What songs do you consider to be hits from Tusk?

[MacShadowsBall]

Can't really do a poll with this album, so post/discuss the songs you feel are hits from Tusk and SHOULD NOT be in the contest.

I suppose for the actual voting, I'll have Christine and Stevie in one poll and Lindsey's in another with the winners in the final poll.

Please state clearly what songs you feel are hits as I will keep a running tab of those votes. :cool:

[WildHearted]

Sara
Tusk
Think About Me

[MacFan92]

Sara
Tusk
Think About Me

I agree completely.

[bluefox4000]

Sara
Tusk
Think About Me

I third these.

Mick

[MikeInNV]

Yeah, we pretty much gotta go with these three singles. Funny how low a profile "Think About Me" has, though. Only performed a few times in concert, not on the radio these days, and never included in compilations. Personally, I love it.

[louielouie2000]

Yeah, we pretty much gotta go with these three singles. Funny how low a profile "Think About Me" has, though. Only performed a few times in concert, not on the radio these days, and never included in compilations. Personally, I love it.

I agree with every word of this. The song is probably one of the most perfect radio singles the band ever released. I mean, it was just totally made for that format. It's a shame the song relatively flopped, and is unknown now to everyone but the most hardcore of Mac fanatics these days.

Sara and Tusk are the only real hits off Tusk, tho... with Sara being less so than the title track. They are both signature Mac songs, but Tusk is one of their definitive songs, for sure.

[elle]

Please state clearly what songs you feel are hits as I will keep a running tab of those votes. :cool:

from wikipedia:

The album gave the group two US top-ten hit singles, with the Buckingham-penned title track (US #8/UK #6), and the Stevie Nicks composition "Sara" (US #7/UK #37).

Further releases from the album, "Not That Funny" (UK only single release), "Think About Me" and "Sisters of the Moon" were less successful; however, the latter two appear in their 'single versions' on the 2002 compilation The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac.

singles - charts:

Year Single US UK AUS
1979 "Tusk" 8 6 3
1980 "Sara" 7 37 -
1980 "Think About Me" 20 - -
1980 "Sisters of the Moon" 86 - -

[MacShadowsBall]

Sara - 6
Tusk - 6
Think About Me - 4

...assuming that louie and elle are saying Think About Me shouldn't count as a hit.

Kinda a tricky album here with 20 songs and not many "radio" hits, and with this album being very popular here on the Ledge.

Good point made about Think About Me being the forgotten "hit". I like it as its one of the songs that showcase the Christine/Lindsey dynamic, a la Don't Stop/Hold Me.

[Johnny Stew]

"Think About Me" made it to the Top 20 -- not sure why it wouldn't count as a hit alongside "Tusk" and "Sara."

[elle]

"Think About Me" made it to the Top 20 -- not sure why it wouldn't count as a hit alongside "Tusk" and "Sara."

it reached #20 - so it would have to be in if you are taking top 20 or top 40 charting singles as some people were arguing for as main criteria.

[from the perspective of how known these songs are today, still kinda funny to count Think About Me as a hit, and SHN as non-hit, isn't it? :laugh:]

[elle]

[Good point made about Think About Me being the forgotten "hit". I like it as its one of the songs that showcase the Christine/Lindsey dynamic, a la Don't Stop/Hold Me.

yes, i love it too, it's a great car ride song.:]

[CADreaming]

"Think About Me" made it to the Top 20 -- not sure why it wouldn't count as a hit alongside "Tusk" and "Sara."

it reached #20 - so it would have to be in if you are taking top 20 or top 40 charting singles as some people were arguing for as main criteria.

[from the perspective of how known these songs are today, still kinda funny to count Think About Me as a hit, and SHN as non-hit, isn't it? :laugh:]

Hello. :wavey: That would be me. And, again I would say Top 40 is the industry standard.

So, "Think About Me" would qualify as a hit. Even if more people know SHN - Elle. It's not THAT funny is it?!? :laugh: :) :xoxo:

[MacFan92]

Yeah, we pretty much gotta go with these three singles. Funny how low a profile "Think About Me" has, though. Only performed a few times in concert, not on the radio these days, and never included in compilations. Personally, I love it.

Funnily enough, I actually heard it on the radio in Denny's a little over a year ago. I was surprised yet pleased.

[elle]

:nod:Funnily enough, I actually heard it on the radio in Denny's a little over a year ago. I was surprised yet pleased.

that's really cool!


