Buckingham Nicks Reunion Rumblings

[CADreaming]

Lots of Twitter activity today over this:

Lindsey Buckingham Talks Possible Nicks Reunion
The Quietus , May 30th, 2012


In new radio documentary by Pete Paphides, Fleetwood Mac's Lindsey Buckingham says "I would love to work with Stevie [Nicks] again"
Last week, BBC Radio 4 broadcast an episode of Pete Paphides' excellent Follow Up Albums series that told the story of Fleetwood Mac's Tusk, the legendarily fraught follow-up to their massive album Rumours, which spent 30 weeks at No. 1 in the US album chart. Tusk was the third album the band recorded with the legendary duo of Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks, who had been partners for years and split during their time in the band.

The documentary is great and well worth half an hour of your time - it's on iPlayer until tomorrow, when it's replaced by the next episode - but particularly interesting is the closing section, where Buckingham suggests that he would be keen to record again with Nicks.

When asked by Paphides if he would ever record with her again, he said: "I would love to record with Stevie again. It would be such a circular thing to come back to where you started, and I think it would be magical, because that subplot is so built into the history of Fleetwood Mac. So if you talk to her, put in a good word for me [laughs]. But you already talked to her I guess."


"I did," answers Paphides on the programme, "and she seemed to make all the right noises."

"Oh good - well I have written a bunch of songs," Buckingham replied, "and I do want her to hear them, and I hope that we do [work together again]."

When we spoke to Paphides, he confirmed that when he interviewed Nicks for the programme (in a section that was never broadcast), she had mentioned that Buckingham had been working on some new songs, seemingly with a view to record them together. He had been inspired to do so after the death of Nicks' mother, whom he had known since he and Nicks got together as teenagers. Nicks was apparently due to meet Buckingham the day after Paphides' interview took place. The interview, Paphides explained, was recorded by one of Nicks' staff, and when it was sent back to him that section had been deleted.

These are early and speculative noises, certainly. But if it did happen, it would be quite the comeback: their first Buckingham Nicks recording since their 1973 self-titled album (which was instrumental in them later joining Fleetwood Mac), making for a whopping near-40 year gap.




http://http://thequietus.com/articles/08933-lindsey-buckingham-stevie-nicks-possible-reunion

[BombaySapphire3]

Rumours was number one for 31 weeks.I love the idea of Stevie and Lindsey collaborating on new music outside of Fleetwood Mac..plus seeing Mick cut out of the $ on a tour would be the icing on the cake.:lol:

[WildHearted]

I love everything about this and I hope it's all true and that it all comes to fruition.

Lindsey writing songs after Stevie's mother died... call me a sapp but... :')

[KarmaContestant]

*crosses fingers*

Please let this happen, quickly, artistically, organically and without drama.

[HejiraNYC]

Please let this happen, quickly, artistically, organically and without drama.

Um... do you have any idea about who we're dealing with here?

Amid all of this talk about the aftermath of Barbara Nicks' passing, the impact on Lindsey has never come up. It's interesting that he was so moved... almost as if she was a mother-in-law of sorts. Perhaps this is related to what Stevie was intimating back in January about a tribute album to her mother. Could this be the catalyst to a simultaneous new BN album as well as a 40-year anniversary reissue of Buckingham Nicks in digital format? Will the Mayan calendar enable this? Will this be the fifth horse of the apocalypse??

[bombaysaffires]

The interview, Paphides explained, was recorded by one of Nicks' staff, and when it was sent back to him that section had been deleted.



Does this make anyone else as pissed off as it makes me? WTF? Karen??

[sorcerer999]

Does this make anyone else as pissed off as it makes me? WTF? Karen??

To borrow words from Lena Dunham,

"What was Karen doing with that tape? Karen needs to stick to scheduling. Karen is a bitch."

[louielouie2000]

If a Buckingham Nicks album is what it takes to get to another Mac album, I'm totally fine with that (I'm still a big fan of the McVie bass line, so I'm holding out hope for more Mac). But it sounds like Lindsey is saying it may be the final of all albums for them? Let's hope that's just romantic speculation from him. :)

[egg cream]

Does this make anyone else as pissed off as it makes me? WTF? Karen??

Forget Karen. Why did Paphides let his subject control the only copy of the recording? That is some amateur-level journalisting -- no wonder it took him four months to schedule an interview with Lindsey.

[bombaysaffires]

Forget Karen. Why did Paphides let his subject control the only copy of the recording? That is some amateur-level journalisting -- no wonder it took him four months to schedule an interview with Lindsey.

Agreed. You wonder if that was a condition of the interview "we get final edit"? Still, agree it's poor journalism to allow that and/or to give the interviewee the only copy of the whole thing.

Just to be clear, I wasn't saying it was Karen, I was asking who the member of Stevie's team it might have been (hence the two question marks after her name). It could just as easily been her PR people or anyone else, or even Stevie herself.

[elle]

Forget Karen. Why did Paphides let his subject control the only copy of the recording? That is some amateur-level journalisting -- no wonder it took him four months to schedule an interview with Lindsey.

Agreed. You wonder if that was a condition of the interview "we get final edit"? Still, agree it's poor journalism to allow that and/or to give the interviewee the only copy of the whole thing.

whatever it is, he had better and more direct questions and received better (or at least somewhat different) responses from all of them than any other interviewer did for decades. so i will not complain about Paphides' methodology - it yielded results!

[CADreaming]

Forget Karen. Why did Paphides let his subject control the only copy of the recording?

Please. Someone as high profile and who has been around as long as Stevie -- sure they control what gets out there. You've got to be able to use it for you and control it when it goes against you. It's a means to an end. I'd be more curious to see if the journalist ever works in this town again... :lol:

[egg cream]

Please. Someone as high profile and who has been around as long as Stevie -- sure they control what gets out there. You've got to be able to use it for you and control it when it goes against you. It's a means to an end. I'd be more curious to see if the journalist ever works in this town again... :lol:

I know of stars asking for all sorts of control over the final product, and I know of journalists granting it -- but giving them control over the actual recording is a new one to me.

One thing that's curious to me -- according to Paphides, in the deleted bit Stevie said she was due to meet Lindsey the next day, and was aware of all the new songs he had written. But in the Lindsey interview, some time after that, Lindsey asks Paphides to put in a good word for him with Stevie, and says he wants her to hear his new songs. So what happened? Did they not meet? Did they meet, but not talk at all about the new songs or the possibility of recording together? Is Paphides bull****ting about what Stevie said in that deleted section of the recording? Was Stevie bull****ting about being due to meet Lindsey the next day? Was Lindsey bull****ting about her not having heard the songs? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop? The world may never know (because Karen deleted the part of the tape where Stevie told us).

[CADreaming]

I know of stars asking for all sorts of control over the final product, and I know of journalists granting it -- but giving them control over the actual recording is a new one to me.

One thing that's curious to me -- according to Paphides, in the deleted bit Stevie said she was due to meet Lindsey the next day, and was aware of all the new songs he had written. But in the Lindsey interview, some time after that, Lindsey asks Paphides to put in a good word for him with Stevie, and says he wants her to hear his new songs. So what happened? Did they not meet? Did they meet, but not talk at all about the new songs or the possibility of recording together? Is Paphides bull****ting about what Stevie said in that deleted section of the recording? Was Stevie bull****ting about being due to meet Lindsey the next day? Was Lindsey bull****ting about her not having heard the songs? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop? The world may never know (because Karen deleted the part of the tape where Stevie told us).

:lol::lol:

Lindsey already knew the guy had talked to Stevie and Stevie already knew the songs existed and even what inspired them - so doesn't it stand to reason Lindsey had already played the songs for her?

I know, I know -- I wish they would get their stories straight too but they seem to enjoy it so much. For instance, when Stevie was recording IYD, Lindsey downright said he started going down there and hanging out with her and Dave Stewart and even asked did they need anything - then later when Stevie got her press going she twisted the story a little to say she called Lindsey and asked him if he would help on SA and how he was only there for two days -- lest anyone get the idea he had been "hanging out" with her -- because for God's sake he does not do that, remember?! LOL.

So, let's not muddy the waters with particulars because we'll never know anyway. Let's just accept that there are new songs and that the BN are making their way toward doing something useful together. :)

But, if you find out about that Tootsie roll pop let me know. I've been wondering about that since 1977. ;)

[WildHearted]

In regards to the stories not matching up (is it me, or is this a trend with those two?), I kind of figured it was just Lindsey playing coy and not wanting to give too much away without permission from Stevie or the two of them being on the same page- an attempt to prevent drama, if you will. Especially because of his whole "But you already talked to her, didn't you?" quip, which I kind of took as a what-do-you-already-know type inquisition.

So in my mind it's something like, Lindsey and Stevie obviously had some communication before Stevie's interview, after which they may or may not have met up to discuss further, listen to songs, and whatnot. Then Lindsey does his interview and states his desires but doesn't really give any specifics on what has/hasn't happened so as not to bite the bullet or anything. I think it definitely seems like Lindsey is the primary instigator of this endeavor and he's probably trying to flatter Stevie and play nice with her so he stays on her good side... and I think he knows what he's doing... I can imagine the inflection in her voice when she told Paphides how Lindsey was inspired by her mother and how they've known each other since they were teenagers etc.

[SteveMacD]

Okay, all I saw was that Lindsey would like to do another record with with Stevie. I DON'T see anything remotely suggesting that it would be as Buckingham Nicks, not Fleetwood Mac.

[michelej1]

Um... do you have any idea about who we're dealing with here?

Amid all of this talk about the aftermath of Barbara Nicks' passing, the impact on Lindsey has never come up. It's interesting that he was so moved... almost as if she was a mother-in-law of sorts. Perhaps this is related to what Stevie was intimating back in January about a tribute album to her mother. Could this be the catalyst to a simultaneous new BN album as well as a 40-year anniversary reissue of Buckingham Nicks in digital format? Will the Mayan calendar enable this? Will this be the fifth horse of the apocalypse??

Wow, yeah. I think Lindsey just is ready for BN anyway, death or not, Stevie did say that both of her parents adored Lindsey and in talking about AHI Barbara Nicks also said that after his own father died due to heart problems, Lindsey became closer to them. Now, by the time MB died, Lindsey and Stevie weren't even living near the Nicks' anymore, but whatever the time frame, I guess there was probably a point where Lindsey did hang around her parents' house a lot.

Stevie said her dad loved to hear their demos and Javier said that when they were in Fritz while Lindsey's mom would give them lemonade when he visited, Stevie's mom would ask the boys why they weren't in Vietnam, when they came round to get her daughter. The kids probably got on her nerves, but the way she went to Lindsey's concerts when he was in town when she was in her eighties, I gathered that she loved him. I mean, she'd go to a couple of concerts per tour, not just one obligatory appearance. For his part, I guess even aside from his affection for her, her passing just brings all these feelings of mortality out. He's in the next generation to go. I can see why the event would inspire someone to write songs. I bet Stevie has written a lot of poetry herself, lately.

Michele

[michelej1]

I think it definitely seems like Lindsey is the primary instigator of this endeavor and he's probably trying to flatter Stevie and play nice with her so he stays on her good side... and I think he knows what he's doing....

Yes, this reminds me of Destiny Rules when he starts crying and turns his chair away from her as she looks on and twirls her hair. He is ACTING and working her. Between him and Mick this girl gets worked like crazy. I don't know how she still manages to stand. He probably went into his attic and got some 1997 thing from the original Gift of Screws and told her he created it the night she called and told him about Barbara passing on.

As for deleting that part of the interview, if they had info in there that they didn't want to let out of the bag yet, I fully understand. At least we got a little good gossip.

