favorite live album?

[elle]

favorite solo album - a year later?

there was a poll for your favorite solo album of LB's that was conducted (and closed now, otherwise i'd bump it!) for like 5 days after the album came out.

someone noted that now that SWS has simmered for a while, might be the time to re-evaluate and re-poll (although it seems OOTC always wins by a wide margin).

maybe i can throw in his live albums to change it up a bit? or i guess a separate poll for live albums?

so:

Law and Order
Go Insane
OOTC
UTS
GOS
SWS

Soundstage (i know it's only a DVD but i'll count it as live album)
Bass Performance Hall
Songs from the Small Machine
One Man Show

which is it? live or studio?

this first poll will be for live albums. which is your favorite of the 4 live releases LB had?

[redtulip]

No contest, hands down One Man Show. Perfection. :nod:

[elle]

No contest, hands down One Man Show. Perfection. :nod:

:xoxo:

i can't quite decide between Small Machine and One Man Show... although on another board i voted for One Man Show. depends on the day for me.

[redtulip]

:xoxo:

i can't quite decide between Small Machine and One Man Show... although on another board i voted for One Man Show. depends on the day for me.

It's the only one I've seen live so it's partially a sentimental favorite. I think if had been to a Small Machine show it would be a tougher choice. But OMS was beautiful, amazing, and brilliant. Really made me appreciate a lot of the songs much more than I ever did in their studio versions.

[michelej1]

This list makes it depressing that we never got the GOS tour documented.
Even OOTC was recorded, although it was cut down for television.

Michele

[elle]

This list makes it depressing that we never got the GOS tour documented.
Even OOTC was recorded, although it was cut down for television.

Michele

was there ever official Center Stage DVD release? i'd love to have that, but i only have a really bad bootleg recording off the tv i'm guessing. youtube videos from that tour are much better quality.

[Lindsfan]

This list makes it depressing that we never got the GOS tour documented.
Even OOTC was recorded, although it was cut down for television.

Michele

Yep :distress: That definitely needs to be brought up if he does M&Gs again when he resumes OMS in 2014.

[Lindsfan]

#4 BASS HALL

CAD is great, though even better on OMS!
I LOVE - It Was You
SUD is also great, though I like it WAY better the way he plays it on OMS Tour...faster, louder, more aggressive!
IKINW is okay.

The rest of it does nothing for me. Zzzzz.


#3 SOUNDSTAGE

Kind of a mixed bag for me...

LIKE - Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind
LOVE -Trouble
LOVE - Big Love
LOVE - Go Insane

Two songs I absolutely love, but not here:
Down On Rodeo
Peacekeeper

LOVE - Red Rover
LIKE - Never Going Back Again (better on LIB)
LIKE - Say Goodbye
LOVE - Murrow Turning Over in his Grave
DON"T LIKE - Go Your Own Way
LIKE - I Am Waiting

#2 OMS It would be perfect if you could hear an audience, though I understand why there isn't since it was recorded by Lindsey and a couple of his guys. His performance is beautiful, though <3 Really, really great, and it means so much to have an official recording from this tour. :xoxo:
Problem for me is on a live CD I like to hear the audience the way it actually sounded, so it feels like you're there. I miss the audience on this. That's my only complaint. Also, Stephanie and SUD are way better on the Fort Worth bootleg ( and of course, you can hear the crowd loud and clear too), but we're not counting bootlegs, so...

#1 SMALL MACHINE

Like redtulip with OMS, I'm partial to this one since I was there, and it was my first time seeing Lindsey live, solo. Plus it has songs from my favorite album, SWS :nod:

I skip Trouble and NGBA because they're both waaaayyyy to slow on that tour, but everything else is sublime. High energy all the way! In particular, UTS with three acoustic guitars was so cool :cool: IOOT, TTWTLG, POI, NGBA, and GYOW all are kick ass :blob2: ISA is stellar :blob1: SWS is so, SO beautiful :angel: Just an amazing live album.

[michelej1]

was there ever official Center Stage DVD release? i'd love to have that, but i only have a really bad bootleg recording off the tv i'm guessing. youtube videos from that tour are much better quality.

Only Don't Look Down was officially released in one of those "best of" VH-1, VHS tapes.

The rest I only have taped from the tv too.

Michele

[mylittledemon]

Soundstage for me. I think the DVD could've been more well-rounded if Buckingham had done another 2-3 songs (So Afraid for starters). I just like the ambiance of the show more than the others.

[McTrouble]

No contest, hands down One Man Show. Perfection. :nod:

redtulip said it all!

OMS is just sublime :nod:

Love the other 3 options as well though!

[McTrouble]

It's the only one I've seen live so it's partially a sentimental favorite. I think if had been to a Small Machine show it would be a tougher choice. But OMS was beautiful, amazing, and brilliant. Really made me appreciate a lot of the songs much more than I ever did in their studio versions.

And THIS! :xoxo:

[McTrouble]

Yep :distress: That definitely needs to be brought up if he does M&Gs again when he resumes OMS in 2014.

Yes! "when" he resumes OMS in 2014!!!! :]

[McTrouble]

#4 BASS HALL

CAD is great, though even better on OMS!
I LOVE - It Was You
SUD is also great, though I like it WAY better the way he plays it on OMS Tour...faster, louder, more aggressive!
IKINW is okay.

The rest of it does nothing for me. Zzzzz.


#3 SOUNDSTAGE

Kind of a mixed bag for me...

LIKE - Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind
LOVE -Trouble
LOVE - Big Love
LOVE - Go Insane

Two songs I absolutely love, but not here:
Down On Rodeo
Peacekeeper

LOVE - Red Rover
LIKE - Never Going Back Again (better on LIB)
LIKE - Say Goodbye
LOVE - Murrow Turning Over in his Grave
DON"T LIKE - Go Your Own Way
LIKE - I Am Waiting

#2 OMS It would be perfect if you could hear an audience, though I understand why there isn't since it was recorded by Lindsey and a couple of his guys. His performance is beautiful, though <3 Really, really great, and it means so much to have an official recording from this tour. :xoxo:
Problem for me is on a live CD I like to hear the audience the way it actually sounded, so it feels like you're there. I miss the audience on this. That's my only complaint. Also, Stephanie and SUD are way better on the Fort Worth bootleg ( and of course, you can hear the crowd loud and clear too), but we're not counting bootlegs, so...

#1 SMALL MACHINE

Like redtulip with OMS, I'm partial to this one since I was there, and it was my first time seeing Lindsey live, solo. Plus it has songs from my favorite album, SWS :nod:

I skip Trouble and NGBA because they're both waaaayyyy to slow on that tour, but everything else is sublime. High energy all the way! In particular, UTS with three acoustic guitars was so cool :cool: IOOT, TTWTLG, POI, NGBA, and GYOW all are kick ass :blob2: ISA is stellar :blob1: SWS is so, SO beautiful :angel: Just an amazing live album.

The OMS version of ISA blows my mind! I got goosebumps all 21 times I was there!!!!

[elle]

wow, lots of love for Soundstage! :cool:

see, to me Soundstage is one of those recordings that could have been stellar, but is not.

the look and the setting is beautiful. also this being an album with the highest concentration of the songs from aborted GOS1, several of them unreleased at the point when Soundstage was recorded, makes me want to love it.

but that's why it is actually disappointing to me - because all those songs that i just LOVE are kinda done boringly on Soundstage - Rodeo and SYHA are completely ruined, Red Rover is good but not great, only BL, Go Insane, NGBA are great (neither of them are from GOS1). it feels like missed opportunity to me, every time i listen to it.