It's not THAT funny is it?!? :laugh: :) :xoxo:

yup, that's where i was going with that :):nod::xoxo:

and apparently somebody said in unexpected FM that they heard not that funny on some store radio too :cool:

[CADreaming]

and apparently somebody said in unexpected FM that they heard not that funny on some store radio too :cool:

That is cool! :thumbsup:

[HomerMcvie]

Yeah, we pretty much gotta go with these three singles. Funny how low a profile "Think About Me" has, though. Only performed a few times in concert, not on the radio these days, and never included in compilations. Personally, I love it.

I agree, too. Think About Me is in my top 10 FM songs. It makes every "my hits" compilation. It's just plain pop rock perfection.
"Every every ONCE in awhiiiiillllle".

The most magical of FM singles, IMO, were the Chris/Lindsey duets. Think About Me, Hold Me, Don't Stop(even though y'all hate it).

[On Ice]

I share the love for Think About Me and wonder if it would be a different story if it had been released as the first single. That maybe would have taken a bit of the edge of Tusk when it first sent shockwaves over the radio in '79. I'm really surprised that Sisters of the Moon didn't do better as a single but by mid 1980, Tusk had run of out of steam despite the long tour to support it. The world wasn't ready for the brilliance of this album back in '79, but I'm not really sure which era it should've landed in, maybe right about now :)

[Hawkeye]

Now I LOVE SOTM. It's in my top 3 mac songs ever. But I can't help but feel they should've went with Angel as the 4th single

[elle]

Now I LOVE SOTM. It's in my top 3 mac songs ever. But I can't help but feel they should've went with Angel as the 4th single

i love both SOTM and Angel. in fact other than Sara, i really love all SN songs on Tusk (very different for me - there is just a handful of her non-tusk songs that i like).

... and other than SMAP and TAFE, i LOVE all LB songs on Tusk.

... and i also love Think About Me and agree with several people who said that CM songs with strong LB vocal presence are all really enjoyable to listen to. other CM songs on Tusk are just too slow for me. i probably should give them a chance but i never had the patience so far.

[HomerMcvie]

... and i also love Think About Me and agree with several people who said that CM songs with strong LB vocal presence are all really enjoyable to listen to. other CM songs on Tusk are just too slow for me. i probably should give them a chance but i never had the patience so far.

I too love pretty much all of Lindsey's songs on Tusk. Even the slower ones, like SMAP, are musically interesting enough, to hold me.

But Storms? Zzzzzz. Beautiful Child? Almost as sleepy. Seems to drag on forever(both of them, actually). I pretty much feel the same way about Honey Hi, and Never Forget, but AT LEAST they are short and sweet. It's one thing to nap for 3 minutes....5 minutes is another story.:lol:

[MacShadowsBall]

So are we going with Sara, Tusk, and Think About Me as the hits?

[Angel69]

I share the love for Think About Me and wonder if it would be a different story if it had been released as the first single. That maybe would have taken a bit of the edge of Tusk when it first sent shockwaves over the radio in '79. :)


Think About Me should def have been the first single from the album. It had that signature make sound but still sounded fresh and edgy. Sara should have come next and then Tusk. Then Angel opening the door for I Know I'm Not Wrong.

[David]

I'm glad "Tusk" was the lead single. People loved it, & it helped build buzz around the band that stretched beyond the kids who listened to FM radio. The whole tie-in with USC & the Trojan Marching Band was brilliant (aside from the musical aspect) because the song became so famous at the Coliseum for all the USC home games, when it was played as the fist-pumping theme whenever the team made a great play.

By the way, have you all seen the Coliseum video of the USC-Arizona State halftime show in October 1980 when Lindsey, Stevie, & Mick went onto the field & performed "Tusk" with the marching band? It's probably on YouTube by now.

The fact that the Rolling Stone critics (Rolling Stone was a music magazine in 1980, kiddies) voted "Tusk" the best single of 1980 just made the whole year extra special.

I think "Sara" was a great choice for the second single. Even though Christine is next in line, I don't hear any stand-out singles from any of the writers beyond "Tusk" & "Sara" because the album just isn't a singles album like the white album or "Rumours." I think of "Tusk" more like Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" or Bowie's "Low."

[Johnny Stew]

[from the perspective of how known these songs are today, still kinda funny to count Think About Me as a hit, and SHN as non-hit, isn't it? :laugh:]

Well, not really... "Second Hand News" never charted on Billboard, or elsewhere. It didn't "hit" the charts. It's certainly a well-known radio & concert staple however. As are "The Chain," "Gold Dust Woman" and others. Not being considered a hit doesn't take away from how memorable they are.

