Joe Walsh on Howard Stern this morning (06-04-12)

[worldturning]

Did anyone catch the full interview?

Heard parts on the way to work this morning. Howard tried to get Joe to talk more about his relationship with Stevie Nicks at least twice during the interview.

If I remember correctly, Howard was pretty amazed that they were a couple and seemed to think really highly of Stevie and how she said that he was the love of her life. Howard also mentioned something to the effect the she is/was one of the greatest songwriters. When he asked Joe about it, there was nothing but silence. :laugh:

Howard asked Joe about the relationship a few minutes later mentioning again how Stevie considered Joe the love of her life. I got the feeling that Joe didn't want to say to much about their relationship because he is married now. Joe did mention that Stevie "helped" him with the Confessor album. He did mention a specific song, but I missed the title. He also mentioned that she wrote a song about him, and after about 10 seconds got close to the actual song title which of course was Has Anyone Written Anything For You.

[loubird98]

Mu husband mentioned to me that he was on and talking about Stevie but he couldn't tell me anything specific..he said it was just chit-chat. I am going to see if they re-play it on sirrius. I want to hear it.

[HejiraNYC]

Joe Walsh is an insufferable turd blossom. I wouldn't p*** on him if he was on fire.

[Nickingham]

Found it! Go here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5cGVliATqk).

19:40 - 21:39
41:41 - 42:18
47:21 - 50:29

[Macfanforever]

They start talking about Stevie around 19:40.

[bombaysaffires]

he pretty much says it was a road relationship. it happened and it worked for the summer they were together (he says it was just the summer) because they were touring together, and they were both lonely, and they spent all that time together on the road. Once they got off the road, they went their separate ways.

When Howard calls her a great songwriter, Joe totally blanches and won't agree.

He also totally avoids answering the question "Did you love her?" although Howard tries to get him to answer it several times.

When asked if Stevie was one of the people he had to make amends to (12 Steps) he said yes.

[Sanne2]

Didn't it last much longer according to Stevie, like 2 years?

[jellyman10]

When Howard calls her a great songwriter, Joe totally blanches and won't agree.



Even on her worst day, she's ten times the songwriter he is. I know you can't choose who you fall for, but I hope with every fibre of my being that she is totally over that excuse for a man.

[jellyman10]

Something else that really shocks me about Walsh is why he is so loath to deny Stevie any dignity or status at all? It's not as if she went around pointing out that she dumped him, the way she did with Lindsey after they split. The things Stevie has said about Walsh would make most men just nod and smile and say something non-comittal that left the subject in the realm of 'it wasn't to be' or 'life's like that'. But he seems to have a real nasty streak about her that makes me think there's either something important that we don't know - or he's just a really, really nasty piece of work. Even now. Sober.

Ugh, he's making me feel nauseous. Enough!

[jellyman10]

Didn't it last much longer according to Stevie, like 2 years?

I think the key is when he says they were monogamous for that one summer. I took that to mean they were still 'involved' for longer than that. I think many of Stevie's relationships had that feature of not ending cleanly, but rather petering out in a stuttering way over months or even years. :lol:

Really must stop posting in this thread, but it's pushed my buttons!

[gypsy4life]

He is a douche and was never good enough for her....end of story...

[loubird98]

I'd like to think that he feels bad about the years of trashing her, so maybe he now just keeps his mouth shut or says nothing at all. But, I could be wrong.

[Macfanforever]

He doesn't sound to healthy.

[HejiraNYC]

Something else that really shocks me about Walsh is why he is so loath to deny Stevie any dignity or status at all? It's not as if she went around pointing out that she dumped him, the way she did with Lindsey after they split. The things Stevie has said about Walsh would make most men just nod and smile and say something non-comittal that left the subject in the realm of 'it wasn't to be' or 'life's like that'. But he seems to have a real nasty streak about her that makes me think there's either something important that we don't know - or he's just a really, really nasty piece of work. Even now. Sober.

Ugh, he's making me feel nauseous. Enough!

Their situation reminds me of James Taylor and Carly Simon, who divorced presumably due to James' out-of-control drug problems. Carly today is mostly open to talking about their marriage and she has even expressed a willingness to maintain some kind of a relationship with him; after all, he is the father of her children. By sharp contrast, James wants nothing to do with her whatsoever. He has pretty much refused to communicate with Carly, let alone speak about Carly in interviews or acknowledge that they were ever even together. When Carly was on the Howard Stern show a few years ago, she mentioned that when her daughter Sally got married at James' house, she wasn't even allowed to go inside; Carly had to use the port-a-potty. :eek: Howard quipped that she should have taken a big **** right on the front lawn. :lol: Oh, how I love Howard and Carly...