Murrow is the only spectacular one, much better than the SYW album version, and the whole disc is worth it just for that. (also if you are a SG live worshiper which many here apparently are :p )

on the other hand, if i just watch it - well. LB in one of his most beautiful phases (Soundstage plus LiB!), so for the eye candy aspect yeah. but that's not what we are weighing here, we are talking about the sound of his various live releases.

oh Peacekeeper is horrible too, he should have done that fast original version instead. and the only time i liked I Am Waiting was at 92Y.

[elle]

#4 BASS HALL

CAD is great, though even better on OMS!
I LOVE - It Was You
SUD is also great, though I like it WAY better the way he plays it on OMS Tour...faster, louder, more aggressive!
IKINW is okay.

The rest of it does nothing for me. Zzzzz.


#3 SOUNDSTAGE

Kind of a mixed bag for me...

LIKE - Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind
LOVE -Trouble
LOVE - Big Love
LOVE - Go Insane

Two songs I absolutely love, but not here:
Down On Rodeo
Peacekeeper

LOVE - Red Rover
LIKE - Never Going Back Again (better on LIB)
LIKE - Say Goodbye
LOVE - Murrow Turning Over in his Grave
DON"T LIKE - Go Your Own Way
LIKE - I Am Waiting

#2 OMS It would be perfect if you could hear an audience, though I understand why there isn't since it was recorded by Lindsey and a couple of his guys. His performance is beautiful, though <3 Really, really great, and it means so much to have an official recording from this tour. :xoxo:
Problem for me is on a live CD I like to hear the audience the way it actually sounded, so it feels like you're there. I miss the audience on this. That's my only complaint. Also, Stephanie and SUD are way better on the Fort Worth bootleg ( and of course, you can hear the crowd loud and clear too), but we're not counting bootlegs, so...

#1 SMALL MACHINE

Like redtulip with OMS, I'm partial to this one since I was there, and it was my first time seeing Lindsey live, solo. Plus it has songs from my favorite album, SWS :nod:

I skip Trouble and NGBA because they're both waaaayyyy to slow on that tour, but everything else is sublime. High energy all the way! In particular, UTS with three acoustic guitars was so cool :cool: IOOT, TTWTLG, POI, NGBA, and GYOW all are kick ass :blob2: ISA is stellar :blob1: SWS is so, SO beautiful :angel: Just an amazing live album.

great analysis!

for me, Bass and Soundstage share spots #3 and #4.

Small Machine beats the Soundstage and Bass hands down - performance is much livelier and the selection of songs is great. SWS songs on it are spectacular and SHN and Tusk versions are much much better than any recent versions of those 2 songs, whether mac or solo.

but i have a special love for OMS. songs he did alone on Small Machine are not nearly as good as on OMS. and So Afraid on OMS is to die for - like it was during every actual show i saw (and as Viv also said above!).

so it's between Small Machine and OMS for me. of course, too bad that Small Machine CD doesn't have Turn It On, and that OMS doesn't have Rodeo and RAB.

[Lindsfan]

Soundstage for me. I think the DVD could've been more well-rounded if Buckingham had done another 2-3 songs (So Afraid for starters). I just like the ambiance of the show more than the others.

If we were talking DVD instead of audio I'd completely agree with you (Small Machine I love the audio, but not the video so much). The audience is totally into Lindsey, and he's all over the board, emotionally, throughout. It really makes me wish I had been there.


but that's why it is actually disappointing to me - because all those songs that i just LOVE are kinda done boringly on Soundstage - Rodeo and SYHA are completely ruined, Red Rover is good but not great, only BL, Go Insane, NGBA are great (neither of them are from GOS1). it feels like missed opportunity to me, every time i listen to it.

on the other hand, if i just watch it - well. LB in one of his most beautiful phases (Soundstage plus LiB!), so for the eye candy aspect yeah.

I forgot all about SYHA :shocked:I knew that list looked short...anyways, definitely a "love" for me. I agree with you re. Rodeo, but SYHA and, especially, Red Rover are really good on Soundstage.


Um, beautiful is an understatement ;) He's extremely easy on the eyes...okay, he's hot :xoxo: No argumant there!

[CADreaming]

The Soundstage version is my favorite. Stevie's there and those harmonies... 1000% makes it extra special - especially the Frozen Love nod.

Plus, DOR. Probably my fav version.

I think he was at a peak during this time. My second choice would be Live at Bass Performance Hall.

Overall, I've been disappointed with the OMS recording with the exception of having live version of "Stephanie" for the first time.

[KindOfWoman90]

I picked Small Machine - Shut Us Down and So Afraid are absolutely amazing on this one!

That's such a hard decision though, especially because I cherish the OMS album so much since it was my first time seeing him live, solo :xoxo:

[KindOfWoman90]

Um, beautiful is an understatement ;) He's extremely easy on the eyes...okay, he's hot :xoxo: No argumant there!

I swear, whether he can actually see into the audience at times, when you think he's looking right at you, it's like he's looking into my soul! It's unnerving in the best way possible ;) I had a moment like that when he was singing Come - honest, I looked away for a second, he's so intense!

[michelej1]

I swear, whether he can actually see into the audience at times, when you think he's looking right at you, it's like he's looking into my soul! It's unnerving in the best way possible ;) I had a moment like that when he was singing Come - honest, I looked away for a second, he's so intense!

That's so funny, because I do look away sometimes too and it's silly because cerebrally I know he can't see my eyes, but it feels like eye contact and it makes me feel a little weird.

That reminds me of one time my mother told me when she is playing Wheel of Fortune on the computer and she know the answer she tries not to look at the other contestants (computer generated people), because she doesn't want them go guess what she's thinking.

Michele

[KindOfWoman90]

That's so funny, because I do look away sometimes too and it's silly because cerebrally I know he can't see my eyes, but it feels like eye contact and it makes me feel a little weird.

That reminds me of one time my mother told me when she is playing Wheel of Fortune on the computer and she know the answer she tries not to look at the other contestants (computer generated people), because she doesn't want them go guess what she's thinking.

Michele

I'm glad I'm not insane for doing that then, well...heh at least I'm not alone in that feeling :)

Hehe that's adorable about your mom :D Hey, it very well might help her!

[redtulip]

The Soundstage version is my favorite. Stevie's there and those harmonies... 1000% makes it extra special - especially the Frozen Love nod.

Plus, DOR. Probably my fav version.

I think he was at a peak during this time. My second choice would be Live at Bass Performance Hall.

Overall, I've been disappointed with the OMS recording with the exception of having live version of "Stephanie" for the first time.

What about the recording disappointed you?

[CADreaming]

What about the recording disappointed you?

I made myself listen to the entire thing yesterday so I could give you an accurate description for my disappointment.

Here are the basic things that stand out:

His age is more evident in his voice in this recording and sounds thin a lot.

The whoops & hollers from the audience bug me. (And rarely does that bother me in live recordings but it does here.) At one point the track cuts off the hollering abruptly which was jarring. Poor editing on someone's part. Needed to fade out/into next track better.


The backing tracks stand out a little too much making it annoying as heck to listen to. (Particularly strange/distracting are his own harmonies on GYOW. WTH - don't do that! LOL. & the clicking/clapping on ISA. Hate it.


BTLH is a HOT MESS. He is slightly behind himself and it totally ruins this song for me. It's like his fingers are tired and the tone of the melody on the bass strings - it's either slightly out of tune or I don't like the tone of the guitar he is using. Also, his screeching at the end is grating - sounds like he's gonna cough up a loogie. I love this song - both of the other versions and wish he had just left it out of the set now.


SUD, another one of my favorites, felt rushed and detached. It lacked the emotion he gave it during the GOS tour and that was what really drew me into the song. This just felt like he was trying to get it over with.