Michele

[APerfectLie]

I love the idea of Stevie and Linds working together again, but ,sorry to burst anyone's bubble, even if they start a project out as BuckinghamNicks, it will inevitably be turned into Fleetwood Mac. You know for a fact that Mick would show up at their doorstep with some puppy dog look on his face begging to be a part of it. And even if Stevie and Lindsey had enough willpower to say no to him, there are many more powers that control things other than Stevie and Lindsey. Stevie Nicks took the advice of her management and chose not to record a solo album in 2005, it would be even easier for them to convince her to make a BN album a Mac album. These two won't/can't rerelease the original album! At BEST they may record something "BuckinghamNicks" and then tour with Fleetwood Mac to support it.

[michelej1]

I love the idea of Stevie and Linds working together again, but ,sorry to burst anyone's bubble, even if they start a project out as BuckinghamNicks, it will inevitably be turned into Fleetwood Mac. You know for a fact that Mick would show up at their doorstep with some puppy dog look on his face begging to be a part of it.

You may be right and I like this just fine. As long as we get new music I don't care what they call themselves. Except for the fact that BN concert tickets would be cheaper for me to buy, I would prefer to have them tour with FM anyway and I want John and Mick to have money. SnL are the frontmen anyway, so I'll still see the two of them doing whatever it is they do together.

Michele

[SteveMacD]

With Christine gone, I don't get why it matters to Stevie or Lindsey fans if it's Fleetwood Mac or Buckingham Nicks at this point. In my mind, BN's "Crystal" almost sounds like a demo compared to FM's. And BN's live "Rhiannon" was no match for FM. John McVie and Mick Fleetwood were the best thing to ever happen to them.

[iamnotafraid]

John McVie and Mick Fleetwood were the best thing to ever happen to them.


At this point I'd disagree. If there were to be a
Buckingham Nicks Tour or just some new music,
I wish they'd do it without the rest of the Mac. You
know, go out like you came in.*


*does not include wrinkles, lbs, loss of hair etc...

[darklinensuit]

With Christine gone, I don't get why it matters to Stevie or Lindsey fans if it's Fleetwood Mac or Buckingham Nicks at this point.

It matters to me because I'd like to see a full show with just Stevie & Lindsey & no back-up musicians. All acoustic guitar. That's a far cry from the overcrowded stage of recent Mac tours.

- Jake

[wildheart048]

This would be amazing. I do agree that 'Say You Will' was essentially BN 2 with an awesome rhythm section, and also that it would possibly/probably morph into FM... or at the very least, Mick and John would 'guest' on it (which would be great!)
BUT if it's successful, it might FINALLY pave the way for BN to be released, and at the very least we might get some of those songs live (on the assumed follow up tour, I mean...)
Anyway, I'd be thrilled with something new from them - whomever it ends up being credited to!

[CADreaming]

A Buckingham Nicks reunion means Buckingham Nicks songs - and not just one or two thrown into a Fleetwood Mac set list, please.

I could even handle more new stuff in the vein of SA. That's a very nice start.

[vivfox]

A Buckingham Nicks reunion means Buckingham Nicks songs - and not just one or two thrown into a Fleetwood Mac set list, please.

I could even handle more new stuff in the vein of SA. That's a very nice start.

This would be ideal but this is Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham we are dealing with here. They'd play their usual set lists with maybe two new songs thrown in and we'll still grumble about it like we always do. Of course some of the fans we'll complain about us complaining and state how happy they would be if they sing whatever they want or just sing the phone book for all they'd care.

[jbrownsjr]

It matters to me because I'd like to see a full show with just Stevie & Lindsey & no back-up musicians. All acoustic guitar. That's a far cry from the overcrowded stage of recent Mac tours.

- Jake

Even better would be the original band they had. give or take one or two..

[jbrownsjr]

This would be ideal but this is Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham we are dealing with here. They'd play their usual set lists with maybe two new songs thrown in and we'll still grumble about it like we always do. Of course some of the fans we'll complain about us complaining and state how happy they would be if they sing whatever they want or just sing the phone book for all they'd care.

Well stated.

[jbrownsjr]

A Buckingham Nicks reunion means Buckingham Nicks songs - and not just one or two thrown into a Fleetwood Mac set list, please.

I could even handle more new stuff in the vein of SA. That's a very nice start.

How about only 2 FM songs...

The rest B/N and selected solo pieces from each member. Imagine Bella Donna with LB on guitar, or Don't Look Down w/ Stevie.

They could really use some imagination here.

[SteveMacD]

At this point I'd disagree. If there were to be a
Buckingham Nicks Tour or just some new music,
I wish they'd do it without the rest of the Mac. You
know, go out like you came in.
No, I don't know. It wasn't nearly as good.

It matters to me because I'd like to see a full show with just Stevie & Lindsey & no back-up musicians. All acoustic guitar. That's a far cry from the overcrowded stage of recent Mac tours.

I don’t see how the whole “mini-Mac” thing is the fault of Mick or John.

The back-up singers are Stevie’s; always have been.

Lindsey’s the one who has canned backing vocals and instrumentation at his solo shows (i.e. “Down On Rodeo”), which has made its way into Fleetwood Mac shows (i.e. “Go Insane”). Also, he’s the one who wanted all of the extra musicians.

When the “Time” band toured, they had Mick, John, Billy, Bekka, Dave, and Steve Thoma (who was sitting in for Christine, who was still in the band, just not touring).

When Mick toured with Rick Vito, it was as a warts and all quartet.

It’s Stevie and Lindsey who muddy up the waters with the whole mini-Mac thing. They’re the ones who want the songs to sound just like the record live, not Mick or John.
A Buckingham Nicks reunion means Buckingham Nicks songs - and not just one or two thrown into a Fleetwood Mac set list, please.
How do you know that Mick and John are the reasons more BN songs aren't in the set? IIRC, it was John McVie's idea to record "Crystal" on the white album.
They could really use some imagination here.
Yeah, they COULD, but they WON'T.

In any event, nobody has answered where it stated that whatever might be released would be as Buckingham Nicks.

It'll never happen. There's WAY more money to be made as Fleetwood Mac. If there wasn't, they would have done a "Buckingham Nicks II" album years ago.

[WildHearted]

No, I don't know. It wasn't nearly as good.



I don’t see how the whole “mini-Mac” thing is the fault of Mick or John.

The back-up singers are Stevie’s; always have been.

Lindsey’s the one who has canned backing vocals and instrumentation at his solo shows (i.e. “Down On Rodeo”), which has made its way into Fleetwood Mac shows (i.e. “Go Insane”). Also, he’s the one who wanted all of the extra musicians.

When the “Time” band toured, they had Mick, John, Billy, Bekka, Dave, and Steve Thoma (who was sitting in for Christine, who was still in the band, just not touring).

When Mick toured with Rick Vito, it was as a warts and all quartet.

It’s Stevie and Lindsey who muddy up the waters with the whole mini-Mac thing. They’re the ones who want the songs to sound just like the record live, not Mick or John.

How do you know that Mick and John are the reasons more BN songs aren't in the set? IIRC, it was John McVie's idea to record "Crystal" on the white album.

Yeah, they COULD, but they WON'T.

In any event, nobody has answered where it stated that whatever might be released would be as Buckingham Nicks.

It'll never happen. There's WAY more money to be made as Fleetwood Mac. If there wasn't, they would have done a "Buckingham Nicks II" album years ago.

I thought the whole thing gave off an overwhelming implication of BN... for instance, Lindsey saying he wanted it to come full circle, so they could go out the same way they came in - as Buckingham Nicks, not Fleetwood Mac.

Not to mention that Lindsey has been specifically mentioning the BN album, and the possibility of doing something with just Stevie again all throughout the promotion of SWS, so this just ties right along in with that.

[darklinensuit]

I don’t see how the whole “mini-Mac” thing is the fault of Mick or John.



:shrug: I don't see that I said anything of the sort. All I posted is that I want two singers & one guitar on the stage, which would give a very different vibe from recent Mac shows.

- Jake

[SteveMacD]

I thought the whole thing gave off an overwhelming implication of BN... for instance, Lindsey saying he wanted it to come full circle, so they could go out the same way they came in - as Buckingham Nicks, not Fleetwood Mac.
See, I've always read that as he'd like to approach the writing process like they did as Buckingham Nicks, which wasn't the case on SYW, which was basically her songs plastered on what had been his solo album. However, I'd be willing to bet that whatever they release together will be as part of Fleetwood Mac.


Not to mention that Lindsey has been specifically mentioning the BN album, and the possibility of doing something with just Stevie again all throughout the promotion of SWS, so this just ties right along in with that.
The way I've read that is that more of a "We're going to do another Fleetwood Mac tour without an album, so we're going to reissue the BN album and tour behind the reissue with Fleetwood Mac, and then, hopefully, we'll make a new record."

[KarmaContestant]

Um... do you have any idea about who we're dealing with here?


Yes! And that is exactly why I made my wish!

[Villavic]

a new Buckingham Nicks album... sure it will contain several interesting songs.

a new Fleetwood Mac album (Say you will lineup)... sure it will contain several interesting songs.

The same songs for sure :nod:. Then I choose the Fleetwood Mac album

[HejiraNYC]

a new Buckingham Nicks album... sure it will contain several interesting songs.

a new Fleetwood Mac album (Say you will lineup)... sure it will contain several interesting songs.

The same songs for sure :nod:. Then I choose the Fleetwood Mac album

Although doing a new Fleetwood Mac would seem to be the most obvious thing to do from a commercial standpoint, I think a sparer, folkier-sounding album in the vein of the original Buckingham Nicks may actually be even more commercially appealing in this day and age. Rock and roll, namely the big-time arena brand of rock and roll, is dead. But bands like Bon Iver, Wilco, The Fleet Foxes, Mumford and Sons, Robert Plant & Alison Krauss, etc., are in this post-rock vein that kinda resembles country at times without copping to the twangy, chicken-fried schmaltz being churned out by Nashville these days. It is its own kind of quiet rebellion against the synthetic, computerized din of modern pop music and these acts have been very successful commercially as album artists. I think a spare, rootsy album using the song "Storms" as a sonic template (maybe even containing a cover or two) by Stevie and Lindsey could be a sleeper hit.

In any case, regardless of whether they are working on BN, FM or solo albums, I will be happy no matter what. Just as long as they keep writing, recording and performing.

[billwebster]

A new Buckingham Nicks album would be very cool. The label might not like it that much, though, because Fleetwood Mac is their big product instead.
Yet, a Buckingham Nicks reunion could spare us Stevie's conditions for her participation in a FM reunion: either Sheryl Crow or another new 2nd female lead singer or an outside producer.

Mick Fleetwood must beat those drums hard at the sheer thought of it but who knows.

[Christopher]

Although doing a new Fleetwood Mac would seem to be the most obvious thing to do from a commercial standpoint, I think a sparer, folkier-sounding album in the vein of the original Buckingham Nicks may actually be even more commercially appealing in this day and age. Rock and roll, namely the big-time arena brand of rock and roll, is dead. But bands like Bon Iver, Wilco, The Fleet Foxes, Mumford and Sons, Robert Plant & Alison Krauss, etc., are in this post-rock vein that kinda resembles country at times without copping to the twangy, chicken-fried schmaltz being churned out by Nashville these days. It is its own kind of quiet rebellion against the synthetic, computerized din of modern pop music and these acts have been very successful commercially as album artists. I think a spare, rootsy album using the song "Storms" as a sonic template (maybe even containing a cover or two) by Stevie and Lindsey could be a sleeper hit.