The common theme here seems to be drugs. My *theory* is that, in the process of recovery, addicts take inventory of the people in their lives and determine who to keep and who to toss out. In the trash heap, theoretically, would be the enablers, the hangers-on, the triggers, etc. who can be perilous to one's recovery. In addition, there are those who have witnessed the addict's rock bottom, which can be a very, very dark place. Perhaps Joe has some kind of lingering resentment for Stevie because she was an enabler or she just couldn't/wouldn't save him from himself; after all, Stevie herself pretty much said that their addictions were spiraling out of control together. And who knows what Stevie witnessed when Joe was scraping along the bottom; perhaps he is so mortified by his own behavior that he has effectively blocked that period of time out of his mind. :shrug: I suspect something similar must be going down with James Taylor...

[loubird98]

Thanks for posting this. I am listening now. He's not perfect by any means, but at one point, he does say, "Stevie is special." That was kind of nice. But he definiely does deflect on other questions about her.

[jellyman10]

The common theme here seems to be drugs. My *theory* is that, in the process of recovery, addicts take inventory of the people in their lives and determine who to keep and who to toss out. In the trash heap, theoretically, would be the enablers, the hangers-on, the triggers, etc. who can be perilous to one's recovery. In addition, there are those who have witnessed the addict's rock bottom, which can be a very, very dark place. Perhaps Joe has some kind of lingering resentment for Stevie because she was an enabler or she just couldn't/wouldn't save him from himself; after all, Stevie herself pretty much said that their addictions were spiraling out of control together. And who knows what Stevie witnessed when Joe was scraping along the bottom; perhaps he is so mortified by his own behavior that he has effectively blocked that period of time out of his mind. :shrug: I suspect something similar must be going down with James Taylor...

Wow, I never even thought of that. But it makes a lot of sense, especially if it's possible that Stevie's recovery is/was fundamentally more robust than his? Because that would give Walsh a motive to want to ensure she didn't threaten to become part of his life again. I mean, if I think about what I'm like when I see people I played in bands with in my twenties, but whom I don't see regularly - mostly what we talk about are our 'war stories' of partying. So I can see how that could be a very serious reason to not want contact or even to give headspace to someone you associate with a time like that.

I still think it's vindictive, though, to not even say something blandly complimentary about her songwriting. He would know that that's hitting her where she lives.

One thing I noticed on re-reading is that he called her 'a soulmate'. Just gets curiouser.

Thanks, Hejira.

[cliffdweller]

The common theme here seems to be drugs. My *theory* is that, in the process of recovery, addicts take inventory of the people in their lives and determine who to keep and who to toss out. In the trash heap, theoretically, would be the enablers, the hangers-on, the triggers, etc. who can be perilous to one's recovery. In addition, there are those who have witnessed the addict's rock bottom, which can be a very, very dark place. Perhaps Joe has some kind of lingering resentment for Stevie because she was an enabler or she just couldn't/wouldn't save him from himself; after all, Stevie herself pretty much said that their addictions were spiraling out of control together. And who knows what Stevie witnessed when Joe was scraping along the bottom; perhaps he is so mortified by his own behavior that he has effectively blocked that period of time out of his mind. :shrug: I suspect something similar must be going down with James Taylor...

I think this is it in a nutshell. Stevie saw Joe at one of the lowest points of his life and he doesn't really want to walk down that memory lane. I guess I understand that. And his silence when faced with the question about how he perceives Stevie as an artist shouldn't necessarily be taken as a diss. He probably just doesn't want to talk about that time in his life or the people associated with it. I guess he's entitled to that, however, maybe he should have thought twice about going on Howard Stern. Of COURSE Howard is going to probe and ask uncomfortable questions, hello!

What's weird is the Carly Simon/James Taylor story. I can understand him not wanting to see or associate with those who were part of his druggy past, but to forbid Carly entrance into his house at their daughter's wedding? That is really low! Sounds to me like something more than shame is operating here. Sounds like he's still very angry with her for some reason.

[elle]

Found it! Go here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5cGVliATqk).

19:40 - 21:39
41:41 - 42:18
47:21 - 50:29

thanks for posting that... enjoying listening to it. now i really wish Lindsey went on Howard when he was scheduled last year. it's nice to hear something different, not your regular run-of-the-mill interview.

[skuncles]

Here are just the parts where he talks about Stevie.

http://www.mediafire.com/?d1c4kzvbsyiu92h

[WildHearted]

It seemed like he just really didn't want to talk about it, and had to force himself to say anything nice at all....

Well my opinion of him certainly hasn't changed.

[BrownEyedGirl26]

Thanks for posting this. I am listening now. He's not perfect by any means, but at one point, he does say, "Stevie is special." That was kind of nice. But he definiely does deflect on other questions about her.