[kimmersxa]

i'm pretty sure this song wasn't a huge hit, but i effing love it and it's sexy as hell: "Brown Eyes." i feel like that song is so under-rated, it's a shame i can't find live performances of it.

[vivfox]

i'm pretty sure this song wasn't a huge hit, but i effing love it and it's sexy as hell: "Brown Eyes." i feel like that song is so under-rated, it's a shame i can't find live performances of it.


Listen to Mirage Tour tapes. You'll find it there.

[vivfox]

Think About Me should def have been the first single from the album. It had that signature make sound but still sounded fresh and edgy. Sara should have come next and then Tusk. Then Angel opening the door for I Know I'm Not Wrong.


I don't know if you were a fan of the band in 1979 or if you were even born yet but I must tell you the anticipation for that album was so immense. This was the followup to Rumours! Tusk was the perfect lead off single. I'll never forget the first day they played in on the radio in Sept. of '79 & my jaw almost dropped to the floor. It was so bizarre yet awesome at the same time. Everyone who heard it was like WTF, but in a cool way.

[kimmersxa]

Listen to Mirage Tour tapes. You'll find it there.

thanks!!! :D

[elle]

Well, not really... "Second Hand News" never charted on Billboard, or elsewhere. It didn't "hit" the charts. It's certainly a well-known radio & concert staple however. As are "The Chain," "Gold Dust Woman" and others. Not being considered a hit doesn't take away from how memorable they are.

:nod: when you put it that way. :laugh: SHN, GDW and The Chain were never released as [classic] singles and didn't hit the charts, but are still hitting various air-waves on most classic rock stations. unlike some of the chart-hitting songs.

see to me, this board is fun and play, not anything serious. so i don't really think we need to define what is a hit according to some billboard or music business definition or playbook. here what we want goes. so i think what MSB is doing now is a good way to go - he's collecting the votes of people that might be interested in his polls and selecting the songs according to the feedback he gets.:nod: :wavey:

[MacShadowsBall]

see to me, this board is fun and play, not anything serious. so i don't really think we need to define what is a hit according to some billboard or music business definition or playbook. here what we want goes. so i think what MSB is doing now is a good way to go - he's collecting the votes of people that might be interested in his polls and selecting the songs according to the feedback he gets.:nod: :wavey:

Thanks, elle. We Ledgies make the rules and play by them! It's all really good discussion, too. :cool:

I still say the songs that aren't featured live anymore kinda have a disadvantage as far as the perception of a "hit".

[CADreaming]

:nod: when you put it that way. :laugh: SHN, GDW and The Chain were never released as [classic] singles and didn't hit the charts, but are still hitting various air-waves on most classic rock stations. unlike some of the chart-hitting songs.

see to me, this board is fun and play, not anything serious. so i don't really think we need to define what is a hit according to some billboard or music business definition or playbook. here what we want goes. so i think what MSB is doing now is a good way to go - he's collecting the votes of people that might be interested in his polls and selecting the songs according to the feedback he gets.:nod: :wavey:

Thanks, elle. We Ledgies make the rules and play by them! It's all really good discussion, too. :cool:

I still say the songs that aren't featured live anymore kinda have a disadvantage as far as the perception of a "hit".

Gee, I didn't know we were just making it up as we went along and not concerned with what was really a hit. I didn't know the Ledgie rules were strictly 'opinion' based instead of having any legitimate reason.

If that's the case, pretty much the entire FM/BN era catalogue is a "hit" with me, with few exceptions. Just because I like 'em!

[elle]

Gee, I didn't know we were just making it up as we went along and not concerned with what was really a hit.

:laugh: i knew you would have to say something! :xoxo:

see, it's actually still good here with MSB at least partly playing it democratically and by some rules.

over on lindsey board we are running the polls all over the place, and selecting the songs for any individual poll in more of a benevolent dictator kind of way. :angel:

[CADreaming]

:laugh: i knew you would have to say something! :xoxo:

see, it's actually still good here with MSB at least partly playing it democratically and by some rules.

Seriously! But, I wasn't trying to be a butt about it -- I thought we were trying to legitimately determine the facts! :laugh:

over on lindsey board we are running the polls all over the place,and in more of a benevolent dictator kind of way. :angel:

Well, what other kind of way would you run a Lindsey "His Middle Name is Dictator" Buckingham poll?? ;)

[elle]

Well, what other kind of way would you run a Lindsey "His Middle Name is Dictator" Buckingham poll?? ;)

:thumbsup: yeah, i was just thinking as i wrote that how fitting that actually is! :lol:

[MacShadowsBall]

Gee, I didn't know we were just making it up as we went along and not concerned with what was really a hit. I didn't know the Ledgie rules were strictly 'opinion' based instead of having any legitimate reason.

