Stevie Nicks: Fleetwood Mac will tour in 2013. Rehearsals start in January".

[Dodfather]

Check out this piece of VERY exciting news from Nickslive!

http://nickslive.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/stevie-nicks-to-reporters-fleetwood-mac.html

I would take this with the proverbial bucket of salt if she hadn't said the part about rehearsals starting in January. Now I am only taking it with a pinch. Yes!!

[David A]

Honestly, Im a little disapointed in a 2013 tour, I mean, at this point, what exactly are FM going to offer?

I mean, I love the band, but what? Ill pay $150 for one ticket to see the same set list from 10 years ago, and maybe they throw in 1 classic song

I mean, there are so many more possibilities, studio album, BN, SOLO, FM tour, what exactly is the marketing approach going to be?

just doesnt sound that appealing at this point

[vivfox]

We'll read all the fans say it was worth the price of admission just to hear Sister's of the Moon or That's Alright.:laugh:

[Dodfather]

Speaking as someone who has only seen them live once, I'll gladly go and see them again. I do understand why people may be disappointed but come on, we'll all end up loving it!

Ideally this will be to support a new album but that's highly unlikely. Oh well, I'll still be going!

[BombaySapphire3]

Just as I did with the "unleashed " tour I will sit this one out.Tours that are done for no purpose whatsoever than to fleece fans out of $ hold no appeal to me.

[michelej1]

Oh, I knew Mick's little Playboy move would pin her down. If those boys press her hard enough, there's little she won't do.

If rehearsals are really in January, we won't be getting any new music, which is a bummer. But this might be the last time to see these old fogies.

Michele

[Peestie]

Depending on where they play, the cost and what else I've got going on at the time I'll probably go. I'd like to see them again. It's a pain if there's no new music and I'd much rather have 40-60minutes of new music to last a lifetime instead of 120-150minutes of old songs that lasts an evening.

I'm not really sure what the point in touring again is. Maybe they'll release BN with a lot of bonus tracks just before the tour (yeah, right...)

[BombaySapphire3]

I'm not really sure what the point in touring again is.

If they are not touring behind an album it is purely mercenary.Remember Mick's playboy interview? He needs $$$$$.

[Peestie]

If they are not touring behind an album it is purely mercenary.Remember Mick's playboy interview? He needs $$$$$.

I didn't read it. :o I just got the highlights that he was taking a dig at Stevie for holding them up or something along those lines.

[Mac_Man_Dan]

what about for those who never been, how will it be???? will i be dissapointed ????

[MacShadowsBall]

I'm glad they are at least planning on touring - sure better that FM doing nothing! :nod:

Hopefully we get something a tad different from the 2009 tour.

[BombaySapphire3]

If rehearsals are really in January, we won't be getting any new music, which is a bummer. But this might be the last time to see these old fogies.

Michele

I'm glad I have a very vivid memory for things that happened in my childhood/youth.I can see and hear in my minds eye the Tusk tour show that I attended in December 1979 like it was last night.That really helps me resist the temptation to cross Mick's and the others palms for their second in a row cash grab tour.

[BLY]

I think the Buckingham Nicks CD will be released next year for its 40th. It will have a second disc with some new recorded stuff and unreleased tracks. The Mac will add 4 to 5 BN tracks to the live set (including Stephanie)This will be their swan song. This makes the most sense a Buckingham Nicks reunion with the audience and the marketing to sell the Buckingham Nicks cd 40 years later to The Fleetwood Mac fan base.

[SteveMacD]

I'll go if there are:

1. A few Buckingham Nicks songs.

2. At least one (preferably two or more) songs from Mystery To Me

At least tour behind the 40th anniversary of SOMETHING worth celebrating...
(Plus, Stevie singing "Hypnotized" could be amazing.)

[SteveMacD]

what about for those who never been, how will it be???? will i be dissapointed ????
Not very if you buy Fleetwood Mac Live, The Dance, or Live In Boston, or a slew of 1982 onward bootlegs, regardless of who's actually in the band.

[CADreaming]

I think the Buckingham Nicks CD will be released next year for its 40th. It will have a second disc with some new recorded stuff and unreleased tracks. The Mac will add 4 to 5 BN tracks to the live set (including Stephanie)This will be their swan song. This makes the most sense a Buckingham Nicks reunion with the audience and the marketing to sell the Buckingham Nicks cd 40 years later to The Fleetwood Mac fan base.

Count me in! That does make sense, especially with Mick saying that FM could do an EP next...

[BombaySapphire3]

I think the Buckingham Nicks CD will be released next year for its 40th. It will have a second disc with some new recorded stuff and unreleased tracks. The Mac will add 4 to 5 BN tracks to the live set (including Stephanie)This will be their swan song. This makes the most sense a Buckingham Nicks reunion with the audience and the marketing to sell the Buckingham Nicks cd 40 years later to The Fleetwood Mac fan base.

That might be enough for me .I can't see it all that happening though.They are more interested in catering to the casual boomer fan as Fleetwood Mac.

[madeline]

We'll read all the fans say it was worth the price of admission just to hear Sister's of the Moon or That's Alright.:laugh

That's funny that you would say that because I just posted on a Stevie thread about why she will never do SOTM again. I mean really she doesn't have the voice for it anymore. But I did suggest that she could do a piano version of it like she did with Rhiannon for the Enchanted box. I mean for a future record not for a tour with FM. Your idea about That's Alright is interesting. I wonder why they never did that song in concert.

[HomerMcvie]

I first saw them when I was 14. I think I prefer to remember them like that, now...

Christine...

No orchestra....

Just Ray adding some acoustic.

The way music was MEANT to be.

REAL.



The music business blows goats now.:wavey:

[BlanketMan]

Much like the Lindsey Buckingham show I saw this week, it all depends on the set list. I could see myself paying top dollar to see them again if they sprinkle enough of my favorites in there.

[D.W-Suite]

what about for those who never been, how will it be???? will i be dissapointed ????

You must be a pretty big fan to have joined a forum about them, so just go and see them, you owe it to yourself. Even if you are apprehensive at first about your decision, you really won't care once they come out on stage.
I went to see them on the Unleashed tour and it was my 1st time seeing them, turned out to be one of the most electric nights of my life. (I suppose front row does help though :laugh: ) Also perhaps alot of it could depend on who your favourite member is too, if you're a Lindsey fan you won't be disappointed anyway, I don't follow Stevie closely enough to tell you what she'd be like live in 2013. Lindsey will still be kicking ass though. Well, not literally (anymore :laugh: )

Just do it :blob2:

[Villavic]

I'm not really sure what the point in touring again is.

I agree a new album would be great, or at least better than only a tour. But I also think the days where a tour supported an album are over (specially for old bands). Nowadays it's viceverse, or albums are even not needed. Tours are more profitable than CDs, iTunes, or any kind of media. With all the piracy and ways to copy music, albums are not a good business, and let's face it, this is a matter of business, specially nowadays.

If they are not touring behind an album it is purely mercenary.Remember Mick's playboy interview? He needs $$$$$.

I never understood why Mick is so hated in this website. I'm not concluding this from the previous quote but from the sum of a lot of threads, cause I always read about blaming on him about his exceeded love for money. I'm not sure about that, but if it is true... so what? If that were a crime I'm sure half of the world would be in jail, and even more. Specially in these days, where all media transmit us messages about loving money, business first, etc.. I'm not surprised.

See the sports, the wealthy sportmen who earn millions for be in a soccer club, not mentioning the tv spots (Gillette, Nike). Same as movies, the movie stars earn millions for playing the Joker or appear in underpants in a giant ad in Times Square. Should we hate Jack Nicholson, Mark Whalberg, Cristiano Ronaldo, Tiger Woods, Diego Maradona, Jaclyn Smith, etc... etc...?

And I'm not sure Mick is the only one who do this for money. Do the others tour just for fun or art's sake? I don't think so.

[Villavic]

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?p=1054775#post1054775

[Mac_Man_Dan]

You must be a pretty big fan to have joined a forum about them, so just go and see them, you owe it to yourself. Even if you are apprehensive at first about your decision, you really won't care once they come out on stage.
I went to see them on the Unleashed tour and it was my 1st time seeing them, turned out to be one of the most electric nights of my life. (I suppose front row does help though :laugh: ) Also perhaps alot of it could depend on who your favourite member is too, if you're a Lindsey fan you won't be disappointed anyway, I don't follow Stevie closely enough to tell you what she'd be like live in 2013. Lindsey will still be kicking ass though. Well, not literally (anymore :laugh: )

Just do it :blob2:

the GF said she may join me :) and yea, might just do so now, its just the price i can imagine it is, never payed much personally. I love both Lindsey and Stevie and to see Stevie live would be like..amazing.....Lindsey's guitaring would be worth seeing....so yea.... might just do it for the hell of it!!!!