Missed the "Southern" speech/BN reference. I know this wasn't recorded in the South, but maybe it should have been.

Overall, I miss production or better editing/mixing and it showcases more "flubs" than I want to admit Lindsey has in his playing. It's a little sloppy.


And, to soften the blow I'll list the things I appreciate:


Stephanie live


The new twist on ISA solo


Having the intro to NGBA which is just sweet


One of the best versions of NTL which is not usually one I enjoy


Also, I enjoyed this version of Come probably more than others, the backing track on this actually works nicely, meshes into his live playing better


His delivery of "you know you should never believe what you read" with the little chuckle in NTL. One of his best stage performances.


So, this live recording was an epic fail for me. I much more enjoyed being at the shows I was able to attend in person.

[elle]

^ nice analysis, really interesting to read what different people like and dislike. :nod:

see to me your pros alone would be worth having this recording. :thumbsup:

btw NGBA intro is also available on Small Machine so having that on OMS is not unique. same with availability of different released versions of live SUD.

i love love love this ISA, backing track and all - loved it at every show, loved it at every bootleg, love it on OMS :]. but tastes are different.

i'd much rather he puts out slightly imperfect recordings than having him tinker with stuff for 10 years like he did in the past, so to me choice there is no brainer. remember, he released this basically while on tour, within a month of it being performed and recorded. i love lindsey being fast with his releases and will never ever complain against that. :thumbsup:

i do agree with you about some unnecessary editing - seems that he re-recorded some parts of his spoken intros - there's no audience noise and also people who were at that show tell me that he was saying different stuff than what's on recording. so that's annoying, i'd rather have it with all the audience hollering and screaming (which you would like even less :D).

for me his fuller and mature voice as is now is a plus on his live recordings, but that's up to everybody's taste. i don't think he should stop recording live stuff because someone might not like his current voice ;). but then again i can't stand his thin young voice and some people seem to have loved it (i don't remember whether you do or not, CAD).

what i think is a serious flaw of OMS release is no availability of Rodeo that he also did in Des Moines. i would love to have that (although he probably didn't think it was good enough so that would make you dislike OMS even more! ;) ).

and he should have added RAB recording from one of the shows. i just listened to the Ft Worth bootleg in my car, and i had to put it on once again... it made me cry. especially when i know i won't have a chance to hear it live again for a long long time, if ever.:distress:


can you also analyze Soundstage like this? b/c i almost feel about Soundstage like you do about OMS - while i think on OMS most of his songs and versions are better than they were in the past (see my comparison of acoustic parts of SM vs OMS), i think Soundstage versions (again, see my analysis somewhere above) didn't do justice to most of his great GOS1 songs, and made them sound much worse.

[redtulip]

I made myself listen to the entire thing yesterday so I could give you an accurate description for my disappointment.

I appreciate that you took the time to re-listen to the album.

His age is more evident in his voice in this recording and sounds thin a lot.

I find that his voice has gotten better with age, and I don't really think it sounds much different than it did on Soundstage, which you said was your favorite.


The whoops & hollers from the audience bug me. (And rarely does that bother me in live recordings but it does here.) At one point the track cuts off the hollering abruptly which was jarring. Poor editing on someone's part. Needed to fade out/into next track better.


It is a live album, so you have to expect that you will hear the audience. I do agree there was one point where the audience was cut off abruptly, I think it was the transition to GYOW, but in the grand scheme of the album, I don't find it that big of a deal.


The backing tracks stand out a little too much making it annoying as heck to listen to. (Particularly strange/distracting are his own harmonies on GYOW. WTH - don't do that! LOL. & the clicking/clapping on ISA. Hate it.


I do agree you hear the backing track to GYOW more on the album than you did at the show, but I don't find the backing tracks distracting at all. In fact, the backing track for ISA is one of my favorite parts of the song. I love this version of ISA so much, and this song has never been a favorite of mine. I'm actually dreading it on the upcoming FM tour because I don't think it will ever sound as good with the band as it does on OMS.


BTLH is a HOT MESS. He is slightly behind himself and it totally ruins this song for me. It's like his fingers are tired and the tone of the melody on the bass strings - it's either slightly out of tune or I don't like the tone of the guitar he is using. Also, his screeching at the end is grating - sounds like he's gonna cough up a loogie. I love this song - both of the other versions and wish he had just left it out of the set now.


I can't agree with any of this. The OMS BTLH is head and shoulders above all the other versions to me. I love how it's sped up and I think that his voice really conveys a lot more emotion in the OMS version than it does in any other version. This is easily one of my favorite songs on OMS. I don't hear any screeching or think he sounds out of tune. Being the perfectionist he is, if it was out of tune at all he would have fixed it or not released it.


SUD, another one of my favorites, felt rushed and detached. It lacked the emotion he gave it during the GOS tour and that was what really drew me into the song. This just felt like he was trying to get it over with.


I hear plenty of emotion.


Missed the "Southern" speech/BN reference. I know this wasn't recorded in the South, but maybe it should have been.


I'm not sure why you think the "Southern" speech would/should be included. He only did it at shows in the south, not on the majority of the dates. I think even if he had used one of the shows recorded in the south, he would still have edited this out. This seems like a really random mark against the album and I don't get why it's an issue.

Overall, I miss production or better editing/mixing and it showcases more "flubs" than I want to admit Lindsey has in his playing. It's a little sloppy.


I don't hear these flubs. And I think the sound and production are pretty good, especially when you consider how quickly he was able to put this out.


So, this live recording was an epic fail for me. I much more enjoyed being at the shows I was able to attend in person.

This really doesn't make sense to me because I was at 10 shows, and they all sounded remarkably like the OMS album (but, I was also at the Des Moines show the album was recorded at). Obviously there are some differences between shows, but since they are all very similar, I would think if you enjoyed the live show you would enjoy the live album as well.

[redtulip]

can you also analyze Soundstage like this? b/c i almost feel about Soundstage like you do about OMS - while i think on OMS most of his songs and versions are better than they were in the past (see my comparison of acoustic parts of SM vs OMS), i think Soundstage versions (again, see my analysis somewhere above) didn't do justice to most of his great GOS1 songs, and made them sound much worse.

I would be interested to hear your analysis of Soundstage as well.

[CADreaming]

Some of my opinion of the audio of OMS may be based on desk speakers I am listening through. I'll have to try it in my car or home stereo to see if the sound quality changes.


I can't agree with any of this.

You asked me why I felt it was a disappointment to me and I gave you the details. It's not important enough to me to debate with you on it.

I do want to point out that as a singer and a guitarist, I do hear the flubs and when something is out of tune. There is one song - can't remember which one - where it was so obvious I cringed. And, I think Lindsey has gotten a little more lax in his "perfectionism" in his senior years, especially when it comes to his solo work.

I would be interested to hear your analysis of Soundstage as well.

I don't think it's worth my time just to have you debate every point with me. I appreciate Elle's attempt to converse on it though.

Elle, I would like to throw this out there from your comments -- I think what you call Lindsey's "thin" voice in his younger days is actually his higher register. As a person ages, their voice tends to "thin" in singing. It's inevitable -- it's rare that an older person can maintain a true fullness in their voice in their 60's+. That's not to say that Lindsey isn't able to have moments where his voice is full -- he does. And, I think probably even more now -- my guess is that he has used techniques he picked up from vocal coaching that they didn't really have as much in the old days, much like Stevie has done. But, there are still a lot more instances now (that are just purely due to his age) where his voice gets thin. It's not horrible, I just hear it and when I listen to young Lindsey back to back with now Lindsey -- it's obvious.