Maybe when he needed her the most her people kept him away "for her own good"!
"Something you just don't touch because it hurts too much" If there is a psychiatrist on the Ledge, can you give us your opinion? Wasn't "Talk To Me" written for him? When she sang this originally, it was with such emotion like she was trying to reach out to help him but maybe she didn't know he was trying to contact her at the same time! This may or may not be the case here! It could certainly explain any resentment issues!

[loubird98]

That could have been the case. He said on the interview that when the tour was over that they "couldn't" be together anymore...something like that. And he did describe her as a "soulmate." Maybe I'm reading into this too much,lol. But it is nice to hear him talk about her sober.

[BombaySapphire3]

Wasn't "Talk To Me" written for him? When she sang this originally, it was with such emotion like she was trying to reach out to help him but maybe she didn't know he was trying to contact her at the same time! This may or may not be the case here! It could certainly explain any resentment issues!

La Nicks did not write a word or note of "Talk to Me".It was written for her by comission by Chas Sanford after she expressed admiration for his "Missing You' as performed by John Waite.It is doubtful Chas was privy to any of the Walsh drama.

[vivfox]

Found it! Go here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5cGVliATqk).

19:40 - 21:39
41:41 - 42:18
47:21 - 50:29


I love it when fans take the time to make it easier for me to hear the important parts.
Especially considering I fell asleep twice last night trying to listen to this interview.

[vivfox]

He doesn't sound to healthy.


Joe Walsh has always spoken like he had a phallic symbol in his mouth.:lol:

[FM77]

I didn't fault Joe for hesitating to agree with Howard's description of Stevie as one of the greatest songwriters ever. I am quite sure Stevie herself would not put herself in the same category of Lennon/McCartney, Paul Simon, Dylan etc...

[Macfanforever]

Joe Walsh has always spoken like he had a fallic symbol in his mouth.:lol:

He sounds worst now.I'm glad Howard pick Joe's brain in the interview.

[Christopher]

I didn't fault Joe for hesitating to agree with Howard's description of Stevie as one of the greatest songwriters ever. I am quite sure Stevie herself would not put herself in the same category of Lennon/McCartney, Paul Simon, Dylan etc...

Eh! Surely it a subjective question to begin with. Perhaps if Howard had narrowed his question outside any realm of the exclusive "boys club" and stated that Stevie is among the greatest female songwriters ever.:rolleyes:

[BombaySapphire3]

I didn't fault Joe for hesitating to agree with Howard's description of Stevie as one of the greatest songwriters ever. I am quite sure Stevie herself would not put herself in the same category of Lennon/McCartney, Paul Simon, Dylan etc...

I wouldn't be too certain of that .We are talking about Stevie"you wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan" Nicks here.:lol:

[elle]

Eh! Surely it a subjective question to begin with. Perhaps if Howard had narrowed his question outside any realm of the exclusive "boys club" and stated that Stevie is among the greatest female songwriters ever.:rolleyes:

hmm - are you saying female songwriters can be great just when not judged against men? :confused: :(

Walsh intentionally made it VERY wide - much wider than Howard's original question was - saying that when one thinks of great composers of the 30s... :laugh:

[michelej1]

Well, I don't know who else he is dated, but maybe even though he manipulated Stevie quite a bit, the way she tells it, maybe she was still the strongest person he's ever been with.

She didn't exactly dump him, but stood up to him, at least from that story she tells about when he was hanging around distracting her bandmates and being a jerk and she finally put her foot down.

Maybe he doesn't like publicly remembering their time together because she made him feel weak, small, less than in control. She didn't feel like she was the dominant one in that relationship, but maybe he did.

Michele

[Christopher]

hmm - are you saying female songwriters can be great just when not judged against men? :confused: :(

Walsh intentionally made it VERY wide - much wider than Howard's original question was - saying that when one thinks of great composers of the 30s... :laugh:

No. I didn't say that at all! I implied that male musicians most always dominate any "best of" musician, songwriter lists overall in general. And therefore it's so characteristic for FM77 to list the obvious "Lennon/McCartney, Paul Simon, Dylan etc..." as being in that immediate realm of greatest songwriters ever, without even mentioning a Carole King, Joni Mitchell, Patti Smith etc., etc. It's just an observation.

[mikephxaz]

I thought mr walsh was quite introspective (as much as he can be)...no relationship that was based in such drug abuse can end well...the fact they both can still call themselves "soul mates" is nice...
Life on the road with all of its excesses doesnt breed stability...I'm impressed that Stevie has good relationships with ALL these men :blob1:

[bombaysaffires]

My sense of their relationship has always been that she was in it much deeper (emotionally) than he was, and couldn't let it go so easily like he could. Maybe the drugs clouded her judgement of him and his attachment to her....but it really has always sounded to me like she for whatever reason just couldn't let go of him and perhaps he took advantage of that and strung her along beyond that summer of monogamy... and rather than realize "he's just not that into you" (because of drugs or her own emotional issues or whatever) she kept hanging on. I mean, his behavior could not have been more clear.... that night he went to the studio and disrupted her recording session bull****ting and goofing around with all the guy musicians and then her asking him "am I going home with you or..?" and he drops the bombshell "oh I forgot to tell you I'm leaving for Australia tomorrow". I always feel bad for her when I hear that story, like I want to say "Don't you get it?? Let him go, he's not worth it!!"