[Macfanforever]

I'll be there .Who cares about the setlist.But I would love to see some old tunes added to the setlist.I want to see the group play together.I enjoy the 2009 shows.

[vivfox]

Who cares about the setlist.


You're an easy man to please.

[Macfanforever]

You're an easy man to please.

Yes I am.We are getting older.Yes I do understand.Us fans are sick with the stale setlist.I'll will just deal with it.They are getting older.We don't know when they throw the towel in as a band.

[aleuzzi]

I don't know if I can handle hearing/seeing another performance of Landslide, Rhiannon, Silver Springs, I'm So Afraid, Monday Morning, Go Your Own Way, Dreams, Don't Stop, or the "new" (15-year-old) version of Big Love. With the exception of Big Love and Silver Springs, these songs were pure nostalgia by 1998 anyway.

I would on the other hand, love to hear Storms again, or any of Stevie's Tusk songs, as well as other under-performed tracks from any of their albums, maybe even revisit some of the SYW stuff.

[Neal]

Hopefully we get something a tad different from the 2009 tour.

I have no doubt that's exactly what we will get; something a tad different from the 2009 tour. ;)

Either way I'll be there for at least one show.

[TrueFaith77]

Shouldn't this be in the Rumours section? Maybe it is... anwyay, I will go. I am not happy, though. Stephanie lied to us. I want new music.

[Dodfather]

Shouldn't this be in the Rumours section? Maybe it is... anwyay, I will go. I am not happy, though. Stephanie lied to us. I want new music.

Ummm... this IS the Rumours section. :confused: I deliberately posted it here and not the Stevie forum because, although it's a Stevie quote, it concerns a tour for the band.

[jmn3]

I don't know if I can handle hearing/seeing another performance of Landslide, Rhiannon, Silver Springs, I'm So Afraid, Monday Morning, Go Your Own Way, Dreams, Don't Stop, or the "new" (15-year-old) version of Big Love. With the exception of Big Love and Silver Springs, these songs were pure nostalgia by 1998 anyway.

I agree...the thing is, their catalog has a lot of untapped potential. They could mix up their set a LOT and STILL keep warhorses around like The Chain, Dreams, Gold Dust Woman, Rhiannon, Tusk, Go Your Own Way, Don't Stop.

There should be a set of Buckingham Nicks songs...Crying in the Night, Don't Let Me Down Again, and Frozen Love would be my choices. And if they keep doing a solo song, then I would change that up and have Lindsey do Countdown and Stevie do something else other than Stand Back.

[jmn3]

I never understood why Mick is so hated in this website. I'm not concluding this from the previous quote but from the sum of a lot of threads, cause I always read about blaming on him about his exceeded love for money. I'm not sure about that, but if it is true... so what? If that were a crime I'm sure half of the world would be in jail, and even more. Specially in these days, where all media transmit us messages about loving money, business first, etc.. I'm not surprised.

Never understood this either. As if John, Chris, Lindsey, and Stevie tour for some greater artistic meaning. Please, this is their job...they do this because they make money doing it (same reason I work). They may love their job (making music), and be very good at it, but they do it to make money. Crapping on Mick for looking to make a buck is juvenile when it gets brought up. Who cares? If I was Mick Fleetwood I would be milking the Fleetwood Mac brand as much as I could to generate as much out of it while I still can enjoy it.

[MikeInNV]

Never understood this either. As if John, Chris, Lindsey, and Stevie tour for some greater artistic meaning. Please, this is their job...they do this because they make money doing it (same reason I work). They may love their job (making music), and be very good at it, but they do it to make money. Crapping on Mick for looking to make a buck is juvenile when it gets brought up. Who cares? If I was Mick Fleetwood I would be milking the Fleetwood Mac brand as much as I could to generate as much out of it while I still can enjoy it.

I think what annyos people is that Mick is so bad with money management. His bandmates have made him quite a lot over the years, and yet he is often in financial straits. There's no doubt they all WANT to make a lot of money, but after Rumours, it's a bit absurd that any band member would ever NEED money.

[michelej1]

Now we have 6 months to guess the name of the tour. Unleashed was so stupid and antithetical to what and who they are. They should call this one Bound.

Michele

[MacShadowsBall]

Shouldn't this be in the Rumours section? Maybe it is... anwyay, I will go. I am not happy, though. Stephanie lied to us. I want new music.

Ummm... this IS the Rumours section. :confused: I deliberately posted it here and not the Stevie forum because, although it's a Stevie quote, it concerns a tour for the band.

There's more discussion about the Fleetwood Mac tour on the "Stevie" forum that on the "Fleetwood Mac" forum. I suppose an argument can be made that the thread on Stevie's forum is more about Stevie's involvement and her fan's wishes for her to continue on solo - tour/album. :shrug:

I agree with others as I too don't understand all this Mick Fleetwood hate. His contributions seem to always be dismissed since he isn't a singer/songwriter.

Mick just plays drums...;)

[SteveMacD]

I don't know if I can handle hearing/seeing another performance of...or the "new" (15-year-old) version of Big Love.
More like 20 year old. Lindsey's been playing THAT version since 1993.

[sushud82]

Now we have 6 months to guess the name of the tour. Unleashed was so stupid and antithetical to what and who they are. They should call this one Bound.

Michele

Ha. I was thinking something along the lines of "Alimony." :sorry:

Susan

[HomerMcvie]

I agree with others as I too don't understand all this Mick Fleetwood hate. His contributions seem to always be dismissed since he isn't a singer/songwriter.

Mick just plays drums...;)
I don't hate him, but I do think he's pretty dumb.

[michelej1]

I love Mick and I think he's the glue that's held everything together all of this time. You know, they love him and that's why he can persuade them to do things to which they are opposed.

But he's kind of duplicitous and not above light stabs in the back.

Michele

[Fannymac]

Who cares?!?!? I don't want another half-baked tour!!!! These guys are becoming nothing more than a Vegas lounge hits act!! Put an album out, for God's sake!!!:distress:

[TrueFaith77]

Count me in! That does make sense, especially with Mick saying that FM could do an EP next...

I do not understand this EP thing. I think some young unestablished artists release EPs to pay for the next batch of studio time for the next EP and to build up fanbase. Example: Florrie has consitently been releasing the best pop music of the 2010s--20 songs! 3 EPs plus 8 other singles/free downloads. But what I don't get is... why not release those 20 friggin amazing songs in a double album or two albums? Anyway... what would be the point for the Mac... unless the EP were attached to a re-release of Rumours. :laugh: ... or B/N?

[tabruns]

I'd really love to see new music first. But, can't really blame the band when so many fair weather fans at the concerts only react to the hits. You know how it goes....new song comes on, people file for the bathrooms.

[BLY]

I'm telling you it's going to be the release of the Buckingham Nicks cd with Fleetwood Mac supporting it with a tour.

[britt0308]

I'm telling you it's going to be the release of the Buckingham Nicks cd with Fleetwood Mac supporting it with a tour.

Ah, seriously don't put that thought in my and everyone else's heads!! :o
That's what I'm praying happens..

Like what most people are saying, Lindsey and Stevie are arguably putting out some of their best and relevant work right now. And although a cash tour is an easy way out..which they've given into before..I can't see how they CAN'T do something EP or BN re release related. It wouldn't make sense!!!! But then again why have these guys ever made sense?! :laugh:

[michelej1]

I do not understand this EP thing. I think some young unestablished artists release EPs to pay for the next batch of studio time for the next EP and to build up fanbase. Example: Florrie has consitently been releasing the best pop music of the 2010s--20 songs! 3 EPs plus 8 other singles/free downloads. But what I don't get is... why not release those 20 friggin amazing songs in a double album or two albums? Anyway... what would be the point for the Mac... unless the EP were attached to a re-release of Rumours. :laugh: ... or B/N?

Well, when we have suggested the EP compromise before, it was as a way to get them in and out of the studio quickly, if some members are not up to spending 6-12 months putting out a complete album.

Michele

[BLY]

I think the most doable is... Stevie and Lindsey recording a few new tracks and adding that to some "unreleased" stuff with the original Buckingham Nicks recordings is only thing that can happen....not to mention the 40th anniversary of the album.

[Macfanforever]

I think the most doable is... Stevie and Lindsey recording a few new tracks and adding that to some "unreleased" stuff with the original Buckingham Nicks recordings is only thing that can happen....not to mention the 40th anniversary of the album.

I forgot about the Buckingham Nicks 40th anniversary of the album is coming up.Maybe a legit CD release.

[WildHearted]

I think the most doable is... Stevie and Lindsey recording a few new tracks and adding that to some "unreleased" stuff with the original Buckingham Nicks recordings is only thing that can happen....not to mention the 40th anniversary of the album.