[KindOfWoman90]

I actually really like his voice now. I like that it's a bit rougher and definitely deeper. However, I actually think he still sounds more like he did say 10 years ago than Stevie does unfortunately. I'm not saying she doesn't sound good, but it seems like Lindsey has a bit more range than she does as of right now.

[michelej1]

Elle, I would like to throw this out there from your comments -- I think what you call Lindsey's "thin" voice in his younger days is actually his higher register. As a person ages, their voice tends to "thin" in singing. It's inevitable -- it's rare that an older person can maintain a true fullness in their voice in their 60's+. That's not to say that Lindsey isn't able to have moments where his voice is full -- he does. And, I think probably even more now -- my guess is that he has used techniques he picked up from vocal coaching that they didn't really have as much in the old days, much like Stevie has done. But, there are still a lot more instances now (that are just purely due to his age) where his voice gets thin. It's not horrible, I just hear it and when I listen to young Lindsey back to back with now Lindsey -- it's obvious.

I definitely think that Lindsey's younger voice was more flexible, limber and that he could move up and down the scale while still holding the key rather effortlessly. I appreciated the gymnastic talent he had then (just as I appreciated Stevie's vocal athleticism circa Wild Heart) and I did love his higher voice, although I enjoy the way he sounds today and think it such an improvement over the SYW era that I'm thrilled and impressed whenever I hear him and remember back.

Your comments make me wonder how Chris would have been live. Her voice sounded deeper and rich on Meantime, but there were signs of . . .you know how you can hear an old tree bend in the wind . . . well you could sense that in her sound, just a tiny creak, which added emotion to the record, but I wonder how that would stand up on tour.

Lindsey is great on tour because even though he sings (often screams) fearlessly and you think he's going to have to pay for it eventually, he doesn't. I don't know the difference between singing from your diaphragm or singing from your navel, but even though he might be using more disciplined vocal techniques in the old days than he used to, and they pay off endurance wise, I don't sense that they restrain him. Whereas, I do think Stevie restrains herself.

As far as him being less meticulous in his later years, this last year has disappointed me. I'd love to see him tour without a band again, but I hope he ditches both ISA and (sacrilege!) GYOW. I really loved the ISA vocals and actually found them a refreshing take which made me rethink the song's meaning all over again, but musically, after 33 years of live shows, solo and FM, I've never seen the latter, instrumental part of the song fail to peak the way it did this last tour and the same thing with GYOW. With ISA, Lindsey even physically (not just musically) seemed less dynamic to me. So, going forward, if he's alone again, I hope he's not afraid to drop those songs or rework them drastically.

I'm glad to have the OMS. I want every single tour documented and I mourn Gift of Screws, because I think the performance of the title track alone, short as it was, was worth the price of admission to those shows. I want a DVD of that. So, I'm very grateful to have OMS and I'm glad he was on the road anyway, rather than being at home and out of the public eye, but it was my least favorite tour and listening to it reminds me why.

Michele

[CADreaming]

I actually really like his voice now. I like that it's a bit rougher and definitely deeper. However, I actually think he still sounds more like he did say 10 years ago than Stevie does unfortunately. I'm not saying she doesn't sound good, but it seems like Lindsey has a bit more range than she does as of right now.

I wouldn't doubt Lindsey has more of a range than Stevie now -- but not more of a range than he used to have. He's even admitted that - again that's just aging. :)

I definitely think that Lindsey's younger voice was more flexible, limber and that he could move up and down the scale while still holding the key rather effortlessly. I appreciated the gymnastic talent he had then (just as I appreciated Stevie's vocal athleticism circa Wild Heart) and I did love his higher voice, although I enjoy the way he sounds today and think it such an improvement over the SYW era that I'm thrilled and impressed whenever I hear him and remember back.

Your comments make me wonder how Chris would have been live. Her voice sounded deeper and rich on Meantime, but there were signs of . . .you know how you can hear an old tree bend in the wind . . . well you could sense that in her sound, just a tiny creak, which added emotion to the record, but I wonder how that would stand up on tour.

Lindsey is great on tour because even though he sings (often screams) fearlessly and you think he's going to have to pay for it eventually, he doesn't. I don't know the difference between singing from your diaphragm or singing from your navel, but even though he might be using more disciplined vocal techniques in the old days than he used to, and they pay off endurance wise, I don't sense that they restrain him. Whereas, I do think Stevie restrains herself.

I think it's more of a singing from your throat. At least with me, that's what coaches always had to work on getting me not to do. It's hard - especially when you're singing out - but that's when you strain those vocal chords the worst, I believe. Probably that's what happened with Stevie in the younger days - she screamed too much and just stripped 'em. Plus, trying to sing over blaring guitars... it's all your fault Linds! ;)

Wow - I don't think his voice is better than SYW - but I didn't get to see any live shows. I really think he was at his peak - both vocally & musically during the SYW/UTS/GOS years.

Interesting note about Christine. I've wondered if she's still got the chops. Honestly, if she hasn't continued singing at home, she may not have been able to tour recently even if she had wanted to. I hate it that the glory days are over.

As far as him being less meticulous in his later years, this last year has disappointed me. I'd love to see him tour without a band again, but I hope he ditches both ISA and (sacrilege!) GYOW. I really loved the ISA vocals and actually found them a refreshing take which made me rethink the song's meaning all over again, but musically, after 33 years of live shows, solo and FM, I've never seen the latter, instrumental part of the song fail to peak the way it did this last tour and the same thing with GYOW. With ISA, Lindsey even physically (not just musically) seemed less dynamic to me. So, going forward, if he's alone again, I hope he's not afraid to drop those songs or rework them drastically.

You know, I really did enjoy ISA live - even this version with the clicking. It's always been a real showcase piece I think, but there are so many other versions of it that are just stellar, this one fails to represent and it is probably the absence of the full band - I think this one sounds best with FM.

I'm glad to have the OMS. I want every single tour documented and I mourn Gift of Screws, because I think the performance of the title track alone, short as it was, was worth the price of admission to those shows. I want a DVD of that. So, I'm very grateful to have OMS and I'm glad he was on the road anyway, rather than being at home and out of the public eye, but it was my least favorite tour and listening to it reminds me why.

Michele

I'm definitely glad to have OMS for documentation sake and the points I listed earlier. It's just not my favorite. And, I totally agree with you - I hate that GOS was not recorded live - it was the first solo show I saw and I really enjoyed that album and that period of time in his career.

[michelej1]

I think it's more of a singing from your throat.

Yeah, I was kidding about the navel.


I'm definitely glad to have OMS for documentation sake and the points I listed earlier. It's just not my favorite. And, I totally agree with you - I hate that GOS was not recorded live - it was the first solo show I saw and I really enjoyed that album and that period of time in his career.

I think ISA is worlds better with a band, even his solo band, not just FM. I want him to tour without a band going forward, if that is the best thing to do, but I want him to really pick songs that are best suited for that. ISA sounded and GYOW both sounded fine on this tour, but I've seen them performed so much better.

I can't really pick which tour I liked best -- aside from this most recent one being last in my ranking. From a pure setlist perspective, I liked the GOS songs best and I liked the UTS songs least. BUT when the UTS tour happened, I didn't have SWS or GOS to compare it to and I thought the UTS tour was spectacular at the time. Only in retrospect can I say that I liked the next two more. Judging each from the contemporaneous pleasure I got out of them then, then I guess they were equal.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Yeah, I was kidding about the navel.

Duh. :D



I think ISA is worlds better with a band, even his solo band, not just FM. I want him to tour without a band going forward, if that is the best thing to do, but I want him to really pick songs that are best suited for that. ISA sounded and GYOW both sounded fine on this tour, but I've seen them performed so much better.