I'm just letting everybody determine what they feel is a hit and shouldn't be in this contest. A "hit" is in the eye of the beholder, with most everyone having varying opinions. ;)

:laugh: i knew you would have to say something! :xoxo:

see, it's actually still good here with MSB at least partly playing it democratically and by some rules.

over on lindsey board we are running the polls all over the place, and selecting the songs for any individual poll in more of a benevolent dictator kind of way. :angel:

Yeah, I've altered my original plans alot versus what I wanted.

I've tried following your polls, but I get kinda lost sometimes! Lots of songs with tight voting results.

Seriously! But, I wasn't trying to be a butt about it -- I thought we were trying to legitimately determine the facts! :laugh:

Well, what other kind of way would you run a Lindsey "His Middle Name is Dictator" Buckingham poll?? ;)

Have I mentioned how much I love the Ledge and you guys! Like I said earlier, it's all good discussion. :cool:

[CADreaming]

I'm just letting everybody determine what they feel is a hit and shouldn't be in this contest. A "hit" is in the eye of the beholder, with most everyone having varying opinions. ;)



Yeah, I've altered my original plans alot versus what I wanted.

I've tried following your polls, but I get kinda lost sometimes! Lots of songs with tight voting results.



Have I mentioned how much I love the Ledge and you guys! Like I said earlier, it's all good discussion. :cool:

Thanks! I feel the same -- sorry about not having a clear understanding about the determining factors. I probably still would go by my stringent rules myself - but I understand how/why others (like elle) feel non-singles were "hits" to them or to the fan base.

[MacShadowsBall]

Thanks! I feel the same -- sorry about not having a clear understanding about the determining factors. I probably still would go by my stringent rules myself - but I understand how/why others (like elle) feel non-singles were "hits" to them or to the fan base.

No problem. :wavey:

[elle]

I probably still would go by my stringent rules myself

:lol: benevolent dictatorship yet again ;):angel:

but I understand how/why others (like elle) feel non-singles were "hits" to them or to the fan base.

just to clarify my view - i actually don't think these songs are necessarily hits to me or the fan base. i think in that case the song selection would again be completely different.

by "hits" i guess i think of the most popular songs in general, over the years - whether that would be because these songs were being released as singles that charted high, or being [over]played on the radio, tv or in public places over the years, and stood the test of time (worked themselves into a fabric as LB would say).

the songs that are always played during FM concerts but are never played on any classic radio stations or public places or as tv tracks (like ISA) would not count as hits in my mind, b/c they are not known by general public, however much an avarage FM fan would know them.

the way i think of a "hit" is something along the lines like somebody said over at the pre-rumours forum:


albatross version that was released as a single was not a hit
albatross version that became hugely popular and maybe even the most known FM song was a huge hit - even though it may have never charted as a single


similarly, if you look at lindsey's holiday road which is arguably his biggest solo hit, when it was released as a single it's highest chart position was only 80-something. but with time HR became a huge hit, and almost everybody knows that song (even if they don't know who sings it!) and you can still see that stupid video on VH1 to this day.

[vivfox]

albatross version that was released as a single was not a hit
albatross version that became hugely popular and maybe even the most known FM song was a huge hit - even though it may have never charted as a single


I love Albatross but was unaware there are two different versions. Can someone please pm me the two?

I'm also interested in any live versions anyone has. Those can be posted publicly because they are not commercially released.

[elle]

I love Albatross but was unaware there are two different versions. Can someone please pm me the two?

I'm also interested in any live versions anyone has. Those can be posted publicly because they are not commercially released.

i might have misunderstood but that's what i got from this post http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=1040678&postcount=2. i wouldn't be surprised if there are several released albatross versions though.