I would be perfectly okay with this.

[bombaysaffires]

I would be perfectly okay with this.

Where's the Like button?

[MacShadowsBall]

Most everybody seems to be talking about Stevie going back to FM, yet not much is said in regards to Lindsey going back to FM.

So I'm curious - what do Ledgies who are mainly Lindsey fan's think of him switching from his solo stage back to FM?

[TrueFaith77]

Most everybody seems to be talking about Stevie going back to FM, yet not much is said in regards to Lindsey going back to FM.

So I'm curious - what do Ledgies who are mainly Lindsey fan's think of him switching from his solo stage back to FM?

He belongs with the Mac. They all do.

[elle]

Most everybody seems to be talking about Stevie going back to FM, yet not much is said in regards to Lindsey going back to FM.

So I'm curious - what do Ledgies who are mainly Lindsey fan's think of him switching from his solo stage back to FM?

you are very nice to ask.:xoxo:

told Lindsey that if he *must* go back to big machine next year, to at least consider adding Walk A Thin Line to the set. he seemed to have liked that suggestion a lot... and it was still stuck in his head the next day. hope he still remembers it when they start putting together the setlist.

(aren't these m&gs great?? how many times have i written in different threads here and everywhere else how much i want to hear WATL live?! and finally had a chance to talk to him about it in person.:) )

[jbrownsjr]

you are very nice to ask.:xoxo:

told Lindsey that if he *must* go back to big machine next year, to at least consider adding Walk A Thin Line to the set. he seemed to have liked that suggestion a lot... and it was still stuck in his head the next day. hope he still remembers it when they start putting together the setlist.

(aren't these m&gs great?? how many times have i written in different threads here and everywhere else how much i want to hear WATL live?! and finally had a chance to talk to him about it in person.:) )

Elle, tell him I want to hear "That's All For Everyone"!!

[billwebster]

I guess it's not too late yet for them to record a new album. They really should make one.

[elle]

Elle, tell him I want to hear "That's All For Everyone"!!

lol. he's back in Cali. and *i* don't like TAFE ;):sorry:... maybe he comes somewhere close to you on his next tour leg so you can tell him?:D

[jbrownsjr]

lol. he's back in Cali. and *i* don't like TAFE ;):sorry:... maybe he comes somewhere close to you on his next tour leg so you can tell him?:D

Actually I don't live far from him. Probably about 10 miles or so. I'll tell him to play both tunes.. :D;)

[holidayroad]

I guess it's not too late yet for them to record a new album. They really should make one.

I completely agree!

Most everybody seems to be talking about Stevie going back to FM, yet not much is said in regards to Lindsey going back to FM.

So I'm curious - what do Ledgies who are mainly Lindsey fan's think of him switching from his solo stage back to FM?

I'm fine with it. I really want to see at least one more FM album!

[TrueFaith77]

It would be so easy to make an album. 5 songs each. 10 songs. That's an album. That's all you need. They already have 5 songs each in the can.

[Peestie]

It would be so easy to make an album. 5 songs each. 10 songs. That's an album. That's all you need. They already have 5 songs each in the can.

I don't think their problem is writing songs. They both must have countless songs in the vault somewhere. Their problem is getting everyone in the same place for long enough to record but not for so long that it doesn't lead to them all falling out.

[nightbird28]

I'd probably only go see the whole band again if they do at least 3 out of any of these songs:

Caroline
Tango in The Night
Family Man
When I See you Again
Book of Love
Empire State
Can't go Back
That's Alright
Straight Back
Fireflies
Frozen Love that should speak for itself be worth the 150 dollar ticket price.
Twisted would be fun to hear especially if they do a rock version.
Lola
Crying in the Night
Crystal
Don't Let me Down Again
That's Enough for Me
Walk a thin Line
.......... The catalouge goes on and on.

I'd really just want a high energy show from them. I've seen stevie 5 times and it seems like she was at a high in 2001 then it just became the same over and over again. Lindsey I'd go see again anyday. Fleetwood I've seen 2 times on each leg of SYW will tour.

I think we should get some request as fans set it up online. The song with the most votes gets played that night.

[elle]

Actually I don't live far from him. Probably about 10 miles or so. I'll tell him to play both tunes.. :D;)

:laugh: should've read that you are in LA.

and - sounds good to me! :D

[WildHearted]

I'd probably only go see the whole band again if they do at least 3 out of any of these songs:

Caroline
Tango in The Night
Family Man
When I See you Again
Book of Love
Empire State
Can't go Back
That's Alright
Straight Back
Fireflies
Frozen Love that should speak for itself be worth the 150 dollar ticket price.
Twisted would be fun to hear especially if they do a rock version.
Lola
Crying in the Night
Crystal
Don't Let me Down Again
That's Enough for Me
Walk a thin Line
.......... The catalouge goes on and on.

I'd really just want a high energy show from them. I've seen stevie 5 times and it seems like she was at a high in 2001 then it just became the same over and over again. Lindsey I'd go see again anyday. Fleetwood I've seen 2 times on each leg of SYW will tour.

I think we should get some request as fans set it up online. The song with the most votes gets played that night.

That would be a great idea. HANSON did something similar - they let you vote for an album, which would be played all the way through in the set that night. At one point they also let fans vote for the cover song they would do.

[Christopher]

In this recent interview, Stevie pretty much declares FM will do another "Greatest Hits" tour in 2013! :cool:
http://www.kshe95.com/musicnews/story.aspx?ID=1727377

"Despite several postponements, 2013 will be the year that Fleetwood Mac heads back on the road. The band last toured in 2009; marking the first time they embarked on a major road trek without promoting a new album. We just caught up with Stevie Nicks, who told us that once again, Fleetwood Mac will be touring on the strength of it's back catalogue with rehearsals on the books for the beginning of 2013: "I'm taking the rest of this year for my In Your Dreams record that I love so much, and then 2013 is Fleetwood Mac, 'cause we're in rehearsal in January."

In Your Dreams -- which is Nicks' seventh and latest solo studio album -- was co-produced by the Eurythmics' Dave Stewart, who also co-wrote seven of the album's 13 songs. The album also includes the song, "Everybody Loves You" -- which was written about Lindsey Buckingham.

In Your Dreams entered the Billboard 200 chart at Number Six and sold 52,000 copies during its first week of release."

[FM77]

In this recent interview, Stevie pretty much declares FM will do another "Greatest Hits" tour in 2013! :cool:
http://www.kshe95.com/musicnews/story.aspx?ID=1727377

"Despite several postponements, 2013 will be the year that Fleetwood Mac heads back on the road. The band last toured in 2009; marking the first time they embarked on a major road trek without promoting a new album. We just caught up with Stevie Nicks, who told us that once again, Fleetwood Mac will be touring on the strength of it's back catalogue with rehearsals on the books for the beginning of 2013: "I'm taking the rest of this year for my In Your Dreams record that I love so much, and then 2013 is Fleetwood Mac, 'cause we're in rehearsal in January."

In Your Dreams -- which is Nicks' seventh and latest solo studio album -- was co-produced by the Eurythmics' Dave Stewart, who also co-wrote seven of the album's 13 songs. The album also includes the song, "Everybody Loves You" -- which was written about Lindsey Buckingham.

In Your Dreams entered the Billboard 200 chart at Number Six and sold 52,000 copies during its first week of release."

How much do they really need to rehearse Rumours? Seriously.

[michelej1]

How much do they really need to rehearse Rumours? Seriously.

I know. 'On the strength of their back catalog' indeed.

It's like Christine said she could do Don't Stop with her hands tied behind her back. They should be able to roll out of bed, half asleep, and stumble onto the tour stage with no preparation at all if they aren't doing any new songs.

Michele

[michelej1]

In addition to repeating the 2013 tour news, a couple of the outlets are just randomly saying that ELY is about LB. I mean she's talked about it before, but why mention that and not discuss meaning of the other songs. I wonder if ELY is something that she discussed on the red carpet.

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/69982109.html

Michele

[Macfanforever]

I figure by now they done the songs 1000's of times.The rehearsals should be easy and fast.The good thing about doing them is testing the equipment out after some was in storage for some time , and make sure it works before it gets loaded for the road trip.

[CADreaming]

And changing that sequencing, the most important part. :nod:

[Dodfather]

IThe album also includes the song, "Everybody Loves You" -- which was written about Lindsey Buckingham.



Was it?? Has Stevie ever said who/what this song is actually about?

[WildHearted]

Was it?? Has Stevie ever said who/what this song is actually about?

Yes, it was written about Lindsey. Stevie said it.

Dave sent her "Everybody loves you / But you're so alone / Everybody knows your name / But you can't find your way home / No one really knows you / I'm the only one" and she just KNEW those words HAD to be about people in a duo, so she was inspired to pull the rest of the lyrics for the song out of stuff she had written about Lindsey. Personally I doubt Dave was even thinking of Annie Lennox when he wrote those lyrics - he could have written them about his pet chihuahua.