[sleepless child]

I feel too like she was more in love than he was with her. I'm sure he loved the idea of being with Stevie, but he never took the relationship very seriously. She has said such deep, emotional things about him and even to this day he acts like it was some casual celebrity hook up. The crazy drug days has alot to do with it but for God's sake, he can't even remember the name of the song she wrote for him. He should feel honored that she wrote such a beautiful song about him and the loss of his daughter. He just comes across as a jerk to me.

[Angel69]

but for God's sake, he can't even remember the name of the song she wrote for him.

From the sound of his voice alone, it seems he's lucky if he remembers his own name.

[BombaySapphire3]

From the sound of his voice alone, it seems he's lucky if he remembers his own name.

Yep..wet brain..has been for years.

[BrownEyedGirl26]

La Nicks did not write a word or note of "Talk to Me".It was written for her by comission by Chas Sanford after she expressed admiration for his "Missing You' as performed by John Waite.It is doubtful Chas was privy to any of the Walsh drama.

Yes, that's right, I had forgotten about that! I remember seeing the video clip of this song and her performance and was shocked when I bought the "Rock A Little" album and read that she didn't write it!

[SummerlongBoots]

I came from a family brimming with addicts. I'm no expert and this is just based on my own history but most addicts I've known ended up full of self-loathing.

Some transferred that self "disgust" on to others, similar to what abusers do, because they couldn't stand the fact that someone loved them. ( Because whatever the reasons, they had declared themselves unloveable.)

But, when the pain - the void - the demon of whatever it was they were battling came back, as it always did, they were left with the option of loving themselves enough to do the hard work of recovery, or picking up a bottle or a needle to deaden the pain quickly.

It might be possible that Joe Walsh really cared for Stevie but "hated" her for loving him. That might've put pressure on him to love himself and he wasn't up for the challenge so he turned on her. Just a thought.

[cliffdweller]

She has said such deep, emotional things about him and even to this day he acts like it was some casual celebrity hook up.

I'm not saying it was a casual hook-up or anything, but we all know how dramatic Stevie can be. Everything is as serious as a heart attack to her. There's not a whole lot of middle ground. I bet looking back on this relationship now she thinks, my god! I can't believe I said that he was one of my greatest loves! Cocaine is a helluva drug! :laugh:

[HejiraNYC]

I'm not saying it was a casual hook-up or anything, but we all know how dramatic Stevie can be. Everything is as serious as a heart attack to her. There's not a whole lot of middle ground. I bet looking back on this relationship now she thinks, my god! I can't believe I said that he was one of my greatest loves! Cocaine is a helluva drug! :laugh:

Actually this is something she said in recent years, long after the clouds of cocaine and Klonopin dissipated. What can you say... the heart wants what the heart wants, and Stevie's heart wanted Joe, mush mouth and all. I thought it was interesting that Howard Stern (and Baba Booey- his producer) both picked up on that couplet in HAEWAFY- "I would rather be alone, Than be without you..." that I never gave a second thought about until now. Those are some serious words! And the cruel irony is that, indeed, Stevie has pretty much stayed single after breaking up with Joe! Yes, she's had her flings here and there (Prince, Rupert, Lindsey, a bagel boy or two??), but nothing that matched the duration and intensity of her relationship with Joe. I wonder if she died a little bit inside when they parted.

[michelej1]

but nothing that matched the duration and intensity of her relationship with Joe.

Oh. Oh. :( That's just gratuitous cruelty. Michele

[bombaysaffires]

nothing that matched the duration and intensity of her relationship with Joe. I wonder if she died a little bit inside when they parted.

Now if you replaced the name Joe in the above with Lindsey, I'd be onboard witchya.

[loubird98]

Actually this is something she said in recent years, long after the clouds of cocaine and Klonopin dissipated. What can you say... the heart wants what the heart wants, and Stevie's heart wanted Joe, mush mouth and all. I thought it was interesting that Howard Stern (and Baba Booey- his producer) both picked up on that couplet in HAEWAFY- "I would rather be alone, Than be without you..." that I never gave a second thought about until now. Those are some serious words! And the cruel irony is that, indeed, Stevie has pretty much stayed single after breaking up with Joe! Yes, she's had her flings here and there (Prince, Rupert, Lindsey, a bagel boy or two??), but nothing that matched the duration and intensity of her relationship with Joe. I wonder if she died a little bit inside when they parted.