In any case, regardless of whether they are working on BN, FM or solo albums, I will be happy no matter what. Just as long as they keep writing, recording and performing.

You're right on point here! FM or BN need an "outside their norm" Tusk II rebooted if you will, rootsy, not overly polished record! From the folkier new artists you listed all the way to old timers having astonishing to admirable success (Lionel Richie & Bonnie Raitts' new cd's) - the latter of which interestingly is still hanging in the Top 40 nearly 2 months after its release, selling steadily & has probably out sold Stevies' IYD 2 to 1 by now, are all indicators that Stevie & Lindsey need to go back to their roots. Full circle.

But somehow I can't help but be cynical and expect that they will tour 2013 without any new material whatsoever:distress:. Just another cash grab tour:(!
With any luck, Hopefully they (Stevie & Lindsey) are still creatively motivated regardless of outcome to record something. However Micks gonna be chomping at the bit to hit the road sooner than later, over spending up to a year in the studio recording, esp since he has less incentive financially, add in his current state of affairs! This is a big tangled messy sticky web they've weaved.

And the rumours are flying...

[fairydust75]

As much as I would love to have a Buckingham Nicks, Nicks and Buckingham re-release I just don't think that they could handle spending that much time together. Lindsey seems to talk a lot about wanting to have some sort of miracle to happen where he can finally have closure. Stevie just doesn't trust him, she becomes very defensive and keeps her guard up. Stevie gets stressed out and hasn't fully enjoyed the past two Mac tours. She has forgiven lots of her ex lover's and maintained friendship's, but with Lindsey I believe she has forgiven but not forgot. The lyrics to 'You May Be The One' describe the time after the SYW recordings. It's just too much water under that bridge. But it seems very important to Lindsey so who knows?

[SteveMacD]

I think a sparer, folkier-sounding album in the vein of the original Buckingham Nicks may actually be even more commercially appealing in this day and age.
I agree, but, that could just as easily be done in the context of Fleetwood Mac. Just listen to Kiln House, Future Games, and Bare Trees for proof. Mick and John are just players working with what they're given.

[elle]

See, I've always read that as he'd like to approach the writing process like they did as Buckingham Nicks, which wasn't the case on SYW, which was basically her songs plastered on what had been his solo album. However, I'd be willing to bet that whatever they release together will be as part of Fleetwood Mac.


The way I've read that is that more of a "We're going to do another Fleetwood Mac tour without an album, so we're going to reissue the BN album and tour behind the reissue with Fleetwood Mac, and then, hopefully, we'll make a new record."

Lindsey was very clear during his Q&A last year that he'd like to re-release BN with Stevie (in 2013) plus add more songs and maybe have a small tour behind it - as BN.

since album sales don't make much money for artists these days i don't see FM (or whatever label they may have) insisting on new BN songs becoming an FM album, but i might be wrong.

however, i can easily see FM touring behind this [imaginary] BN release and maybe throwing in some extra solo songs (Mick said something similar in FM remastered BTM), since obviously money is in touring for a band like FM.

[louielouie2000]

Although doing a new Fleetwood Mac would seem to be the most obvious thing to do from a commercial standpoint, I think a sparer, folkier-sounding album in the vein of the original Buckingham Nicks may actually be even more commercially appealing in this day and age. Rock and roll, namely the big-time arena brand of rock and roll, is dead. But bands like Bon Iver, Wilco, The Fleet Foxes, Mumford and Sons, Robert Plant & Alison Krauss, etc., are in this post-rock vein that kinda resembles country at times without copping to the twangy, chicken-fried schmaltz being churned out by Nashville these days. It is its own kind of quiet rebellion against the synthetic, computerized din of modern pop music and these acts have been very successful commercially as album artists. I think a spare, rootsy album using the song "Storms" as a sonic template (maybe even containing a cover or two) by Stevie and Lindsey could be a sleeper hit.

In any case, regardless of whether they are working on BN, FM or solo albums, I will be happy no matter what. Just as long as they keep writing, recording and performing.

You have perfectly described my ultimate dream. :nod:

I agree, but, that could just as easily be done in the context of Fleetwood Mac. Just listen to Kiln House, Future Games, and Bare Trees for proof. Mick and John are just players working with what they're given.

I'm a total sucker for Fleetwood Mac. It's the zenith of all it's respective members careers. McVie's bass is pure magic. Mick brings an infectious energy into anything he's involved in. All these various solo albums the group members have made over the past dozen odd years have been gorgeous; some of the best works of their respective careers. They've left me longing for more Mac music, though. I still think there's some life left somewhere in the Fleetwood Mac machine.

That being said, a Buckingham Nicks album is starting to pique my interest, though. There is a certain sound that is expected out of Fleetwood Mac these days. There are certain touring expectations that would be unavoidable. At some point, a new Mac album would morph into another oldies cash grab tour. The pressures of a looming arena tour would almost certainly influence the sound of the music made in the studio. Theoretically speaking, S&L could bypass all that by making a Buckingham Nicks album. They could craft the kind of art they want to make. Hell, I wouldn't even care if they made their album, then ran off and did a Mac oldies tour to cover the costs. I just want something new & different from those two. A new Fleetwood Mac album would be the pinnacle for me... but then again, maybe not. Maybe the Fleetwood Mac name carries too much baggage for it's respective members these days. Maybe S & L would make better music together without the pressure of that name & institution looming over their heads? :shrug:

[CADreaming]

How about only 2 FM songs...

The rest B/N and selected solo pieces from each member. Imagine Bella Donna with LB on guitar, or Don't Look Down w/ Stevie.

They could really use some imagination here.

I hope if they pursue a true BN reunion, they will put imagination into it and give it the attention it deserves. Handle with care.

How do you know that Mick and John are the reasons more BN songs aren't in the set? IIRC, it was John McVie's idea to record "Crystal" on the white album.

I didn't say anything about Mick or John. :shrug:

In any event, nobody has answered where it stated that whatever might be released would be as Buckingham Nicks.

Both Stevie and Lindsey have been throwing around Buckingham Nicks hints for the last few years. They have both talked about releasing it on CD saying "we will make sure it happens" and also insinutating some kind of tour would be appropriate for a re-release. Stevie has said SA brought them back to being more "BN" since 1973 and Lindsey has continually said how great it would be to come full circle.


It'll never happen. There's WAY more money to be made as Fleetwood Mac. If there wasn't, they would have done a "Buckingham Nicks II" album years ago.

A BN reunion would not be about the money per se. It's about nostalgia and as Lindsey says, coming full circle. Not having the opportunity to do a BN II in the past is exactly why Lindsey would want to do it. He didn't want to join FM to begin with, he wanted to continue BN. I could see in his mind how it would be a way to honor what never had a chance to come to fruition.

“Buckingham Nicks had to bite the bullet for Fleetwood Mac, That’s a choice. We’ll never quite know exactly what would have happened if we had gone the other way. …And of course, that’s the thing that Lindsey probably gets the most upset about in his heart sometimes ~ he wonders what would have happened if it had just been the two of us. … Which is not to say we don’t love Fleetwood Mac. We do. But it would have been a whole other life." - Stevie Nicks

I thought the whole thing gave off an overwhelming implication of BN... for instance, Lindsey saying he wanted it to come full circle, so they could go out the same way they came in - as Buckingham Nicks, not Fleetwood Mac.

Not to mention that Lindsey has been specifically mentioning the BN album, and the possibility of doing something with just Stevie again all throughout the promotion of SWS, so this just ties right along in with that.

Exactly.

See, I've always read that as he'd like to approach the writing process like they did as Buckingham Nicks, which wasn't the case on SYW, which was basically her songs plastered on what had been his solo album.

They didn't approach SYW any differently than they have anything for 30 years. It was planned they would do another studio album after The Dance ended and no one's solo stuff was hijacked. Lindsey and Stevie both put songs into the FM hat and decided what to use. The only surprises may have been the new songs Stevie brought in and that Lindsey had not already been working on for a year.


Although doing a new Fleetwood Mac would seem to be the most obvious thing to do from a commercial standpoint, I think a sparer, folkier-sounding album in the vein of the original Buckingham Nicks may actually be even more commercially appealing in this day and age. Rock and roll, namely the big-time arena brand of rock and roll, is dead. But bands like Bon Iver, Wilco, The Fleet Foxes, Mumford and Sons, Robert Plant & Alison Krauss, etc., are in this post-rock vein that kinda resembles country at times without copping to the twangy, chicken-fried schmaltz being churned out by Nashville these days. It is its own kind of quiet rebellion against the synthetic, computerized din of modern pop music and these acts have been very successful commercially as album artists. I think a spare, rootsy album using the song "Storms" as a sonic template (maybe even containing a cover or two) by Stevie and Lindsey could be a sleeper hit.

In any case, regardless of whether they are working on BN, FM or solo albums, I will be happy no matter what. Just as long as they keep writing, recording and performing.

Totally agree.

A new Buckingham Nicks album would be very cool. The label might not like it that much, though, because Fleetwood Mac is their big product instead.

What label? They are a free agent.

Yet, a Buckingham Nicks reunion could spare us Stevie's conditions for her participation in a FM reunion: either Sheryl Crow or another new 2nd female lead singer or an outside producer.

That horse has been dead for years. Stevie: “As far as having another girl in the band, after we went through that we really realized that there wasn’t going to be another woman that could come into this band who could fit,” she said. “I was looking at it three years ago as a buffer between me and Lindsey. Lindsey and I don’t need a buffer. Certainly Sheryl Crow and not any woman in the world is going to be able to get in the middle of Lindsay and me. The fact is if Lindsey and I can’t work out our problems by ourselves we might as well throw in the towel. That's what we are currently trying to do is work out own problems and certainly another person could not do that for us. Think about this - Christine has been gone since 1998 so I have been the only girl in this band for a long, long time. I’m used to it now. At first I was not used to it. After ‘The Dance’ was horrifying for me. She has been gone time and I’m fine with it now”.

As much as I would love to have a Buckingham Nicks, Nicks and Buckingham re-release I just don't think that they could handle spending that much time together. Lindsey seems to talk a lot about wanting to have some sort of miracle to happen where he can finally have closure. Stevie just doesn't trust him, she becomes very defensive and keeps her guard up. Stevie gets stressed out and hasn't fully enjoyed the past two Mac tours.

Seriously? These people have done three world tours together in the past several years. They don't even have to see each other offstage if they don't choose to. But aside from that - a BN tour would in no way become a FM world tour. And, she did have fun during Unleashed.

Lindsey was very clear during his Q&A last year that he'd like to re-release BN with Stevie (in 2013) plus add more songs and maybe have a small tour behind it - as BN.

since album sales don't make much money for artists these days i don't see FM (or whatever label they may have) insisting on new BN songs becoming an FM album, but i might be wrong.

however, i can easily see FM touring behind this [imaginary] BN release and maybe throwing in some extra solo songs (Mick said something similar in FM remastered BTM), since obviously money is in touring for a band like FM.

Lindsey has touted the BN tour since 2006. He said then that management would want that in conjunction with a BN re-release. I agree a new BN project would not at all be a new FM album. They could even release it independently as LB did with SWS.


The pressures of a looming arena tour would almost certainly influence the sound of the music made in the studio. Theoretically speaking, S&L could bypass all that by making a Buckingham Nicks album. They could craft the kind of art they want to make. Hell, I wouldn't even care if they made their album, then ran off and did a Mac oldies tour to cover the costs. I just want something new & different from those two. A new Fleetwood Mac album would be the pinnacle for me... but then again, maybe not. Maybe the Fleetwood Mac name carries too much baggage for it's respective members these days. Maybe S & L would make better music together without the pressure of that name & institution looming over their heads? :shrug:

Great points, Louie. I agree. Hopefully the last two solo projects have inspired Stevie and Lindsey to embrace being independent artists. I would be really interested to hear what BN would sound like today.