[poetinmyheart]

Was it?? Has Stevie ever said who/what this song is actually about?

I have this quote on my tumblr: “A duo is a different breed of cat….Only [we] really understand this song. Fall in love with a person for who they are. Fall in love with them again - for what they do. Rare…” I've posted it as Stevie talking about ELY, but I can't for the life of me find where I got it from. I initially thought it was in the cd booklet, but checked and it's not. Wasn't there brief explanations about each track on the album on the itunes download? Perhaps that's where it's from :shrug:

[CADreaming]

Was it?? Has Stevie ever said who/what this song is actually about?

“I immediately took it like he was writing that about Annie Lennox, because that sounded like a person from a duo writing a song about the other person in the duo. And what Dave and I had that was great was that we’d both been in really famous duos, so the whole time we were making this record, I feel like Lindsey and Annie were floating around in the room. Because a lot of the stuff that we both wrote seemed to be directed to our years as famous people in duos.”

"The reason Dave wrote the chorus the way he did was because of his relationship with Annie Lennox. So we had two duos. Dave understood. He's the same way with Annie -- 'Everybody loves you. . . no one really knows you, I'm the only one' -- I'm the only one that knew you before you were famous. So I let the song go ahead and be about Lindsey, and he let the song be about Annie."

“The words to ‘Everybody Loves You’ came from a poem that’s pretty old, like maybe 12 years old, that was definitely written about [Buckingham]. Where it says, ‘No one else can play that part. No voice of a stranger could play that part/It broke my heart,’ that’s pretty much all about Lindsey.”

“I felt he wrote it about Annie Lennox, because when you’re in a duo you really know that person better than anybody else. So I flipped it around and wrote the verses about me and Lindsey.”

[jbrownsjr]

“I immediately took it like he was writing that about Annie Lennox, because that sounded like a person from a duo writing a song about the other person in the duo. And what Dave and I had that was great was that we’d both been in really famous duos, so the whole time we were making this record, I feel like Lindsey and Annie were floating around in the room. Because a lot of the stuff that we both wrote seemed to be directed to our years as famous people in duos.”

"The reason Dave wrote the chorus the way he did was because of his relationship with Annie Lennox. So we had two duos. Dave understood. He's the same way with Annie -- 'Everybody loves you. . . no one really knows you, I'm the only one' -- I'm the only one that knew you before you were famous. So I let the song go ahead and be about Lindsey, and he let the song be about Annie."

“The words to ‘Everybody Loves You’ came from a poem that’s pretty old, like maybe 12 years old, that was definitely written about [Buckingham]. Where it says, ‘No one else can play that part. No voice of a stranger could play that part/It broke my heart,’ that’s pretty much all about Lindsey.”

“I felt he wrote it about Annie Lennox, because when you’re in a duo you really know that person better than anybody else. So I flipped it around and wrote the verses about me and Lindsey.”

Thanks for posting.. very interesting..

[BombaySapphire3]

Glad that Stevie told the truth about it being another 'greatest hits' tour with not a note of new music.And to think Mick was criticizing her for touring behind an album released last year.Well there's a couple hundred bucks I'll be saving next year.

[FM77]

They should perform BN in it's entirety, intermission, then come back and play hits. They would sell tons of tickets. Since Christine won't go out, they have room to add the BN songs.

[CADreaming]

They should perform BN in it's entirety, intermission, then come back and play hits. They would sell tons of tickets. Since Christine won't go out, they have room to add the BN songs.

Love the concept. We'll probably get the FM set with 2 BN songs if we're lucky. Boo.

[FM77]

Exactly. Stevie is very afraid of doing new material with FM because she says everyone coming to see them want to hear the hits. I know you have to play Rhiannon, Go Your Own Way, Don't Stop, Dreams...but why not Angel or That's Alright or Sisters of the Moon? That isn't new material. She also said around Christmas that FM won't do a new record because no one buys records. I think she has been frustrated by the sales and lack of support for IYD which I get. But FM has enough of a catalog that they could do a fresh tour with songs already recorded.

[WildHearted]

Exactly. Stevie is very afraid of doing new material with FM because she says everyone coming to see them want to hear the hits. I know you have to play Rhiannon, Go Your Own Way, Don't Stop, Dreams...but why not Angel or That's Alright or Sisters of the Moon? That isn't new material. She also said around Christmas that FM won't do a new record because no one buys records. I think she has been frustrated by the sales and lack of support for IYD which I get. But FM has enough of a catalog that they could do a fresh tour with songs already recorded.

I agree.

They could still do a tour without having a new release and play "new" old songs that haven't been played in decades or at all.

[CADreaming]

Exactly. Stevie is very afraid of doing new material with FM because she says everyone coming to see them want to hear the hits. I know you have to play Rhiannon, Go Your Own Way, Don't Stop, Dreams...but why not Angel or That's Alright or Sisters of the Moon? That isn't new material. She also said around Christmas that FM won't do a new record because no one buys records. I think she has been frustrated by the sales and lack of support for IYD which I get. But FM has enough of a catalog that they could do a fresh tour with songs already recorded.

I agree.

They could still do a tour without having a new release and play "new" old songs that haven't been played in decades or at all.

Not to mention, if she's been touting her new found idea on her current tour of doing a "non greatest hits" set... which is really about half and half with a cover thrown in... then why would it be so awful to give the FM set a good shake up by doing a third BN, a third old ignored FM album cuts/set list songs, and a third of the true hits: Rhiannon, GYOW, Gypsy, etc.

I wish they would listen to their fans. We have good ideas. Michele's right about new arrangements, for instance. Gypsy acoustic would be awesome. Lindsey changed Go Insane back to it's original arrangement on the last FM tour. Some changes are definitely in order. Put in Stephanie and drop NGBA and Big Love.

The diehards are the ones you're playing to anyway and they will love it. The others are just coming to get drunk and to say they saw FM, so they'll never even notice, because they're the ones in the audience going, "Oh, wow -- I didn't know they did this song!" :rolleyes:

[elle]

Not to mention, if she's been touting her new found idea on her current tour of doing a "non greatest hits" set... which is really about half and half with a cover thrown in... then why would it be so awful to give the FM set a good shake up by doing a third BN, a third old ignored FM album cuts/set list songs, and a third of the true hits: Rhiannon, GYOW, Gypsy, etc.

I wish they would listen to their fans. We have good ideas. Michele's right about new arrangements, for instance. Gypsy acoustic would be awesome. Lindsey changed Go Insane back to it's original arrangement on the last FM tour. Some changes are definitely in order. Put in Stephanie and drop NGBA and Big Love.

i really hope both Lindsey and Stevie are on board with this idea for the next FM tour. when i talked to Lindsey he certainly seemed to be. and now Stevie seems to be saying the same thing.

actually, that's how all Lindsey's solo sets were/are constructed - about half hits and half new songs and/or deep cuts.

but Big Love can never leave the set. however many times i heard it live it was ALWAYS spectacular. same with So Afraid.

[bombaysaffires]

“I immediately took it like he was writing that about Annie Lennox, because that sounded like a person from a duo writing a song about the other person in the duo. And what Dave and I had that was great was that we’d both been in really famous duos, so the whole time we were making this record, I feel like Lindsey and Annie were floating around in the room. Because a lot of the stuff that we both wrote seemed to be directed to our years as famous people in duos.”



That's because Stevie takes EVERYTHING to be about two people who were in a duo.... I agree that Dave could have been writing about anything at all.. I don't think he's fixated on his past with Annie Lennox the way Stevie is fixated...sometimes just stuck.. on her relationship with Lindsey.

I start to wonder if it's just laziness...or something... why think of new, different, things to write about when you can go back to that same old well over and over and over and over again....... Her really early songs (before FM) had a broader variety of themes and characters.

Sometimes I'd like to challenge her to write a song that doesn't use the words "broke my heart" (i'm going to have to back and count how many times that shows up on IYD), "tears", "dreams", "angel".....

[CADreaming]

^Idk about that. Dave seems pretty fixated on his glory days with Annie to me. He posts pics and sweet comments and memories of her often.

[Villavic]

They should perform BN in it's entirety, intermission, then come back and play hits. They would sell tons of tickets.

Don't know if tons of tickets (let's face it, it's not Dark Side of the Moon), but it should be interesting.

[sushud82]

i really hope both Lindsey and Stevie are on board with this idea for the next FM tour. when i talked to Lindsey he certainly seemed to be. and now Stevie seems to be saying the same thing.

actually, that's how all Lindsey's solo sets were/are constructed - about half hits and half new songs and/or deep cuts.

but Big Love can never leave the set. however many times i heard it live it was ALWAYS spectacular. same with So Afraid.