I'm sure it was difficult for her to get over Joe, but it always sounded to me that she had strong feelings for Rupert, and he was "the one" until the mystery occurance, when she stopped speaking of him and left.

[HejiraNYC]

Oh. Oh. :( That's just gratuitous cruelty. Michele

Now if you replaced the name Joe in the above with Lindsey, I'd be onboard witchya.

I'm sure it was difficult for her to get over Joe, but it always sounded to me that she had strong feelings for Rupert, and he was "the one" until the mystery occurance, when she stopped speaking of him and left.

No, no... I meant since Joe. There's no question that Lindsey will always be her true soulmate. But she did seem to get hot and heavy with the likes of Mick, Don Henley, Jimmy Iovine, et al. almost immediately after breaking up with Lindsey. But Joe seems to have scarred her for life; she would never fall so deeply in love again. :shrug: Sure, she probably bumped uglies with Rupert for a time... but I get the sense that he was more of a fling than a serious, ongoing concern, especially given her fragile emotional/mental state at the time. And the *purported* fling with Lindsey during the Dance tour seemed to be short-lived and was a bit of forbidden fruit that ended disastrously before it had a chance to ripen on the vine. She has been so unlucky in love... and I simply don't buy this excuse that men cannot deal with a strong, famous, wealthy rock star woman. I really honestly believe she has intimacy issues stemming from her traumatizing break-up with Joe.

[loubird98]

No, no... I meant since Joe. There's no question that Lindsey will always be her true soulmate. But she did seem to get hot and heavy with the likes of Mick, Don Henley, Jimmy Iovine, et al. almost immediately after breaking up with Lindsey. But Joe seems to have scarred her for life; she would never fall so deeply in love again. :shrug: Sure, she probably bumped uglies with Rupert for a time... but I get the sense that he was more of a fling than a serious, ongoing concern, especially given her fragile emotional/mental state at the time. And the *purported* fling with Lindsey during the Dance tour seemed to be short-lived and was a bit of forbidden fruit that ended disastrously before it had a chance to ripen on the vine. She has been so unlucky in love... and I simply don't buy this excuse that men cannot deal with a strong, famous, wealthy rock star woman. I really honestly believe she has intimacy issues stemming from her traumatizing break-up with Joe.

Tell me more about the Lindsey fling during the Dance Tour :) !

[HejiraNYC]

Tell me more about the Lindsey fling during the Dance Tour :) !

I know nothing, and even if I did, I ain't tellin'. :p It's just rumors and speculation (corroborated by on-stage behavior).

[AncientQueen]

About Joe Walsh trying to ignore Stevie, playing down their relationship and her ability/success as a songriter:

From my own experience: Under the influence of drugs you open up to another person in a way you would never ever when sober. When the other person confronts you with what you said, you feel ashamed, because you know that you overshared and want to forget about it, but much worse, your openess created a strong emotional reaction in the other person, so you have to deal with the expectations. What can you do, you have to cut the other person out of your life to not hurt this person again and again when you rebuid your own integrity and try to get.over.the.sh*t.you.talked.when.you.were.drugged. Sigh, I was such a useless a**hole back then.

[THINKABOUTIT]

well, whatever 'possibly' happened on The Dance Tour, and I've always loved to believe something did, (so hot if it did lol), he sure moved on fast to get Kristen 'Preggers' :lol:

[bombaysaffires]

How do we know Stevie never fell deeply in love again after Joe?? Maybe she just got a bit more discreet. I mean we barely know anything about the younger man she was dating a few years ago that she said she broke up with because she was older and made more money.

In Ken's book there's reference to the recording engineer she began seeing after her breakup with Lindsey. Stevie has had sooooo mannyyyyy love affairs that we know nothing about; I always find it sort of amusing that people think she's only gone with the handful of guys we know about. To me, THAT would be one of the fascinating things in her autobiography, were she ever really to write it...... all the hundreds of guys who've been in her life. (And I actually do believe it would be that many).

[britt0308]

I love it when fans take the time to make it easier for me to hear the important parts.
Especially considering I fell asleep twice last night trying to listen to this interview.

Same here! Thanks for everyone's (continued) time and effort to make sharing new info easy for all. Much appreciated.

Off to listen now..

[michelej1]

How do we know Stevie never fell deeply in love again after Joe?? Maybe she just got a bit more discreet. I mean we barely know anything about the younger man she was dating a few years ago that she said she broke up with because she was older and made more money.

In Ken's book there's reference to the recording engineer she began seeing after her breakup with Lindsey. Stevie has had sooooo mannyyyyy love affairs that we know nothing about; I always find it sort of amusing that people think she's only gone with the handful of guys we know about. To me, THAT would be one of the fascinating things in her autobiography, were she ever really to write it...... all the hundreds of guys who've been in her life. (And I actually do believe it would be that many).

