why didn't stevie have lindsay produce any of her solo albums? [Archive]

nailatixela

12-28-2012, 10:02 PM

I think it's pretty obvious how strange that would have been to produce, say, Bella Donna. But what about other records? Could we entertain the idea? You have to think of their relationship at the time...the band...where each artist was at mentally. I wonder, would producing a couple of tracks for TISL have been out of the question? Stevie did have producers she really liked then (and with IYD) so I would assume she wouldn't even think of or need Lindsey to help. But these later on albums, I can see this being a tad more realistic. But if they're working together, my mind starts to wonder: why not just make it a Fleetwood Mac album?

Johnny Stew

12-28-2012, 10:41 PM

Stevie & Lindsey have been very competitive with each other over the years --especially in the '80s. So for the first half of her solo career, to ask Lindsey to produce an album would have seemed like an admittance that she needed his help (and she certainly didn't). And in more recent times -- as nailatixela pointed out -- if Lindsey's producing Stevie's music, they might as well just make it a Fleetwood Mac album.

FierySequences

12-28-2012, 10:42 PM

But these later on albums, I can see this being a tad more realistic. But if they're working together, my mind starts to wonder: why not just make it a Fleetwood Mac album?

Exactly! :thumbsup:

RavenOfRhiannon

12-29-2012, 12:30 AM

I'm sure I read somewhere that Stevie had asked Mick to ask Lindsey if he'd be interested in producing TISL, either before or after they did Twisted together.

vivfox

12-29-2012, 12:35 AM

as nailatixela pointed out -- if Lindsey's producing Stevie's music, they might as well just make it a Fleetwood Mac album.

Or why not just make it a Buckingham/Nicks album?

skuncles

12-29-2012, 04:43 PM

If Lindsey were to produce her it wouldn't sound that much different from her Fleetwood Mac stuff. Also I don't think Lindsey would have been that receptive to the idea. I don't think he'd like taking direction from Stevie.

KindOfWoman90

12-29-2012, 05:33 PM

Etisl

12-29-2012, 09:41 PM

She should have let him produce Street Angel. I am curious what he could have done with those songs. During that time she needed a strong "take charge" producer...... He wouldn't have let her release the disaster that Thom Panunzio did. Panunzio is the worse producer she has ever worked with....it's almost like he was trying to sabotage here... :shrug:

From Wiki -----
Originally, the album was produced by Glyn Johns and was ready for release in February 1993, with "Unconditional Love" as the first promo single.

The album suffered further as Nicks spent her second stint in drug rehabilitation (for Klonopin dependency) during the mixing and mastering period. The record label rushed the production so Nicks would be ready to promote the album once out of rehab, but this meant that she had no input into the overall sound or tracklisting of the album - these duties were overseen by co-producer Thom Panunzio, who had previously worked with Nicks' close friend Tom Petty. On coming out of rehab, Nicks returned to the studio (without Johns) to overdub and re-record a lot of what had already been done.

Despite her efforts, the album did not turn out how she wanted.

olive

12-29-2012, 10:28 PM

he would have brought in Mick to play drums ... then he would have called Christine to do back ground vocals , and he would have done the lead and rhythm guitars ...and she'd have a Mac album ... isn't that how Christine's cover of Elvis Presley's 'Can't Help Falling In Love was done ....

Johnny Stew

12-29-2012, 10:58 PM

I'm sure I read somewhere that Stevie had asked Mick to ask Lindsey if he'd be interested in producing TISL, either before or after they did Twisted together.

:lol: If this is in fact true, which I could sooo see as being the case, how grade school! Haha, aww - "Mick can you ask him? But don't tell him it was me who said it!" :p

If I remember correctly, it was "Twisted" that Stevie asked Mick to ask Lindsey to produce (just writing that sentence makes me feel like I'm in grade school! lol).

This was, of course, in '96 when the band members were taking the first steps towards reconciling with each other. So Stevie may have been feeling a little timid regarding Lindsey.