[HejiraNYC]

That being said, a Buckingham Nicks album is starting to pique my interest, though. There is a certain sound that is expected out of Fleetwood Mac these days. There are certain touring expectations that would be unavoidable. At some point, a new Mac album would morph into another oldies cash grab tour. The pressures of a looming arena tour would almost certainly influence the sound of the music made in the studio. Theoretically speaking, S&L could bypass all that by making a Buckingham Nicks album. They could craft the kind of art they want to make. Hell, I wouldn't even care if they made their album, then ran off and did a Mac oldies tour to cover the costs. I just want something new & different from those two. A new Fleetwood Mac album would be the pinnacle for me... but then again, maybe not. Maybe the Fleetwood Mac name carries too much baggage for it's respective members these days. Maybe S & L would make better music together without the pressure of that name & institution looming over their heads? :shrug:

That's the thing about any new Fleetwood Mac album- it will have to sound like Fleetwood Mac and it will be subject to all of the baggage that goes with it. A new Buckingham Nicks album is intriguing because there really aren't any rules. I mean, would Fleetwood Mac have produced songs like "Italian Summer," "Edge of Seventeen," or "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around," "Shut Us Down," or "Street of Dreams?" I suspect not. Don't get me wrong- I would love me some new Fleetwood Mac. But I first want to see what Stevie and Lindsey can do together without any preconceived notions or expectations. But then again, putting them together in a studio all alone for an extended period is like a spark looking for a powder keg- it's a volatile mix! It will either be an amazing, healing experience or the final nail in the coffin of Lindsey and Stevie ever collaborating again.

[Tango]

it's a volatile mix!



I definitely agree with you. Logic says "it can't be done." "You will never rule me, the way you ruled me," the boa constrictor and the rat, etc. But then you listen to Twisted or Soldier's Angel: Stevie and Lindsey can work together when they want to for at least short periods of time. Stevie made an appearance at one of Lindsey's solo events which appears on his DVD "Sound Stage Presents - Lindsey Buckingham With Special Guest Stevie Nicks." Lindsey showed up and performed at her "Stevie Nicks & Friends" gig.

But a whole album? Do they want to attempt that? There is definitely more cash in the big machine name of Fleetwood Mac.

[SteveMacD]

I didn't say anything about Mick or John. :shrug:

Well, when you suggest they can do something as Buckingham Nicks that they couldn’t do as Fleetwood Mac, and the only difference between the two bands is that one has Mick and John while the other does not, what other possible conclusion could one come to?

They didn't approach SYW any differently than they have anything for 30 years. It was planned they would do another studio album after The Dance ended and no one's solo stuff was hijacked.

Wrong. First, the most obvious difference is NO CHRISTINE. Second, Lindsey's material was for the "Gift Of Screws" album. That's well documented. Yes, he CHOSE to release it under the Fleetwood Mac name, but it had been part of a solo project.

Lindsey has touted the BN tour since 2006. He said then that management would want that in conjunction with a BN re-release. I agree a new BN project would not at all be a new FM album. They could even release it independently as LB did with SWS.

Again, aside from no Mick or John, I don't see the difference between the two bands.

There is a certain sound that is expected out of Fleetwood Mac these days. There are certain touring expectations that would be unavoidable. At some point, a new Mac album would morph into another oldies cash grab tour.
Fleetwood Mac had “a sound” in 1978. It didn’t stop them from making “Tusk.” I don’t see why now would be any different. The only thing stopping them at this point is themselves.

But all of them are so far beyond being the artists they tout themselves as being that the thought of them taking risks is laughable. I'd take Lindsey more seriously if he didn't used canned backing vocals and music at his shows, but that's another issue altogether.

[CADreaming]

Well, when you suggest they can do something as Buckingham Nicks that they couldn’t do as Fleetwood Mac, and the only difference between the two bands is that one has Mick and John while the other does not, what other possible conclusion could one come to?

Hmmm... Ask Mick.

I was pointing out that I would prefer a true BN set list as opposed to a small two song gesture thrown into a FM set. For the billionth time there is a difference and I doubt Mick & John have any say so in the set.


Wrong. First, the most obvious difference is NO CHRISTINE. Second, Lindsey's material was for the "Gift Of Screws" album. That's well documented. Yes, he CHOSE to release it under the Fleetwood Mac name, but it had been part of a solo project.

Stevie was interviewed on camera at the end of The Dance tour. She said at that time they knew Christine was retiring and would not return but that they had every intention of doing another album within the next five years and that was definitely the plan. It was a premeditated project and as I said, it was the writers choice as to what songs they felt they wanted to convey as Fleetwood Mac instead of interpreting them in their solo projects. There are probably 20-30 songs that they sift through and think "Mac" or "solo" for any given album. It's not some song stealing frenzy...

Again, aside from no Mick or John, I don't see the difference between the two bands.

Which is why you are clearly not a Buckingham Nicks fan.

I hope Fleetwood Mac does something again too, but I would hope a new Buckingham Nicks / re-release and tour would happen more.

[SteveMacD]

Which is why you are clearly not a Buckingham Nicks fan.

BECAUSE THEY'RE THE SAME BAND NOW!!!

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[CADreaming]

BECAUSE THEY'RE THE SAME BAND NOW!!!



If they are the same now when were they ever Fleetwood Mac?? Are you saying that Christine McVie defined Fleetwood Mac? I am saying Buckingham Nicks songs define Buckingham Nicks. With the exception of Crystal and Don't Let Me Down Again - Buckingham Nicks songs have not been released in Fleetwood Mac. Crystal has never been performed live and the last time they did DLMDA was 8 years ago for two shows (maybe).

Soldier's Angel is a great example of the Buckingham Nicks sound.

PS -- The image looks strangely like Javier Pacheco....

[SteveMacD]

If they are the same now when were they ever Fleetwood Mac??
Buckingham Nicks only had two singers: Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. Fleetwood Mac only has two singers now: Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks.

Are you saying that Christine McVie defined Fleetwood Mac?
YES!!! She's been on all but two Fleetwood Mac albums (the very first album and the Chicago blues jam album that was never intended for release). Her keyboard playing was a HUGE part of the Fleetwood Mac sound. She wasn't the single defining member of the band. There isn't one, by Peter Green's original design. But, she most definitely helped define the Fleetwood Mac sound. With her gone, there's no obligation to have keyboards in the music anymore. That means they can take a much lighter approach to the music. They could actually do stuff as a quartet. Remember NGBA from the SYW tour? I do, and I don't think that's too far from the Buckingham Nicks sound.

Where do I sign up to have "Frozen Love" played instead of "Don't Stop" because I'm kind of sick of the latter. I think the thing MOST people on here have complained about is the utter lack of creativity in the set-list.

I think they could do the whole BN album, with SA and whatever thrown in at this point. Not only would I love for them to do the entire BN album, but also add some of the old folky Danny Kirwan songs (Station Man, Sometimes, etc, Dust.) to the mix. The ***ONLY*** thing hold them back from doing that now is themselves.

I am saying Buckingham Nicks songs define Buckingham Nicks. With the exception of Crystal and Don't Let Me Down Again - Buckingham Nicks songs have not been released in Fleetwood Mac. Crystal has never been performed live and the last time they did DLMDA was 8 years ago for two shows (maybe).
Again, I don't think that Mick and John had anything to do with that. I mean, I think they've always played the Buckingham Nicks stuff with the utmost respect.

Fleetwood Mac said "screw your expectations" in 1979 and survived. Actually, they're held in much higher regard today because of it today. But, trying to live up to the "Rumours" expectation has really killed the band for the past 30 years (especially during the BTM and "Time" eras, where they held people back). I say go back to the 1979 philosophy all the way around.

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Sounds about the same here. Okay, Christine's keyboard parts do fill it out, but not offensively.

[CADreaming]

Buckingham Nicks only had two singers: Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. Fleetwood Mac only has two singers now: Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks.

and Sharon and Lori and Jana...


YES!!! She's been on all but two Fleetwood Mac albums (the very first album and the Chicago blues jam album that was never intended for release). Her keyboard playing was a HUGE part of the Fleetwood Mac sound. She wasn't the single defining member of the band. There isn't one, by Peter Green's original design. But, she most definitely helped define the Fleetwood Mac sound. With her gone, there's no obligation to have keyboards in the music anymore. That means they can take a much lighter approach to the music. They could actually do stuff as a quartet. Remember NGBA from the SYW tour? I do, and I don't think that's too far from the Buckingham Nicks sound.

Where do I sign up to have "Frozen Love" played instead of "Don't Stop" because I'm kind of sick of the latter. I think the thing MOST people on here have complained about is the utter lack of creativity in the set-list.

I think they could do the whole BN album, with SA and whatever thrown in at this point. Not only would I love for them to do the entire BN album, but also add some of the old folky Danny Kirwan songs (Station Man, Sometimes, etc, Dust.) to the mix. The ***ONLY*** thing hold them back from doing that now is themselves.


I appreciate your point of view. I just want them to do BN songs. Period. And, I forgot they did try to do Frozen Love in FM back '75. It wasn't as good as BN's version though. There was a different dynamic in FM than the sound they had in BN. The only way I can explain it is to my ears the post BN FM overall had more of a pop sound, whereas BN was more country/southern rock. It was more raw, had more of an edge, was guitar-oriented. Loved them doing Station Man and Why with Christine though - that was a great fit.

It's all good. We all have our preferences.

[SteveMacD]

and Sharon and Lori and Jana...

Who are Stevie's employees, NOT members of Fleetwood Mac. They'd likely also be part of a BN tour. Same goes for Neale and Brett. At that point, what's the difference?

For the record, the only "additional" musician the band had on the "Time" tour was Steve Thoma, who was playing Christine's parts on tour, as she wasn't touring back then. In other words, none of the extras are the call of Mick and John.

[CADreaming]

Who are Stevie's employees, NOT members of Fleetwood Mac. They'd likely also be part of a BN tour. Same goes for Neale and Brett. At that point, what's the difference?

For the record, the only "additional" musician the band had on the "Time" tour was Steve Thoma, who was playing Christine's parts on tour, as she wasn't touring back then. In other words, none of the extras are the call of Mick and John.

Honey, I don't have anything against Mick and John. Wanting a Buckingham Nicks reunion has nothing to do with them. It's about material and how it is presented.

If there wasn't a difference then Stevie and Lindsey wouldn't be qualifying it as such.

[David]

Honey, I don't have anything against Mick and John. Wanting a Buckingham Nicks reunion has nothing to do with them. It's about material and how it is presented. But how does anyone know how songs would be presented on a brand-new Buckingham Nicks tour? How does anyone even know which songs would be performed? It's just as likely that the set would be filled with Fleetwood Mac songs as not.

I agree with Dougie—Fleetwood Mac right now is Buckingham Nicks (the duo). Nicks & Buckingham are the sole songwriters and the stars of the show. They're free to write what they want and structure the set how they want. The only artistic obstacles either of them runs into come from the other. How would a revived Buckingham Nicks act change any of that? They aren't going to write differently for one project vs. another, they aren't going to sing differently, and they aren't going to twirl any differently.

And what is Buckingham Nicks (the duo) anyway? Its characteristics all come from a time that's loooong gone. Do you think a new Buckingham Nicks album is going to sound like the 1973 album? How on earth would they manage that (supposing they set out to do so)? They don't write like 1973, they don't sing like 1973, they don't harmonize like 1973, and they don't look like 1973.