Oh, I'm sure she's had pretty of paramours, but if they had a deep and lasting impact on her, wouldn't she write more about them in her songs? Maybe she does and she just doesn't admit the songs are about who they really are about, so as to be discreet. But really, based on what she says, there are only a handful of songs like Secret Love Destiny and Blue Denim (she has given different interpretations for Denim, one says it's about Lindsey and one says it's about another guy) that seem to be about anyone other than the men we do know of, like Joe, Lindsey, Mick, Les and Rupert and that guy she dated when she was a kid, Steve. I don't know . . .

Michele

[michelej1]

No, no... I meant since Joe. There's no question that Lindsey will always be her true soulmate. But she did seem to get hot and heavy with the likes of Mick, Don Henley, Jimmy Iovine, et al. almost immediately after breaking up with Lindsey. But Joe seems to have scarred her for life; she would never fall so deeply in love again.

Yes, she's never talked about deep love after him.

This reminds me of POTU and how she says she never lived with anyone after Lindsey. These lines are crossed and you don't go there again, don't get that close.

It's kind of funny, because we don't know anything about John. He's been married for decades and has a daughter he dotes on, but I always feel that he never felt that way again after Chris. When Ken wrote that John was talking to Christine and said in front of his then-girlfriend that the girl didn't mean anything to him, I found myself wondering if what he's built with Julie ever compared either.

Michele

[NoLight77]

Yes, she's never talked about deep love after him.

This reminds me of POTU and how she says she never lived with anyone after Lindsey. These lines are crossed and you don't go there again, don't get that close.

It's kind of funny, because we don't know anything about John. He's been married for decades and has a daughter he dotes on, but I always feel that he never felt that way again after Chris. When Ken wrote that John was talking to Christine and said in front of his then-girlfriend that the girl didn't mean anything to him, I found myself wondering if what he's built with Julie ever compared either.

Michele



Hi, can you explain what Ken said in his book, John was talking to Christine and then who didn't mean anything to him? Sorry I haven't read it yet. Thanks.

[michelej1]

Hi, can you explain what Ken said in his book, John was talking to Christine and then who didn't mean anything to him? Sorry I haven't read it yet. Thanks.

John had a girlfriend after he broke up with Chris. I don't know what her name was. Let's say Sally. So, in the studio he went over to Christine and complained because he was jealous of Christine dating other men while he was around and Christine said he no right to be jealous, since he was going to steady with Sally. Sally was in the room at the time and John blurted out to Christine, "But Sally means nothing to me." So, of course, that didn't sit well with Sally, who made a quick exit. John had to patch things up with her later, according to Ken.

Michele

[rubylounge]

Joe Walsh is scheduled to be on Good Morning America today.

[bombaysaffires]

Oh, I'm sure she's had pretty of paramours, but if they had a deep and lasting impact on her, wouldn't she write more about them in her songs? Maybe she does and she just doesn't admit the songs are about who they really are about, so as to be discreet. But really, based on what she says, there are only a handful of songs like Secret Love Destiny and Blue Denim (she has given different interpretations for Denim, one says it's about Lindsey and one says it's about another guy) that seem to be about anyone other than the men we do know of, like Joe, Lindsey, Mick, Les and Rupert and that guy she dated when she was a kid, Steve. I don't know . . .

Michele


Sleeping Angel was about Paul Fishkin, and they were together for a year or so. ("If you're a nice guy, you get a nice song")....and who knows what else might be about him. (He was prominent in her BTM and said he'd always love her). I think while a lot of songs are about, or at least inspired by, Lindsey, it also serves the purpose of intriguing the fans to let people think ALL songs are about him. Stevie is definitely the savviest of the Mac in creating and perpetuating a certain image and storyline. Doesn't mean it's all fake, just often exaggerated for effect or certain details left out etc. I suspect a lot of her material from Wild Heart through Street Angel are about a lot of other men. Just my opinion.

[seekerj]

Yeah, I think she writes about the human condition and emotions in general, but in the same song uses different details from different men, eras, or circumstances in her life to make the general point. In my opinion, this is why/how sometimes the songs are "hybrids" (using Lindsey's word here).

[michelej1]

Sleeping Angel was about Paul Fishkin, and they were together for a year or so. ("If you're a nice guy, you get a nice song")....and who knows what else might be about him. (He was prominent in her BTM and said he'd always love her). I think while a lot of songs are about, or at least inspired by, Lindsey, it also serves the purpose of intriguing the fans to let people think ALL songs are about him. Stevie is definitely the savviest of the Mac in creating and perpetuating a certain image and storyline. Doesn't mean it's all fake, just often exaggerated for effect or certain details left out etc. I suspect a lot of her material from Wild Heart through Street Angel are about a lot of other men. Just my opinion.