Same here. I think you should try to get this point across when you do your next Tour de Lindsey! ;)

I remember in 2009 when Stevie said Unleashed would be our only chance to see FM do a "greatest hits" re-hash. Maybe she was being honest in a way and they'll do deep cuts. A girl can dream....:rolleyes:

Susan

[FM77]

Don't know if tons of tickets (let's face it, it's not Dark Side of the Moon), but it should be interesting.

Well, they probably wouldn't have to paper the upper balcony like they did in many cities on the last tour. I think die hard fans would go to shows or even multiple shows if they rolled out other material. These are the people that buy the majority of the tickets. If die hards stay away because it's a re-hash of the last two tours for $125, then you have lost your base.

Considering that Stevie and Lindsey will have been on the road for 18 mos with solo projects, many fans will have seen one or both recently as well. They will need to do something different to excite promoters and fans.

[TrueFaith77]

She also said around Christmas that FM won't do a new record because no one buys records.

Tell that to The Eagles.

[jbrownsjr]

Tell that to The Eagles.

Rush just released Clockwork Angels, it sold 110,000 copies and debuted at #2 the first week.

[sushud82]

^The new Beach Boys' album didn't do too poorly either!

[BombaySapphire3]

The Eagles Long Road out of Eden had the advantage of being their first studio album since 1979 plus their exclusive deal with the devil er Walmart helped propel sales in 2007 ..not sure if even that would work out so well today.

[TrueFaith77]

Well now we know it's all about the sales for ms. nicks.

[sushud82]

I'm supposing the problem is the need to make money. With a new album, they couldn't tour for at least another year, right? I mean, they can't just go into the studio and whip something out in a few months. Rather, they maybe could, but they won't.

There's truth in SN's statement about no one buying records, but my assumption is that their general audience (boomers) makes up a significant portion of the people actually still buying physical records. They could work out a similar deal to The Eagles and see some success, but do you think the label is willing to gamble on new material again? I'm not sure how much money they put into SYW...did they make much profit on it?

Susan

[CADreaming]

Why does anyone think artists are only in it for the "art"? That's just absurd! This is a business. Of course they want to make money. Lol!

[jbrownsjr]

^The new Beach Boys' album didn't do too poorly either!

Correct I saw that too... :woohoo:

[jbrownsjr]

Why does anyone think artists are only in it for the "art"? That's just absurd! This is a business. Of course they want to make money. Lol!

I go to work totally for the art of working. So don't assume!

and if you believe that, stand on your head too.. ;)

[David]

Why does anyone think artists are only in it for the "art"? That's just absurd! This is a business. Of course they want to make money. Lol!Absolutely true. The expectation that money is, or should be, the farthest thing from an artist's mind is a silly throwback to the bohemianism of the 1960s.

But why do the members of Fleetwood Mac need to make quite so much money when they tour? They've all been making Big Money all their adult lives. Can't they do one micro-tour, playing exactly the sorts of venues that Buckingham and Fleetwood do when they play solo? They book themselves into arenas and amphitheaters every tour, and therefore have to be "Fleetwood Mac" to everyone involved: audiences of half a million to a million, bookers, lawyers, agents, and the press—all for one purpose: to pocket several million dollars. What would be so bad about doing a single tour as "fleetwood mac" (lowercase), playing new songs (or old songs that never get played) in little theaters for a few months, keeping the backing low key, and if necessary footing the bill for their own traveling?

Nobody expects this band of multimillionaires to turn against capitalism all of a sudden. But why have they all turned their entire creative lives as a band into a marketing onslaught? Is it that painful that the need for enormous compensation is so great? Did they get so sick of Rumours that they needed to release its material on twenty different CDs over the years?

Even in a Big Business like rock and roll, this band has been stand-out crassly commercial since it hit #1 on the charts. I think their brains have experienced a Darwinian adaptation to recognize only the reality of the dollar.

[TrueFaith77]

Why does anyone think artists are only in it for the "art"? That's just absurd! This is a business. Of course they want to make money. Lol!

I never said that. So you are making an argument against a straw man.

[BombaySapphire3]

Absolutely true. The expectation that money is, or should be, the farthest thing from an artist's mind is a silly throwback to the bohemianism of the 1960s.

But why do the members of Fleetwood Mac need to make quite so much money when they tour? They've all been making Big Money all their adult lives. Can't they do one micro-tour, playing exactly the sorts of venues that Buckingham and Fleetwood do when they play solo? They book themselves into arenas and amphitheaters every tour, and therefore have to be "Fleetwood Mac" to everyone involved: audiences of half a million to a million, bookers, lawyers, agents, and the press—all for one purpose: to pocket several million dollars. What would be so bad about doing a single tour as "fleetwood mac" (lowercase), playing new songs (or old songs that never get played) in little theaters for a few months, keeping the backing low key, and if necessary footing the bill for their own traveling?

Nobody expects this band of multimillionaires to turn against capitalism all of a sudden. But why have they all turned their entire creative lives as a band into a marketing onslaught? Is it that painful that the need for enormous compensation is so great? Did they get so sick of Rumours that they needed to release its material on twenty different CDs over the years?

Even in a Big Business like rock and roll, this band has been stand-out crassly commercial since it hit #1 on the charts. I think their brains have experienced a Darwinian adaptation to recognize only the reality of the dollar.

Not sure if you recall a Mirage era interview with Christine only (I'm thinking US magazine) in which she stated that if Mirage had not gone to number one that Fleetwood Mac would probably have disbanded .So this mindset in the band has apparently been going on for years.

[sushud82]

Why does anyone think artists are only in it for the "art"? That's just absurd! This is a business. Of course they want to make money. Lol!

If the art was at the forefront, I believe a new record would be more of an option. But who knows, maybe the shenanigans from this tour will give them a bounty of new material to source from. ;)

I believe Stevie & Lindsey are comfortable financially. Lindsey probably doesn't need to tour small venues or do meet & greets - he's doing it because he wants to and that's great! I mean, he could probably just sit on his duff and bathe in money if he wanted to. But he also has 3 kids and kids aren't cheap!

Mick is opening a nice looking new restaurant and is getting a divorce with kids involved; also not cheap.

More and more artists are just touring these days because there's no money to be made in albums. I don't think there's any shame in it. Everybody's gotta make a living. If Fleetwood Mac can afford to make an album without expecting it to make bank, I believe they should go for it, but that's not really my decision, unfortunately!

[CADreaming]

I never said that. So you are making an argument against a straw man.

Um. Ok.

Rephrase: Why would you think Stevie shouldn't be in it for the money? Or why do you insinuate that she is wicked, evil, mean and nasty because "it's all about the sales for her"?

I don't think she's ever made any bones about wanting the money and enjoying the benefits of having a lot of it.

[WildHearted]

Um. Ok.

Rephrase: Why would you think Stevie shouldn't be in it for the money? Or why do you insinuate that she is wicked, evil, mean and nasty because "it's all about the sales for her"?

I don't think she's ever made any bones about wanting the money and enjoying the benefits of having a lot of it.

Stevie loves being a famous rock star and all the benefits that comes with... who wouldn't?

And as much as I'm sure DOES love the art of it, too, but of course it's also about money - Stevie doesn't do anything else. This is her livelihood and her carreer. Sure, she could probably live for the rest of her life (given a somewhat more toned down lifestyle, perhaps), off what she already has and the royalties that will keep coming in and never have to tour again or put out another album or step out in public.. but if she wants to continue her current lifestyle and she is able to do that by touring and stuff, why shouldn't she?

[CADreaming]

Stevie loves being a famous rock star and all the benefits that comes with... who wouldn't?

And as much as I'm sure DOES love the art of it, too, but of course it's also about money - Stevie doesn't do anything else. This is her livelihood and her carreer. Sure, she could probably live for the rest of her life (given a somewhat more toned down lifestyle, perhaps), off what she already has and the royalties that will keep coming in and never have to tour again or put out another album or step out in public.. but if she wants to continue her current lifestyle and she is able to do that by touring and stuff, why shouldn't she?

Totally agree!

And, she's got expensive taste!

[CADreaming]

I go to work totally for the art of working. So don't assume!

and if you believe that, stand on your head too.. ;)

:laugh::laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

Totally agree!

And, she's got expensive taste!

Can you imagine the shopping she and Christine did when they first got some scratch!!?? I mean.. they are sophisticated ladies of taste..

[FM77]

Stevie can't be making a bunch of money on this solo tour...yes she gets her guarantee but she has a lot of musicians to pay as well. I saw a Groupon offer for Va Beach tix. At least Lindsey tours lean and mean and plays smaller venues. He wants $$ too...his wife spends it quickly plus he has three kids etc...his expenses are growing. Literally.

[TrueFaith77]

Um. Ok.