Are you guys imagining an album full of tracks like Soldier's Angel? I suppose it's possible—but what makes Soldier's Angel any more Buckingham Nicks than Destiny Rules or Say Goodbye or other Fleetwood Mac songs? Just the fact that it's a twangy, countryish dirge in a minor key with an acoustic guitar ringing like a funeral bell?

When we're talking about overall style or mood, just what is Buckingham Nicks? I think it's a largely unanswerable question, especially 40 years later. In fact, the best answer is probably: "It's anything Lindsey and Stevie want it to be today."

[michelej1]

I agree with Dougie—Fleetwood Mac right now is Buckingham Nicks (the duo). Nicks & Buckingham are the sole songwriters and the stars of the show. They're free to write what they want and structure the set how they want. The only artistic obstacles either of them runs into come from the other. How would a revived Buckingham Nicks act change any of that? They aren't going to write differently for one project vs. another, they aren't going to sing differently, and they aren't going to twirl any differently.



True, after Come got on, it became obvious to me that Lindsey would put any of his solo songs on a Fleetwood Mac album. He only had to be in the mood. I mean, for FM they do (and I'm sure this is all 4 of them) try to acknowledge the need for a Christine presence, which is why we had SYW (the song) and SYHA on the last album. But other than that, they just seem to be doing what they feel like, without feeling the need to stay within a particular genre or to access a specific audience, old or new. Everyone Finds Out sounds nothing like Fleetwood Mac. It's just what Stevie and Lindsey felt like doing at the time.

The only distinction would be whether or not a song was more suited for a solo singer, than a duet. Do the two voices add to the song's impact or detract from it? The added vocal detracted on Peacekeeper, but that didn't keep them from putting it on the album. But vocal arrangements for singing are the only differentiating criteria I see in separating the songs. The types of songs can't be categorized into a BN, solo or FM experience any longer.

Michele

[MacShadowsBall]

I'm partly confused by this debate between BN and FM. :confused:

Since Christine left, Fleetwood Mac is Lindsey/Stevie with John/Mick as the rhythm section. The only difference in a new Buckingham/Nicks album/tour vs a Fleetwood Mac album/tour is no involvement from Mick and John. Obviously a new BN album/tour would still need a drummer and bass player. Does anyone here know of anybody better than Mick Fleetwood and John McVie? :shrug:

It would be almost rude of Stevie and Lindsey to exclude Mick/John from a potential future album/tour.

[elle]

I'm partly confused by this debate between BN and FM. :confused:

Since Christine left, Fleetwood Mac is Lindsey/Stevie with John/Mick as the rhythm section. The only difference in a new Buckingham/Nicks album/tour vs a Fleetwood Mac album/tour is no involvement from Mick and John. Obviously a new BN album/tour would still need a drummer and bass player. Does anyone here know of anybody better than Mick Fleetwood and John McVie? :shrug:

It would be almost rude of Stevie and Lindsey to exclude Mick/John from a potential future album/tour.

to be cynical, i think the difference might be the involvement of lawyers + managers + potential label for 3 people (+ whatever FM brand is) instead of 2?

although i would think tension between SN's and LB's people would be larger than between theirs and Mick's.:shrug:

[SteveMacD]

to be cynical, i think the difference might be the involvement of lawyers + managers + potential label for 3 people (+ whatever FM brand is) instead of 2?

although i would think tension between SN's and LB's people would be larger than between theirs and Mick's.:shrug:
I suspect that's not all that cynical. However, I thought Mick, John, and Lindsey were all with Frontline. I could be wrong.

[CADreaming]

I'm partly confused by this debate between BN and FM. :confused:

Since Christine left, Fleetwood Mac is Lindsey/Stevie with John/Mick as the rhythm section. The only difference in a new Buckingham/Nicks album/tour vs a Fleetwood Mac album/tour is no involvement from Mick and John. Obviously a new BN album/tour would still need a drummer and bass player. Does anyone here know of anybody better than Mick Fleetwood and John McVie? :shrug:

It would be almost rude of Stevie and Lindsey to exclude Mick/John from a potential future album/tour.

I agree. It doesn't make any difference to me who plays drum and bass. Others have insinuated that a BN tour would exclude Mick and John. I have no idea how they would choose to present it, but personally I'm open to whatever as long as it means the Buckingham Nicks material has ample representation. I also think that the Buckingham Nicks sound (think BN album and "Soldier's Angel") might inject a much needed adrenaline shot in the arm of a stale FM set list. Which is why I think a new album or a few new cuts in conjunction with a tour that has been discussed by Stevie (loosely) and Lindsey as a "reunion" of Buckingham Nicks would be billed as such - Buckingham Nicks. I have no idea if that's what will happen. But, I think it would be really neat if they did follow through and if they bring Mick and John along then so be it. My fear is that not much would change and if they label it a Buckingham Nicks tour then I would hope it would be that -- meaning a significant change in the material or the way they presented it. Another example is the SYW version of "Silver Springs" -- that sounds Buckingham Nicks to me.

However, I thought Mick, John, and Lindsey were all with Frontline. I could be wrong.

Fleetwood Mac is manged by Front Line. Irving Azoff manages Lindsey. Howard Kaufman manages Stevie. Azoff and Kaufman reformed Front Line in 2004. It's basically all the same.

[CADreaming]

But how does anyone know how songs would be presented on a brand-new Buckingham Nicks tour? How does anyone even know which songs would be performed? It's just as likely that the set would be filled with Fleetwood Mac songs as not.

I agree with Dougie—Fleetwood Mac right now is Buckingham Nicks (the duo). Nicks & Buckingham are the sole songwriters and the stars of the show. They're free to write what they want and structure the set how they want. The only artistic obstacles either of them runs into come from the other. How would a revived Buckingham Nicks act change any of that? They aren't going to write differently for one project vs. another, they aren't going to sing differently, and they aren't going to twirl any differently.

Soldier's Angel sounded like Buckingham Nicks. I can't explain that from a technical musical standpoint like you can. Maybe it was the same kind of guitar Lindsey played in BN? The Les Paul? Idk.

And what is Buckingham Nicks (the duo) anyway? Its characteristics all come from a time that's loooong gone. Do you think a new Buckingham Nicks album is going to sound like the 1973 album? How on earth would they manage that (supposing they set out to do so)? They don't write like 1973, they don't sing like 1973, they don't harmonize like 1973, and they don't look like 1973.

Are you guys imagining an album full of tracks like Soldier's Angel? I suppose it's possible—but what makes Soldier's Angel any more Buckingham Nicks than Destiny Rules or Say Goodbye or other Fleetwood Mac songs? Just the fact that it's a twangy, countryish dirge in a minor key with an acoustic guitar ringing like a funeral bell?

Not all the songs, of course. That would be boring. But, that was my initial impression when I first heard SA. This is Buckingham Nicks.

When we're talking about overall style or mood, just what is Buckingham Nicks? I think it's a largely unanswerable question, especially 40 years later. In fact, the best answer is probably: "It's anything Lindsey and Stevie want it to be today."

I can agree with that. But, I would like to know how Lindsey would interpret that today. Maybe BN is more stripped down (no pun intended). For example, LB has been notorious for using layers and layers of vocals and music tracks in FM. Maybe the BN sound is less about the background and more about the foreground. Maybe it's about each of their vocals being turned up in the mix to be more of a duet sound instead of having him wailing off in the background with some "ahh haha ahh" like in "Illume" or having Stevie on the left channel chanting "but she loves to be seen" on "Miranda".

So, if Lindsey BUCKINGHAM and Stevie NICKS are saying "we are more like BUCKINGHAM NICKS" today and are inferring they may tour as such, then I'm all for it and want to know what they mean and how they define BUCKINGHAM NICKS outside of FLEETWOOD MAC.

If it exists as they are insinuating, prove it. I'm listening...

[WildHearted]

Clearly theres a difference to Buckingham and Nicks, so there's a difference to me as well. Aside from a difference in sound ( but who knows what their sous would be like today) I think there's a difference in how the material is approached. They may not have ever written together per say, but I think they definitely worked the songs out more together in the early days - or at least, Lindsey did most of the working out, period. In fleetwood Mac Stevie comes in with songs practically finished and same for Lindsey mostly without the others I. Mind, at least, that was the case for Say YOu Will.

[vivfox]

a "reunion" of Buckingham Nicks would be billed as such - Buckingham Nicks. I have no idea if that's what will happen. But, I think it would be really neat if they did follow through and if they bring Mick and John along then so be it.


If this were the case they'd have to be billed as Fleetwood Mac.

[CADreaming]

If this were the case they'd have to be billed as Fleetwood Mac.

Yeah, I guess you're right... That's why I thought a couple of years ago they could very well add a BN section into the FM set and bill it as "Fleetwood Mac featuring Buckingham Nicks". If they were promoting a BN re-release or whatever.

[SteveMacD]

I think there's a difference in how the material is approached. They may not have ever written together per say, but I think they definitely worked the songs out more together in the early days - or at least, Lindsey did most of the working out, period. In fleetwood Mac Stevie comes in with songs practically finished and same for Lindsey mostly without the others I. Mind, at least, that was the case for Say YOu Will.

And I think THAT'S what Lindsey is talking about when he tallks about coming full circle. It's how he wants to approach the music, NOT how it's released.

But, it still won't sound like the old BN. Stevie WILL have that vocal run that has been on almost every album since Mirror (you know, the "and you remember it" vocal run from Whole Lotta Trouble), while Lindsey will try to sound even more like Segovia.

As a huge fan of the post-Green Danny Kirwan material, this has been a huge gripe. Fleetwood Mac had an innocent approach to the music back then. That simplicity changed for both parties in 1975. They spent more time on that first album with LB and SN than they had on all of the albums from Kiln House through HAHTF combined, and probably BN too.

The ridiculous part of the BN vs FM thing, to me, is that Mick wouldn't have been interested if they didn't kind of already sound like Fleetwood Mac.

[michelej1]

The ridiculous part of the BN vs FM thing, to me, is that Mick wouldn't have been interested if they didn't kind of already sound like Fleetwood Mac.

I don't think that's why Mick was interested. I think he liked the guitar-playing he heard. I don't think he was sitting there saying, well Rhiannon sounds like it could come from the same band that did Black Magic Woman.

He may have said that later, but I don't think he was saying that on New Year's Eve 1974 and John wasn't thinking about how much he wanted to play on Crystal then either. Mick didn't run home and listen to BN back to front, to compare sounds. Although he might have looked at Stevie from front to back.

Michele

[SteveMacD]

I don't think that's why Mick was interested. I think he liked the guitar-playing he heard.
He said it reminded him of Danny Kirwan, although Stevie said Peter Green. Either way, it sounded like a good fit for Fleetwood Mac. Think of all the good guitarists they knew back then. Even Waddy would have been perhaps a more obvious choice for a post-Welch guitarist: a blues rocking, Les Paul playing guitarist who had a similar presence to Bob Welch. All great, but a relative unknown from California had that X factor, that sound.

[portiab44]

i know this is off track but do you guys know how to tell the difference from a first pressing of buckingham nicks lp versus one that was released later? :confused::confused: thanks for any help in advance

[SteveMacD]

i know this is off track but do you guys know how to tell the difference from a first pressing of buckingham nicks lp versus one that was released later? :confused::confused: thanks for any help in advance
Firsts were gatefolds.

[iamnotafraid]

i know this is off track but do you guys know how to tell the difference from a first pressing of buckingham nicks lp versus one that was released later?