[CADreaming]

:lol: benevolent dictatorship yet again ;):angel:

:laugh: I guess?

just to clarify my view - i actually don't think these songs are necessarily hits to me or the fan base. i think in that case the song selection would again be completely different.

by "hits" i guess i think of the most popular songs in general, over the years - whether that would be because these songs were being released as singles that charted high, or being [over]played on the radio, tv or in public places over the years, and stood the test of time (worked themselves into a fabric as LB would say).

the songs that are always played during FM concerts but are never played on any classic radio stations or public places or as tv tracks (like ISA) would not count as hits in my mind, b/c they are not known by general public, however much an avarage FM fan would know them.

the way i think of a "hit" is something along the lines like somebody said over at the pre-rumours forum:


albatross version that was released as a single was not a hit
albatross version that became hugely popular and maybe even the most known FM song was a huge hit - even though it may have never charted as a single


Elle, that was confusing as hell... :laugh:

Albatross is not a good example to use for me. I know the song but I didn't know there were different recorded versions.


similarly, if you look at lindsey's holiday road which is arguably his biggest solo hit, when it was released as a single it's highest chart position was only 80-something. but with time HR became a huge hit, and almost everybody knows that song (even if they don't know who sings it!) and you can still see that stupid video on VH1 to this day.

This one's easy -- HR is popular with a crowd -- because they remember it from the movie!!

[Angel69]

I don't know if you were a fan of the band in 1979 or if you were even born yet but I must tell you the anticipation for that album was so immense. This was the followup to Rumours! Tusk was the perfect lead off single. I'll never forget the first day they played in on the radio in Sept. of '79 & my jaw almost dropped to the floor. It was so bizarre yet awesome at the same time. Everyone who heard it was like WTF, but in a cool way.


Oh I was a fan of the band at the time. Saw them on the Tusk tour both nights at Madison Square Garden. I bought Tusk the day it came out and cut school to go to a friends house to listen to it.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh I was a fan of the band at the time. Saw them on the Tusk tour both nights at Madison Square Garden. I bought Tusk the day it came out and cut school to go to a friends house to listen to it.
What format?

I bought Tusk the day it came out, on 8-track!! I couldn't wait to get home, and shove it in the player, alongside the "8-track shim":laugh:(was I the only one who had sh*tty 8-track players, that you had to wedge something in beside the tape, to get it to play properly?).:o


I was pretty shocked by the sound, which of course had little in common with Rumours, but this was at the height of my fandom, so nothing could stop me from falling in love with it!

[MikeInNV]

I couldn't wait to get home, and shove it in the player, alongside the "8-track shim":laugh:(was I the only one who had sh*tty 8-track players, that you had to wedge something in beside the tape, to get it to play properly?).:o

I forgot all about that! Yes, I totally remember folding up a piece of paper and wedging it underneath the 8-track to hold it in the right position. Hilarious!

[HomerMcvie]

I forgot all about that! Yes, I totally remember folding up a piece of paper and wedging it underneath the 8-track to hold it in the right position. Hilarious!

Wonder why that format died? :lol:

[MikeInNV]

Wonder why that format died? :lol:

I also remember that some of records would skip, but I could sometimes prevent that if I put a nickel on the arm of the needle....the extra weight seemed to stop some of the skipping.

[HejiraNYC]

I also remember that some of records would skip, but I could sometimes prevent that if I put a nickel on the arm of the needle....the extra weight seemed to stop some of the skipping.

The thing that drove me batty about LPs was the paranoia over wearing out the grooves and/or wearing out the diamond stylus of the tonearm cartridge. I would force myself to ration my playing of certain albums because of this. And OMG, I can't listen to some songs these days without thinking back on where I would always hear a loud pop, or where I would have to nudge the needle so that it wouldn't get hung up playing the same groove over and over. Ugh. As such, I truly do not understand this newfound (hipster) interest in collecting vinyl LPs and such. There is a reason why everything went digital!

[TrueFaith77]

the singles

[MacShadowsBall]

the singles

Yeah, it seems fairly definite that Sara, Tusk, and Think About Me will count as hits and not be in the contest.

I plan for the first poll to have Christine and Stevie's songs and the second one to have Lindsey's songs. Then the top songs from those two polls compete in the final Tusk poll. :cool:

[vivfox]

the singles


SOTM was a single but it wasn't a hit. I heard it on the radio only once.

[HomerMcvie]

SOTM was a single but it wasn't a hit. I heard it on the radio only once.

IMO, SOTM is a great song, but the production just took too long, for the song to get rocking(as in "radio friendly").

[Angel69]

What format?

I bought Tusk the day it came out, on 8-track!! I couldn't wait to get home, and shove it in the player, alongside the "8-track shim":laugh:(was I the only one who had sh*tty 8-track players, that you had to wedge something in beside the tape, to get it to play properly?).:o


I was pretty shocked by the sound, which of course had little in common with Rumours, but this was at the height of my fandom, so nothing could stop me from falling in love with it!



I bought the album.