Rephrase: Why would you think Stevie shouldn't be in it for the money? Or why do you insinuate that she is wicked, evil, mean and nasty because "it's all about the sales for her"?

I also don't see how that insinuation could be made from my statement. The thing to disagree with me about would be to say: She's not ONLY in it for the money; there are surely artistic or even social or recreational incentives as well, I could even surmise, although I didn't "insinuate" as much.

[CADreaming]

I also don't see how that insinuation could be made from my statement. The thing to disagree with me about would be to say: She's not ONLY in it for the money; there are surely artistic or even social or recreational incentives as well, I could even surmise, although I didn't "insinuate" as much.

You said now we know she's only in it for the money, as if that was a bad thing. That's how the statement reads and I'm sure that is how you meant it. Unless, of course you were saying well, now we know she is only in it for the money - ballyhoo for her! That's where the "insinuation" comes in. ;)

And, I do disagree; I don't think she only does it for the money. I think it is her prime motivation at this point in her life. The integrity of the art is always sold somewhere along the way.

[WildHearted]

Stevie can't be making a bunch of money on this solo tour...yes she gets her guarantee but she has a lot of musicians to pay as well. I saw a Groupon offer for Va Beach tix. At least Lindsey tours lean and mean and plays smaller venues. He wants $$ too...his wife spends it quickly plus he has three kids etc...his expenses are growing. Literally.

Well, they did cut out Lenny Castro this time around.

And she's also doing the Rod tour which, according to what I've read around these parts, is just a cash grab since it will bring her more $$$$ than usual.

[TrueFaith77]

You said now we know she's only in it for the money, as if that was a bad thing. That's how the statement reads and I'm sure that is how you meant it. Unless, of course you were saying well, now we know she is only in it for the money - ballyhoo for her! That's where the "insinuation" comes in. ;)

And, I do disagree; I don't think she only does it for the money. I think it is her prime motivation at this point in her life. The integrity of the art is always sold somewhere along the way.

My insinuation was: Now WE know she's only in it for the money. Meaning: No more reading the tea leaves; we need to watch when it's favorable economically to determine when we will--if ever--get new Mac music. So I guess you failed at mind-reading me.

[CADreaming]

My insinuation was: Now WE know she's only in it for the money. Meaning: No more reading the tea leaves; we need to watch when it's favorable economically to determine when we will--if ever--get new Mac music. So I guess you failed at mind-reading me.

I didn't fail at mind-reading. I wasn't trying to read your mind. You failed in your sentence structure.

You stated that WE now know, so that part wasn't insinuated. The Mac thought would definitely be your insinuation, although since they weren't even mentioned that would be a really difficult to conclude. You worded it so the reader would assume you were being derogatory toward Stevie's quest for financial gain.

Were you not?

[TrueFaith77]

I didn't fail at mind-reading. I wasn't trying to read your mind. You failed in your sentence structure.

You stated that WE now know, so that part wasn't insinuated. The Mac thought would definitely be your insinuation, although since they weren't even mentioned that would be a really difficult to conclude. You worded it so the reader would assume you were being derogatory toward Stevie's quest for financial gain.

Were you not?

I think it was a failure of sentence structure only if I did not take into account how defensive her fans sometimes get about every statement made about her. And I admit: I did not.

[CADreaming]

I think it was a failure of sentence structure only if I did not take into account how defensive her fans sometimes get about every statement made about her. And I admit: I did not.

Lol. Right. I wasn't being so defensive of her as much as I was pointing out that it's a business, with making money being the primary goal.

[TrueFaith77]

Lol. Right. I wasn't being so defensive of her as much as I was pointing out that it's a business, with making money being the primary goal.

You imposed a tone upon my rather innocuous sentence (i mean, you really made a big leap there). I maintain that is because of either a) your defensiveness about stevie nicks or b) your prejudices against me.

You wrote:

You worded it so the reader would assume you were being derogatory toward Stevie's quest for financial gain.

Or why do you insinuate that she is wicked, evil, mean and nasty because "it's all about the sales for her"?

There is nothing in my sentence that suggested being derogatory much less suggested I was thinking: "wicked," "evil," "mean," "nasty." You claim that a derogatory tone could be gleaned by my "sentence structure." What possibly in my sentence structure = wicked evil mean nasty?

Here is my sentence:

"Well now we know it's all about the sales for ms. nicks."

"Well" would suggest "resignation" on my part

"now" -- as opposed to before

"we" would suggest all of us (meaning: I'm referring to the participants in this thread's parsing of the possibilility of new material)

"know" means that we now have information

"all" that's where it's arguable; she may other considerations in making music, but not in actually releasing it, is my point. thus: all. I stand by it. Even if i'm wrong.

"the" -- maybe the gratuitous use of "the" suggested the phrase "the moolah" or something and that could be read as somehow suggesting greed (rather than calculation), but I think I meant it like "the sales" to mean "the circumstances surrounding sales, i.e., the market"

"sales" the state of the record industry, the circumstances for moving units

"ms. nicks" -- now I see. I didn't capitalize her name! and I called her ms. (because i had forgetten how y'all refer to her as "la" or whatever). Yes: lower-case and ms. = mean evil nasty wicked. You caught me!!!!! Best not make that mistake again. :rolleyes: Move over, Roland Barthes. When, in fact, the tone in which it was intended was like Sherlock Holmes with his pipe: as if I had solved a mystery (not that it was all great shakes to solve anyway).

[MrStevie]

"all" that's where it's arguable; she may other considerations in making music, but not in actually releasing it, is my point. thus: all. I stand by it. Even if i'm wrong.

It would be highly arguable if you used "only" but "all" still leaves some wiggle room for me. :laugh:

I don't think Stevie writes, records, or tours ONLY for the money. She's totally in it for the fame. :laugh: She could stop working tomorrow and she'd still be flush. Isn't she due her Social Security next May?:D

Serioulsy, I think touring has more to do with everyone else who makes a living when she tours, and why she still does it regularly. Oh, let's not forget the fame too.:D:laugh:

As for recording, I can see why there's a lack of desire to work seriously on a new Mac release, knowing in advance there's a limited audience. I don't think it should play the key role in her decision making, and I'm not sure it does. Band politics are probably more at issue than anything else. Things we don't know about or ever hear about likely come up in the negotiations of recording and releasing new music, and that stuff is a turn off for both Nicks and Buckingham.

[CADreaming]

:lYou imposed a tone upon my rather innocuous sentence (i mean, you really made a big leap there). I maintain that is because of either a) your defensiveness about stevie nicks or b) your prejudices against me.

You wrote:

You worded it so the reader would assume you were being derogatory toward Stevie's quest for financial gain.

Or why do you insinuate that she is wicked, evil, mean and nasty because "it's all about the sales for her"?

There is nothing in my sentence that suggested being derogatory much less suggested I was thinking: "wicked," "evil," "mean," "nasty." You claim that a derogatory tone could be gleaned by my "sentence structure." What possibly in my sentence structure = wicked evil mean nasty?

Here is my sentence:

"Well now we know it's all about the sales for ms. nicks."

"Well" would suggest "resignation" on my part

"now" -- as opposed to before

"we" would suggest all of us (meaning: I'm referring to the participants in this thread's parsing of the possibilility of new material)

"know" means that we now have information

"all" that's where it's arguable; she may other considerations in making music, but not in actually releasing it, is my point. thus: all. I stand by it. Even if i'm wrong.

"the" -- maybe the gratuitous use of "the" suggested the phrase "the moolah" or something and that could be read as somehow suggesting greed (rather than calculation), but I think I meant it like "the sales" to mean "the circumstances surrounding sales, i.e., the market"

"sales" the state of the record industry, the circumstances for moving units

"ms. nicks" -- now I see. I didn't capitalize her name! and I called her ms. (because i had forgetten how y'all refer to her as "la" or whatever). Yes: lower-case and ms. = mean evil nasty wicked. You caught me!!!!! Best not make that mistake again. :rolleyes: Move over, Roland Barthes. When, in fact, the tone in which it was intended was like Sherlock Holmes with his pipe: as if I had solved a mystery (not that it was all great shakes to solve anyway).

:laugh: That's funny.

1. I didn't quote you in my original post.
2. I don't harbor prejudices against you. I don't even know you. :shrug:
3. I didn't insinuate the tone - you did.
4. Stevie was not mentioned specifically in my original post, so I was not defending her.
5. My "wicked, evil, mean and nasty" comment was supposed to be funny...

By the way, it wouldn't matter how you referred to her, it reads the same. If I'm the only one who read it that way, then so sorry. (I kind of doubt it, though). :)


Maybe we should just let the discussion continue and drop it. I don't see the point really.