SteveMac is correct, the first were gate-folds.
I didn't know this when I finally tracked down
my first Buckingham Nicks album. A friend found
it for me and I happily paid too much for it. The
condition it was in was just horrible. But it was
a treasure to me. Later on I found the original
gate-fold version in mint condition.

Now my question is...
Since the album didn't sell well at all, did the
second pressing (non gate-fold) come out after
the success of the FM White Album or even
Rumours?

Even so, many still wound up in the cut-out bins.

[WildHearted]

SteveMac is correct, the first were gate-folds.
I didn't know this when I finally tracked down
my first Buckingham Nicks album. A friend found
it for me and I happily paid too much for it. The
condition it was in was just horrible. But it was
a treasure to me. Later on I found the original
gate-fold version in mint condition.

Now my question is...
Since the album didn't sell well at all, did the
second pressing (non gate-fold) come out after
the success of the FM White Album or even
Rumours?

Even so, many still wound up in the cut-out bins.

Yes, I believe they re-issued BN after the success of Lindsey and Stevie in Fleetwood Mac. But I'm not sure exactly when that happened - as to whether it was after Fleetwood Mac or after Rumours.

[Maccafan5000]

Buckingham Nicks in 2013??

STEVIE NICKS HOPEFUL FOR 'BUCKINGHAM NICKS' REISSUE
http://oldies1017.com/The_Music_World.php

[CADreaming]

Hope springs eternal:


Stevie Nicks feels positive that 1973's Buckingham Nicks, the sole joint album with then-lover Lindsey Buckingham will see a release next year. The pair's pre-Fleetwood Mac album, which has never been released on CD, celebrates it's 40th anniversary next September. Over the years, Buckingham Nicks has gained a legion of die-hard fans, who have sought out pristine vinyl pressings of the Polydor release for major money. A 30th anniversary release was tentatively scheduled back in 2003, but never materialized.
It was the album's closing number, "Frozen Love" that gained Mick Fleetwood's attention while scouting Los Angeles' Sound City recording studio. The album's producer, Keith Olsen, played the track as a demonstration of the studio's capabilities and hooked Fleetwood who soon asked Buckingham -- and by extension -- Nicks to join Fleetwood Mac. Two of the Buckingham Nicks tracks would be included on future albums -- Nicks' "Crystal" found a home on Fleetwood Mac's 1975 self-titled collection and a live version of "Don't Let Me Down Again" was featured on 1980's Fleetwood Mac Live.
Stevie Nicks told us that plans are definitely underway to prep their first Buckingham Nicks release on CD: "This is, the coming up year is the 40 years. So, what we're thinking is we might do something to celebrate the 40 years thing and we're going to try and put the record out. The only reason why it hasn't come out is because it kinda belongs to three different people and it's like owning a car, a third of a car. And everybody has to be on the same page and nobody has ever been on the same page. So we're hoping this year people will get on the same page and we can put it out since this is it's 40th."
We asked her if there's any chance for a few Buckingham Nicks shows to promote the new set: "Very possibly! Very possibly! 'Cause we. . . that's easy. Yeah."
AUDIO: STEVIE NICKS ON 'BUCKINGHAM NICKS' REISSUE
AUDIO: STEVIE NICKS ON BUCKINGHAM NICKS REUNION

http://oldies1017.com/The_Music_World.php

[WildHearted]

I could cry.

[michelej1]

Cause we . . . that's easy. Yeah.

Hmmm.

Keith, DLMDA. Get on the page.

Michele

[BombaySapphire3]

Could someone post that Charlie Brown cartoon where Lucy is holding the football.:shrug:

[michelej1]

Could someone post that Charlie Brown cartoon where Lucy is holding the football.:shrug:

I don't know the cartoon, but it's funny you said that because I was just writing a list of things that Ann Curry should have said today, rather than that she couldn't carry the ball to the finish line. She should have said the ball was stolen, her shot was blocked, intercepted . . .

Cause you what, Stevie? Hang out together all the time, sitting on the bed and nothing could be easier than doing a few BN performances?

Michele

[CADreaming]

"Cause we..." are not the problem...

[michelej1]

"Cause we..." are not the problem...

But I thought they bought the rights from him and that she once said that she and Lindsey wholly owned them now. In fact, I remember her talking about that same car owned by TWO people. So, this comment sounds like a step back in time to me.

Michele

[bombaysaffires]

I'd always thought the third person was Keith Olsen.... does someone know anything different?

[Tango]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Rz3S_fMoMrU/TmOEQu2bBLI/AAAAAAAAC08/K0zUQx_pf68/s1600/trust.jpg

I hope this shows up for you. Great analogy! (football = BN cd)

[michelej1]

I'd always thought the third person was Keith Olsen.... does someone know anything different?

No, it is Keith or KORE. That's why I said DLMDA to Keith.

But I also thought that Stevie and Lindsey bought his rights more than 10 years ago.

Michele

[bombaysaffires]

No, it is Keith or KORE. That's why I said DLMDA to Keith.

Michele

oops, missed that post...

[BombaySapphire3]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Rz3S_fMoMrU/TmOEQu2bBLI/AAAAAAAAC08/K0zUQx_pf68/s1600/trust.jpg

I hope this shows up for you. Great analogy! (football = BN cd)

I'm terrible with computers (must be my age) thanks you!

[WildHearted]

Cause you what, Stevie? Hang out together all the time, sitting on the bed and nothing could be easier than doing a few BN performances?

Michele

I really wish she would have finished that thought. The possibilities are endless - it will bother me for ages.

Cause you....

[elle]

I really wish she would have finished that thought. The possibilities are endless - it will bother me for ages.

Cause you....

i don't think it matters. the way i read it is: the answer is yes, it's a definite possibility that they'll do a few shows.

we already know LB wants it, and now she said it too - that it's very possible.

frankly, i'm surprised, i though they might put BN CD out right before the FM tour, but do just the Mac tour to support it.

[WildHearted]

i don't think it matters. the way i read it is: the answer is yes, it's a definite possibility that they'll do a few shows.

we already know LB wants it, and now she said it too - that it's very possible.

frankly, i'm surprised, i though they might put BN CD out right before the FM tour, but do just the Mac tour to support it.

Oh, I know it doesn't really matter why - all that matters is that it would, in fact, be easy for them to do that.

Because of the Mac tour [which in light of this interview, is even more upsetting to me, because it seems BN was in fact more than just a pipe dream], I'm going to bet that if the fates align and any of this actually happens, they'll probably just do a show or two, probably in CA. A special event type thing in honor of the re-release. This could possibly be filmed and then released as a CD and DVD package, if we're lucky.

Hopefully I'm wrong and they could possibly squeeze in a handful of shows scattered about..... speaking of which, just in case the powers at be are reading this: Birmingham. Throwing that out there. They loved you. And it's only 4 hours from me so I could go and then my life would be complete.

[michelej1]

i don't think it matters. the way i read it is: the answer is yes, it's a definite possibility that they'll do a few shows.



Well, whether they put out a BN record or not, the rest of her sentence does matter to me. I live within the ellipses . . .

Michele

[UndoingTheLaces]

Has anyone posted this yet?

http://www.b1027.com/music/rock-report/36671-stevie-nicks-hopeful-for-buckingham-nicks-reissue.html

Stevie Nicks: Hopeful For 'Buckingham Nicks' Reissue

Stevie Nicks feels positive that 1973's Buckingham Nicks, the sole joint album with then-lover Lindsey Buckingham will see a release next year. The pair's pre-Fleetwood Mac album, which has never been released on CD, celebrates it's 40th anniversary next September. Over the years, Buckingham Nicks has gained a legion of die-hard fans, who have sought out pristine vinyl pressings of the Polydor release for major money. A 30th anniversary release was tentatively scheduled back in 2003, but never materialized.

It was the album's closing number, "Frozen Love" that gained Mick Fleetwood's attention while scouting Los Angeles' Sound City recording studio. The album's producer, Keith Olsen, played the track as a demonstration of the studio's capabilities and hooked Fleetwood who soon asked Buckingham -- and by extension -- Nicks to join Fleetwood Mac. Two of the Buckingham Nicks tracks would be included on future albums -- Nicks' "Crystal" found a home on Fleetwood Mac's 1975 self-titled collection and a live version of "Don't Let Me Down Again" was featured on 1980's Fleetwood Mac Live.

Stevie Nicks told us that plans are definitely underway to prep their first Buckingham Nicks release on CD: "This is, the coming up year is the 40 years. So, what we're thinking is we might do something to celebrate the 40 years thing and we're going to try and put the record out. The only reason why it hasn't come out is because it kinda belongs to three different people and it's like owning a car, a third of a car. And everybody has to be on the same page and nobody has ever been on the same page. So we're hoping this year people will get on the same page and we can put it out since this is it's 40th."

We asked her if there's any chance for a few Buckingham Nicks shows to promote the new set: "Very possibly! Very possibly! 'Cause we. . . that's easy. Yeah."

[WildHearted]

^Yep, it's been posted.

Fingers crossed it actually happens.

[louielouie2000]

The only reason why it hasn't come out is because it kinda belongs to three different people and it's like owning a car, a third of a car. And everybody has to be on the same page and nobody has ever been on the same page. So we're hoping this year people will get on the same page and we can put it out since this is it's 40th."

This is the part that's most intriguing to me. I have to guess that Keith Olsen is the third owner? We know he certainly has sour grapes about being shoved out of Stevie and Lindsey's careers... he lost out on countless millions. If he's been the hold out, he's going to get the short end of the stick yet again: interest in Stevie, Lindsey, and Fleetwood Mac has been squandered since the late 90s due to inactivity of the band. He possibly could have made a little bit of money had he coincided rerelease of Buckingham Nicks with Say You Will. But unfortunately the rerelease of Buckingham Nicks at this point will be like the proverbial tree falling in the forest.

[WildHearted]

^I think there's the potential that the re-release could do somewhat well. Of course, all of the hardcore fans will be elated regardless. But I know that I've been posting articles about it on pop culture sites and the two of them generate a pretty good response from people. So with the right marketing [hahahaha], and coincided with a new Fleetwood Mac tour or a Buckingham Nicks one-off "reunion" or whatever else they decide to do.. I think it could make at least a blip on the radar.

[bombaysaffires]

But Keith showed up in Stevie's BTM so it seems like if there were sour grapes at one point they were smoothed over some time ago

[CADreaming]

But Keith showed up in Stevie's BTM so it seems like if there were sour grapes at one point they were smoothed over some time ago

Who says there's sour grapes? If you drink no wine before it's time, the vineyard owner is more likely to reap a better harvest...

Btw, did anyone get the audio from the interview? It's gone now and I'd like to hear the interview.

Thanks!

[Villavic]

I love the idea of Stevie and Linds working together again, but ,sorry to burst anyone's bubble, even if they start a project out as BuckinghamNicks, it will inevitably be turned into Fleetwood Mac. You know for a fact that Mick would show up at their doorstep with some puppy dog look on his face begging to be a part of it.

That's right.
And what's the point about recording a Buckingham Nicks album instead of a FM one? or doing a tour? Without Christine is practically the same . Since Lindsey is a good producer, it would be the same sound arrangements in a BN or FM album, cause he will be involved in it anyway. The song list would be the same.. So what? I don't think we will find a big difference with another drummer and bass player.

If the point is about "seeing Mick cut out of the $ on a tour " as I read in another post, I still wonder about all that hate to Mick. Yes he loves money, so what? Thanks to him and his money need we got Tango in the Night and (supposedly) the Live album. Thanks to him we got Lindsey and Stevie in the band. I guess those are enough reasons to be thankful to Mick Fleetwood.