I can't really pick which tour I liked best -- aside from this most recent one being last in my ranking. From a pure setlist perspective, I liked the GOS songs best and I liked the UTS songs least. BUT when the UTS tour happened, I didn't have SWS or GOS to compare it to and I thought the UTS tour was spectacular at the time. Only in retrospect can I say that I liked the next two more. Judging each from the contemporaneous pleasure I got out of them then, then I guess they were equal.

Michele

I think as much as I loved certain aspects about the tour, when we first heard rumblings about it, we thought it would be all-acoustic and that he would be giving us new arrangements of the rockers, translating them acoustically. I think that would have not only worked better in the OMS setting, but I also think it was part of the let-down for me.

[elle]

I'd love to see him tour without a band again, but I hope he ditches both ISA and (sacrilege!) GYOW. I really loved the ISA vocals and actually found them a refreshing take which made me rethink the song's meaning all over again, but musically, after 33 years of live shows, solo and FM, I've never seen the latter, instrumental part of the song fail to peak the way it did this last tour and the same thing with GYOW. With ISA, Lindsey even physically (not just musically) seemed less dynamic to me. So, going forward, if he's alone again, I hope he's not afraid to drop those songs or rework them drastically.

this analysis of his peaking and movement on stage and how same songs sound or feel physically and your later post about different tours just gave me great idea for [yet] another poll - comparison of various solo tours and picking the favorite. :D

while i can't decide between Small Machine and OMS release, i can easily decide which tour of the 2 i saw i liked better.

re movement on the stage and how that affected songs, while ISA i thought was spectacular during OMS tour every single time, GYOW was completely hit or miss, depending on LB's movement and audience participation (i'm talking about the last 3 legs, b/c during the first leg seemed like he was still getting used to be alone up there so he was not moving from side to side of the stage for audience participation like he did during later 3 tour legs).

[McTrouble]

Some of my opinion of the audio of OMS may be based on desk speakers I am listening through. I'll have to try it in my car or home stereo to see if the sound quality changes.



You asked me why I felt it was a disappointment to me and I gave you the details. It's not important enough to me to debate with you on it.

I do want to point out that as a singer and a guitarist, I do hear the flubs and when something is out of tune. There is one song - can't remember which one - where it was so obvious I cringed. And, I think Lindsey has gotten a little more lax in his "perfectionism" in his senior years, especially when it comes to his solo work.



I don't think it's worth my time just to have you debate every point with me. I appreciate Elle's attempt to converse on it though.

Elle, I would like to throw this out there from your comments -- I think what you call Lindsey's "thin" voice in his younger days is actually his higher register. As a person ages, their voice tends to "thin" in singing. It's inevitable -- it's rare that an older person can maintain a true fullness in their voice in their 60's+. That's not to say that Lindsey isn't able to have moments where his voice is full -- he does. And, I think probably even more now -- my guess is that he has used techniques he picked up from vocal coaching that they didn't really have as much in the old days, much like Stevie has done. But, there are still a lot more instances now (that are just purely due to his age) where his voice gets thin. It's not horrible, I just hear it and when I listen to young Lindsey back to back with now Lindsey -- it's obvious.

I think he is still a perfectionist - however, this might not appear as obvious because he is happy, relaxed, letting himself go and having fun, and generally having a blast without any stress or irritation to contend with! ;):D

[McTrouble]

I definitely think that Lindsey's younger voice was more flexible, limber and that he could move up and down the scale while still holding the key rather effortlessly. I appreciated the gymnastic talent he had then (just as I appreciated Stevie's vocal athleticism circa Wild Heart) and I did love his higher voice, although I enjoy the way he sounds today and think it such an improvement over the SYW era that I'm thrilled and impressed whenever I hear him and remember back.

Your comments make me wonder how Chris would have been live. Her voice sounded deeper and rich on Meantime, but there were signs of . . .you know how you can hear an old tree bend in the wind . . . well you could sense that in her sound, just a tiny creak, which added emotion to the record, but I wonder how that would stand up on tour.

Lindsey is great on tour because even though he sings (often screams) fearlessly and you think he's going to have to pay for it eventually, he doesn't. I don't know the difference between singing from your diaphragm or singing from your navel, but even though he might be using more disciplined vocal techniques in the old days than he used to, and they pay off endurance wise, I don't sense that they restrain him. Whereas, I do think Stevie restrains herself.

As far as him being less meticulous in his later years, this last year has disappointed me. I'd love to see him tour without a band again, but I hope he ditches both ISA and (sacrilege!) GYOW. I really loved the ISA vocals and actually found them a refreshing take which made me rethink the song's meaning all over again, but musically, after 33 years of live shows, solo and FM, I've never seen the latter, instrumental part of the song fail to peak the way it did this last tour and the same thing with GYOW. With ISA, Lindsey even physically (not just musically) seemed less dynamic to me. So, going forward, if he's alone again, I hope he's not afraid to drop those songs or rework them drastically.

I'm glad to have the OMS. I want every single tour documented and I mourn Gift of Screws, because I think the performance of the title track alone, short as it was, was worth the price of admission to those shows. I want a DVD of that. So, I'm very grateful to have OMS and I'm glad he was on the road anyway, rather than being at home and out of the public eye, but it was my least favorite tour and listening to it reminds me why.

Michele

He better not drop or rework ISA - this OMS version was best EVER! :nod::D:D

[elle]

I'm definitely glad to have OMS for documentation sake and the points I listed earlier.

he should have recorded every show and released it after to the people who were at that show like several bands have been doing. that would solve people having regrets of not having versions, speeches and requests from the shows they were at (like your regretting about not having southern love speech).

[WildHearted]

he should have recorded every show and released it after to the people who were at that show like several bands have been doing. that would solve people having regrets of not having versions, speeches and requests from the shows they were at (like your regretting about not having southern love speech).

I recorded the southern love speech from Atlanta 2012 if that's the one... I thought someone else had put it up though. If not I can dig it up and share.

[elle]

I think he is still a perfectionist - however, this might not appear as obvious because he is happy, relaxed, letting himself go and having fun, and generally having a blast without any stress or irritation to contend with! ;):D
does seem so, doesn't it? i was thinking of that while reading that interview from 2003 that Michele posted about him saying how he's living much more normal and relaxed life now, and actually making friends instead of just having girlfriends - or something like that. it was a bizarre statement to make, and i'm not sure what he really meant by it.

[elle]

I recorded the southern love speech from Atlanta 2012 if that's the one... I thought someone else had put it up though. If not I can dig it up and share.
someone did put it up because i remember hearing a version of it but it was not from Atlanta i think. please do share! :thumbsup:

[michelej1]

He better not drop or rework ISA - this OMS version was best EVER! :nod::D:D

Of the two, I know he's not going to drop GYOW. So, my hopes stay pinned on ISA.

He says he looked over when they played for Clinton and Clinton was singing the words to ISA and LB was surprised since it was never released as a single, so that probably convinced him that it should never ever be dropped from any setlist of his for the rest of his life, but I can dream.

No, I love it with a band. I do think it's a show highlight.

Michele

[michelej1]

GYOW was completely hit or miss, depending on LB's movement and audience participation

With audience participation, I sometimes wonder chicken/egg. Those nights when he keeps his eyes closed most of the time, why do you think he does it? Do you think it's just the mood he is in then?

You could say he might do it because the audience is lackluster. I understand that. If they are dead during the first 4 or 5 songs, then it would be natural for him to go inside himself a little, but really he sometimes does that during the early songs. When this happens, it actually sets the pace and makes the audience more subdued. They follow his vibe. It's contagious. I wonder if sometimes maybe if it's the venue. If he doesn't like the venue, does he close his eyes more to transport himself to another place mentally?