It's amusing to me when Stevie is adamant in saying, "well, that song is not about Lindsey." The inference being, the bulk of them are, but not that rare one.

I remember Sheryl talking about If You Ever Did Believe and she said, "1978? Then it must be about Mick." It kind of annoyed me for Sheryl to say that. Of course, we engage in such speculations all of the time, but then suddeny it seemed intrusive for Crow, one of Stevie's close friends, to do it, in my little head.

Michele

[studyinscarlet]

Joe talking about how RnR is dying and the digital is ruining it. Didn't Stevie say she broke up with him because she wanted to go to a Halloween party and he was busy with his computers and wouldn't go? And he'd showed her earlier how the computer can replace instruments and such and she thought that he could replace her as well.

[Macfanforever]

Joe talking about how RnR is dying and the digital is ruining it. Didn't Stevie say she broke up with him because she wanted to go to a Halloween party and he was busy with his computers and wouldn't go? And he'd showed her earlier how the computer can replace instruments and such and she thought that he could replace her as well.

I agree and disagree . RnR is dying.Plus computers are replacing musicians and instruments.Replacing intrument with keyboard synth has been going on way before computers and the internet.

Hum maybe that one of the reasons Stevie's not fond with computers.

[WildHearted]

Joe talking about how RnR is dying and the digital is ruining it. Didn't Stevie say she broke up with him because she wanted to go to a Halloween party and he was busy with his computers and wouldn't go? And he'd showed her earlier how the computer can replace instruments and such and she thought that he could replace her as well.

She did. She even wrote a song about it - 'Computer Baby'

"You had no time for your lady
You had no time for your love
So you bought her a computer baby...."

[NoLight77]

John had a girlfriend after he broke up with Chris. I don't know what her name was. Let's say Sally. So, in the studio he went over to Christine and complained because he was jealous of Christine dating other men while he was around and Christine said he no right to be jealous, since he was going to steady with Sally. Sally was in the room at the time and John blurted out to Christine, "But Sally means nothing to me." So, of course, that didn't sit well with Sally, who made a quick exit. John had to patch things up with her later, according to Ken.

Michele



Thank you Michelle. I also wonder about John. I wonder about his second wife Julie, and how easy or hard it was to marry her. Chris was obviously his true love, but did he get over it, or move on...really?

[mezzoforte]

Thank you Michelle. I also wonder about John. I wonder about his second wife Julie, and how easy or hard it was to marry her. Chris was obviously his true love, but did he get over it, or move on...really?

Hm, I don't know. He's been with Julie for around 30 years--that's no small achievement.
I don't think we know enough about John's feelings to say one way or the other.

[michelej1]

You know, my favorite part of the Best Buy cds is John talking about his daughter and how when she performed Rhiannon she did the looong version. That cracked me up. What little girl is not going to go for the long version?

He said his "girls" would travel on tour with him when he went to New York and the big cities, but for some reason, they didn't want to go with him to the podunk towns.

Michele

[txknight80]

She did. She even wrote a song about it - 'Computer Baby'

"You had no time for your lady
You had no time for your love
So you bought her a computer baby...."

'Computer Baby' ? Huh, wonder if that will ever be recorded.

[cliffdweller]

'Computer Baby' ? Huh, wonder if that will ever be recorded.

With lyrics that dreadful, let's hope not.

[bombaysaffires]

John had a girlfriend after he broke up with Chris. I don't know what her name was. Let's say Sally. So, in the studio he went over to Christine and complained because he was jealous of Christine dating other men while he was around and Christine said he no right to be jealous, since he was going to steady with Sally. Sally was in the room at the time and John blurted out to Christine, "But Sally means nothing to me." So, of course, that didn't sit well with Sally, who made a quick exit. John had to patch things up with her later, according to Ken.

Michele

And it was Christine who went after her (her name was actually Sandra) to comfort her. Later, in Ken's book he says Sandra was living in Christine's house.

I always suspected Christine was happy to see him dating other people and to encourage his new relationships because it helped him move on which probably made her feel better too.

[teedeerocks]

I read in another thread that Joe Walsh called Stevie a "road f**k" in an interview. Exactly what interview was this statement made (written or verbal interview) by Joe himself? I looked for it online but was unable to find it.In fact I heard Howard Stern interview Joe,and when Howard pushed really hard to get more info on Stevie,Joe just said that she was "special".I was surprised to hear that after the alleged "road f**k" comment.

[Papillon]

Hey hello! I'm kinda new & never too sure about posting, as opposed to reading, but I have to say a couple of things.
1) James Taylor is a p****k if he actually wouldn't let his daughter's mother inside his home to use the restroom when they were gathered there for her wedding! He made her use the Port A Potty?! That's stunningly rude. Was he afraid she would steal his Hummel collection or something? Geez.
2) He may be smart- or not- but Joe sounds like a half wit. He sounds like the love child of Spicolli from Fast Times At Ridgemont High & Kato Kaelin. And, I assume, some woman would be in that equation as well, because- uterus.
That's it. I'll try being quiet. I do love reading all your great and diverse input.