[elle]

You imposed a tone upon my rather innocuous sentence (i mean, you really made a big leap there). I maintain that is because of either a) your defensiveness about stevie nicks or b) your prejudices against me.

there might be a c) CAD is ferocious in defending her point of view on any of the issues she seems to be really fond of. (which may come back to your a) i guess lol)

i have met random people at LB shows who told me "that CAD woman seems to really hate you!" b/c we've have had similar *discussions* to the one you are having here. she can correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think that's true at all!

[CADreaming]

I wish more people were interested in posting on this board. lol

[CADreaming]

i have met random people at LB shows who told me "that CAD woman seems to really hate you!" b/c we've have had similar *discussions* to the one you are having here. she can correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think that's true at all!

Wow. Reallly?!? Sometimes I really hate the internet...

Too funny.

[David]

I think everybody here is very creamy and all of us are delightful. There is humor in our pores. We are a tiny microcosm of society—we search for love and truth and honor, and we all fear tsunamis.

I want Les to come back........

[CADreaming]

I think everybody here is very creamy and all of us are delightful. There is humor in our pores. We are a tiny microcosm of society—we search for love and truth and honor, and we all fear tsunamis.

I want Les to come back........

I'm not sure who Les is, but that was beautiful. :laugh:

[Spikey]

Can we agree it was misconstrued and not worth bickering about? Or should I replace bickering with an adjective you're both comfortable with? ;)

Seriously, what's the latest on this topic. Is there a 2013 tour, will it be Greatest Hits, will it have additional or different deep cuts, will there be a FM album come 2013/14.. etc..

[jbrownsjr]

I think what CA is trying to say is that Christine McVie is the only reason Fleetwood Mac exists and that my posts are the most interesting.

I sort of agree.:thumbsup:

[CADreaming]

I think what CA is trying to say is that Christine McVie is the only reason Fleetwood Mac exists and that my posts are the most interesting.

I sort of agree.:thumbsup:

Hehe! :xoxo:

[sodascouts]

After reading several of the posts where TrueFaith and CADreaming tirelessly "debate" a semantic non-issue, I just started scrolling past their posts in this thread. I was surprised that I had to scroll through two pages to get past it, though! Geez Louise!

At any rate, I don't know about other Mac fans, but I am definitely going to see Fleetwood Mac on this tour. After all, you never know when it could be their last, and I do miss them as it's been three years since I've last seen the band play.

However, as hardcore as I am, I only went to two Mac shows on the Unleashed tour because it was the same-old, same-old (and also because I couldn't stand to see Stevie staring out at the crowd with empty eyes while singing the end part of "Silver Springs"). If that's what we get this time around, attending one show will be enough for this hardcore.

This from a girl who went to an obscene amount of shows on the Say You Will tour.

[TrueFaith77]

Apologies all, I shouldn't have dragged y'all into our fun. I should have taken it private.

[vivfox]

Apologies all, I shouldn't have dragged y'all into our fun. I should have taken it private.


You've made it impossible to go private when your sig reads:
PLEASE RESPECT THIS REQUEST: Unsolicited Private Messages/PMs are not welcome.

[UnwindedDreams]

Fleetwood Mac is trending on Twitter. People have said they should perform during Halftime at the Super Bowl.

I think they should in celebration of Rumours 35th year, which ends the day after that Super Bowl, February 4.

Shall we get the word out? :D

[TrueFaith77]

You've made it impossible to go private when your sig reads:
PLEASE RESPECT THIS REQUEST: Unsolicited Private Messages/PMs are not welcome.

I wasn't blaming CAD, I was blaming myself. I should have solicited CAD to PM.


ooops i did it again

[TrueFaith77]

Fleetwood Mac is trending on Twitter. People have said they should perform during Halftime at the Super Bowl.

I think they should in celebration of Rumours 35th year, which ends the day after that Super Bowl, February 4.

Shall we get the word out? :D

oh that's exciting!! that would be a great thing to aim for. how far ahead of time is that sorta thing solidified?

[UnwindedDreams]

oh that's exciting!! that would be a great thing to aim for. how far ahead of time is that sorta thing solidified? Madonna was being talked about for Halftime in the news in October 2011, I think, and she officially announced in December.

[sodascouts]

Fleetwood Mac is trending on Twitter. People have said they should perform during Halftime at the Super Bowl.

I think they should in celebration of Rumours 35th year, which ends the day after that Super Bowl, February 4.

Shall we get the word out? :D

By then, it will be their 36th year, would it not? What do you mean it "ends" on that day? Forgive my ignorance on the subject.

Now, 1997, that's how you commemorate an anniversary. Ever since then, nothing, not even in 2007. It's kind of disappointing, frankly. Stevie and Lindsey were both doing their solo thing then, as they are now.... but couldn't they do at least one show? It's not as if they have to rehearse that much. Ah well, it's useless to wish for what might have been.

[UnwindedDreams]

I meant that from february 4 2012-february 4 2013 is the 35th year. the super bowl is on february 3, so that would be the day before the 36th year starts...i think, right? forgive me, the jersey heat is making me hazy, ha!

i agree. the dance was a great celebration.

[CADreaming]

After reading several of the posts where TrueFaith and CADreaming tirelessly "debate" a semantic non-issue, I just started scrolling past their posts in this thread. I was surprised that I had to scroll through two pages to get past it, though! Geez Louise!

Hmmm. My posts on the subject totaled 4 and they weren't very long. At least it was a debate on something other than the Stevie & Lindsey wars, which have brought these boards to a virtual non-existence before. :rolleyes:

And, in my last post to TrueFaith, I did say:


Maybe we should just let the discussion continue and drop it. I don't see the point really.

Apologies all, I shouldn't have dragged y'all into our fun. I should have taken it private.

Hey, it's all good. If people don't want to read the posts, they can scroll past them. :cool:

Oops - back to the topic! :D

[sodascouts]

At least it was a debate on something other than the Stevie & Lindsey wars, which have brought these boards to a virtual non-existence before. :rolleyes:

Some things never change!

(Unless I'm misunderstanding you and you're saying that these no longer occur, and your reference to the wars dominating the board was meant to refer to a long while ago. It can be read both ways, and I have little context.)

[sodascouts]

I meant that from february 4 2012-february 4 2013 is the 35th year. the super bowl is on february 3, so that would be the day before the 36th year starts...i think, right? forgive me, the jersey heat is making me hazy, ha!

i agree. the dance was a great celebration.

Hey, regardless, I'd love them to play the Superbowl.

[Jondalar]

I"m not happy about this.

[TrueFaith77]

^^the tour the superbowl or the semantic argument?

[CADreaming]

^^the tour the superbowl or the semantic argument?

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Peestie]

Speaking of anniversaries. Next year will be 10 years since SYW. How about they do something to celebrate that? It'd mean a more exciting setlist and would give a break to those who have Rumours fatigue.

Well, I can dream...

[Villavic]

Speaking of anniversaries. Next year will be 10 years since SYW. How about they do something to celebrate that? It'd mean a more exciting setlist and would give a break to those who have Rumours fatigue.

Well, I can dream...

Well.. they never celebrated any other album anniversary, so.. yes let's keep dreaming.

[Peestie]

Well.. they never celebrated any other album anniversary, so.. yes let's keep dreaming.
They could celebrate the 0th anniversary of a new album. That'd be even better! :thumbsup: Sadly, it's even more unlikely.

[StandbackStevie]

I don't see a new album coming out with FM at all, I have to say Say You Will is a masterpiece to me love every song on that album. I have been listening to that alot lately again just love it. It would be cool to see a new album but ok to if its a greatest hits tour is fine as long as its easy on the wallet and if they come to CT I will be at the show.Maybe drag out some gems never done before in concert or ones that have not been done in a long time.Hopefully it will be more than one gem.

[estranged4life]

I very much doubt I would even care to see FM live again in this lifetime (Would be fun to hang with Ledgies again though).

My taste in music has changed so much that I cannot even stand to listen to FM and or SN/LB/CM solo wise.

[gypsy4life]

I guess I am in the minority here. I have yet to see this band live, and am very excited about this news! I plan to see the tour if I have to die trying!!!

[BombaySapphire3]

Speaking of anniversaries. Next year will be 10 years since SYW. How about they do something to celebrate that? It'd mean a more exciting setlist and would give a break to those who have Rumours fatigue.

Well, I can dream...

They toured in 2009 ..the 30th anniversary year of the time tested masterpiece Tusk and performance of Storms aside made no mention of a celebration of said anniversary.

[Neal]

Speaking of anniversaries. Next year will be 10 years since SYW. How about they do something to celebrate that? It'd mean a more exciting setlist and would give a break to those who have Rumours fatigue.

Well, I can dream...

Well.. they never celebrated any other album anniversary, so.. yes let's keep dreaming.