Johnny Stew

12-29-2012, 11:14 PM

She should have let him produce Street Angel. I am curious what he could have done with those songs. During that time she needed a strong "take charge" producer...... He wouldn't have let her release the disaster that Thom Panunzio did. Panunzio is the worse producer she has ever worked with....it's almost like he was trying to sabotage here... :shrug:

Actually, if it's the album's production you don't care for, Thom Panunzio really can't be blamed for that.

Glyn Johns was the original producer, and he did have a "take-charge" attitude. According to Stevie, the original mixes -- at Johns' insistence -- featured no percussion. Johns also allegedly insisted that Waddy not play on the album ("I was told that the last thing that I would need was Waddy Wachtel"). Stevie has said that Johns knew that she didn't care for what he was doing with the production work, but that she was basically told to "shut up and deal with it."

Once recording was finished and Glyn Johns returned to England (and once Stevie was out of rehab for her Klonopin addiction), she and Thom Panunzio went back into the studio. They opened up the mixes, brought Waddy in to add guitars, and Peter Michael to add percussion, etc. Stevie felt that the album still didn't sound exactly the way she wanted, but that it was ultimately time to call it "finished" and release what they had.

Jondalar

12-29-2012, 11:20 PM

Actually, if it's the album's production you don't care for, Thom Panunzio really can't be blamed for that.

Glyn Johns was the original producer, and he did have a "take-charge" attitude. According to Stevie, the original mixes -- at Johns' insistence -- featured no percussion. Johns also allegedly insisted that Waddy not play on the album ("I was told that the last thing that I would need was Waddy Wachtel"). Stevie has said that Johns knew that she didn't care for what he was doing with the production work, but that she was basically told to "shut up and deal with it."

Once recording was finished and Glyn Johns returned to England (and once Stevie was out of rehab for her Klonopin addiction), she and Thom Panunzio went back into the studio. They opened up the mixes, brought Waddy in to add guitars, and Peter Michael to add percussion, etc. Stevie felt that the album still didn't sound exactly the way she wanted, but that it was ultimately time to call it "finished" and release what they had.

The problem with Street Angel was not the production. It was the songs and Stevie's voice. That album totally rests on her shoulders.

Johnny Stew

12-29-2012, 11:33 PM

The problem with Street Angel was not the production. It was the songs and Stevie's voice. That album totally rests on her shoulders.

I actually love Street Angel.. the songs, Stevie's vocals, and all. No, it's not perfect. It's flawed and uneven -- but it's an honest, unadorned view of Stevie's life and mindset at the time. (I love "When I See You Again" on 'Tango' for similar reasons).

Which very well may be why Stevie herself isn't so fond of it -- it isn't "prettified." And while one of my favorite things about Stevie's music is that she takes heart-rending human emotions and wraps them up in something beautiful, I find a lot to appreciate in those rare moments when her guard is completely down and we get the warts and all.

FierySequences

12-29-2012, 11:46 PM

I actually love Street Angel.. the songs, Stevie's vocals, and all. No, it's not perfect. It's flawed and uneven -- but it's an honest, unadorned view of Stevie's life and mindset at the time. (I love "When I See You Again" on 'Tango' for similar reasons).

Which very well may be why Stevie herself isn't so fond of it -- it isn't "prettified." And while one of my favorite things about Stevie's music is that she takes heart-rending human emotions and wraps them up in something beautiful, I find a lot to appreciate in those rare moments when her guard is completely down and we get the warts and all.

ICAM...I often indulge in SA and the masterpieces of Blue Denim and Rose Garden. This was the best work she could do at the time under the circumstances and substances. Stevie even performed RG on Enchanted which indicates she was not completly embarrassed by the SA album in it's entirety, which she would have us all believe.

Villavic

12-30-2012, 10:35 PM

If i remember correctly didn't stevie say that lindsay was the best person for her fleetwood mac songs so i was just curious why she never brought him in to do one of her solo albums?