Obviously, an event like the This is 40 Roxy thing is different, because most people weren't there to see him and he wasn't playing a full set for that, so maybe he closed his eyes more to concentrate better. But I wonder.

Michele

[McTrouble]

Of the two, I know he's not going to drop GYOW. So, my hopes stay pinned on ISA.

He says he looked over when they played for Clinton and Clinton was singing the words to ISA and LB was surprised since it was never released as a single, so that probably convinced him that it should never ever be dropped from any setlist of his for the rest of his life, but I can dream.

No, I love it with a band. I do think it's a show highlight.

Michele

It's the complete opposite for me - not over keen on it with band (in fact never really liked the song at all)!

But it quickly became show highlight for me during OMS tour - goosebumps every time! :)

[McTrouble]

With audience participation, I sometimes wonder chicken/egg. Those nights when he keeps his eyes closed most of the time, why do you think he does it? Do you think it's just the mood he is in then?

You could say he might do it because the audience is lackluster. I understand that. If they are dead during the first 4 or 5 songs, then it would be natural for him to go inside himself a little, but really he sometimes does that during the early songs. When this happens, it actually sets the pace and makes the audience more subdued. They follow his vibe. It's contagious. I wonder if sometimes maybe if it's the venue. If he doesn't like the venue, does he close his eyes more to transport himself to another place mentally?

Obviously, an event like the This is 40 Roxy thing is different, because most people weren't there to see him and he wasn't playing a full set for that, so maybe he closed his eyes more to concentrate better. But I wonder.

Michele

If he doesn't like venue he sure doesn't try to hide the fact! ;):rolleyes::p

[Lindsfan]

Some of my opinion of the audio of OMS may be based on desk speakers I am listening through. I'll have to try it in my car or home stereo to see if the sound quality changes.




I was actually going to suggest that ;)

I don't expect it to make you do a 180 on your opinion but, after reading your review, I actually went and listened to the whole thing again too, and I just don't hear what you're hearing. It's a no-frills recording so as they say, it is what it is as far as production goes. I don't care for the way the crowd sounds ( like they're in another room), but I don't hear a whole lot to take issue with in his performance. Especially with regards to BTLH being a hot mess :shrug:
It's seems to me like it's a pretty tough song to sing (and play) live, so I'm always just impressed when he gets through it. But, in this case, I think it's darn near perfect. Not because I love the song, or don't see any fault with Lindsey. I just think compared to other bootleg audios and videos where he does it, this one stands out to me as being really very good. It's in tune, his singing is good, the playing is great. In fact, the only song that stood out to me as having a tuning problem was Stephanie! I heard him play it plenty of times, and there are definitely a couple of off strums on this recording :sorry: It actually struck me the first time I heard it when I was flying home the day after the Washburn show. I had to play it back because it was so odd sounding to me. Like I said, the Fort Worth is the best version of Stephanie. But BTLH I've never heard better, solo.





The whoops & hollers from the audience bug me. (And rarely does that bother me in live recordings but it does here.) At one point the track cuts off the hollering abruptly which was jarring. Poor editing on someone's part. Needed to fade out/into next track better.


Missed the "Southern" speech/BN reference. I know this wasn't recorded in the South, but maybe it should have been.

Overall, I miss production or better editing/mixing and it showcases more "flubs" than I want to admit Lindsey has in his playing. It's a little sloppy.



Just a few things I have to mention that I respectfully disagree with you on here.

1) I completelt disagree with you about the flubs. There just ARENT any outright flubs. A missed note or two sure but that's one of the things I love about the completely solo shows! He puts himself out there, just him so every little thing is there crystal clear. Who else does that?? He's not afraid to bare it all ya know? All alone, every note he plays and sings is on full display and damn. It's impressive. And if he misses the occasional note, I find it kind of endearing. He's human, and I like that it shows sometimes.

Just out of curiosity, since you like Soundstage (as I do as well), does his "flub" at the end of NGBA bother you also :shrug: He did more than one take on some of those songs, so he could have re-done that one...or edited it later. But he didn't. He let it ride, and I'm glad he did, for the same reasons as with BTLH. I don't need - or want - a live recording to be perfect. But that's me.

2) I always find it odd when people complain about audience noise on a live recording ( and I don't mean just you, CAD. I hear it now and then). To me that's part of the charm of a live recording. Feeling like you're actually there!

3) Be honest, you have to admit, finding fault in him not talking about the south in a show in Iowa isn't really very fair. That would be like me not liking Live in Boston because he thanks the Boston audience rather than the Seattle audience :shocked::lol:

[McTrouble]

I was actually going to suggest that ;)

I don't expect it to make you do a 180 on your opinion but, after reading your review, I actually went and listened to the whole thing again too, and I just don't hear what you're hearing. It's a no-frills recording so as they say, it is what it is as far as production goes. I don't care for the way the crowd sounds ( like they're in another room), but I don't hear a whole lot to take issue with in his performance. Especially with regards to BTLH being a hot mess :shrug:
It's seems to me like it's a pretty tough song to sing (and play) live, so I'm always just impressed when he gets through it. But, in this case, I think it's darn near perfect. Not because I love the song, or don't see any fault with Lindsey. I just think compared to other bootleg audios and videos where he does it, this one stands out to me as being really very good. It's in tune, his singing is good, the playing is great. In fact, the only song that stood out to me as having a tuning problem was Stephanie! I heard him play it plenty of times, and there are definitely a couple of off strums on this recording :sorry: It actually struck me the first time I heard it when I was flying home the day after the Washburn show. I had to play it back because it was so odd sounding to me. Like I said, the Fort Worth is the best version of Stephanie. But BTLH I've never heard better, solo.





Just a few things I have to mention that I respectfully disagree with you on here.

1) I completelt disagree with you about the flubs. There just ARENT any outright flubs. A missed note or two sure but that's one of the things I love about the completely solo shows! He puts himself out there, just him so every little thing is there crystal clear. Who else does that?? He's not afraid to bare it all ya know? All alone, every note he plays and sings is on full display and damn. It's impressive. And if he misses the occasional note, I find it kind of endearing. He's human, and I like that it shows sometimes.

Just out of curiosity, since you like Soundstage (as I do as well), does his "flub" at the end of NGBA bother you also :shrug: He did more than one take on some of those songs, so he could have re-done that one...or edited it later. But he didn't. He let it ride, and I'm glad he did, for the same reasons as with BTLH. I don't need - or want - a live recording to be perfect. But that's me.

2) I always find it odd when people complain about audience noise on a live recording ( and I don't mean just you, CAD. I hear it now and then). To me that's part of the charm of a live recording. Feeling like you're actually there!

3) Be honest, you have to admit, finding fault in him not talking about the south in a show in Iowa isn't really very fair. That would be like me not liking Live in Boston because he thanks the Boston audience rather than the Seattle audience :shocked::lol:

Absolutely - I can't say it any better so I won't! :xoxo:

[elle]

Wow - I don't think his voice is better than SYW - but I didn't get to see any live shows. I really think he was at his peak - both vocally & musically during the SYW/UTS/GOS years.

i used to think he was at his peak with GOS1 material too - which i guess he really recorded in the second half of 90s and early 2000s. i didn't think much of most non-GOS1 songs on these 3 albums so i guess i'd put the peak on that period a bit earlier than you would (~1996-2001 vs 2001-2008).

but then he recorded SWS and i was shocked how fresh and great those songs sounded. and i heard him live at Saban... and at all those other shows in the last 2 years. and he did a huge tour completely alone. and wrote and recorded all these other new songs we have yet to hear (so i'll reserve my judgement there). but he's recording, touring, and releasing stuff at a breakneck speed and seems happy while doing it. so imo, he's definitely at least at as much of a peak now as he was in the late 90s when he recorded GOS1. which makes this great time to be a LB fan! :thumbsup: :]

[TrueFaith77]

Bass Hall is the best produced. And the sequencing is superb. And the sound of CAD and SUD live! WOOOW!!!!!

