the band. They are on the opposite side of the stage but are the ones that keep the band together with fantastic writing and performing.

Such a good way to put it. I think both Lindsey and Christine make each other better. B/N make each other better when they really work together. Tusk was a great example. I really hope we get to see some really good B/N work on this new album. No more SYW mailing it in...

Macfan4life

05-30-2016, 03:52 PM

Such a good way to put it. I think both Lindsey and Christine make each other better. B/N make each other better when they really work together. Tusk was a great example. I really hope we get to see some really good B/N work on this new album. No more SYW mailing it in...
I forget the exact words that Mick used but Bob Welch was the foundation for Stevie and Lindsey down the road. Because of Bob it made it easier for Stevie and Lindsey to join. Chris was already used to working with another lead singer and harmonizing together. In addition Bob took the band in a new direction. He was definitely the launching pad for the arrival of Stevie and Lindsey. It would have been a huge leap for Stevie and Lindsey in the band if Bob had never joined. Who knows, it may have never worked. In addition no Bob Welch = no Stevie and Lindsey. The timing was perfect. If Bob had not joined, he would not have quit the time Stevie and Lindsey were frustrated with their first album release. It was written in the stars for all 3 of these key members to join.

FuzzyPlum

05-30-2016, 04:05 PM

aleuzzi

05-30-2016, 04:39 PM

An 'If only...' scenario;
It's 1975 and Bob Welch is offered the opportunity to rejoin Fleetwood Mac.
MF: 'We'd like to fill out our sound with a second guitarist. Would you come back Bob?'
A 6 piece band with Bob onboard would have been something else.

Honestly, I don't think so. I love those Bob Welch-era albums, too. Uneven though they often are, each features some of the band's best music. But he would not have done well to continue on with FM. Part of the magic of the Rumours lineup is the undeniably explosive chemistry between those five people on one stage. Any attempts at altering/adjusting that chemistry to include someone else would not and have not succeeded. Rumours would not have been Rumours with Welch on board. There's no way around that truth.

That doesn't mean that I wouldn't lie, cheat, and steal for a Welch-Buckingham-McVie record, or one where Stevie and Bob sing together on every song.

aleuzzi

05-30-2016, 04:43 PM

Macfan4life

05-30-2016, 04:56 PM

I agree with all of this but one thing: I do think SYW was successful. While not flawless, especially in the absence of Christine, it does feature some powerful collaborations, especially on Stevie's songs. But even Stevie's one or two-day vocal contributions to LB's songs are excellent.
I agree with you. I don't understand how some think SYW is a bad album. Its so creative and I am a HUGE Christine fan. Yes the album would have been much better with her but Stevie and Lindsey really help out each other on most of the songs. I think its some of Fleetwood Mac's best work. Its intricate which is something the Mac lacked since Tusk. So many creative layers on many songs. I really appreciate this album. I was not blown away at first but learned to discover the album's cleverness. Thank goodness they did not do an empty pop album and put work into it. Its not Tango, its not a Lindsey solo album and is great Fleetwood Mac music.

Whats the world coming to - love hearing Stevie back Lindsey - just a great song to open an album

Illume - pure Buckingham genius. Its raw, unconventional, emotional, hypnotic angry -fits the lyrics perfectly. How do you capture the feelings of 9/11 happening real time. Surely not a pop song or catchy chorus. Lindsey should be given a Grammy just for this song alone. Stevie's line about 9/11 hit home for me "its like a river, its never ending" For me, that describes the events of 9/11 perfectly. It was not just one big bang and one tragedy. It was one tragedy after another....all day. It was just like a river.. it was never ending. The story of Stevie in her hotel is riveting in the verse " I'm alone now, with my thoughts, how we could make it, how we could get out, what we've been through, all of the trauma, the smell of Nag Champra (what Stevie was burning in the hotel under the doors to keep the smell of death out), shadow of a stranger (Osama Bin Laden). Stevie is such a pure poet that sometimes it can be challenging to put her poetic lyrics to music. Lindsey hit the nail on the head with this one.

Thrown Down - amazing

Say you will - all about Christine and the Dance tour - begging her to Dance (tour)

Smile at You - incredible

Running Through the Garden - just wow, Lindsey made this song so good

Everybody Finds Out - probably in the top 15 of my all time favorite Mac songs (all eras)
Listen to this song with headphones on. Its a pure orchestra of greatness

Destiney Rules - so good!

Bleed to love her - love it

FuzzyPlum

05-30-2016, 05:22 PM

Honestly, I don't think so. I love those Bob Welch-era albums, too. Uneven though they often are, each features some of the band's best music. But he would not have done well to continue on with FM. Part of the magic of the Rumours lineup is the undeniably explosive chemistry between those five people on one stage. Any attempts at altering/adjusting that chemistry to include someone else would not and have not succeeded. Rumours would not have been Rumours with Welch on board. There's no way around that truth.

That doesn't mean that I wouldn't lie, cheat, and steal for a Welch-Buckingham-McVie record, or one where Stevie and Bob sing together on every song.

Oh, don't get me wrong... I love Rumours as is and it wouldn't have happened any other way. It doesn't hurt to still wonder what it would be like if Bob was in the mix though. Perhaps the question shouldn't be 1975 but 1980. I just think the potential dynamic with Bob/Stevie is so intriguing. Obviously Chris/Bob is great but Chris/Bob/Stevie/Lindsey vocals....wow. I cant imagine Lindsey ever wanting to share the band with another prominent male though.

Bob stayed so close with the band for the following years after his leaving. I wonder if he ever ended up on any studio recordings with them.