Because nobody in the world knows Lindsay and she wouldn't hire an unkonwn producer. ;)

seekerj

01-02-2013, 11:51 AM

louielouie2000

01-02-2013, 03:33 PM

I actually love Street Angel.. the songs, Stevie's vocals, and all. No, it's not perfect. It's flawed and uneven -- but it's an honest, unadorned view of Stevie's life and mindset at the time. (I love "When I See You Again" on 'Tango' for similar reasons).

Which very well may be why Stevie herself isn't so fond of it -- it isn't "prettified." And while one of my favorite things about Stevie's music is that she takes heart-rending human emotions and wraps them up in something beautiful, I find a lot to appreciate in those rare moments when her guard is completely down and we get the warts and all.

I adore Street Angel... the good songs it contains are some of the best of her solo career, IMO. I have always been way more of a fan of Stevie's Mac work vs her solo work because her solo works are typically overproduced & too pop for my taste. But Street Angel is straightforward guitar-driven rock & roll. Most of it's songs have a rather classic, timeless sound to them. Yes, there are complete turds... but every Stevie album has a few. I think this is also why I really love much of In Your Dreams... there's quite a bit of roots-style rock on the album.

FierySequences

01-02-2013, 04:22 PM

I adore Street Angel... the good songs it contains are some of the best of her solo career, IMO. I have always been way more of a fan of Stevie's Mac work vs her solo work because her solo works are typically overproduced & too pop for my taste. But Street Angel is straightforward guitar-driven rock & roll. Most of it's songs have a rather classic, timeless sound to them. Yes, there are complete turds... but every Stevie album has a few. I think this is also why I really love much of In Your Dreams... there's quite a bit of roots-style rock on the album.

And which are on IYD? That should a new thread "Stevie's turds" , I'm sure we can come up with a diverse list :D

louielouie2000

01-02-2013, 05:46 PM

And which are on IYD?

Italian Summer & Cheaper Than Free :sorry:

That should a new thread "Stevie's turds" , I'm sure we can come up with a diverse list :D

I think that's a fun idea, please do start a new thread! :thumbsup:

elle

01-02-2013, 07:02 PM

Italian Summer & Cheaper Than Free :sorry:

ha, Italian Summer is the one that immediately came to my mind too.

WildHearted

01-02-2013, 08:05 PM

Italian Summer & Cheaper Than Free :sorry:

I think Italian Summer would have been beautiful if it had different lyrics. The "ooooh it's so romantic, ooooh it's so soulful" just absolutely kill it for me. But the melody I find really charming.

And yea, no to Cheaper Than Free (although again, it might not have been a bad song if the lyrics were different).

And then I personally don't like Everybody Loves You because of the terrible Chorus and Dave's distracting vocal and Stevie's feigned British accent. But otherwise, it could have been a nice song.

/overly critical

michelej1

01-02-2013, 08:33 PM

I love Italian Summer and that's the way I end the album.

Cheaper Than Free is just beyond bad. It couldn't be worse if Al Yankovich had penned those lyrics.

Michele

WildHearted

01-02-2013, 08:37 PM

I love Italian Summer and that's the way I end the album.

I end it that way, too. Sometimes when I'm in the car and I zone out and forget about whatever's playing, I'm actually shocked when CTF follows. I've cut it off so much before it comes on that I forget it exists.

elle

01-02-2013, 08:49 PM

I think Italian Summer would have been beautiful if it had different lyrics. The "ooooh it's so romantic, ooooh it's so soulful" just absolutely kill it for me. But the melody I find really charming.

And yea, no to Cheaper Than Free (although again, it might not have been a bad song if the lyrics were different).

And then I personally don't like Everybody Loves You because of the terrible Chorus and Dave's distracting vocal and Stevie's feigned British accent. But otherwise, it could have been a nice song.

/overly critical

I love Italian Summer and that's the way I end the album.

Cheaper Than Free is just beyond bad. It couldn't be worse if Al Yankovich had penned those lyrics.