[redtulip]

Some of my opinion of the audio of OMS may be based on desk speakers I am listening through. I'll have to try it in my car or home stereo to see if the sound quality changes.



You asked me why I felt it was a disappointment to me and I gave you the details. It's not important enough to me to debate with you on it.

I do want to point out that as a singer and a guitarist, I do hear the flubs and when something is out of tune. There is one song - can't remember which one - where it was so obvious I cringed. And, I think Lindsey has gotten a little more lax in his "perfectionism" in his senior years, especially when it comes to his solo work.



I don't think it's worth my time just to have you debate every point with me. I appreciate Elle's attempt to converse on it though.

Elle, I would like to throw this out there from your comments -- I think what you call Lindsey's "thin" voice in his younger days is actually his higher register. As a person ages, their voice tends to "thin" in singing. It's inevitable -- it's rare that an older person can maintain a true fullness in their voice in their 60's+. That's not to say that Lindsey isn't able to have moments where his voice is full -- he does. And, I think probably even more now -- my guess is that he has used techniques he picked up from vocal coaching that they didn't really have as much in the old days, much like Stevie has done. But, there are still a lot more instances now (that are just purely due to his age) where his voice gets thin. It's not horrible, I just hear it and when I listen to young Lindsey back to back with now Lindsey -- it's obvious.

Wasn't trying to debate, just trying to discuss. I thought that was the point of message boards?

[CADreaming]

It's a no-frills recording so as they say, it is what it is as far as production goes. I don't care for the way the crowd sounds ( like they're in another room),

Has a "tinny" sound to it. Like I said, it normally doesn't bother me in live recordings. In fact, I have so many live recordings that I play in the car a lot of my friends cannot stand it and I love concerts so much, it's never bothered me like this one does. :shrug: Again, could be the speakers... will def take a listen on a different system.

But BTLH I've never heard better, solo

I have a pretty "photographic memory" ear. So, when I'm listening to songs that I've heard before, I'm subconsciously listening for all those little notes and nuances that make the song stand out to me. Ok, so that being said, if anything is different, I hear it -- could be good, could be bad. In this case, if you were to play The Dance and Say You Will versions and then this one, you may be able to hear what I dislike about the OMS version. If not, then I'm glad you enjoy this one.




1) I completelt disagree with you about the flubs. There just ARENT any outright flubs. A missed note or two sure but that's one of the things I love about the completely solo shows! He puts himself out there, just him so every little thing is there crystal clear. Who else does that?? He's not afraid to bare it all ya know? All alone, every note he plays and sings is on full display and damn. It's impressive. And if he misses the occasional note, I find it kind of endearing. He's human, and I like that it shows sometimes.

Um, missed notes are flubs. :) Not saying that I think he should be super human and not miss a note in a live show. Just saying there are a lot more in this recording and it didn't make my listening experience as enjoyable as other recordings.

Just out of curiosity, since you like Soundstage (as I do as well), does his "flub" at the end of NGBA bother you also :shrug: He did more than one take on some of those songs, so he could have re-done that one...or edited it later. But he didn't. He let it ride, and I'm glad he did, for the same reasons as with BTLH. I don't need - or want - a live recording to be perfect. But that's me.

Yeah, again, I don't expect a live recording to be perfect -- just not as flawed as this one was.

2) I always find it odd when people complain about audience noise on a live recording ( and I don't mean just you, CAD. I hear it now and then). To me that's part of the charm of a live recording. Feeling like you're actually there!

See above. I've explained all this good enough, haven't I? :confused:

3) Be honest, you have to admit, finding fault in him not talking about the south in a show in Iowa isn't really very fair. That would be like me not liking Live in Boston because he thanks the Boston audience rather than the Seattle audience :shocked::lol:

I think I pointed out in my original post that I realized the Southern speech wasn't included in the recording because he wasn't in the South. I was just making a personal commentary on how I wish it was in this release and that maybe it would have been better to use a show from the South so that it could have been properly included (also maybe the recording would have been better?) I just thought it would have been nice since he had included "Stephanie" and how that speech worked into the show. I get that it would have been unfair to have a regional statement in a national / international release - although I'm sure many other artists have done it. Give me a little credit for not being stupid. :)

[michelej1]

Has a "tinny" sound to it. Like I said, it normally doesn't bother me in live recordings. In fact, I have so many live recordings that I play in the car a lot of my friends cannot stand it and I love concerts so much, it's never bothered me like this one does. :shrug: Again, could be the speakers... will def take a listen on a different system.


I don't think it's your speakers. In fact, better speakers may compound the problem. I think it has everything to do with placement. I asked myself, is the crowd coming from in front of or in back of the music source? That will make a difference as to how prominent it is in the mix, but it's better in some songs than in others.

But I suppose it's like bootleg recordings, it depends on where the recorder is stationed as to how annoying the background noise is going to be -- and of course on whether noise is coming from people in the recorder's general vicinity or not.

At any rate, it's your opinion and there's no right or wrong when it comes to that.

I know what you mean about other people kvetching. My friends used to have no patience with my snowy videos. I didn't care how bad the image was, I would still look at a video and they were not interested in straining to see a picture. These days I don't look myself because it's mostly on VHS and although I have 3 VHS recorders in my closet, I don't have them hooked up. Plus, tv screens are so huge now that videos that were bad in the first place are horrible now. So, I don't bother with them much.

Michele

[CADreaming]

I don't think it's your speakers. In fact, better speakers may compound the problem. I think it has everything to do with placement. I asked myself, is the crowd coming from in front of or in back of the music source? That will make a difference as to how prominent it is in the mix, but it's better in some songs than in others.

But I suppose it's like bootleg recordings, it depends on where the recorder is stationed as to how annoying the background noise is going to be -- and of course on whether noise is coming from people in the recorder's general vicinity or not.

At any rate, it's your opinion and there's no right or wrong when it comes to that.

Yeah, I mean if it doesn't bother people on this recording then that's cool. I just hear this particular noise crowd differently than others, and whatever that difference is - bugs me. I think some of the fans here may be coloring their personal experience with favoring the recording though. In retrospect, I may have also done that with saying I favorited Soundstage over Bass Hall, at least from an audio perspective, I would probably agree with TrueFaith77, but Soundstage is just a beautiful visual -- plus Stevie :)...

I know what you mean about other people kvetching. My friends used to have no patience with my snowy videos. I didn't care how bad the image was, I would still look at a video and they were not interested in straining to see a picture. These days I don't look myself because it's mostly on VHS and although I have 3 VHS recorders in my closet, I don't have them hooked up. Plus, tv screens are so huge now that videos that were bad in the first place are horrible now. So, I don't bother with them much.

Michele

I was just discussing a similar topic with a friend earlier. Technology has gained so much on me and I really miss archiving shows like I did with VCR tapes! If only I had the time to transfer everything to digital. I do still have VCR's set up though and one is a dvd recorder / vcr... but the time, the time...

[michelej1]

^I have three DVD recorders and I do make that promise to transfer to myself too. Before I moved I transferred about 30 hours, but that was 30 out of, probably 3000. I still have a Betamax recorder too.