[PenguinHead]

I like how this thread has been revived after three years of dormancy. Howard Stern is an amazing interviewer, and this clip with Joe Walsh is a good example. He is peerless in his ability to dig in and pose questions most interviewers would be fearful or never think to ask. He does it in such a conversational manner that most people open up and reveal very personal information

His interview with Maureen McCormick aka Marsha from the Brady Bunch comes to mind as an example. I think it's on YouTube. It was from some years ago. She was a Howard Stern listener, so she knew what to expect. She was so open, honest and matter of fact with her answers, it was very astonishing.

Joe Walsh is quite a character. His relationship with Stevie was situational and circumstantial, and was never destined to go anywhere. When Stevie proclaimed he was the love of her life, she's referencing a brief time when they were touring together and found support for each other. Both were vulnerable and at the pinnacle of their cocaine habits. It's typical for Stevie to romanticize the past, and make grand statements.

It's unfortunate to hear that John Taylor is a bit of a prick, but I'm not startled by that revelation. I still like his music. Carly Simon seems to a be a really cool lady. Her song "You're So Vain" is brilliant, and one of my favorite songs. Any time I have visited Martha's Vineyard, I'd hope to run into her. She's lived there a long time, likely in a secluded estate. That island is it's own exclusive world.

[Macfan4life]

This Joe Walsh line about a road f*** is sort of an urban legend. Joe Walsh has appeared on Howard Stern for 25 years. He never talked about Stevie until recently when he was sober. Joe has said some crazy stuff about Stevie on other shows. I would love if anyone can truly point to the source of this infamous line. I have never heard Joe say that on Howard Stern.
I did hear Joe say crazy stuff about Stevie on Rock line in 1990 but it was not that infamous line.
Don Henley was much worse to Stevie outing her about her abortion as early as the late 80's. There used to be a Stevie interview on youtube from 1991 where Stevie said Don's outing let her talk about it.

[David]

Don Henley was much worse to Stevie outing her about her abortion as early as the late 80's. There used to be a Stevie interview on youtube from 1991 where Stevie said Don's outing let her talk about it.The Mary Turner Off the Record for Street Angel?

[SisterNightroad]

This Joe Walsh line about a road f*** is sort of an urban legend. Joe Walsh has appeared on Howard Stern for 25 years. He never talked about Stevie until recently when he was sober. Joe has said some crazy stuff about Stevie on other shows. I would love if anyone can truly point to the source of this infamous line. I have never heard Joe say that on Howard Stern.
I did hear Joe say crazy stuff about Stevie on Rock line in 1990 but it was not that infamous line.
Don Henley was much worse to Stevie outing her about her abortion as early as the late 80's. There used to be a Stevie interview on youtube from 1991 where Stevie said Don's outing let her talk about it.
It is not a legend, once I even found a tape online but I hadn't found it since then. It was a 90s interview and he sounded quite drunk if not more.

[Macfan4life]

The Mary Turner Off the Record for Street Angel?
No. Mary Turner would never ask such things. This was from Stevie's dark klonopin years from 1991 where she was too zonked out to probably care what she was saying. This clip was removed from youtube but it was a little known 1991 interview from a British interviewer I believe. Besides her talking about Don Henley outing her about the abortion she also really opened up about Kris Anderson. How she became afraid of him, etc. The first part of the interview is still on youtube and I will look for it and post it. Stevie is pissed at Mick and she spews venom.

Edit:
Here is part 3 of the interview where Stevie talks about Joe. She says she may have given up her career for him. Part 1 is her bashing Mick LOL Part 3 is about her love of Joe Walsh. Part 2 was removed from youtube and has the good stuff in it :eek:

Joe Walsh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6UV6pHyqH8

Battling Mick and leaving Fleetwood Mac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lreWXEPQzCM

[Papillon]

Don Henley so blithely talking about it in that magazine interview really made me angry! And wasn't the Stevie-Mick affair first outed in Mick's first auto-bio? Idr. But what's up wth these guys? No class. I prefer the way Dave Stewart revealed their romance- he discussed it with Stevie before he told the world. And she okay-ed it. Very nicely done, Dave.
And while on the topic- why are women supposed to be shamed, but the guys? Nope. Gene Simmons estimates he had sex with like 3000+ women & I think it's kind of disgusting, but the world thinks he's a stud/hero.?! Ick. Whatever.

[Papillon]

Sorry I diverted.
I wonder if Joe is sick of ppl bringing up Stevie? Is it like when the 'press' asks Jennifer Aniston "So when are you going to have a baby?" Over & over & yikes.