Michele

see, disregarding the lyrics (or lack thereof, especially in the case of cheaper than free, although i can completely understand how that can be annoying), i find the music and duet singing in cheaper than free and everybody loves you soothing. duet with deeper male voice even reminds me a tiny bit of twisted duet with LB.

but the music in italian summer just sounds like beyond bad european summer festival style syrupy schmaltz music. i can't stand it. (although, and i said it before, i have a tiny bit of suspicion that may have been what DS has been going for.)

Johnny Stew

01-02-2013, 09:09 PM

I quite like "Cheaper Than Free." I know the lyrics are rather trite, but it has a sweet sentiment. Plus Stevie & Dave sound fantastic harmonizing together.
I can see slow dancing at a wedding to it.

That said, when I listen to 'IYD,' I end the album with "Italian Summer." It's such a grand, sweeping note for the album to end on. The album would have been better served if "CTF" had remained a 'Blackbird Diaries' track only.

michelej1

01-02-2013, 09:15 PM

but the music in italian summer just sounds like beyond bad european summer festival style syrupy schmaltz music. i can't stand it. (although, and i said it before, i have a tiny bit of suspicion that may have been what DS has been going for.)

The music reminds me of a 1950s Hollywood musical and I like that showpiece quality it has about it.

Michele

michelej1

01-02-2013, 09:17 PM

No one ends the album with Cheaper Than Free, Stevie. Sequencing FAIL.

Michele

Johnny Stew

01-02-2013, 09:39 PM

The music reminds me of a 1950s Hollywood musical and I like that showpiece quality it has about it.

Ooh... that's the best (and most accurate) description I've heard for "Italian Summer." That's exactly what it sounds like. Love it.

No one ends the album with Cheaper Than Free, Stevie. Sequencing FAIL.

Lol... it has such a "tacked onto the album" feel. Even "My Heart" nestled into the middle of the deluxe edition as a bonus track, feels more organic.

elle

01-02-2013, 09:47 PM

Ooh... that's the best (and most accurate) description I've heard for "Italian Summer." That's exactly what it sounds like. Love it.

nah. how would you know? isn't it called Italian summer and DS is credited with the music? i actually discussed this on another board with many europeans, and i'm not the only one who had this impression. i grew up with that kind of schmaltzy music :D

michelej1

01-02-2013, 09:55 PM

Lol... it has such a "tacked onto the album" feel. Even "My Heart" nestled into the middle of the deluxe edition as a bonus track, feels more organic.

The first few times I listened with My Heart, I was startled, because I wasn't used to it being on the album and forgot it was there now. But I actually think it fits in and flows beautifully and enhances the work as a whole.

nah. how would you know? isn't it called Italian summer and DS is credited with the music? i actually discussed this on another board with many europeans, and i'm not the only one who had this impression. i grew up with that kind of schmaltzy music :D

If we've seen Hollywood musicals we can compare it to them, even if it also sounds like something you grew up with. And just as Fellini has influenced American filmmakers, I'm sure that Italian film makers have, in turn, been influenced by Hollywood musicals. And I think it's called Italian Summer because that's where Stevie summered, rather than because that's the sound that DS was going for. I don't think her Escape from Berlin was meant to mimic German music.

Michele

elle

01-02-2013, 10:05 PM

^ sure, we can all hear in it what we want, agree with that. :thumbsup:

although i'm not talking about movies, but specifically music played at festivals. they used to have competitions, San Remo is one example, they probably still do but i'm not sure. for maybe somewhat familiar although slightly different example, think Eurovision competition. :D

who knows, might be inspired by either or both or something completely different.:shrug: i just thought it was funny when johnny stew stated after your post "that's exactly what it is", while completely ignoring what i wrote ;)

Johnny Stew

01-02-2013, 10:40 PM

i just thought it was funny when johnny stew stated after your post "that's exactly what it is", while completely ignoring what i wrote ;)

But in agreeing with Michele's description, I wasn't necessarily discounting yours.

I've never been to a European summer festival, so I can't compare it to the music played there. However, I've seen plenty of old Hollywood musicals -- so, for my ears, Michele's comparison to those was the "best and most accurate description I've heard."

Either way, I've never been known to shy away from a little schmaltz. :o