[CADreaming]

But I thought they bought the rights from him and that she once said that she and Lindsey wholly owned them now. In fact, I remember her talking about that same car owned by TWO people. So, this comment sounds like a step back in time to me.

Michele

I don't think Keith ever owned it. But, he may be strong arming for a bigger piece of pie if he can?

From his Q&A:
"Lindsey and Stevie now own the rights to Buckingham Nicks... they bought it back from Polydor/polygram etc etc... The label in the beginning thought that the album lacked imagination... but by contract they had to release it... nice eh? What a wonderful business this is... I hope they (Lindsey and Stevie) will re release it soon... I'll get on their collective case about it...! I guess I have the only CD in the world.. I pulled out the masters over a year ago, baked them to re-adhere the oxide to the backing, then built a master digital from it... it took me back so many years."

According to Ken Caillat, he had been looking for the 24 track masters to mix BN into DVD Audio. He also said WB owned the rights to BN as well. That could be part of the hold up.

[Villavic]

And what's the point about recording a Buckingham Nicks album instead of a FM one? or doing a tour? Without Christine is practically the same . Since Lindsey is a good producer, it would be the same sound arrangements in a BN or FM album, cause he will be involved in it anyway. The song list would be the same..

On a second thought if the song list is based only or mainly on solo songs, that could be enough interesting. But I'm not excited about BN anyway.

[cliffdweller]

It matters to me because I'd like to see a full show with just Stevie & Lindsey & no back-up musicians. All acoustic guitar. That's a far cry from the overcrowded stage of recent Mac tours.

- Jake

:nod: Yes, and thank you. I totally agree.

[cliffdweller]

I agree, but, that could just as easily be done in the context of Fleetwood Mac. Just listen to Kiln House, Future Games, and Bare Trees for proof. Mick and John are just players working with what they're given.

I think what you're missing here is the fact that some fans want to hear/see a B/N reunion that is NOT FM. There's a difference and it's okay. They were a band before they joined Mick Fleetwood and Co. It doesn't mean that we don't appreciate/love FM, it's just that we also love B/N. I know I was a fan of this duo before I became a FM fan. Weird but true.

The fact that you see B/N as a proto-FM that sounded like FM so that's why Mick was interested is ludicrous. They were a country-rock/folk duo and FM was a British blues band with pop leanings. They were not remotely the same. They melded their sounds together when they joined each other and made it work, therefore, making it appear to be a seamless pairing of musicians. I mean, let's face it, they were kind of a hodge-podge of sounds that miraculously made cohesive music. Let's not re-write history to make if it our arguments.

[SteveMacD]

I think what you're missing here is the fact that some fans want to hear/see a B/N reunion that is NOT FM.
YOU'RE absolutely right. I **DON'T** get why people would want to see Stevie and Lindsey with an inferior rhythm section. I mean, why drive around with a Yugo when you have a Cadillac?

There's a difference and it's okay.
There WAS a difference. Not anymore.

They were a band before they joined Mick Fleetwood and Co. It doesn't mean that we don't appreciate/love FM, it's just that we also love B/N. I know I was a fan of this duo before I became a FM fan. Weird but true.
That's great and all, BUT LINDSEY AND STEVIE ARE THE SOLE FRONT-LINE OF FLEETWOOD MAC. Fleetwood Mac IS Buckingham Nicks, only with an amazing rhythm section. If having a sub-par rhythm section is what you need to tell yourself there's a difference, then I really don't get it. The whole "Buckingham Nicks" thing hasn't existed for nearly 40 years.

The fact that you see B/N as a proto-FM that sounded like FM so that's why Mick was interested is ludicrous.
Hmmmm...When Mick says that Lindsey's playing reminded him of Danny Kirwan, I guess I have to sweep that under the rug. F*ckin' Mick for putting thoughts in my head about things he was thinking about. The nerve of that bald bastard.

They were a country-rock/folk duo and FM was a British blues band with pop leanings.
BULLS**T. Station Man, Spare Me A Little Of Your Love, Sentimental Lady, Sometimes, Dust, Bare Trees, and Sunny Side Of Heaven beg to differ. Didn't RS call the 1975 album the little brother to "Bare Trees"?

I know it chaps their asses, but Fleetwood Mac had already charted certain waters when Ian and Sylvia joined the band. Stevie and Lindsey weren't so much original (they weren't), they just did some things better.

They were not remotely the same.
Yeah they were, if you were looking in the right places.

They melded their sounds together when they joined each other and made it work, therefore, making it appear to be a seamless pairing of musicians.
Yeah, because Mick and John (and Christine later) played with Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer, a very folky Danny Kirway, the mystic Bob Welch, and dealt with a bunch of stupid industry crap before they met Ian and Sylvia. Yeah, Fleetwood Mac wasn't ready for Stevie and Lindsey...:rolleyes:

Please....

By the time Ian & Sylvia joined Fleetwood Mac, the band had pretty much seen or lived through it all. Linds and Nick couldn't have wished for a better situation. In one day, they upgraded their role in rock.

I mean, let's face it, they were kind of a hodge-podge of sounds that miraculously made cohesive music. Let's not re-write history to make if it our arguments.
REGARDLESS OF HISTORY....

Lindsey and Stevie simply can't find a rhythm section that will give their music the same justice Mick and John would. So, really, as of today, the only REAL difference between BN and FM is quality of rhythm section. Nothing else. Lindsey will be Lindsey, Stevie will be Stevie, the approach won't be so radically different as it has been over the past years.

You're Jonesing over a record that wasn't great (it was very good, though), that would not sound the same if the two principle members recorded a new record today.

[HomerMcvie]

Ian and Sylvia.

It's not often that I feel ignorant, on matters Fleetwood Mac, but WHO THE HELL are Ian and Sylvia???:lol:

[SteveMacD]

It's not often that I feel ignorant, on matters Fleetwood Mac, but WHO THE HELL are Ian and Sylvia???:lol:
HAPPY BELATED CANADA DAY!
Voted greatest pop song in Canadian history. Neil Young sometimes covers it.

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[HomerMcvie]

^^^ Gotcha. Never heard of it before!:o

[WildHearted]

I've said it before and I"ll say it again: obviously to Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham, there's a distinction between Fleetwood Mac and Buckingham Nicks - and that distinction still exists today. If they say there's a difference, then there's a difference to me as well.

The most obvious difference is that BN would play BN songs, not Fleetwood Mac songs. BN would probably play smaller venues than FM. And I'd venture to say that for Stevie and Lindsey, going on stage and being able to play a set without Mick and John, without having it labeled Fleetwood Mac and all that name carries, would probably be pretty sentimental for them.

This argument is like saying that Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks solo shows and albums are just Fleetwood Mac with worse backing musicians. No. They're not the same.

[sushud82]

You see, where Lindsey is the small machine and Fleetwood Mac is the big machine, Buckingham Nicks would be a nice medium-sized machine.

"Just right." ;)

[CADreaming]

I've said it before and I"ll say it again: obviously to Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham, there's a distinction between Fleetwood Mac and Buckingham Nicks - and that distinction still exists today. If they say there's a difference, then there's a difference to me as well.

The most obvious difference is that BN would play BN songs, not Fleetwood Mac songs. BN would probably play smaller venues than FM. And I'd venture to say that for Stevie and Lindsey, going on stage and being able to play a set without Mick and John, without having it labeled Fleetwood Mac and all that name carries, would probably be pretty sentimental for them.

This argument is like saying that Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks solo shows and albums are just Fleetwood Mac with worse backing musicians. No. They're not the same.

Exactly. Thank you.


You see, where Lindsey is the small machine and Fleetwood Mac is the big machine, Buckingham Nicks would be a nice medium-sized machine.

"Just right." ;)

Yep! :nod:

[AliceLover]

YOU'RE absolutely right. I **DON'T** get why people would want to see Stevie and Lindsey with an inferior rhythm section. I mean, why drive around with a Yugo when you have a Cadillac?


There WAS a difference. Not anymore.


That's great and all, BUT LINDSEY AND STEVIE ARE THE SOLE FRONT-LINE OF FLEETWOOD MAC. Fleetwood Mac IS Buckingham Nicks, only with an amazing rhythm section. If having a sub-par rhythm section is what you need to tell yourself there's a difference, then I really don't get it. The whole "Buckingham Nicks" thing hasn't existed for nearly 40 years.


Hmmmm...When Mick says that Lindsey's playing reminded him of Danny Kirwan, I guess I have to sweep that under the rug. F*ckin' Mick for putting thoughts in my head about things he was thinking about. The nerve of that bald bastard.


BULLS**T. Station Man, Spare Me A Little Of Your Love, Sentimental Lady, Sometimes, Dust, Bare Trees, and Sunny Side Of Heaven beg to differ. Didn't RS call the 1975 album the little brother to "Bare Trees"?

I know it chaps their asses, but Fleetwood Mac had already charted certain waters when Ian and Sylvia joined the band. Stevie and Lindsey weren't so much original (they weren't), they just did some things better.


Yeah they were, if you were looking in the right places.


Yeah, because Mick and John (and Christine later) played with Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer, a very folky Danny Kirway, the mystic Bob Welch, and dealt with a bunch of stupid industry crap before they met Ian and Sylvia. Yeah, Fleetwood Mac wasn't ready for Stevie and Lindsey...:rolleyes:

Please....

By the time Ian & Sylvia joined Fleetwood Mac, the band had pretty much seen or lived through it all. Linds and Nick couldn't have wished for a better situation. In one day, they upgraded their role in rock.


REGARDLESS OF HISTORY....

Lindsey and Stevie simply can't find a rhythm section that will give their music the same justice Mick and John would. So, really, as of today, the only REAL difference between BN and FM is quality of rhythm section. Nothing else. Lindsey will be Lindsey, Stevie will be Stevie, the approach won't be so radically different as it has been over the past years.

You're Jonesing over a record that wasn't great (it was very good, though), that would not sound the same if the two principle members recorded a new record today.

If this were 1980 I would agree with you. But have you heard Mick and John's playing from a few years ago. It sounds like they are struggling, moreso Mick than John. Lindsey and Stevie's solo backing bands have been sounding better to me lately than the Mac guys.

[TrueFaith77]

Say You Will, Mick and John on UTS and GOS, Mick on In Your Dreams, Mick's improvisations on "I Know I'm Not Wrong" from the Unleashed tour speak for themselves: nobody provides better rhythm to Lindsey and Stevie.

[CADreaming]

If this were 1980 I would agree with you. But have you heard Mick and John's playing from a few years ago. It sounds like they are struggling, moreso Mick than John. Lindsey and Stevie's solo backing bands have been sounding better to me lately than the Mac guys.

Agree. Mick even has a ghost drummer...

But, I don't understand why a Buckingham Nicks reunion conversation automatically insinuates no Mick & John. It doesn't - but, a true BN reunion could be done with any drummer and bass player because it's about material and presentation, mainly meaning more Buckingham Nicks tunes, less (or no) Fleetwood Mac tunes unless original BN songs (ie: Crystal, Rhiannon).

Personally, it doesn't matter to me if they use Mick & John. But, I think it would be really cool if they used Waddy. And Neale, Brett and any of the other solo band members could easily round it out. I doubt seriously they would even think of using Tom Moncrieff & Hoppy Hodges. Hoppy has been pretty ill anyway.

[MacShadowsBall]

First of all, I agree with SteveMacD.

Secondly, who would be in the "new" BN band? drummer, bass player, etc.

Thirdly, what would the set list be? BN as an "band" only had what 13 songs?

[CADreaming]

^See my post above for band member ideas.

Stevie's current solo set has 16 songs.