And if they were to celebrate the anniversary of an album (besides Rumours of course), I seriously doubt it would be Say You Will... :distress:

[MikeInNV]

The magazine Entertainment Weekly features a column called The Hit List, where they list newsworthy items for the week, adding their own comedic commentary. One of this week's entries:

Fleetwood Mac to reunite next year. Or else someone seriously misheard "They're just plain rumors" as "They're just playing Rumours."

[michelej1]

Sabotage Times, July 22, 2012

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/music/drugs-tusk-and-rumours-the-legend-of-fleetwood-mac-makes-them-the-perfect-glasto-headliner/

REPORTAGE | Music by Chris Barrett

The Legend Of Fleetwood Mac Makes Them Perfect For Glasto

It was announced last week that Mac were going on tour in 2013, and they were immediately linked with a Glastonbury headline set. Few bands could perform the task so well, and much of that is wrapped up in their story...

The unequivocal thrill that scorched across the social networks of mine and most other news feeds last week was a joy to behold. From hipsters to housewives there was no escaping it; Fleetwood Mac were touring again and seemingly the entire world were talking about it. Despite the fact this was a band whose last great album was released in 1987 it’s hard to imagine a similar **** storm erupting for many other acts.

The story behind the band is smeared in gack and scandal; countless affairs, addictions, deaths and pretty much anything you could summon forth from the pantheon of rock and roll. Appearing originally against the wood chip doorways of the late sixties London blues scene, the bands original incarnation disbanded after mercurial guitarist Peter Green over indulged on LSD amongst the forests of a Munich hippie commune; the side effects being his immediate decent into madness and simultaneous attempts to convince the remaining members that it was a good idea to give all their royalties to charity. The band didn’t agree.

As the rock landscape switched to the Sunshine State, so did Fleetwood Mac. Beat keeper and new leader in chief Mick Fleetwood led the band to America’s west coast and with an eye firmly on the charts, added Lindsey Buckingham and his then girlfriend Stevie Nicks to an already augmented line up, complete with bassists John McVie’s then wife Christine. Going into the Rumours album each of one of the members personal relationships splinted-Stevie left Lindsey, Christine left John, and for good measure Mick got a divorce and they sacked their manager. They then spent an entire year in the same room trying to write an album, and Rumours inevitably became an outpouring of guilt, bile and regret. They were all also doing enough coke to turn horses into unicorns.

Amongst the mixture of narcotics, alcohol and heartache, tensions never dipped below volcanic- lyrics were lifted directly from the slanging matches of the night before. In live footage from the era the venom in Lindsey’s eyes as he wails ‘packing up, shacking up all you wanna do’ dagger straight across stage to Stevie is palpable. Consumption also led to confusion, during a sustained bout of substance abuse, legend has it that it took the band 6 days, 9 separate pianos and three professional tuners in order to get Christine Mcvie’s keyboard sounding ‘just right’ before finally enlisting the help of a blind man called the ‘loony tuner’ to solve the problem. So intrinsic was cocaine to their hourly existence that Mick Fleetwood attempted to give their dealer a credit on the album, though wisely this was re-thought. Rumours went on to sell 40 million records. It was a soap opera made of vinyl, an invitation into the bedrooms and private lives of its creators. The follow-up always was always going to be difficult.

Tusk was extravagance in the extraordinary. Recording studios ran around the clock, ego’s orbited Jupiter and an unquenchable thirst engulfed the band. Asserting creative control over the album and with his head firmly turned by the primal sound sound of punk, Lindsey Buckingham demanded experimentation. Having found a vocal sound he approved of he taped a microphone to the bathroom tiles and on his hands and knees chanted ‘oooohhh’ & ‘arghhhh’ into it. Unfortunately for the others concerned, this carried on for 2 weeks.

Buckingham was not alone in the unorthodox. Fleetwood decided that when the title track required a brass section, he would ignore the obvious and simply hire the entire United States California University marching band to accompany them; he went one step further and rented the 60,000 seated Dodger stadium, just for him and his band to record a chorus.



The Tusk toured matched its recording, demanding the exquisite the band unwittingly hired Hitlers former train to traverse across Europe because it had palashal walnut and matching velvet. To add even more expense Stevie Nicks demanded a grand piano in every hotel room; this often resulted in an exasperated hotel staff winching a Steinway way piano upwards of nine floors each time as, unsurprisingly, she also demanded the penthouse.

After all this where does it leave Fleetwood Mac and their proposed tour? Only a fool would say anything other than Sunday night on Worthy Farm. A band built around emotion demands the drama of a Glastonbury headline set, you and your assembled friends-some you will know, many you won’t- will gather round the Pyramid and as refrain rings out across the hearts of the assembled throng, all that’s left to say will be:

‘I can still hear you saying you will never break the chain.’

[elle]

entire United States California University marching band to accompany them

:lol::lol: is that what USC stands for? :lol:

[michelej1]

:lol::lol: is that what USC stands for? :lol:

Yeah, I think they're in Bethnal Green London or something, so that's their best guess:laugh:.

Michele

[bombaysaffires]

USC= University of Southern California.:wavey:

[estranged4life]

he would ignore the obvious and simply hire the entire United States California University marching band to accompany them

who wrote the article must have been an Oklahoma University grad...

Brian "DIEHARD USC fan" j.

[Sleepless-Child]

Anybody knows if we're talking WORLD tour? i'm starting a 'Fleetwood Mac in Paris' campaign the minute i'm back from my holidays :)

[mottabam]

Anybody knows if we're talking WORLD tour? i'm starting a 'Fleetwood Mac in Paris' campaign the minute i'm back from my holidays :)

I think the plan is to announce the 1st leg of the tour and see how it goes. If demand is high, and they all feel good about it, most likely another leg will be added and eventually travel overseas, even if it is only European countries.

[Etisl]

You imposed a tone upon my rather innocuous sentence (i mean, you really made a big leap there). I maintain that is because of either a) your defensiveness about stevie nicks or b) your prejudices against me.

You wrote:

You worded it so the reader would assume you were being derogatory toward Stevie's quest for financial gain.

Or why do you insinuate that she is wicked, evil, mean and nasty because "it's all about the sales for her"?

There is nothing in my sentence that suggested being derogatory much less suggested I was thinking: "wicked," "evil," "mean," "nasty." You claim that a derogatory tone could be gleaned by my "sentence structure." What possibly in my sentence structure = wicked evil mean nasty?

Here is my sentence:

"Well now we know it's all about the sales for ms. nicks."

"Well" would suggest "resignation" on my part

"now" -- as opposed to before

"we" would suggest all of us (meaning: I'm referring to the participants in this thread's parsing of the possibilility of new material)

"know" means that we now have information

"all" that's where it's arguable; she may other considerations in making music, but not in actually releasing it, is my point. thus: all. I stand by it. Even if i'm wrong.

"the" -- maybe the gratuitous use of "the" suggested the phrase "the moolah" or something and that could be read as somehow suggesting greed (rather than calculation), but I think I meant it like "the sales" to mean "the circumstances surrounding sales, i.e., the market"

"sales" the state of the record industry, the circumstances for moving units

"ms. nicks" -- now I see. I didn't capitalize her name! and I called her ms. (because i had forgetten how y'all refer to her as "la" or whatever). Yes: lower-case and ms. = mean evil nasty wicked. You caught me!!!!! Best not make that mistake again. :rolleyes: Move over, Roland Barthes. When, in fact, the tone in which it was intended was like Sherlock Holmes with his pipe: as if I had solved a mystery (not that it was all great shakes to solve anyway).

And what is ". " supposed to mean? you didn't explain what the final period meant. hmmm ???? :] Just kidding, I don't want to stir the pot. (I am so going to get myself into trouble...)

[David]

Do some guys still call Stevie "Mama"? Is it capitalized?

[michelej1]

Do some guys still call Stevie "Mama"? Is it capitalized?

Since she had identified herself as a SOTM, I think people should call her Sister. And yes, that should be capitalized.

Michele

[vivfox]

Since she had identified herself as a SOTM, I think people should call her Sister. And yes, that should be capitalized.

Michele


If you call her Sister, doesn't she have to have a (cocaine) habit?

[CADreaming]

Do some guys still call Stevie "Mama"? Is it capitalized?

Where did that come from??

[WildHearted]

Where did that come from??

Idk. Mama Nicks has a nice ring to it.

[fairydust75]

I am guilty of referring to Stevie as "Mama". For me, it is a term of endearment, admiration, respect, and love. She is the poet that lives in my heart and the Sage that guides my way through troubled waters.

I could never express with words how much she means to me, referring to her as Mama just feels right.:nod:

[vivfox]

I am guilty of referring to Stevie as "Mama". For me, it is a term of endearment, admiration, respect, and love. She is the poet that lives in my heart and the Sage that guides my way through troubled waters.


In the 1990's many referred to her as Mac Momma.