Luckiky, the Mirage show is on DVD and I will look at that when I get home, because I have some Lindsey and Christine work to do. :]

[CADreaming]

^I have three DVD recorders and I do make that promise to transfer to myself too. Before I moved I transferred about 30 hours, but that was 30 out of, probably 3000. I still have a Betamax recorder too.

Luckiky, the Mirage show is on DVD and I will look at that when I get home, because I have some Lindsey and Christine work to do. :]

LOL! I still need to get the Mirage DVD. Beatmax?! Wow!!

[elle]

^I have three DVD recorders and I do make that promise to transfer to myself too. Before I moved I transferred about 30 hours, but that was 30 out of, probably 3000. I still have a Betamax recorder too.

Luckiky, the Mirage show is on DVD and I will look at that when I get home, because I have some Lindsey and Christine work to do. :]

yeah i wanted to watch that last night but was too tired and it was too late and i never have a chunk of time during the day.

[michelej1]

LOL! I still need to get the Mirage DVD. Beatmax?! Wow!!

Yeah, the place where outdated devices go to die:distress:.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn2/michelej1/photocloset_zps383a078a.jpg

The thing is, the new televisions don't even have connections for these things anymore. I had to go on Ebay and spend $50 to get a composite to HDMI converter, just to hook up an older tivo.

It's a funny thing how Lindsey is not on the cover of the Mirage DVD with the rest of the band and he is on the cover of the Tango dvd (which just made me more upset than I already was about Cage). Although, maybe the confusing covers can be attributed to the fact that I have my copies of these concerts from Brazil and I don't think they are quite legit, despite the fact that I purchased them on Amazon.

Michele

[elle]

It's a funny thing how Lindsey is not on the cover of the Mirage DVD with the rest of the band and he is on the cover of the Tango dvd (which just made me more upset than I already was about Cage). Although, maybe the confusing covers can be attributed to the fact that I have my copies of these concerts from Brazil and I don't think they are quite legit, despite the fact that I purchased them on Amazon.


yeah we all do, although i'm pretty sure i got mine on ebay. there is no legit US release but this seems legit south american and it's a great clean video, even though wrong people are on the front cover.

[CADreaming]

Yeah, the place where outdated devices go to die:distress:.

Oh, wow, Michele. That's a true hot mess. Well, at least they're all in one place...I think mine are spread out. And you don't want to see my "hey, I might need that cable one day" box...



I have my copies of these concerts from Brazil and I don't think they are quite legit, despite the fact that I purchased them on Amazon.

Michele

Now that you mention it, that's why I never purchased that DVD. I wondered about the quality, being from Brazil. What's your opinion?

[michelej1]

Now that you mention it, that's why I never purchased that DVD. I wondered about the quality, being from Brazil. What's your opinion?

Video quality is excellent, even blown up. Audio is stereo.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Video quality is excellent, even blown up. Audio is stereo.

Michele

Awesome, thanks!

[elle]

Now that you mention it, that's why I never purchased that DVD. I wondered about the quality, being from Brazil. What's your opinion?

yeah we all do, although i'm pretty sure i got mine on ebay. there is no legit US release but this seems legit south american and it's a great clean video, even though wrong people are on the front cover.

:D :thumbsup:

[redtulip]

I rewatched Soundstage this weekend and don't quite understand all the love here. It's good, don't get me wrong, but I found that I missed the bass and drum parts on a lot of the songs. It felt to me like the songs on there weren't "full" enough considering that there were four guys up there. I think I would have enjoyed Soundstage more with bass and drums, similar to Small Machine since it's basically the same musicians.

[Villavic]

I just broke the tie by voting for Soundstage.

[HomerMcvie]

I just broke the tie by voting for Soundstage.

Long live THEEEEE RESURRECTOR! :woohoo:

[cbBen]

One Man Show is out of print. Does anyone have the song files?

[soul_drifter333]

They're all enjoyable, but I could never really get into One Man Show. I didn't read the whole thread, but it doesn't specify if it's audio or video or both.

With that being said, I like the Soundstage from 1993. The band was killer and most of those songs were not played again until the Anthology Tour and some never again. It was his first solo tour and he was incredibly nervous, but those songs... I feel very fortunate to get to see that tour. The actual show was much, much looser and rockin’ that the recorded version.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcOZfU4PVCg&list=RDUcOZfU4PVCg&start_radio=1

[lbfan]

They're all enjoyable, but I could never really get into One Man Show. I didn't read the whole thread, but it doesn't specify if it's audio or video or both.

With that being said, I like the Soundstage from 1993. The band was killer and most of those songs were not played again until the Anthology Tour and some never again. It was his first solo tour and he was incredibly nervous, but those songs... I feel very fortunate to get to see that tour. The actual show was much, much looser and rockin’ that the recorded version.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcOZfU4PVCg&list=RDUcOZfU4PVCg&start_radio=1
I agree, this was his best solo tour. Not to “nit pick” the PBS show was entitled “Center Stage” and filmed in Chicago in December 1992. There are two concerts of that Out of the Cradle tour that were recorded for radio broadcast in San Juan Capistrano. One night he performed “Wrong” for the only time live (link below). In 2003, he recorded Sound Stage (also broadcast on PBS), also filmed in Chicago (the video referenced in this poll). That was a “one off” during the Fleetwood Mac Say You Will tour.

https://youtu.be/OmNWr-wjWGc?si=MpmSNYmUWbsIhciC

[Street_Dreamer]

One Man Show was an iTunes exclusive release. It's "out of print" and even though I purchased it way back, I can no longer download it. Shows just how important physical media still is. As an aside, the Amazon and iTunes exclusives from Seeds We Sow are still available to download.

They're all enjoyable, but I could never really get into One Man Show. I didn't read the whole thread, but it doesn't specify if it's audio or video or both.

[soul_drifter333]

My bad. Both shows (Soundstage and Center Stage) had the same type of feel and format. Both were broadcast on PBS as well. I had the radio broadcast for one night of the performance and didn't find about the 2nd one with Wrong until later. I think that Countdown was only performed once on the Letterman show.


I agree, this was his best solo tour. Not to “nit pick” the PBS show was entitled “Center Stage” and filmed in Chicago in December 1992. There are two concerts of that Out of the Cradle tour that were recorded for radio broadcast in San Juan Capistrano. One night he performed “Wrong” for the only time live (link below). In 2003, he recorded Sound Stage (also broadcast on PBS), also filmed in Chicago (the video referenced in this poll). That was a “one off” during the Fleetwood Mac Say You Will tour.

https://youtu.be/OmNWr-wjWGc?si=MpmSNYmUWbsIhciC

[HomerMcvie]

I think that Countdown was only performed once on the Letterman show.

I still have that on VHS, somewhere.

[lbfan]

I think that Countdown was only performed once on the Letterman show.

Correct: https://youtu.be/-N71eeUFLdo?si=dTPTF6V-iYQ4-Ak4

Also an acoustic performance on the ABC (later A&E) In Concert series:
https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/443996900 Countdown at the 9:02 mark

[Villavic]

Correct: https://youtu.be/-N71eeUFLdo?si=dTPTF6V-iYQ4-Ak4


Nice video. Does anybody know the names of his band members?

I think he looks his best haircut in this video, too. I know it's been more than 30 years and he couldn't get that exact haircut again, but something similar could be cool. Cause he still gives me a hard time with his current look. Don't his daughters say anything to him? :laugh:

Lindsey 2025 (https://www.facebook.com/share/r/19kFbWzDn8/)

[lbfan]

Nice video. Does anybody know the names of his band members?

This was the regular Letterman band (The World’s Most Dangerous Band)
Paul Shaffer on keyboards
Will Lee on bass guitar and vocals
Sid McGinnis on guitar
Anton Fig on drums and percussion