Lindsey has been doing roughly 13, give or take one or two.

Ideally, they would do all the BN album plus "Sorcerer", "Without You", "Nomad", "Rhiannon", "Heartbreaker", "Forget About Me". The last BN set had 13 songs, including "Monday Morning", "I Don't Wanna Know" and "Blue Letter". I would add " Twisted", "Soldier's Angel", and "That's Alright" (BN originally) - a 22 song set. Fleetwood Mac's last tour had 23 songs when " Silver Springs" wasn't dropped.

That being said, I highly doubt a BN set would be longer than 15 songs.

[WildHearted]

^See my post above for band member ideas.

Stevie's current solo set has 16 songs.

Lindsey's has been doing roughly 13, give or take one or two.

Ideally, they would do all the BN album plus "Sorcerer", "Without You", "Nomad", "Rhiannon", "Heartbreaker", "Forget About Me". The last BN set had 13 songs, including "Monday Morning", "I Don't Wanna Know" and "Blue Letter". I would add " Twisted", "Soldier's Angel", and "That's Alright" (BN originally) - a 22 song set. Fleetwood Mac's last tour had 23 songs when " Silver Springs" wasn't dropped.

That being said, I highly doubt a BN set would be longer than 15 songs.

I found this in an old post I had written sometime last year as a possible BN set:

Frozen Love
Gypsy (acoustic)
Landslide
Rhiannon
CRYSTAL! (duet, or with Lindsey on lead)
Stephanie
Long Distance Winner
Crying in The Night
Lola My Love
Sorcerer
I Don't Wanna Know
Blue Letter
Monday Morning
Races Are Run
Twisted
Without a Leg to Stand On
Without You
California Dreamin'

Looking back on it, I'd add in Candlebright/Nomad, Designs of Love/That's Alright, and Soldier's Angel. And I wouldn't mind hearing Heartbreaker or Forget About Me, either :) And I can't figure out why I left DLMDA off... that would definitely need to be in the set.

[CADreaming]

I found this in an old post I had written sometime last year as a possible BN set:

Frozen Love
Gypsy (acoustic)
Landslide
Rhiannon
CRYSTAL! (duet, or with Lindsey on lead)
Stephanie
Long Distance Winner
Crying in The Night
Lola My Love
Sorcerer
I Don't Wanna Know
Blue Letter
Monday Morning
Races Are Run
Twisted
Without a Leg to Stand On
Without You
California Dreamin'

Looking back on it, I'd add in Candlebright/Nomad, Designs of Love/That's Alright, and Soldier's Angel. And I wouldn't mind hearing Heartbreaker or Forget About Me, either :) And I can't figure out why I left DLMDA off... that would definitely need to be in the set.

LOVE IT.

Also, ending with California Dreamin' is perfection. :)

[michelej1]

Buckingham Nicks would be harder to market than Stevie or, even, Lindsey solo.

I don't think that they have any real intention of touring under that name. Maybe they'll do their solo tours together and come together for some songs. I would not find this arrangement equitable and I would hope it never happens.

If they plan to tour with FM while performing BN songs, that sounds fine with me. If, in lieu of a new studio album, they want to promote BN music as their new material to keep the next FM tour from being another "Greatest Hits" album, I applaud it.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Buckingham Nicks would be harder to market than Stevie or, even, Lindsey solo.

I don't think that they have any real intention of touring under that name. Maybe they'll do their solo tours together and come together for some songs. I would not find this arrangement equitable and I would hope it never happens.

If they plan to tour with FM while performing BN songs, that sounds fine with me. If, in lieu of a new studio album, they want to promote BN music as their new material to keep the next FM tour from being another "Greatest Hits" album, I applaud it.

Michele

Probably. But, they're the ones who keep throwing "BN" out there - you know, into the universe...

[bombaysaffires]

For what it's worth, I don't think they could do some of the old BN stuff justice vocally anymore... case in point, Without You. Gorgeous demo, the harmonies are so tight and so beautiful... they just don't sing that tightly anymore because...well, they rarely sing together that way anymore....those harmonies are a direct result of singing together day after day after day for years and years. And frankly Stevie has lost her range to be able to do those gorgeous high harmonies to Lindsey and her voice is so much more ragged...

While the romantic side of me would LOVE to see a BN performance, I'm not sure that doing all those old songs NOW really does them justice, because they are not the singers they were then (especially Stevie) and hearing the Stevie and Lindsey of now performing them at 60-something when they will be unfairly compared to the recordings of a couple of 20-somethings that we've all listened to so many times is just destined not to live up..... With the FM stuff, we've heard the toll time/age have taken over decades and decades of tours and performances, so it isn't as jarring (please don't insist they sound the same, they just don't).

[sushud82]

No, it wouldn't be perfect, it wouldn't be the same, but it would still be sweet and meaningful, at least I would hope so. And not just to many of their fans, such as myself, but to them as well. Think of all the wonderful speeches Lindsey already has planned in his mind!

Their voices aren't the same, but they've worked that out with many other songs in recent years. Some are good, some are bad, but to me it's not a dealbreaker.

Personally, I don't care who is backing them up, what they sing, or how they sing it. I think it would be wonderful. :)

Susan

[WildHearted]

No, it wouldn't be perfect, it wouldn't be the same, but it would still be sweet and meaningful, at least I would hope so. And not just to many of their fans, such as myself, but to them as well. Think of all the wonderful speeches Lindsey already has planned in his mind!

Their voices aren't the same, but they've worked that out with many other songs in recent years. Some are good, some are bad, but to me it's not a dealbreaker.

Personally, I don't care who is backing them up, what they sing, or how they sing it. I think it would be wonderful. :)

Susan

I agree! :thumbsup:

[CADreaming]

For what it's worth, I don't think they could do some of the old BN stuff justice vocally anymore... case in point, Without You. Gorgeous demo, the harmonies are so tight and so beautiful... they just don't sing that tightly anymore because...well, they rarely sing together that way anymore....those harmonies are a direct result of singing together day after day after day for years and years. And frankly Stevie has lost her range to be able to do those gorgeous high harmonies to Lindsey and her voice is so much more ragged...

While the romantic side of me would LOVE to see a BN performance, I'm not sure that doing all those old songs NOW really does them justice, because they are not the singers they were then (especially Stevie)

I know it wouldn't be the same. But, what about "Say Goodbye"? That was pretty tight harmony. "Soldier's Angel". They can still do tight harmony and it doesn't have to be in the same range. Keys can be changed. But, the poignancy of it would still be the same.

[MacShadowsBall]

On an album with studio EQing and such, tight harmonies are possible. Live, however, is harder to do.

We seem to have two different things - a new BN album or just a BN tour?

[CADreaming]

^I thought "Say Goodbye" live was sublime, especially Lindsey's soundstage version where he is able to control the audio effects in much the same way he is currently doing on his solo tour. This also goes for "Soldier's Angel" at Stevie's Wiltern show.

I am in favor of both a BN release and tour. Tour is being discussed based on Stevie's most recent comments that it would be "easy" for them to do the live shows and that there is some kind of red tape holding up the cd release.

[WildHearted]

On an album with studio EQing and such, tight harmonies are possible. Live, however, is harder to do.

We seem to have two different things - a new BN album or just a BN tour?

Well, right now it seems that they only thing that's really been mentioned by BOTH of them, is re-releaseding BN and possibly doing a show or two to promote it. (And I personally think they'd be smart to film the show for their 40th anniversary and release it alongside the CD as a special edition package or something.)

At this point talks of a real tour or a new album are still just wishful thinking.

[Peestie]

On an album with studio EQing and such, tight harmonies are possible. Live, however, is harder to do.

EQ won't do much to help tighten harmonies. Pitch correction will make them tighter. However, doing tight harmonies just means two people being able to sing in tune and in time. If both can do this then the harmonies will be perfect. I've heard plenty of live bands do unbelievably perfect harmonies so there's no reason that, if the time and effort is put in, Lindsey and Stevie couldn't do or rework their harmonies and be tight.

That said, I'd rather they just pump out the CD with a nice selection of bonus tracks and Lindsey gets back to his solo work (preferably an album before more touring)

[WildHearted]

EQ won't do much to help tighten harmonies. Pitch correction will make them tighter. However, doing tight harmonies just means two people being able to sing in tune and in time. If both can do this then the harmonies will be perfect. I've heard plenty of live bands do unbelievably perfect harmonies so there's no reason that, if the time and effort is put in, Lindsey and Stevie couldn't do or rework their harmonies and be tight.

That said, I'd rather they just pump out the CD with a nice selection of bonus tracks and Lindsey gets back to his solo work (preferably an album before more touring)

If Stevie and Lindsey spent enough time together and worked on their harmonies like I'm assuming they used to ~back in the day, then I think they are very capable of creating that same great sound they used to [albeit a few keys lower :lol:]. Because you're exactly right - it's all about timing and pitch, and you've got to have an intuitive knowledge of the person you're singing with so you can match their tone, pronunciation, inflection, everything, and stay with them.

Years in small vocal ensembles doing mostly a capella pieces taught me that.

[michelej1]

^I thought "Say Goodbye" live was sublime,

I thought that song was unbearable, with a plodding melody and a presentation that made it interminable. Oh, I whisper to you and you whisper back to me. I always say that Sunny Von Bulow came out of her coma, but heard that song and felll right back in.

The only thing that made it decent for me was the fact that Lindsey's introductions to it became intriguing as the tour was about to end. I preferred the studio version.

Even so, I think they still sound good together on SHN live. I think they can do tight harmonies.

But they can change the songs in ways we can't anticipate. Say You Love Me was the highlight of The Dance tour for me and it was different than all it's previous incarnations.

The arrangements on the old songs may be different and we might like those arrangements better.

Michele

[michelej1]

(And I personally think they'd be smart to film the show for their 40th anniversary and release it alongside the CD as a special edition package or something.)



Good idea. A one off Soundstage maybe. Get it televised. That would be a great idea and if it created enough buzz, then that's how you would go about drumming up interest for a tour afterwards. Introduce people to this duo.

Michele

[CADreaming]

I thought that song was unbearable, with a plodding melody and a presentation that made it interminable. Oh, I whisper to you and you whisper back to me. I always say that Sunny Von Bulow came out of her coma, but heard that song and felll right back in.

The only thing that made it decent for me was the fact that Lindsey's introductions to it became intriguing as the tour was about to end. I preferred the studio version.

Even so, I think they still sound good together on SHN live. I think they can do tight harmonies.

But they can change the songs in ways we can't anticipate. Say You Love Me was the highlight of The Dance tour for me and it was different than all it's previous incarnations.

The arrangements on the old songs may be different and we might like those arrangements better.

Michele


:lol: Ok, ok. I got a little carried away when I said sublime. I just meant the Soundstage version still showcased great harmony. I really don't like the sped up recording.

Agree, new arrangements are interesting as long as its on something they've done live a million times or doesn't destroy the integrity.

Stevie & Lindsey do not have a problem harmonizing anyway. They have been singing together for roughly 40 years. They know each other's nuances and they are rehearsal whores. All they need is to get back to those basics. They could be there in a relatively short time.

[bombaysaffires]

I thought that song was unbearable, with a plodding melody and a presentation that made it interminable. Oh, I whisper to you and you whisper back to me. I always say that Sunny Von Bulow came out of her coma, but heard that song and felll right back in.


Michele

Thanks, that made me really laugh out loud........

[AliceLover]

I can't picture them ever going on a "Buckingham Nicks" Tour with John and Mick still alive/medically able to perform. Mick would probably have a moo-cow if he found out they were going out sans Fleetwood Mac.